Pacioretty wants to model himself after Cole


Max Pacioretty says he doesn’t have to look far to find a role model.

“I want to model my career after Colesy,” Pacioretty said of linemate Erik Cole during a conference call Tuesday, a day after signing a six-year, $27-million contract extension with the Canadiens. “He’s a big, fast winger. He’s been through the same injury as me … he’s a great motivation for me to play how he has through his career. I’ve already learned a lot form him this far and I hope as we continue to play together on the same team, and hopefully the same line, I hope to model my career after him and I hope to be that power forward that you said has been lacking in the Montreal system for a while.”

(Photo by John Mahoney/The Gazette)


  1. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    To all posters pessimistic about team toughness next season (assuming that there will be a next season): If you can’t back up your blanket statements in the ring with Brandon Prust, do us all a favor and shut up.

    To all posters excessively optimistic with about team toughness next season (assuming there will be next season): Let’s face it, no one in our team can go with Lucic or Chara, that was basically a given from day one.

    However, we are defiantly on par with Boston’s middleweights and will not be pushed around.

  2. twilighthours says:

    Posts that I glaze over:

    1) posts lamenting that pk isn’t signed / wondering when the offer sheets are going to come in
    2) line combo projections
    3) price bashing
    4) posts wondering why gomez isn’t bought out / sent to Hamilton yet
    5) posts bashing bergevin

    Posts that I read with amusement:

    1) anything by John bellyful
    2) anything by nunacanadien

    Posts that make me want to respond with a passionate argument:

    1) why subban isn’t good / isn’t worth X dollars / should be traded / is a punk

    Posts that get me hopeful but still apprehensive:

    1) Ian cobb posting about the summit

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      Seriously though why isnt PK signed yet? Has me worried about an offersheet. I’d like to try him as a forward with Gomez, maybe something like Subban – Gomez – Price, who is sucking in goal so we might as well try him elsewhere.

      Speaking of that line, I wonder if Gomez has some dirt on MB to keep him in Montreal. Or maybe MB is just as incompetent as he seems.

    • JohnBellyful says:

      Posts I seldom read:
      The National

      Posts I used to read:
      Saturday Evening

      Post I never met:

      Post I probably should have met:

      Posts I’ve met who never get flustered

      • twilighthours says:

        F*ck I love you man. I hope you’re coming to the summit

        • HabinBurlington says:

          He was dressed incognito last year, he blended in with the furniture at Baton Rouge, I think he actually called ahead and got the pattern of the cloth bench seats and had a suit made out of it. Only got to meet him at the end of the evening, my loss!

          • punkster says:

            And are you sure it was really him?

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • HabinBurlington says:

            To be honest, No.

          • JohnBellyful says:

            Burle’, you are indeed right about the pattern I chose, to my subsequent regret. I remember your butt well. You made quite an impression.
            This year will be different. I’ll be wearing something Don Cherry-ish.
            (P.S. I’ll be wearing a red carnation as well).

        • JohnBellyful says:

          That’s the plan.
          Although I’m still working on a pretext for being away from home for three days.
          If I rush in, excited, carrying a First Aid kit, could one of you feign a heart attack or decapitation?

  3. frontenac1 says:

    Frontenac thinks that Fehr is one savy hombre. Buttman had the look of a guy who just got kicked in the sack. This tilt might be a quick one. Don’t write off the season just yet amigos.

  4. rnbws.ncronwrcr says:

    Heck, I even want to model myself after Cole!

  5. JohnBellyful says:

    From today’s article at TSN (

    “The players’ offer also allows for franchises in distress under special circumstances to be permitted to trade or sell up to $4 million in cap space to another team – giving the team a way of adding another ‘paycheque.'”

    Hey, someone’s listenin’ out there.

    July 21, 2012 at 7:44 am

    The NHL might want to look to other sectors of the economy to change the way it does business.
    Industries that produce emissions considered harmful to the environment have a limit placed on the volume of pollutants they can generate. Any amount over that requires the purchase of permits from other industries that have reduced their emissions.
    This market-based approach is otherwise known as cap-and-trade.
    Perhaps the same principle can be applied to the National Hockey League. Teams wishing to exceed the salary cap would be able to purchase additional payroll space from teams having difficulty reaching the salary floor.
    For example, Team Flushed signs free agent Sam Wow for five years, $8 million per, which puts it over the salary cap by $3 million annually. It ‘trades’ for that space by agreeing to pay Team Shoestring $3 million, which is then counted toward that team’s salary numbers, enabling it to reach the league-mandated payroll minimum.
    This adds to Team Flushed’s costs of doing business but it’s a form of revenue sharing that it controls, for the specific purpose of adding to its pool of talent while remaining in compliance with league statutes.
    And, as recently seen, teams seem to have no trouble finding extra money to strengthen their lineups and, in fact, are delighted to do so.
    Team Shoestring would be dealing from a position of strengthen, given the number of suitors that would be looking to gain an advantage over other well-heeled rivals, and it could use the additional capital to improve its own roster.
    Cap-and-trade has the added advantage of not requiring parties to divest players to consummate the transaction, thereby enabling each side to build a lineup that maximizes its competitiveness.
    Provision, however, could be made to allow the purchaser to include a draft pick or two to sweeten the offer.
    Of course, to prevent the poorer franchises from deliberately signing players on the cheap in order to avail themselves of ‘subsidies” from wealthier clubs, a limit of one permit, to sell cap space, would be placed on each team.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I bow to your vision and foresight sire.

      Can you wait until after the CBA is signed to launch your intellectual property lawsuit? Gary Bettman and Don Fehr are going to have their hands full until then. I want you to get every penny, but I wants mys hockeys.

      Make sure you name Colin Campbell as a defendant.

      And Zdeno Chara.

  6. habsfan0 says:

    Seattle Mariners’ Felix Hernandez throws perfect game. That’s the 3rd perfect game thrown this season. When you consider there have only been 23 of them tossed all time, something’s unusual.

    • JohnBellyful says:

      I wonder if he had an emery board in his back pocket. Nah, he’d have to be a knuckle(ball)head to do that.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Roger Clemmens pitching program?


    • bleedhabs81 says:

      pitchers got better….

      batters have slowed on the juice, maybe?

      Also, Melky suspended… I was looking at his career stats a few weeks ago and figured he should be tested. 346 avg and a 51 hit month, 10 triples…. very strange from a career 260 hitter, no?

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Had to love the quote from Melky,

        “My positive test was the result of my use of a substance I should not have used,”

        So that is why they have some form of testing. 🙂

        • bleedhabs81 says:

          the one article I read said it was because his testoterone levels were way to high… meaning, if he was smart he may have been able to maximize his testosterone without making it look obvious…

          I just say that because last year he had a nice jump in his production too.

  7. Storm Man says:

    So looks like poker night on tv this winter will be a big hit again. So where will the Habs finish in 2013-2014 when hockey starts again?

  8. frontenac1 says:

    Marc will sign PK. Book it amigos!

  9. JoeC says:

    Anyone else sick of hearing people threatening to boycott NHL don’t buy a ticket there 10 people instead give it a break

  10. HabFab says:

    The Montréal Canadiens relinquished rights to defenseman Scott Kishel by not signing him before the 5 PM deadline. (August 15)

  11. SmartDog says:

    Assuming there IS hockey, it’s going to be an interesting year no matter what.

    Q: Which of these 5 Story Lines are you looking forward to most?
    1. Michel Therrien: Genius or Gonzo?
    2. Desharnais: The Little Center that Can or Flash in the Pan?
    3. Markov: Will the Knee Hold Up (or did we just waste more salary)?
    4. Subban, Price, Patches: Is the Hab’s Future Now?
    5. Grit: Do We Really Have It Now? and Will it Make a Difference?

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • shiram says:

      For me, it’s Markov.
      I did not get a good chance to see him play, as I’m a recent hockey convert, and he’s been billed as one of the best D in the League prior to his injury. With the ailing powerplay we had last year his contribution could be key to the Habs success.
      Therrien I don’t like, but I doubt he will have all that much effect, especially if has been posted here he does not intend to change the lines or play a different style.
      I’ll be intrigued to see how DD does, but should he falter I think Pleks and Eller can take the torch.
      I’m already convinced about the qualities of Subban, Price and Paciorretty.
      Grit might have been overstated on here, but I feel it was correctly adressed this summer, exception may be one SOB Dman.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Agree Shiram. The club will be offensively challenged and will need Markov to lead the power play. Defensive wise he takes minutes and the wear and tear that go with those minutes from PK and Georges.


    • joeybarrie says:

      I think 1 and 3 are the most important. Those two things are going to be a big part of the season.
      Desharnais is also important, but if he doesnt produce, we have other talented centers. We have only 1 coach and only one top D-man. Markov was the cornerstone of this team.
      PK, Pricey and MaxPac are all important, but they are still getting better and better and I dont think this will be any of their top seasons over their career, so it doesnt really matter. I dont believe these guys are the only reason this team will do well, and I have faith in their abilities.
      We have plenty of grit. I hope it will make a difference, but it isnt the thing we are missing the most. We are missing a good powerplay, full defensive force and top 2 line players scoring. We seem to have addressed this to a pretty good degree.

      I think we need a few more components until this team can compete no matter what. And we seem to have it coming up in the next few years. So MB knows we compete as best we can and not sacrifice the future, but we must ice the best team possible. Thats the job.

      We are a completely different team than last season. We just need to hope our key players play most of the season.

    • Bripro says:

      6. Molson Ex: is the large can worth the increase to $22.00?
      7. Section 600: how good is the view from the roof?
      8. The summit game: How could so many geriatric fans destroy a stadium so fast?
      9. Jacque Martin: Is his re-hiring after three months of season a mistake?
      10. Guy Carbonneau: Is his re-hiring after Martin’s firing following Therrien’s firing another mistake?
      11. Michel Therrien: Is his re-hiring in April a Lamoriello manoeuvre?
      12. Is HIO Bripro’s rampage at the Bell centre a direct result of another loss to the Laffs on the last day of the season resulting in, yet again, neither team advancing to the post-season?

