Patrick Roy to coach Avalanche: report

The Denver Post reported Monday night that Patrick Roy will be the next coach of the Colorado Avalanche, according to his younger brother, Stephane.

“They’re discussing the final details of an arrangement. Colorado is going to be very happy. Patrick is looking for a new challenge,” Stephane Roy told Adrian Dater of the Post.

Stephane Roy posted on his Facebook page Monday night, “For all my friends I’d like you to know before the official news spreads that my older brother will be the new coach of the Colorado Avalanch(sic).”

Stephane Roy told the Post: “People in Quebec will be sad again that my brother is leaving for Denver. But he has always loved Denver too, and wants the new challenge of going back to his old team.”

(Photo by John Mahoney/The Gazette)

Patrick Roy will be new Colorado Avalanche coach, brother says, by Denver Post

Avs say no deal in place yet with Roy, by Denver Post

Joe Sakic putting reputation on the line, by Denver Post

Martin Brodeur joins Hockey Night in Canada, by Stu Cowan

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168 Comments

  1. Saintpatrick33 says:

    The greatest goalie of all time!!! I’m rooting for him hope he does good in Colorado.

  2. Un Canadien errant says:

    A blast from the past (SEPTEMBER 14, 2011 AT 2:47 PM). Note some of the hilarious statements contained therein.

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    Anterior cruciate ligament tears do NOT ‘heal’. The procedure involves grafting a piece of (usually) hamstring muscle into place where the old ACL used to be. In time, usually 3-6 months, the stitches dissolve, and the muscle tissue turns into collaginous tissue (ligament and tendon). This actual healing is not what determines whether the player recovers, unless an infection sets in like in Tom Brady’s case.

    The injured knee will perform at close to 100% only when it is rehabilitated, and that is the key part of the process. What makes the knee recover is all the physio work and time in the gym. Which should allay some of your fears, since both Andrei and Josh are diligent professionals who take pride in their physical fitness and off-ice work.

    Even when they are cleared by team doctors, both players will feel that their knee feels a little wobbly in certain circumstances. This is perfectly normal, it takes a long long time to get back full stability and proprioception in the joint. The muscles and nerves need to relearn how to work together. Most athletes in football, skiing speak of a ‘lost year’ or season after the surgery, where their knee was medically at 100%, but they only felt able to perform at peak efficiency a year later.

    Specifically, Andrei Markov should be ready to perform earlier than Josh Gorges since his procedure occurred two months before Josh’s. He has a huge head start in his rehab program. Also, I read a blurb today that stated how Mr. Markov had a relatively rare injury, in the good sense, in that he only ruptured his ACL, and not his medial collateral, or suffer any cartilage damage, the latter of which is more problematic. This fact is probably why the team doctors were optimistic about his recovery, and why Mr. Gauthier felt confident signing him to a longer term deal. Mr. Gorges’ injury may have been more severe, he may have damaged some cartilage over the years playing with the ACL gone, so that may be why Mr. Gauthier only offered the one year deal, again, based on his team doctors’ advice.

    All that remains now is for those two hearty fellows to continue working on their rehab, and to take things slowly. Frequently, the injured athlete starts to feel good about his progress and may push it to hard too soon, and pop the new ligament and need to start over. They will need to listen to their doctors and physios and their bodies. Mr. Martin will no doubt be briefed on their progress, and will need to temper his instinct to rely on his trusted veterans and tendency to overuse them. He will need PK and Skillsie to crunch even more minutes, and think of the early season as an opportunity to test Mr. Webber, Yemelin and other newcomers in all situations. Both Mr. Markov and Mr. Gorges should be seen as 15-20 minute defencemen early in the season, even if they feel great and there is no pain or swelling in their knee. As they accumulate icetime and practice sessions and still more time in the gym, their knee will slowly go from 99.5% to 101%, hopefully in time for a long playoff run.

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  3. Maritime Ron says:

    100HABS says:
    You know, you look at St-Pat’s final two years, both 63 games played, great winning percentage, 0.920 and 0.925 save percentage. I couldn’t understand it then and I don’t understand it now: WHY did he retire at 38?

    He had 2-3 stellar years left in him for sure…
    ——-
    Perhaps he just wanted to go home and take care of his sons at that specific moment in time. I believe he was also divorced in 2003 which was the same year he retired.

    Quite possibly he also had a post NHL career plan of being a local coach/GM/part owner that would lead to something down the road in the NHL.

    While many may see him as a coach or GM concerning the imminent return of the Nordiques to Quebec, it would not be surprising if he went a step further and assumed an ownership position such as what Mario did in Pittsburgh.

    As for personal wealth, no one really knows where Patrick is at, yet these are his NHL earnings:

    Over and above endorsements and other income, Patrick Roy earned $56,771,988 in NHL salary from 1990-2003.
    Even after income tax, that’s not a bad number for 13 years of work
    http://www.hockeyzoneplus.com/salaries/3355

  4. Sportfan says:

    Well this is expected but still depressing http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=17805
    Wonder if this will force the signing of a big d?

