Parros released from hospital; out indefinitely

The Canadiens announced an update on George Parros’s medical condition Wednesday morning, saying he has been released from hospital, has a concussion and will be out indefinitely.

Parros was engaging in his second fight of the night with Toronto’s Colton Orr when he lost his balance and landed face first on the ice during Tuesday’s season-opening 4-3 loss to the Maple Leafs.

“He has a concussion and he’s in the hospital,” coach Michel Therrien told reporters after the game. “He showed a lot of character and it was just bad luck.”

Parros had to be stabilized and taken taken from the ice on a gurney, but the Canadiens said he was alert when he was taken to the dressing room. He was then transported to the hospital where he was held overnight for observation. The preliminary indications were that he didn’t reinjure his shoulder. He underwent rotator cuff surgery in the off-season.

“We’ve seen too many of those incidents in this building,” said Lars Eller, who suffered a concussion last year when he was hit by Ottawa’s Eric Gryba. “When you see something like that, you just hope that he’s okay and you think about his family. When that happens, you try to refocus but it’s hard to think about hockey.”

Parros sent out a tweet Wednesday morning, writing: “Thanks for all the well wishes everyone #classyfollowers”

You can follow Parros on Twitter by clicking here.

The Canadiens have the day off Wednesday and will practise Thursday afternoon in Lac-Megantic. Their next game is Saturday night at the Bell Centre against the Philadelphia Flyers.

(Photo by Richard Wolowicz/Getty Images)

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  1. Alvin says:

    There have been some deaths already due to hockey related injuries or cardio arrests, whatever. Injuries happen when there are grown men flying about the ice at break neck speeds, brandishing 5 foot pieces of wood ( carbon fiber ) and shooting a 6 oz piece of solid rubber all over the playing surface at 100 mph. In the heat of the battle tempers flare and fights break out. Been that way since the sport has been played.
    It doesn;t really matter if a death would occur at the peeway, midget, junior, beer league or on national tv. It’s still a death playing a game. There are a lot of sports where possible death is on the menu. If you want speed and skill perhaps your tv service provider can hook you up with some Euro hockey.If you want speed and skill, bone rattling body checks, the occasional tooth or pool of blood on the ice and a fight every now and then here’s the NHL for ya. People, what are the penalties called eh? Tripping, slashing, spearing,elbowing, boarding, cross checking, high sticking. Get the picture.? There’s nothing new in this era of hockey that wasn’t happening back in 1927 except of course they didn’t have the pain saving, protective equipment that the players have now. Turn away from your tv when a fight breaks out. Don’t watch it. Maybe the tv cameras shouldn’t show the fights. Maybe the station can go to commerical when a fight breaks out.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Occasional fights? What games are you watching? Teams hire goons whose only purpose is to fight which leads other teams to hire their own goons to counter this. The majority of fights have nothing or little to do with frustration or anger on the ice. Oh the game has changed.

      • Alvin says:

        Nah I don’t think so. It’s just become specialized.
        Penalty killers, shut down d men, pure goal scorers, play makers , face off guys, shot blockers, grinders, fighters.
        Goons….well they fight for less than 2 minutes and then they’re gone. Or they come back and have another go. After those few minutes hockey is played. Hockey fights take up less than 10 percent of playing time.

  2. zorro says:

    Here’s what bothers me about the fighting debate. A few ( maybe 5 years ago) the number of fights was going down, it seemed that dressing 4th line meat heads who only stepped on the ice for three shifts (4 min. per game) was only taking up the spot of a younger up and coming skilled player, who could one day play more minutes on a top three line. But along came ex Leaf manager Brian Burke and decided that you could’nt be successful unless your team had ” truculence” . So now all teams( Ottawa Buffalo Montreal) have had to stock up on knuckles and meatheads to run around and intimidate all skaters on opposing squads. Meaningless fights like the second Orr Parros tilt only ruined an entertaining evening. Why were 5, 6 fights necessary? The Leafs led the league in fights and threaten to ruin the sport. Imagine if Mcleran and Clarkson would have dressed last night? Maybe 7,8 fights?
    Thanks for the return of GOON hockey Mr. Burke and Carlyle. Thanks for the return of a Bush league. May your teams never win another game.
    Hope the league gets a grip of this and comes to its senses.
    Get well soon George.

  3. johnnylarue says:

    Right. So what I want to see is an intelligent rebuttal to J.T.’s piece.

    I want someone–someone who feels so strongly that fighting is integral to the game of hockey, that hockey would cease to be hockey were it to be removed–to write a cogent, well-reasoned argument in defense of fighting.

    This isn’t a challenge, per se. I genuinely want to try to understand the other perspective, even if I don’t agree with it.

    Any takers? Come on, walk me through this.

    • habs1992 says:

      I already have, I am pro for fighting, I understand the need for it , the grass is not always greener on the other side.

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    • Ron says:

      That’s just starting some more bull crap Ted. About time people let this go and talked about the actual players and team etc. Fighting isn’t going away no matter how much any blogger or news media print up a storm to be heard. Soon the unpleasant remarks lead to people loosing their cool and the insults are going to get out of hand. Stoking the fire for say.

    • Garbo says:

      Why should we care if they don’t. The only people that it hurts is the enforcers. You suggest that you know better than them and they should be out of job in order for you to protect them.

      It should be up to them. If they value millions of dollars versus a couple of potential concussions, who are you to dictate how they earn a livelihood.

      Edit: I am not necessarily pro-fighting. I am indifferent. I just don’t see why we would spend any time concerned about this, when its ultimately up to the players.

  4. naweed235 says:

    Since Moen started out in Montreal, he only had one bad season and it was last year. Other than that, he’s been extremely consistent in playing solid hockey and answering the bell when need be. Has it crossed your mind that maybe he was not 100% last year? People are extremely quick to dismiss a player in Habs land.
    From what I’ve seen so far (including preseason) he’s been looking more like his old self. Mind you, the sample size is very small

    • johnnylarue says:

      He’s also responding directly to an allegedly stern conversation with his GM, which probably began something like, “Travis, are you happy in Montreal?”

  5. CHicoHab says:

    PK didn’t start anything. Any defence men on 29 other teams will try to remove an opposing player that crashes or enters their goalies crease. Orr skidded into the crease and he was wrestled out of there. Happens a million times in a game. Now because it’s Subban who does it last night and a fight breaks out and our guy gets hurt it’s all Subbans fault. Give me a break.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Orr was out there for one and only one purpose only. To goon it up. The league not only tolerates these goons to go after the games stars but now encourages other teams to hire goons to offset other goons. It seems pretty obvious to me what has happened here. And don’t bring up the friggin broad street bullies. The league and all other teams stood up against that crap then. It is doing no such thing today.

  6. Bill says:

    Post of the beast?

    EDIT: Aww, just missed.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  7. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Do any of you anti-fighting in hockey people know how many people get hurt/die skiing every year? Skateboarding? Bicycling? Just regular folks. Not getting a dime for their efforts. Far more than in all of organized hockey. Heck, hockey and football put together, I’ll wager. I’ll also wager once fighting is eliminated, the voices will start crying to remove hitting of any kind. After all someone could get hurt and who’d miss it? Neanderthals like me and Don Cherry?
    You pays your money and you takes your chances. Most of us would give our eye teeth to play one game in today’s NHL. Just as it is. If you don’t like NHL hockey the way it’s played why not demand a channel devoted to women’s hockey. NBC. No fights. Very safe and little to no violence unless accidental.
    The whiners on this forum, if given their way, would ruin everything they touch. It’s a very good thing that the only thing they get to do is … whine about things.

    There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk.