    • savethepuck says:

      If you worded #3. Markov : Has he and his knee proven all the naysayers wrong?
      I would of picked that one.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • The Dude says:

      1) Therrien ….history lesson 2.0
      2)Desharnaise:Lil Caesar will be the next Captain of Les Glorieux.
      3) Markov will continue to butt heads with Subban in a losing battle for the best Dman on the team.Markov will be traded mid season.
      4)Yes,but Price will suffer a couple of poor seasons(and flack) until the newbies are established
      5)NO GRIT and NO GLORIEUX as it stands right now,but hey some team has to be a laughing stock.

  12. shiram says:

    Would you fine people, if you were in Bergevin’s spot, extend Desharnais as soons as possible, or wait untill his current deal expires? If so what terms and cash?
    He will still be a RFA when his current contract expires.

    • HabFab says:

      MiB didn’t say that he would. Some reporter suggested it and he said that it wasn’t “not possible”.

    • Chris says:

      I think Desharnais and his agent will wait until this contract finishes. An extension now would not net him much based on his age and NHL experience. But a second year of 50+ points would put him in line for a huge raise over his current bargain basement salary.

      The team will wait to see how he does this year. Too many players have one good year and then fade into obscurity once the coaches around the league figure them out.

      • shiram says:

        If I’m management, I think i would wait too, and I would try to make sure I can see him play with a number of wingers if possible, but that should happen naturally with injuries.
        I do think DD’s line will face more pressure this time around, and if he can have another good season in that situation the raise will be well worth it. Well, just based on last season and his meager salary he would be due for a raise.

      • SmartDog says:

        Exactly. Both sides will want to wait. Should be interesting.

        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Timo says:

      I would like to see if DD can deliver next season what he delivered last. Something tells me he won’t. But if he does, sign him.. sure. why not? Can never have too many munchkins.

  13. HabFab says:

    If his information is correct, talk about thinking outside the box. Hope the NHLPA guy who thought of this is identified;

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      “According to TSN hockey analyst Aaron Ward, the offer also calls for a limit on ‘non-player’ spending such as costs for head coaching, front office and management payrolls.”

      “In addition, the union’s proposal suggests – at the discretion of both the NHL and NHLPA on a case-by-case basis – giving extra draft picks to teams in financial trouble.”

      This would be very damaging to Canadian teams.

      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • HabFab says:

        Sounds like the union is jealous seeing ex members receiving good salaries that they cannot get a cut of 🙂

      • shootdapuck says:

        The NHLPA wanting to limit “non-player” spending are they going to allow coaches, and Front office people membership and pension rights?

        What’s next the NHLPA offers to travel by bus and train?

        But only the coaches, equipment guys and trainers

        HA, that’s a joke!

        The cerebral insight of PJ Stock:

        “Le problem est Markov n’a pas jouer un seul game cette annee”
        “Louis Leblanc est un kid locale”
        ” I have a pet peeve”

  14. Bripro says:

    For those who didn’t see it, here’s a short video of Don Fehr and the players explaining their new proposal.
    I can say that none of the players look comfortable standing there.

  15. Ian Cobb says:

    Not to worry boys and girls! Pk will be on our books for many years to come, it is all about the price between two sides and leverage in negotiations!

    Look! I think I am worth 5mil a year, but with no leverage, except for my penmanship.! So I’ll settle for a beer and my TV on hockey night,

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I agree Ian. Not just the leverage though. His body of work has been marred by defensive lapses as his development has been pushed. That said my guess is they are looking at a 5to 6 year contract as opposed to a short one. Either way it gets done soon. Much quicker then the CBA.


  16. Kfourn says:

    Bettman says there is still a “wide gap” in negotiations between the NHL and its players’ association and “not much time to go”. Go to TSN for the article since I can’t post it for some reason.

    Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

    “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

    • shootdapuck says:

      Time is burned up by the fact that the negotiating schedule looks like it was generated by Club Med.

      2 days working 5 days traveling and giving interviews.

      Lock these bozos in a room and don’t let them out until a new deal is done!

      The cerebral insight of PJ Stock:

      “Le problem est Markov n’a pas jouer un seul game cette annee”
      “Louis Leblanc est un kid locale”
      ” I have a pet peeve”

  17. Chris says:

    Ten things I am certain of (with my confidence level in each):

    1) P.K. Subban will star for the Montreal Canadiens for the next 5-10 years, starting from the season opener of this season. (95%)

    2) Montreal will be in the mix for a playoff berth this season. (90%)

    3) One of Yannick Weber or Raphael Diaz will end up as the next Stephane Robidas, an under-valued prospect that finds a stable home and has a career that leaves Canadiens fans asking why we kept ____________ instead of them. (90%)

    4) Alex Galchenyuk will spend the season in Sarnia, although perhaps after 9 games with the Habs. (99.9%)

    5) Montreal will trade one of Diaz or Weber for MAB, who will evolve into the player with the most glorious slapshot AND outlet pass in the history of the NHL under the tutelage of Patrice Brisebois. (100%)

    6) Timo will love this new incarnation of MAB, but will still remain unhappy. (110%)

    7) Scott Gomez will play more than people think this season. He will be Michel Therrien’s new Doug Gilmour with the Canadiens. (95%)

    8) I will not like #7. (100%)

    9) Tomas Plekanec will be traded this season in a package deal with some of Montreal’s surplus defencemen for a good young forward. (75%)

    10) Fans will be talking about when Michel Therrien will get fired by November 12th or earlier. (100%)

  18. alfieturcotte says:

    Habs made the wrong assumption when they assumed that Price was more valuable to the team than Subban. Given the choice, Bergevin’s priority should have been Subban. Price is overrated and overpaid.

    • Kfourn says:

      Price is here to stay, and Subban will get signed soon. You should probably get over it.

      Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

      “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Wow….just wow. I love PK, but the Habs did the right thing with Price, and hopefully will continue to do so with PK.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Kooch7800 says:

      …LOL what are smoking

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      Congrats, I have added you to my _____ list.

      I am not actually going to tell you what the _____ is, since it is insulting and I don’t actually want to call you out as an _______ on a public forum. That would be rude.

  19. shiram says:

    The PK signing stuff is being overblown.

  20. habstrinifan says:

    I find a certain unwillingness to accept the signs re P.K Subban and the Habs. Manyhere dumped on Timo for a post re the fear that the HABS may indeed by inclined to move P.K.

    This is an excerpt from Pat Jickey in the Post.

    “Bergevin was in Brossard to discuss the six-year, $27-million contract extension power forward Max Pacioretty agreed to late Monday night and described the 23-year-old as part of the team’s core of young players.

    It didn’t take long for the media to ask about negotiations between the Canadiens and Subban, who is a restricted free agent. Subban was the team leader in terms of ice time last season, but Bergevin stopped short of including him as part of that young core.

    “He’s a good young player,” Bergevin conceded. “There’s a lot of things that come into play, (but) there’s potential there for sure.”

    WTF! If the GM cannot admit that P.K Subban is one of the core of young players… then I dont know what else to say.

    I have accepted that P.K Subban will not be a HABS to start the season.. it’s seems that all things coming from the Habs management point to that.

    Some here are doing revisionits history and saying things like “P.K Subban cost the habs specific game.” No othe rplayer in the entire hockey league ‘cost’ their teams games. No other players on the HABS have been so singled out.

    Amazing! I hope P.K tells them to shove it and asks out.

    The fans have become like the team. Stuck on mediocrity and blame.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I was not going to log in today. Then I read your post.

      It’s really pretty simple. They are in the middle of negotiating a contract. The GM is not going to say PK is part of the core, a pillar in the organization, indispnsible, or anything else of the sort until the contract is signed.
      Imagine Don Meehan calling MB the next day:

      “Well, you did say he was part of the core that includes Pacioretty & Price. Pretty obvious you want and need to keep him. How’s a 6-year, $30M contract sound?”

      Management knows as well as we all do how important PK is to the team. He will be signed, but until he is, MB will not be throwing out compliments left, right and centre.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • mark-ID says:

        Exactly, everyone needs to look no further then when Price was going through the same negotiations a couple of years ago. Look at him now….he’s locked up for the next 6 years. PK wants to stay a Hab…..he has said so himself. There is a good chance the season won’t even start in October… there is no rush here at all.

        “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

      • junyab says:

        If Meehan was to use that as an argument, at this level, he’d be laughed at. That’s grade school negotiation. Bergevin saying what he said, and not meaning it, does not strengthen his negotiation side.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          I’m exagerrating for effect, but there is no way a GM states how great a player is before signing him. It just makes no sense.

          Wheteher you like it, or believe it, or not, the best thing MB can do is make it clear that he wants to keep PK, but also that the Habs could survive and even do well without him.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Mattyleg says:

      Heya Trini, I think you might be overreacting to no news.

      Just because negotiations are going slowly doesn’t mean that the sides won’t come together. The Habs want PK on the team, PK wants to be on the team, and it’s just about getting to a point where everyone is satisfied.

      I can imagine where things are stalling.
      — PK is very young and exciting, which are cards that he and his agent have in their pockets.
      — PK is very young and unproven (especially for a defenceman), which are cards that Bergie and the CH have in their pockets.

      The Habs are not so stubborn that they won’t overpay if it means keeping him, and PK and his Agent aren’t so stupid to walk away from a team like Montreal.

      And you don’t say that a player is part of your team’s core until you’ve signed him, otherwise he uses that against you. It’s just negotiatin’, Trin!

      Subban is being singled out because we’re talking about him, and some people feel the need to say something, regardless of whether it makes sense or not.

      Smile! Only positive willpower will make this season start on time!!

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • junyab says:

      I was also a little surprised and ticked off at Bergevin’s PK comment. I really hope that he was just downplaying PK’s importance for contract negotiation reasons. We haven’t had someone as young and marketable as PK in years – and the Habs can’t discount that.

      Our D roster has been a revolving door the last 10 years. God help us if we can’t or won’t sign PK for a similar term as Patches.

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …I think it’s a bit premature Trini to get so sensitive, but I agree MB should have been more circumspect in responding to the question
      …if I was Bergevin I would have simply smiled and kept on truckin’
      …and, I don’t blame You for Your particular tangent either T-man 🙂
      Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

      Campaign to Retire Toe Blake’s Number 6 !!!

  21. Maksimir says:

    I model myself after Ron Jeremy.

  22. jeffhabfan says:

    Going crazy with gravatar….it states my picture is primary….

