Parenteau scores again in Habs scrimmage

After scoring twice in Saturday’s scrimmage, Canadiens newcomer P.A. Parenteau added another goal Sunday to help lead Team Red to a 5-2 win over Team White in Brossard.

David Desharnais, Rene Bourque, Jake Dowell and Nick Sorkin also scored for Team Red, while Gabriel Dumont scored both goals for Team White.

Carey Price, playing for Team Red, stopped seven of eight shots, while Mike Condon stopped five of six shots. For Team White, Peter Budaj made nine saves on 12 shots and Dustin Tokarski allowed two goals on four shots.

Parenteau was acquired from Colorado this summer in the deal that sent Daniel Briere to the Avalanche.

Another newcomer, defenceman Tom Gilbert, has also impressed Canadiens coach Michel Therrien. Gilbert, a 6-foot-2, 206-pounder who signed a two-year, $5.6-million free-agent contract with the Canadiens in July, has been paired with Andrei Markov at training camp and they have looked good together.

“Today was their best day,” Therrien told reporters in Brossard after the scrimmage. “They’re starting to build more chemistry. We’ll get more answers when we start  playing exhibition games.

“They’re smart,” Therrien added. “Andrei is smart and knows when to jump. He’s a good teacher and when guys play with Andrei, their game gets better.”

Said Gilbert about Markov: “I’ve been watching him for a long time and now playing alongside you notice how easy the game is.”

Up front, yet another newcomer, Manny Malhotra, has been fitting in well on a line between Brandon Prust and Dale Weise. Malhotra and Weise were linemates when they were both in Vancouver.

“He’s a solid, hard-working player,” Weise said of Malhotra, who signed a one-year, $850,000 free-agent contract with the Canadiens this summer. “I like playing with him because he tends to play more on the defensive side. That allows me to take a few more chances offensively because I know he’s backing me up.”

Prust told reporters after the scrimmage that he’s fully recovered from a torn oblique muscle suffered late last season. Prust was limited to 52 games last season, posting 6-7-13 totals and 121 penalty minutes along with a minus-1.

“Last year was tough with injuries,” Prust said. “I want to try and stay injury-free. Stuff happens, though. Some things you can’t control, but I want to get back to getting more ice time and being a bigger factor out there. I want to play well defensively, and get back to my game, the style that I’ve played for many years and for lots of different teams.

“Last year, I felt like I kind of got it going, then I got injured, then I got it back and got injured again. It was tough. I want to try and put in a full year, get my confidence going right away and start helping this team.”

The Canadiens will hold their final Red vs. White scrimmage Monday night at the Bell Centre before facing the Boston Bruins Tuesday night at the Bell Centre in their first preseason game (7:30 p.m., RDS).

(Photo by Ryan Remiorz/The Canadian Press)

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  1. Un Canadien errant says:

    As relates to the toughness-goon question, and whether the Canadiens will import an enforcer at this late stage to start the season, Dave Morrissette asked Marc Bergevin that very question during their interview. Mr. Bergevin said that he discussed this with Michel Therrien, and they feel comfortable going into the year with the roster they have. He says Michel Therrien wants to roll four lines, and that they’ll use a ‘team toughness’ concept.

    So it seems that Marc Bergevin isn’t biding his time to pick up an enforcer from a cap-strapped team, as we we sort of assuming. He mentioned that the team will have more size generally, and specifically referred to Dale Weise as one example. The simple subtraction of Daniel Brière, Brian Gionta and even Josh Gorges, all of who will be replaced by players of a larger stature, will ensure the team isn’t such a small team, such an inviting target.

    This team toughness approach doesn’t worry me when it comes to playing a team like the Sharks if they dress John Scott, for example, he’ll know he doesn’t have a partner to dance with, will generally be unable to catch up to anyone with the puck, and any of his three or four minutes of icetime will be clearly in our advantage. What I’m more concerned with are the teams like the Bruins and Flyers (as always), teams that have some behemoths who actually play for them and who we know from empirical evidence are much more tame when a Douglas Murray and George Parros is cruising the ice occasionally.

    I’m also concerned that our pugilists aren’t up to snuff, even to the moderate level we’ve decided to aspire to. Brandon Prust is a willing combatant, and is very skilled at it. I’m not as fatalistic as everyone seems to be that he’s ‘done’. Sure he had a difficult season last year, but that doesn’t mean his career is over, or his shoulders are shot, as a lot of aspiring Dr. Recchis are quick to assume. I’d just like him to tone it down a bit, he has nothing to prove. He can answer the bell, but maybe not go looking for trouble, or starting it, or accommodating young up-and-comers who want to make a name for themselves.

    Travis Moen and Dale Weise aren’t very good scrappers. Travis is big and tough, but he’s getting up in years and lost a bit of nasty. The elephant in the room is whether his next concussion will be his last, or even whether the last one should have been. Two seasons ago, Travis had a poor season, and caught some heat for not ‘stepping up’ sometimes, but that changed last season, he seemed more ready to take up some of the load. I deduced, from what insiders were saying and from his behaviour, that he didn’t mind being a bit player behind a George Parros, as long as he had support by the likes of Brandon, Douglas Murray, Jarred Tinordi, etc. It’ll be interesting to see if he’ll be reluctant once again to tangle with heavyweights, whether he decides that this isn’t his job, that he’ll take on a Johnny Boychuk or an Evander Kane, but a Matt Kassian is out of his league, and not part of his job description.

    Dale Weise had a big impact on the team upon his arrival last season, and it was discussed at length how he’s best used as a fourth-line forechecker and energy player, but was miscast when asked to be a scrapper by Mike Gillis, Alain Vigneault and John Tortorella. It’s strange that he couldn’t refocus his game once Tom Sestito joined the team, or that he wasn’t allowed to. In any case, Dale can cancel out another team’s middleweight, he can answer the bell, but that’s about the extent of his expected contribution to the cause. Which could/should be enough, hopefully.

    Another player this team toughness philosophy will affect is Jarred Tinordi. This will play in his favour, in that in his training camp battle with Nathan Beaulieu for the available third-pairing job, he can bring a lot of snarl to the table. If we had an extra Mike McPhee or Chris Nilan on the roster now, Nathan would have the inside track, but as it is, Jarred has that extra arrow in his quiver.

    One final point is the icetime given to Brandon Prust. He was brought to sign as a free agent with the Habs when Michel Therrien and Marc Bergevin showed up on his doorstep on July 1 with a generous contract offer, and probably a lot of promises as to the importance of his role with the team, and how he’d be used. We see this somewhat in how Michel Therrien doesn’t hesitate to move him up the lineup when possible, whether with the kids for a while two seasons ago, or to a higher line when injuries strike, or to kill penalties.

    I was worried a little bit about whether Brandon might be bound for, almost locked into a fourth-line role, and what that might do for his morale. Michel Bergeron on L’Antichambre used to repeat that you can’t put a heart-and-soul player like Brandon Prust, a guy who gives you everything and sacrifices himself every game for his teammates, on a fourth line. He’d argue that he had to be on a third-line and be given a leadership role equal to his contribution.

    We see the importance of Brandon Prust on the team when watching him interact with his teammates on 24CH. He’s obviously a beloved teammate, one of the ringleaders. He’s forever tussling and play-fighting with Brendan Gallagher, Alex Galchenyuk, P.K., always involved in the pranks going on in the dressing room. In that context, you can grasp the validity of Michel Bergeron’s observation even better.

    My fears are allayed somewhat by the ‘roll four lines’ philosophy the team will use. The fourth line won’t be the mismatched cast of horrors from three years ago, an indigestible Aaron Palushaj-Petteri Nokelainen-Frédéric St. Denis-Brad Staubitz-Rajesh Koothrappali goulash. It won’t be centred by Ryan White and used sparingly. The addition of a credible checking centre in Manny Malhotra, and potential linemates Dale Weise and Michaël Bournival means they’ll get around twelve minutes a night, not three or four.

    Add in penalty kill time and Brandon will be kept busy, will get his minutes and won’t be embittered as is feared by Michel Bergeron, by being shunted aside until it’s time to square off with a Colton Orr. He’ll be an integral part of the team, even on a fourth line.

    It’s somewhere between a toothless attack and a vicious homage.–Paul Rudd

  2. Mattyleg says:

    Don’t know if it’s still up there, but the Canadiens website was offering free tickets to tonight’s scrimmage, for those who want to go.

    I would have gone, but I’m watching Les Kids tonight.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  3. Habilis says:

    Count me among those who think that Emelin will have a bounce back season. Back on his natural side and with a full off-season and camp to prep, I think he’ll be on a mission. A smashing mission.

    But, I wonder: Is it wise for MT to put his two most physical D-men together? Don’t get me wrong, I’m full on excited to watch P.K. and Emelin together. They’re gonna lower some serious boom. But assuming that Weaver and Beaulieu take the 5 and 6 spots and the pairs stay as is, that leaves the 2 bottom pairs with the 4 least physical D-men. I know they can all hold their own but those 2 pairs will be playing at least half the game and won’t be dishing out much physical punishment.

    I feel like those pairings would invite other coaches to deploy their big boys vs our bottom 4 all night long. That might be a problem, especially on the road.

  4. Ozmodiar says:

    I like the look of this d-corps.

    McDonagh – Subban
    Markov – Gilbert
    Emelin – Beaulieu
    (Tinordi, Weaver)

    / stanley cup caliber

  5. Maritime Ronn says:

    Renaud Lavoie
    ‏@renlavoietva Lower body for Lars Eller. Saw him being hit Saturday by Alexei Emelin. He was probably injured there. #canadiens #tvasports

    • Mattyleg says:


      Now we’ll never know his true potential.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Forum Dog says:

        Sarcasm palpable. I hope that at some point in the next two years – when Eller is a fully developed 6’2″ 215lb, aggressive power centre with nifty hands, a deadly shot and a willingness to play both ends of the ice – you find time to acknowledge your barely concealed disdain for what so many (including Habs management) see in this young man.

        • Mattyleg says:

          Heh heh.

          I’m not disdainful.
          I was being facetious (aka ‘Timoesque’), and despite my ragging on Eller, I like the guy and want him to do well.
          If he does morph into what you suggest he will, then I’ll be as thrilled as the next guy. And I don’t think it’s impossible, just… unlikely at this stage.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Forum Dog says:

            Ya, I figured. Your pretty good at that facetious stuff. I wouldn’t bet against him though. He’s been getting better, even when it looks like he’s taking a step back. I mean, last year’s -15 ain’t pretty, but it was only a couple of years ago that DD scored 60 points playing with Pacioretty and Cole and Plekanec was posting 40 points and an equally ugly +/-.

            Eller is big, plays big, has overcome a pretty devastating conky, raises his game when it matters most, and is still only 25. He is a big part of the future of this team, and it wouldn’t surprise me if by the end of his contract he is the most valuable centreman MTL has.

            There: Understatement+Overstatement=Balance…..

          • Mattyleg says:

            Pretty good analysis.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Forum Dog says:

          Cheers ‘Leg! Judging by your comments, it must be a brewing day….

  6. JF says:

    The scrimmage game will be on at 7 o’clock.

  7. Mattyleg says:

    You know what I was thinking this morning on my way in to work?

    I was thinking what a shame it was that we traded McDonagh.

    I’d be interested to hear what you guys think about that.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  8. JF says:

    Anyone heard anything from J.T. over the summer? Her last post was just before the Gorges trade. Nothing on our free agent signings, nothing on the P.K. contract, nothing on training camp.