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  5. Alex_425 says:

    Does anybody know (official or not) why it took THIS long for Emelin to undergo surgery for his knee?

    But I’m no expert….

    • Sportfan says:

      I thought it had to do with the swelling in the injury and the fact it hadn’t gone down enough to do anything?

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      • Alex_425 says:

        That’s what I thought was the case, too, but I never heard any word from anyone about it.

        Not looking good for the start of the season, then, right?

        But I’m no expert….

        • von says:

          It was due to swelling in the knee. They couldn’t operate until it went down to understand the full extent of damage.

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        • B says:

          Dave_Stubbs: #Habs had to wait for Emelin’s knee to be unswollen & fully ready for surgery. Hence the delay in the operation

          Dave_Stubbs: Late November if rehab goes well seems more likely for #Habs Emelin “@Jay_Mtl: @Dave_Stubbs safe to say he won’t start season in Oct then.”

          –Go Habs Go!–

    • Ron says:

      I believe it had to do with waiting until the swelling was down so proper diagnosis could be made.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      After some general research and posted previously, there appears to be a need for swelling to be reduced, yet almost as important, an actual PRE-surgical rehab plan where the muscles around the knee must be strengthened to promote a quicker rehab time.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Different injuries, different medical teams, different strategies.

      Very often for the mere mortal, there’s a waiting list to get your ACL redone. Here in Whistler, B.C. it can take months. The approach then is to undergo lots of physiotherapy and an intensive pre-hab during which you work on your range of motion and strengthening of the other components of the knee. One of the benefits that is bandied about is that it does allow the swelling to go down.

      Other orthopedic specialists in other areas scoff at this, and say that the best outcomes result from an early intervention, that you can deal with swelling in other ways than waiting.

      Some doctors think there’s merit in both approaches and will plan differently based on the type of injury, if there’s collateral damage to the meniscus, cartilage or other ligaments or tendon. It’s plausible to think that these doctors have had experience with both approaches and have formed an opinion as to when it’s best to use either.

      In the Canadiens’ case, we know the issue isn’t dealing with a waiting list, or a medical team that can’t be flexible. They didn’t forget about the operation and have to be reminded about it, like they’re a bunch of slackers. It’s most probably the case that they examined Alexei Emelin, did all the tests they needed, and figured out that his best chance for a best outcome was to wait a few weeks and then go in.

      I don’t think we need to get in a dudgeon over this. Professional athletes get the best medical care possible, I don’t believe that Alexei is not being looked after properly.

      It would be better news if he had only snapped his ACL, the rest of the knee looked strong, nothing else was affected, and they could have been aggressive with the reconstruction, and he was already well on his way back, but that’s not the cards he was dealt. We need to be patient and realistic, and know that he won’t be back playing until Christmas at the earliest, and then will have a long period of re-adaptation.

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  6. commandant says:

    Since Collberg is underage (under 20), he will be subject to the “Entry Level Slide Rule” where his deal does not begin unless he plays 9 NHL games next season. This is true whether he is in Hamilton or Europe.

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  7. frontenac1 says:

    Paddy Roy and Torts are Loose Wires.I like Loose Wires. Pro Hockey needs more crazy buggers! Getting too freakin corporate.Saludos!

  8. mrhabby says:

    If the Roy appt goes ahead. Iam looking forward to a game played between the Canadiens and the Av’s. Hopefully the game is in Montreal.

  9. von says:

    Apparently Emelin’s had surgery on his knee. Expected to be out until Nov.

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  10. Gally365 says:

    Just because a team is rebuilding don’t guarantee a cup. It’s how fast you can rebuild a Stanley cup team ahead of the 0ther 29 teams is going to be the deciding factor.

    I’m hoping MB can put this team on the right track.

  11. Kooch7800 says:

    Habs ink two draft picks.
    Defenseman Magnus Nygren
    Forward Sebastian Collberg

    Are they both with the dogs next year?

  12. sreuel says:

    This was yesterday’s news TSN broke it why this site is very late

    • Mattyleg says:

      Because TSN is so often wrong.
      And this site isn’t about BREAKING NEWS.

      And don’t forget: punctuation can be fun!

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  13. JUST ME says:

    If this report turns out to be true i think that this is the perfect fit for Patrick. He is as ready as he can be now to coach in the NHL. We all saw him make his grades and do junior stuff that was nothing short than sad…but i guess that some have to go that way and since Patrick has a very bad temper…

    Colorado needs Patrick Roy as bad as Roy needs a team that he can lead his way. The Avalanche are going nowhere and need a kick in the…Patrick is the perfect guy to do so. He has deep attachment with Colorado,will work with his friend Sakic in an environment that only wants to be a winner.

    If one day a team comes in Québec city then he will have had experience in the big league but even then, i think that Colorado is a way better fit than Québec because he will be able to do what he wants in Denver without having 30 reporters on his back.