    • Kfourn says:

      you have to rate it as G….also you have to have the same email address that you have for HIO.

      Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

      “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

    • jeffhabfan says:

      Still no pic but maybe in time……Thanks for all the help….

      • Mattyleg says:

        Don’t forget, you have to grant archive-access for the DEL-meld, which can be configured in your ALG-proxy4 setting. Just do a REM reboot (tertiary node) and decompress the binary SYSaccess log. Then link your jpeg through the MparellelPoRT instead of the Vtc channel. Then your pic should come up if you’re logged in as an Admin/excOp, under the Roottable.

        Wait, what house is Jupiter in at the moment?

        Because that changes everything.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Propwash says:

          Did you turn it off then back on first?

          “Access Forbidden” gettin’ ya down?
          Hold down Shift while clicking refresh.

    • jeffhabfan says:

      I did the reboot and still no picture…..Oh well I will keep trying…thanks so much for all the help so far….

  23. Ian Cobb says:

    Chris! you have a great skill in writing and putting your points across.
    The problem that I have is I read slowly, and by the time I get to the bottom of your post, i have forgotten what you started with.
    I am Just having fun, with my old brain.!

    • SmartDog says:

      Hey Ian.

      With Chris’s posts, to look smart, all you have to do is skip to the bottom and then post “good points” and comment on the last idea.

      I do it all the time! 🙂

      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  24. joeybarrie says:

    I have heard a lot of comments regarding PK Subban.
    I wonder a few things.
    First, Why has he not been offer sheeted? by anyone…
    Especially if things are going so badly.
    Maybe the Habs are right to make sure they make the right contract.
    Why were we so worried about Price? Seems to have gone well in the end.

    • pmaraw says:

      he has to sign it, and he said he wants to play in montreal, so why would he sign one?

    • SmartDog says:

      The agent could be receiving them and can use them in negotiations. It might be part of what’s holding this up – “hey Phili will give PK 5 million for 4 years – but PK wants to stay with the Habs”. It could still have influence.

      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  25. Chris says:

    I was busy all morning, but I thought I’d reply to a couple of posts that are somewhat related, at least in my addled brain.

    On Roger Goodell

    I actually can’t stand the guy. I find him insincere and dishonest. I give him absolutely zero credit for the success of the NFL because I think the NFL would be a staggering success with anybody at the helm. Their marketing department is without question the best in professional sports, especially the people involved with NFL films.

    Goodell took over from Paul Tagliabue (who was generally respected by the players) as commissioner of the NFL in January 2006. Despite working in the NFL since the early 1980’s and being the prohibitive favourite, he did not automatically walk into the job as many thought…there seemed to be serious questions about him right from the get-go. And I’m not sure what he has done to build the NFL: when he took over in 2006, Forbes had estimated that the average NFL team had a value of $957 million and revenues of $204 million in 2006. The league was stunningly healthy, and has continued that trend.

    What Goodell does carry the bag for is his insincerity. When discussions about the injury toll on retirees first surfaced, Goodell did all he good to sweep it under the rug. He was outright dismissive that the NFL had an injury problem, particularly concussions, with its current players. Then the medical evidence began piling up and he looked like a complete clown.

    His reaction to that has been to become unreasonably autocratic and ridiculous arbirtary in meting out punishment. The Saints Bounty scandal is obviously the headliner, although they really are little more than scapegoats. Goodell was a fool, and he needed to be seen to hand out stern justice for anything and the Saints stupidly put themselves in his trigger-happy crosshairs. Now we are seeing that a judge in the lawsuit leveled against Goodell by one of the suspended players (Jonathan Vilma) has all but sided in the favour of the player, citing lack of concrete evidence and overly harsh punishment for the “crime”. She is simply not sure whether she has any jurisdiction, however, which is holding up the lawsuit.

    Then you have Goodell’s perverse decision to dock two teams (Dallas and Washington) for exceeding the salary cap in a year where there was no salary cap in place. Can you say collusion? The NFLPA can, and he has all but given them the judicial victory on that one with his idiotic fines.

    The players absolutely and utterly detest Goodell. They think he is fake, incompetent and addicted to power, judging by the comments that are appearing through the media. This guy is basically EXACTLY like Gary Bettman for the NHL, but magnified by the scale of the NFL’s profile and revenues. At least Bettman has the grace to pass the responsibility off for some of the decisions in the NHL, something Goodell, an unrepentant control freak, would never do.

    He’s also the first NFL commissioner to lead his league into a work stoppage since the bad old days of the 1980’s, when the NFL saw player strikes in 1982 and 1987. This time, the league locked out the players despite continuing growth in the value of franchises and rapid growth in league revenues.

    Goodell is made to look good as a commissioner solely because he is supported by the unstoppable force of the NFL’s marketing. But the irresistible force of his own incompetence is certainly giving that unstoppable force a good run for its money.

    On Bob Gainey

    I’m much more forgiving of Bob Gainey, who was a decent general manager. But like Goodell, I think that Gainey often reaps the rewards for a turnaround that had already been started in years before.

    Gainey is often cited for turning around the franchise, taking a team that missed the playoffs in 5 of 6 years and turning them into a team that made the playoffs in 5 of 6 seasons. What bothers me here is that Gainey gets all the credit despite many of the pieces being inherited from the previous administration.

    It is VERY difficult to turn a franchise around in one or two seasons. It usually takes a few years, some good drafting and perhaps a couple of key trades or free agent acquisitions.

    Gainey took over just before the 2003 draft, but he left that draft to his predecessor Andre Savard, who had stayed on as Assistant GM, as he felt he couldn’t possibly come up to speed in the month before the draft.

    So what did Gainey inherit? First of all, Savard began the process of turning around the scouting that had so brutally failed the team in the 1990’s. Savard made the key hire, bringing Trevor Timmins over from the Senators in 2002.

    Over the three drafts that Savard was responsible for (2001-2003), the Habs chose seven players that would go on to become NHL regulars: Mike Komisarek, Tomas Plekanec, Chris Higgins, Andrei Kostitsyn, Maxim Lapierre, Ryan O’Byrne and Jaroslav Halak. With roster players like Saku Koivu, Andrei Markov, Richard Zednik, Mike Ribeiro, Craig Rivet (who was turned into Pacioretty and Gorges, Gainey’s best trade), and Jose Theodore in place, there was a veteran core in place.

    Prospects like Michael Ryder, Jozef Balej (who was later traded for Kovalev, Gainey’s second best trade), Marcel Hossa, Ron Hainsey and Alexander Perezhogin gave the teams some highly regarded youngsters to build with.

    The team was already on the path to the turnaround that happened under Gainey. This isn’t to negate Gainey’s work, as he made some smart moves and he stabilized the franchise by his mere presence…everything I heard at the time was that the players LOVED playing for Bob Gainey. That respect can not be overstated.

    But Gainey was certainly capable of some dubious decisions. I never liked allowing Ron Hainsey to be claimed away for nothing…you simply can’t allow that to happen with a 24 year old who was drafted 13th overall. That was a terrible waste of a potentially valuable asset.

    The acquisitions of Scott Gomez (and corresponding loss of Higgins and McDonagh) and Janne Niinimaa (and loss of Ribeiro) were both cases of overpayment for assets that were not particularly desirable to anybody else. The free agent signing of Sergei Samsonov was a disaster, as was that of Georges Laraque, with both ending up basically exiled from the team.

    Under Gainey’s watch, the kids continued to struggle to be professionals…we saw even more deterioration in an area that had plagued the team since the 1990’s and has only really been addressed by Marc Bergevin this summer. Was there a team more plagued by off-ice nonsense by its younger players than Montreal?

    – the Kostitsyn brothers “scandal”;
    – the partying of Higgins, Gorges and Price
    – the effective exile of Lapierre and Latendresse from the team before their trades after run-ins with a coach who seemed to have a lot of run-ins
    – the Ribeiro, Dagenais, Theodore clique and its effect on the dressing room

    What always kills me is that we excuse it because Montreal’s nightlife is so tempting. Give me a break. New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Toronto…all these cities have ample opportunities for their kids to get into trouble. But you really didn’t hear about it.

    Montreal and Philadelphia seemed to be the two that had the most issues, and I think it was probably just as much organizational ignorance of the issue as it was bad luck.

    • Bripro says:

      I can’t blame the N.Y. nightlife, but the Rangers have had their issues with both most-current players (Avery) as well as past (Kevin Stevens) and coaches (Tortorella). But they must have a dynamite P.R. group, because rumours are quickly swept under the proverbial rug.
      Sure, the NHL is still full of pain-in-the-ass players (Downey, the AK brothers, Ribeiro, Marchand), but they too seem to be able to camouflage wrong-doings.
      The Canadiens seem to have a harder time handling out-of-control players.
      Good thing Alan Eagleson was never a member of the Canadiens’ staff.

    • Timo says:

      How long does it take you to write this, Chris? 🙂

      • SmartDog says:

        If Chris were a hockey player, he’d need a good coach and GM. Boatloads of talent but too distracted by things more fun than working. 🙂

        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

      • Chris says:

        You are suffering for my parents’ decision to force me to take two years of typing classes in high school. While this was good for me, it isn’t so good for anybody who has to read my tomes. 🙂

        That one took about 10 minutes while I was eating my lunch.

        • Bripro says:

          Who are you kidding. You took those classes for the same reason I did.
          The classes were all girls, except for me and another.
          What a great time!
          Come to think of it, maybe you were the other guy….

        • habsfan0 says:

          Excellent,lucid thoughts,Chris. And I concur with everything you say.

          Would be interested to hear your views on the “Who killed JFK?” imbroglio.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I don’t have alot of details or specifics to use as ammunition, but Goodell also has to work with perhaps the biggest egos in all of sports, that being the NFL Owners. People like Jerry Jones, RIchardson in Carolina, formerly Al Davis, the Mara family and of course everyones friend in Washington Dan Snyder. Whether some of these people have egos for good or bad they are beyond powerful.

      Goodell is also a puppet to the owners, moreso perhaps than Selig. FOr him to be able to get this past work stoppage avoided by working with the big owners and the small owners, was in itself very impressive.