  9. AliHaba says:

    Eric Engels has an interesting column on the Habs on

  10. Marc10 says:

    Just getting ready for the season…

    1. Brad Marchand
    2. Lucy
    3. Chara
    4. Kreider
    5. Anyone wearing a Flyers jersey

    They don’t hold a candle to my HOF list, but still…

    1. Dale Hunter in a Nordiques uniform
    2. Le Tigre behind the bench
    3. Ulf Samuelsson
    4. Ken ‘The Rat’ Linesman
    5. Mike Milbury

  11. frontenac1 says:

    Hola Amigos! Off on a bit of a Walkabout in The Emerald Isle. Got Mrs.Front with me to keep me out of too much trouble. Like I use to tell the kids when I was coaching,”Keep your Heads Up,Play Hard,Do your Best,and Have Fun out there!”

    • Mattyleg says:

      Wow, great!
      I’m jealous.

      If you need any advice on the best pubs, I’m your man.
      Lived there for nearly a decade.

      Enjoy yourself, but make sure to pack your big wallet!!

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  12. Mattyleg says:

    Lineups for tonight’s scrimmage as per Renaud Lavoie:
    (sorry about the layout, it wouldn’t let me list them next to each other)

    Team A


    De La Rose

    Team B



    You’re welcome.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • HabinBurlington says:


    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Appears they are keeping that 3rd pair of Weaver-Beaulieu together.
      Barring an injury, it looks like the #6 spot is Beaulieu’s to lose.

      • Hobie says:

        I thought the 3rd pair was Tinordi and Pateryn ? 🙂

      • Chris says:

        Bergevin seems to recognize that having a puck-mover on each pairing is necessary. While Pateryn showed some offence in the AHL last season, he and Tinordi are still significantly behind Beaulieu in that department.

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          Exactly, Chris
          The Hawks template

          • Chris says:

            Starting to see more of that in junior hockey now, too. Some teams are still looking for trees on defence (North Bay had a huge defence corps last season), but others are looking for guys that are a little more mobile.

            Guelph was probably the best junior team in the country last season. They had some really skilled forwards, but what really set them apart was the fact that all their defencemen could move the puck. It was a joy to watch!

        • Hobie says:

          We shall see boys. I definitely thought Weaver and Beaulieu were a shoe in for the 5th and 6th spots a few days ago. After watching all the drills and some of the scrimmages, not convinced of that anymore. Odds are you guys are correct but the window appears to be slightly open for that to change.

          • Maritime Ronn says:

            For at least the first part of the season or until the trade deadline, Weaver isn’t going anywhere.

            They know what they have with him.
            He has nothing to prove in scrimmages or even pre-season games.
            He will be #1 Dman on the PK, and is a solid, smart courageous shot blocker…with experience

        • Kooch7800 says:

          No doubt there Chris that Beaulieu is ahead but I was impressed that Pateryn stepped up in that department last year. It was looked at as a weak spot in his game and he changed it. That is a good sign in my books.

  13. adamkennelly says:

    if Tinordi doesn’t make the team out of the gates – what do the Habs do about toughness? Even the dreaded doesn’t really help when your small guys are getting team toughness will be lacking. They will have zero on the back-end and overall – very limited…it could be a problem.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Emelin is tough enough and should start the year better playing on his proper side and a year removed from the knee injury.
      Markov can be nasty when need be and can hit (Lucic playoffs)
      Subban can also hit hard and is big and strong enough

      GMMB seems as he is trying to copy a system he is familiar with and that won a Cup.
      The Hawks Top 4 are all mobile and can all move the puck – Keith, Seabrook, Oduya and Hjalmarsson.
      Even the bottom pairing of Leddy (Beaulieu similar) and Roszival are good puck movers.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        With the exclusion of Sheldon Brookbank that played only 48 games, no other Hawks DMan recorded a Major penalty during the whole season last year.

        The LA Kings 8 Dmen recorded only 2 Major penalties throughout the complete season last year.

        • adamkennelly says:

          fair enough Ronn but you are comparing the Habs with 2 teams which are frankly – much better…so even tho your point is valid – not necessarily applicable in this case because opponents approach games against Habs differently. No team goes into LA and tries to instill their will on the Kings – same w/ the Hawks but teams do it to the Habs all the time. How many scraps did our D have last year – prolly not that many but we still had Murray and Frankie and Prust and Moen and White and Parros..and now we have Prust and sorta Moen…

          • Maritime Ronn says:

            Points well taken, yet there does appear to be a move towards more skating and quickness in the Bottom 6 – at least in the East.
            Boston moved away from Thornton, and the Leafs appear to be moving away from Orr/McLaren.

            I guess we’ll see how it all pans out, but yes, I’d like to see a bit more muscle IF and when things go off the rails.
            (…was trying to find the silver lining)

  14. Mattyleg says:

    Morning, my friends.
    Matt’s in a good mood (inexplicable), and the world is doing the right things.

    Just to reiterate etc., does anyone else find Sportsnet really cheap-looking? I’m no megafan of TSN, but it just seems slicker and more polished. Sportsnet looks really, really regional to me.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • HabinBurlington says:

      The Steelers win had that affect on you as well? Sportsnet are indeed 2nd rate, even how they present their morning sports show it is always awkward and seemingly unrefined.

      I am sure the presence of Kypreos and MacLean squared (Ron and Doug) will more than offset any crappy production quality with their incredible ability to make one want to physically destroy your TV.

      • Marc10 says:


        MacLean to the power of two. I love it!

        One more day until we play a meaningless game against Boston! Who am I kidding, we need to crush them like a bug!!! Go Habs Go! Can’t wait to see who of the kids has drunk the Kool-Aid and gets his hate on.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Ah. I see, you must be talking about ‘Stop-ball’.

        “Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, get ready, get ready, get ready, go-STOP!!!!!!”
        (handkerchiefs fly left right and centre, players wander around…)
        “wait, wait, wait… etc.”

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I recognize some don’t enjoy it, but I love watching it. Stops and all.

          • Mattyleg says:

            -edit- I think the reason I could never get into it is that I don’t have a vested interest in any team. I’ll watch the CFL because Montreal is playing, and MLS because Montreal is playing. But the NFL, I can’t really care about. Same goes with baseball. I’ll have it on in the background, but can’t really get into it. Even for Toronto.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Ozmodiar says:

      I wonder if it looks regional because it is. 😉

      I think it’s pretty much on par with TSN. I watch a bit of both, depending on what they’re covering, and flip between SNConnected and SportsCenter. Osmak > Hedger, that’s for sure.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        TSN’s personalities are starting to get watered down, but I still find the production quality night and day between the two.

      • Chris says:

        Osmak has an interesting background. She trained as a civil engineer at Queen’s University, but then re-trained as a broadcaster. The story of how she got to Sportnet via a chance meeting with Jamie Campbell where she took some initiative, is a great example of how being proactive (and lucky!) can really make a difference in your career.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          By lucky do you mean the blonde hair?

          • Chris says:

            Nope. She earned it.

            She’s a bright cookie…you don’t get through civil engineering without having a pretty solid head on your shoulders. She re-trained, getting a degree in radio & television broadcasting. She worked her way through small jobs (news anchor for JACK-FM in Orillia, Ontario followed by a reporter/anchor job for an NBC affiliate in Yuma, Arizona) before getting her Sportnet break based on asking Jamie Campbell to critique a demo.

            Some of the on-air sportscasters ARE there because they are eye candy. But most of them have still earned their jobs.

            There aren’t a lot of male television personalities that are unattractive when they were hired, either. It isn’t fair, but physical appearance does play a big role in a lot of jobs.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I don’t doubt all the things you say Chris, but watching a great deal of sports (as I do) there is a very obvious commonality in hiring practises in general by all the networks. Doesn’t mean that was the case with Ms. Osmak.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          Osmak is awesome. I am a big fan Chris, cause like you say she earned it. She is quite smart and an interesting anchor. Is she Beautiful, yes, and I agree no matter what sex you are being on TV the better looking you are the better chance you have.

          I also used to really enjoy Martine Gaillard> She was also a great sports anchor

    • Cal says:

      There is too much darkness on the Sports Net sets, hiding all the cheaper than cheap furniture. I’m surprised they don’t have everyone standing up and no desk at all.
      Or, better yet, only highlights with a voice over. No need for a set at all, then. Just a reader in a sound booth. (Watch that they don’t take this cheap ass idea and go with it.)

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Entirely, completely agree. I’m forced to watch Sportsnet hockey games a lot when the Canucks are on, and the feel of it, the production values, are really cheap compared to RDS or TSN. I’ve remarked before on how everything is sponsored during a broadcast, how “Kevin Bieksa corrals the puck and clears it off the glass, brought to you by Eddie’s Auto Glass and Car Wash, and Drew Doughty has to skate back down the ice to retrieve it. As always, the ice is brought to you by Fernandina’s Margarita Mix, accept no substitutes, when it comes to margaritas, Fernandina is the only choice, Caramba!”

      I’ll lay the blame at the feet of Gary Bettman, who gave the worst broadcasters a twelve-year monopoly, for a few dollars more, instead of including the quality of the product in his equation, instead of thinking of the fans, instead of pitting three or four networks against each other, to increase competition, like the other sports do.

  15. Mats Naslund says:

    Just a friendly neighborhood preemptive reminder for everyone to “Chill Out” in advance of the start of the pre-season. Can’t wait for the puck to drop!

  16. Hobie says:

    Thing thing that makes this battle on defence so tough is that I like all the players involved, a lot.

    Weaver is the gritty veteran who’s come to town and worked his butt off, earning himself a spot on the team and playing pretty well. He’s very happy to be a part of the Habs and never appears to take a night off.

    Tinordi has all the right tools to be a nasty defenceman who punishes all the star forwards around the league when they come to Montreal. Crunching them at the blue line, in the corners and in front of Price. He could be very valuable for a good decade playing that role.

    Pateryn has a good mix of size and toughness to go along with good offensive and defensive instincts. Good all around defenceman.

    Beulieu seems to have that little bit extra in tank when it comes to darting up the ice, making passes and contributing offensively. People are hoping that perhaps he takes Markov’s spot as the #2 guy on the defence depth chart, one day

    Very tough decision looms for the Canadiens coaching staff.

    • Mats Naslund says:

      With injuries and the rotation of bodies on defense as a reaction to play on the ice I bet you see all those guys for a significant amount of the season anyway. I agree though there is a lot to like about our D situation.

  17. Chris says:

    I agree that people should stop re-hashing the Ryan McDonagh trade…it was 5 years ago, a trade made by a different administration for a team that was very different than what is here today.

    On the other hand, I would also point out that people should equally stop re-hashing the Montreal dynasties of the past when trying to contextualize modern players. It was a different league. Comparing the Habs of the 1960’s or 1970’s with those of the 2000’s or present day is effectively comparing apples to sofas. You can do it, but it is utterly pointless.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      ….And maybe people should also stop rehashing about Kovalchuk in the KHL, or Koivu in Montreal, or what Steve Yzerman did as a player….

      This is HIO, and people can post whatever they wish.
      Different people have their own likes and dislikes.
      Posters have choices.
      They can read what they wish-engage, or skip.

      • Chris says:

        I absolutely agree with you, Ronn. I was being a little sarcastic. 🙂

        I couldn’t care less if people post about hockey or non-hockey…it’s all good for me. I’m increasingly in the non-hockey camp, simply because the hockey talk is a little stale until the season starts. I can’t get too excited about pre-season, because I honestly don’t think there is all that much on the line here.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I was venting a bit last night about McDonagh Ronn, I have to admit. I am just constantly perplexed at how people do go on and on about him. It is over, he is a wonderful player but he is not a Hab. I probably shouldn’t get pissed off at the sight of his name, but i admit I do….