  14. HabinBurlington says:

    Given the Habs are now playing Golf, glad to see that the R&A and USGA will ban the anchored belly putters.

    http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/9297193/golf-governing-bodies-impose-ban-anchoring-putter-starting-january-2016

    • CalgaryHab says:

      I agree with this completely. Those longs putters have angered me for years – especially when used for a 2 club length relief rule.

      What about unintentional anchoring where your gut hangs over and hits the end of a regular putter?

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …appreciate You’re proofing My mistakes Gerald

      …I guess senility is slowly winning the war :)

      • HabinBurlington says:

        LOL, no worries my friend. The only reason I commented on the Callahan comment, is he is probably one of the only players not in Fonzie’s doghouse right now. Torts really seems to have issues with how to coach/work with players of high end skill.

        Callahan is a great hard working two way player though, would love to see him in a Habs uniform.

    • stevieray says:

      It appears the PGA of America is not in agreement and some pros are thinking about sueing !…It is a unfair advantage I agree . Another one I have trouble with is if my ball stops in a old divot …It must be played . I believe since it is a man made obstacle a drop is warranted..When my buddy and I play we take a drop .

  15. HabinBurlington says:

    Has Jarome Iginla’s game really dropped off this much, or is it as simple as fitting into a new team can be difficult for a player used to being the main cog in a wheel.

    In watching the Penguins series, I am amazed at how irrelevant Iginla has looked to me. I realize he may be playing defensively responsible, but from an offensive perspective, I have seen little to nothing.

    • Bill says:

      I dunno, I think he’s been pretty good. Ten points in nine games, third on the Penguins in scoring behind a couple of guys named Crosby and Malkin. Not too shabby.

      I agree he hasn’t “looked” stellar, but the results are there. He put up really important points in the NYI seiers.

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      • HabinBurlington says:

        Perhaps that is my mistake then, I watched little of the Islanders series, and have focused on the Ottawa series.

        • Bill says:

          I think we’re just seeing all that depth. It’s different guys different nights. Penguins team is just stacked.

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          • Chris says:

            Stupidly stacked. It is beyond ridiculous.

            Tyler Kennedy would be a top-9 forward on any other team in the NHL. In Pittsburgh, he has to fight to stay in the lineup.

      • Bash says:

        You could have 10 points playing with either of those guys Bill! :)
        How many points would Dupuis have playing with Deharnais?

        “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

  16. H.Upmann says:

    anyone see the PJ Stock bit during 2nd intermission about Detroit’s neutral zone trap? looked a lot like a 1 3 1 to my eye…

  17. florida habs says:

    he had his hab’s jersey on for the ceremony, and when it was done he pulled it off and was wearing the rangers jersey with #10. I loved the flower, and was quite disappointed he did it there on the ice.

  18. Maritime Ron says:

    @ donmarco and your apparent disdain for Patrick Roy.

    Just a little reminder that if Patrick had not stolen the Cup in 86, and was also absolutely amazing in 1993 when we won an NHL playoff record of 10 OT wins…we would be ‘celebrating’ our 35th year without a Cup instead of 20 years.

    • ont fan says:

      How many stars in any sport, become great coaches? What I see from stars, is the intangible they have and can’t get it across to players.

      • Bill says:

        That is what I always thought about Wayne Gretzky as a coach. I could imagine him saying to the players, “Okay, we’re down by two, now you go get the puck and make three amazing plays and score!” Because that is what he would have done as a player.

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        • Mattyleg says:

          Haha.
          My buddies and I all said that Gretzky would be a terrible coach because he’d say that.
          “Okay, get out there, get the puck, deke three or four players out of their jockstraps, then either score an incredible highlight-reel goal, or set up whichever lesser-talented player was able to nearly keep up with you. If they don’t manage to put it in, do it yourself. Then do it a few more times until we win.”

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Bill says:

            And the Coyotes would just look at each other and be like ….”okkkkk”, haha.

            Some other Gretzky coaching strategies:

            1. “Just anticipate five plays into the future and know where the puck will be, and be there!”

            2. Use psychic powers to know where your teammate will be and make a blind pass on the tape through three opposing sticks”.

            3. “If you have to, make an end to end rush through everybody and roof it from an impossible angle.”

            4. “You, yeah you with the C on his jersey … score 50 goals in 39 games and everything’s all good”.

            5. “For Pete’s sake, just pass it to Jari!!”

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          • Chris says:

            My favourite Jari Kurri anecdote:

            Mike Krushelnyski was asked to explain how a journeyman checker like him ever managed to score 43 goals in a season. His answer was that he went to the front of the net, and got goals whenever one of Jari Kurri’s slapshots nicked him on the way into the net. Kurri always told him to not move when he was screening the goalie and he wouldn’t be hit, and Krushelnyski said Kurri was always right (something he learned in practice after disbelieving the first couple of weeks as Kurri’s linemate), but sometimes he got bumped an inch or two by the opposing defenceman.

