Penguins, Canucks live to skate another day; Senators tie it up with Rangers

Sidney Crosby

Fans in Philadelphia’s Wells Fargo Center had a pregame message for Pittsburgh captain Sidney Crosby. Didn’t seem to bother him a whole lot…
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With their season on the line, and playing in the enemy building full of rabid, mostly obnoxious fans, the Pittsburgh Penguins showed a ton of character Wednesday night with a 10-3 win over the Philadelphia Flyers. The win sends the series back to Pittsburgh for Game 5 on Friday, with the Flyers still one win from eliminating the Pens.

In Los Angeles, they too facing elimination, the Vancouver Canucks beat the Kings 3-1 to force Game 5 back in Vancouver.
And in Ottawa, Kyle Turris scored 2:42 into overtime to give the game Ottawa Senators a 3-2 victory over the New York Rangers, knotting their Eastern quarterfinal at 2-2.
Daily suspension roundup: Serial offender Raffi Torres of the Phoenix Coyotes was banned indefinitely for his cheap shot of Chicago’s Marian Hossa Tuesday, Torres’s hearing with NHL disciplinarian Brendan Shanahan scheduled for Friday.

330 Comments

  1. ZepFan2 says:

    test

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  2. Boomer says:

    Cool video called “what nhl players really think”, Ovie’s answers are awesome lol
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD1_OZ-hjUM&feature=relmfu
    There’s a link on the right about headshots and enforcers that’s also pretty interesting.

  3. NCRhabsfan says:

    So Quenneville got fined 10K for saying the refereeing was a disgrace. It speaks volumes that the NHL fined him FOUR times what they fined Shea Weber for stating something that was perfectly obvious to the entire world. It was disgraceful that the 4 on-ice officials failed to make a call on the Torres hit. The NHL has the worst officiating of any professional league in the world. This was just a new standard for futility. But apparently it is FOUR times more important that no one hurt the referees feelings than it is to prevent a player from having his head bashed in. This is the most bush league on the planet.

    • Lizardking89 says:

      Amen man well said. The officiating seems to get worse every season. This is with 2 refs on the ice! Makes you wonder how they train these guys and where they get them from.

    • Trisomy 21 says:

      2500 is the maximum fine a player can receive. It’s something the NHLPA has set up.

      I still agree though, it’s bullplop

  4. aj says:

    (This is a type test. I just want to check whether I can still post here at HIO. Pls ignore this.)

  5. Timo says:

    Man, was it ever boring hockey tonight. Only my eternal hate for Boston made that game a bit exciting (mostly cause the thugs lost) but other than that… boooooring. Ever since all the journalists in white tennis shorts started talking about how violent these playoffs’s been all games turned into a snooze fest.

  6. smiler2729 says:

    Bit too quiet here…

    So how’s Halak doing in the StL-SJ series?

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  7. habstrinifan says:

    Washington is quietly jelling and coming together as a team. And WOW what a save in the dying seconds.

  8. habstrinifan says:

    Thank you poster Tom for setting me straight re my ignorance of the fact that Crawford speaks French fluently. Then it’s done. We have our new coach. Our new GM. And our first round pick. LOL!

    • Stormin says:

      I would not say Marc Crawford speaks fluent french, more like battle hearty frenglish but doable, he would make for some hard or maybe fun to listen to french pressers though.

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      • habstrinifan says:

        OK now I am confused. Tom Nickle had posted that Crawford spoke fluent French. Oh Well! Back to the drwing board. Think I’ll put in a call to Bob Hartley.

        • Duracell3 says:

          Not that I have any interest in Crawford, but he learned when he became the Nordique coach, for only a year. It’s not great but certainly acceptable. Not even as good as Gainey’s though. However, you could probably learn to say everything JM said in his conferences in a week. I don’t think that will be the thing that gets him in or out of the job though.

          • Stormin says:

            I’d say his french is as bad or good depends how you look at it as Larry Robinson’s,

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  9. 24 Cups says:

    Cindy Crawford.

    • Stormin says:

      Mikkel Boedker has scored Back to back very ugly OT game winners on Cindy Crawford. Man there has been some ugly goaltending in this years playoffs.

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    • boing007 says:

      Mmm. Cindy Crawford. Nice furniture. Nice legs.

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  10. Stormin says:

    Horrible goal let in as PG would say Mr Crawford

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  11. EricInStL says:

    The Semin goal was tipped by Chara

    • Stormin says:

      That would explain his reaction, soon as Semin’s shot whizzed past him Chara seemed to know it was in

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  12. Just A Guy says:

    Chicago just tied it up with ’bout a minute left to go in the 3rd, should be interesting, admittedly I was watching the Wash-Bos game.

  13. EricInStL says:

    Chicago rewarded for taking it to Phoenix

  14. Habsolutely says:

    nice save by Holtby. Could the Caps have the goalie they have coveted for so long?

    • TomNickle says:

      He’s inconsistent. Shows flashes for week long stretches.

      Better hope they win a couple more quickly before he turns into a pumpkin.

      • Habsolutely says:

        To be honest, I never watch Caps games (unless they’re playing the Habs) so I don’t know much about their roster.

        • TomNickle says:

          Look out for them if Vokoun gets healthy and/or Holtby somehow manages to stay hot.

          They’re fairly deep at forward and on defense, they have star power and high end skill and they can play any type of game.

  15. TomNickle says:

    Matt Hendricks channelling his inner Carbonneau.

    Edit: And Holtby channelling his inner Roy.

  16. Un Canadien errant says:

    Double post.

  17. Habsolutely says:

    Seguin throwing a tantrum.

  18. Un Canadien errant says:

    I’ve posted earlier how we should take the reports that Mikhail Grigorenko is lazy with a grain of salt, since these are not attributed to a specific scout, but rather to anonymous sources. I explained how it is common practice in the NFL to start rumours about certain prospects to engineer a fall of that player right into a certain team’s lap.

    Today, we get word that Robert Griffin III, who is projected to go #2 overall in next week’s draft, is selfish.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/oh-look-robert-griffin-iii-selfish-streak-now-170812742.html

    Suddenly the warts are being discovered. This about a player that everybody agreed was a smart, articulate, charming young man from a good family, the antithesis of your Terrell Owens or Jamarcus Russell.

    It seems weird that this is coming out when there is practically no reason or benefit to anyone, since he is guaranteed to be picked no later than #2 next Thursday.

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    • HabFan in Edmonton says:

      It looks like Grigorenko disappeared in the playoffs, I think some Hab fans are too enthralled with him because he is a center and he is big. It reminds me of several years ago when the Oilers had the #4 and #6 picks in the draft. With the #4 big pick they took Jason Bonsignore (big lazy and talented), with the #6 pick they took Ryan Smyth. You are probably asking Jason who ? Habs can’t afford to make a mistake here, they need a forward and I like Forsberg.

      • Habsolutely says:

        I agree 100%. Problem is, unless you are the oracle at Delphi, nobody knows what the right choice is. Hindsight is always 20/20 concerning draft picks. When it comes down to it, you have to hope your scouts are right and roll the dice. And even then there are mitigating factors like injuries and such that can completely effect the outcome of your initial draft selection. Sometimes luck is a factor in drafting as well.

        • TomNickle says:

          Some people don’t like to acknowledge the degree to which luck comes into play.

          Lucic is the perfect example. Big but very slow, medical problems, very average to below average skill set and he winds up developing strength that improves his shot immensely and allows him to protect the puck with his body better than most. Oh yeah, and he can be physical too.

          • D Mex says:

            I’m told that, when Lucic and the Giants used to visit Kelowna, he would kick the snot out of at least one Rocket every time. So that side of his ‘ skill set ‘ was well known before he was drafted .