      With regards to player safety, they have changed rules, they have brought in significant fines and suspensions. Whether his motives are real or not, in my opinion the NFL is attempting to try make safe a sport that is in essence a concussion per play league.

      The NFL can definitely do much more for its past players, its injured players and its existing players. There is much work to be done, but the commissioner works within the framework of the owners.

      And end of day, I believe Goodell does love football, he is passionate about (even if misguided) it and does know the game. These are things I cannot say about Bettman in comparison.

    • SmartDog says:

      Good assessment of Gainey, though I don’t see it as ‘forgiving’. I see it as pretty damning. At this level a GM can’t afford to make many big mistakes, and you named a couple there as well as generally pointing out that the team seemed to be generally the opposite of a tight ship with players partying too much and several players traded much too early at a loss – all reflecting as you put it “organizational ignorance”. If a player is partying too much or out getting drunk the night before a game, that’s a team issue. The fantasy that Gainey could overpay a group of under-sized players with a league-wide unwanted contract at its center, and turn it into a winner was just that – a fantasy. After failures to turn some of his favorites into successes (Komiserik, Higgins), with his final major action, Gainey really stepped in poop. I said at the time the Gomez trade would handcuff the team for its duration and arguably I was right. That so many people saw this makes me less brilliant but it also makes Gainey more of a failure. it was a crazy, desperate plan. That he made some good trades is no big woop. Making “some good trades” and “some horrible trades” does not make for a successful GM by any measure.

      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

      • Cal says:

        Geez, win a Cup like Gainey did as manager and then maybe your argument has a paw to stand on.

      • Chris says:

        Where we perhaps disagree is that this is not simply on Gainey. The players, who claimed to love playing for him, really let him down. Gainey usually had their backs (as Brisebois can attest), but what could he do with that sort of behaviour?

        I do put some blame on Gainey (as well as Gauthier, Savard and Houle) for not seeing the value in player development coaches. But much of that blame also has to go to the team’s leadership structure. When Evgeni Malkin won the Hart Trophy, he went out of his way to thank Sergei Gonchar for taking him in as a rookie and for mentoring him about being a professional.

        We’ve heard a little from Grabovski after his trade that Koivu was the only guy he felt was talking to him in that way in Montreal. Where was the rest of the leadership group?

        With Hal Gill and Erik Cole, the Habs had a couple of guys who were great in that regard last season. Josh Gorges is certainly a leader for the younger players on the team. The players play a big role here, and for that reason I am reluctant to put too much blame on Gainey alone.

        • SmartDog says:

          I get your point, it’s a valid one, but for two things.

          1. Where does the buck stop? Ultimately the GM is responsible for the team from skill to chemistry to work ethic to on-ice performance. He has the power to make any changes he wants. I think you could argue he may have shipped out some guys who could’ve been kept if he had changed the leadership group instead. I mean he had Mike Komiserik as a possible future captain. Doh! There’s a judgement problem there.

          And 2: If the players let him down, what did he do about it? Ship out most of the team! And what did he replace it with? Something not much better. Sure there was better leadership, but what do we have today? Yes we have Gionta and Moen, and they’re good but Gomez as a leader? Gill and Cami gone… as you say the franchis got somewhat better under Gainey but I don’t find it all impressive.

          Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  26. Bripro says:

    Back to Subban, or more specifically, the FA market for defencemen.
    With the Flyers being seriously depleted, having IMO lost Pronger – let’s face it, his career is more than likely over -, surgery on Mezaros and Lilja, and after watching them offer the sky for Weber, I’m somewhat surprised they haven’t made a move for Subban, or Del Zotto or Carlson.
    I believe all three are RFAs, but that didn’t stop them from trying for Weber.

    • shiram says:

      Rangers and Capitals have 10 million+ of cap space and would likely just match, and MTL has 6 millions of cap space free right now and can make more cap space if necessary.
      All 3 teams are also financially alot more healthy than the Predators.

    • Chris says:

      They aren’t trying because they know the other team will match unless they so grossly overpay that the player is probably not worth the lost draft picks.

      Weber has proven that he is a superstar NHL defenceman year after year. All three of Subban, Del Zotto and Carlson look to be very good players in the making, but there still reamins some question as to what their actual ceiling will be. The kind of contract offer required to have any hope of their respective teams not matching is simply not worth the assets that would have to go the other way.

    • Cal says:

      Holmgren’s lack of success at winning these “match me” battles will hurt him as other GMs may start with the “Why should I help a raider?” type of response to any trade queries.
      The Flyers MAY have sent Subban an offer sheet through Meehan, but Subban would have to sign it. Same goes for those other two you mentioned.

  27. HabinBurlington says:

    So I was reading on some other sites including that Blue and White site in Toronto that the AHL/CHL transfer agreement is also expiring or has expired this summer.

    Would be interesting if the NHL/AHL teams try to lower the age to 19 from 20 so that a player like Galchenyuk in theory could go to AHL instead of back to Junior next year assuming he doesn’t make the Habs out of camp or after his 9 day trial period.

    Has anyone heard any rhetoric on this topic?

  28. OneTimer says:

    Pacioretty is the man. Two years ago it didn’t look like we had any power forwards, now we have two? Awesome.

  29. dhenry1234 says:

    Anybody want to refresh my memory, as well as the memories of other posters on how long it took Carey Price #31 to sign his previous contract?

    • flowerpower_74 says:

      I believe that he signed near the end of August in 2010.
      edit: actually it was September 2, 2010


    • Lizardking89 says:

      I remember people were freaking out about that as well. PK is too valuable to the team he’ll sign.

      • RGM says:

        The spazzing over Price was much, much worse. Remember too that it was all happening in the context of Halak the playoffs hero having just been traded away to “protect Gainey’s pet” as some put it, and Price was viewed very negatively at the time. Oh the memories.

        GO HABS GO! Maybe 2012-13 will be our year!
        “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

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    • savethepuck says:

      Around this time in 2010, posters on here had Anti Niemi ( because he just won a Cup with Chicago ) or Dan Ellis ( because he was an earlier throwin in the SK deal ) starting goaltender when the 2010-11 season opened because Carey Price was a greedy puke and a total bust as an NHL goaltender.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • dhenry1234 says:

      point is that people need to “chill out”

      PK will be signed.

  30. Bripro says:

    I would have to think, whether we’re for or against Subban’s refusal to accept the Habs’ last offer, that his had more to do with his agent’s influence than a gut decision by Subban himself.
    It’s an obvious fact that most players rely extensively on their agents’ opinions and probably go along with their experienced decisions.
    I can’t see where this would be different.
    Since other top-ranked Ds (Del Zotto comes to mind) haven’t signed either, perhaps the agents are telling them to play the waiting game.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Don Meehan is one of those superagents who is going to get everything he can for PK, he is not afraid to use time as his friend, the media as his trumpet. I do also think however, that Meehan is smart enough to know when it is time to get a deal done and that relationships between team, player and fans can get too heated.

      I so far have liked what MB has done, he has some good advisors and I also hope Meehan acts like a pro in this negotiation also.

      Again, there has not been negative rhetoric said by either camp. Also important to remember there are a couple of Dmen named DelZotto and Carlson in New York and Washington going through the same song and dance. Each player and agent are waiting to see who signs first and for what. There is more than 1 RFA in the league still not signed, sometimes we Hab fans get way caught up in our own players and forget the same things are happening elsewhere.

      Have a good day Bri, trust you are well and so happy to be back at work from your holdiay. 😉

      • Bripro says:

        Exactly! You hit it bang-on my friend, except for the work…and happiness thing.
        I would rather be on the beach. And every morning, my grandson looks at me and asks “Svimming g’pa?”

        As for Subban, I agree that we need to be more patient. I too think MB has done a great job in surrounding the team with a management team that, let’s face it, just wasn’t there.
        You can’t build a house from the roof down.

  31. HabinBurlington says:

    Glad to see this thread found a way back to blaming BG. Perhaps he could also be blamed for Bettman, the CBA issues and the high taxation rates for both the team and the players in Montreal. 🙂

  32. Propwash says:

    Pertaining to the Therrien and Subban posts below, if Therrien doesn’t like how P.K plays, it’s now his job as a coach to rectify what he might see as a problem. If there is a season this year, we gotta wait and see how it will all pan out.

    “Access Forbidden” gettin’ ya down?
    Hold down Shift while clicking refresh.

  33. shiram says:

    Apparently these 3 guys have been invited for a tryout by the Habs.
    Montréal Canadiens
    Luca Ciampini, LW Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL)
    Brendan Ranford, LW Kamploops Blazers (WHL) Flyers lost rights to him.
    André Roy, LW Calgary Flames (NHL) (Rumor) a 37 year old LW vet?

  34. SmartDog says:

    Someone used the word thoroughbred below.

    Every time that happens here I think of Gainey’s comments about Price and about not being very good at baking bread. I have to confess that every time I think of that comment I think “what an arrogant jerk” (about Gainey). Anyone else feel that way?

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Timo says:

      I have several feelings about Gainey. None of them can be printed.

      • Cal says:

        Yeah, it’s really too bad about how he set up a pipeline of prospects where there wasn’t one before. It’s too bad how he drafted Subban, etc. It’s too bad how he bought time after the 2009 playoff debacle by getting in UFAs that helped the team temporarily. It’s too bad that Timo doesn’t really like anything about the Habs, save for Subban.

        • commandant says:

          Lets not forget the mess this organization had been in for years before Gainey got here.

          Oh and as this article is about MaxPac, lets not forget how he fleeced the Sharks to get him and Gorges.

          Go Habs Go!
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          • bleedhabs81 says:

            I am still angry he traded away future hall of famer Huet and threw Price in nets… worst move ever. Once Huet finds his way back to the NHL and wins a Vezina, Hart, and the cup we will see the error in his ways!!!!!

            Hip Hip Huet!

          • shiram says:

            Huet is 36 and just signed a 4 year deal with the Lausanne HC.

          • Cal says:

            Shhh! Stop with the facts. 😉

          • bleedhabs81 says:

            @ Shiram. Oh, I know. That is what makes the trade even worse!!!

            Huet will be a 40 year old superstar in the NHL! How did Gainey not see that?

