Pacioretty back on top line

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Max Pacioretty was on a top line as he went through his first practice since being recalled from Hamilton.

Pacioretty was at left wing on a line with Tom Pyatt and Brian Gionta. That’s the spot usually occupied by Andrei Kostitstyn. As for Pyatt, he was probably keeping the spot warm for Scott Gomez, who worked on his own with strength coach Pierre Allard.

Kostitsyn was teamed with Jeff Halpern and Max Lapierre.

The other lines were Tomas Plekanec-Mike Cammalleri-Travis Moen and Lars Eller-Benoit Pouliot-Mathieu Darche.

Josh Gorges did not practice. His partner, Hal Gill, skated with Dustin Boyd. The other D pairings were Roman Hamrlik-P.K. Subban and Alexandre Picard-Yannick Weber.

No sign of defenceman Jaroslav Spacek who left Saturday night’s game in Toronto with an upper-body injury.   

409 Comments

  1. Da Hema says:

    Those are splendid. Poor Darren Pang. Avery’s christmas card is funny.

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  2. ctony says:

    I like Gomez.  He is one of our top 6.  We’re better with him than without him in our lineup.  His salary didn’t cause us to lose out on a material FA signing this season.  But, he has underperformed this season relative to his career standards and most people’s expectations of a second line centre.

    So, put the rant in perspective.  Lou didn’t resign him.  Glen traded him.  Could it be that his skills have diminished a little since these people took a shine to Scott?

  3. Lancer says:

    could not agree more

  4. LA Loyalist says:

    Of course you are right, the coach isn’t out there and if they are not executing then it’s on the players — ergo bag skate them into the St. Lawrence.

    That said, this was supposed to be the team with ‘character’ and ‘intangibles’.  A great team HATES losing – against anybody, anywhere, anytime. As I said, it’s the pattern that’s disturbing. The loss against Detroit, fine. Leafs? Not so much.

    As for my go-to guy, Messr. G – if he was making $4m I would shut up. But we have holes we can’t fill because of his salary, so it’s very frustrating when he’s not even minimally earning his crust. And I ultimately blame Captain BG for panicking, hamstringing us and getting hosed by Glenn Sather. Arghhh!

    Maybe G will find his road to Damascus from being injured and it will light a fire under him. It could happen!

     

  5. Bob_Sacamano says:

    That´s true but Andrei has played less bad games this season than Gomez or Cammalleri. Playing Moen with Plekanec and Cammalleri is ridiculous.

  6. Propwash says:

    I liked Boucher as much as the next guy, but A: He was no longer obligated to stay in the organization, therefore he got a job in Tampa. B: there is no hockey team in the league that would tell a coach ” thanks for taking us to the ECF, buhbye” it just doesn’t happen. There is no decent NHL caliber coach that is available these days, and I believe JM is the best possible coach that was hired by the Habs. Yes, he blows my mind with some decisions, but the team became waaay better with him behind the bench.

  7. habs365 says:

    Kooch-AL46 is like the other top five…not sure…where ever martin puts him…could be on the 4th line against philly and boston…who knows.

  8. BJT says:

    His nickname is ‘Skillzy’

     

    Formerly known as Camel_Larry..
    ..”No more Looser on this teams!!” – Canadienboy

  9. BJT says:

    Firstly: Stop yer yellin’. We can hear you fine.

    Secondly: Never heard of ‘googly bear gomez’ or ‘gionta go fishing’ in my life. JM is ‘the Count’ ’cause he looks carbon copy like the count from the muppets (that IS the muppets, right?). Plekanec is Thomas Jagr ‘cuz of what Theo called him in the playoffs last year, and ‘P.K.’ is, well, his first name.

     

    Formerly known as Camel_Larry..
    ..”No more Looser on this teams!!” – Canadienboy

  10. ctony says:

    I can see laughing at the Isles, Calgary, the Leafs (of course), but Washington is ahead of us and their coach has a better career winning percentage than JM.  

  11. Timo says:

    I am loving these lines.

  12. ctony says:

    What are you talking about? 
    Ottawa went to the Cup Finals two years later WITHOUT JM led by Emery, JM had on his team.  That excuse is factually WRONG.  He couldn’t get past
    the Leafs — insert appropriate hmmmm at this point.

    He was also the Panther’s coach for 4 seasons and GM for 2
    seasons.  During which time, their first
    rounders were McArdle (#20, 2005), Frolick (7, 2006), and Ellerby (10, 2007).  Let me know when they become top tier players
    due to JM’s tutelage.  You’ll be waiting
    a long time.  He had the chance to make
    this team whatever he wanted and finished OUT
    OF THE PLAYOFFS EVERY YEAR HE WAS THERE
    . 
    Ownership let him trade two first rounders and a second for Vokoun.  Which also, conveniently, disproves the
    goalies aren’t worth much as tradable assets story line.

    You must be related to him to overlook all this.

    You’re smart, help us out by spending your valuable time looking
    for a better coach rather than supporting this Jacques-average.  

  13. joshua94k says:

    During the last two games, only two powerplay opportunities. Was there a memo from the league to limit the Canadiens powerplay? Do the Wings and Leafs play like saints? Something doesn’t make sense here…. 

     

    “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

  14. habs365 says:

    if those practise lines are the lines martin is gonna use in the philly and boston games…give philly and boston their 2 points now…it’ll probably save the Habs some injuries

  15. punkster says:

    Bah, what do they know about hockey? People here have far more hockey savvy than anybody you mention. Just ask us.

  16. LA Loyalist says:

    Carbo was even worse, doncha remember?

  17. Rugger says:

    Because Manatees (or is it Manati?) are mammels and thus have no “Gills”

  18. joeybarrie says:

    To finish my ranting from my posts below, I will say this. To all those who continuously bash Scott Gomez, let’s try to remember the people who DID have faith in him, and DID realize his capabilities… They include:

    BOB GAINEY, GLEN SATHER, JOHN TORTORELLA, CLAUDE JULIEN, LARRY ROBINSON, LOU LAMORIELLO and fan favorite PAT BURNS…

    Combined the have MORE than 13 Stanley Cups*, 4 Jack Adams awards and over 200 games won…

    * I tried not to count the same Stanley Cup or games won more than once…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  19. Max_a_million says:

    THIS IS SO NOT FAIR I GO ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE’S CRAZY NICKANMES LIKE ‘THE COUNT’, ‘THOMAS JAGR’, ‘GOOGLY BEAR GOMEZ’, ‘GIONTA GO FISHING’, AND ‘P.K.’ …

    I want him to be the ‘hockey Manatee’ please! please! please!

  20. habs365 says:

    How the hell can a player pick up his game when he doesn’t know what line he’s gonna be playing on…martin being told a 1000 times to put his top six forwards on the 1st and 2nd line, how hard is that…let them be and they’ll figure each other out and play better hockey…that’s all’s wrong with this team…screwing with the lines…wonder why they have no consistency…almost half way through the season and still trying to figure out lines…how many other teams do you see doing that…check it out…only the ones that’s losing…if he doesn’t stop soon…this team is going to join them……..

  21. shiram says:

    Glargh… Total misread on my part there, my humblest apologies.

  22. LA Loyalist says:

    Gee, Gomez sure disappointed a lot of big names. Not sure you want to broadcast that if you’re a fan of G’s.

  23. Kooch7800 says:

    Boyd is back on waivers again.  Feel bad for the guy. I hope someone picks him up or they let him play in Hamilton. 

    Why is Moen still playing in the top 6?  I would rather have Lappy up there as he is fast, hits and has some hands.  Moen has hands of Stone and not a lot of offensive instincts.

    Where did AK46 go?

  24. Max_a_million says:

    oh … that’s a reasonable counter argmument.  Thanks.

  25. shiram says:

    I am the Popeye of poutine, so bring it on!

  26. notbigbird says:

    Migawd man. One of six.

  27. SeriousFan09 says:

    Because he’s already been dubbed the SS Hal Gill by a few places ’round the hockey world.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  28. ctony says:

    How about squid or octopus?

  29. Max_a_million says:

    I will fight you, and after I have vanquished you eat your poutine!

    Take it back!

  30. Vid says:

    I agree. Kostitsyn might be inconsistent but even so he’s more of an offensive threat than Moen will ever be at his best.

    It’s funny how whenever line juggling is done, one of the first changes is to put Moen on one of the top two lines despite the fact that it never does much to spark the offense.

  31. ctony says:

    That’s a fair question, but I don’t have any replacements in mind. It would make a good discussion around here. 

    I’d like to see a coach with an aggressive forechecking system who prefers an uptempo game.   I liked Boucher and think he has very good long term potential.  Notwithstanding TB’s record, they are letting up the least number of shots per game and still losing.  If Boucher had Price, his early numbers would be better.  

    I don’t follow enough junior and minor league teams (outside of our prospects) to have a feel for the up and coming coaches and can’t think of a suitable retread type.  

     

     

     

  32. SeriousFan09 says:

    Are we a little upset this morning that Gomez being off the roster didn’t lead to a winning streak that you could use as an excuse to say he needs to be out?

    Some of this has been coaching here and there of course, but the players have been far too flat in their embarassing losses, if they will not move their feet, I doubt it is because JM told them that’s what they ought to do. Players take some responsibility here. Too often in the bad losses, it’s not the strategy that is not working, it’s that not a single pass between the Habs skaters is going where it should. JM is a puck-possession coach and I doubt that’s part of his gameplan.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  33. thorandresson says:

    It’s just practice and all those lines seem pretty messed up.  I really hope that MaxPac is there to replace Moen in the top 6.  It certainly seems that way since JM went to the Hamilton game to watch on Sunday and that was followed by a call-up.

  34. Max_a_million says:

    Hi I am Maxime, and I am a Canadien.

    or

    Bon Jour je m’appelle Maxime, et je suis Canadien.

     

    Scores everytime!

  35. 24 Cups says:

    J – On the flipside, you could ask what our record is with or without Markov.

  36. shiram says:

    6 out of many missed games by Gomez?? Without the total number of games missed by Gomez,saying we won 6 without him doesnt mean as much.

  37. Storm Man says:

    Tony:)…………………. Im joking.

  38. shiram says:

    Manatee is not a great nickname for anyone anywhere, its just not very complimentary.

  39. Les-Habitants says:

    There are a few days of pratice left, I’d imagine it is more a message than anything.  Andrei didn’t have a good weekend, to say the least. 

    But yah, he does us no good if he’s not on a scoring line.

  40. SeriousFan09 says:

    JM has what he never had in OTT, a goalie who could make a stop when it counted. Giving him Patrick Lalime as his goaltender in those years was a grand insult and guaranteed failure for the team in the post-season. Florida is a hole, no money and it’s not like JM had a lot to work with upon his arrival outside of a couple core players. That team was doomed before he showed up and it will continue to be so.