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      • Stev.R says:

        Disappeared? 8 points in 8 games? Wasn’t a dominant showing but I wouldn’t say he disappeared. And Forsberg is garbage.

  19. Stormin says:

    This game would be more interesting if they suspended Aliya Jasmine over the ice for color commentary, or even in Pierre Mcguire’s cubby hole, but i guess to much of a distraction for the teams

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  20. FanCritic says:

    I like the skill and the toughness teams are exhibiting in the playoffs but I don’t like the dirty stuff that has to be eliminated from hockey before someone gets killed. if Mr. Molson and Mr. Savard is watching they had better build a skillful, tough team if they ever want to win a cup. you don’t have to look any further than the Philly – Pitts series. get rid of the dirty stuff and hockey played like philly and pitts would be great….

  21. Stormin says:

    Brodeur responds to tough outing with a shutout, typical Martin Brodeur one of the best of all time, and easy to cheer for him good all around guy.
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  22. Quenneville gets a $10k fine for criticizing the refs — 4 times the fine to Weber for trying to drive Zetterberg’s face through the glass. Tells you sonething about the league’s priorities…

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • Habsolutely says:

      Have to be fair and include the PA in some of that blame. I’m sure the NHL would raise the fines if the players association would agree to raise the maximum amount in the CBA from $2,500. The players association exists for the sole purpose of making the players as much money as possible, they are just as much to blame for the state the NHL is in. IMHO of course.

      • D Mex says:

        TSN (Dreger et al) reporting at 23:30 eastern time the players want the fine limit to go up to ensure buy-in, guess we’ll see come CBA time.

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        • Habsolutely says:

          it will still be a joke though. the PA will make an attempt at damage control and let the maximum fine go up to say $5000.00. Which will still be a complete joke when you factor in the amount these guys earn.

  23. smiler2729 says:

    Boring games tonight… no violence, lol.

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    • Stormin says:

      Sad but true

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  24. Bill says:

    CBC showing those super-fast wrist-shot highlights. Semin’s was over 70 mph. Jeez. Turris’s winner last night was 65 mph, about .75 seconds between his release and it hitting the back of the net, yet some people were saying Lundqvist “should have had it”, haha. Lotta geniuses out there.

    EDIT: Holy what a lonely thread. I feel like I just teleported to an abandoned planet. This wordpress site really effing blows.

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    • Old Bald Bird says:

      For what is, I assume, the most popular Hab site, it is sure run poorly on the technical side.

      Lundqvist likes to play deep. Maybe he would have had it otherwise?

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I’m here Bill, don’t fret.

      I’ve been on a practical sabbatical, the series have been really difficult to watch, goon hockey at its worst.

      Funny how when the refs called all the ‘cheap’ penalties last night in the Pens-Flyers game, the talent was allowed to shine through and the Pens dominated. Loved how Evgeni Malkin was called for the nut-job he did on Sean Couturier, and how Rinaldo got two minors and a game for his assault. I could quibble that he should have had three minors for a crosscheck, an elbow and then roughing/punch, but this is a vast improvement over the prior anything goes as long as no one is hospitalized mindset the refs have had so far.
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  25. Habsolutely says:

    Semin just blew that one by Thomas.

  26. Habsolutely says:

    hahaha, Ted Leonsis, the Caps owner posted this on his blog yesterday:

    “We can’t let the officials play a role in our game planning – we need to remain disciplined and remember that the defending Stanley Cup champs will always get the benefit of the doubt”

    Not long after it was posted it disappeared and was replaced by something else. It’s really kinda crazy how Bettman and his gang are so militant about controlling criticism about the league. What are they so worried about, people learning the truth?

  27. Un Canadien errant says:

    Does anyone know what this is about?

    from: http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hockey/le-canadien/201204/12/01-4514574-serge-savard-sest-il-renouvele.php

    “On a aussi beaucoup reproché à Réjean Houle d’avoir échangé Patrick Roy au Colorado, mais Savard avait une entente en poche avec l’Avalanche. Il aurait reçu le gardien Stéphane Fiset et l’attaquant Owen Nolan plutôt que Jocelyn Thibault, Martin Rucinsky et Andrei Kovalenko. Nolan a connu seulement deux saisons de plus de 30 buts en 13 ans après son départ du Colorado.”

    According to this article from La Presse, Serge Savard had an offer from the Avalanche for Patrick Roy, before he got fired I guess, that would have netted Stéphane Fiset and Owen Nolan. Or am I reading this right?

    The article’s main thrust is that while it may comfort some fans that Mr. Savard is back on board the organization, he did make some doozies and seemed out of steam at the end of his reign. It recounts the well-known mistakes of trading Chris Chelios and a second-rounder for Denis Savard, as well as trading Éric Desjardins, John Leclair and Gilbert Dionne for Dr. Mark Recchi and a third round pick.

    I have never heard the rumour that he ‘almost’ traded Patrick Roy to the Avalanche, if this rumour even exists or has substance. More to the point, the fact that he didn’t pull the trigger on this trade is a feather in his cap rather than something he can be reproached on, right?

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    • Bill says:

      That story came out shortly after the Roy deal for Thibault went down. He was right to turn it down, but it was better than the deal he actually made!

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      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Don’t remember that at all, or I never heard it. Tell me more. Was Serge Savard shopping Patrick, was there discontent before Réjean Houle took over? Was this a classic case of the Canadiens’ never-ending chase for the elusive rugged scoring winger, where we routinely overpay for the Ryan Walters, Lucien Deblois or Perry Turnbulls of the world, usually when they’re on the downslope of their careers? Because I would have like Owen Nolan on my team, but certainly not at that cost.

        Or was this a case of the Avalanche approaching the Canadiens with a serious offer that was rebuffed?

        I remember Réjean Houle crowing during the post-trade press conference that he had insisted on Jocelyn Thibault, how he felt he was pretty shrewd about that, that he had been inflexible on that point. I thought that was nonsensical at the time, but maybe the fact that the Avs would have started negotiations from the last point of discussion brings a little bit of context to Mr. Houle’s insane squawking.

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  28. boing007 says:

    The current edition of the Washington Capitals is a boring team to watch.

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    • PatMac says:

      Rejean Houle made the trade that sent Roy to Colorado, not Serge Savard.

      Edit: meant to post above in reply to Bill

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        If you read the article, it states that before Mr. Houle took over, there had been negotiations between the Avalanche and the Canadiens, but a deal was never consummated. I interpret that as Mr. Savard being wise in not trading away a Hall of Fame goaltender for a hill of beans, and the eventual trade as the opening salvo in the Réjean Houle Reign of Error.

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      • Bill says:

        Yeah, I didn’t write that well.

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  29. Stormin says:

    If you all have not seen this it is a classic shanahan bit hilarious
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKOywERtbig
    someone did post earlier but for those who have not seen it it is HILARIOUS
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  30. Adidess says:

    Hahaha, I’d love to know how embarrassed Boone feels about his liveblogging from last night :-)

    I missed the games and the liveblog (yeah, was in a cave). Seeing how wacky some of these final scores were, I thought I’d check out the liveblog to try get a feel for the flow of these games.

    Hilarious stuff! Some of the pronouncements Boone kept making in the first period about both Pit-Phi and NY-Ott games were not just premature, but spectacularly wrong.

    There should be a rule in liveblogging that says if you declare the game over 3 times in favor of one team, that team can’t end up losing by 7 goals. If that happens you should jsut refrain from ever predicting anything again, and not just hockey wins and losses, for the rest of your life/career.

    Jokes. It was knee-jerk blogging at its finest…

    • Stormin says:

      He has watched to many Habs games where more often than not when they are behind it is over. But these playoffs have proven how interesting Hockey can be with some great teams, comebacks, late game goals and especially overtime in the playoffs.