    • habs1992 says:

      +1 this is what I mean and so many people just die doing there jobs. But no one makes a big deal about them, it is unfair how some people are held to being more better then other people in this world. There is a bigger problem then wether fighting should be allowed or not.

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    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      “If you don’t like NHL hockey the way it’s played why not demand a channel devoted to women’s hockey?”

      The irony of that statement after sarcastically referring to yourself as a Neanderthal is brilliant.

      • habs1992 says:

        Its true though Ghosts eliminate fighting and then the media will be on to something else, and the next thing will be hitting where you can only hit in a “strike zone” they will call it and then that will be near the end of hockey as we know it.

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        • Ghosts of the Forum says:

          I gotta run (work over), but just quickly:

          a) Assessing a match penalty for fighting is not eliminating it
          b) It’s not the media that drives this argument, it’s a good and valid discussion that is happening around the league, amongst fans and is reflected in the media (as it should be)
          c) ‘hockey as we know it’ is nothing like hockey as it was originally conceived. The game is always going to evolve based on numerous factors (getting an American TV audience, player safety, etc., etc,). And there’s nothing wrong with that (well, the latter anyway).

          That said, since I have to run, a diversity of opinions is always a good thing, very much respect yours!


        • Bill says:

          Have you got anxiety or something?

          No one is saying checking should be taken out of the game. It’s a baloney argument to say that people who don’t like fighting are a bunch of sissies who also want to eliminate ALL CONTACT IN HOCKEY.

          It would be like me saying that if the pro-fighting guys have their way, next thing players will be allowed to use knives and guns on the ice. It’s that stupid.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Thomas Le Fan says:

        De nada. No irony or sarcasm intended. I yam what I yam and am unashamed. Go Habs!

        There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk.

      • Mr. Biter says:

        Oh yes, women Hockey where the slapshots are measured to 13 year boys. Oh yes they also wear cages and watch the stickwork behind the play. Kessel would be laughed out of womens hockey for his lame attempts vs. Scott.

        Mr. Biter
        No Guts No Glory

  8. Blade says:

    I found the Habs were in control of that game until the shorthanded goal. Definitely had a chance to win up to that point. Then Parros goes down and a pretty sickening feeling after that…couldn’t really care if they won or lost after that. Things definitely need to be adjusted in time for Saturday, but they are things that can be done.

    Looking forward to enjoying the entire game Saturday, win or lose.

  9. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …I think there is a necessity to certain fighting in NHL hockey, but I got to quibble with some of You Guys vaunting Colton Orr

    …Colton Orr is a premeditated ‘hurter’

    …He goes out on the ice ‘looking’ for a vulnerable player in a vulnerable position …his intent is not to kill, but it is to hurt

    …invite him over to Your house for dinner and introduce him to Your daughters if You are infatuated with him all you want

    …but, to Me, it’s the Colton Orrs of the NHL that keeps the legality of ‘fighting’ a necessity in the NHL

    • Bill says:

      Agree with the first four things you said completely. Remember what he did to Plekanec and Bourque last year. He’s a thug. People are acting like he’s St. Peter just because he waved for a trainer … wow.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        …and, to set Your mind at ease, I won’t take those shots You took at Me in the last thread personally 🙂

        • Bill says:

          Hmm. Did I take shots at you?? Surely not!

          EDIT: Apologies if I offended you, unintentional. I am never thinking of guys like you when I decry the moribund stupidity that passes for comment on HIO. You’re one of the good guys.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

          • Habitant in Surrey says:

            …last night was frustrating, I would write a medium size thought/opinion on the sujet-du-jour from last night’s game and continually have it ‘disappear’ when attempting to post

            …for some reason the HIO filter would accept a couple short blurbs but not the longer, therefore I may have sounded a bit incoherent 🙂

            …though, ‘incoherent’ is My trade mark, n’est–ce pas? 🙂

    • Odie24 says:

      So what you’re saying is, he knows his role, and he does it well. Too bad some of the Habs don’t understand that ethos.

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        ,,,premeditated intent to hurt/physically damage another player in a vulnerable location is vile

        …if someone like Orr ran at Me to hurt Me, above and beyond a hockey play I will be looking for blood

        …it’s such unconscionable and low-class intent that leads to uptick the violence

        …get the Orrs out of hockey, and We will reduce fighting in the NHL considerably

  10. 416erHabsFan says:

    Does anybody else kind of partially blame P.K for the Parros injury? There is no way in hell that he would ever grab Orr by the face like he did If Parros wasn’t on the ice. It was totally unnecessary of P.K to start s**t like he did. (with Orr at least)

    • johnnylarue says:

      Absolutely. Because God knows, once PK touches Orr in the face, Orr is 100% absolved of any responsibility for what ensues.

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      No. Besides, I think PK could take Orr.

      There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk.

    • Bill says:

      People who like goons are always saying that having one in the line-up allows guys like PK to play tougher, i.e., do exactly what he did. Its one of the points of having an enforcer, apparently. So it seems a lot odd to blame PK for doing what people say having Parros is meant to allow him to do.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  11. HardHabits says:

    Forget about eliminating fighting… bring back the roamer!!!


  12. habs1992 says:

    “We’ll play with a tennis ball before we take fighting out of the game” Kevin Bieksa

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  13. rhino514 says:

    Defence is soft. Forwards are good. Parros out is a non-factor.
    The goal is to stay above five hundred till Emelin gets back.
    If he´s himself, defence then becomes average. Forwards remain very good. Team overall becomes good.

    Glad to see Moen involved. Tired of seeing Prust playing hurt. Team needs him.

    • habs1992 says:

      Moen played great last night, loved what I seen out of him. True leader, sticking up for his teammate great to see. That earns respect in the room.

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  14. HabFab says:

    Hard to hate Orr after watching his reaction when Parros went down… just saying!!!

  15. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    All for an open debate on the role of fighting in hockey, but a few arguments drive me mental:

    “It’s always been a part of the game”

    The “no forward pass in the offensive zone” used to ‘always be a part of the game. And C-forms — though we should bring them back 😉

    “Cheap shots will increase”

    Where is the evidence that there are more cheap shots in Int’l hockey? (Cherry and Stock do not count as expert witnesses)

    Be willing to bet big money there are way more cheap shots in the NHL.

    “The players want it in the game”

    And I want a four hour lunch break.

    “The players are men, they understand the risks”

    Simply stating that someone is willing to do something doesn’t mean they’re entitled to.

    That said, debates about the state of the game are good and healthy. As you were!

    Go Habs!!

    • habs1992 says:

      So Cherry and Stock have no say and 98% of the other people that play the game have no say, all for a good argument but how many NHL games have you played? And you say you hate when people say that for their arguments lol those are the biggest reasons, its just like me saying I hate when people use that you could get killed in a fight, no other sport has it. That is the whole point of a debate. KEEP FIGHTING IN THE GAME.

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      • Ghosts of the Forum says:

        In fairness, the fact that people have died in a fight [Don Sanderson] or have had significant brain damage that is believed to have led to untimely deaths [Probert and others] is a more compelling argument than “Cherry knows hockey”.

        That said, yes, I do believe that Cherry and Stock should have no say in NHL rules.

        I do believe the players should, but my point is that simply because they want to have it in the game doesn’t mean it should be or has to be. That’s not an end game argument. But of course they should be involved in the discourse.