    Scotty Bowman couldn’t save FLA from being FLA.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  41. HabFanSince72 says:

    Amazing that JM insists on putting Moen on a scoring line.

     

    Scoring line? We have scoring lines?

  42. Max_a_million says:

    Important question of the day:

    Why hasn’t the ‘hockey manatee’ or the ‘human manatee’ caught on as a nickname for Hal Gill playing the penalty kill???  For goodness sake he lays about the ice like a giant manatee sucking up crossing passes in front of the crease.  He is doing a great job on the penalty kill, and I think it’s embarrasing that we haven’t dubbed him with a cool nickname as a reward for it!

    Hal ‘hockey manatee’ Gill … c’mon let’s start a movement here Habbanatics!!!

  43. JasonM says:

    Hold on a sec… Kosty’s on our third line and Moen’s on our 2nd? *pinches himself*

     

    This is unreal.

  44. Jordio-oh says:

    Just did some digging and noticed the Habs have only won one of six games they’ve played without Gomez in the line-up. Could be a coincidence, or it could be related, meaningful or meaningless. In the end, the purpose of researching and posting has more to do with me loving statistics than anything else.

  45. Propwash says:

    Ill bite…. Got any suggestions that could replace JM?

     

    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  46. Max_a_million says:

     

    Oh my now we are laughing on the inside about the funny you have posted, and we are having wonderful Monday fun.  We all can agree now this is the best way to have fun enjoying our team!

  47. LA Loyalist says:

    Be glad we’re not Bruce Boudreau this morning – 0-7 against NYR. Yikes!

    My concern, Serious, is not that we have a flat game after a emotionally tough game (Detroit) but that we have shown a pattern all year, and in fact in past years, of not showing up against teams “below us”. 

    A one-off, fine, forget it and move on, but we’ve played like crap in about half a dozen games this year against “inferior” teams and that is a huge red flag to me.

    I know it’s human nature, but part of the coach’s job is to manage the emotional / effort roller coaster, not too high, not too low. Now that Price is so steady (who knew?) we have no excuse to be this schizophrenic?

    Am I crazy to expect a more consistent effort? This isn’t an all-rookie team, there should be leadership from the older players too.

  48. dh says:

    Come on.  If we’re all not in a position to question JM what do we talk about here? What are we supposed to bitch about then?  Sucky refs?  Don Cherry? 

  49. ctony says:

    Why the JM lovefest?  He’s a career .550 coach.  Which sounds good, until you consider…

    That the average team
    has a .554 winning percentage over the past five years — thanks NHL for
    handing out a free point for overtime losses. 
    That leaves JM just below average
    for his career.  Which is about right
    when you consider his uninspired playoff run in Ottawa and pathetic run in
    Florida.

    Most people wanted JM
    gone last season. 

    Apparently Halak’s playoff
    performance and Price’s start this season have you seeing through Chocula-coloured
    glasses

     

  50. Habsrule1 says:

    Agreed 100%. Questioning decisions is more than fine. Calling the coach names, etc when he is doing pretty darn well is something else.

    There are things he does…hell, things every coach does, that I don’t agree with. I assume that he’s usually making his decisions based on information he’s gathered in his 1000+ games coaching in the NHL, and even that doesn’t guarantee that he’s right. If he was losing more than he’s winning, I’d probably on him much more when I disagree with what he does.

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  51. CrashTheNetCrashTheNet says:

    Yes Agreed. Let us all be thinky about our team.

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  52. 24 Cups says:

    Your lines make sense to me.  That would also give us two PK teams of Gionta/Gomez and Moen/Halpern.

    Pyatt is going to be in tough once Gomez returns.  Weber can play with Hamrlik.

  53. Mark C says:

    I’d bet my money on those lines too. Pyatt clearly won’t center a top-6 line, by practicing out of position it would suggest that he’ll most likely be the scratch. It’s time to reunite that top line, and Max gives the Gomez-Gio line a big body who is willing and able to shoot (Moen is barely averaging a shot a game, while Max is almost getting 5 a game in the A.

    Think Shelly should have gotten more than two games, brainless play on his part.

     

  54. Thomas says:

    Why do you have all the centres on left wing??  I love those lines with the centres where they are supposed to be…at centre.

    Cammy plays great with pleks, an gio an gomer gotta get goin at some point, an i like the addition of patches to that line, good speed & size.

    Fingers crossed for this alignment!

  55. Kooch7800 says:

    I am not talking about his contract I am talking about his play. 

  56. Max_a_million says:

    I don’t think wondering about the lines, having thoughts and suggestions, and questioning the lines is tantamount to hating, disliking, having disdain for, not trusting, or any of the above with JM.

    Like the rest of us he is not perfect, and will make mistakes.  We all have players we like better or worse in our minds, even if we like them all and love the team. 

    I think it’s alright to say that it seems like it’s not working at all to have Moen on the top two lines, or things of the sort.  Perhaps the people who are questioning our questioning shouldn’t be so sensitive and allow us to be thinky about our team.  Please take that as it is put out as food for thought, and not attacking or offensive. 

    Cheers

  57. Kooch7800 says:

    Hey,I like Gomez but seriously what the heck.  If you prefer you can use the straight statistic of 9 points in 29 games which would be the equivalent of a 4th line player. Call it absurd but I wouldn’t be surprised if gomez doesn’t break 40 points this year which is brutal.

    They need to get him going in a big way.

    One line teams don’t make it in the playoffs.

    I think in a couple years Eller will be an awesome 2nd line centre.  He is so quick and smart with the puck.  He also is not afraid to get his nose dirty.

  58. ctony says:

    Not sure I would call Patches/Pyatt/Gionta
    our top line.  I can almost understand it
    if Gomez comes back and replaces Pyatt.  If
    JM stays with AK/Halpern/Laps, then
    that leaves: Cammi/Plecs/Moen; and Darche/Eller/Pouliot

    Amazing that JM insists on putting Moen on a scoring line.

    I
    would like to see him on a sandpaper line with with Halpern and Laps.  That leaves Eller with Pouliot and Darche and
    leaves JM to fiddle with Plecs/Cammi/Gionta/Gomez/AK/Patches to create two
    scoring lines.  

     

  59. Propwash says:

    Yep, I mean, lookit the Caps. Totally tearing it up…….. LOL, couldn’t say that with a straight face.

     

    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  60. zozotheclown says:

    I’m confused, if Patches is will that line, waiting for Gomez, and AK46 is with Halpern, then whose with Plecks and Cammy? Probably just practice lines anyway, but Moen in AK46’s spot would be… displeasing…. if it ever happened to start a game that is.

  61. Max_a_million says:

    They will just replace him with Carcillo, which could be worse. 

  62. Max_a_million says:

    Since today apparently?

    So that leaves Plekanek, Cammalleri, and Moen???

    Eller, Darche, and Pouliot …

    Weird lines, hopefully they change tomorrow.

     

    On another note, I would like to see Desharnais get a chance to play. 

  63. SeriousFan09 says:

    Team seems to be on a winning record despite the evil machinations of JM, funny that.

    Still can’t believe people think a team they accuse of not being Contender-class can have this good a record when the coach sucks. I don’t say that the Habs are Contenders quite yet, but your team has to be stacked like crazy to overcome bad coaching.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  64. Habsrule1 says:

    JM’s job is to get them as high in the standings as possible and as deep in the playoffs as possible. He hasn’t done too bad a job there, has he?

    No doubt the players should be ready for every game, and the coaching staff needs to take some responsibility for that, but you need to look at the big picture as well.

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  65. Mats Naslund says:

    Agreed. Gomez is injured, and if you’re going to ‘send a message’ today (two days out from a game) is the time to do it.

    Fearless Prediction:

    Plex-AK46-Cammy

    Gomez-Gio-Patches

    Eller-Pouliot-Darche

    Halpern-Moen-Lappierre

     

    Not that I think Pyatt has played his way out of the lineup – but Patches moves Moen back into the bottom 6 where he can be more effective – and also creates a battle for spots. Philly is big, so I say Halpern with Moen and Laps. 

    Shelly is suspended.. so we won’t be seeing him on the pp at the end of the game for Philly.

  66. punkster says:

    I’m astounded that you continue to claim hockey knowledge. But then again, not really.

  67. CrashTheNetCrashTheNet says:

    Since when is Patches-Pyatt-Gionta a top line?

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  68. LA Loyalist says:

    So it’s ok w you that we just mailed it in on hnic against the crappy leafs? Isn’t it count choculas job to have them prepared?

    Just asking because I am astounded by your comment.

  69. jennifer1984 says:

    As others have mentioned, I do think Cammy needs to be back with Pleks. We saw the results right away on Saturday.

    He played harder, looked happier, etc.

    Hopefully MaxPac’s success with the Dogs will spill onto his game up here.

  70. Mark C says:

    Max-Pac-Gomez-Gionta, makes a lot of sense, Max and Gionta will help to outset Gomez’s current reluctance to shoot. I would guess come game time Wednesday the top line will be Cammy-Pleks-AK46. Maybe JM is trying to send a small message to AK46 to pick up his game, which has recently been slacking.

    It’s pretty funny reading people crap on practice lines two full days before the next game, man some people just hate JM.

     

  71. Habsrule1 says:

    Although I don’t agree with PK sitting out 3 games, I really don’t feel I am in a position to question JM, unlike some people who seem to think they know what’s best for the team much more than a coach who got the Habs to the eastern conference final and now into 3rd place in the conference.

    Can we please give the JM bashing a rest, at least until the team plays like Saturday more than once a month…..FFS.

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  72. HardHabits says:

    The Habs are 1-5-0 without Gomez in the line-up. How much more proof do you need?

    What’s inexcusable is you and others here going on and on with your simplistic calculation points/salary=value.

    Read this article if you can and you’d see just how much of an impact Gomez makes on the only stat that matters, WINS!

    If Gomez was a liability I’d be the first to say it. He isn’t. On the contrary he is a valuable asset to the team. In fact his absence has created a huge gap down the middle. The sooner he returns the better, for us Habs fans that is.

  73. crabvader says:

    I’m astonished at the fact that such an intense and physical player, Ovechkin, can be such a poor fighter. :P

  74. longtimehabsfan says:

    Don’t look now but the Caps have lost six straight.

  75. TomNickle says:

    I really didn’t think Pacioretty was going to get a call up this season because of the team 990 interview.  Management must really be under the impression that he’ll be staying up for good with this call.

  76. Storm Man says:

    Tom Tom Tom What happen to the Pack this weekend?

  77. SeriousFan09 says:

    Elliotte Friedman’s 30 Thoughts has some great stuff from DET-MTL.

    Chris Osgood calls Carey Price “The Canadian Ryan Miller” and the legendary Nicklas Lidstrom is very complimentary of PK Subban’s game.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  78. crabvader says:

    Classy team.