            The end result would be a goal for Krushelnyski and assist for Kurri. :)

          • Bill says:

            Awesome

            Full Breezer 4 Life

    • bwoar says:

      What has that got to do with his ability to coach? Still hoping for an answer from the “Roy has more passion” crowd.

      You named the 2 Cups I’ve seen the Habs win, and I remember them fondly, but I can’t see the connection to Patrick Roy being a good NHL coach.

      “thoroughbred”

      • Chris says:

        Roy’s passion is not what would make him a good coach. Passionate coaches usually have short lifetimes, if they are effective at all.

        The reason I think he will make a great coach is that Roy studied opponents more than any other player in the game. Let me take a detour. Greg Maddux, the surefire Hall of Fame pitcher, was famous for keeping a book on every batter in the National League, charting their tendencies in various situations.

        Roy did the same thing during his career. He had encyclopedic knowledge of what various shooters were likely to do in every situation imaginable. I would argue that he was to goaltending what Roger Neilson was to coaching.

        That attention to detail and preparation will serve him in good stead as a coach. Roy never relied solely on his athleticism or his competitive streak. He also out-thought everybody else in the game.

        Roy has been very successful in Quebec with the Remparts, but there will of course be a huge transition. His power over the players is significantly lessened, and his competitive advantage is no longer there. Now he’s playing for a team that has not been spending to the cap and who have been a bit of a doormat in recent years. He’s got a lot of work to do.

        But Colorado is a much more forgiving market than Montreal, where every move he makes as a coach will be scrutinized, weight and evaluated. His chance to succeed is much better, and if he does eventually make it to Montreal as a head coach it will be with a few years of success at his back.

    • Gally365 says:

      It’s not over yet RON it could still be 35 without a cup.

  19. Mattyleg says:

    Good for Roy.
    Good luck in Colorado, and come on home to Mtl if you prove yourself worthy.

    I’m not really sure why people think that he’d automatically be an amazing coach. He has passion. Wow. Therrien had passion too, and it ran him out of town. Now his passion is under wraps, and we’re thrilled with him. Tortorella has passion and he’s a laughingstock. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Rangers’ late-season success coincided with his star-studded team finally deciding to stop listening to him.

    Off ya go, Paddy, and good luck to yeh.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • bwoar says:

      Some people still equate “wanting to win the most” with “able to make his players better than they are simply by willing it to be so”. It’s like believing that since Santa is magical, he really COULD save the world if it came down to it.

      “thoroughbred”

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …I know if I was Callahan, and hear Tortorella telling the press that any part of My game ‘stinks’, it will affect Me

      …also, Matty, …there is ‘good affirmative passion’ and there is ‘out of Your tree distraction passion’ :)

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Roy seems smart too. At least in interviews.

  20. Maritime Ron says:

    This is the absolute best place for Patrick to start his NHL career.

    - Loved by the fans and media
    - Great memories of 2 Stanley Cups with Sakic
    - Only 1 of 5 former Avalanche players who had their number retired along with Sakic-Forsberg-Borque and Foote.

    - Very little pressure as Denver has The Broncos-the Rockies-The Nuggets-NCAA…vs a certain city in Quebec that that has its sole focus on 1 particular big time Pro team …:-)
    Apologies to Alouette and Impact fans.

    – Only 1 place to go and that’s up with a stable of great young players such as 20 year old Captain Gabriel Landeskog + Duchene, O’Reilly, Stastny and 25 year old goalie Semyon Varlamov who probably can’t wait for Patrick to arrive.

    Add to the the 1st overall Seth Jones….and that may be an assumption as it is well known that Patrick just adores MacKinnon and Drouin
    As for Jones, I knew his dad played NBA for Denver, but was unaware his name was…Popeye. I kid you not.

    • Chris says:

      I agree 100% that this is the best place for Roy to launch his NHL coaching career.

      But like Dale Hunter, Patrick Roy will find that there is a huge difference between being a successful junior coach in a huge market with massive financial advantages over the competition, and being an NHL coach where the playing field is a lot more balanced.

      I actually think Roy will be a very good NHL coach. He was an elite goalie due to ability, but even more so due to his competitive nature and his willingness to learn everything about his opponents. Roy was as much of a stats wonk as you will ever find in an NHL player, and I think this trait will help him in the NHL.

      He’s certainly landing some good talent to start with, and it seems like they are rebuilding that franchise with some of their past greats (Sakic has also come in as an executive this summer).

      I’m not sure that Varlamov is going to be as happy as others believe. Roy is a pretty hard legacy to live up to at the best of times, but now you’ve got to live up to that legacy when Roy himself (who has shown a penchant for dissecting player performances in the past) is the coach.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Hi Chris,

        I closely followed the Caps last year and there was NO WAY Hunter had long term NHL Caps Coach in his mindset.
        He was more about Dale Hunter than he was about the short and long term well being of Ovie and Nicky Backstrom.

        His place will always be a junior coach… and GMGM of the Caps made a very wrong decision bringing him back.

        As for Varlamov, we’ll see.
        This guy has elite written all over him, and Patrick has mellowed over the past few years.
        Let’s see what happens….