        • habs1992 says:

          And my argument would be it is never from a punch to the head, its from your head hitting the ice, this could happen from a hip check or a hit to the head and your head hits the ice, similar to what happened to Eller last year, it was not from a fight. I just believe once we ban fighting which I think will happen, where does it end, it will be just a matter of time before even hitting is gone. Media will ruin the game.
          Just my opinion
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        • Bill says:

          Relying on Don Cherry and PJ Stock to back up an opinion … enough said.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

          • habs1992 says:

            They played the game, again we could have this debate forever, pretty obvious our opinions wont change lol.

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          • Thomas Le Fan says:

            Right. We could rely on … Bill.

            There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk.

          • Bill says:

            Ok Thomas, what do you think about what Yzerman said then? Is he a credible enough source for you?

            Full Breezer 4 Life

          • boing007 says:

            Cherry and Stock. Two of hockey’s greatest stars.

            Richard R

  16. stevieray says:

    I find it interesting that the first person to ask for help and show some concern was Orr…

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      It was good, but I mean, if the standard is that he didn’t continue to punch a guy who was clearly unconscious in the head, we’re in more trouble than I thought….

  17. habs1992 says:

    @Bill As I understand it, headshots are NOT illegal I believe that as long as the head is not the Principle point of contact that headshot is allowed, example a player hits another player shoulder to shoulder and then his shoulder rides up and hits his head, this deemed to be a legal clean hit.

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    • Bill says:

      The difference is if you intend to target the head or not. You won’t get suspended if it’s deemed that the player who got hit changed position or otherwise made it impossible to avoid the head.

      And it’s an important difference. If they wanted to get rid of “intentional” punches to the head and allow “accidental” ones to make it exactly like head-checking, okay, that’d be a start.

      Point is, you are not allowed to target the head with a check, but are with a fist. It’s inconsistent and makes no sense, as Yzerman said.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  18. db says:

    I agree with the game misconduct for fighting.. I don’t think I would care if it was out of the game. If that was the case then I’m sure the penalty would be a misconduct and suspension since fights may still happen… I like the way the Habs and Wings play more than the after whistle intimidation style, but I get it…

  19. John Q Public says:

    So Parros had his Bell rung.
    See photo above.
    He’ll recover.

  20. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    One thing that does bother me is the notion that “every time something like this happens, the debate about fighting reopens…” as a negative thing.

    Regardless of opinion, debating these issues is always healthy and good. Sort of like the open discourse on whether DD should be kept on as a waterboy or shot out of a cannon down Rue St. Laurent

  21. Supersonic says:

    Before thinking of taking fighting out of the game maybe they should start by applying the rules. Hockey is the only sport where one is allowed to punch, shove, take down or face wash an opponnent without any consequence. Look at all the scrums after the whistle. how many times a player gets a penalty for roughing because of retaliation but no call on the instigator? If you’re in the goalies face it’s ok to get punched and pushed and slammed onto the ice.The NFL or NBA allows none of that

    Those are all things that lead to fights. Take that out and I suspect fights go down.

  22. John Frodo says:

    I would like to see Paros retire.

  23. Haberoooo13 says:

    As I sit in this crazy Phoenix heat, interesting that the usual pro-fight and anti-smurf crowd are still sticking with their guns (and they are totally in their rights to).

    And we are soft and small and injury-prone…looking at the guys hurt (or partially hurt): Murray, Emelin, Parros, Patch, Drewiske, Prust…

    Only point is MOAR size does not guarantee health!
    OK another point…guys do get hurt fighting, guys are trying to punch bare-knuckle in the head, but planned head shots are supposed to be an automatic game and league review?

    Back to cold beer, hot pool and hot…

    Na Na Na Les Canadiens Les Canadiens.

  24. Habfan10912 says:

    Attempting to beat Frank to a link.
    ESPN takes on the fighting argument.

  25. aemarchand11 says:

    Parros is a pretty lucky guy considering the circumstances. He is a beast of a man, and to have all of that weight drive down and only have a concussion is pretty remarkable. I would have thought a neck injury for sure as well, or jaw damage at a minimum.

    If it is solely a concussion, and he doesnt suffer lasting symtoms, he could be back in the lineup for Edmonton/Vancouver. Thats just crazy to think about, but Eller was close to coming back in the playoffs and we all know how bad his hit was as well.

    Regardless, speedy recovery to the Violent Gentleman.

  26. The Dude says:

    After reviewing last nights Parros incident ,I have concluded that the Nerf peoples be hired to reinvent Ice.

  27. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Scotty Bowman wants fighting out of the game. Good enough for me.

    Give them a match penalty, legit fights will still happen at times, with both players knowing the consequences, the staged stuff will be gone and we can get back to watching hockey.

  28. ClutchNGrab says:

    You have two NFL teams A and B, each having an enforcer. Enforcer B tackle QB A after the whistle. Enforcer A doesn’t like it. They both face each other remove their helmet and start punching each other in the face until one fall. Fight is over, play continues.

    Somebody needs to explain to me what fights bring to a team sport that has to do with skating after a puck, running after or with a ball that couldn’t be resolve with a more efficient system of arbitration.

    Is our satisfaction after a fight so much more important than protecting players from themselves ?

    • habs1992 says:

      You cant compare 2 different sports, apple and oranges are foods but are not comparable either

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      • Haberoooo13 says:

        Perhaps but many of the pro-fight crowd like to say that this isn’t soccer…
        Back to cold beer, hot pool and hot…

        Na Na Na Les Canadiens Les Canadiens.

      • Bill says:

        You can obviously compare two different contact sports. Why on earth not? Saying “apples and oranges” is just a meaningless cop-out.

        It would be hard to compare contact team sports with, say, golf. But not with each other, not in the specific case of debating fighting.

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        • Haberoooo13 says:

          As an aside, ever notice whenever a Canadian golfer gets airtime on tv the announcers will always get around to saying that such and such golfer is from Canada and was a hockey player…
          He slapshotted the ball right onto the ggreen.

          Na Na Na Les Canadiens Les Canadiens

      • You can compare AND contrast apples and oranges.

        One’s often red and the other is orange, they’re both fruit and both make a cool sound when struck at high velocity with a bat.



    • Alvin says:

      In the NFL they don’t fight. They knee each other in the groin, face mask, blind side, crack back block, whip tackle, hit late, pile on and many other nasty bits to exact revenge. I like your scenario though.
      A 300 pound enforcer could be a good thing.

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      QBs would be a lot safer. I think you may be on to something.

      There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk.

  29. Unfortunately, fighting in hockey is a necessary evil. We can’t not have someone who can drop them with the heavyweights or we’ll keep on seeing what happened in last year’s playoffs.

    I’m all for keeping the integrity of the game, but to be honest, if I want to watch good fighting, I’ll tune into MMA or some other full contact fighting sport. Hockey fights aren’t usually much to look at.


    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      I’m not sure how fighting would’ve helped us in the playoffs?

      Size, for sure…winning puck battles, playing physical…but don’t get the correlation between fighting and winning? (particularly since we won every fight last night and lost the game)

      • I don’t believe I said anything about fighting helping us win. Not sure it could even be implied necessarily. It would have helped us not get our @$$es handed to us, which may or may not have affected the outcome of the series. Personally I think we outplayed the Sens for most of the series, but all anyone talks about is how we got manhandled.

        What I did mean to say is that, unless the NHL cleans up the game and holds the refs to higher standards of consistency and professionalism, we’re either going to have to take care of ourselves or be taken along for a bumpy ride. I’d rather see speed and skill over borderline hits and thuggery, but I don’t get to make that call.


    • Bill says:

      If we don’t have someone who can drop ’em with the heayweights we’ll keep seeing what we saw in last year’s playoffs …

      First of all, isn’t that what we saw last night?