  79. Max_a_million says:

    For those of you who missed it this morning, by consensus we have all agreed that Hal Gill is now:

    Hal ‘le gros lamantin’ Gill (big manatee) …  enjoy his new nickname, you are welcome.

  80. SeriousFan09 says:

    I wish I could dump TO out of the NE and bring DET in, would make for great hockey.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  81. John Cobb JR says:

    Why don’t we give Price the nickname of the goalie off of the Love Guru. Carey “Le Coq Grande” Price

  82. Mats Naslund says:

    though recently we’re not exactly Toronto killers… I wouldn’t want to lose that much!

  83. Harani says:

    AND Nik Lidstrom, a man who know a thing or two about defense said (From Elliotte’s 30 thoughts):

    “Lidstrom, by the way, is a fan of PK Subban’s. “I’ve watched a few of his games,” he said after Friday’s 4-2 win over Montreal. “I like the way he moves the puck…he has a lot of potential.”

  84. JohnBellyful says:

    I personally — but entirely objectively — believe in five-man units. It really simplifies things. But my system also adds the element of juggling lines on the fly. When the starting five leave the ice they enter the bench at one end and the five at the other end take their places. The players would then proceed to rotate in this fashion for the remainder of the game.

     Naturally this will result in multitudinous line combinations and defence pairings, which will be sure to throw off the opposition and at the same time build team chemistry and versatility. It would also help the team cope with adversity such as is now the case with the loss of two defencemen. Knowing AK and Laps could man the blue line in a pinch couldn’t help but put coach Martin’s mind at ease.

    And we fans would have a field day watching the various lines unfold, hoping against hope that even one of our fantastical creations would at some point see the light of day. (“Didn’t I tell ya Gill centering Gionta and Halpern would light it up!”) Of course, tremendous debate would follow as to how the players should be seated before the opening whistle. (“That idiot Martin, why did he have Pyatt, Hammer, Gorges, Picard and Subban sittin’ in a row? I woulda had …”)

    I realize this proposal might come across as being unorthodox, heretical – okay, even harebrained – which is why I suggest the experiment be limited to 30 games. That should be sufficient time to establish its worth or candidacy for the dustbin.

    The only caution I would add, as if it needs saying, is that the backup goaltender not be considered part of the rotation. Auld’s not that fast — the pads, you know — and I hear his backhand is pretty weak.

     

     

    “A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants.”

  85. HardHabits says:

    I wish I could dump TO out of the NHL.

  86. SeriousFan09 says:

    Perhaps it would force MTL to play their best more often as well. You want to be the best, you have to beat the best and frankly, I enjoy watching the Red Wings, they are a model hockey organization and bring a great brand of hockey to the ice.

    Tough games, but they would be great games win or lose.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  87. Habby_Haberton says:

    Audio is not working. Can we get a fix please.

  88. LA Loyalist says:

    Ok. Just stop it. You are far too smart for HIO. Next you’re going to be wanting the goalies to be able to come out to the blue line and do dump ins, or worse, try to score.

    The union will go crazy.

    Don’t publish your home address.

  89. LA Loyalist says:

    This is all fun and games until the Quebec language police come down on us – or someone loses an i.

  90. LA Loyalist says:

    You indirectly raise an interesting question: where would you (et les guys) be on having tiers like soccer in Europe. If you suck one year, you get relegated. If you’re great, you move up.

    Of course it will never happen because of the union and Gary “Satan” Bettman, but wouldn’t it be amazing if the top 10 teams only played each other? Just for fun on a slow day.

     

     

  91. smiler2729 says:

    Less than a year ago, I was getting trashed by some here when the old Crosby-Ovechkin debate would come up and I’d put all my eggs in the Sid basket. Even after pointing out that Sid’s Pens had won a Cup while all Ovenchicken has done is act like spoiled goof (sunglasses & Bermuda hat at the AS Game, come on, man!)

    Now Crosby’s gotten even better at every facet of the game while the ‘chicken has become part of the problem in underachieving Washington…

    Just sayin’ is all.

  92. shiram says:

    By your own concensus you mean?

    Besides there is already an hockey team called the Manatee’s (Miami).

  93. MikeL says:

    Why in the world is the Gomez line so often refereed to as our “Number 1″ line.

    It’s not, and never has been. Any line Plekanec is on is the defacto number 1 line.

  94. Mark C says:

    It wasn’t, it was refereed to as: “a top line.”

    I read that as one of the two top lines, everyone and their brother know whatever line Plek’s is on is the #1 line, not that it really matters.

  95. JohnBellyful says:

    That would be my next posting: changing the collective bargaining agreement. After that, rules of the game. And then the point system (one point for loss, two for OT win, three for regulation win, and zero points for shootout, win or lose, but discount coupons at Tim Hortons for scorers).

  96. JohnBellyful says:

    CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

  97. savethepuck says:

    I personally chalk it up to work ethic.  OV may possibly of been ahead at one time ( honestly don’t know but they were close), but Sid’s work ethic has now put him ahead.

  98. 24 Cups says:

    Jody Shelley received a two game suspension for his hit from behind on an icing call.  Maybe if the NHL made it 10 games (and a loss of $125000 in salary) it might just have more impact.  I would also have his salary loss count agaisnt Philly’s cap and not allow the team to replace him on the active roster while he’s suspended. 

    You could easily clean up our beloved game in less than a year.  Sadly, nobody seems to be that interested in doing so.

  99. geo_habsgo says:

    Just a little impromptu survey:

    How do you all feel about Marinaro on team 990? 

    Just trying to guage the popular opinion. I personally find him really annoying and entitled. He is a big know-it-all, although, I imagine that is what some people like about him. I personally feel that some of the posters here (not saying me!) could do a much better job and offer a much more insightful and informed position than marinaro’s. But i have said enough what do you guys think?

     

  100. Corio says:

    Tony is quite knowledgeable, he is a great guy although I don’t know him personally.  He makes very good points/arguments when analyzing hockey and is always a pleasure to listen to.  There aren’t many if anyone better at doing what he does in the English sports community in MTL.  It is no mistake that L’Antichambre has taken him on as a guest from time to time because they recognize his knowledge and appreciate his perspective.

  101. shiram says:

    I thought they took him in cause he was already in the studio recording his gambling ads.

  102. Max_a_million says:

    It’s all gravy poutine boy.  :-)

  103. lavie says:

    He used to be good. He has recently become an angry man, at age of 39.

  104. Max_a_million says:

    Radio shows need controversial people with strong opinions to keep people listening.

    He isn’t bad, but he is very opinionated.  At least he plays less music than Melnick.  He has some great stuff, but his music is terrible.

  105. geo_habsgo says:

    Fair enough. Don’t necessarily agree with you but I hear what you are saying. It’s not like I know him personally or anything so I am definitely not commenting on his character, I am just talking about the way he seems to come off on the radio. I also haven’t listened to him that much so maybe I just haven’t given him a chance to grow on me but I don’t know.. I find he like to stir the pot sometimes..but I suppose that makes for good radio sometimes.

  106. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    what a scumbag.

  107. habby27 says:

    i Disagree with the line combos.. how long will it be now til someone says “Kostitsyn is really struggling and is pointless in last ‘X’ games”

    We get 1 or 2 PP’s a game lately… where’s he gonna get points… not with Laps and Halpern thats for sure. Why not put him back on the line where is was torching the league?

  108. andrewberkshire says:

    He’s a complete hack, one who should be investigated for illegally obtaining a Canadian citizen’s private medical records.

  109. smiler2729 says:

    Annoying and entitled, perfectly said. Double it for me, add condescending. He’s a wannabe, I bet he’s never skated in his life, I see him more as the ball hockey type.

  110. JohnBellyful says:

    I like the idea of relegation, the idea being that good teams are rewarded for stellar performance and the fans are treated to superior games on a more consistent basis. But, as you say, I can’t see that happening, because of Bettman and the union. Wouldn’t want excellence to depress the value of teams in the bottom tier or to lower players’ salaries, even if it meant better entertainment, and greater incentive for cellar-dwellers to improve themselves.

     

  111. geo_habsgo says:

    haha, Markov? Yeah that boggles my mind I wonder how he did that. I guess he has a few friends in high places? Must be if he beat the gazette team to the story.

  112. avatar_58 says:

    Just make it no-touch. What’s the difference? Either it’s icing or it isn’t

  113. Say Ash says:

    My friends and I have been calling him “Hasselhoff” for a while.

  114. Kamal Panesar says:

    Here, here!

    If JM wants to go with MaxPac on a line with Gomer and Gio, I have no problem with that, but then AK, Plek and Cammy have to be reuinted.  I think that is what he’ll do…at least I hope so.

    Moen has no place in the top-6 and has proved as much over the last few weeks and months.

    I can’t imagine JM playing AK with Halpern and Laps….that is just too much.  Then again, JM has been known to do things that we don’t expect him to do.

    Fingers crossed!


    Kamal writes on HabsAddict.com and Hockeybuzz.com. Follow Kamal on Facebook & Twitter.

  115. geo_habsgo says:

    Gomez-Maxpac-Gio

    Pleks-Cammie-Ak

    Eller-Darche-Pouliot

    Halpern-Lapierre-Moen

    These lines look good to me. loads of talent in the top three lines. Halpern lapierre and moen used for some energy hockey. Halpern plays smart, lapierre has his speed to get him in the lanes for halperns play and moen is good enough to throw it around and occasionally put it in. 

  116. andrewberkshire says:

    I’d like to know who told him, because it’s not legal, and they should lose their job.

  117. GrimJim says:

    Funny thing here in Calgary, the morning sports guy grew up in Toronto so he is anti-Canadiens (never talks about them unless something is going wrong, does “humour” bits poking fun at Quebec/French comedy, was constantly saying that the only way Price would ever regain his form woyuld be if he got the hell out of Mtl, that sort of thing) and he always calls Marinaro for the “angry” view. But the afternoon guy grew up in Ab so he doesn’t have the hate-on, so he usually calls Murray Wilson. So when something national is going down about the Habs, in the morning I hear the absolute worst-case scenario, then in the afternoon I get the best case scenario…

  118. ross says:

    Anyone else see this bizarre sequence yet?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK6NTuuvBnw

    Mikko Koivu loses his stick, then *steals* the stick of Minnesota’s Bobby Ryan. Ten seconds later, Ryan gives up on hoping for a penalty and picks up Koivu’s stick, then promptly scores a goal with it.

  119. HabFanSince72 says:

    I haven’t heard about this. Tell me more.

     

  120. habby27 says:

    No team in the league is that deep from 1-12

    And we all know how good our D are (when healthy) and Price of coarse is a top 1 or 2 goalie in the league

    Spells Success to me!

     

  121. GrimJim says:

    okay, in order to strictly follow Bill 22…

    hal LE GROS LAMANTIN gill

  122. punkster says:

    But then you log in here for the balanced and reasoned opinions of the commentariat.