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          hi burli

          Pretty soon there will be much more to chat about…until we play the Rangers again

        • Marc10 says:

          Got to say I’m more pissed at the sight of Kreider at this point. I just know that SOB is going to run Carey again. When that happens, the ice surface must be cleansed of his presence…

        • Chris says:

          I tend to agree with you. I have no bitterness towards the Habs regarding McDonagh. It happened.

          That being said, I **really** like his game, so I enjoy watching how he plays. Getting to watch a head-to-head playoff series with Subban and McDonagh, two of the best skaters in the NHL despite their different styles, was a real treat as a hockey fan.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I blame Dipsy. He announced a moratorium on any discussion of that trade and the two major players involved, then did nothing whatsoever to enforce it. In fact, I caught him in breach of his own ban a couple of times.

  18. Psycho29 says:

    Good Morning all!
    As Dave Stubbs pointed out on Twitter, 50 years ago last night the Habs’ Red vs White game was played in Montreal North.
    1,500 ‘satisfied’ fans watched the game. Times have changed!

  19. HabinBurlington says:

    For those curious on the details of just how the City of Detroit (the bankrupt city of Detroit) will pay for the new Wings arena without using tax dollars (as promised), here are the details.

    • Jocko says:

      Mike Illitch still owns Little Ceasar.s, correct? Peyton hit on a great plan to help with Mike with his stadium, open more restaurants in Washington State and Colorado!

      I don’t want to see Maurice tonight, I want to see The Rocket!

  20. HabinBurlington says:

    3 consecutive seasons Nathan Horton has missed significant games due to injuries, now news he may miss most or all of training camp with back issues. Integral piece of their lineup and perhaps a bit more leverage for Johansen’s camp.

  21. HabinBurlington says:

    I seem to recall in the offseason that the signing of Weaver was not a slam dunk, I wouldn’t be surprised if he really had hoped to get a 2 year deal given how well he played down the stretch and in the playoffs.

    The fact he received only a 1 year deal to me speaks to the fact that MB knows Weaver is a placeholder and not a “core” dman on this team. He received a sizable raise, up to 1.75 mill for the single season, but if indeed a Pateryn, Tinordi start showing the ability to play consistent D at the NHL level Weaver is by no means unmoveable or guaranteed a spot.

    He is a wonderful bottom pairing veteran who knows his place, never takes a shift off and provides some good leadership. He also has those beauty open ice hits which surprise the other team. I like him in our bottom pairing equally perhaps more than Gorges at much less caphit.

    I still believe the fact Bouillon was not given a contrat prior to camp that the possibility exists for 2 “rookie” dmen to crack the lineup. Heck by mid season it is possible that all 3 are up, but perhaps only 2 in the lineup regularly.

  22. Maritime Ronn says:

    The morning comedy, as the TSN Leaf sniffers strike again.
    You can’t make this stuff up

    @jonasTSN1050: ICYMI:
    Dion Phaneuf played tougher minutes than Chara, Weber, & Suter.

    What they forgot to mention:
    Minus – 19 in his last 20 games
    Ranked 83rd in Even Strength minutes played by all NHL Dmen

    46th in scoring for NHL DMen, yet had the 18th most PP minutes playing 1st Unit.
    If anyone wants to complain about Markov’s 3 years at $5.75M, The Pylon starts his 1st year of 7 years/$49M.
    That $7M Cap Hit will be the 6th highest in the NHL this year for Dmen.

    • Dust says:

      the guy works for tsn toronto. What did you expect?
      Listen to tsn montreal, you’d get the same bs about hab players

      • Just a Habs Fan says:

        What surprises me is people can still get fired up on what the various teams and announcers etc say about their teams. If you listen to this site probably 90% think Subban can win a game all by himself. They want to fire the coach each time PK isn’t played in this or that situation. It gets to be tiresome on here unless you see it for what it is……fan support with all the emotion that goes with that. However there are some really thoughtful posters on here that make it an important site to browse through. I enjoy reading all the posts on here.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I don’t dispute he played as tough minutes as any dman in the league, however, he didn’t play them as well as Chara, Weber & Suter and others.

  23. doug19 says:

    Weavers defensive stick work amazes me, he could give clinics!

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Weaver plays his position very well Doug. He was huge for the team late last season for the back end.

      All that said, he has limited skill. I don’t think he should interfere with the group of young 3 for ice time. Do you?

      • Paz says:

        Hi Jim, we will get a much better idea once the exhibition games begin, but I think Weaver is in as the 3rd pairing right side and 1st unit penalty kill.

        I like Weaver as a number 7 and as an injury replacement player.

        I’m hoping Pateryn steps up this week and answers the bell big time, forcing the hand to keep him.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Hiya Ed! I must admit I’ve got him ranked #3 in the young gun rankings behind Nate and Tiny but admittedly ive only seen him play a few times.

          Our friend Kooch whose seen him play often is high in him as well.

          • JF says:

            I think Pateryn at this point is defensively better than both Tinordi and Beaulieu.

          • Paz says:

            JF, that’s what I think I saw as well. He’s older, more confident, than when we last saw him. And he has more offensive ability than Tinordi as well.

            Hope that he can bring that game this week.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            Pateryn is older as he went the University route and is quite mature.

            I don’t think he has the Ceiling that Beaulieu and Hopefully Tinordi may have but time will tell. I really like how Pateryn answered the bell offensively last year. He was asked to work on his offensive side and I think he really did well last year in the AHL.

            I haven’t watched any of the streams of the scrimmages but it will be interesting to see if he gets a shot this year.

      • Maritime Ronn says:


        During last year’s playoffs, Mike Weaver played the most PK minutes of all Dmen followed by Gorges.

        Gorges is gone.
        If you sit Weaver, what is the make-up of 2 Dman units for the penalty kill?
        Forget about Beaulieu-Gilbert.

        Also to note, the Habs averaged a little over 3 minor penalties per game last year – that means more than 12 man minutes for the D crew need to be spread out.

        How much more can you ask of Markov?
        With Subban’s high energy game, making him play 30 minutes would hurt him at the end of the year..

  24. 24 Cups says:

    Here’s a great line describing the possible play of the Buffalo Sabres this year. “That they’ll Dishonor for Connor [McDavid] or that they’ll Win Jack to Win Jack [Eichel].

    24 Cups

  25. 24 Cups says:

    South Korea’s ice hockey teams will compete at the 2018 Winter Olympics after the sport’s governing body gave the hosts automatic entry into the competition in Pyeongchang.

    What a joke this will turn out to be.

    24 Cups

    • Cal says:

      I am hopeful the NHL stops going to the Olympics and institutes a World Cup every 4 years in between the Games.
      Canada played “bore them all to tears” hockey that was neither entertaining nor all that fun to watch. 4 of the 6 games they played were snooze fests. I’d rather it be a 23 and under squad like soccer does and let the NHL be the NHL.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Morning 24, Cal and Ron! I really had to resist the old, “It would be great for the game” crap here. I couldn’t do it with a straight face.

        It will sell a few tickets I suppose. CHeers.

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          Hi Jim

          I was hoping they could convince Japanese born goaltender
          Yutaka Fukufuji to become a Korean citizen.
          Just wanted to see that name spelled out on the back of the sweater.

      • AndyF says:

        Fully agreed! I watch my favorite cigar-smoking millionnaires every single NHL game they play. I wouldn’t miss it for anything. Go, Habs, Go!

        But to watch them come and steal the show from hard-working Olympic athletes who earn $20,000/year or less and get 6 minutes of coverage every 4 years is heart-breaking.

        NHL, stay out of the Olympics! I don’t need to see NHL hockey there. I want to see speed skaters, ski jumpers, and cross-country skiers representing their country for peanuts.

        Sports Canada, stop wasting the Olympic hockey budget on insuring NHL pros’ careers.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      You just might see a lot more of this

      South Korea awards citizenship to Canadian hockey player
      Hockey player:

      Brock Radunske becomes first pro athlete without Korean lineage to be granted citizenship. Native of New Hamburg, Ont., will help South Korea try to qualify for Olympics…..

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I’m much more afraid of North Korea.

  26. 24 Cups says:

    Here’s the Hockey News season preview for the Habs. No real surprises as it identifies Montréal’s two main question marks going into the season – two rookies on the D and a lack of scoring punch up front.

    24 Cups

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Good morning 24

      With all due respect to The Hockey News, the following is a miss:

      ” The loss of Gionta’s 18 goals (fourth-best on the team) and Briere’s offense (13 goals) won’t be totally offset by Bergevin’s additions, putting more responsibility and pressure on the likes of Lars Eller and Rene Bourque to produce better results than they did in 2013-14. If they can’t, Montreal will have to lean even more on Price than it already does. That’s too much.”
      The analysis totally ignored the most probable +20 goals that will come from PA Parenteau… if he can stay healthy.

      Two years ago during the strike shortened season PAP scored 18 goals in 48 games…Vanek had 17.
      Last year, he was injury plagued yet still managed a +20 goal/82 game pace.

      Contrary to what most likely will happen in Montreal, Parenteau did not have many total PP minutes in Colorado compared to the other forwards – and some were played on the point and only managed 1 PP goal.
      That total will surely increase.

      • 24 Cups says:

        I think the main sticking point of any debate about Montreal’s potential scoring is the placement of Vanek in the overall discussion. Do you isolate him as strictly a rental or do you include him as scoring that needs to be replaced? Regardless, the two main differences are:

        Out – Vanek, Gionta and Briere
        In – Parenteau, Rookie and Malhotra

        Out – Gorges and Bouillon
        In – Gilbert and Beaulieu

        Everybody is talking about the new forwards but I wouldn’t discount the importance of having two new Dmen who can really move the puck. No more memories of being automatically hemmed in our own end when Bouillon and Murray were on the ice.

        24 Cups

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          On D, It’s looks as though GMMB is trying to copy a system he is familiar with and that won a Cup.

          The Hawks Top 4 are all mobile and can all move the puck – Keith, Seabrook, Oduya and Hjalmarsson.

          Even the bottom pairing of Leddy (Beaulieu similar) and Roszival are good puck movers.

  27. Maritime Ronn says:

    BROSSARD – Coming off an injury-riddled campaign, Brandon Prust is eager to contribute…fully recovered from a torn oblique muscle that plagued him during the latter stages of the regular season last year.
    So there is the answer to the “Upper Body” injury…

    Yes, here’s understanding that these No Hitter scrimmages are just for the guys to find their legs and try and also find some chemistry.

    As good as DD-Max-PAP looked in terms of familiarity, the potential 4th line of Manny-Weise Prust also showed some great initial chemistry and could become one of the best 4th lines in the NHL.
    Big, strong, and they can all play the game.
    The LA Kings recipe.

  28. Bash says:

    The Habs a la Bergevin are very much in transition.
    Certainly any good team could make a run with Price holding the fort but it seems they are looking at 2017.

    Our line up will be very different then with Weaver, Bourque, Gilbert, Maholtra, Prust, Plekanek and likely Markov all gone. The defence will be young, tough and mobile. And our forward lines should have the right combination of moxie and skill. In the interim we get to watch a very good group of prospects audition for those spots.

    This season the debates will continue to rage about which kids should be playing right now.

    Good times!

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

  29. Mavid ® says:

    16 and one more sleep before the warm up begins!!!!!