      Second of all, are you saying that if we’d had Parros, we would have won that Ottawa series because he would have fought their heavyweight? Because I really don’t see that.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • piper says:

        Bill, what i saw last night was an enforcer stepping up to protect a star team mate. Isn’t that what we needed last year?

      • Let me clarify.

        1. I’m not a fan of fighting in hockey.

        2. Certain other teams are stocked with goons who only want to fight and/or thug it up.

        3. Unless you have someone on your team that can stand up to the goons, your team will be gooned–see last year’s playoffs.

        4. Until the league cleans up its act, you have to have the one from column 3 to counter the one from column 2. If not, you’ll not only lose games, but you’ll become those other teams’ b!t(h.


  30. JO says:

    What would be wrong with speed, skill, and finesse in hockey and we could see some of those small players put on a show. wow that would be something to watch instead of seeing a player lying on the ice not knowing if he’s gonna survive from a hit or a fight.

    Skill, speed, and finesse would still fill the arenas and the fans would enjoy a game just as much or more knowing no player is gonna get hurt unless it’s an accident and to see how the game is supposed to be played … Nothing is more beautiful to watch than speed and skill “The Flower comes to mind”

  31. habs1992 says:

    I hate the argument about what will it take someone dying on the ice, you can say this about anything in life. Also how many fights has there been in the NHL 200000000000, not 1 death, I like my chances with those odds, if we have ban fighting i have list of things we can ban with it. Nascar or any racecar driving, if fighting is illiegal so is driving 200 km an hour, Id also like to see pitchers in baseball wear shields, hitting out of football, and in Soccer only allowed 10 minutes on field time per game.], bobsledding, skiiing.
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    • Ian Cobb says:

      Never had 250 lbs and 6ft 6 tall players going this speed on ice before my friend. Just asking for a death!

      No red line and more rules that have sped up the game in the past few years.! A lot more broken bodies in the new NHL.

      • habs1992 says:

        I agree, that is why i believe it is a matter of time a hit will tragically take someones life on the ice. People want speed, speed and more speed, but sometimes don’t understand what happens when you do this.

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  32. thebonscott says:

    i’d like to play
    team red
    bourque-pleks-tarnasky (or aliu, a standout at bulldogs camp)
    moen-bournival-parros (or white)

    against team white
    pacioretty DD briere
    bourque pleks gionta
    EGG line
    moen prust white

    and see who wins, who do you think? and think playoffs?

    For the sake of all that is right, please put the comment box on upper right of page!!!!!

    • HabfaninTO says:

      A shame Orr pulled him down so violently that was intentional but not sure he thought he’d smash his face…on another note to Michel Therrien……THE KIDS ARE ALRIGHT!…..LET THEM PLAY!…the future is NOW! The coaches game management and line combo’s will make or break this season.

      • piter says:

        I totally agree with you saying Orr pulled him down intentionally. Not to smash his face, but still, intentionally. Too bad we will never know what Parros really feels about it. He’ll say it’s just a fluke, but with the long history between them, I’m pretty sure he’ll be pi__ed with him.

  33. krob1000 says:

    Freindly Reminder…it is not 2012-13 anymore…we are back to an 82 game schedule and when a guy gets hurt it does not have to mean they are done for the year.. Guys are going to get hurt at some point..and losses are going to happen.

  34. habs001 says:

    We can all hope but the reality is that the Habs have no chance at the cup unless about 12 teams get suspended….For this reason i rather have young players in the line up not players that will have no impact on a cup run maybe in 3/4 years…

  35. The Dude says:

    So while we’re banning Fighting in hockey…Let’s ban Guns,Air pollution,Personalized transportation,Rail lines near any population, Flying , any Job that has an element of Danger,War,Teflon and fire retardants ,have a 90% reduction of fats in food ,Pesticides,fertilizers , a 90 % reduction of the use of plastics and any form of stress. And lets do it yesterday !

  36. thebonscott says:

    forgot to say i was impressed by parros’s play before the fights, guy is not a detriment to his line, like someone.
    and moen played his best game in 2 years

    For the sake of all that is right, please put the comment box on upper right of page!!!!!

  37. Habcouver says:

    Not a fan of the shootout because of its individuality. To be more senseless, Why not replace it with 3 fights? 😉

    Waiting patiently for #25

  38. Mr_MacDougall says:

    Is there anybody on waivers to replace Parros?

  39. habs001 says:

    Parros is a smart guy…i have this funny feeling that he will never play hockey again once he considers his options…do posters think he will play again?

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I tend to go against Ronn on this one. If Parros is deemed recovered sufficiently he plays again.

    • Habilis says:

      He is smart, no question. But he also comes off as a pretty honorable guy to me, the type that would never walk out on a contract.

      I think that this incident will definitely make him consider his options going forward, but at the same time I think that any long term decision he makes will take effect after his contract is up at the end of the season. In the short term, he’s a consummate professional and he’ll do everything he can to get back on the ice as soon as he can.

      Just my opinion, but that’s how I see it.

    • thebonscott says:

      who hasn’t been knocked out in their life????? He is back next week.

      For the sake of all that is right, please put the comment box on upper right of page!!!!!

  40. AH says:

    Second Hab that Orr has concussed, I know he fell but, I’d say this is the guy we need to neutralize when they play the Leafs; forget about Kadri and Kessel et al, they need to make sure he doesn’t concuss a Hab a game!

  41. habs11s says:

    I understand fighting to ‘stand up for your teammate’ or ‘to change the ‘mo’ of a game’ but IMHO, the majority of fights are just staged garbage to attract fringe fans and have little to do with the actual game itself…


    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

    • Habs_Norway says:

      In my opinion a fight occurs when two guys that don’t like each other/hate each other are standing together.
      If i were to play a game and constantly peeing talked trash to, i will ask: wanna go?
      This is part of human nature, something certain politicians wants to remove from the human race.
      Its called: Not taking sh*t.
      Some say “the pen is mightier than the sword”.. I bet that saying came from a guy without a sword.

      Say no to visors and sign Emelin for 10 years

  42. TheDagger says:

    How about it is entirely illegal to get in more fights than you have goals? haha
    Bye bye John Scott et al.
    Or worst case Ontario, those knuckledraggers actually try and play the game to get a goal. And then they will save their fight for a good time, not a pointless dance. Boom. Next.

  43. Habfan10912 says:

    Many social changes have come from litigation. I suspect fighting in hockey will be another example of a court induced change.

    • habs1992 says:

      I think all contact sports will be gone, from court indeed changes and goverment laws. People say wait till someone dies from a fight, well I say wait till someone dies from a bodycheck, where does one draw the line. Many NFL experts believe that Football will be gone in 30 years and I can see hockey soon following after that.

      I support Carey Price
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      • Habfan10912 says:

        There is inherent risk in sports just as there is in many jobs. Employers have a legal requirement to provide responsible means to provide a safe workplace . A recent example is removing smoking from public places. The league has a requirement to review anything which can reasonably be assumed could cause injury. IMO fighting with bare knuckles meets that standard.

        Body checks, as you note could lead to injury as well but protective gear providers reasonable protection. Not the same. Not even close.

        • Bash says:

          Exactly 10912

          “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

        • Strummer says:

          When a spectator in Columbus died after being hit by a puck it didn’t long to implement safety measures to fix that.

          Hopefully it won’t come to that tragic of an event to ban fighting

          “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

          • habs1992 says:

            A guy I knew that I went to school with tragically passed away 3 years ago doing high jump. Did the school ban high jump, no we did not. He was jumping over the pole missed it and hit his head and died. People take risks in everything they do and know what can happen. Parros knows when he fights their is a chance something can go horribly wrong.