          • Timo says:

            And what is it now? Last in the east screams success, doesn’t it. (and before you all scream, I know we didn’t get to be last in the east during Gainey’s regime, but Gainey did set Habs up for that stellar success by bringing PG in and making that glorious house cleaning exercise.)

          • Bripro says:

            Timo, answer me this.
            Had Price been lights-out in shoot outs at the beginning of the year, as well as a healthy Markov, do you think the team would have still finished in 15th?

          • bleedhabs81 says:

            One would counter with 1st in the east (thanks to the penguins throwing the last game of the year)…. or a run to the ECF…

            again… more wins than losses IMO.

    • Propwash says:

      He could have chosen is words better on the baking bread thing, but it’s all a matter of context.

      “Access Forbidden” gettin’ ya down?
      Hold down Shift while clicking refresh.

    • Mustang says:

      I always had the greatest respect and admiration for Bob Gainey, the hockey player. I am very sorry that I cannot say the same thing about him as a hockey executive. (Nuf said).

    • joeybarrie says:

      I think people really concentrate on the negative when they look back at Bob Gainey. He put this team in a much better place than when he found it.
      I dont know how much better he could have done, as I dont know what all his options were. By that same token I am not sure how much worse… The truth is simply this. When Bob Gainey took over the team went from making the playoffs once in 5 years to making it 5 of 6 seasons. He saw some minor success. But it didnt work out.
      He did some of it with the Previous GM’s picks and resources. He created some of his own.
      Bob Gainey did a good job in Dallas, and they appreciated it enough to have him back. They also won a Cup with him.
      As a hockey player Bob Gainey was phenomenal. As Management, he did a pretty good job.
      As for his comments, what do you think about any great man’s comments? They range from “2 Stanley Cups in my ears” to “If you were my wife, I would drink it (the poison)”.
      My best friend talked with Bob Gainey in Montreal at a bar for over an hour not too long ago and he said he was a nice guy who was down to earth and very accomodating. My friend is also smart, he stayed away from Hockey topics.
      Gainey was right about Price.
      He was right about a lot.
      He was wrong about Gomez.
      He was wrong about a lot.
      No one is perfect, and thats the expectation in Montreal.
      But in the end if you truly believe he did a BAD job, then I think you are either blinding yourself to a realistic expectation or simply concentrating on the negative and enjoy mulling around in the ability to criticize without seeing the positive.

      • bleedhabs81 says:

        I don’t think Gainey was wrong about a lot of things… but he was wrong about Gomez and that was a very big thing.

        I think he had more wins then losses in his trades than people give him credit for.

        Also, I realize he didn’t really sign any markee players, which was a big knock against him… but who is to say that any GM would have been able to. At the time, the superstars may not have wanted to play here regardless.

        Ganiey did not meet my expectations, but he wasn’t as bad as people make him out to be.

      • SegerHabs says:

        One of the most complete and thoughtful comments ever posted on HIO. Thank you!

      • Cal says:

        People crap on Savard and he won 2 Cups as Habs GM. Habs fans can be whacked out.

  35. jeffhabfan says:

    Hello HIO
    I have read this site many times but this is my first post.
    I also just received my Summit tickets from Ian. Hope to meet all of you in Montreal.

    Would someone please explain to me how to put up an avatar or picture here please.

    Thanks Jeff

  36. boing007 says:

    Old King Cole, Nat King Cole or Cozy Cole?

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  37. shiram says:

    Habs sign Luca Ciampini to try-out.
    seems like a very long shot to me.

  38. petefleet says:

    Max for 6 yrs is all good. Hopefully him, Cole and DD can make magic for a few more yrs before Cole’s career is over.

    Saw both Canada vs Russia games in Halifax this week. Make no mistake, this Hudon guy is the real deal. He’s not big but he plays, at that level, like he’s 6ft 2oo lbs. He makes a difference every time he’s on the ice. The coach used him in every situation and the kid stepped up everytime. My buddy and I were calling him Houdini before the first game was half over because he would go into the corner with a couple big guys and come out with the puck or make a pass. I can see why TT liked this kid. He riminds me of no one. He’s got his own style and I boldly predict he will make the NHL. Great games. Lots of talent on both sides. I will say I was not impressed with Yak or Greg in the second game. Both are perimeter players and really made no effort to effect the outcome of the game. Poor showing by both. On the other hand, a great showing by #11, Slepyov (?). Draft elegable this year I believe, playing in KHL with men.


    “It just goes to show how difficult predictions are, especially ones made about the future.”

    ***Habs Forever***

    • commandant says:

      Slepyshev should have been drafted this year. He has first round talent but I pegged him as a late second rounder/early third rounder due to KHL concerns.

      The fact that he wasn’t drafted at all tells me he bombed his interviews, because people should have known about him and should have seen him.

      For no NHL team to even use a 7th rounder in June tells me that he told NHL teams he has no interest in leaving the KHL. He was a 1st overall pick in the KHL draft.

      Go Habs Go!
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      • Bripro says:

        Ben, correct me if I’m wrong on this.
        Because he’s a “non-North American” player, he must be drafted before being offered a contract, correct?
        I know he’s only 18, and will probably be listed on draft re-entry.
        But if he was for instance 20 years old, would he not be considered a UFA? I know this is the case for N.A. players.
        Or does he still have to be drafted?
        Not that it makes a difference…. just asking.

        • commandant says:

          Yes, he still has to be drafted. The situation occured last season with the Flyers trying to sign Tomas Hyka. I wrote a bit about it before

          There is an age where the undrafted non-NAs become free agents, but I’d have to look them up to see when that is…. we know that guys like Lahtti, Brunnstrom, Diaz, Cervenka, Brunner, Gustavsson, etc… have all been signed without being drafted. I believe it is age 20, but not 100% sure.

          The old CBA (up to 2004) forced teams to still draft these players, hence we once used a late round pick on Mark streit.

          Go Habs Go!
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      • Detritus says:

        I defer to your much greater knowledge regarding prospects, but I do remember reading a blurb about Slepyshev.

        It was regarding that he had recently signed a 2 year deal with a KHL team, the precluded his coming over. Combine that with the CBA rule that if a player is not signed within 2 years of his draft, he simply re-enters the draft… any team that would have drafted him, was garunteed to have wasted a pick.. as he will simply reenter the draft at 20.

        • commandant says:

          The two year rule counts for most European countries.

          It does not count for Russia due to the lack of a transfer agreement with the KHL. If you draft a player out of the KHL, or its junior leagues, you keep their rights indefinetely.

          Go Habs Go!
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      • petefleet says:

        There was an article on him in the Hockey News recently. I can’t remember the whole thing but I was expecting him to drafted but he wasn’t. I do remember that he said his dream / goal was to play in the NHL. From what I saw this week, and I’m not a scout, any team would be smart to get this guy to training camp somehow. The rest is a mystery I guess.
        When I said “this year”, I meant 2012, not 2013. Sorry for the confusion.


        “It just goes to show how difficult predictions are, especially ones made about the future.”

        ***Habs Forever***

    • boing007 says:

      Glad to hear that Hudon reminded you of no one. That makes him one of a kind.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  39. accp says:

    PK should get a 5-year deal worth 4.5mil per year. he’s just as important to this team as max-pac. these are two players for the team to build on…..

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Max is on his second contract, just signed his third. He would have been eligible for arbitration next summer.

      P.K. just finished his first contract. Big difference.

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        I must chirp in here. I don’t get this logic. If he’s just as important as MP now, then he deserves MP $ now. After all if I recollect correctly, he was a regular before MP was.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          The logic is that the CBA is structured for progressive increases in salary.

          Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I don’t think PK is worth 4.5 a season currently. He cost the habs a quite a few games in the first half with poor decisions at critical times of the game. PK has the potential to be an elite D man in the league but he is young and was playing far more than he should have last season due to injuries.

          I think PK needs to continue to develop as he is a work in progress so rewarding him with a huge contract now could be a huge mistake.

          These negotiations are critical…he isn’t an unrestricted free agent he is just coming off an entry level deal. I think 3.75 for 2 to 3 years would be more fair.

          • Old Bald Bird says:

            I still think that measured in value to the team, he is at least commensurate with Max. However, as is often the case in my life, I seem to be in the minority.

            Surely reasonable minds will soon come to an agreement. I don’t want to … er … tick this guy off.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            it is ok to disagree. This is all subjective. I do think PK will be worth well more than 4.5 mill a season but I still don’t think he is there yet. We are still waiting for him to put together a solid season. He seems to struggle out of the gate but excels in the second half. This is the time of year when you need him to excel but when you are a bubble team like the habs are currently he needs to be a bit more consistent.

  40. frontenac1 says:

    CE,Agreed! It was the same impression I got last year from watching Therrien on AC. re/Subban. The way he critisized Subban was more about how he was mishandled and how he had to mature and learn. He kept saying he was “an immense” talent and thoroughbred.I just didn”t get the feeling he wanted to get rid of Subban,but rather was frustrated that he wasn”t being coached properly.

  41. Mavid says:

    Accepted view: Anyone who sells more than 200 million albums worldwide must be a great singer.
    Alternate view: Céline Dion being the exception? Hits! Scads of them.

    Accepted view: Men are smarter than women.
    Alternate view: Men are much smarter than women. Duck!

    wow…some people really like all those people who (millions & billions) are deaf?? Just because you don’t like someone does not mean they have no talent…

    and the last statement proves that men are in fact not smarter..if you were you would not be putting that on at all..

  42. Un Canadien errant says:

    An aside about discipline, a word which has a negative connotation. It’s interesting that the root is the same as the root for disciples. In effect, what discipline means is to teach someone or lead someone so that they follow. A superior took the time to explain that to me once, that you’re not yelling at someone or hating on them, you’re telling them “Follow me,” and it stuck with me. When I was in a position to enforce rules on a subordinate, in effect to discipline him or her, I would keep that in the back of my mind, that I’m not punishing someone, I’m teaching them, clarifying rules and situations, so they can follow rules and leadership and be better team members.

    Another thing which I was taught which is very useful is that when disciplining someone, you approach the incident with an open mind, and ask lots of questions and are very curious. I know a lot of you guys and girls work in large corporations or teams and have leadership positions, you’ve probably gone into disciplinary interviews thinking you might have to fire someone and then when you learned all the facts at hand it gave you a completely different view of how to handle things.