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    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Mr. Boone is a calumnist columnist and is paid to provide opinion. He sure did last night in his blog. All that he is obligated to do now is eat a healthy plate of crow, and then dive right back in with more fearless predictions.

      I much prefer reading solid predictions on this site than mealy-mouthed posts sprinkled with ‘may’s and ‘potentially’s and the awful and trite ‘time will tell’. ‘Time will tell’? Of course time will tell. Stand by your prediction/opinion, defend it with fact and logic, and then come back and gloat when proven right, or prostrate yourself and explain why you were wrong if not.

      Oh, and no IMHO’s please. We know it’s your opinion, no need to point it out. State your facts, provide the source if it’s not obvious where you got them, but there’s no need to tell us your opinion is your opinion, humble though it may be.

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  31. punkster says:

    Chara caught looking.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  32. otter649 says:

    Wonder if there was a delayed penalty call on Ference who took out Ovechkin with a cross body check (interfence) before Caps first goal……

  33. HardHabits says:

    Totally like, totally. Like.

    http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=35&id=171580

    I am glad they started showing highlights otherwise I wouldn’t have heard a word she said as my mind would have been wandering. A bit.

    And if you witness the same Captain Morgan rum ad as I sat through you might share in my sentiment which is to not buy that brand next time I go to the liquor store. Aaaarrgh matey my ass. I’ll take the Jamaican over-proof thank you very much. Ja mon.

    • Clay says:

      I replied to you on the cherry thread, in case you missed it. I know you didn’t just ignore it ;)

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      • HardHabits says:

        Ideally I’d like to see the NHL follow the same rules as the IIHF with regards to fighting and head shots but the NHL is far away from that. That is International Hockey. The NHL is a much more Neanderthal game. The smaller ice surfaces have always made the difference. The area the NHL should have moved to make the game better would have been to widen the ice surfaces but that would cut into revenues.

        I don’t like the instigator rule. More than anything it has created the goon or the one-dimensional heavy weight whose only real skill is pugilism.

    • Bill says:

      I can’t post it for some reason, but check out her “save the boobs” PSA on youtube or somewhere. Search Aliya Jasmine Sovani boobs, should do it.

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  34. ZepFan2 says:

    Levon Helm dies at the age of 71

    I guess he’s up on cripple creek now. :sad:

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  35. HardHabits says:

    HIO Lexicon: Lesson #26

    Advanced statistic: A nerd’s analysis of a jock’s performance.

  36. Bripro says:

    And one last note before supper for those interested:
    (and if not already posted)
    Canada defeated Russia today, 4-2, at the U-18 to advance to the semi-final game on friday against the U.S..
    Go Canada!

    • D Mex says:

      Reference your Q below re : Lucic on Miller, I believe the ” official response ” is that the GMs did not request the goalies be protected until after Miller was mugged.
      Therefore, it would follow that goalies were fair game then, but now now. Shanahan logic.

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      • Habfan10912 says:

        No sir D Mex. Had to do with which team was the offender. The league is corrupt which has now led to players, officials, and club executives confused.

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  37. Bripro says:

    Joel Quenneville has been fined $10,000 for criticizing the officials.
    Asham is suspended 4 games for his goonish cross-check to Schenn.
    Andrew Shaw is suspended 3 games for his charge on goalie Mike Smith, using the rule where “the goalie is not fair game”, and rightly so….which begs the question, what about Lucic on Miller?
    And Backstrom gets a game for hitting Peverly.
    For that one, I think Backstrom deserves a medal, or a board glass!

    • punkster says:

      Wait, $10,000 for a few words, and $2500 grabbing a guy by the back of the head and smashing his head into the glass?

      Ya, Shanahananigans and the league got that one right.

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      • Bripro says:

        Shan the Sham is guided by Daddy Campbell.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Who’s guided by Bettman who’s guided by Jacobs

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          • Habsolutely says:

            the fish is rotten from the head down.

          • Jim Edson says:

            Who’s guided by Cam Neely as Jacobs doesn’t understand anything about hockey and putting in the fix.

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            They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

            ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

          • boing007 says:

            Sounds like the Old Testament. A lot of begetting and begots.
            Ex: “Abraham begot Isaac”
            And this jewel: “Men often father children but don’t recognize them”

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      • HabFab says:

        $2500 maximum fine that can be given a player under the CBA…blame the lawyers!

    • JohnBellyful says:

      Coaches and players should know by now that badmouthing will ding you in the wallet every time.
      With good reason. You hurt a guy physically, that guy’s gonna get better eventually. Maybe not 100 per cent but what’s perfect in this world?
      But you hurt somebody’s feelings, that pain stays with the victim the rest of his life. It’s more than emotional scars, some wounds never heal. You become damaged goods. Virtually unemployable. At risk of ending up in the NHL head office.

  38. rogieshan says:

    I know GMs hire their own staff, but does the fact that Larry Carriere is still standing indicates:

    A) He is in the running for the permanent GM position.
    B) Geoff Molson has promised to retain him within the organization even after a new GM is hired.
    C) The GM job could be run by a committee, with Carriere representing the Francophone voice.

    • TomNickle says:

      You won’t have a committee.

      I think that he is definitely being considered for the full time role but your second option while possible is unlikely. Much more likely that Carrierre saw a very hefty raise from the time Gauthier was fired and will continue to get the increased salary until the new GM is named.

      • rogieshan says:

        I’m curious because the Leafs under Burke have Dave Nonis, Dave Poulin, Rick Dudley and Claude Loiselle as his assistants, with Cliff Fletcher working as special advisor. If Julian BriseBois, a capologist with a legal background, is indeed the front runner, then wouldn’t Molson/Savard consider surrounding him with an experienced supporting staff?

        • punkster says:

          How’s that working out for the Leafs so far?

          ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • rogieshan says:

            Oh no, I’m not suggesting the Habs should emulate the Leafs. I’m just wondering whether Molson and Savard are considering all their options, including the possibility of hiring a non-Francophone (e.g. Ron Hextall) or someone with no previous management experience (e.g. Luc Robitaille) as the executive GM with a posse of assistants in various supporting roles.

        • TomNickle says:

          I don’t believe a word of the Brisebois as a front runner talk due to Savard’s criteria that the person be a former player or “hockey man”.

          As for the committee, what Molson seems to be looking for if he was anything close to truthful in his press conference is a man to lead the organization, committees often lead to confusing ideals and directives. I also wouldn’t call what Toronto has a committee of GM’s. Each has a specific role under Burke.

    • kempie says:

      I’d tend to pick b at this point. I am surprised, however, that his name hasn’t come up much as a candidate.

  39. punkster says:

    Interesting and positive comments here related to the Stephan Cooper article on EOTP the other day and nice to see folks rationally discussing the pros and cons of advanced stats. The comments below about the recent link to EOTP, however, gave me pause to reevaluate my feelings on advanced stats.

    I’m not an NHL GM and I certainly don’t play one even on this interwebby thingy. I personally prefer to just watch and enjoy the games rather than get bogged down in the analysis of why my team did or didn’t (mostly didn’t) do well. There are obviously dozens of statistical areas that GMs, coaches and scouts get paid to analyze, areas that we fans for the most part are not drawn towards.

    That’s the thing about these advanced stats. They take a lot of effort to understand, they have to be updated and analyzed constantly, and they require an experienced eye to relate the info back to where it counts, the individual players and team on the ice.

    I suppose that’s where the management team comes in on a hockey club; applying the advanced data to individual and improve team performance, identifying the strengths and weaknesses, and ultimately making the moves/trades/promotions required to improve the team’s record. I recall a time when Captain Video (Roger Nelson) was the butt of jokes for employing endless views of game videotape to look for ways to improve player and team performance. Imagine, replaying games to look for areas of improvement. Insane!