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

    • AliHaba says:

      #16. Henri Richard. One of the most diminutive players in the history of the game. His record of eleven Stanley Cup wins as a player will never be broken. Started his career with five consecutive cups in the shadow of his famous brother Maurice “The Rocket”. Finished his career as captain and mentor to some of the team that would go on to four consecutive cups.
      I remember well his controversial cup-winning goal in 1966 against the Red Wings. Sliding into the crease and then into the net, taking the puck and Roger Crozier with him.
      Also, the 1971 Cup after publically railing against coach Al MacNeil, he scored the game-tying and winning goals in Game#7 right in Chicago.
      And I can’t forget the 1973 cup when the Pocket Rocket in his only win as Captain was so drained after the last game that he could barely lift the cup when it was presented to him.

      I would be remiss by not mentioning another famous Hab #16….Elmer Lach. The center of the famous Punch Line with Rocket Richard and Toe Blake. He led the league in scoring twice becoming the first recipient of the Art Ross trophy in 1945. He won the Hart Memorial Trophy as MVP that same season and established the then record of 54 assists in a season (in a 50 game schedule). Winner of three Stanley Cups. Still hale and hearty at the ripe old age of 96.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Henri Richard.

  30. on2ndthought says:

    Re: D corps:
    Gilbert (and Weaver) are good puck movers and first passers. The plan is to spend less time in the d-zone. Not sure about Gilbert but Weaver is as good at gap control as any Hab I’ve seen since Spacek. This is another skill that minimizes offensive opportunity for the other team (and has nothing to do with MOAR bigger).

    I think most of us read about Gilbert’s strengths and weaknesses and trust MB to have found a cog to get our machine running more smoothly. Weaver was impressive enough to deserve his contract which is not too large to prevent him from sharing the press box if a prospect like Nygren or Pateryn forces his way onto the team.

    “a cannonading drive”

  31. No Surprise here.

    Dave Stubbs ‏@Dave_Stubbs 39m
    Tonight’s scrimmage will be skated in front of a full house at Bell Centre. #Habs website this morning indicates no tickets are available

    Shane Oliver
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    You’re working and I’m Shooting Pucks at Elvis


    Gionta? Brian Gianta Paz? Players like Gionta are like buttwarmers in Manitoba……they’re every where and at his age letting him go is the best thing for the organization. You have to make room for the young guys and there’s only one way to do it. Don’t be scared, be excited for who may take his place.

    Same goes for Josh, everyone liked him but someone had to go on D, to make room.

    It’s just too bad the team was built so fast for success, one or two more years of bottom third would have been nice especially since Eichel and McDavid look so strong. But other teams in the East are playing that game. Toronto, Buffalo and Florida are playing that game and we’ll laugh at them all season long, but if Toronto ends up with picks one or two I am gonna poop myself, because big ol Steven S was a Maple Leaf fan and with all the silly talk about him coming home (I don’t think he would, TB will be powerhouse SC contender by then) it could be scary in Laugh Land.

    Dirty Marc Bergevin, he’s damn good at his job, and that bum Therrien his X-Wing Left Right Out Trap is winning games. Arggg. 🙂

    Shane Oliver
    Custom Sports Figures
    You’re working and I’m Shooting Pucks at Elvis

  33. HabinBurlington says:

    Started reading through the thread and got ill, holy shit let’s relive the f$ck$ng McDonagh trade so more, maybe then we can go back in time! People make fun of Leaf fans for grasping, not sure we are any better with this 4 yr. old chubby for a guy who is gone.

    • Paz says:

      Are you at all concerned about the Gilbert, Emelin, Weaver trio on defence, and Gionta, one of our better defensive forwards, gone upfront?

      I am.

      12 months ago no one wanted Gilbert and he accepted 1 yr and 900k from one of the weakest teams in the league.
      Emelin with Subban? Really? So now Emelin is the defensive stalwart who is going to allow Subban to take chances? Really?
      Isn’t Mike Weaver a journeyman, average NHL dman, or has he suddenly become a terrific player just because we signed him?

      How do people represent Gilbert as being an “upgrade” on Gorges?
      They are two completely different dmen with different qualities.
      Gilbert is an offensive player, a guy who takes chances, a puck mover, a powerplay dman, not a defensive zone player.

      Hoping for the best here, but I’m concerned.

      And Gionta was also excellent as a defensive forward. Experienced, defensively aware, able to match up well against other teams top lines on the right side.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        If I didn’t have concerns we’d be true cup favourites. I like our d better this yr. than last year.. I don’t think Gilbert is the reject u describe, but I also don’t see him as a saviour. I hope by years end or midway through he is bottom pairing. I am confident Emelin is better this year, he missed all training camp last year, he spent off season rehabbing and he is now back on natural side. I like Weaver, I like hike more than Gorges.

        But mostly I believe we see the beginning of Beaulieau Tinordi Pateryn and 2 of them I think play big minutes by year end.

        But most importantly I’m tired of McDonagh talk.

      • Marc10 says:

        Gilbert helps balance out the Left-Right D. Thus the optimism in terms of Yemmy playing on his natural side. He mostly helps in getting Josh’s big contract off the books. He’s also good on the second unit PP. Apparently he rebounded nicely last year in Florida following a really bad time in Minny.

        Weaver is a journeyman, but a solid guy. He hits hard and plays a safe game. He looked great during the playoffs I might add. I think he’s a great fit at a reasonable price. Would he play on a contender out West, probably not. But he’s just the ticket while we wait for kids with a higher ceiling to graduate and make their mark on the team.

        I’m optimistic. Not concerned at all with Weaver. Gilbert is a relative unknown entity so that’s a worry (I’ll just assume MB did the best he could there as he couldn’t land Garrisson or Franson to fill that spot). Yemmy will be interesting. He’s got to sort some things out with his game. Hopefully playing on his natural side does the trick.

        Overall, I think we’re looking at a better D than last year. That much I’d wager…

        • rhino514 says:

          Franson, despite great offensive numbers most of the last few seasons, didn´t sign for that much more than Gilbert in the end. He was also minus 20, of course that´s in the context of being a Leaf, but his plus minus was worse than all the other Dmen, I think.
          We don´t need Gilbert to be great, we just need him to be ok; if he can play like he did last year in Florida, he´s more than ok.
          I agree that Emelin having a better year, one of the kids being able to take on quality minutes, and Markov not slowing down markedly, are the keys to our D being respectable in the coming season. I´m optimistic that all three can happen.

      • CH Sam says:

        Actually, I feel less concerned now with Briere and Gio gone, and I thought Gio was a good leader for us. Not too concerned about Gilbert either, we’ll find out when the puck drops. I actually thought Weaver was the better Dman than Gorges over the playoffs. If anything, I’m hoping that Gilbert fits into some sort of puck-moving tough-to-play-against scheme that MT is cooking up. For me the most important factors are that Price remains healthy, Subban takes it to another level again, and MaxPac rips it up more consistently with help from DD

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I see Tom Gilbert and Mike Weaver as placeholders, guys who hopefully will do okay or better, on very reasonable-tradable contracts, until the Hamilton boys force them out. It’s a small upgrade over last year with Josh’s big contract and Raphaël Diaz, and a better left-right balance. I believe Alexei Emelin will be better on the left side, further removed from ACL reconstruction.

        Ideally, a year from now Jarred Tinordi is P.K.’s partner, Nathan is on the second pairing, and one of the kids has bumped out Mike Weaver on the third pairing, say Greg Pateryn, with Magnus Nygren and Darren Dietz making life uncomfortable for Tom Gilbert.

        Marc Bergevin tried to improve the D, he almost pried Cody Franson out of Toronto. It didn’t work out, but we were batting around the idea that both Mr. Franson and Mr. Gilbert could have been brought in. When the Toronto trade fell through, he might have fallen back on Mike Weaver as Plan B.

        I think to fault Marc Bergevin for not bringing in better defencemen, without any obvious trade chips, and a salary cap, is kind of like faulting Dave Nonis for not bringing in that big #1 centre. Except for the part where they themselves said they were going to do just that.

        I agree that our defence squad isn’t overwhelming, but it’s better than any we’ve had the last few years, and we have a bunch of kids on the farm about to ripen. My glass is 2/3rd full.

      • franco says:

        Weaver replaced Gorges.

        Pre season units are not to be taken seriously.

        Gilbert is a offensive player, correct, probably replaces Bouilon, sort of.

        Weaver fills an important spot, watch him play, what is there not to like.

    • franco says:

      First thing to remember is the ‘salary cap’. If you have to many high end good players, you will lose them anyways.

      As it stands (subject to change) Subban and Price alone will command 20% of the cap. Add in the obvious other core players and you will lose players, you would like to keep.

      Fitting worthy players under the cap will be the challenge and keeping the pluggers happy as well.

  34. Dulljerk says:

    I’ve been watching the scrimmages. Training camps aren’t what they used to be. This is what hockey would look like with no hitting. Very soft approach to scrimmaging, I guess with a bunch of multi-millionaires pansying around nobody wants to break a nail. I’m surprised some of the young guys weren’t more aggressive.

    No eternal reward will forgive us for wasting the dawn.

  35. ClutchNGrab says:

    Just a little reminder by Dale Weise of what we’ve seen so far during the scrimmage (translated):

    Weise believes that intrasquad games offer lousy game because they are devoid of physical play and riddled with turnovers.

    “It’s like figure skating with hockey skills, launched the combative winger saying he’s frustrated having to show restraint. If we played like that in the real season, Sidney Crosby would get 300 points and Steven Stamkos would score 147 goals! ”

  36. Mattyleg says:


    Just watched some of the NHL Top 100 on Sportsnet.

    I’m sorry, but that channel just looks cheap.
    Like really cheap.
    And the hosts are incredibly irritating.
    Thank heck I watch RDS.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  37. Marc10 says:

    So Nygren eh…? How’s he doing?

    Anyone seen him on the ice so far. I haven’t heard a thing (good or bad).

  38. TorontoHabsFan says:

    If we’re talking trades that hurt. For some reason Bure for Zalapski always stuck in my craw. If I remember correctly we had a rough year with injuries on defence and the Zalapski trade just reeked of a band-aid solution.

    Valeri was no Pavel, but he was pretty nifty in his own right.

    Dunno why, but that one burned.

  39. Just to poke the bear, losing McDonagh is nothing to losing John LeClaire, and Eric Desjardins in one deal, and then Patrick Roy and Mike Keane in the other. Those two deals alone set back the team a decade. We know that for sure. Where as McDonagh as much as it hurts isn’t even worth mentioning for another ten years. Then to make myself feel even better about the whole thing I think about the Toronto Maple Leafs, and Andrew RayCroft, Mikhael Tellqvist, Tyler Seguin, Doug Hamilton,and I know there are others all connected with that deal……Jamie Benn maybe. 😆

    If you want bad, how about the entire 1978 draft year or 1980 #1 pick……that’s bad. McDonagh just hurts a little compared to those little notes. We bounced back pretty quick, playoffs every year and we got one #3 pick. Not bad for losing a top 10 defenseman who will Captain a losing team for the next decade.

    Ahhhhhh that felt GREAT!

    Shane Oliver
    Custom Sports Figures
    You’re working and I’m Shooting Pucks at Elvis

    • Caesar says:

      those 2 trades were brutal. We are in a much better position now so McD doesn’t hurt that bad. I agree losing Roy, Keane ,Desjardins, and Leclerc for very little return was killer. At least Rucinsky and Recci turned out OK but what a $hit show that was.

    • frozengolf says:

      What about trading Chelios for an over-the-hill Savard? What about Rod Langway for Rick Green and Ryan Walter? I know those two were decent players but they weren’t a dominant Norris trophy winner like Langway. All these deals hurt!

      “We know that hockey is where we live, where we can best meet and overcome pain and wrong and death. Life is just a place where we spend time between games.”