  123. GrimJim says:

    Wasn’t that what half the Commentariat were calling him last year…?

  124. Kooch7800 says:

    I agree.  The suspensions are not long enough to justify having them.  That was a dumb hit. I would have gave him 5 games min to think about it.

    I thought Semin should have got one for the cross check to the head on Saturday as well.  I don’t like that guy

    : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTNPRqKVaP0

    That was brutal and no suspension

  125. Mattyleg says:

    Uhh… did I just see on RDS that we’ve put Boyd back on waivers?

    I was in a bar (oohh.. afternoon bevvies: best there are) and didn’t catch the headline.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  126. GrimJim says:

    Nice try. I’ve been to the Summit and seen first-hand how unbalanced we all are…

    I tease because I’m vaguely fond…

  127. geo_habsgo says:

    is this sarcasm? I can’t even tell lol.

  128. Laramy87 says:

    Like the call-up hate the combos… JM is dumb. Moen is a better checker than a goal scorer, AK is a better scorer than a Checker. I think Moen and Halpern would look good against a teams top line. The only way to get a struggling forward on track is to put him back on a line wiht Pleks and Cammy where he was on fire earlier this year. And the all-american line i like too. Gio-Gomez-MacPac…

    I hope JM has sense to put the lines that everyone wants together…

  129. scrowe21 says:

    Notice someone posted this on facebook….

    http://www.habstalkradio.com/1656/habs-now-3-points-out-of-8th-sources-“trade-coming”/

    I really hope theyre not planning to trade Pacioretty, but it wouldn’t suprise me after his interview a few weeks ago.

  130. scrowe21 says:

    Also..the audio clips aren’t working. Im interested to hear what he says.

    nvm. saw the interviews on tsn.

  131. geo_habsgo says:

    Shortly after Markov went down this time around Marinaro started reporting that according to his “reliable” sources markov would require surgery and would be out for the year. He got the diagnosis of the injury correct way before other media got their hands on the story and most media people were openly questioning his sources but they all proved to be true. Leads one to believe that he has a doctor in his inner circle feeding him info.

  132. Habs Fan in LeafLand says:

    I like the fact that MaxPac plays on the top line. Everyone knows that’s where he belongs and he was right to say so earlier this year that it would be better for him to stay in Hamilton rather than join the Habs’ 4th line.

    That said, I don’t know if I like the idea of AK46 playing with Max and Jeff. We had a top line going when all three were producing: Pleks/Cammy/AK46. Why not put Gionta back with Gomer when he comes back and put MaxPac with them….they would form an all US line

    We could call it the “Free-trade connection” :)

    http://habsfaninleafland.blogspot.com/

  133. DearyLeary says:

    And we’re 2 points out of 2nd?

  134. DearyLeary says:

    Gionta, Pacioretty, Gomez.  GPG (goal per game!) haahah

  135. derfab says:

    Pacs represents change. He will force some roster moves and perhaps allow Gauthier a shot at a top D-man. Then again, the club will not just sit and wait. 

  136. Mark C says:

    TSN has a video and article up on their website.  Whatever harm was done, it seems its water under the bridge at this point.

     

  137. Mark C says:

    1 point down with 2 games in hand on the Caps for 2nd.

    Maybe the number that means the most is Montreal is ten points out of 9th place.

  138. andrewberkshire says:

    You haven’t heard that your medical records are confidential between you and your doctor? Markov’s were too, yet Marinaro found a way to obtain Markov’s medical records and release them to the media, because he’s a classless tool.

  139. Mattyleg says:

    Okay, I had to answer my own question (thanks guys, appreciate it…)

    And YES, Boyd is back on waivers.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  140. Mattyleg says:

    Perhaps they’re sending him down to replace Patch?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  141. smiler2729 says:

    Bobby Ryan’s on Minnesota now??

  142. ross says:

    Er, yeah. Other way ’round.  ;)

  143. thorandresson says:

    that’s what I think, I think Patch is here to stay

  144. smiler2729 says:

    Kinda pissed that Dustin Boyd wasn’t given a fair shake or a clearly defined role. I was kinda hoping he’d turn into Dominic Moore revisited x2.

    So malcontent and future career NHL third liner Sergei Kostitsyn was dealt for a chance to sign Dan Ellis, who’s probably a step or two above AA (Alex Auld) and Boyd who’ll be in the AHL… In a Preds-Habs deal, SK74 shoulda brought Legwand.

     

  145. Tremblant Habs Fan says:

    I don’t mind TM at all, he’s the only one I’ll listen to on the Team, the rest of the time I’ll tune into CKAC(and I’m an Anglo). I enjoy his show and agree with alot of what he says.

    Teaman is terrible, doesn’t have half the knowledge of TM, just the gift of the gab! He had the nerve to say that he doesn’t consider MMA a sport and couldn’t care less about it, which is fine, but its’ the fatest growing sport and if it’s his job to talk sports, he should learn about it cater to the listeners, instead he talks about fishing every frickin Wednesday!!!

    Melnick is condecending, has a man crush on Bob Dylan, Bill Lee and Pierre Maguire and talks more about music than sports. He should have gone to CHOM when the Expos left.

    Guys in the morning? The three stooges, except they’re not funny, they only think they are.

    Sorry if I’m going on a rant here, but the Team 990 needs to get they’re act together and put some quality broadcasters on the air, for now CKAC is where I tune into.

  146. J Haul says:

    Why, oh why is Moen still in the top six?! I was stoked when I saw this headline and was sure it spelled the end of Moen flubbing great scoring chances. AK is clearly top six, Moen is clearly bottom 6. Is there anyone who doesn’t see this? I mean, Moen’s a great guy and teammate, but he’s simply not skilled enough to play with our top guys.

    Kostitsyn/Plekanec/Cammalleri

    Pacioretty/Gomez (when healthy)/Gionta

     

    Swap wingers around all you want, but I can’t imagine not realizing that these are the guys you make up your top six with right now. Oh the agony….

  147. HardHabits says:

    If Gomez was a liability I’d be the first to say it. He isn’t. On the contrary he is a valuable asset to the team. In fact his absence has created a huge gap down the middle. The sooner he returns the better.

  148. LA Loyalist says:

    Sure. North Stars. Minny Soda North Stars.

     

     

     

     

  149. avatar_58 says:

    I don’t understand why they signed Boyd if they weren’t planning on playing him. It’s not like he played badly, he wasn’t even given a chance. Did they just not expect Darche to be regular? We had plenty of AHLers to callup if he didn’t, so the Boyd signing seems pointless.

  150. geo_habsgo says:

    Granted, I don’t know who the player from the preds you mentioned is but it has been said here before that we traded sergei in exchange for andrei (even if it doesnt seem that way now).  And dustin boyd had his shot in my eyes he just didnt bring anything special to the table. Would you really play boyd over Maxpac? 

  151. Castor says:

    I don’t think AK with Max and Jeff will stick until Wednesday.

    You’re right about the lines. Should be (In my opinion)

    AK_PLEKS_CAMMY

    GIO_GOMER_MAXPAC

    POULIE_ELLER_DARCHY

    TMOEN_HALP_LAPS

    With Pyatt on the bench. Until Laps deserves to be on the bench.

     

    I look at that line up and think it’s one solid team. Better than we’ve had in years if they play to potential

  152. LA Loyalist says:

    “Kostitsyn is really struggling and is pointless in last ‘X’ games””

    You’re welcome. :)


  153. geo_habsgo says:

    Agreed. Boyd is redundant on this team.

  154. Castor says:

    AK_PLEKS_CAMMY

    GIO_GOMER_MAXPAC

    POULIE_ELLER_DARCHY

    TMOEN_HALP_LAPS

    With Pyatt on the bench. Until Laps deserves to be on the bench.

     

    I look at that line up and think it’s one solid team. Better than we’ve had in years if they play to potential

  155. ctony says:

    Sure SK is outscoring Legward in less games and averaging a lot less minutes, but Nashville wouldn’t make that trade…. Legwand makes $4.5m per, I wouldn’t want him.

    For what it’s worth, SK is on a five game point scoring streak with 1G and 5A, +7 and get more playing time than earlier this year.

  156. HabFanSince72 says:

    Yes, I am aware of patient confidentiality, thanks.

    My request was more for info on the specific incident in question, which I have never heard of. I don’t even know who Tony Marinaro is.

  157. ctony says:

    agreed, redundant. 

  158. J Haul says:

    holy smokes! No suspension on that? Unbelievable!

  159. christophor says:

    Above average top two lines. 

    Some of the best depth lines.

    Looks good!

  160. Mattyleg says:

    For the record, Ellis is getting far more than we’d be willing to pay (or should pay) for a number 2 goaile.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  161. christophor says:

    Boy, and you say others won’t let this issue go. 

    One thing I’m guaranteed to see every time I come on HI/O is a Gomez related comment by HH.

    Way to be his defender. Keep calm and carry on.

  162. Hagar says:

    There were fans that thought we should trade Sergei for a bag of pucks. They got their wish.

  163. HardHabits says:

    Halpern is Dominic Moore x5 and Eller’s progress pushes Boyd off the depth chart, so what’s the issue? The fact that Boyd’s cleared waivers twice is enough of an indication that he’s not sought after. Getting rid of Sergei was well worth it; addition by subtraction.

  164. ZepFan2 says:

    Now he can get together with Karla Homolka and talk shop.

    ————————————————————————

    “Young people have seen that a team can play electrifying, fascinating hockey while still behaving like gentlemen.”

    ~Serge Savard~

  165. LA Loyalist says:

    a purely numeric argument: :) (just to piss off certain peoples)

    #    POS    PLAYER    GP    G     A      P    +/-             $ per year

    C    JEFF HALPERN    30    6    10    16    11           $600,000 approx
      
    C    SCOTT GOMEZ    28    4    5       
    9     -2             $7.375 approx

     

    bring on the intangibles

     

  166. christophor says:

    redundant indeed.

  167. andrewberkshire says:

    I didn’t mean to sound like a jerk, sorry about that. Just wasn’t clear what you were asking. Marinaro is a radio host here in Montreal on Team990.

  168. samTHEman says:

    Agree 100% these should be the lines but JM seems to have a different idea in mind…hmm

  169. Ian Cobb says:

    I would be very honored to pull the switch or put a noose around his neck. As a street kid, I met up with a few of his kind.

    Sex offender Graham James free on bail

  170. andrewberkshire says:

    Just once I’d like to come onto HIO and not see the constant pissing match between the Gomez apologists and the Gomez haters. He’s a good player, which is undeniable, and he’s underperforming, also undeniable. The **** measuring contest isn’t going anywhere.