    So the advent of advanced stats doesn’t surprise me and after looking into them a bit more I kind of like the concepts. Definitely more complicated than what we’re used to but they’re in their early stages of understanding and acceptance so I imagine we’ll see a lot more of them.

    Certainly a step up from what we hear today as “the team should be bigger”, or, “the goalie should be better”, or, “so and so should be traded because he sucks” with nothing more to back up those statement but goals for or against.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • TomNickle says:

      Puck possession time is the single most heavily weighted statistic these guys look at Dave. Followed fairly closely by scoring chance percentage.

      Everything else is feel and talent recognition. The slightly above average executive can see what needs to be put together in terms of player personnel for it all to work.

      This is why is was maddening to consistently see Plekanec, Gionta and Cammalleri together so often. That line while comprised of excellent individual hockey players is not a line that will maximize puck possession time. It was a one and done line where the rush was the one trick pony.

      • punkster says:

        These advanced stats seem to break down simple possession and chances into even finer forms. I imagine management and scouts will be using these types of refinements more as time goes on. Probably a good idea for the rest of us to get used to them as well. It’s great to depend on instinct, experience and time honoured methods and stats to evaluate talent but it wouldn’t make sense to discount additional information capabilities. Knowledge is power and all that.
        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • twilighthours says:

          Absolutely. Some of these measurements are valuable (others not). But they way they are revered above all else is… Weird.

          Some of these data heads think (or seem to think) that corsi is as important as # of goals. What?

        • Bripro says:

          I would hope that Molson & cie will not only base themselves on statistical evaluations and reports, but will have first hand views of various prospects as well as in-depth conversations with those who either have close ties to certain prospective candidates, or who have had a chance to evaluate them.
          I can’t believe that they’ll only look at black on white to decide who’s the best.
          So IMO, any stats submitted for evaluation have to be taken for the limited value that they’re worth. An important part, but still limited.

        • TomNickle says:

          I know what ya mean and a lot of executives use the advanced stats but at the end of the day I don’t know that many follow them as diligently as plain old puck possession. The advanced stats geeks will tell you that good puck possession time could be due to playing from behind(nonsensical argument) or opponents playing a dump and chase game with a passive forecheck(also a terrible argument because if they’re playing dump and chase on you it’s because you are either excellent in transition or you have weak defense, or both and dump and chase teams by large majority are less skilled than puck possession teams).

          The advanced stats by majority were developed because plus/minus is a joke stat. There won’t be an advanced statistic developed to evaluate defensive responsibility relative to opposing scoring chances or goals themselves that assess players individually. It can’t happen because different coaches teach different switches and adjustments in the defensive zone. Like for example if an opposing forward during a cycle comes back toward the blueline along the half-wall and moves to the middle for a shot, some coaches tell their defensemen to stay with that player and some have the defenseman stay inside and a step behind to the hashmarks and then release and switch with the near side forward taking the assignment. Some coaches tell their players to leave a guy alone in that situation provided he isn’t in “the house”.

          That’s just one hilariously complex reason why advanced individual stats, in my eyes are a joke for the most part. It’s also a reason why the game will always have a strong reliance on the experience, intelligence and knowledge of the coaches, executives and players that can’t be measured.

        • punkster says:

          Tom, twilight, Bri…Good discussion points all. I can only imagine that advanced stats of some sort, as they become more familiar, easier to track and manage, and more widely accepted, will play an ever increasing role in how management, media and fans look at the game.

          As Tom says the +/- stat can be a joke yet it’s so often thrown in to an analysis without thinking. If just one of today’s dozen or so advanced stats is proven valuable imagine the possibilities as more are developed.

          ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • JohnBellyful says:

      What about the this statistical system:

      Submitted by JohnBellyful on Sat, 11/27/2010 – 10:45.

      There’s always debate over how much a forward contributes to a team beyond goals and assists. There are a number of detailed statistical analyses out there but I’m not aware of a system that tries to use the different categories to arrive at an overall evaluation of a forward’s performance – but then I don’t get out much. Consider this my contribution to any that exist and my apologies if it closely resembles systems now in place).
      Plus/minus points in 10 categories would be determined as follows, with + obviously for a takeaway, for example, and a – for a giveaway:

      Goal 10 pts Shorthanded goal 12 pts
      Assist 5 pts Shorthanded assist 7 pts
      Plus/minus 3 pts
      Generate exceptional scoring opportunity (GESO) without goal being scored (ie, breakaway pass) 2 pts
      Takeaways/giveaways 1 pt If it leads directly to a goal 10 pts (ie, Komarisek’s pass to Cammalleri would earn MK -10 pts)
      Hit 1 pt
      Penalty – 3 pts Penalty in other team’s end -4 pts If other team scores on PP – 10 pts
      For every 30 seconds player is on successful penalty kill 1 pt
      Blocked shot 1 pt
      Face-off won 1 pt for each 5 percentage points over/under 50 per cent

      A goal is worth twice as much as an assist as two people can earn points from assists on the same goal. Shorthanded goals and assists are worth slightly more because the players are playing at a disadvantage and a score at that point can change momentum in a contest and be a turning point.
      Plus/minus is assigned a lesser value because the statistic doesn’t tell the whole story. Some players can be punished/rewarded for simply being on the ice when a goal is scored without having been a factor in the play (such as just having left the bench seconds earlier).
      A player assessed a penalty should be … penalized in the rating system as well because, while there are good penalties, more often than not they are unnecessary or the result of being out of position, and sidetrack teams from going on the offensive. The stupid ones, those committed in the offensive zone, are even more of a negative. And the player who’s in the box when a goal is scored is punished accordingly.
      Some value is accorded the team’s penalty killers by recognizing their contribution in killing off a penalty according to their level of participation.

      Here’s how it would look, with the points in parentheses:

      Forward A: 1 goal (10), 1 assist (5), 2 more takeaways than giveaways (2), minus 1 (-3), 1 GESO (2), 4 hits (4), penalty in offensive zone, other team scored -14, 2 blocked shots (2) 0 Face-off
      Rating: + 8

      Forward B
      0 goals, 2 assists (10), 3 more takeaways than giveaways (3), plus 2 (6), 1 GESO (2), 0 penalties, three successful PK (78 seconds) (2), 1 blocked shot (1) won 53 per cent of Face-off (1)

      Rating: + 25

      Player A and Player B finished the game with the same number of points, but Player B had much more of an impact, the numbers would suggest.
      Obviously, many more statistics could be incorporated into the number crunching, including TOI (in the offensive end versus defensive end), and shots for and against during shifts, but that would complicate what is meant to be relatively simple. The rating system’s true value would emerge the longer the season went, as the players’ relative worth to a team would become more evident than one based on points and plus/minus alone.

      • TomNickle says:

        You lost me at “what about”.

      • punkster says:

        Outstanding! Clear, concise and as plain as the nose on my face.

        Wait…I’m gonna sneeze…aaa…aaaaaaa…AAAAAA…CHOOOOOOOO!

        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • JohnBellyful says:

          I’ll put you down as a supporter. No, not put you down that way, I wouldn’t do that to you, Punkster. I hate it when HIO posters put down others who merely wish to contribute to the debate.
          I’m glad you appreciate clear, concise arguments. And thanks for making clear it’s the nose on your face. No room for misinterpretation there. :)

          • punkster says:

            That’s me. A supporter. I always support my athletic friends. You might say I’m a…
            No, wait…

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  40. jon514 says:

    W00t! Some great habs prospects still in the running for Memorial Cup honors. Some notables:

    Patrick Holland (WHL Tri-city). 3 goals, 9 assists, plus 4 in 10 games.
    Nathan Beaulieu (QMJHL St-John) 2 goals, 6 assists, plus 15 in 8 games.
    Jarred Tinordi (OHL London) 2 goals, 3 assists, plus 6 in 10 games.