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      • franco says:

        Frozengolf (ha, ha).

        Now the facts: ( scarey)

        Savard was 29 years old coming off an 80 point season.

        Montreal need offense badly, they only had Richor.

        Savard got 59 points his first season in Montreal with 28 goals, with 13 points in the playoffs.

        He got 70 points his second season with another 28 goals and 12 points in the playoffs.

        His final season in Montreal he got 50 points. Montreal had improved so much they won the cup and Savard was not needed.

        Nobody new Chelious would play until he was almost 50.

        Chelious had some maturity issues at the time and he straightened up in Chicago.

        Sorry if the facts get in the way of your fantasy’s

        • frozengolf says:

          Hey Franco, pass me whatever it is you are smoking. Are you saying Montreal won the Savard trade? He was a shell of what he had been, and was a healthy scratch many times durning the 1993 cup run. Meanwhile the Habs trade Chelios after his first Noris for the past his prime Savard, and he goes on to win 2 more Norris trophies and is a regular on the all-star teams. Yes he had some maturity issues, but good management takes care of it’s stars, not trades them away. Seriously, shake your head if you think Montreal won this trade.

          “We know that hockey is where we live, where we can best meet and overcome pain and wrong and death. Life is just a place where we spend time between games.”

  40. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Good evening ladies & gents. One thing that still bothers me from the Boston/Montreal series is Lucic’s threats to Emelin & Weise. I understand emotions run high during a series & you say something that you end up regretting & all that but to threaten 2 players during a handshake while the league looks the other way is inexcusable IMO. Thought more about it after the theatrics last week in the NFL regarding Ray Rice & Adrian Petterson. Does anyone out there think that the Lucic incident was a “no big deal” & that the league was right in not getting involved? Would like to hear your opinions.

    • Here’s the deal with those threats, if any injuries occur from Lucic doing something nasty he’ll be suspended for life. There’s hockey talk then there’s criminal intent….or what ever they call it.

      Chelios threatened a referee once, the NHL called Chris up, had a nice little chat and basically said if you follow through with your threat towards the official that you’d never play the game again. Chelios played until he was 48 😆

      Shane Oliver
      Custom Sports Figures
      You’re working and I’m Shooting Pucks at Elvis

    • CJ says:

      Personally, I’m glad he said it, and glad that Aaron Ward, among others, called immediate attention to it. It cast Lucic in an unfavourable light and basically forces the league to act swiftly and justly should he engage in any aggressive behaviour going forward.

      Secondly, and I appreciate that I only speak for myself and a very few others, but what comes around goes around. We have guys in our system who can play and handle themselves. Chara is nearly finished. The Bruins will look different this year without Thorton and Iggy. Give it another year or two and Montreal is going to not only beat them on the scoreboard, but in the alley….badly.

    • Marc10 says:

      I do think Lucy’s set himself up with his comments. If he goes after Weise or Yemmy, he’s going to likely take a dumb penalty and cost his team. If he doesn’t go after them, than he’s full of it.

      Could be a tough year for him this year if his wrist is giving him problems. Guys are going to know he can’t fight and will provoke him into taking dumb penalties. That will land him Julien’s doghouse and that’s going to make for an unhappy camper…

      As for the league… We know it’s a bush outfit with the likes of Daddy Campbell going to bat for his son’s team over and over again then resigning his post and going onto the ice to get a picture with his son and the cup. The fact that this guy is still employed tells you all you need to know about how the league responds to transgressions from the Bruins. And don’t get me started about Jeremy Jacobs and his vise-like grip on the Board of Govs and Gary’s jewels…

    • franco says:

      No big deal. If Weise had of kept quiet, who would know or care.

      Just showed how Montreal got to him. He looked foolish and it will be a forgotten issue by Halloween.

      One guy putting it out there and disappointed and acting out. They have probably talked or tweeted each other and it is over, all is forgiven.

      You said it yourself, ‘THEATRICS’.

      Private conversation between two players, Lucic’s hands are tied now.

  41. HabFab says:

    After watching the forward kids in the scrimmages, have more hope for Hamilton this season. Cast still missing Crisp and Carr, both skating but recovering from off season surgeries. But Sorkin, Thomas, Hudon, de La Rose, Sekac, Dumont and Andrighetto have all looked good. Bozon will take some time to fully recover but expect by Xmas he will be producing. Throw in the veterans Dowell, Hensick plus Holland = competitive!

  42. Hobie says:

    So it looks like Subban and Emelin are one pair of defencemen. Markov and Gilbert are the other. Who’s going to be the third pair?

    From what I’ve seen of the scrimmages, a few minutes of each game, Tinordi and Pateryn have looked pretty smooth playing together. That’s one heck of a 3rd pairing IMO. Some much needed toughness, potentially very solid defence and the ability to move the puck up the ice.

    Would love it if that’s how things ended up.

    • HabFab says:

      My money is on Weaver alternating with Beaulieu and Tinordi.

      • Hobie says:

        Good chance of that as well. I thought Weaver was a lock but now that the coaching staff has rolled Tinordi and Pateryn out there for three consecutive days I’m starting to wonder?

        • HabFab says:

          Weaver and Beaulieu have played those games also, just on the weaker White team.

          • Hobie says:

            The weaker team. That’s a good point. Do the coaches see it as the weaker team? Who has looked better? Weaver/Beaulieu or Tinordi/Pateryn? From the limited action I’ve seen it’s been Tinordi and Pateryn.

            Does Bergevin have the stones to not sign Bouillon and sit Weaver and go with the kids?

          • CJ says:

            No, I don’t believe so Hobie. Not if it’s close. Frankie has been full tilt trying to make this team, while other veterans are in second and third gear. Weaver seems to be a Bergevin kind of guy. Keep in mind, Bergy was a depth defencemen, so he likely has a soft spot for guys like weaver and Frankie.

    • Marc10 says:

      After the playoffs, I really can’t see Beaulieu out of the lineup. He has a great first pass, but you’d imagine his spot is Gilbert’s for now. For a third pairing, you could do a lot worse than alternating the big kids with Weaver (not that Beaulieu is small by any means…)

      It’s going to be interesting to see who makes it. How has Nygren been doing, btw? I haven’t heard anything on that front which is probably not great for the Swede with da Bomb.

      • Hobie says:

        Two days ago I believed Beaulieu was a lock. Now I’m not so sure?

        On one of the goals today Beaulieu got knocked down by Pacioretty behind the net and Max walked right out in front and scored.

        So with the strong play of Tinordi/Pateryn, plus the fact the Habs already have three offensive defencemen in Subban, Markov and Gilbert, Beaulieu could potentially be sent down.

        • Marc10 says:

          Yeah, I saw De La Rose skate right through him on a goal. Then again, same thing happened to Tiny a little later (I think Hudon embarrassed him…)

          Pre-season games are going to be huge for Beaulieu. True dat.

    • CJ says:

      If it was based on play, thus far the Pateryn Tinordi pairing has been better then the weaver Beaulieu pairing. That said, reports indicate that Weaver is a lock, so it appears only one guy will start, with the possibility of one more finding room in the opening 23 man roster.

  43. YEAH says:

    @CJ: Wardly is good, as is Thrower, but Finley is an embarrassment, he lost to Sortini, SORTINI!

    • dr. schmutzdeker says:

      You forgot the udder “t”.

    • CJ says:

      Finley is a turkey. Big, but that’s it. It’s a sad state of affairs from a toughness perspective. I like what thrower brings, but he and Prust should not be fighting guys over 6’2″. Tinordi is likely to give someone a go, in an effort to prove his worth. He’s a decent fighter, but not nearly in the same league as Nevins.

      Finley handled Prust last season.

  44. AliHaba says:

    Speaking of trades….one of the most influential trades in the history of the NHL was the acquisition of Frank Mahovlich by the Habs from Detroit. He had a big input on both the 1971 and 1973 cup wins for Montreal. Going to Detroit were Bill Collins, Guy Charron, and Mickey Redmond. All three had successful NHL careers but never came close to what the Big M did. The line of Mahovlich, Beliveau, and Cournoyer struck fear into the hearts of all NHL teams.

  45. YEAH says:

    Just gonna weigh in on the Lucic topic.

    1) I don’t know if anybody else knows this, but Lucic came to camp with a messed up wrist. As a former kickboxing fanatic (in my long bygone youth) I can assure you all that fighting with a strained or broken wrist is very difficult. So if there is a time for someone in Blu Blanc Rouge to sucker Lucic, It has to be soon.

    2) NO ONE wants McCarron to be an enforcer, literally no one. The kid can really fight, but he’s hopefully aiming to be Kieth Primau-lite rather than Bob Probert.

    3) Tinordi, IMO beats anyone on the Bruins not named Lucic. He would get the better of Boychuck or McQuaid, and he would DESTROY Marchand easily.

    4) Even if Lucic does not play on tuesday, we should still dress our tougher prospects like Nevins and Crisp. We could make a huge statement by beating up their prospects in a line brawl-situation. Stick it to the man, have some courage.

    • HabFab says:

      Crisp recovering from shoulder surgery and Nevins injured at camp.

    • AliHaba says:

      You think Tinordi can beat Chara?

      • YEAH says:

        yep. Chara is not nearly the player he once was. His fighting skills have declined noticeably. He just holds on nowadays. If someone can get on the inside and fire of some hard shots on his chin he’ll go down like a redwood. Mark my words.

      • Marc10 says:

        Chara is still very dangerous. I wouldn’t bother. It would be out of place anyway for a rookie to go after a veteran like that. I’d just let him get frustrated with our forecheckers. Like Lucy, the big guy doesn’t like getting hit (especially by the likes of Gallagher or Yemmy who won’t find them but will run them every chance they get…)

        • YEAH says:

          he had one win last year, and it was against Brian Boyle who is a punching bag.

          I say hit him every chance you get, spit in his face and dare him do do something about it. He may seem intimidating but he cracks under pressure.

          And if he decides to do something about it, oblige him, he’s beatable now.

          • Marc10 says:

            He is slowing down for sure. I just don’t see the need to engage him. Chara much like Lucy really gets annoyed by the likes of Gally or Yemmy or Weise just running him without being able to retaliate. He’s just not up for a full game of that and will cost his team dearly if he goes to the box…

    • CJ says:

      At this point, I’d settle for Bob Probert (in response to the MacCarron comparison). MacCarron needs to step it up.

      • YEAH says:

        He’s not that type of player. Crisp could be our Probert, not as good, but same role. Tough guy who can play.

        • CJ says:

          I’m liking Crisp. I hate that he and Nevins are injured. Wardley and Finley are the only tough guys in camp.

          MacCarron is not a great fighter, nor does he need to be. As a first rounder, I was hoping for a Primeau, just rather it was Keith, not Wayne.

          • YEAH says:

            How bad are the Hanson brothers’ injuries?

            I know Crisp has a bad shoulder, which is scary. Shoulder injuries are what ended Mike Komisarek’s career.

            I don’t know what hurt Nevins though.

        • CJ says:

          Sorry Yeah, just to clarify, I’m not suggesting Mac is a fighter, nor do I want him to be a fighter. I’m suggesting that if you told me today that MacCarron could enjoy the same career as Probert, I’d settle for it. I’m behind Mac, but he’s not showing me anything to get excited about. The first two scrimmages he looked slow, disorganized and otherwise well below the calibre of play from dlr, Sorkin, Thomas, Hudon, Andrighetto, among others.

          • YEAH says:

            I totally understood what you meant, no worries.

            Hudon will never make the NHL ever. I’d bet my account on it. I hope Andreghetto never sniffs a spot on this team. The presence of another weed is offensive to the fans.