            I support Carey Price
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          • Habfan10912 says:

            @1992. Its called reasonable risk. To compare high jumping with bare knuckle fighting doesn’t help your argument.

          • The Dude says:

            Lots have spectators have died before that Lil Girl…. And in other sport still do.

      • The Jackal says:

        Lol what NFL experts are you talking about? The ones no one has heard of?

        Hockey sine stercore tauri.

      • Habs_Norway says:

        I have been saying the exact same thing regarding soccer.
        In 30 years we will have a “underground league” called either oldskool football (soccer) or contact-football.
        They (lefties and politicians) are ruining sports.
        Not to mention the journalists.

        Say no to visors and sign Emelin for 10 years

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Agreed. It will come down to money. Litigation is the most likely cause.

    • Timo says:

      Is there this much discussion if this is Orr lying on the ice instead of Parros?

  44. Maritime Ronn says:

    Here’s wondering if we have seen the last of George Parros in the NHL, regardless if his recovery is swift or not.

    George Parros is a unique and brilliant individual.
    Few NHL hockey players can say they are Princeton Graduates and wrote their Senior thesis on the West Coast longshoremen’s labor dispute…as Parros did.

    In 2010, he was chosen as the fourth-smartest athlete in ALL of Pro sports by the Sporting News.

    During the 2013 Lockout, many are on record as saying he was the “Smartest Guy In The Room” and that included the sometimes pathetic and singular dimensional funny talking,’ wordsmith’ lawyers.

    George Parros is not a spring chicken.
    He is a soon to be 34 at the end of December, and has probably realized that he no longer possesses the youth notion of being ‘bullet proof and eternal’ and perhaps may be thinking about his health and family future.

    From what is public knowledge, he is married (to money) and he and his partner have several small-medium size businesses to keep them going.

    George Parros has also earned over $6 Million Gross dollars by playing in the NHL, where much of those dollars earned were in more friendly US tax jurisdictions.

    Perhaps so much more important, is that the couple have twin daughters that are all of about 2 years old.
    I do not know if there are other children involved.

    What would you do?
    How do you tell your wife and children this ‘lifestyle’ is what life is all about?
    What were his wife’s/children’s horrors of watching Gorge being carried off on a stretcher?

    • moser17 says:

      Good post.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Ronn, as long as there are people willing to pay people like George a million dollars a year there is insentive to risk life and limb. The careless use of performance enhancing drugs without regard to their consequences is a good example of the polirizing effect of money. Sad, yep. True, yep.

    • Andy and the habs says:

      No matter how smart you are there is no job that can get any close to what he makes, unless he is a CEO of a company. And the market these days are not paying enough when investing safely. If he is smart like they say he is he would bet safely, and being safe means very little return.

      If he can get healthy and does not have lingering concussion symptoms he will get back and earn his money.

    • Habcouver says:

      Great insight MR.
      GP’s intelligence was demonstrated too when he did some commentary and analysis last year (I forget which station he was on but I believe it must have been during the playoffs).
      Also I believe he chose to sign on with the Habs to be associated with the richest tradition as part of promoting his own marketing strategy once his career is done.

      Waiting patiently for #25

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Tks for the responses

      Truly appreciated.

      Perhaps being an individual of 58 years old allows me to look at things differently.

      Perhaps younger folks see things otherwise..

      Just a belief from here, whether right or wrong or warped, yet the feeling is…at the end of the day, it all comes down to family – and you can define that in the way you wish.

    • Bill says:

      I thought the exact same thing, well said.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  45. habs1992 says:

    I just don’t see the difference in a clean body check that hits your head, and a punch. Call me crazy but I do not see it. People saying that punching someone’s head is barbaric, you can say lining someone up and body checking them as hard as you can is just as barbaric. Just Ban the sport now.

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    • Bill says:

      Actually the NHL has already outlawed hits to the head, maybe you missed that? Anyway, if they did the same for fighting it would be fine with me.

      And maybe I’m being dense, but why would banning fighting be the same as banning the entire game? There are some pretty interesting things that happen between the fights.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        (Is this a good moment? After teaching other subjects for years (since the 80s) I qualified in English in May and suddenly find myself an English teacher in my new job. Loving it — Othello with Grade 11s, Merchant with Grade 9s. But still very much finding my way. Wanted you to know.)

        And totally agree re. fighting.


        • Stevie.Ray says:

          I’m starting The Hunger Games with my grade 10’s in a couple weeks

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Let me know how it goes.
            As a trilogy the consensus seems to be law of diminishing returns! But I’ve read the first one and thought it was good. Of Mice and Men with Grade 8s coming up also.

        • Bill says:

          That’s awesome. Love both those plays! I saw Othello in London with Lenny Henry in the lead role, great experience. Good luck!!

          Full Breezer 4 Life

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Thanks Bill.
            Last week I was blown away by a live feed of Othello from London’s National Theatre to a Dublin cinema. Adrian Lester (title) and Rory Kinnear (Iago), directed by Nicholas Hytner. Updated to the British Army in one of the Gulf conflicts. You might find some of the clips at the website interesting:


            They don’t seem to do many of these, but there will be a Hamlet on October 22 (with Rory Kinnear).

    • Habs_Norway says:

      Then i say: “what people”.
      i ALWAYS have that in the back of my mind; who are they?
      9 out of 10 times i found out its either a little girl called journalist or some political correct guy that was chosen last every gym-session.
      It never fails. How many of todays writers have actually played hockey?
      THey sit and read twitter all day long.

      Say no to visors and sign Emelin for 10 years

      • Bill says:

        So basically, anyone who disagrees with you is either a little girl or a PC guy with gym class issues?

        How convenient for you. Except what about when they aren’t? Steve Yzerman is against fighting … is he a little girl, or is the kid who got picked last for gym?

        Full Breezer 4 Life

    • A clean body check doesn’t hit the head. I think that’s now in the rules, no?


  46. habsfan0 says:

    It’s obviously very early in the season,but I believe Saturday’s game against the Flyers is very important. It would be incumbent upon the Habs not to fall to 0-2 on the year prior to heading out west on an extended road trip where they have not fared all that well in recent years. These first 10 games of the season will be a good barometer,IMHO,of where this team is headed this year.

    • habs1992 says:

      MUST WIN

      I support Carey Price
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    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      hf0: A game whose status rhymes with “pleasuring trick”?

      (Btw, did you offer thoughts on Price’s game?)

      • Strummer says:

        Price was the second best goalie last night.
        “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Did you see Stevie’s shot-difficulty ratings earlier? I thought they were useful and also accurate. I also thought Montreal had the second best defense last night, and that holding the Leafs to only 3 goals therefore made Price the best goalie rather than second best!

      • habsfan0 says:

        @Dunboyne Mike: I watched a documentary the other day on JFK’s visit to Ireland in June 1963. Very moving.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          (Classy evasion!)

          To this day there are kitchens around Ireland whose walls sport these three portraits: the BV Mary; the bleeding heart of Jesus; and JFK. In this and other ways he was very nearly afforded the status of a god here.

  47. JF says:

    So let me get this straight. Marc Bergevin went out over the summer and brought in Douglas Murray and George Parros to address the size and toughness problem that became very apparent after Alexei Emelin blew out his knee. Murray gets injured in the pre-season and will be out four to six weeks. Parros suffers a concussion and is out indefinitely. Emelin is out till December. So we’re left with the lineup that was manhandled and demolished in the play-offs by the Senators. Does this mean we can look forward to a high draft pick?

  48. DipsyDoodler says:

    My (improved) suggestion.

    As proposed earlier, a fighting major must be served on the ice, for the full 5 minutes.