    • TomNickle says:

      Teravainen is a very interesting prospect and is really the wild card among forwards. He really turned it on late in the year and with the low volume of first round quality forwards he could ultimately end up being the 4th or 10th forward selected.

      Would not surprise me at all to see him leap over Faksa and Forsberg.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I agree he is a wild card. I think he might go closer to 10 or 11….but who honestly knows.

        I think it will be interesting to see how Murray does at the Worlds as well. I know the habs are looking for a forward but if he is the best player available at the time it could be interesting.

        I think with Centres i am leaning towards Alex Galchenyuk. I think both have the same amount of risk between Alex Galchenyuk and Grigorenko but in the article it does make a good point in the fact that Grigorenko was also playing with Yakapov which could have elevated his production.

        It will be interesting

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  41. otter649 says:

    Rock n Roll Heaven adds another member as The Band’s Levon Helm dies at age 71……

  42. christophor says:

    I know these guys are often self-righteous d*cks, esp. AB, but this is a good read.

    http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2012/4/18/2955041/fleury-of-goals

    I personally think Habs fans are mystics when it comes to goalies (and these fans are impossible to argue with on the topic), so I’m mostly on board with this.

    • Cal says:

      Same old “our advanced stats better express the real story behind the game” pompous sh!t.

      Winners perform when the odds are the longest, like the ’71 Habs against the “Big Bad” Gooins. The only stats that matter are the scores at the end of the games. It is a team game, so Ws and Ls are team stats. Yet, these personal stats, that contribute to the end result or the final score, are twisted to no end by geeks with nothing better to do. They should remove the “ytics” part at the end of their 2 words and you’ll get the gist of my argument.

    • twilighthours says:

      No thanks. I read the first paragraph, where all he did was criticize reporters. The fact that he thinks he knows more than reporters (some of who(m?) have been covering the game for longer than he’s been alive) and implies that he knows more than NHL GMs is beyond offensive.

      When Boone links to an EOTP piece, I just shudder. Berkshire and his ilk spend a lot of time media-bashing. They deserve no help from legitimate media organizations that have more writing talent in their baby finger and probably as much knowledge of statistical analysis as he does, too. Anyone can take a stats course.

      I’m done with all that noise.

    • 44har48 says:

      Thanks for sharing…I was wrong on two of our players and I am pleasantly surprised to be wrong on LaBlanc. After thinking he would be a giant bust, he really impressed me this year and I think he is going to be a good one now – wicked psyched I was wrong on him. The other I’m not so happy with.

      I really thought Alexander Avtsin was the real deal. Playing in teh KHL at such a young age and flashing Kovalev skills at 18, I bought it hook, line, and sinker. He appears to be another Russian (or old Russian state) enigma. So sad.

      • TomNickle says:

        I wouldn’t read too much into Avtsin yet. He just completed his second north american season under his second coaching staff.

        Communication with coaches and teammates as well as adjusting to life here are factors that many others don’t have to go through. He was a project from the beginning. I wouldn’t make a determination on where he’ll end up until the 3-5 year mark.

  43. Dr.Rex says:

    IF the Montreal Canadiens are required to have a bilingual coach then why are the following not required:
    a) Vancouver should have a chinese coach
    b) Winnipeg should have a aboriginal coach who can speak Michif
    c) Boston should have a tea drinker as their coach

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I think you need to change boston’s to a neanderthal

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    • Lafleurguy says:

      Grenade Alert.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Cal says:

      Yours is the Homer Simpson quote of the day.
      Why can’t people get that Montréal is a french-speaking market?

      • pmaraw says:

        people get that it is a french speaking market. google translate works wonders. when i was 7 years old, i was on the bus in montreal with my brother, dad and uncle. my uncle is sitting across from me and says ‘hey ryan, come sit on my lap and i’ll teach you how to french kiss’ in english, the whole bus laughed at me. guess people understand english in montreal as well.
        the thing about this ‘french speaking coach/gm’ is that we did it already, in jm. the best person for the job is gonna make this team an annual contender, playoffs every year like the red wings.
        but if you want a french speaking coach so he can spew french hockey cliches at press conferences after losses then thanks for crying out loud.

        • Cal says:

          The GM and the coach will be bilingual. French and English. Get used to it.
          Most jobs in Montreal (especially management positions) require French first, then English as a bonus. It’s just the way things are.

          • Jim Edson says:

            Why was that logic not applied to the Alouettes and Expos?

            ———————————————————————-
            What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

            In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

            They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

            ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

          • Cal says:

            @ Jim-
            The Als, Expos and Impact did not/ do not hold the same cultural importance as the Habs do.
            The Rocket is revered not just because of his scoring and Stanley Cups; it was because he was the ti-gars up against les anglais, who held more sway and money in Montreal than the majority liked.

          • dhenry1234 says:

            well guess what. The whole “Cultural Importance” thing hasn’t worked for 20 years now. Time to switch it up.

        • dhenry1234 says:

          Dude your uncle is pretty creepy.

    • Jim Edson says:

      Los Angeles, Miami and Phoenix should have Spanish speakers
      Edmonton should have a Ukrainian speaker.
      Philly should have an Italian speaker.
      Ottawa should have a double-speaker politico.

      ———————————————————————-
      What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

      In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

      They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

      ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

  44. D Mex says:

    One of the most candid moments in Canucks history came a few seasons back when, after their (then) most recent playoff failure, team captain Markus Naslund skated to center with microphone in hand and announced to Vancouver fans : ” we choked “. Naslund ended his career with NYR, and the rest in Vancouver is more of the same.

    OK, so, Canucks headed for game 5 vs Kings and hope springs eternal in lotus land.
    Habs fans think the Gomez situation is bad, and it is, but it could be worse. How ?
    By having Luongo (2012 playoffs 0-2, GAA 4.0, cap hit 10M) locked in long-term and blocking the progress of Schneider (2012 playoffs 1-1, GAA 1.0).
    Yup, it could be a lot worse …

    ALWAYS Habs -
    D Mex

  45. Lafleurguy says:

    One hundred per cent agreement for the first time on HIO.
    Die, Flyers, Die!

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  46. 44har48 says:

    I love the intensity, the competitiveness, the parity, and I love fighting in this game if it is done for the right reasons and professionally. What I don’t like are all these pads these guys wear today. They have turned into Gladiators and have forgotten the most important word in sports: R E S P E C T.

    There needs to be more respect put back into the game and I can’t think of a better way than to take the body armour out. They need leg pads for blocking shots, and real good helmets. The rest should be skimpy at best and when you launch yourself into someone like a ruthless creep, you should feel it and take a chance of breaking your collar bone, ribs, etc. You should feel the pain for your stupidity and the way these guys are equiped, they don’t.

    It would also help if Shanahan knew his head from his arse. Really lost a lot of respect for this clown the way he handles his current position.

    • Mustang says:

      Limiting the design of elbow and shoulder pads to being safety equipment rather than tools to destroy the opposition would certainly change the way some players drive full speed into other players. The present equipment allows a players to slam into another player at full speed with virtually no chance of getting hurt. Of course the player’s head receiving the hit does not have quite the same protection.

  47. habs11s says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPToHy3tSEs

    This looks like a headshot by Malkin but i guess when you are a star the whole league just bows down to you….

    _____________________________________________________________

    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  48. jon514 says:

    Oh man. I love the battle of Pennsylvania so much! Street ball hockey played by pros. Also two big wins for Canada last night. I have nothing to add except I’m having a great time!

  49. HNS says:

    Price for Giroux.

  50. thepriceiswrong says:

    Guys,

    This video is MONEY.