    • Alvin says:

      Who said or saw that Mc Carron can really fight.? I had read that he lost more than he won Habs definitely do want him to try and be a heavyweight

  46. Caesar says:

    I’ve been MIA the past few days did Nygren or Reway come to camp?

  47. HardHabits says:

    Doesn’t anybody bemoan the Leclair-Desjardins for Recchi trade? That one had me burning.

    It’s been just like *ugh* all around for the Habs trade history prior to the current regime, and by that I mean from ’93 until the end of Gauthier… it’s like a litany of comedies of errors.

    Hard to believe that the Habs actually snagged Kovalev and traded Rivet for Gorges and the pick that became Pacioretty. Apart from that the whole Centennial fiasco and Baker Bob news conference were the icing on the cake to a whole lot of dysfunctional moments.

    The slogan “Rise Together” became “Writhe Together”.

    • PK says:

      I hated the Roy trade and the fact that Montreal got rid of Chelios.
      However, worst trade/transfer was Wayne Gretzky to LA.
      If I was an Oilers fan or an Edmontonian, the “Gretzky to LA” fiasco would still hurt. The mother of all bad “trades.”
      For me, that was the classic example of Hockey being business and $$$.

      >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
      _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

      “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

      – Nostradamus, 1552

    • GGtheHab says:

      yes last century that mattered….

    • Marc10 says:

      Savard really lost the plot post 93. He managed to sneak in a cup on the back of St Patrick and then traded some of the building blocks from that very cup run.

      Desjardins was showing some less than inspired play at the time and Leclair was really needing a big center to let him come into his own, but flipping both to a divisional rival for Dr Recchi was a terrible trade.

      You had to wonder what Ol’ Serge was thinking when he decided to make that trade within the conference to boot. Just nuts… I guess every dog has his day and he was well and truly done post 89 really. (Got lucky with Demers and 93…)

      Yep, I hated that trade back then and still hate it. Chelios for Savard too. That was incredibly stupid. But that’s what happens when you’re not well surrounded and answer to practically no one.

      Hey, revisiting those awful deals (and of course there’s the St Patrick Fiasco) really makes me feel better about the McDonaugh debacle… I guess it’s all relative. 🙂

  48. Marc10 says:

    So we’re re-visiting the Gomez trade, eh…

    IMO, there’s little point in revisiting that sorry chapter. Gainey and Gauthier are gone and so is their ‘running things on the cheap’ mentality. No one is counting cookies with the Habs anymore. MB is well surrounded and I’d say the odds are well stacked on our side of winning the next major trade. The on-ice product looks to be heading in the right direction. And to his credit… MB kept the best thing about the previous regime: Trevor Timmins.


  49. mfDx says:

    With Sportsnet and RDS announcing more and more Habs telecasts daily last month, (we needed an auctioneer) I chose to wait until today to figure out my viewing options.
    Will I be able to see the Habs /Bruins tuesday preseason game in Toronto?
    Will “Canadiens Express” be a national telecast?

    Sent from my CHphone

  50. Marc10 says:

    Well that’s good news I guess. As long as the boys stay healthy through came and develop some chemistry, we’ll be just fine. Looks like PA for Briere is well on its way to being a steal (although come playoff time, PA will be hard pressed to replace Mr Playoff’s clutch assists and goals…)

    Good to see Charles Hudon has sorted out his back issues. I recall when Drouin broke out on Canada’s Junior Team it was all him and Hudon before the latter got injured.

    Hudon is a very smart hockey player. Great hands and vision. Moving him to center makes a lot of sense. Can’t wait to see him with Andrighetto. I wish he had Lehkonen to play with too. They’re smaller guys, but they can all play. I would expect they get a crack at the NHL, but probably not with the Habs as long as DD and Gally remain healthy.

  51. CJ says:

    I don’t know how much longer I’m going to bother torturing myself watching Baie-Comeau this year, for the singular purpose of watching Imama play. Once again this afternoon, the kid looks great. He scored, policed, was effective in all zones and hits to hurt. The kid likely won’t get more then five fights this year as word will get around, if it hasn’t already, that’s he tough and skilled with the fists.

    I’m holding out hope that Montreal might have asked him to round out his game with the understanding that a contract could be in the offering. As I said earlier today, he won’t last through next year’s draft. Having just turned 18 in August, he’s young, and much like Crisp or Lerout, is likely poised to jump into the third round at next year’s draft. I know he hasn’t shown much last year, but it’s amazing how things can click from one season to the next.

  52. Mattyleg says:

    Just came online.

    This is big news.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  53. Phil C says:

    Subban’s Dad can beat up McDonagh’s Dad.

  54. JF says:

    There’s no question that the McDonagh trade was one of the worst in Habs’ history. I think it was 24Cups who posted on hearing of it that it would set the franchise back by at least five years. Sounds about right to me. The worst thing about the trade was that it was totally unnecessary. Glen Sather was so desperate to get rid of Gomez that he would practically have paid us to take him.

    As for the argument that we wouldn’t have been in a position to draft Galchenyuk without the Gomez trade; probably not, but that consideration isn’t really relevant. Drafting Galchenyuk doesn’t make the trade any better.

    But that trade was five years ago. Maybe it’s time to move on. Focus on what we’ve got and where we’re going.

  55. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Ryan Mcdonagh will never win a Norris


    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Maybe he never will, yet Subban’s Norris has a big asterisk beside it – 48 game schedule, with no Inter Conference play and he happened to have a lot of points.
      How a Norris goes to a player that isn’t/wasn’t trusted to play on its own team’s Top 4 PK is still a mystery.

      The most recent season showed the unbiased Norris vote for all around best Dmen.

      McDonaugh finished 8th in the voting, and Subban was 14th

      • Paz says:

        The “Mystery” is solved quite easily.

        1) Subban plays 2 minutes on the power play

        2) Habs penalty kill has been excellent without him

        3) Therrien is Therrien.
        Who’s to say how Mcdonaugh would be used by a coach like Therrien?
        it took the man until game 6, with our backs against the wall, for him to finally remove the worst dman in the NHL from our lineup.

        And the holding the Habs “hostage” with his salary demands is really ridiculous and out of line.
        Subban was a RFA with arbitration
        The Habs could have waited until the Monday ruling by the arbitrator.
        Our GM, who you correctly admire, is a big boy, and he knew exactly what he was doing the whole time; when he pushed Subban to sign a bridge deal, all the way until they announced the 72 million dollar deal

        I think it’s insulting to Bergevin to suggest that Subban held him hostage with salary demands.

  56. twilighthours says:

    Say it ain’t so. Not more McDonagh trade chatter.

    Let it go.

    • Haberoooo13 says:

      YES please….then if those who want to talk about it…talk about the Rivet trade for Gorges and what turned out to be Patch also

      Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

  57. B says:

    I noticed the Ottawa Sun still has the “Canadiens earn some respect with Game 7 victory over Bruins” article by Chris Stevenson listed at the top right of their sports web page under “Featured Columnists”. The article is from May 14th, the day before Stevenson was laid off. He was the best sportswriter they had.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  58. Lafleurguy says:

    If the Rangers had P.K.’s offensive threat in last year’s finals, they possibly would have extended the Kings to seven games. I prefer P.K. over McDonagh in my personal unbiased opinion.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      If we had Mcd against the rangers we might have got to the finals.

      Both are great d men and in the head to head match up in the ecf Mcd was better than Subban.

      PK won’t forget that and hopefully will be even better

  59. Un Canadien errant says:

    Man, that Chargers win in Buffalo was too easy. Not being a jackass, it’s like the Bills never had a chance. E.J. Manuel is very unimpressive, another college athlete who can’t play QB in the NFL, like Tim Tebow. Can’t read the play, an arm like a lawn sprinkler, spraying footballs all over the field.

    Buffalo needs to go back into the draft, and get itself a true quarterback next year if one is available, but to not force it and reach for a Christian Ponder or a Blaine Gabbert. If you don’t get one at the right cost, patch the hole with a Kyle Orton or a Matt Cassell and try again the year after.

    It’s somewhere between a toothless attack and a vicious homage.–Paul Rudd

    • UKRAINIANhab says:

      I get what your saying however, every NFL QB was infact a college QB… But Manuel looked better earlier in the year, so we will see

      Marrone can coach, I watched him at Syracuse and now for the Bills, Bills had an off day… To say the least

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Come on Uke, I’m not dogging the Bills at all, I have a soft spot for them, actually. I commiserate with Bills fans.

        I’m calling him a college quarterback, like Tim Tebow or Vince Young, one who can win at that level with superb athleticism and leadership, but can’t make the next step up compared to a pocket passer who ran a pro-style offence in college, guys like Matt Stafford and Andrew Luck. When discussing NFL QB’s, the term ‘college quarterback’ or ‘system quarterback’ is usually well understood.

        When scouts gush about an NCAA quarterback who has all the tools to succeed in the NFL, they call him that, an “NFL quarterback” as opposed to the near-epithet “college quarterback” like Andre Ware or Kliff Kingsbury.

        And I didn’t call the coaching of the Bills in question, although the upheaval they’re going through and the shouting matches didn’t bode well for the season.

      • habsfan0 says:

        Marrone’s record at Syracuse was exactly .500.
        If that would be Therrien’s record with the Habs, I don’t think you’d say “he can coach.”

        • UKRAINIANhab says:

          Before Doug Marrone took over we were one of the worst teams in college football due to a former head coach names Greg Robinson. Aka “GERG”. We went 2-10, 3-9, 3-9 until Doug took over and with limited talent, managed to get the team 2 bowl wins in 3 years. It was quite remarkable actually what he did with limited talent

          As for Hacket, he is rather useless, he only got the OC job with the bills because we had one of the best NCAA QBs.

          Im an alum so yeah I know all this

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      I can’t believe I recommended Woodhead and he got injured on his first carry. This will be a tough injury for SD to overcome. Time for Grice I guess…

    • habsfan0 says:

      The Chargers completely schooled the Bills despite all their injuries.
      EJ Manuel and Stefon Gilmore are 2 first round duds.
      Unfortunately, the Bills traded away next year’s 1st round pick to Cleveland in order to move up in this year’s draft and select Sammy Watkins.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Yeah, it will be hard to get the most out of Sammy Watkins, to get value out of that pick without a QB who can deliver him the ball.

        It’s too bad about E.J., he seems like a great guy in interviews, but the Bills were desperate for a QB when they grabbed him, that’s rarely a good situation to draft from.

        Down Ryan Mathews and Danny Woodhead at RB, it’s going to be tough the next few weeks, although the schedule is pretty appealing, with the Raiders and Jags coming up.

        • habsfan0 says:

          I’ll be in Montreal next weekend.
          The local CBS affiliate there, WCAX Burlington,Vermont, will be televising the Bills Houston game.
          I hope it’s worth watching and the Bills performance then won’t make me feel like gagging as I’m having my Schwartz’s smoked meat sandwich.

  60. Maritime Ronn says:

    prep writes…
    keep hearing about the gainey era and how giving up mcdonut was the worst trade.. but do you think the hab would have had the opportunity to draft galchy??I don’t think so>> who would you rather have play for the habs?

    I’ll get crucified for the following, but it is what it is.

    I’ve read that argument before, yet put in perspective it will still go down as one of the worst Habs trades in history along with Roy, Chelios and Leclair/Desjardins deals.