    After three fighting majors in one season, you must serve your 5 minute penalty …. as goalie.

  49. JUST ME says:

    I like the way the poll question is formulated.
    «would you like to see the NHL take steps to remove fighting from the game?« Cause steps need to be taken before fights are removed from the game. If it means that there will be more cheap shots and that the refs will remain blind then i say leave it as is. Furthermore the players themselves need to show that they will respect each other wich is far from being done.

    I enjoyed the game yesterday. Good energy and apart from the Parros incident of course, it was a very entertaining game to look at.Lots of work to be done,players need to be acquainted with each others but it was a good start.

  50. Habilis says:

    The Edmonton Oilers have 5 million in cap space and they desperately need a center. DD makes 3.5 million and the Habs have at least 4 guys who play center and are better hockey players than him (Plekanec, Eller, Briere, Galchenyuk). Edmonton absolutely needs to make the playoffs this season. See where I’m going with this?

    I know that DD would probably go and get 70-80 points playing with guys like Yakupov and Eberle, and he would actually improve the Oilers right now, but I’m fine with that if we get their 1st round pick in return.

    Never happen, but fun to dream.

  51. thebonscott says:

    my thoughts,
    Eller was terrific, on the penalty kill he is a revelation
    EGG line was solid
    pleks,bourque, and gionta played well, but missed opportunities
    Desharnais is going to kill that line, he loses every puck battle, and why the hell does he get so much powerplay time, the pp was terrible, because he gets pushed off the puck like a child.
    Price battled, that is the most into i have seen him in 2 years, could have been 6-3.
    Pacioretty is in for a long year on that line, if briere centred him and well anyone with a physique bigger than my 7 year old, at least there would be some chance of sustained pressure.
    DD on pp-thumbs down
    no subban on pk thumbs down
    no eller on pp thumbs down
    come on therrien stop trying to prove a point, go for the win
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  52. NightRyder says:

    I wonder if this incident might turn Parros into a BGL-like pacifist. He’s an extremely intelligent, thoughtful guy with a bright future outside of the game. You wonder how much longer he might want to risk stuff like this.

    • Timo says:

      Then he will hopefully have enough decency to release Montreal Canadiens from paying his salary. I will respect that decision.

      • Ron says:

        “decency” Timo ?

      • NightRyder says:

        How come we get the thoughtful goons?
        Do you think having to wrestle George Parros makes Colton Orr (or anyone else on any team) think twice about running one of our better players? No.
        It just means Prust won’t have to fight those battles.
        That’s something, to be sure, but it’s not like Brandon Prust is a game-breaker, just a useful cog. Ditto Tinordi at this point.
        If you’re going to have a goon, give me a wingnut every time. McIntyre, Gillies – whatever.
        If you want to intimidate, crazy beats thoughtful any day of the week.

  53. The Teacher says:

    Fighting is a part of hockey. Pointe finale.

    • Luke says:

      So was the Rover, the straight blade and no forward passes.
      n’est pas pointe finale.

    • habs1992 says:

      +1 my friend Fighting is part of hockey and 98% think so.

      I support Carey Price
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    • Bill says:

      Stanley Cup Finals and Olympic championship hockey says you’re wrong.

      It’s interesting how some people argue that fighting gives a team an edge, yet when the games are really meaningful, it disappears. If fighting helped you win, wouldn’t teams fight more when games mattered the most?

      Fighting is a part of fighting. Unbelievably perhaps, you can still have hockey without fist-fights.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Garbo says:

        That’s not true. Fighting does not disappear in the playoff and those are very meaningful games. We only need to go back to the Habs last round for an example.

        • Phil C says:

          Last year fighting went from about .48 fights per game in the regular season to about .17 in the playoffs. That is a significant drop off. If fighting was integral to the sport, should it not continue at the same rate?

          • Garbo says:

            I don’t know about it being integral to the sport. But the fact is that it does not disappear in the playoffs.

      • Habs_Norway says:

        Hmm hmm hmm
        Correct me if im wrong, but you remember Evgeny Arthuykin ?
        Vancouver. Olympics.
        Is it just olympics or other international events?
        Such as the junior game Canada vs Soviet.

        Say no to visors and sign Emelin for 10 years

  54. matt jordan says:

    How could the Habs have passed on JG Pageau?

    He’s french, very skilled, and most importantly he is 5’9″.

    The perfect Montreal Canadien.

    • JO says:

      Like I said before. A injury prone team will never go far. How can you have a good team having to bring in replacements all the time disrupts the chemistry.
      MB did his best this off season but it still remains we are too small and too soft for todays NHL having to play 82 tough games. The tough and skilled teams will be the survivors come April.

  55. Danno says:

    Pacioretty hurt. Prust hurt. Parros out indefinitely.

    I’m not liking this one bit.

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  56. Timo says:

    I guess there is no word on Pacioretty? After he came back I didn’t think he looked/played the same. I suspect he did get injured.

  57. Phil C says:

    I am quite relieved that Parros escaped with just a concussion. The way he went down, I was worried he could have shattered his face like Kevin Stevens. But looking at the picture above, it looks like his shoulder broke some of his fall. He is quite lucky in some ways, it could have been much worse.

  58. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    re: fighting….just make it a match penalty. That’d eliminate staged fights, but if the situation was truly right, ie when Fraser was decking Prust and Moen stepped in, both players would engage (knowing that they won’t play the rest of the game).

    • Mattyleg says:

      As I say below, a match penalty makes it equivalent to being ‘illegal’.
      A longer penalty indicates that it’s still allowed, but the consequences are greater.

      Bettman has already said that they can’t just take fighting out of the game overnight (which I actually agree with), so I think this would be the best first step.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Bill says:

      This would put hockey somewhat closer to professional sports leagues that actually have credibility and a solid business model.

      So it’s never gonna happen!

      But it should.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Habs_Norway says:

        I find it funny that in Europe, the league with the most “credibility” is the NHL….
        NFL and NBA, not to mention the MLB are way behind the NHL regarding popularity. But all those people dont know what they are taking about, i presume?
        If you ask anyone, they say: MLB is full of steroids (how many has been busted the last 5 years?)
        NFL is just a dumb game with stops every 10second. Drop, one pass. Run. Thats it. Combined with the charming Michael Wick and his friends.
        NBA [basketball] is a non-contact sport . Enough said.

        BUT, NHL and their players are regarded as “tough guys”.
        The guys in NHL are tough, whether his a fighter or a goalie.
        And professional. Polite. Dresses nicely.
        Soccerplayers and all their scandals, crashing while drunk and blowing up houses with fireworks (balotelli) etc etc.
        Every week theres something new. But not in hockey. just a guy who got knocked out by the frozen water.

        So i dont understand for one bit what business models you are referring to?

        The Norwegian Handball league? 😛

        Say no to visors and sign Emelin for 10 years

  59. bwoar says:

    @ Bob_Sacamano:

    Pacioretty Plekanec Gionta
    Galchenyuk Eller Gallagher
    Prust Briere Bourque
    Moen Bournival White

    THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. I hope it comes to pass sooner rather than later.


    • shiram says:

      Max being the Habs best winger needs to play with the Habs best center, Plekanec.
      I like the other lines too.

    • Habilis says:

      I was sitting here looking at that lineup, thinking: Wow, pretty solid, but why is it that simple? Then I realized that DD is not in there and I got it.

      Basically what you’re saying is that this team becomes better by simply removing DD from the lineup. I concur.

      Unfortunately, I don’t see him being moved and I don’t see MT even dropping him down in the depth chart, let alone benching him. Not yet anyhow.