    Glass pane that fell on David Krejci suspended indefinitely
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKOywERtbig

  51. Rudy says:

    Down Goes Brown makes me laugh out loud every day:

    @DownGoesBrown Follow
    “I’m confused, that guy took a shot so why is nobody hugging?” – First-time hockey fan watching Flyers/Penguins witnesses a save.

  52. Mr. Biter says:

    If this works a bit of fun about the secret service (even has an add about visiting Montreal)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=97vmOHGSlpA
    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  53. Mattyleg says:

    This is a new post because there have been no others to entertain and divert my attention from doing real work:

    The Flyers are significantly less despicable than they have been in the not-so-distant past.

    Boone’s anger towards them seems out of sync with who they are now, despite the fact that their fans may still be dung-flinging subhumans.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Matty, I have to side with Boone on this one. The revolting style of their play in the 70′s has scared me for life. The jersey alone starts my blood boiling.

      ———————————–
      Please feel free to call me Jim.

    • Cal says:

      As soon as I see an orange jersey, I have to hit something. It’s like the Pavlov’s Dogs experiment.

      • Habsolutely says:

        lol. Same here. I hate Hartnell, and that Rinaldo guy and used to despise Richards when he was there. Laviolette is a giant tool as well.

        • Bripro says:

          Let’s be honest.
          He’s a very good coach, and I’m sure you wouldn’t mind having Hartnell on our team.

          • Habsolutely says:

            Nope, I don’t think he’s that great of a coach. If throwing tantrums makes you a good coach then maybe. and no, I hate side-show Hartnell.

          • Bripro says:

            Wow….a coach with some emotion. Such a foreign concept!
            Well he certainly out-coached Bylsma the first 3 games.
            The only player I would refuse on the Habs by reputation is the Rat.

          • Habsolutely says:

            I think the Flyers GM Holmgren is awesome, if that makes you feel better.

          • Bripro says:

            Don’t get me wrong, I still hate the Broadstreet bullies, but the way they’ve adapted all year, with what is not considered an overly-talented lineup (IMO), is pretty impressive. And lousy goaltending to boot.

    • Bripro says:

      Perhaps his seemingly misplaced anger is aimed more appropriately at their rabid fans than the players themselves.
      Remember 2010? What a bunch of yahoos!!!
      Makes our extremists seem mild by comparison.
      Even the HIO extremists.

    • DorvalTony says:

      Ha they fantasize they’re the ape in the old Samsonite luggage commercial but they’re just a rabid Lhasa Apso with the runs!

      tony-mclean.blogspot.com

    • smiler2729 says:

      As a Habs fan you hate the Laffs and Bruins for obvious reasons but other teams get in your craw and stick.

      Hockey hate runs deep, man, those ’70s Flyers were dog-waste on ice and one of the biggest justices ever served was the Habs ending their goon show run with firewagon hockey in the spring of ’76 spearheaded by Larry Robinson destroying Dave “The Hammer” Schultz…

      I still hate the Islanders ‘cuz of their early ’80s run on our turf…

      I still hate the Flames who in ’89 had to be the ugliest team I’d ever seen, all big Neanderthal-like with a crazy dwarf (Fleury), a goof in a goof helmet named Loob and a dog-faced boy in net (Vernon)…

      _______________________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
      The Halakian Jaroslaves’ constant BS make me anti-Halak

  54. Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

    So, I read the JT blog about the state of the game, and as always, she did a great job. Some great quotes from Dryden.

    Whenever I read any quotes from Dryden about the state of the game, I can’t help but dream of a day when he replaces Bettman as Commissioner. I think he would be perfect. A Hall of Fame player, who is also a lawyer and has a great deal of respect for the sanctity of the game.

    How do we make this happen?

    • boing007 says:

      Start a webwide petition. All NHL club blogs, fan sites and the like. Cartoons, testimonials, you name it. Send everything to Mr. B when done.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  55. mark_ID says:

    Fastest skater on the Habs?

    Cole?
    Pacioretty?
    Plekanec?
    Gionta?

    “Step off George”

    • Malreg says:

      Tough choice, they are all great skaters…

      I would give the edge to Pacioretty.

    • Gerry H says:

      Cole, I think, with Pacioretty a close second. Pleks has the legs to be the fastest, but his technique (for speed) sucks badly. His stride is a particularly awful example of the problems typical with hockey skaters (as opposed to speed skaters or figure skaters).

      • mark_ID says:

        Almost maybe even throw Subban in there…

        “Step off George”

        • Gerry H says:

          Nope. Subban’s a good example of the above. Crazy-good skater in terms of mobility and obviously equipped with a primo set of legs. But again, his stride is his enemy when it comes to top speed.

          It never ceases to amaze me how so many of these fine athletes have fundamental flaws in their skating technique. But then I remind myself of all of the other skills they have to acquire and it makes a little more sense.

          • mark_ID says:

            Yea….I remember when I was younger, went to a power skating camp….and sure enough it was a figure skater who was the instructor.

            Interesting that Jeff Skinner started off as a figure skater….then turned into the skilled hockey player he is/

            “Step off George”

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I seem to recall that Gionta won the teams skill competition last year. I can’t seem to remember this years winner. I am going to guess Cole.

      ———————————–
      Please feel free to call me Jim.

      • mark_ID says:

        From what I understand tho…..not every player competes in every competition….just like the NHL skills, so it doesn’t give us an accurate answer.

        “Step off George”

        • mark_ID says:

          Here…I found this/

          • Fastest skater, one lap of Bell Centre ice:
          Lars Eller, 13.19 seconds
          David Desharnais, 13.49
          Chris Campoli, 13.58
          P.K. Subban, 13.92

          • Shooting accuracy, four targets set in net corners:
          Tomas Kaberle, 4 targets in 6 shots (13.8 seconds, wins based on time)
          Mathieu Darche, 4 in 6 (16 seconds)
          Andrei Kostitsyn, 4 in 6 (16 seconds)
          Rene Bourque, 4 in 7
          Erik Cole, 4 in 7
          Tomas Plekanec, 4 in 7
          Max Pacioretty, 3 in 4 (probably disqualified with broken stick)

          • Hardest shot (best of three shots recorded below):
          P.K. Subban, 151 km/h (not in contest, but accepted Weber challenge to win)
          Yannick Weber, 147 km/h
          Raphael Diaz, 135 km/h
          Michael Blunden, 128 km/h
          Alexei Emelin, 126 km/h

          Haha it is pretty sad that we need to use KM/hour to make the shots seem faster……I know we are in Canada, but come on.

          “Step off George”

          • Gerry H says:

            By the way, there are 12 year-old girls in my speed skating club who can do 11 second laps. Our fastest 17-18 year-old boys get it done in 9.6-9.7.

      • Gerry H says:

        I think it was Eller or Desharnais (who are both pretty fast). But not all skaters participate in all competitions. Netiher Cole nor Pacioretty did the fastest lap competition. I remember being surprised at the result, but then seeing the actual line-up, it made more sense.

    • Max says:

      I would think that Gomez has to be well up there too.

    • DorvalTony says:

      Cole. Not even close.

      tony-mclean.blogspot.com

  56. EricInStL says:

    Quick thoughts and maybe a solution.

    Now the players are bigger, faster, stronger and maybe even aided by some vitamins…. Also the equipment is lighter and stronger. You cannot make the rinks bigger (costs + income lost) but you can change the game to a 4 on 4. Hear me out. I love regular season overtime, the best players are skating up and down and it’s fast pace with enough room for the skilled players to move around without getting killed.

    This would eliminate the 4th line player and the slow D man.

    This will also reduce the size of the roster and make more $ for the teams. Obviously the players association would not go for it, but tell the PA that if they go for it, Quebec, Hamilton and Portland immediately get franchises. This would keep the same number of players on the payroll, just different type of players.

    Sure it would change the game forever but the alternative is to see someone probably die live on TV at some point in the future.