    So when an employee breaches rules and ticks you off, it’s good to remember that you’re trying to teach a valuable employee how to be a better employee, and to keep an open mind, be curious, ask lots of questions. Keep emotion out of it. If you have to mete out strong discipline (suspension) or even fire the employee, you do so without anger, and you allow the employee to retain his dignity and self-respect.

    Michel Therrien has a well-deserved reputation as a hothead, but we can hope he has mellowed over the years. I do remember him being critical of certain players on l’Antichambre, P.K. Subban being one of them, but I mostly felt that his frustration was with the coaching régime which allowed him to get away with some of his, uh, highjinks. He implied that if he were running things, they would be handled differently. We can hope that with all the support he’ll have from management, he won’t go on any campaigns against any players. Guys like Rick Dudley and Marc Bergevin and Gerard Gallant will be valuable sounding boards.

    One hopeful thing about Mr. Therrien, if we’re to judge him on his Antichambre reputation, is that he’d caution the rest of the panel constantly, when they’d go off on a player and wanted to run him out of town, that to get rid of a player was the easiest thing to do. The hardest thing, he would repeat, is to find players, so when you have a player, you’re patient with him, you coach and coach some more, and repeat yourself constantly. Michel Bergeron would grumble but agree, and he would chime in that this was essentially a coach’s job, to say something, then repeat it, then repeat it the next day, and not get frustrated about repeating yourself day after day. Notre Dame coach Lou Holtz had a shtick he used to do where he’d talk to players about doing something one way, or running a drill one way, and when it would finally happen, days or weeks or months later, he would pull his ‘famous fainting act’ as his players called it, and drop to the turf, stunned that they’d finally gotten it.

    So while I’m far from being a fan or booster of Michel Therrien, there are signs that he gets it, and that if he does ‘discipline’ P.K., he’ll be doing so out of a desire to see him succeed, rather than just out of a disdain for him and to run him out of town.

  43. HabinBurlington says:

    From the perspective of a Winnipeg Jets reporter, what the Jets fans should be cheering for in the next CBA.

    Habs will always be my team, but still have a spot for those Jets and that city. Kind of a dilemna for me personally, what I want most out of the CBA to help my Habs is probably what is worst for my former hometown Jets.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I’ve always thought some kind of luxury tax should apply for free agent acquisitions, but not for your own free agents. So your own players are cheap for you but expensive for other teams.

      Maybe exempt players below the average NHL salary, etc, so as not to limit freedom of movement too much, but if a loser like Pavel Bure or Dany Heatley sulks his way out of town, it should be with a healthy pay cut somehow. So you have freedom, but your best interests are to make nice and stay with your team.

      I get lost trying to figure out how it would work, in the details, but essentially it would enable teams like the 2004 Tampa Bay Lightning and the Blackhawks of 2010 to stay together as a team and maybe form a dynasty, instead of being broken up for parts. Teams that do well at drafting and developing shouldn’t have to fire sale their players to stay under the cap. The cap should just make it really hard for the Rangers to poach players off the Oilers and the Jets.

      I think it’s important for kids to experience that, the stability of watching essentially the same team year after year, and general fans would appreciate that too. I think the NBA has that mechanism, where a free agent can sign for more money with his current team than he can going somewhere else, it didn’t help in LeBron’s case, but some of these ideas strike a chord with me.

      This isn’t “Billionaires vs. Millionaires.” Only a willfully uninformed fool would apply that sloppy shorthand designation to this disgraceful power grab crafted by some of the wealthiest individuals and corporate entities in North America aimed against professional athletes.–Larry Brooks of the New York Post

      • habsnyc says:

        Not every team has a fire sale. The Kings just gave out a big contract. Boston brought back everyone after their win. The Penguins managed to keep all their players after their two visits to the finals. After the lockout, the Lightning lost Khabibulin to free agency, but kept everyone else and in retrospect, that was the right choice. The Blackhawks signed some large free agent cotracts to get to the Cup and made an error in not tendering to five RFA’s which further inflated their payroll. Vancouver has kept their team together for several seasons.

        The salary cap prevents big market teams from loading up on talent and outspending their rivals by a huge margin. However, there are not a lot of game changing free agents and most stay with their existing team. Detroit has money to spend and cannot find a free agent defenseman. The lack of dynasties can also be attributed to the huge grind of the NHL season and playoffs, the 30 team league and increasing number of well run and well coached teams.

        Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • Bripro says:

      “The hockey fans of this city didn’t put down their money for a franchise that breaks even and stays put but never chases glory.
      They want both. And they should have it.”

      Funny….that could apply to our Habs as well.

  44. frontenac1 says:

    Hola Amigos!
    Great game by the lads last night! I really do like what I”ve seen from Hudon. He plays alot bigger than he is,reads the ice well,and has no problem going to dirty areas. Loved his push back against the Russian D in front of the net. Hope he keeps developing, he sure has the moxie.

    • New says:

      Yeah Hudon looks small but things seem to happen when he is out there. Even distracted the goalie on the overtime series decider. This young man is smart.

  45. shiram says:

    An NHL piece on Subban, hopefully it will dispell any beliefs that he wants to sign elsewhere, or does not want to be a Habs long term.

    • aj says:

      To shiram:

      – According to the article, Subban told “I grew up a Montreal Canadiens fan. I love playing there and I want to play there for the rest of my career.” If he really wants to play here for the rest of his career, why reject a 2 yr. offer? If your loyal to a team, there’s no question you will sign any contract offer for whatever price at whatever amount of years you will play. Isn’t that right?

      • shiram says:

        To : Aj
        From : shiram

        I think he rejected the 2 year deal because the salary was low, that’s if that report was actually true. Considering PK’s importance on the team and what he brings, he deserves alot more than Emelin who got 4 millions over 2 years. The key thing is that the process is still going on, so both sides can reach an agreement that make each side happy with the deal. If both sides want PK to be a Habs long term they have to find that deal that works great for both sides.

  46. ed lopaz says:

    Pat Hickey is correct about the Habs still having some “doubts” about Subban longer term. Subban is asking for the long term contract and the Habs want to go for 2 years this time around.

    why? that is the question.

    well, I can tell you that M. Therrien has not been a huge supporter of Subban these past 2 + years – he has stated publicly that he believes Martin mishandled PK, and that PK needs to be disciplined more closely, more severely.

    Therrien has stated this publicly on RDS as a commentator.

    When Bergevin hired Therrien he made it clear that Subban was part of the core of the team – but the “core” apparently does not mean long term until Subban proves that he can correct the undisciplined aspect of his game.

    No one is a bigger Subban fan then I am. I was literally screaming (capital letters) to have Subban called up before the playoffs 3 seasons ago because I knew the instant talent he would bring to the ice. Many here, including the mods, thought it was too soon. Subban was better off coming up the beginning of the next season. Subban proved to be a huge asset and he has carried the 1 d-man position pretty much ever since (because of Markov’s injuries).

    Even though I am a huge PK supporter, I agree that he needs to sharpen up his game; certain aspects are still too “loose”, too raw.

    Subban needs to respect his coachs. I don’t think he related well to Martin nor did he respect the group that was given the job on an “interum” basis.

    Subban needs to control himself better on the ice – stay calmer, more steady, and less emotional – this will cut down on some penalties, cut down on some wasted energy, and allow him to play better deep into the 3rd period.

    Subban should learn to skate away from the taunting and the agitators. He is a star player and we have Prust, Armstrong, White, Moen, etc to take care of the agitators.

    When Subban shows the team the respect for his coaches, better control on the ice, and more discipline staying away from the nonsense, he will be ready for a 6 year deal.

    I believe this is the Habs position today. Therrien’s position for sure.

    It is not unreasonable, and I am confident that Subban will sign for 2 seasons at about 4 million, and then 6 years on a second deal at about 5.5 million per.

    • twilighthours says:

      The choice between Subban and Therrien – or even disgruntling Subban and appeasing Therrien – is not a choice at all.

      The Habs need to make PK happy.

      • New says:

        Sure but PK needs to make the Canadiens happy as well. I think he got to here by scrapping, not being pushed around, and working hard. He always takes the time to meet fans and talk to the press (never met a camera he didn’t like :-). PK seems assertive and outgoing. That isn’t a bad thing but if you’re trying to carve out a place for yourself it can appear arrogant. Hanging with guys like Crosby and Stamkos at the NHL PA is just what PK needs. It may even save Therrien’s job someday because he’ll get credit for a matured PK.

      • punkster says:

        Like the choice between oatmeal and bran both will work in concert with the desired effects if proportioned correctly. Too much of either causes…well…a lack of cohesiveness.

        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • Lizardking89 says:

        Unfortunately the Habs’ management usually side with the coaches. If St. Patrick can be run out of town by a mediocre tyrant of a coach then anyone can. I hope that Therrien isn’t the reason for the signing delay I really do.

        • Cal says:

          Roy wasn’t “run out of town.” He quit on the team because of a perceived lack of respect. He was as much to blame as Tremblay and Peanut.
          When MB negotiated with Pac for his contract, do you really think Therrien, aside for a little input, had any bearing on the negotiations?

          • Lizardking89 says:

            Bullshit he was so run out of town. He had a bad game and instead of being pulled by Tremblay he left him in to teach him a lesson. He lost his temper and mouthed off to the president of the team. Instead of letting cooler heads prevail they shipped him out of town. It was disgusting the way he was run out of town. The team quit on him he didn’t quit on the team.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            I like the fact that most of HIO lays some blame on Mario Tremblay and Réjean Houle. If Mr. Houle had had any experience, maturity, and control of the situation, he would have called timeout, reminded Mario Tremblay who his meal ticket was, and to play nice. He then would have told Patrick to take some time, maybe fly south with the wife and kids, but when he came back that he’d be expected to fulfill his contract, and that there’s no way he’s getting traded anywhere. Heck, even Patrick Roy was surprised they traded him.

            But wishing for this, I might as well also wish that Mr. Houle had teleported to the future and warned Bob Gainey not to trade for Scott Gomez.

          • Cal says:

            @lk- You have your version of what happened, and I have mine.
            To me, your version is bs.