  171. HardHabits says:

    Hey I can make and/or take a joke:

    —————————–

    - Referees often question him, just because they can’t believe he’s making all that coin.
    - If he were to mail it in, he would still get paid.
    - He once landed a punched an opponent. That’s right, you heard me.
    - His hands feel like rich, brown stone.
    - He owns 4 sports cars, and rents them to Habs who make the league minimum.
    - He speaks fluent French, in Alaskan.
    - Even his enemy’s list him as a friend when he plays.
    - His business card simply says “Just mail me the check”
    - He’s a set-up man… Not a goal scorer, but he’s doesn’t really get assists, so don’t get your hopes up.

    “I don’t always score points, but when I do, I prefer to call them flukey.”
    “Stay pointless, my friends.”

    He’s the most Expensive Hab in the World

    —————————————

    Some folks like to make a play
    Skate the puck away like a D man should
    Hop it right to where its out of reach
    Or make a pass no good
    But I’m skating around
    On my own blue Line
    I’m in a New York state of mind

    I’m not like other hockey stars
    they’re trying hard and I’m so routine
    I’m high in hockey’s terms under defensive schemes
    So what if I’m not competing
    And skate around and waste more time
    I’m in a New York state of mind

    ——————————-

    Regardless, I will continue to defend Gomez until he actually does start sucking over a very long period of time and that point if I determine that his presence is a detriment to the team I will voice my opinion, should it occur. For the time being I think people who devalue Gomez and focus on his points production versus cap hit are very much in the wrong.

  172. Say Ash says:

    Want numbers? 0-2 without Gomez.

  173. Tremblant Habs Fan says:

    Why are we stuck with him in Montreal? Isn’t he from Ontario or Manitoba?

  174. andrewberkshire says:

    Actually Boyd was pretty terrible to start the season. The organization obviously thought he would be a lot better and Darche wouldn’t be this good.

  175. habsfan_61 says:

    100% agreement over here. he must have pics of someone because i cant see why he still has a job. if he replaces melnick i just turn off the radio. love tman though and wish he would take tm’s place

  176. avatar_58 says:

    Halpern pretty much proved he’s not a 2nd line center in the last few games

  177. LA Loyalist says:

    Sample size too small to be statistically valid. Talk to us in 10 games w/o G-mo. (8 more games)

  178. HardHabits says:

    Halpern is a great addition, for a 3rd line or 4th line centre. What he isn’t is a 1st or 2nd line centre.

    He has those points largely due to the fact that he plays against the opponent’s weaker lines. Once Gomez was out we saw Halpern’s production plummet because he isn’t as gifted as Gomez.

    So yes Halpern is a great value, a utility player and he’s paid accordingly.

    Your low hockey IQ is once more at play here.

    The team can afford to lose Halpern because he can be replaced from the farm. It can’t afford to lose Gomez.

    Here are some more numbers for you to crunch:

    Saku Koivu (2.5 million)     GP32     G10     A6     PTS16     -5

    Jeff Halpern (600 thousand)     GP30     G6     A10     PTS16     11

    So yes, Halpern is a much better value than Saku Koivu.

  179. LA Loyalist says:

    Ian you scared me. You should have put the Graham James header first. I thought you meant the Scott Gomez fan club :)

     

  180. HardHabits says:

    Gomez missed 4 games last season. The Habs lost 3.

    So it’s 1-5-0 without Gomez.

  181. Storm Man says:

    I would win…. Good post bud don’t forget this is HIO sometimes a few on here are on some good meds.

  182. Storm Man says:

    When is the road trip to Montreal???

  183. HardHabits says:

    Andrew. He’s not under-performing. He’s playing a solid two-way game. He hasn’t been getting points and is having his worse start in that regards since he entered the league. He’s very much contributing to the team’s win column.

  184. Mr.Bell says:

    With the addition of Pacioretty it would be nice to see an actual top six bottom six.

    pacioretty – gomez – gionta

    cammalleri – pleks – ak46

    darche – eller – pouliot

    lapps – halpern – moen

    however martin still has moen up with cammalleri and pleks.  It just seems like this move limits the potential of the line when moen should be sent down and play the checking role that we signed him on for.  Just confused with the current lineup we might see against philly and i do not want to see a potential 4 game losing streak. fingers crossed this team can bring back up the intensity for crucial back to backs.

    Once a Habs fan Always a Habs fan! GO HABS GO!

  185. HardHabits says:

    Ian’s in the Scott Gomez fan club. He’s our leader.

  186. mike g says:

    Anyone else happy we never kept Dan Ellis?….

    When we traded for him, and then lost him a day later to free agency, we were all dissapointed. We all agreed he had great stats in NSH, and said he wouldve been the perfect backup for Price, especially incase CP would have faltered this year.
    Now, 2 short months later, Ellis IMO is considered among the biggest dorks in the NHL.
    He had to enter Twitter rehab and stop posting his dumbo comments, because he would write about everything and everything, including how hard it is to manage his finances based on an NHL SALARY!
    And now, hes bashing Linus Omark for scoring a beautiful goal on him in a shootout. Ellis cried about how the young rookie, playing in his 1st career NHL game, showed no respect to the league by pulling a move like that and made a joke of the shootout itself ( which imo is already a joke itself).

    All I see here is a very immature athelete, who doesnt know how to manage his own head. Theres nothing professional about this guy, and I have to say that today, Im really glad we didnt sign this guy. He seems like the type of teammate who blames others instead of himself, and just doesnt know how to manage touchy situations with the media. His career in mtl would have probably been remebered for his media blunders of those exact same situations took place here.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  187. The M says:

    great lines!

    and agreed put Moen in the bottom six…

  188. Mark C says:

    Not sure Dan Ellis and his .876 SV% this year is above Auld at all.

  189. Hagar says:

    I for one would’ve welcomed Ellis, twitter comments & all. He would’ve been a solid backup & a nice reminder that at least we got something in the Sergei trade.

  190. SeriousFan09 says:

    Regarding Sergei: Losing dead weight makes a ship sail smoother.

    That and Ellis is having trouble keeping out beachballs in TBL, nevermind that Stevie Y was a genius for signing him.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  191. HardHabits says:

    To be fair to Ellis his numbers would look a lot better if he played for a team that played defense. I don’t think those numbers are an indication of his play as much as they are an indication of just how bad the Bolts are at defending.

  192. Psycho29 says:

    Funny…we got closer to the Cup last season WITH Gomez in the lineup then we had since 1993.

    How did we do in the Koivu years???? No Conference Finals…

  193. Ian Cobb says:

    A friend of mine has gone to Trinidad for two months and has given me his house to use in Brossard. So Andree and I are heading there to play in Mtl. for a couple weeks. Habschick has made a pair of her season tickets available for us. January 12th.

    We will be there around that date. Trying to get to more games while we are there. And we are hoping to hook up with as many of you as possible.

  194. GrimJim says:

    Well Andrew this year it’s Gomez-A vs Gomez-H (which sounds like flu strains)…

    Last year it was Halakites vs Pricebots (which sounds like a Saturday morning cartoon)…

    The year before it was Assistant Captain K vs Captain K (which sounds like a pirate movie) [or Ko-V vs Ko-Vu which sounds like duelling vitamins]…

    The point is, every year there has to be a RAGIN’ CONTROVERSY(tm), usually surrounded by several Ongoing Controversies and some Minor Controversies. Otherwise what’s a Habs Fanbase to do with its time?

  195. Mark C says:

    Stevie Y’s two goalies have the worst SV%’s among qualified goalies. You’d think the great GM in the world would have fixed this issue before now.

  196. thorandresson says:

    I take it you didn’t see the goal Ballard scored on him Saturday against the Canucks, it was pathetic

  197. LA Loyalist says:

    That’s pretty funny, actually. 

  198. Bugs says:

    No, it’s the goalies. Tampa’s D is 2nd in the League for fewest number of shots allowed.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  199. HardHabits says:

    Rejean Houle? Yvon Lambert? Ryan Walter? Kirk Muller?

    People who think Koivu’s owns 11 are very wrong. No way Koivu gets his number retired here in Montreal.

    They don’t really hang conference titles in this rink. Nor do they raise the number of a player who never won the Cup.

    If they allowed Gomez to wear number 11 it is as clear an indication as any that the Koivu era is history. Just like Halak as a Hab is history.

    You truly are the Evercrapping1

  200. geo_habsgo says:

    I posted the same line combinations bellow. I think that these are the only logical lines if the team is healthy and want to continue playing dominant, fast paced hockey. This lineup boasts a lot of speed and talent in the top 6 that can score against any defence in the league while the third line is hardworking and dangerously creative because of eller’s playmaking, pouliot’s ability to pop it in and darche being an all around workhorse. The bottom three have speed, smarts, and toughness in lapierre, halpern, and moen and that combination be really create some energy and open up the ice. I think we need to give JM some slack I am confident that with Max Pac in the linueup he is going to go ahead with these combinations. It is our best chance at having four solid lines and I’d say we have loads of depth and are all around dangerous with this lineup!

  201. geo_habsgo says:

    Great post. So true. Never thought about it before. lol

  202. Everlasting1 says:

    They would have been better off re-signing the original #11 than this impostor.

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  203. Bill says:

    In an attempt at`reasonable conversation, I have to ask how you can just pretend that his usefulness vs. his cap-hit is not a really important matter? If there were no cap, his salary would be irrelevant, sure … but there IS a salary cap, and his monster hit prevents the Habs from signing or otherwise acquiring another player who might contribute more.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  204. LA Loyalist says:

    Well, I’m happy to have my hockey IQ measured in April when we lose a playoff round because we are too small, too soft and unbalanced as a team.

    Enjoy how smart you are — while it lasts. You probably voted for Obama, too. :)

     

  205. habs365 says:

    still not a second line center…3rd at best…check the second line centers around the league and see how they contribute in points compared to Gomez…he maybe fast moving the puck up the center…and backchecking…that’s all I’ll give him credit for…if you think that’s all a team wants from a $8,000,000 player…hope you never become the Habs GM……

  206. SeriousFan09 says:

    Damn that Guy Boucher, first he ruins the Q by playing defence now he won’t do it at all in the NHL ;)

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  207. Jordio-oh says:

    Great point. Worst team save % in the league too.

  208. GrimJim says:

    The best part is after Ryan scores, he taunts Koivu by showing him who’s stick he’s using…

    What would you be if you were attached to another object by an incline-plan wrapped helically around an axis?

  209. SeriousFan09 says:

    If HH lived in the US, I’m sure he’d take Obama over a guy who might keel over dead and leave the village idiot of Alaska in charge of the United States of America and a nuclear arsenal.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  210. HardHabits says:

    That’s if your Ducks make it to the playoffs.

    I am Canadian so I don’t vote in the US elections, mind you I supported Obama over Hillary, mainly because at the time I though he was a visionary, however if I could vote I would’ve cast my support behind Ron Paul.