    1) Yes, the Habs were able to draft Galchenyuk at #3 in 2012, yet there were some very good and projected to be excellent players drafted AFTER him.
    Dmen Morgan Reilly-Hampus Lindholm-Jacob Trouba-Olli Maatta, along with forwards Philip Forberg-Zemgus Girgensons-Tomas Hertl-Tanner Pearson……

    2) Several NHL people see a better “ALL AROUND” upside with McDonagh going forward.
    Apart from being the Rangers PP QB, he was trusted by Coach Vigneault to play the 1st Unit Penalty Kill…

    3) If McDonagh is not traded, Subban could not have held the Habs hostage last summer and could have returned a King’s ransom in a trade return..and the habs would still have McDonagh as its next captain.

    4) Before I get bombed because of #3, who was the better all around Dman in last year’s Eastern Conference Final?
    Subban or McDonagh?

    McDonaugh: 2 Goals 8 Assists Plus +3
    Suban; 1 goal 1 assist…and a rather lucky only Minus 1 because of a Game 6 Blow out of plus 3 in that specific game.

    Yes, Subban left it all out there against Boston, yet what about McDonagh vs. the Fylers and the Crosby/Malkin Pens?

    • BriPro says:

      Hi Ron.
      I want to endorse 24’s comment regarding what you bring to the site. Always well thought out, and passionate to boot. And you know I’ve never argued your points in the past, but I’m not sure how I’d answer your point no. 4.

      For me, it’s not an easy answer. One could argue (and you do make the point right after) that Subban left it all against the Bs, and that’s a definite.

      I would also argue that Subban still has some developing to go, especially with his D game (on the ice), and his cockiness (on and off the ice). But what he does bring in his flair suits the Montreal market to a T.

      No one will question McDonagh’s overall ability, but I would rather keep PK for what HE brings overall.

      And I’m pleased the GMMB chose to keep Markov for another few years, because by the time he leaves, or retires, he will have moulded PK into a top 3-to-5 D-man most feared in the NHL. He’s top-10 as it is. And together, they’re one of the hardest combined D-men to play against in the NHL.

      And now that I’ve put in my 2 cents’ worth, I hear my wife calling, yet again…..slave driver. Gotta go!

      Good afternoon all, and see you at game time.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Hi Bri

        Hope all is good and great with you and family.

        Bri – when I have my Habs fan glasses on, Subban is an ace-Top 5-7 NHL Dman and one of the most (if not MOST) exciting players in the NHL to boot.
        When I take those Habs glasses off, I still see the abov,e and I hope it all plays itself out going forward as you mention.

        There are still defensive holes in Subban’s game, yet his compete level and ‘will to win’ is off the charts.
        Let’s hope that is contagious.

    • Haberoooo13 says:

      I will say the Chelios one is by far the worst trade in Hab history, with the Roy one second and even the Claude Lemieux for Sly Turgeon was worse than the McDonough one because all those players I’m talkiing about were proven NHLers 2 of them I would put as superstars and the other as one of the most clutch players in the 80s and 90s.)
      My two cents…

      Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

    • CJ says:

      In response to your question regarding defencemen in the ECF; not even close, McDonaugh by a mile. Sorry, just calling it the way I saw it.

    • PrimeTime says:

      Funny how the Halak for Eller trade is no longer argued!! Where are the Halakians these days?

    • Commandant says:

      1) Yes it is one of the worst trades in history… but not for the reasons you state below. And yes McDonagh is a top 10 defender in the NHL, but you are underrating PK.

      2) PK’s penalty killing is actually very good… Don’t blame him if our coaching staff haven’t used him there (and our PK hasn’t suffered as a result).

      He played huge minutes on a Penalty Kill Unit that was #2 in the entire NHL in 2011-12. Of course that didn’t make the team better off. The coaches have decided to maximize his minutes at ES and PP because he can do more in those minutes, while a guy like Murray who is a lug at ES was given PK minutes cause he didn’t really hurt the team there and the team PK was good.

      That said, when forced to use PK on the PK he’s been good. In the last three years (including 2011-12 season), PK has been amongst the NHL’s best defencemen in shots allowed per minute of penalty kill time.

      To say he isn’t as “all around” as McDonagh because he doesn’t play the PK minutes is unfair, as he’s shown more than capable of playing those minutes, he just doesn’t get the opportunity to do so.

      In most defensive metrics at even strength he also surpasses McDonagh.

      3) PK got paid what he is worth.

      4) Sample Size.

      Go Habs Go!

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        In 2011/12, the Habs finished 28th, and several teams didn’t want to pile on when they had a lead.
        They used secondary forwards. Go check it out.

        As for the rest, we’ll see.

        • twilighthours says:

          No one is going to go thru the 2011-12 season game by game to confirm or refute that Ronn. You know that. I guess we’ll all just have to take you on faith.

        • kalevine says:

          I have a different memory of 2011-2012, that being that the Habs were in most games entering the 3rd period, often actually leading the game, and blew it then, so I’m not sure that the opponents had a chance to do what you say, until maybe late in the 3rd.

          • dr. schmutzdeker says:

            Uhhhhh, they were terrible. If some of the games appeared close @ the wire it’s more often than not because the other team took their foot off the gas.

          • twilighthours says:

            Good memory, I’d reckon. The Habs had a .727 win % when leading after 2 periods, which was the third worst in the league that year. Their .556 win % when leading after 1 was the 2nd worst.

            Yet even though the team finished 28th overall, it was actually 15th best in goal differential (0.09 more goals allowed per game than scored – real goals, not S/O goals). The team was also 19th best in shot differential. Did they get blown out a lot? Tough to say… the Habs lost 51 games in regulation, OT, S/O. 26 of these games (~51%) were 1-goal losses. They had 13 2-goal losses (25%), 10 3-goal losses (~20%), and 2 4-goal losses (3% of all lost games). The team that finished ahead of them in the standings, for a comparison, the Islanders, with 48 losses:
            deficit / # of games / % of all losses
            1 18 38%
            2 10 21%
            3 11 23%
            4 6 13%
            5 1 2%
            6 2 4%

            Certainly, the Habs fared much better than that.

            Interestingly, if I’m reading the charts right, the Habs spent the most time penalized of any team that year. But most interesting of all is that the 3rd period was their best period for being short-handed – they took the fewest amount of penalties in the 3rd.

            Is this a team that teams would take it easy on and roll their 2nd wave of a powerplay? Seeing as the Habs weren’t blown out that often and lost so many tight games, and that they were penalized relatively few times in the 3rd, I’m going to say “no” to this theory.

            I’m not sure there is even a way to tell if Ronn’s theory is true, other than to watch every game from that season (lord no, it was bad enough the first time). With gone, I’m not aware of a good shift-chart/line-match website.

            So I’m good with my conclusion.

            (And incidentally, Subban was 3rd most on the team that year in PK minutes, well behind Gorges, just behind Gill, and well ahead of such noted defensive stalwarts like Emelin, Diaz, Weber, and Campoli. Yeah, that team sucked).

    • JUST ME says:

      When i first read your first words

      I’ll get crucified for the following, but it is what it is. I told myself naaaahhhh Maritime Ronn always makes sense and does not deserve to be crucified !

      I stand corrected. With all due respect i just am soooooo fed up of always bringning back those trade stories. It happens in every team, every team has bad trades and good ones except that in Montreal we have to bring them back for decades or until we turn blue wich ever comes first. There ! I said it , feel better and will go on another site hoping that tomorrow all that nonsense will be gone !

  61. Haberoooo13 says:

    Wasnt Pleks doubtful for the start of camp because of an injury though?

    Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

  62. prep says:

    anyways .. solid team, balanced lines, lots of prospects..McCarron,,,,later

  63. prep says:

    my point was, you gotta let one go to appreciate the other..more of rhetorical question …its been 4 plus year and I keep hearing about the gainy trade

  64. sweetmad says:

    If Pleks was playing his best,the kids would have nothing to do,this is a showcase for the kids not the vets,we need to see how they play without him making them better,he is watching them to see what they need to do to make them better,I think this has come from above,I noticed the same from Marky,where he would usually be right in it he was watching one of the kids,when they start playing games you will see a difference.I know that you watch Pleks in the preseason he is never at his best then when the real games start,you see the difference.

    • CJ says:

      With all due respect, when you have Eller and Bourque playing hard, it helps DLR. Pleks has not been trying, so, IMO, it has hurt Sekac, who, thus far has underwhelmed.

      Again, respectfully, I don’t buy the argument that the coaching staff has told Pleks to not try. Additionally, Marky has been engaged, so I don’t see the comparison. PK is not going 100%, but Pleks appears to be around 50%.

      Look, again, it’s preseason and I’m not slagging the guy. However, as part of the leadership team, you think he’d be setting a better standard. IMO, it looks like Max-DD-PA, whom are also veterans, are making a statement.

      Just my two cents…

  65. stephen says:

    Anybody know whether tomorrow night’s intra-squad game will be webcast? Didn’t hear them announce it during this morning’s scrimmage.

  66. prep says:

    keep hearing about the gainey era and how giving up mcdonut was the worst trade..granted, the return for the habs was worse than getting herpes from Bangkok tranny,, but do you think the hab would have had the opportunity to draft galchy??I don’t think so>> who would you rather have play for the habs?

    • CJ says:

      McDonaugh. This could change, but right now it’s a matter of the real thing versus what could be. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush….

      Not really close at this point. Hopefully the margin narrows, but they are such different players.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Prep – Sorry, but that’s total rationalization. That kind of thinking is what has made the Islanders and the Oilers the joke of the league.

      24 Cups

    • New says:

      Good chance the “couple months of Vanek” for Collberg and the 2nd parlayed into Ho-Sang will make everyone forget that trade soon.

  67. Slackman says:

    Straight outta Crompton!

    No Substitutions Please.

  68. John q Public says:

    Anybody know when the cuts begin ?

    • CJ says:

      One might say they’ve already started when they released drafted players following the rookie camp. I have no insight, but likely see something following the first exhibition game Tuesday night. Given the compressed schedule, it would be nice to have a decent sized talent pool to draw from. Once again we play a ridiculous schedule. Something like seven games in ten days. Plus, we have at least three guys who are injured, mind you they weren’t front runners for NHL roster spots, although I’d like to see Crisp and Nevins in action.

      • Habilis says:

        You’re right, the cuts have already begun. I would say that you could already include everyone on the “C” squad as gone.

        But there are back to back games vs the Sens to close out the preseason (Oct.3-4). They’ll probably want to ice two completely different squads for those games so I wouldn’t expect any significant cuts before that.

  69. Mavid ® says:

    Sorry for the delay 17

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Cal and and Bellyman will follow…

      17 Art Alexandre
      17 Jean Beliveau
      17 Gary Blaine
      17 Emile Bouchard
      17 Claude Bourque
      17 Rene Bourque
      17 Dustin Boyd
      17 Benoit Brunet
      17 Chris Campoli
      17 Wilf Cude
      17 Bob Dawes
      17 Gerald Desaulniers
      17 Paul Gauthier
      17 Cliff Goupille
      17 Tony Graboski
      17 Lucien Grenier
      17 George Hainsworth
      17 Hago Harrington
      17 Larry Hillman
      17 Dale Hoganson
      17 Mark Lamb
      17 Rod Langway
      17 Guy Lapointe
      17 Georges Laraque
      17 John LeClair
      17 Ed Litzenberger
      17 Stan Long
      17 Ross Lowe
      17 Craig Ludwig
      17 Fernand Majeau
      17 John McCormack
      17 Bill Miller
      17 Armand Mondou
      17 Larry Pleau
      17 Mike Polich
      17 John Portland
      17 Jean Pusie
      17 Ken Reardon
      17 Phil Roberto
      17 Rolland Rossignol
      17 Bill Summerhill
      17 Jean-Guy Talbot
      17 Nils Tremblay
      17 Carol Vadnais
      17 Jason Ward
      17 Murray Wilson

    • 24 Cups says:

      Mavid – Shame on you. Poor Ronn has been waiting eagerly since early this morning!!!