  21. Habitant in Surrey says:

    @Sportsfan

    …I can only speak for Myself, but I will definitely not ‘let it be’ :)

  22. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …won’t Marty Brodeur stick out like a sore thumb on the HNIC Studio 42 panel ?

    …He will be the sole credible member of that gaggle

  23. Sportfan says:

    The big question is and I’m not trying to troll at all, but does this mean MT gets put under more pressure? If Roy does amazing in Colorado will people scream foul, or will they just let it be?

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    • Ron says:

      I think MB would be the one under pressure from media types etc more so than MT. MB could have hired PR first. I wonder how many games it will take ( if he is hired ) to lose his cool and get tossed.

    • bwoar says:

      Are you kidding? Miss a chance to bitch and moan about some guy (who’s number I can’t recall) going to some other team, who would so obviously win us a Stanley Cup all on his own, just by pissing his special testosterone into the water bottles each day?

      Who’s gonna pass that up?

      “thoroughbred”

  24. Sportfan says:

    Good for St Pat it’ll be interesting to see how he coaches. In other news Gary Carter to have a street named after him!

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    • bwoar says:

      Good for Gary Carter (RIP), one of the all-time great.

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    • Mattyleg says:

      What I find disappointing is that it’s only a section of the road.
      Check it out on Google maps.
      There may be a mistake, but I think it should be the entire section from the western end to St. Laurent.
      Or the entire g-d street for that matter…

      Faillon: Some cobweb-encrusted Victorian historian.
      Carter: A superstar adored by Montrealers.

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  25. Good Luck 33, you’re gonna need it with that defense.

    So many superstars think they can teach what they know, and so many have failed.

    Drove me crazy watching the Great One in Phoenix try and do his thing with a bunch of third liners.

    I can’t believe they turned me down without even looking at my resume, what’s wrong with these organizations? I’m a freaking legend in my own mind.

    OK where was I…..painting you fool……shut it Ollie! U shut it fatty….someone get me a glass of pepsi please….ok here you go son.

    Boo freakity hooo, why couldn’t we get Clowe? I’ll tell ya why, he was too freakin expensive :lol:

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  26. Habitant in Surrey says:

    I badly wanted Patrick Roy and His royal jelly to return to Our Habs as it’s Coach. I believed He would have returned a sense of passion and distinction that We unfortunately have lost over the years.

    I enjoyed this season because of the pride and enjoyment experienced when Our results far exceed expectations, despite losing the opportunity to draft another badly needed elite talent like Galchenyuk.

    I don’t believe any other coach could have done much better with Our Team considering the overall talent than Michel Therrien

    This is all short-term though, I feel, because Patrick Roy will be an above average, maybe a great coach in the NHL.

    I don’t believe Michel Therrien is or ever will be, because He would have shown it by now.

    So, a mixed feeling today to learn, finally, as expected, Patrick is off to Colorado.

    Glad He is getting the opportunity He deserves, and deep regret He could not bring His charisma back where it belongs.

  27. boottspurr says:

    Do you guys think there will be any sanctions to Grabovsky now that he admitted in an interview that he really did bite Pacioretty, and must have lied in his NHL hearing to get the “not enough evidence” result?

    • neumann103 says:

      There was a hearing? I didn’t think the NHL went that far in their thorough investigation

      “Et le but!”

      • boottspurr says:

        Yeah there was, and there was to be no supplemental discipline due to there not being enough proof that he actually bit him.

      • Ron says:

        If those remarks are true, I bet Garbs will be getting some questionable calls against him this year. Making Shanny and crew look worse than they are ( if thats possible ) is not a good move by him.

  28. donmarco says:

    Sorry to disagree with many of the posters here, but I wish him nothing but abject failure in anything he chooses to do in his career. While I acknowledge that loyalty in sports is a sometimes naïve concept, when you turn your back on your team in such a public fashion it says a lot about who you are and what you stand for. I know the lion’s share of the blame rested with Tremblay, Houle and Corey, but Roy essentially spat on the logo, turned his back on his team mates and completely disregarded the fans who had treated him like a God. May he rot.

    “Fans don’t boo nobodies”. Reggie Jackson

    • The Cat says:

      Roy gave them two Stanley Cups, that means you cant really make an example out of him, especially in front of a public. May Tremblay rot, not Roy.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Les-Habitants says:

      I dunno there…he got left out by Tremblay, and that entire year he was butting heads with one of the worst coaches Montreal has ever had…and that idiot of man than decided to shame his best player for no real reason. Roy brought us more success than any Hab since, and exemplified winning in the last era that actually meant something in Montreal.
      He is a Habs legend, and while his legacy isn’t clean here in Montreal, he still brought us the Cup – twice. His number hangs from the rafters…which in of itself no doubt split fans. But if we forgave LaFleur for playing with the Nordiques, we can forgive Roy.

    • Ferg says:

      Along that same line of thinking, am I mis-remembering when I think that Guy Lafleur pulled on a Rangers jersey at a recognition ceremony for him put on by the Canadiens at the Forum?