  211. Habhopeful says:

    LMAO @ He’s “The most expensive Hab in the World”

     

    “I went to see a fight the other night…And A hockey game broke out!” ~Rodney Dangerfield~

  212. LA Loyalist says:

    That’s actually pretty interesting, as RP is a pretty dramatic Libertarian whereas Hillary and Obama think the government is smarter than everyone else.

    Trying to leave the personalities out of it, how do you explain your shift? I’m sincerely interested.

  213. LA Loyalist says:

    I’m not a fan of either Caribou Barbie or John McCain.

    The funniest would have been a Leadership convention (Canadian style) between Dick Cheney and John McCain, both of them at the debate dropping to do pushups – the one that doesn’t die wins :)

  214. andrewberkshire says:

    HH, come on. You know he’s underperforming offensively and defensively. Gomez has said so himself. It’s very easy to see. Even the numbers that people like MathMan and Chris Boyle on HabsEOTP trot out to defend Gomez like Corsi and Fenwick show that he’s at career lows. Plekanec is playing a solid two-way game, Gomez is not. Does he contribute to the team? Of course he does. But he’s underperforming, and you denying it is exactly why people like me get so annoyed with the Gomez apologists. There’s absolutely no statistic that supports the idea that Gomez isn’t under-performing, and what we see with our eyes tells the same story.

  215. Hagar says:

    Ellis (20 GP) is a backup & not a starter. I would’ve taken his numbers before this year and current cap hit gladly (I’m aware we were tight against the cap). That said, I’d like to use this sentence to once again state that Auld in his 3 games played for us this season has been good.

  216. andrewberkshire says:

    Well soon Gomez is going to have to move over for the inevitable Subbanites vs Weberians.

  217. HardHabits says:

    My humble apologies for making that claim as I haven’t been watching TBL games and assumed that the goals against were due to shoddy defense. Mind you what percentage of those shots were quality scoring chances?

  218. Everlasting1 says:

    Obama a visionary? More like a lying charlatan. Ron Paul would have been assassinated anyways.

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  219. Say Ash says:

    Those HNIC commentators were tearing Ellis in new one on Saturday. They just couldn’t stop.

  220. StevieRay says:

    real experts ..them  duds !

  221. HardHabits says:

    Good ole demigod, always the Evercrapping1!!

    I said at the time I though(t) he was a visionary. That means I don’t think he’s one now.

  222. HardHabits says:

    I’ll concede that, he himself did say he was cheating. Nevertheless, he can still finish the season with 15 goals and 45 assists, if he starts picking it up, and has two solid wingers, something he hasn’t had on a regular basis. I still look to the San Jose game as a game where with Pyatt and Laps he made a huge impact on the game.

    If he sucks come playoff time I will join the chorus of Gomez bashers. Until then I am tired of hearing how little he is scoring versus how much he is making.

    The bottom line is even as unproductive he is, he is still ahead of Eller and Halpern on the Habs depth chart and they need him healthy as well as productive.

  223. Everlasting1 says:

    You along with the rest of the sheeple. Did you even know Ron Paul existed before ’08? My guess, no. Mass media quelled his chances.

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  224. andrewberkshire says:

    I disagree with none of this. My point was that so far he has been underperforming, not that this would continue.

  225. HardHabits says:

    Newsflash. It was Bob Gainey who brought him in and PG is the GM who’s keeping him. BTW his cap hit is under 7.4 million.

    Here’s Gomez’ cap hit:

    Gomez, Scott 7.357

    Now the next 3 highest paid forwards:

    Cammalleri, Mike 6.000  
    Gionta, Brian 5.000  
    Plekanec, Tomas 5.000

    Gomez is easily worth between 5 and 6 million and he is a top 6 forward. He also is a 2nd line center. Spare me the fan angst.

    It’s more like what fans want from a $8,000,000 player…hope you start becoming a Habs fan….

     

  226. HardHabits says:

    What about Hamrlik’s cap hit?

    Were the Habs able to sign Plex, Cammy and Gio?

    Bill, you’re one of the better posters here so I am going to engage you in conversation.

    The Habs have been weak at centre since they last won a Cup. The best centre they had was Saku and he was never a #1.

    BG decided to not just rebuild the team, but also it’s character and the dressing room dynamic. In view of the weakness at center (2003 draft anyone?) and that the team is in a rebuild he had few options. Sather was willing to salary dump and BG decided that Gomez was the nexus upon which the new team would proceed. Do you think that BG doesn’t have number crunchers calculating costs?

    Gomez’ contract ends in 2013/2014. Until then he and Plex will carry the load while Eller steps up and Bournival and Leblanc slowly move in. In the meantime Gomez is there as the team guy playing whatever role is asked of him.

    So the Habs missed out on Gaborik and Kovulchuck. Thankfully!!!!

  227. HardHabits says:

    Ever since I first heard Paul’s views I was intrigued. I also used to like McCain back in the 90’s and was very upset when he lost the Republican nomination to Bush.

    I just thought that Paul’s political solutions would have done a lot to stymie corruption in the banking world as well as return the USA to it’s more nobler roots.

    Obama has been a major disappointment but he was handed a sinking ship. It’s a surprise he’s been able to keep it afloat this long.

     

  228. SeriousFan09 says:

    If you’re rarely in a fight, you won’t be very good at them.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  229. Storm Man says:

    Hmmmmm I know guys that fight almost every weekend and get owned.

  230. crabvader says:

    That is completely untrue. Crosby doesn’t fight often but holds his own and actually does a pretty good job.

    Besides, I’ve seen guys who don’t fight often beat the living hell out of veterans in the dept. while I was growing up. My point is that Ovechkin is intense, hits hard as a truck and can’t throw a decent punch. If it were someone like Paul Kariya fighting, then I would understand.

  231. crabvader says:

    Jody Shelley and Tom Kostopoulos are the ones that come to mind for me, lol. Poor Tom, gotta love him.

  232. Storm Man says:

    Very good players to point out on this topic…..

  233. SeriousFan09 says:

    He probably doesn’t know how to scrap in hockey, how often do you think Ovechkin dropped the gloves when he was playing in the Russian hockey programs? This is his 6th professional season in the NHL and this was what, his first fight? If you’ve almost never been in a fight chances are you won’t do very well, especially since fighting in hockey is not exactly the same as just a regular fight.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  234. SeriousFan09 says:

    It is true some NHL players who fight are no more talented at it than they are scoring goals (or less so in Tom the Bomb’s case) but I wasn’t exactly expecting an Evander Kane knockout punch from Ovie in his first fight. What did we expect was going to happen? An orbital bone dislodged with the first blow?

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  235. Storm Man says:

    Well it is not like OV was fighting Evander was he? acting tough and been tough is something OV needs to think about.

  236. SeriousFan09 says:

    Dubinsky’s not a slouch, he has 17 fights since he entered the league in 07-08. Ovechkin is a tough enough player, but with almost no experience fighting on the ice and being such a vital member of the Capitals, he’s better off playing his game, something he’s really not been doing this season.

    As funny as it was seeing Pavel Datsyuk scrap with Corey Perry and get the takdown on that punk, it would’ve been terrible if he’d broken his hand and missed a month. Rather see the guys who can lift you out of their seats on their rushes stick to what they do best. Drives me nuts when a skill player fights.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  237. avatar_58 says:

    He’s the captain, he was just making a statement to get his team going. Unfortunately for him it didn’t work and he could have caused himself harm

  238. Hagar says:

    If I was gonna blame Koivu, I’d blame Koivu. Management might have sucked & they might even be the ones most responsible for our cup drought. But to say that Saku Koivu’s achievements fell short because of management would be a GROSS distortion. Koivu was what he was because that’s how he was, & he fell a ways short of being great. If the dude ever gets his jersey retired, I’m gonna start cheering for the Red Wings. You want me to go to work & compile you a list of players that’ve been great while playing for terrible teams? Please don’t bother sending other posters my way if you don’t wanna defend him yourself. Epic fail on your part LAL. I expected more.

  239. notbigbird says:

    Is the Red Wing thing a promise?

  240. Hagar says:

    I swear on the life of my first-born child.

  241. Hagar says:

    You’re thanking him for a reasoned, logical argument? I’m still waiting for you to present one in defence of your love for Saku Koivu, lol.

  242. LA Loyalist says:

    I’ll defer that to Serious or some of the other posters if you want or need an explanation.

    If you want to blame Koivu for bad management here for many years than that’s your privilege, I guess.

    I think of him (exaggerated to make the point of course) like Hector against Achilles in the Illiad. Who is really more heroic? Achilles, protected by the Gods, or Hector, who is simply human? 

    Actually, I’ll defer to the crowd on January 22nd, 2011 at the Bell Center to present my argument as to what Saku Koivu means to many Montreal fans.

    I hope you have the opportunity to witness it.

     

     

  243. DearyLeary says:

    I always knew Pyatt would be a #1 center in this league. 

  244. SmartDog says:

    Good one.

    Poor guy… he shoudl take shooting practice. He seems to know where to be and how to stir up some action but HANDS OF STONE.

    ——-

  245. TomNickle says:

    The worst play caller in the NFL happened.  Third and 1 from the Detroit 30 trailing by four with two timeouts, throw it deep, fourth and one from the detroit 30 down by four, throw it deep.

    McCarthy says post-game that he let Flynn call the final two offensive plays from the huddle and that it was a mistake to let him do so….uh…..ya think?

    Sneak?  Bootleg?  Kuhn up the middle?

    It’s a damn shame that my favourite team can’t afford to buy out the final years of that coach’s contract because, like San Diego, there’s too much talent and character on both rosters for those teams to be underachieving, regardless of injuries.

    San Diego and Green Bay are the two deepest teams in the league that can’t overcome poor coaching.

  246. Storm Man says:

    Tom I must say I hear the pain you have. I was rolling on the floor lol when I saw that play call, I could have ran in and got the first down. As for my Chargers it is up to them to win the AFC west now and run the table 3-0 should do the trick.

  247. John Cobb JR says:

    At least your team still has a shot at the playoffs. My Cowboys are going to be watching from Jerry Jone’s press box how upsetting

  248. TomNickle says:

    The Cowboys need to overcome their own egos, not the stupidity of their coach, even their former one.

    The only stupid move that coaching staff made was keeping Tashard Choice on the bench for the majority of the year.

    If you don’t have NFL safeties or tackles, you can’t win, and they don’t have those things, it was never about Phillips.

  249. TomNickle says:

    The sad thing is that the Bears will very likely lose their next three games and give Green Bay the division, which will surely get my hopes up only to have them crushed when New Orleans comes to Lambeau in the divisional round and absolutely kill them.

    Watching the HBO documentary on Vince Lombardi last night had me depressed at the sad state of the Packers coaching.

     

  250. samTHEman says:

    But ofcourse these won`t be the lines because they actually make SENSE. I speak for everyone when I say I am sick of seeing Moen on the top 2 lines. I love him and all, but he deserves a checking role.