      Ronn – that’s a hell of a list. I bet you were waiting in anticipation for posters to see Jean Beliveau’s name.

      BTW Ronn, on behalf of all the fans who come to this site, I would like to sincerely thank you for all that you bring. I know for a fact just how much time and effort it takes. Your devotion is appreciated.

      24 Cups

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Hi 24

        You are much too kind, and I am certain many would disagree with you.

        Yakking it up on HIO is so much more relaxing… than reading the crazy news about this so very crazy world in 2014.
        By the way, I never bypass any of your posts.
        You are a very smart, favourite to exchange with.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Murray Wilson.

    • JohnBellyful says:


      assists in his first full season with the Canadiens, 1961-62, following the departure of Doug Harvey, JC Tremblay also scored three goals

      seconds after Pacioretty scores to give Montreal 1-0 lead early in first period, McDonagh – phewy! — ties the game and the Rangers go on to win 3-1 to take 2-0 lead in Eastern Conference final (I’d give you the link but do you really want to go down that road?)

      th of June, 2010, Canadiens trade Halak to St. Louis, for Eller and whatever-happened-to-the-guy

      losses in a season, CFL record: Ticats, 2003 (but, hey, they won their third in four games last night, humiliating the Eskimos 25-23)

      Stalag __ [great movie]

      th September New Yorker cartoon [Canadian content]

      , magazine for high school girls

      Malaysia Airlines Flight __ shot down July __ : $30 million offered last week for evidence showing who shot plane down with 298 passengers and crew aboard; German magazine says it’s the largest bounty in history

      -foot anaconda caught three days ago by math teacher after it ate his friend’s pooch

      stocks in Standard & Poor’s 500 that have increased their dividends to investors by 50 per cent or more this year; Bank of America and Vulcan Materials were the most generous – 400 per cent

      rejections for author Patrick Dennis, author of “Auntie Mame,” which sold more than two million copies, stayed on the New York Times bestseller list for 112 weeks, and was made into play, a Hollywood musical, and movie. He became the first author in history to have three books on the Times bestseller list at the same time

      Day Diet

      -year-old Oprah Winfrey wins Miss Black Tennesee beauty pageant and is hired to do the news part-time at a local black radio station

  70. Maritime Ronn says:

    Yes, the Habs scrimmages yesterday and today are “No Hitters” and mean little in the bigger scheme of things of making the team this year.
    Guys are just trying to find their legs, yet the DD-Max-PA line look like they’ve been together forever.

    IF PAP can stay healthy, this will be a very interesting line.

    Many (with reason) are wondering how the Habs 5X5 scoring will improve, and how the Habs will replace the Vanek/Gionta contributions.

    Interesting to note the past 2 year comparison of Vanek/Parenteau.

    2012/13 strike shortened season.
    Parenteau 18 goals – Vanek 17 goals

    2013/14 season:
    Parenteau: 14 goals in 58 games (equates to 21 goal season)
    Vanek: 27 goals in 78 games.

    *Last season Time on Ice:
    Parenteau 16:57 with 140 minutes of PP time
    Vanek:(3 teams) about 19 min./game – 308 min. of PP time

    Not to forget was that Parenteau was out twice with knee issues, and may not have presented himself in the best of shape last year.
    The West was also much tougher than the East to play against.

    Parenteau is also used to playing against the Top 2 or Top 4 Dmen on opposing teams, so there will be no learning curve or intimidation factor there.

    In Bergevin We Trust.
    GMMB basically traded nice guy, 4th liner Briere, for a Top 6 forward that most like will chip in +20 goals.
    Colorado was also very nice to include a 4th rounder in the trade…

    This is the sign of a very good GM.
    GMMB acquired Briere for nothing – signing him as a UFA, that cost zero assets in terms of draft choices or prospects.
    He flipped that to acquire PAP, costing zero assets and picking up a 4th rounder in the deal.

  71. habstrinifan says:

    I am forecasting Parenteau to be a lock for the DD line.

    Which then, in my opinion, raises a question re who best to play Gallagher with.

    For Gallager’s sake (and this is my humble opinion only)… I hope he is not tied in to a Plekanec or Bourque line to provide character or intensity.

    HABS need Gallagher to keep developing as a scoring forward. Best scenario in my opinion. Galechenyuk/Eller’Gallagher as HABS second line.

    • Dust says:

      if the first line is parenteau dd and patches. I would lay a pretty heavy bet that the second line will be pleks gally and chucky

      my guess for 3rd line bourque eller weise
      4th moen malholtra prust

      • CJ says:

        Based on what I’ve seen;


        • Paz says:

          That spot next to Eller and Bourque is up for grabs, though.

          • CJ says:

            Agreed. Thus far I’ve liked Weise-Prust-MM as our fourth. In fact, I’d go so far as saying if they stay healthy, it could be one of the very best fourth lines in the league.

            Bournival has been very good thus far. As it stands, I’d say it’s between him and DLR, who has looked excellent with Eller. Moen looks lost. Only by virtue of his contract will he likely be in our 23 man roster.

        • Dust says:

          I too would like to see Bournival start. I give the nod to Moen in the starting lineup because the coach likes his veterans and if Moen is healthy he is an excellent 4th liner who can kill penalties and can take the pressure off of prust in the fighting department

          • CJ says:

            Not that I’m serving as legal council, but I’d advise Moen to never fight again. If we are counting on Moen to fight we are finished. In fact, we might have a team with no fighters aside from Prust. Maybe our strategy will be to skate away from everything.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          Third line would be fast.

    • Paz says:

      Eller at center with Bourque on a wing was excellent during the playoffs, and look for those two to start the season together.

      • habstrinifan says:

        I am not sold on Bourque as a consistent performer. I do not want Gallagher to be the type of player that is put on certain lines to get that line going. Remember we been down that road so many times.

        It would be great to see three young veterans growing together on the EGG line.

        • Paz says:

          Since Bourque is inconsistent, as you mention, the coaches will try and pick up where he had success, 8 goals, last playoff.

          If that doesn’t work, then they will change it up.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          PA will maybe get 15 to 20 goals with 30 plus assists and that would be a success to me.

          Bourque I think will score similar in goals (around 20 +/- 3 goals)

          This team will need help offensively if the kids don’t step up

      • Commandant says:

        The two of them had shooting percentages of over 21% and 16% respectively. Completely unsustainable.

        Go Habs Go!

    • ClutchNGrab says:

      Since it seems the habs coaching staff wants to give more responsibilities to Galchenyuk and Plekanec is the second center on the team, it would make sense if plekanec was paired with Galchenyuk. Gallagher could complete the line. I could also picture a Bourque/Eller/Weise third line.

    • Habilis says:

      Agree about that 1st line. Barring injury, they are a lock to start the season.

      I’m not sure if I agree about Eller playing with the Gals though. Also don’t think that Gallagher playing with Pleks would be a bad thing at all. To me, Pleks has earned some decent line-mates this season. If it’s a case of Eller getting the Gals and Pleks getting something like Sekac and Bournival or maybe even JDLR, then maybe that’s not so bad. But if it means saddling Pleks with Bourque and Weise… I dunno, I just feel like he’s earned more than that.

      I love Eller as a player and think he deserves better too, don’t get me wrong. But Pleks has truly paid his dues as far as playing with plugs.

  72. CJ says:

    The PA-DD-Max line is really clicking

    Sorkin and Hudon, IMO, have been the best among the prospects through three scrimmages.

    Defence is a total crap shoot. I don’t see the consistency needed, but it’s the same thing from all four horses in the race. Flashes of brilliance negated by bobbles and poor decisions both on and away from the puck.

    Lastly, I was glad to see MacCarron shuffled today. I’m firmly behind the kid, but I simply can’t ignore the results so far. Frig, hit somebody or do something. As it stands, there are ten young players who have made a better impression IMO. In addition to those noted above, I’ve really caught the DLR bug. Boy, he has all the tools.

    • habstrinifan says:


      Parenteau will become the best forward pickup by HABS in last say 10 years.

      Will score 25 goals this year easy…. I think.

      Re Hudon: I repeat from post I just made in last thread:
      “I don’t think Hudon is getting the attention he deserves from HIO. Maybe because ‘big name’ prospects like Sekac is more significant in the immediate future. But Hudon is the best forward skill and playmaking wise that I have seen in the scrimmage videos.”

      • CJ says:

        I’m not 100% sold on PA, but there is simply no denying the chemistry. Full credit where it’s deserved. He appears to be in excellent condition and has found instant chemistry. As Paz stated below, Pleks is playing in third gear, while Gally and Chucky have been rewarded with Moen as a winger, so it’s tough to gauge performers. I’m looking forward to Tuesday night.

        • habstrinifan says:

          Good perspective. I am really gung ho on Parenteau though. Have been from day 1 of the signing.

          Essentially we have a player gifted physically and talent wise and now given a ‘jolt of motivation’ by the prospects of being a STAR in an environment/community just waiting for someone like him to emerge…even if at a late stage.

          He took the coach’s/GM advice to heart. Came to camp absolutely ready. And seems quietly aware of the possibilities in front of him in this ‘town’ as a French(please no hassles re term ‘french’… I am meaning in all the best way) forward.

          The key word here is FORWARD!

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            How about French-speaking, or francophone, or Québécois, or local son?

            I’m not doubting your intentions, just that it’s incorrect to say that he’s French. It would be like saying Tony Gonzalez is Spanish. He’s not, he’s an American of Mexican parentage. He speaks Spanish, but he’s not Spanish, not even close, he probably wouldn’t know a paella if it was dumped on his head.

            Good to have you back though trini, I was wondering if you were around, or on vacation.

      • Dust says:

        Is Sekac really a “big name prospect”
        The guy is an undrafted free agent signing out of europe. Those player usually end up maxing out as a 3rd liner and more likely are ahl players. The hype around him, by people who have never really seen him play, is quite ridiculous if you ask me.

        • habstrinifan says:

          ‘big name’ in that he is talk of town so to speak. Almost given role ahead of Parenteau… who really is a high class player in a highly motivating new environment.

          • Dust says:

            i agree i think parenteau is a perfect fit on the top line. He has shown in the past that he can play with top line players.

    • Paz says:

      It doesn’t help that Plekanec is not trying? Desharnais line is skating circles around him and he refuses to pick up his intensity in the defensive zone.
      Even the broadcasters mentioned his lack of intensity.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Cant judge the veterans too harshly yet. Wait for exhibitions.

        But can definitely judge the ‘aspirants’ and newcomers. Not so much on real game-intensity or prospect but on their sheer skill/playmaking etc. And then follow the standouts to see how their ‘skill/talent/chemistry’ stand up against real opponents.

        In that regard then newcomer Parenteau is definitely showing he is an UPGRADE to the team offensively (talent wise) and is worth following closely during the exhibition schedule.

        Hudon is absolutely the most skilled ‘none veteran’ prospect. He is way and above the ‘name’ people like Sekac. Would be great to follow him in full exhibition schedule, injury free.

        • CJ says:

          I agree Trini. That said, as part of the leadership team, I thought Pleks would be more engaged. Maybe it’s nothing of note, but it is quite obvious he’s not trying.

          Again, I’m not going to put a great deal of stock in a scrimmage. Fact is, there is what, maybe two openings; back up goalie and sixth defenceman?

      • UKRAINIANhab says:

        Its a scrimmage. Who cares, just like pre season

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