      Seems to me that happened but I stand to be corrected if it is not true. Can someone confirm or deny this?

    • kalevine says:

      Roy’s issue was with management not his fans or teammates. It was incredibly poor management , and instead of allowing a few days for everyone to cool off and maybe even sort through the problems, they decided to ship him out of town without delay. Another mistake. Little did we know it would be the kickoff of 2+ decades of futility…and counting.

  29. commandant says:

    With his junior experience, taking over a young team like Colorado is probably a good place to start.

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    • ed says:

      Roy is terrific with the Juniors. He jumps on the ice and there is instant respect – it is like a father’s respect from a young child.

      The relationship between a parent and grown children is completely different, however.

      Roy will do very well with the young players in Colorado, as you mention above.

      He demands and expects total respect and total loyalty – that’s his “thing”; he is a huge believer in “loyalty”.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        So let’s say his goalie skated off the ice and berated him in public, and told him he’d never play for him again – if something like that happened I am guessing Patrick would be upset?

        • ed says:

          yes. very upset. the goalie would be shipped out of town.

          Roy had no respect for Tremblay as a coach. That was at the core of their dispute, and it had started well before that game vs detroit.

          • Cal says:

            It began the moment Roy heard who the new management team was. However, the early success the team had with Tremblay made some people believe he was a good coach. Definitely not the case. These days, after many years with Lemaire, Tremblay would be a good assistant coach.

          • Chris says:

            If the background chatter is correct, the Roy issues were circulating long before Tremblay came in. He was just the straw that broke the camel’s back.

            Demers, while winning a Stanley Cup, also has on his record that he was the coach that let Patrick Roy become bigger than the team. I think Savard knew what was coming, as he was trying to deal Roy before his dismissal (the rumour was Roy for Fiset and Nolan). I have also heard Roy for Vernon, straight up. Either way, the Habs would have been just as badly off. Fiset ended up flaming out (despite perhaps the best World Junior performance I can remember seeing) as a #1 goalie. Nolan would have been a nice addition, but he wouldn’t have made the defence better, which is what killed the mid-late 1990′s Canadiens.

            They instead dumped Savard and Demers, bringing in a disciplinarian (Tremblay) as coach. Roy and Tremblay were the alpha dogs in a dressing room that can only tolerate one (the coach).

            And Roy, who is one of the shrewdest hockey minds in recent memory, was notoriously fickle about his personal stats and his legacy. He had to see that the trades of Desjardins and Schneider (the latter being linked to fights with Roy) meant that the Canadiens run as a defensive power was over.

            The end result was basically inevitable.

          • Bill says:

            Chris, that is an interesting reply. You make excellent points, but I just don’t know if I can agree that the end result was inevitable. I think there are always ways to make difficult relationships work.

            I am sure that every NHL coach of a good team with great players has his share of conflicts. It’s something that can be resolved, and should be if it is in the best interests of the whole team.

            There is no way out of recognizing that Tremblay’s decision to leave Roy in during the Detroit game was a bad one. If Roy said, “Take me out,” then there are other ways to address the insubordination than public humiliation.

            Unfortunately, Tremblay had no strategies to deploy, because he was 100% unprepared to coach in the NHL. Basically, the whole thing should never have happened because Tremblay and Houle should never have been in the situation they were in! It’s an abject failure on the part of the execrable Ronald Corey.

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          • kalevine says:

            I’m no Corey apologist. But to be fair, he was trying what had worked before. Bringing in former Habs who had been involved in cup winning teams during the glory years, and hopeing the magic would rub off. The fact the Rejean Houle wasn’t even a smart hockey player should not have been lost on Corey, and it was really Houle who inflicted the long term damage. He knew so little about league talent that he kept re-acquiring ex Habs long past their best before date, sort of what Bergevin has been doing lately…oops

  30. Mr_MacDougall says:

    I love the draft talk…

    I think the Habs should make some noise..

    maybe try to snag Edm 7th pick, then use that pick to move up to 2nd or 3rd.

    It could be done, but would likely require taking back some very bad contracts…

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    • mksness says:

      i would rather be talking about the habs in the playoffs but i guess the draft talk is alright

    • Landof10000lakesHab says:

      Clicked on your profile – nice to see your from my home town.

      Your recomending moves for our Habs to move up to a top 3 pick on your recent posts. I would not likely be the only one here to tell you that there is almost a zero chance of this occuring, based on review of the last 10 years of drafts. Not only are these other teams chomping at the bits to draft cornerstone players, but there is also the ELC $$ value for these Cap strapped teams.

      Habs need to continue the slow & steady approach that we have seen from MB thus far.

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        Yeah, I’m kind of for the slow and steady approach, at the same time realize that this team will not be a credible contender until/if Galchenyuk is leading the way offensively, and that is at least a couple of years away.