    I agree with your lines except if Gomez isn`t ready then Pyatt centering the 4th since Boyd is on waivers.

     

  251. Matt_in_TO says:

    I’ll admit I’ve got zero coaching experience but WTF is up with those line combination?  I seriously hope we’re not going to see those on Wednesday.  I’d like to see the following:

    13 – 14 – 46 (This worked all last year and it’ll get Cammy going)

    67 – 11 – 21

    57 – 81 – 52

    40 – 15 – 32

    If Gomez can’t go, move Eller up and reunite the PhD line and have Boyd on the 4th line.

     

     

    - In Price We Trust

  252. mdl says:

    Like your lines better than JM’s!

  253. Jonson says:

    lines that make sense. id like to see Eller playing as the second center full time though. with pouliot by his side. i didnt see the need to call up patches. i would have rather seen him complete the year in hamilton

  254. gumper says:

    Hold on. This type of thinking is enough to give reason a good name!

  255. SmartDog says:

    I’m REALLY confused.

    1. Is the Gomez line a top line? 

    2. So Gomez is not on his line and Kostitsyn isn’t either and it’s still the same line?

    3. Who’s Tom?

    ——-

  256. TripleX says:

    Only in the bizzaro world of JM is Pyatt a top six forward with 2 points and a minus 4.

    1.  no line with Gomez will ever be a top line.

    2.  look for Maxpac on the fourth line as a checker.

    3.  ?

    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  257. John Cobb JR says:

    Oui. Sad to say but so true. We need the good ole rush to the blue line and dump it in play by Gomez

  258. BC HAB says:

    These line combos are terrible. Moen and pyatt have no business being on the top two lines. No disrespect to them but they are 3rd ant 4th liners. Kostytsin needs to be on one of the top two lines. I never thought I’d say this but we need Gomez back.

  259. TripleX says:

    The only offense the Habs had against Toronto was the reunited AK-Pleks-Cammi line.  For the first time in a while Cammi looked motivated and dangerous.  If JM does not keep this line together he is more stubborn and clueless than even I thought possible.

    Will be very interesting if he uses Maxpac how he should be used, or if he insists on making Moen a top six forward.

     

    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  260. punkster says:

    Your incessant bashing of and negativity towards the Habs coach suggests you may have missed most of the games this season. You may want to brush up on your hockey knowledge and watch a few games now that you’re on Xmas break.

  261. joeybarrie says:

    Kind of funny to me someone who says a coach, who is so far a leading candidate for the Jack Adams, is stubborn and clueless.

    EVEN DUMBER is someone who says the only coach to have success in 16 years is not a good coach.

    Honestly, the ONLY measure to some people is goals, saves and a cup. If your not in the top, then I guess your not very good.

    Try to remember Ray Bourque had to leave Boston to win a cup. So I guess he wasnt a top defenceman in Boston…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  262. scrowe21 says:

    so does this mean Moen is playing with Plekanec and Cammy? WTF..

  263. samTHEman says:

    Now that I think of it JM isn`t that far off the lines that most of us at HIO are craving to see. By that I mean

    AK-Plek-Cam

    Pac-Gom-Gio

    Pou-Eller-Darche

    Laps/Pyatt-Halp-Moen

     

    Right now Pyatt is  with Pac-Gio on 2nd line for practice only because Gomez is injured. The next change is Moen for AK who has been demoted to the 4th.

    I was at practice this morning and Andrei was playing an angry style giving little shoves in the back. I don`t know if he usually does this but it seemed unnecessary and other players weren`t doing it at all. Obviously you`re upset when you get demoted from the 1st line to 4th line.

  264. Just A Guy says:

    What to do with Moen… I love the lines as is, we knew there was a hole in the top 2 lines, but now that its temporarily filled…

     

    Pyatt sits since he is the youngest? a Lapierre/Halpern combo on the PK doesn’t sound so terrible.

  265. Jonson says:

    i didnt see the need to call up patches. second line could have have been pouliot ellar and cammy and keep gionta with pleks and ak.

  266. HardHabits says:

    You see Rob, this is where you’re allowing your Gomez bias to cloud your judgment. Desharnais is not a top 6 forward in the NHL, yet, at least not on the Habs. Like OB who plays top minutes with Colorado he’s off the depth chart here.

    No way would I’d rather DD, as much as I like him and feel he has an eventual future in this league, over Gomez at any cost.

  267. savethepuck says:

    Agreed totally

  268. SmartDog says:

    Well Hell I’d rather have Desharnais in there at $1 million/year. But we have Gomez and he FINALLY was putting up points so 2nd line is the best place for him unless he nosedives again at least.

     

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  269. avatar_58 says:

    My point is people are condemning Pyatt for being a minus and yet he is not on a scoring line. Case closed. How can he ever be a plus if goals are not scored by that line? It’s impossible. Thus when they get scored on during the PK or when the 4th line is out suddenly he’s terrible?

  270. avatar_58 says:

    That’s what I’m saying. If say – Plekanec was a minus – THEN you have to start shaking your head. Offensive top 6 players should always be plus players, as they need to be scoring regularly. However how anyone expects the bottom 6 and penalty killing defenceman to be pluses is beyond me.

    So if Pyatt forgets to line change a few times and is out there for Cammalleri’s goals, suddenly he’s better? I think not.

  271. HabFanSince72 says:

    By definition, any line Pyatt is on is not a scoring line.

  272. HabFanSince72 says:

    So if Pyatt forgets to line change a few times and is out there for Cammalleri’s goals, suddenly he’s better? I think not.

    Agreed, av58. If Pyatt forgets to change line and is out there for Cammalleri’s goals it doesn’t make him better.

    Very true.

     

  273. crabvader says:

    Yeah but Sergei Gonchar is like -16. At some point it does have to matter.

    I do agree that it doesn’t tell the whole story though. Moen is usually on a line that is supposed to prevent goals and that doesn’t generate much offense. How is he supposed to be this huge plus player? He is rarely on the ice when a goal is scored and that is not his fault. Yes, he is much more defensively sound than AK46 (who is on a scoring line) is.

    Mike Green was only a huge plus player last year because he and his forwards generated tons of offense throughout the year. I still think he is a sub-par defenceman in his own end.

  274. HabFanSince72 says:

    Let’s say in his first game Pacioretty scores on his own net
    (pretend) – how is that Gomez, Gionta, or the D-men’s fault? Yet a minus
    it is.

    But then the goal would count for the last opponent who touched the puck. You should also ignore goals scored in that case.

    Also, two players would get assists – ignore assists and points too.

    Finally, Auld would get a goal against that he cannot possibly have been expecting. Must also ignore save percentage and goals against.

    In fact if players often scored in their own goal you’d have to pretty much throw out every statistic including wins, points, Stanley Cups.

     

  275. SmartDog says:

    Wow HF72.  Normally you’re a pretty wise veteran.  Because of that I’m surprised at the rookie mistakes in this post.

    First off, the first rule is you cannot use NUMBERS to make Gomez look bad.  Actual numbers whether points or dollars or plus-minus, don’t take into account his veteran yadda yadda, his mojo voodoo blue line something or others, and especially his speed at scurrying into the corners and behind the net.  The second rule is that Pyatt is exempt from any crtiicism because he has the most time on the PK.  Period. Point finale.  Or to quote Elvis (the British one): “dont say a word, don’t say anything, don’t say a word, we’re not even listenin'”.  Whether Tom “golem” Pyatt is the reason why our PK is so good, or whether Gorges and Gill and Price (and coaching) also have anything to do with or not, Pyatt is golden, established by NUMBERS to be so and so exempt from other numbers or comparisons with other numbers and such and like and so forth.

    And the third rule… biggest mistake of all: too many facts in one post.  Not only that but your facts are ACTUALLY RELATED.  If HIO were a hockey game, you’d be serving 5 minutes in the box for Juxtaposition of Facts. Might even be a game misconduct.  Tweet!  See -there’s the whistle now.  Dang!

    ——-

  276. HabFanSince72 says:

    Bearing in mind that stats don’t tell the whole story, here are some interesting +/- on the Habs (along with their rank in the team):

    1. Halpern +11

    2. AK46 +9

    4. Darche +8

    13. Moen +2

    16. Gomez -2 (only Lapierre and Pyatt are worse, at -4, among regular forwards)

    18. Pyatt -4

    —-

    So three arguments that I myself would have fallen for are out the window:

    1) Moen is playing with Pleks and Cammy because he’s more defensively responsible than Kostitsyn.

    2) Gomez may not score much but at least he’s sound defensively (he’s an ex Devil after all).

    3) Pyatt is still playing because of his defensive play.

  277. avatar_58 says:

    You know why +/- is a useless stat? If someone shoots from the blueline and Auld lets it in everyone on the ice gets a minus. Let’s say in his first game Pacioretty scores on his own net (pretend) – how is that Gomez, Gionta, or the D-men’s fault? Yet a minus it is.

    Personally I ignore that stat

  278. andrewberkshire says:

    Pyatt is playing because of his penalty killing, not his even strength play.

  279. Mark C says:

    Not quite so fast. First, plus/minus is a goal differential stat, the defensive part of the equation only accounts for 50% of the total number.

    1 )Moen has been on the ice for less goals than AK46, it’s goals for which are responsible for AK46 great +/-, AK46 has been on the ice for 9 more ES goals than Moen.

    2) Gomez has been on the ice for 90 minutes more than Halpern, yet Gomez has only been on the ice for one more goal allowed (13-12).  Halpern has been on the ice for more ES goals for than Gomez. ES goals for is the reason Halpern has a better +/-, and not his defense.

    3) Pyatt plays for his PK ability. Leading forward in PK time, team leads the league in PK etc. Pyatt’s +/- is weak because he’s only been on the ice for 3 goals.  

     

  280. shiram says:

    I read somewhere Gomez was injured on his tibia??

    Anyways, Spacek gone as well, and no news on him as of now. Thats 2 of our top players right there missing.
    I’m glad the kids are doing great on D, Weber and Picard, and Subban will bounce back too.

    And I’m glad to see MaxPac get a solid chance on a top line, too bad he won’t get a top line center with him though.

    edit : Gorges with another therapy day, he is getting them much too often for something minor going on.

  281. SeriousFan09 says:

    Boyd waived once more.

    There a record for a number of times a player is waived in a season? Boyd might make NHL history in some way if that happens.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  282. bwoar says:

    Message to Kostitsyn: play harder, you aren’t worth 3.25M yet buddy.

    I’m sure next game you’ll see:

    46-14-13

    67-11-21

    57-81-52

    32-15-40

    If by some small miracle lines 1 and 2 finally start firing altogether, we’ll be very tough to beat even with Auld and his cobwebs in nets.