          • Lizardking89 says:

            I don’t think it is sorry. Roy (according to him) tried to make peace and stay in Montreal but Houle traded him anyway. Lots of massive ego’s were in the front office then and I’m sure the final say came down to Corey. What Houle did to Roy, a legend and arguably the best goalie of all time was wrong pure and simple. Roy has a massive ego we know that but he didn’t need Tremblay to teach him a lesson. Tremblay hated Roy and tried to embarrass him. That’s not a good coach and it wasn’t right. UCE is right on the money. Time should have been taken to make the decision properly and not trade him. That blame rests squarely on Houle and probably Corey as well.

      • ed lopaz says:

        I am not a Therrien fan at all. I just hope that my faith in Bergevin is well placed. I think PK is happy. He needs a little maturity that’s all.
        I remember Chelios matured very well around his 3rd full season and then he was off to the races.

        • habsfan0 says:

          It’s interesting to note that some people think that PK needs to mature on the ice. While that may or may not be true,it has always struck me when PK is doing an off ice interview,how much of a well adjusted and “feet planted firmly on the ground” young man he appears to be.

    • shiram says:

      Yup I love PK too, he was electrifying when sometimes the rest of the team was not, and he is a pretty good player to boot! He certainly has space to improve and tha’s great. I don’t like Therrien at all, but maybe his hard love style can help reign in PK, it will be interesting to see how that plays out, considering Therrien’s comment pertaining to PK.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Exactly. P.K. has lots and lots of potential, and qualities beyond his on-ice talent like his charisma, marketability, fan-appeal and star power, his strong familial ties, his work ethic and off-season conditioning, his rapport with the fans and the media and how well spoken he is, etc. He’s a lot closer to his ceiling as a hockey player as could be projected when he was drafted.

      He now needs to reel in a few of the loose ends: the lack of discipline on-ice, on the bench with the coaches(!), his reported bending of team rules, the unfocused energy wasted on aggravating the opposition or trying to deke out the entire opposite team, etc. These hiccups are what would give any GM pause to grant him a long-term contract and financial security at this stage of his development. Rather keep him hungry with a two-year deal to continue to mature and work on his game and being a pro, and then wrap him up long-term.

      This isn’t “Billionaires vs. Millionaires.” Only a willfully uninformed fool would apply that sloppy shorthand designation to this disgraceful power grab crafted by some of the wealthiest individuals and corporate entities in North America aimed against professional athletes.–Larry Brooks of the New York Post

    • JUST ME says:

      I tend to agree with Hickey in the sense that no player should be bigger than the team. That being said i am not worried at all about him reaching a deal with the Habs eventually. Many players in the league are still not signed with their team and it is only mid august.

      We all agree that P.K.`s up sides way overweigh his down sides. But we agree that he has both of them wich means that there is some work to be done to maximize his potential. I think that P.K needs time to mature in many ways and should sign a short deal before reaching the jackpot in a few years.

      But, if i have the choice between paying him big time and making financial place for Doan then you can forget Doan !

      We need P.K.`s spunk,his attitude,his energy. If tomorrow he becomes available the Habs will have 29 phone calls in 30 minutes. That says it all. For once we are in a driver seat. In the past decade (s) there are so many of those players that we booed in Montreal but that we would taken on our team anytime.

  47. HabinBurlington says:

    The topic of Gary Bettman and his salary. I will admit I am one of the people who believes Bettman is overpaid, however, I really have no idea what he should make and perhaps my reasoning for believing he is overpaid is just the fact I am not a fan of the guy.

    When comparing his salary to other Commissioners it is interesting.

    Gary Bettman – $8mill per annum, Total revenues 2011 $2.9Billion

    Roger Goodell, NFL – Just got a new 5yr contract that will finish with him earning $20mill per annum. It is of interest that he was previously making $10mill per annum and the NFL last year had 9Billion in total revenues. This is 3 times the revenue of NHL.

    Bud “I used to sell used cars” Selig, MLB – Made 18.4 Million last season and apparantly will now make $22Million per annum in his new contract, MLB had total revenues of just under $7Billion last year.

    NBA, David Stern does not have his salary disclosed, it is rumoured to be closer to Goodell and Selig than Bettman, the NBA appears to have had $3.8Billion in revenues last season.

    When looking at the numbers, perhaps Selig is the one grossly overpaid and in comparisons Bettman is probably close to inline, maybe a little overpaid compared to Goodell.

    I like Goodell as a commish, as I get the impression he does care about the game itself, this is one thing I just don’t ever believe Bettman does, is actually care about the game of hockey.

    • Chris says:

      There is one area where we clearly disagree. In my opinion, Roger Goodell is hands down the worst commissioner in North American sports.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Hey Chris, I can completely respect why you would feel that way. I do recognize the players in the NFL have a complete different set of rules to play by and their representation as a union to those players pales in comparison to the other leagues.

        However, on Sundays I am an armchair product watching my Steelers and the rest of the league. I love the game I watch, the way the on field rules change with the times etc… I just love watching NFL football.

        Besides, it is good to disagree, creates good discussion and I always learn from reading others who feel differently.

        Cheers Chris.

        • habsfan0 says:

          Fully in accordance with your post,Gerry. However, there are some “tweaks” which I would like to see the NFL adopt which would make it an even more exciting league,IMHO. One of the changes I would LOVE to see is abolishment of the fair catch rule, which strikes me as being somewhat sissyish,if I may be bold enough to use that term. I think the NFL should enact the CFL rule,where a punt returner is afforded the luxury of a 5 yard buffer zone when he initially makes contact with the ball.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Explain. I’m not a ‘fan’, but I agree with HiB that he seems to care about football, he actually played the game. I think he loves the sport. I disagree with him on a few issues but overall he’s effective and credible. Contrast with Gary Bettman, who never played hockey and regardless of what he says about attending Rangers games as a kid, he was a Knicks fan, not a Rangers fan, and a basketball guy. He may have grown to like the game, but he didn’t grow up loving it, and it shows. He’s also neck and neck with Bud Selig as the Commissioner that his own players hate the most. Roger Goodell has made a few enemies, like on the Saints lately, but he’s seen as much more approachable and genuine and easy-going in his relations with the players.

        • Lizardking89 says:

          I agree wholeheartedly with the Goodell being a decent commissioner. I don’t think Bettman would have the balls to do what Goodell did when it came down to handing down punishment to the Saints. I loved it that he threw the book at them, punishment in the NHL is a joke

          As far as Selig goes I think he’s the only commissioner of the 4 major sports that I hate more than Bettman because of his involvement in the Expos situation and his trying to sweep the steroids issue under the carpet, not to mention allowing said steroid users to break hollowed records.

      • habsfan0 says:

        Chris,I’m not sure why you feel this way given that the NFL is far and away the most successful professional sports league in North America. One thing I don’t like about Goodell though,is his habit of giving bear hugs to draftees on Draft Day when they first appear on the podium, a practice which I find insincere bordering on nauseating. Can you imagine Bettman giving bear hugs to NHL draftees as well? If that was to ever happen, I would love to see these players,most of whom would tower over the diminutive commissioner,pick him up in the air, and twirl him around 360 degrees. That would be entertaining!

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I was hoping the draftees this June would refuse to shake Gary Bettman’s hand, that they’d say: “Are you going to lock us out? Why would I shake your hand?”

          The Goodell hug started a couple years ago, one of the draftees just was so emotional that he hugged the Commish, a couple of other guys did it as a semi-joke, Roger went with it, and now it’s a new tradition, like the triple-low-five.

  48. Ian Cobb says:

    Summit News!

    You should be receiving your tickets in the next couple of days.
    Make sure you check your envelopes properly for your game ticket and hall of fame ticket.

    Game ticket, Raffle ticket, Hall of fame ticket.

    We exchange your raffle charity gift, that you bring , for a raffle ticket, at the Baton Rouge Children’s Raffle. 3pm. sharp.

    More raffle tickets can be obtained there as well. Let’s make this the best fund raiser raffle ever.

    Summit game tickets, News, Pictures and comments

    • Rob says:

      got ours Ian! Now, fingers crossed they come to some sort of resolution over this CBA.

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  49. HabinBurlington says:

    Pat Hickey writes a story about PK/MaxPac. Not sure I agree with Hickey’s assessment that PK is not a cornerstone piece of the future or that they have doubts. Seems to me MB is just speaking carefully as there is a negotation taking place. If MB pontificates to the media how integral PK is to the future and that they believe he is a future Norris winner, this will only cost the Habs more money and term.

    I don’t get the impression in the least that Montreal is not interested in signing PK, but rather are being realistic that this is only PK’s 2nd contract and there is usually a graduated scale of paying players on their 2nd contract.

    • New says:

      I think you’re right on. The time you talk about “building blocks” or “cornerstone” is when the League has accepted the fax. Beforehand makes everyone look stupid when talks break down and you have to move the player even though you wanted to keep him.

      I like that PK is hanging with the PA. This is a business and PK is a businessman. Listening and learning from these guys will help him big time.

  50. habsrock_3 says:

    Patches great signing and hope he stays healthy and has a Cole like career! As for Subban, we’ll sign him at a fair price. MB seems smarter “GM wise” then PG & BG. Hopefully Sub takes a bit of a hometown discount to save $ to sign Doan or another big fwd!

    • Lizardking89 says:

      He’s head and shoulders above what we’ve had since Serge Savard. I’ve been happy with what he’s done so far. Did he go out and break the bank like other teams did (looking at you Minnesota) no, what he did do was make a couple of nice depth moves that added alot of the grit we’ve been lacking since who knows when. I doubt we’re a playoff team yet but there is so much promising talent in our system I’m willing to wait and rebuild from within.

      Building through free agency is a recipe for failure just ask Gainey. We’re rebuilding from the draft when some of these kids are ready and we’re one or two pieces away from contention maybe then we’ll attract a big name or two but for now I’m content to wait.

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  52. HabinBurlington says:

    I am happy to see Canada win the Canada/Russia challenge, but interesting that the tie breaker in the series was OT period played in Canada.

    I am not sure how else they could have solved it, but I don’t think it hurt Canada.

    To the Super Scouts we have on this site, is there any other potential Habs prospects that could be on our World Junior Team besides Hudon? Perhaps this coming Christmas we will have to focus on Collberg in Sweden and Galchenyuk on Team USA.