        It is unlikely for the Habs to move up to the top of the draft, but is it possible? I am more dreaming when I comment about this, thinking of a possible scenario.. Was thinking that maybe Edmonton would part with the 7th for player(s) that are NHL ready and maybe another pick.. obviously they need D, perhaps Gorges, Tinordi, Beaullieu and Emilin would be of interest. It is possible, but likely? not sure. Assuming that happened, could the second pick be had Fla with a package including the 7th? I dunno… dreaming about a Chucky MacKinnon duo haha

        It is nice to see the team trending upward though.

    • Chris says:

      There is almost no way that anybody in this draft is trading a top-10 pick. If a pick like that goes, it is going to take something awfully special to do it.

      2012

      Columbus REJECTED New York’s offer of the #4, #34, #65, #125, #155, and #185 picks for #2 pick.

      #8 pick, Brandon Sutter, and Brian Demoulin for Jordan Staal

      #11 pick (Filip Forsberg) and 2013 2nd round pick (which will be high second round) for Semyon Varlamov

      That Varlamov trade was a fleecing. I have no idea what Colorado was thinking.

      I also can’t believe that Scott Howson turned down that offer. The gap between Ryan Murray, who he selected, and any other defenceman was not big at all, and the huge number of later round picks could have given them a bunch of depth. This is why Scott Howson is no longer an NHL GM.

      2011

      #8 pick (Sean Couturier), #68 pick (Nick Cousins) and Jakub Voracek for Jeff Carter

      #9 pick (Dougie Hamilton), 2010 #2 pick (Tyler Seguin) and 2010 #32 pick (Jared Knight) for Phil Kessel

      #11 pick (Duncan Siemens), Erik Johnson and Jay McClement for Kevin Shattenkirk, Chris Stewart and #32 pick (Ty Rattie)

      Toronto’s trade looks terrible, but they made that deal a year earlier and never dreamed that they would be in a lottery position. Even with Kessel, one of the game’s best snipers, no GM makes that trade when they KNOW they have the #2 overall pick.

      2010

      #2 pick (already mentioned above)

      #13 pick (Brandon Gormley), Brandon Prust and Matthew Lombardi for Olli Jokinen and 2009 #67 pick (Josh Birkholz)

      Three drafts, hardly any pick movement at the top end save for in deals that involved some pretty heavy talent. The only exception was the Semyon Varlamov trade.

      I keep seeing people trying to trade up into the top three. Forget it folks…there is no way it is happening unless somebody like Subban, Pacioretty or Price was being shipped out of town. And that isn’t happening.

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        I’d trade Patch in a heartbeat to move to the top 2.

        • Chris says:

          I wouldn’t.

          I know what Pacioretty is…he’s a top-30 point scorer in back-to-back seasons (he actually finished 34th this year, but he missed 4 games and was wracked with injuries) and a 30-goal scorer.

          The #2 is not in play. Colorado is almost certain to take Seth Jones #1, and Florida is definitely going to take Nathan MacKinnon at #2. Tampa Bay have had great success with a smallish French-Canadian winger (Martin St. Louis) and Jonathan Drouin is a perfect successor.

          There are no guarantees that these guys will be as good as Pacioretty. The step from junior to the NHL is so big that a lot of players that look like stars in junior end up being role players in the NHL.

          More importantly, there is no chance that they are even remotely in play. So there is no point in even contemplating it.

  31. HabinBurlington says:

    So I appreciate the new poll question being relevant, but again in my opinion the question is worded to vaguely. Perhaps it could be, Do you think Patrick Roy will have success in his first stint as a head coach in the NHL?

    And while my grammar is pathetic to start with, shouldn’t the question be, “will have” as opposed to “would have”

  32. SlimDiggity says:

    I haven’t seen much talk about Tokarski since we acquired him. I haven’t seen him play much so I’m wondering if there is some glaring flaw in his game that I don’t know about.

    Looking at his credentials, you’d think he was a future NHL starter. Memorial cup winner, WJC Gold medal, Calder cup winner and MVP of playoffs.

    His stats in the AHL are good and to me it seems like Tampa rushed him. With as porous as their defense has been in recent years you can see why his NHL stats have suffered.

    He’s only 23, and as we know most goalies don’t come into their own until their mid-twenties or later. Did Tampa give up on him too soon? They got an older, career AHLer in return, so it seems like he held little value to them and I’m wondering why? I realize he’s slightly undersized, but there’s been plenty of good NHL goalies his size and he’s seen as a battler. Surely he could at least become an NHL backup?

    • Bill says:

      Tokarski has a very similar track record to what Price had, and I am sure he views himself as an NHL-calibre goalie. I think the Habs have the luxury right now of playing wait and see.

      Tokarski is only 23 and another couple of years in the AHL will certainly not hurt him. He’s probably the back-up after Budaj leaves.

      Great to have him on the farm, the Habs were not looking good in terms of goalie prospects before they got him and signed that Princeton kid.

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  33. 100HABS says:

    You know, you look at St-Pat’s final two years, both 63 games played, great winning percentage, 0.920 and 0.925 save percentage. I couldn’t understand it then and I don’t understand it now: WHY did he retire at 38?