    Drastic time, demand drastic measures.

    • Chuck says:

      It’s been done before. Hockey used to feature a ‘rover’.

      ___________________________________________________
      Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment.

    • petefleet says:

      They already have a game for girls. It’s called ringette and not alot of people watch it in comparison to other sports. No pro league either that I know of.

      WRT to the rinks, Tampa actually reduced its seating capacity by 1500-2000 to accomodate more fan interaction with the game on the ice. Subtracting a few seats to make the ice bigger is not that big of a deal to the other 29 teams.

      ******************************************

      “It just goes to show how difficult predictions are, especially ones made about the future.”

      RGM
      ***Habs Forever***

      • Chorske says:

        While I agree that 4 on 4 would be too much of a modification to the original game, I don’t see why you need to bring in a misogynistic bullshit comment deriding a sport simply because it is played by women. Anytime someone suggests changing the rules, some jerk caveman starts mouthing off about ringette or women’s soccer or pansies. Piss on that.

        I also don’t get why HIO mods don’t come down harder on the arseholes who make these comments.

      • GrimJim says:

        When did Tampa lose these 2000 seats at the Forum?

    • boing007 says:

      I used to like 4 on 4 in overtime. I no longer do. Couldn’t tolerate a sixty minute game of 4 on 4 hockey.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  57. Malreg says:

    Hockey’s Future release their “Prospect Awards” article for Montreal:

    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/14142/hard_work_and_character_headline_the_first_edition_of_montreal_prospect_awards/

    For those too lazy to follow the link…

    Most Improved: Ian Schultz
    Best Defensive Prospect: Morgan Ellis
    Best Offensive Prospect: Nathan Beaulieu
    Prospect of the Year: Brendan Gallagher
    Fastest Skater: Danny Kristo
    Hardest Shot: Magnus Nygren
    Overachiever: Mark MacMillan
    Underachiever: Alexander Avtsin
    Highest Risk/Reward Prospect: Colin Sullivan
    Hardest Worker: Michael Bournival
    Breakout Player for 2012-2013: Louis Leblanc
    Most Perseverance: Scott Kishel
    Unsung Heru: Greg Pateryn

    • Mattyleg says:

      It’s ‘Everyone Gets a Medal Day’!

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Chuck says:

        Right on… ‘participation’! Dad will be so proud of me!

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        • punkster says:

          We should start a thread for the Habs Achievement Awards.

          Anybody want to go first?

          ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • Chuck says:

            Scott Gomez– participation.

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          • Habfan10912 says:

            Mr. Congeniality – Andre Markov

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          • Mattyleg says:

            Most Likely to Improve – Lars Eller

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • ths says:

            Most Mexican Alaskan : Scott Gomez
            Runner Up : RAPHAEL DIAZ

            Ooh Aah Habs on the war path

          • ths says:

            Most likely to get his nuts skewered by a steer horn : Carey Price
            Runner Up : Scott Gomez

            Ooh Aah Habs on the war path

          • Bripro says:

            Funny ths….
            they were also nominated by the Montreal’s biased writers’ association for “slickest teflon coating award”.

      • Malreg says:

        Haha, I thought the same thing when I was reading it… That’s a ton of categories.

        Colin Sullivan looks like an interesting prospect. They said he cancelled his commitment to Yale Univsersity, and could end up at Boston College or the QMJHL.

    • Elephant Man says:

      While I agree that the word “Arsehole” is both comical and more acceptable by both humans and auto web censors alike, I believe strongly that the more North American “Cornhole” should be used instead.

      I am not an animal, I just reproduce that way.

  58. Mattyleg says:

    Hi there!

    So there’s lots of vitriol toward the goalies from Pit/Phi, but does anyone else think that it may, just perhaps, be the defence of both teams that is miserably bad?

    All those shots came from pretty good scoring areas/chances, while the d-men pirouetted on the spot as the puck zinged around them.

    How many blocked shots did the defence put up? I’m too lazy to look it up, but I would venture a guess: not very many.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Cal says:

      You can put a ribbon on a pig, but it’s still a pig. The goalies in the Pitt-Flyer series are playing awful. Yes, the D is bad. However, if you feel your D cannot allow any shots at all, it makes playing D too complicated.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Coaching skill also comes into question. It won’t happen but a Philly-St. Louis final, or more to the point, a Laviolette-Hitchcock matchup would be intriguing.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  59. AllHailTheFlower says:

    Toronto Maple Leafs, meet your new goaltender. Roberto Luongo, meet the Toronto Maple Leafs.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I certainly hope not.
      The only team he ever played well against with regularity was Montreal.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • AllHailTheFlower says:

        I’m not encouraging the move by any means, but I read a QMI article that makes the possibility of moving Luongo quite real:

        “Luongo’s contract reportedly has a clause in which he can get out of it in a couple of years and the team can do the same after the 2015-16 season, so it’s not as big of an albatross as it appears at first glance.”

        The question is, is Burke dumb enough to trade a number one draft pick again?

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Belfour, and Joseph did good things as over 30 goalies joining the Leafs. Luongo is a good goalie but unfortunately was outplayed by the hot QuickStop.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Chrisadiens says:

      E1000?

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      Whoa! I was thinking the same thing last night.

      Get out of my head!!

      Burke knows his time is running out. This is when GMs make a desperation move such as this (*cough*gainey*cough*). I doubt he rolls the dice with Reimer again.

    • DorvalTony says:

      Can’t wait for his forced “You Can Play” endorsement.

      tony-mclean.blogspot.com

  60. commandant says:

    Our latest profile is up. A huge Defenceman from the Ottawa 67s, Codi Ceci
    http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/04/19/nhl-draft-prospect-profile-14-cody-ceci/

    Go Habs Go!

  61. JohnBellyful says:

    With Torres suspended indefinitely and facing a hearing on Friday, I betcha he regrets making this video

    For those with slow Internet, here are the words:

    My name is Raffi, I play tough
    Seldom score, oh yes, it’s true
    Come near me you will regret
    Commit a foul is what I do

    Grab your stick, clip your skates
    What’s my goal? Be an inmate
    I’m the hammer, you’re the nail
    I will knee you without fail

    See me coming, I’ll pay you no mind
    I’d rather hit the side that’s blind
    Drop the gloves, and we’ll have fun
    You’re the Goth, I’m the Hun

    [Instrumental]

    Playing shinny’s not for sissies
    Taking out a player is kinda cool
    I’m not out there to make a friend
    I’m the one who breaks the rules

    Skate and pass, taking shots
    Not the kind that’s on the net
    Help your team do its worst
    Other teams won’t forget

    From sea to sea they loathe my name
    All because I like to maim,
    Now and then a shot to the head
    Is that so bad if he’s not dead?