    • Lizardking89 says:

      I think it might be the only time I root for anyone but Canada if they do play in the World Junior tournament. I can’t wait to see more for Gally and Collberg maybe Thrower might make the Canadian team as well.

  53. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …just got to watch this evenings Canada Russia finale, which My Son taped
    …the Russians either finally had the time change and satisfaction of 2 consecutive wins set into their heads and stopped skating, or Canada clicked into 6th gear
    …I enjoy Team Canada, international hockey almost as much as watching My Habs …in fact, I should say, the level of Team Canada hockey has been more enjoyable to watch on an esthetic level than My Habs for now nigh on almost 25 years
    …and I enjoy under-20 tournaments more than the over
    …I think it is because the juniors have yet to sully their identification with another NHL team
    …junior hockey, today, is played at a skill level I do not recognize from My dayz as a player
    …funny, many say that Huberdeau and Hamilton are certain NHL ready …but I saw at least 10 among the Russians and Canadians as ready as either of those 2
    …when Malcolm Subban was taken by Boston, a groan from My home could be clearly heard in Tokyo …You would have heard in Montreal too, but for the insulation of the Rockey Mountains
    …My prediction is Tuuku Rask is but a filler until Malcolm Subban is ready in not more than 2 seasons
    …and, I can only imagine and anticipate the future drama and story lines when PK’s Habs and Malcolm’s Bruins begin a new era of a great rivalry

    • SlovakHab says:

      Mate, this is honestly the first time in my 2+ years at this site that I read your comment. There is something about your formatting that doesn’t attract my eye and I always skip you.
      Thank you for sharing this insight. I wish I could watch those games, I am really hungry for some hockey

    • Chris says:

      The problem with this Subban comment for me is that it ignores just how dominant Tuukka Rask himself looked as a junior age player.

      Consider Rask’s international peformances as a junior, remembering that he did not have the benefit of playing behind the stacked Team Canada program:

      15 years old:
      U16 World Championship: 3 GP, 1.66 GAA, 0.940 SV%

      16 years old:
      U18 World Championship: 5 GP, 1.61 GAA, 0.927 SV%

      17 years old:
      U18 World Championship: 5 GP, 3.02 GAA, 0.910 SV%
      U20 World Championship: 5 GP, 2.92 GAA, 0.902 SV%

      18 years old:
      U20 World Championship: 6 GP, 2.11 GAA, 0.940 SV%

      19 years old:
      U20 World Championship: 6 GP, 3.07 GAA, 0.899 SV%

      Malcolm Subban is going to have a very, very big mountain to climb if he is going to supplant Tuukka Rask in Boston at any point in his career. I can almost guarantee that it isn’t happening within two years. The Bruins have almost no reason to rush Subban, as Rask has already shown that he can be a very good NHL goaltender (92 starts, 47-35-11, 2.20 GAA and 0.926 SV% over his NHL career!).

      A prospect like Malcolm Subban could very well become the next Martin Brodeur. But he could just as easily become the next Justin Pogge. There are precious few sure things in the NHL.

      The Bruins know that Rask is not another Pogge. Rask was lights out at various times as a junior, just like Pogge or Subban, but he has also put together enough of a resume in the NHL to show that he can get it done there too.

      The other day, somebody was talking about how dominant of a junior player Gilbert Brule was for the Vancouver Giants, a sure-fire NHL star in the making in the eyes of most. It never happened.

    • Curtis O Habs says:

      No T.V. timeouts does much for the pace and intensity.

    • commandant says:

      Canada was the better team in nearly every game in this tournament. The difference was that Brossoit (in game 3) and Lagace (in game 2) sucked.

      All Subban did last night was match what the Russian goalies were doing, and you see the end result when that happened.

      Go Habs Go!
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  54. Un Canadien errant says:

    I do concur that we at HIO are nested fractally. Good on Ian for organizing the Summit and trying to herd us cats together.

    This isn’t “Billionaires vs. Millionaires.” Only a willfully uninformed fool would apply that sloppy shorthand designation to this disgraceful power grab crafted by some of the wealthiest individuals and corporate entities in North America aimed against professional athletes.–Larry Brooks of the New York Post

  55. commandant says:

    Division Rival the Ottawa Senators or should it be the New Stockholm Senators?

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  56. Timo says:

    Everyone knows that the only play everyone should be modelling themselves after is Gomez, Scott. Paciorrety got his priorities screwed up.

  57. arcosenate says:

    Funny thing about history, it’s fickle about judgements in the present. Pacioretty, Cole, Desharnais are Gauthier’s legacy.

  58. FishOutOfWater says:

    now all we need is for Bourque to say the same thing!

  59. JohnBellyful says:

    The NHL, no doubt, will view what the players’ association has proposed with a great deal of skepticism but history shows ‘alternate views’ often have merit, although there have been misses along with the hits.

    Accepted view: The world is flat.
    Alternate view: The world is round. Hit!

    Accepted view: If God meant man to fly he would have given him wings.
    Alternate view: Why don’t we put the wings on a frame with engines and propellers? Hit!

    Accepted view: Man is NOT descended from apes
    Alternate view: Then how do you explain Zdeno Chara? Hit! (And a dirty one at that!)

    Accepted view: Coke is good.
    Alternative view: New Coke is better. Miss!

    Accepted view: Human activity is NOT accelerating climate change
    Alternate view: You’re right, it’s human stupidity that is.TBD

    Accepted view: Anyone who sells more than 200 million albums worldwide must be a great singer.
    Alternate view: Céline Dion being the exception? Hits! Scads of them.

    Accepted view: Men are smarter than women.
    Alternate view: Men are much smarter than women. Duck!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I am guessing you need to get in a foxhole after that last one JB, you are either courageous or well I won’t say. Thanks for the smile. Did you get you tix for Summit? Where ya sitting bud?

    • Bripro says:

      My wife just took off with the iPad wondering why I was laughing my ass off, until she saw your post.
      I hope you’re ducking from pretty damn far.
      Run for cover!

      EDIT: I had to blitz to my desktop to log on and warn you. If she catches me, you might have a new roomie.

      • JohnBellyful says:

        I know how you feel, Bri’.
        I had to minimize the screen when the wife walked into the room.
        But there comes a time in a man’s life when he’s got to speak the truth. Or put it in a blog for Hab fans.

        EDIT: P.S. You were kiddin’ about the missus headin’ my way, right? Ahhh, what do I need to worry for. I’m in the witless protection program, she’ll never find me.

  60. twilighthours says:

    Punkster, if you’re still around, thanks a bunch for that barley comment on the last thread. Gave me little-kid giggles.

    And I do enjoy barley – my favourite of all the grains, even quinoa (which is not technically a grain, I don’t believe).

  61. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    Let’s take a poll: Why do you think the Habs management seems determined to cut ties their best defenseman??

    • db says:

      Over valuing from the agent and realistic 2nd contract value from the Habs it’s what’s taking so long. Essentially they are trying to put a number and term for potential as Subban is still a little rough around the edges (which I like).

  62. Bobby Smith says:

    MaxPac should just model himself after himself. No need to try and be somebody else… just play your own game and hope Desharnais is your center.

    • EasternOntarioHabsFan says:


    • HabinBurlington says:

      You didn’t have a role model you looked up to who influenced your career? I don’t think Max is saying he wants to emulate Cole’s every move, but rather use him as a role model per se. I see nothing wrong with that. Now if he mentioned a player from a very Northeast State in the U.S. I would be concerned. 😉

      • Bobby Smith says:

        You know…. as much as I can think of… Bobby Smith didn’t play like anybody else I can think of. When he got to the North Stars he was the best player on the team by far (not that it would take much). I would guess that his closest role model would be Beliveau, being tall, lanky, and a center, but by the the time Bobby got to the league the game had already changed so much from Beliveau’s time.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Perhaps given the toupe Bobby sported Bobby Hull was his mentor. I understand your point of Max being Max, just think having Cole as a mentor can’t be a bad thing. Have a good night Bobby.

    • JUST ME says:

      Not sure that Max necessarly talks about Cole the hockey player but Cole the human being as a whole. He is much older and wiser and knows things and leads the way by example and attitude.

  63. commandant says:

    For those of you who watched the Canada/Russia game, Hudon was once again damn impressive.

    The scary thing though is that if this is the only game you’ve watched of the 4, it was Hudon’s worst game of the series.

    Which is to say he’s been excellent throughout.

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  64. dhenry1234 says:

    So many people voted that PK should be getting 4 mil a season.

    Sorry people. I agree that he should get 4 mil. But he’ll get 5 mil and after taxes it’ll come down to about 4 mil.

  65. Mavid says:

    faceoff violation???

    • JUST ME says:

      I guess we learn new things every day but i have never seen that penalty before. Even if they say it is a iihf rule still have never seen that before in their tournaments…

      • commandant says:

        Its a rule thats almost never called.

        Basically if the first guy gets thrown out of the circle, and you are the second man in, you can’t get yourself thrown out too… its a penalty instead.

        I’ve actually seen it called once or twice before, but its not often.

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  66. Lafleurguy says:

    Just a reminder to everyone that Erik Cole was the one who paid for Louis Leblanc’s parents to fly to Anaheim so they could watch Louis play his first NHL game.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  67. junyab says:

    Eeek…hopefully Patches doesn’t mean having only two 30+ goal / 60+ pt seasons and being a ghost in the playoffs.

  68. I give Cole much of the credit for Patches breakout season last year. it was obvious to everyone that Cole was teaching Pacioretty how its done. I think Pacioretty will be a younger, faster version of Cole this year (if he wasn’t last year) and he also has a better shot. I hope Cole will be able to keep up with him!
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  69. JohnBellyful says:

    Omigawd, another thread, the sixth in two days! Can’t they run with one for awhile, it’s hard to keep up with Pacioretty 24/7.
    What’s the next thread, his favourite colour?
    (Wonder who PK will say is his model when he signs.)

  70. boing007 says:

    And drive to the net every chance you get.

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  71. Chris says:

    That would be an awfully good choice for Pacioretty. If he plays Cole’s brand of hockey, using his speed to drive the net, he is going to have a long, productive career in the NHL.

    Modelling yourself after Cole is a pretty good idea off the ice too…he’s been a classy player throughout his career and a leader by example for most teams that he’s played for.

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