      • bwoar says:

        When I first read it, the simplicity of it just made my jaw drop. Get rid of DD for a sack of potatoes and a bowl of sauce brune and we’d be better instantly.


    • thebonscott says:

      like it, but would put parros in for white when he is back, at least every second game or so

      For the sake of all that is right, please put the comment box on upper right of page!!!!!

  60. shiram says:

    Some support for banning fighting in the NHL.

    I like the idea of having fights be an automatic game misconduct.
    Makes alot of sense to me.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Yeah, or as I said, 20-30mins per penalty.
      Then coaches will begin to wonder how much they really want to play half of the game with a shortened bench.

      That increased impact would also make non-fighters less willing to drop the gloves, and if someone really went after a skilled player to try to take him out, it would be more acceptable for him to turtle, not wanting to take himself out of the game for so long.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • shiram says:

        Why stop at 20 minutes? I think the game misconduct is the perfect penalty for a fight.

        • Mattyleg says:

          Because a game misconduct is similar to saying ‘fighting is prohibited’, which apparently Ol’ Gar doesn’t want to do.

          A 20/30 minute penalty says that it’s still legal, but now it comes with heavier consequences.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • shiram says:

            Incremental steps seems to be the way they are proceeding.
            Maybe I’m too eager to see it removed.

          • Mattyleg says:

            The increments have been so small that it’s easy to be frustrated.

            “You’re not allowed to take off your own helmets (so that you’ll be deterred from fighting because you might hurt your knuckles on another player’s visor) before punching each other in the head” can hardly be considered ‘progress’.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Just a Habs Fan says:

          Why not ban them forever if they fight….also let’s get rid of the puck in it’s present form…someone is going to get killed one day…….maybe a sponge puck. Put a laser on it so it becomes viewable easily. Skates are dangerous also…get rid of them I say……rubber boots and no shin pads or dangerous shoulder pads either……make the rink twice as large…..that will cut down on injuries as many of these guys only skate one way anyhow…….seriously the game has changed over the past dozen or so years I agree. Probably fighting is not as bad as it once was….or at least as I once remember to be. How many on here remember the Habs of the mid seventies and boy what a collection of warriors with really high skill almost to a man. They had it all. Now fast forward to the past few years and you have a quicker game with the red line eliminated and players winding up… know the rules have been tampered with over the past dozen or so years and I would have to think the game has been hurt in some ways as much as it has been improved in other ways. Certainly more tampering as most of you (can’t live with fighting ) would propose will lead to even more changes…I wonder what effect they would have. I have been reading this forum for nearly 10 years and have posted very few times because of the quick to be rude people that lurk here…the ones that know everything………so let’s make a whole lot of changes as some suggest and see where the sport improves. I also have been a Habs fan since late fifties…..I would like nothing better than to see them win another Stanley Cup before too many years pass….life passes us by so they better soon get the formula perfected and if that means bringing in muscle so be it. I will still watch and be as pleased as punch.

          Oh by the way the changes will come but money will decide what changes take place. That’s just the way it is.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Could some variation on rugby’s 10-minute sinbin be useful? You sit for 10, and your team is short-handed, whether the other team scores or not.

        Alternatively, someone suggested here during the summer that the penalised player be obliged to STAY on the ice for 10 minutes!

  61. krob1000 says:

    Parros stepping in for Subban, Moen stepping in for Prust, White stepped in for Moen the other night. MB has done what he set out to do…acquired character…these guys have all shown they will do whatever it takes to protect their teammates adn regardless of long term visions of more severe pnelaties they are not here today so MB seems to have addressed a real issue. Depending on severit he maybe well advised to get Ben Eager .

  62. Danno says:

    Do we have a capable callup who can fill in for George Parros while he recovers?


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    • krob1000 says:

      White in the pressbox, Tarnasky in Hamilton and Ben Eager on waivers!

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I would grab Eager. He can actually play hockey as well

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Danno says:

        They aren’t the same calibre


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        • krob1000 says:

          No but all offer things PArros doesn;t..White can play Pk and shutdown role, Tarnasky can score a little better and Eager is another guy who is better defensively. I posted earlier a lineup if the Habs got Eager.
          It could be scarya dn I belive take better advantage of guys skill sets.
          Patches-DD-Bourque(RW and insulate DD)
          Moen-Pleks-Gio (match them agaisnt anyone)
          youcould move the phsyical guys around whee you need to but any line is a threat and has a wokrer bee, a guy to look out ofr th e others, and two really strong offesnvie players. Dd woul dbe between two big bodies again, Bourque palys his best at RW and both of his good chances last night were roaring down the right. Galchenyuk could use the role model in Briere and also the help as he is being targeted in scrums. Eager can also score a bit with gusy like that. You can get guys their extra mins on the pp and/or shuffle things if down and needing offense only.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Apologize to the Desharnais backers for this analogy, but Tarnasky is the equivalent.
        When he gets hit, he ends up on either his butt or his back.

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      Parros was never going to be an everygame player. He was signed to play against teams like the Leafs and Bruins. Bournival and White are in the pressbox. and Tarnasky is in the AHL

    • Sportfan says:

      Well didn’t Bergevin work with the Hawks when Eager was on the Hawks maybe he will pick him up 😀

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    • jols101 says:

      The answer is no we don’t. Parros was injured because of a freak accident. If the guys listed above tried to step in and do the job Parros does they would also be leaving on stretchers because they would get KO’ed.

  63. jedimyrmidon says:

    Further to my post below:

    Some teams like the Habs will use an enforcer like Parros as a defensive measure, which is fine. Other players should have to answer for ill-timed hits (e.g. late hits) or excessive cross checks or cheap shots after the whistle or running the goaltender. That’s all part of the game.

    Teams like the Leafs, on the other hand, use Orr and McLaren as an offensive measure, which isn’t fine. By offensive, I don’t mean scoring goals. By offensive, I mean committing offenses and instigating trouble and fights. These kinds of actions often border on dirty and malicious, and Orr and McLaren have absolutely no problem getting ejected. I bet Carlyle thinks that if they aren’t getting ejected for something, they aren’t doing their job.

    Normally, a player would have to answer for such offenses, but when an enforcer is used to commit the offense then who else can stand up to them other than the NHL (which they clearly will not do)… or another enforcer. From this point of view, it’s easy to see why the Habs not having an enforcer is such a problem.

    Carlyle’s approach to goons should be eliminated, and if it takes eliminating fights then so be it.

  64. HardHabits says:

    The Parros incident is a precursor and analogy for the Habs season.

  65. krob1000 says:

    I am curious as to what the “stick work” is that people are always talking about…I still see plenty of slashing and I cannot remember the least intentional slash that was a high stick. I undertsant that players will take liberties but the “stickwork” argument is the least of the concerns. What the players are policing is the more detrimental, knee on knees and dangerous hits. I understand some hits are clean that have to be answered for and I think it is wrong…HOWEVER….the players do not only police agaisnt the “results” they take offense to hits that have a small margin for error and while they may wind up being a clean hit…1 in 10 of those will miss by a fraction and result in a headshot, possible concussion, knee or something worse and possibly to a star affecting the season for the whole team. Team success leads to personal success. I kind of understand where they are coming from but disagree with the principle if that makes any sense.

    I do think there will be a day where fighting is very minimal but as of now it is a must to have players capable of doing it. I just think the stickwork argument is the least of the concerns but is often the one I hear.
    It will never be perfect even without fighting but I think the league has done a good job at the grass roots level of curbing hitting from behind, headshots,etc. Sometimes they are way overboard and call kids for clean plays but if the result is that in 10 years these kids only hit when it is completely safe and effective than I guess they are accomplishing their goal.