    My name is Raffi, I have a beard
    That isn’t strange but what is weird
    A thug like me writing children’s tunes,
    My biggest fans — the Boston Bruins

    Playing shinny’s not for sissies
    Taking out a player is kinda cool
    I’m not out there to make a friend
    I’m the one who breaks the rules
    I’m the one who breaks the rules

    Fun, Play, Respect….hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

  62. LafleurGuy says:

    Nice work 24 Cups in providing good reads via the links. Leigh Anne Power, Habloyalist nicely illustrates why the Canadiens Legacy is so rich. Plaudits to her for focusing timely attention to the intellectual Ken Dryden’s critique of intimidation tactics both recently, and back in the championship years of the Broad Street Bullies. Dryden proudly referred to the champion Montreal teams he was on as an important team in the evolution of “The Game.” Allow my humble attempt to summarize. The ’73-74, and ’74-75 Flyers PROVED one workable formula for winning was to inject a big dose of violent tactics into your game strategy. The 1976 to 1979 dynasty of the ephemereal Montreal Canadiens PROVED that another formula, one in which hockey skills are on display far more often than intimidation skills, is the purist, most satisfying type of hockey for people to watch, and for most players, the most satisfying type to play. Yes, people innately enjoy watching violence, even when Mike Tyson tried to make Evander Holyfield’s ear a two bite brownie (would you like a third helping, Mike?), (did people abstain from watching replays of the bites?). But ultimately it is the display of other skillsets that binds our passions to Hockey, the game we love. As for Tyson and Holyfield, in their retirement years away from boxing they can be seen on the Food Channel.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  63. RGM says:

    If you haven’t read Todd Denault’s The Greatest Game, written about the Canadiens/Red Army 1975 matchup, do yourself a service and go pick up a copy. The entire book is fantastic, but if you focus on Part II – The Dark Ages, what is written about the NHL of 1973-1975 will sound incredibly familiar to dispirited fans of the NHL today. Indeed, the days of Clarence Campbell’s regime are so similar that passages about and quotes by Campbell you could almost swear that it was being written about or said by Colin Campbell. Excessive violence and intimidation ruled the day over skill and talent. There’s a money quote from Dave Schultz about how going after a team’s best player with an intent to injure helps his team better than anything he himself could do in terms of offensive production. If we adopt the view that NHL of 2012 is reminiscent of “The Dark Ages” of the early/mid 70′s….what will be the Habs/Red Army game that turns the tide back towards making NHL hockey about skill, speed, and talent?

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  64. Propwash says:

    If Bryzgalov (hope I spelled his name right…) keeps playing like that, Philly can kiss round 1 goodbye, I think Fleury is getting some of his confidence back.

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    • Cal says:

      “Battle of the Sh!t Goalies 2012.” It’s been incredible to watch how bad both goalies have been. Still think Flyers will win because Pens can’t put together 4 disciplined games in a row. But, hey, you never know. ;)

  65. 24 Cups says:

    JT ponders what needs to be done to save our game.

    http://habsloyalist.blogspot.ca/2012/04/biggest-save.html

    • Habfan10912 says:

      24, thanks for sharing JT’s thoughts. Now my blood is boiling. My opinion and I admit it very well may be swayed by my love of the Habs is this all started with Chara’s assault on Patches. The Jocob’s supporters immediately went to work both in the league office and the press. Daddy Campbell let it slide and Cherry and the Jacobs mouthpieces in the press began to blame the Bell Centre and called the attack a “hockey play”. I believe there was a concentrated effort to prop up the Bruins to provide stability to a franchise on the brink for an owner who clearly yields an unhealthy amount of power in the league. Still sickens me.

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      • RGM says:

        Agreed.

        There are a number of folks on the Internet that are taking people to task for “condoning” stuff like the Weber/Zetterberg and other incidents in this year’s playoffs. Yet many of those same people were all too eager to support this:
        http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg16/RGM81/SweepUnderCarpet.jpg

        The NHL did everything in its power to support and defend the Bruins position on the Chara hit, including putting out its most belligerent and bellicose old guard representative on Saturday night TV to pretend like he didn’t even know Max Pacioretty’s name.

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  66. habsfan0 says:

    That’s unlucky 7 straight playoff OT losses for Henrik Lundqvist.
    Not exactly the mark of a “money” goalie.

    The Rangers will NEVER win the Stanley Cup as long as he’s their number 1 goalie.

    Like Roberto Luongo,Curtis Joseph,and a certain other goalie who shall remain nameless,these players are very good to excellent regular season goalies. But,when the heat of the playoffs shines brightly…they go down faster than the Titanic.

    • The Cat says:

      Thats harsh on Cujo. I certainly recall instances where he carried his team.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Saw Cujo at the outdoor old timers game in Hamilton. Looks like he could be in the net for the flyers and give them a better chance to win then the Flyers current tenders.

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      • Cal says:

        Cujo, like Hextall, wanted to win the Cup so much he could never compose himself in the playoffs and play like he demonstrated in regular seasons.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Hmm….interesting hard knock on a single, talented player. Lundqvist has had only one more season in the NHL than Carey Price although the Swedish Wall is 3 years older. Heard similar pronouncements about Steve Yzerman and even other sport’s Michael Jordan before they broke through.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Malreg says:

        “Lundqvist has had only one more season in the NHL than Carey Price”

        Lundqvist – 7 full seasons, 468 games.
        Price – 4 full seasons, 1 partial season where he went to the AHL for a bit. 271 games.

        Yup, totally comparable.

        • Lafleurguy says:

          Thanks. Love Carey. Tried to counterpoint the slam on Lundqvist. Read up on him few days ago, mainly to check on his salary and came away impressed.

          • Malreg says:

            Lundqvist is a solid goaltender, and was really underrated his first few years.

            However, he has yet to do anything in the playoffs yet. Of course he has played on some pretty bad teams, but people never let that get in the way of trashing a goaltender they do not like.

          • habsfan0 says:

            I have absolutely NOTHING against Lundqvist. Why would I? I just call them the way I see them.

            However, if Lundqvist leads the Rangers to the Stanley Cup, you can tell me how wrong I was about him.

    • Propwash says:

      It was also a helluva shot that beat him, he didn’t see it until it was too late, and he loves playing deep in his net.

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    • Bill says:

      I don’t agree that Luongo is a choker. Neither is Lundqvist. That’s a ridiculous statement.

      Patrick Roy had 6 wins, 7 losses in playoff game sevens … was he a choker?

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  67. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning. Three things are certain in my life. If I buy gas in the morning the price will drop shortly after, if I wash my car you can count on it raining soon after, and if I post on this site a new thread will start shortly. Sigh, the life of Jim. :)

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    • The Cat says:

      I know how you feel. Seems I often post in a soon to be dead thread as well. Maybe we are thread killers Habfan? lol My father is the king of the bad timing stuff though, he bought a 42 inch screen tv, it went on sale 2-3 days later- 150$ off!

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      10912, on a serious note, can you wash your car today? We need some rain.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Habfan10912 says:

        You got it Guy. They’re calling for up to 5 inches of the wet stuff down here Saturday thru Monday. Hope some finds it your way.
        Back to hockey, how in the world are the sens doing it? Reminds me of Montreal vs Caps/Pens of a few years ago.

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        • FanCritic says:

          The Sens are doing it with a better “D” and they’re pretty good up front – The Rangers may have a small edge – but the Sens “D” is the key and if they keep playing like they have – could be a possible upset in the making….

  68. Steven says:

    Thought I was the only one who saw that.

    Maybe TSN just didn’t update their clock after seconds were added, though. Who knows, I guess. At least the Goons lost.

  69. otter649 says:

    I guess LA is not the only place that has problems with it’s score clock……

  70. Timo says:

    There is about half dozen teams I will happily see disappear from NHL

  71. Habs_4_ever says:

    Please share.

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  72. Timo says:

    Bruins, of course
    both floridas
    columbus
    carolina
    maybe minnesota

  73. Just A Guy says:

    Minnesota? aside from having a bad team, I think they sell out on a consistent basis..and not for 10$ a ticket IIRC.

    But I’d love to see Anaheim or Florida go to QC

  74. jedimyrmidon says:

    Minnesota actually produces a lot of NHL hockey players and it’s probably one of the only places in the States where hockey is relatively big.

  75. Duracell3 says:

    Minnesota sold out every game for 10 years. Minnesota HS hockey is in some ways the biggest HS sport league in the states. He also included Bruins, so obviously not based off of poorly run/failing franchises.

  76. Trisomy 21 says:

    I take that stat about Minnesota selling out every game with a grain of salt. Apparently they give the remaining tickets to their staff, and they consider all tickets to be distributed to constitute selling out, not actually selling them. Which is why the arena is not often at full capacity.


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