    He had 2-3 stellar years left in him for sure…

  34. billylove says:

    Are we gonna have to look at that 6 -1 score all summer? Time for the scoreboard to go lights out till next season, PLEASE.

  35. Gally365 says:

    Good for ROY. Hope he does good in Colorado like he did as a Goaltender.

    I like what MB is gonna do with the Habs. Build within. No more bringing in other teams castoffs. If it takes longer to win a cup. So be it. At least we’ll have a winning team in place for years to come.

    Let’s see if he sticks to his words ….

    • issie74 says:

      Agreed … I would rather have our players grow together as a team.

      Why would the Habs take on someone else bad contracts ever?

      Every team has to get down to 64 million in cap this year.

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  36. Savardian Spinorama says:

    Good on Patrick! I wish him well. Interesting how few NHL goalies have ever been head coaches in the league. I can only think of three: Gerry Cheevers, Eddie Johnston, and Glen Hanlon. Wonder why that is? Does the position attract personality types that aren’t conducive to coaching — i.e., too cerebral (think Ken Dryden), introspective (Dryden again), wacky (think Tim Thomas), or arrogant (think Glenn Healey)?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Emile “The Cat” Francis did it also. I guess honourable mention to John Davidson and Jimmy Rutherfor who went from goalie to Front Office but never did the coaching thing.

      • Savardian Spinorama says:

        How could I forget the Cat! Longest tenure and best winning % of the bunch. I remember his Rangers teams of the early to mid 70s (dating myself). Loads of talent but underachievers in the playoffs…somethings never change, huh?

    • kalevine says:

      Timmy should get a gig on Fox News pretty soon

    • Strummer says:

      Goalies usually opt for analyst gigs on HNIC

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      • kalevine says:

        Hmm, TT on HNIC? Kind of fits the bill – ex Bruin, ultra conservative, dislikes the Habs and hates PK, and Cherry won’t last forever. Maybe just a subtle change to goalie’s corner will do the trick

        • Savardian Spinorama says:

          LOL!

          • Savardian Spinorama says:

            By the way, I find Kelly Hrudey very fair and pretty insightful. Same with Kevin Weekes. Marc Denis on RDS is really good too. Of course, all of them being former goalies.

        • GrosBill says:

          Have to say, when I think of a potential loud mouth to replace Cherry on Coaches Corner, there is one name that always pops into mind: Torts.
          It may be a problem that he is not Canadian but he definately shares alot in common with Cherry.

      • Savardian Spinorama says:

        True, which suggests they have a good understanding of the game (Glen Healey notwithstanding. Can you tell I’m not a fan?) Same deal with baseball catchers. They too seem over represented in the broadcast booth. I wonder if it carries over to managing? (Don’t know the game well enough to say so I googled it. Turns out that as of 2009, there have been 13 former catchers who went on to manage. Doesn’t sound like a lot.)

  37. Propwash says:

    Brace yourselves for the “Habs should have hired Roy” rants.

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  38. commandant says:

    So many conflicting reports.

    He makes sense as head coach, but lots of denials out there too.

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  39. Cal says:

    Glad that Roy is getting his shot in Colorado and not Montreal. Too many francophone rookie coaches and one that was too old to change (JM).

    I see Brodeur is going to be on SNL, oops, HNIC. Apparently, he is going to give his take on the game from a not-Bruin point of view which will totally eff up the gang at SNL- oops, HNIC.

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  40. Ncognito says:

    Will Roy express who he likes for 1st overall? Being from the Q I would have to believe he would love to have MacKinnon.

  41. jo_maka says:

    The Avs squad is young and Roy fits the bill. For once, a high-profile francophone coach will get his first chance in another market than Mtl. We’ll be happy to have them once they’re seasoned and we see they got the goods.

    Let him make his rookie mistakes somewhere else first
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    • Bill says:

      I see both he and MT in their respective positions for the long haul. Colorado will let Roy grow with the club, and Therrien will certainly finish his contract in Montreal and probably extend … barring disaster.

      I say this because clubs look to be in a growth/rebuild phase … certainly Bergevin is on record as saying he wants to build the club slowly from within. Colorado certainly seems to be in the same position. Wouldn’t make a lot of sense to be making frequent coaching changes under that scenario.

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      • Kooch7800 says:

        I hope MB sticks to his plan and does build from within. That isn’t easy to do when you have a rabid fan base that demands wins

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

        • kalevine says:

          that “rabid fan base that demands wins” seemed surprisingly content with an embarrassing first round exit, so I think he has some time, as long as improvement is slow and steady and manifests itself in some passable playoff performances within the next couple of years, rather than strikingly unsustainable regular season success

  42. HABSsince92 says:

    Well if this turns out to be true it looks like the Avs will be my “Western Conference team” again just like they were in the late 90′s early 00′s with both Roy and Sakic back in the fold.

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    PK please sign.

  43. La Duke 16 says:

    third

  44. Fransaskois says:

    First?


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