  66. habs1992 says:

    The media loves when this happens because it gives them something to talk about. Take it out, then they will find another thing to take out. probably hitting (and im not joking) How many articles have we seen today about it. Listen to Josh Gorges and 98% of players/.

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    • shiram says:

      I question that 98% of players figure.
      All we heard pre-season was how players hated hybrid icing, and yet it still passed.
      I have a feeling if it would be put to vote, the figure would not come out 98/2.

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      Well, we can wait until somebody dies then we can talk about it. Or we can wait for more and more players to suffer from long term brain damage and depression. Which would you prefer?

      And many players are friends with the “fighters” on their team. They are usually great guys who would do anything for their teammates. So of course NHL players are going to say keep it because they don’t want their friends out of a job.

      • johnnylarue says:

        “And many players are friends with the “fighters” on their team. They are usually great guys who would do anything for their teammates. So of course NHL players are going to say keep it because they don’t want their friends out of a job.”

        Bingo, my friend. Players telling the media, “It’s part of the game, blah blah blah,” is essentially a statement of solidarity. Since most teams have at least one player who wouldn’t be playing pro hockey if it wasn’t for his fighting skills, this is just a case of guys looking out for their own.

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  68. HabinBurlington says:

    Just saw that Tom Clancy past away at age 66. Really enjoyed some of his books, turned into a few good movies as well.

  69. habs1992 says:

    @Dunboyne Mike. I agree to disagree. The only time the NHL even makes news in most markets in the US is when violence occurs, whether this is what happened last night or a line brawl it is the only time people will even pay attention to this game. I always go back to this clip and it says it all, you would think that the Stars just won the cup. Please give it a watch. (Look at crowd reaction)
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    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Thanks 92.
      That’s some punch. But yes, we’ll agree to disagree.
      Two extrapolations on your part:
      1) Spectacular crowd response to this fight proves that Americans prefer fights to hockey;
      2) Fights, rather than hockey, achieving media coverage proves that Americans prefer fights to hockey.

      And one wildly false statement! “The only time the NHL even makes news in most markets in the US is when violence occurs.”

      To take just one example, how does USA Today’s daily coverage — 12 stories today alone — fit into this reckless untruth?!

      I would suggest that you share the mindset of the league, namely that fighting sells better than hockey itself — whether in the US or Canada. It borders on bigotry to suggest that Americans are peculiarly blood-thirsty. The NHL targets the bloodthirsty element on both sides of the border, sells the product with reasonable success, and allows their ugly take on a great game to become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

      The point I keep monotonously making is that the NHL does this without testing their unsafe assumption that fight-free hockey will earn less. Maybe it wouldn’t. Maybe it would just attract a different crowd, and maybe that crowd would be bigger.

      92, it’s complicated, and the arguments are circuitous. But with respect I think what you have articulated is based only on speculation and, indeed, prejudice.

  70. Stevie.Ray says:

    Yzerman, Shero, and Rutherford call for the elimination of fighting:

    Scotty Bowman supports them.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I believe it will happen it is just a matter of time

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Stevie.Ray says:

        A game misconduct for fighting makes sense. They did it in the league I played in.
        You fight, you’re gone. Fight twice? 3 game suspension. 3 fights… 10 games. 4 fights! A nice long vacation.

        “But Stevie.Ray, what about when John Scott goes after your best players trying to get them kicked out of the game?”

        Then your skill player doesn’t fight and skates away like a man.

        “But then what about guys like Parros, and Orr, and all them big tough burly men that perpetuate the necessity of patriarchal attributes. They’ll be out of a job”

        Well Bucko, either learn to make yourself useful in other ways, or find a new job. You can always try a trade. Give the job to somebody who can actually play the game.

        • Luke says:

          And if the situation calls for a fight. Then you fight and take your punishment.

          Emelin breaks a stick over Seguin? You fight. No worries about a misconduct.
          2 guys line up next to each other? They won’t fight.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I agree with you Steve.

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

        • Stevie.Ray says:

          And you might be thinking “but Stevie.Ray, what about those rats like Marchand who deserve to get the piss kicked out of them? How are they supposed to police the game?”

          Well, I’ll say this, if they crack down on fighting, then they have to crack down on all the other shenanigans. If Marchand turtles. 5 Game suspension. Up the suspensions.

          “But the NHLPA will never go for longer suspensions. They want their players to play!”

          Well, I’m sure they don’t want their players to be injuring the other players. Send a message You do the crime then you will do the time, and the time will be from the appropriate to severe length. No more of this slap on the wrist crap.

    • habs1992 says:

      so 10% of GM’s and 90% Dont want it out and 98% players want to keep. Ur stats dont back up anything.

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      • Stevie.Ray says:

        Doesn’t matter how many people want it, it’s still wrong.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Considering that it’s probably not that long ago that no GM would dream of opposing fighting, the fact that 10% are now prepared to hold their hands up and take so counter-cultural stand is hugely significant. It could be the beginning of change (although I wouldn’t hold my breath — posters here have articulated way better than I can how it is only the threat of revenue loss that is ever likely to galvanise the league into change).

        Yes, the stance of the NHLPA is pretty spectacular.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      MLSE is OK with it so far.
      Yzerman, Shero, and Rutherford represent financial loser franchises that don’t pay for the rest.

      As the old Zen Master says, “We’ll see…”
      When the ownership of Toronto, NYR, Montreal Chicago decide it’s enough…along with the NHLPA, only then will any change occur.

    • Phil C says:

      Wow, I think that is actually pretty significant especially for a HOFer like Yzerman to take a leadership stance. They have essentially created an environment where people on the inside can now debate it openly without fear of ridicule.

  71. JO says:

    Best line on the ice played 9% on the power play something wrong there “GRAVATAR”

  72. jedimyrmidon says:

    So I just lost a rather long post (twice) because it didn’t get through to HIO for some reason… Here’s the summary:

    Bill’s post below on fighting made me think.

    Here’s why I think an enforcer like Parros is necessary on the Habs:

    – Essentially, Parros is there to eat the clock on the time Orr or McLaren could be out there being dangerous (in what should be an illegal way), taking runs at our players and playing on the edge, but NOT caring if they go over it.

    I think that is critical here: Orr and McLaren are players that have no problem being ejected. In fact, Carlyle encourages their style and what they do out there (whether it’s legal or not), and the two have no problem finding another way to get ejected if they aren’t confronted by an enforcer like Parros. They will find another way to do something stupid, and it’s most likely that our Habs will be on the worst side of it (even if the NHL should control such things).

    Parros being out there gives them something else to do, and Parros winning the fights can give the Habs a lot of momentum and confidence knowing that the goons are gone from the ice.

    Edit: I accidentally used the word b@anned… so that’s why.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Weird that the word Bann@d would cause a post not to be accepted, yet a word like FuddleDuddle seems to get through just fine.

    • habs1992 says:

      I agree, and how effective was Orr last night compared to last year when he played us, i dont think he was as effective at all and that is all because of Parros. I remember last year Orr running around going after everyone and knocked Bourque out cold.

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      • B says:

        He did manage to injure Pacioretty and was involved with Parros when he got injured. Montreal tried to beat Toronto at their own game last night and ended up losing the game. The Leaves likely think Orr did his job last night.

        –Go Habs Go!–

  73. Max says:

    Mr.Frontenac,what’s the drink of the day?

  74. Max says:

    Mr.Frontenac,what are you drinking today? Canadian Club and Pepsi here! lol

    • Habsrule1 says:

      You are supposed to mix liquor with COKE, not Pepsi.

      Go Habs Go!!

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