  283. patience is a virtue says:

    but isn’t it OK if AK is a bit inconsistent?  he’ll still rack up 50+ points and be a genuine top six power forward, but we’ll be able to afford to keep him :)

    if he kept up his early season pace and ended up with 70 points, we might lose him…

     

  284. observer says:

    They order Homolka did live in Montreal now they do it again for this one – unreal! – – – http://www.tsn.ca/other_sports/story/?id=345351

  285. Thenumber11 says:

    So assuming Gomez can’t go Wednesday, we look like what?

    Cammi-Plek-AK

    Pac-Eller-Gionta

    Pouliot-Halpern-Darche

    Moen-Lappiere-Pyatt

     

    I wouldn’t mind giving Eller the shot at 2nd line minutes if Gomez can’t go; it’s not like the third line would be a bunch of slouches in that situation anyways.

  286. oshawahabsfan says:

    AK’s got to be with Pleks ans Cammalleri. This was just practice however, they could all change by Wednesday

  287. joeybarrie says:

    Its funny to me people still dont see what Gomez does. Just so you know, Gomez was tied in ice time with Pleks last season and was on the ice as the number one 5 on 5 center. Gomez was the number 1 center with the NYR. Gomez was the number one center with the NJD. Gomez lead his team to 23 round in the playoffs in the last 10 years and to 10 round in the last 5 years. Since Gomez left the Rangers they have NOT made the playoffs. Since leaving the Devils, they have lost to a SCOTT GOMEZ LEAD Ney York Rangers in the first round, and have only won 5 post season games…

    ALSO think about this, since Gomez was lost this season we lost BOTH GAMES. Gomez had points in almost every single win we had in the playoffs last season and has missed the playoffs ONCE in his entire career…

    Lastly, WITH Scott Gomez this team has had the most success since 1993… BUT I GUESS ALL THIS IS SIMPLY COINCIDENCE….

    HOW MUCH MORE do people need to see to understand Gomez is a great player. Do you ONLY see goals? Thank God the guys running our team see how valuable Scott Gomez is…

    Also as I have posted before. His stats are strikingly similar to Kirk Muller’s…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  288. Lazarus_taxa says:

    Can’t you read? Tom is there for PRACTICE.  JM lives in the real world of coaching hockey at the NHL level.  YOU live in the bizzaro world of uninformed second guessing on an internet forum with your toddler buddy Smartstuff.  Today were bashing JM, Pyatt and Gomez, who wasn’t even on the ice.  Good work guys!  Keep it up!

  289. punkster says:

    Practice lines. The key word there is “practice”.

  290. Lazarus_taxa says:

    Well said Joey!  I would like to see any Gomez basher try to come up with a response to that!  He also is rarely injured….

  291. joeybarrie says:

    OH YEAH, I forgot to mention that last season when the fans were cheering and calling for number 25 in 19 playoff games, SCOTT GOMEZ was the number one center… So what does that say about your “no line with Gomez will ever be a top line”??? I didn’t see alot of complaining when we BEAT the Caps and the current NHL league leaders (pitts) then, when Gomez was our NUMBER ONE CENTER……

    But I guess its only me who sees a winner. How many times am I gonna hear about JM not winning the Cup and not being a good coach because of it, yet a guy who wins 2 Stanley Cups sucks??? Talk about dumb.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  292. joeybarrie says:

    Missed less games in 11 years than Markov did last season… Nothing against Markov.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  293. shiram says:

    For all of his struggling to start up this season, Gomez is definately a top line center, and he’s one of the only 2 top line centers we do have in the team.
    I hope he will be back on wednesday.

  294. Habsrule1 says:

    Excellent post. This is pretty much what I’ve been trying to say, but not doing nearly as good a job.

    Thanks jb :-)

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  295. Max_a_million says:

    No line seems too strong …

    How about Gomez, Ovechkin, Gaborik … I think that would be a top line.  What about Gomes, Sedin 1, Sedin 2?

    Gomez, Stamkos, and St. Louis … Gomez, Crosby, and a carp from the fish that took Pittsburgh movie???

  296. joeybarrie says:

    I have been defending Gomez till I am blue in the… Hands (fingers)????

    Anyways, FINALLY today I came out with a post that says it all. I am cutting and saving it for future use. For all the stats I have looked up in almost 2 years, I should write a BOOK about Gomez.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  297. joeybarrie says:

    Don’t bother… At least Jack Todd can back up his useless nonsensical rantings with some sort of reason. Whether it be good or bad, flawed or not…

    Haven’t heard anything back. Its typical of most bashers to simply write something and move on cause they cant back up the bashing with any kind of sense…

    Its too bad some don’t really understand hockey…

    (by the way, Triple X usually backs up his posts, in my experience anyways, so i am trying to goad him into a response)…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  298. Kappy says:

    Thanks Joey, and this season the Habs are 0-2 without Scott Gomez.

  299. HabFanSince72 says:

    Only in the bizzaro world of JM is Pyatt a top six forward

    Read the story again doofus. What does it say about Pyatt?

     

  300. shootdapuck says:

    Ever consider that this call-up is more to do with a showcase than anything else?

    Maybe there is something cooking in the background and someone else wants(maybe even Gaotier) to see Pacioretti play against NHL competition before making a move!

    It will be interesting to know what scouts are in the Bell Center this week and particularly which ones are from the West!

    Stranger things have and will continue to happen.

     

    “The three stars as selected by Red Fisher of the Montreal Star:
    1st star: Henri Richard
    2nd Star: Doug Harvey
    3rd Star: Jacques Plante

    Final score Detroit Red Wings 5 Montreal Canadiens 3″

  301. Jonson says:

    i believe this is a mistake, should have left in the ahl and let him get 80 -90 points. it would have done wonders for his confindence and ability coming into next year. there is no doubt that this guy is good, they just better give him the same kinda minutes they did in hamilton. If not, it will be the same old story. If it wasnt JM coaching than i wouldnt be so worried. Lets hope for the best……….by the way no one is going to get gomez going besides himself. If gionta and cammy cant do it than who can?

    So AK46 being demoted it looks like…….is he the only player who isnt allowed to struggle without be demoted??? he hasnt been scoring but his game still looks pretty good. Leave it to JM to break his confidence again. Isnt that JM best asset as a coach?

     

     

  302. Storm Man says:

    You’re asking alot out of him. As you can see he only talks junk when then Habs lose.  

  303. punkster says:

    Damn, I’m such an ass sometimes. I gotta keep my head focused on things that matter and not children running with scissors. I’m chomping at the bit here. Tons of snow last week turn to slushy rain overnight and now back to freezing and snow on thew way. Jay? Sutton? Sauveur? Which will be first? Oh, decisions, decisions.

  304. Storm Man says:

    I hope you get some boarding in this week. I use to point things out with triple but for the most part it goes way about his head(my guess he is a little short on somethings).

  305. punkster says:

    Ski, my friend. Not good enough to even think about a board.

  306. mbplekfan says:

    JM went to Hamilton to watch Sunday’s game. We can assume that he was there to scout Max and decide if he was ready.

    The question has always been whether the great play of Desharnais was making Pacioretty look good or if he was doing the right things and succeeding on his own. JM seems confident that MP is ready for the bigtime.

    Max is big at 6’2 and carries some weight. We are short of big forwards who can score. If he can get to the same areas of the ice and play physical then Gomez will get him the puck. Goals will come in time.

    I dont think JM would approve his callup if he wasnt confident that Max was done with the AHL. I also dont think he is being showcased. We need big forwards and trading one would be stupid and short sighted.

    Pacioretty should be given the rest of the year on Gomez’s line or Eller’s and lets see what he can do.

  307. mbplekfan says:

    We have no big forwards in our farm system who can score after Max. We have no hope of acquiring one. Why would we trade one?

  308. shootdapuck says:

    Who said it was Pacioretti maybe someone else say AK46!

    Wouldn’t Goatier be remiss in not seeing what Pacioretti can do prior to committing to him and moving another player?

     

     

     

    “The three stars as selected by Red Fisher of the Montreal Star:
    1st star: Henri Richard
    2nd Star: Doug Harvey
    3rd Star: Jacques Plante

    Final score Detroit Red Wings 5 Montreal Canadiens 3″

  309. HabFanSince72 says:

    Although I agree entirely with your rebuttal, could you not do it without saying something nice about a Boston Bruin?

     

  310. Thomas says:

    I agree with you, I like JM, but what do you mean by, “EVEN DUMBER is someone who says the only coach to have success in 16 years is not a good coach.”  You’re not saying the JM is the only coach to have success are you?

  311. joeybarrie says:

    I can correct it in a few different ways. I will say it like this. The coach who had the MOST success, with the ONLY team in the NHL that matters, in 16 years.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  312. Thomas says:

    Ahhh, I get it, so again, I agree with you.  Go Habs Go

  313. Ayan_SB says:

    From Elliotte Friedman’s weekly column 30 Thoughts:

    Niklas Lidstrom, by the way, is a fan of PK Subban’s
    “I’ve watched a few of his games,” he said after Friday’s 4-2 win over
    Montreal. “I like the way he moves the puck…he has a lot of
    potential.”

    Chris Osgood similarly complimented Price, calling him “The Canadian Ryan Miller.
    He’s referring to Price’s poise and calmness under fire. Osgood
    couldn’t believe how composed Price looked as Datsyuk and Henrik
    Zetterberg exchanged the puck on a five-on-three. Even though Lidstrom
    later scored, he said Price played it perfectly.

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/blogs/elliottefriedman/2010/12/datsyuk-the-great-plus-30-thoughts.html

  314. andrewberkshire says:

    The Red Wings are all class, led by Lidstrom and Babcock.

  315. Mark C says:

    We have no way of knowing, but I wonder if Max-Pac’s call up, at least partially, is an attempt to help jump start Gomez’s production. I think a case can be made that Gomez’s best chance of producing points is with Gio (historical true) and Max who goes to the net and has become a high volume shooter. Within the current roster and on the farm, I think the best running mates for Gomez are these two.  Both Gio and Max are willing to shoot and offer Gomez with two scoring options to pass to.      

  316. Matt_in_TO says:

    I think that’s been one of Gomez’s biggest problems this year is the fact that he really didn’t have that second option.  He even admits himself he’d rather set guys up and he needs to play between 2 finishers.

     

    - In Price We Trust

  317. LA Loyalist says:

    Thank you for presenting a reasoned, logical argument. I don’t believe in Gomez, but if there is any chance your scenario at least seems feasible.

  318. mike g says:

    That could be part of the reason….
    But im more of the believer that 1- the moen, lapieere, pyatt, darche, etc… Just didnt work out as top 6 forwards ( duh)… 2- the Habs probably explored the trade market for a big/ strong/ top 6 forward and the prices were either too high, or teams werent willing to let those types of players go this early into the year. If you look at the standings, there are way too many teams still in the mix for playoff spoys, so sont expect many trades just yet because teams arent gonna sell their assets when they still have a “shot” at a playoff spot.
    3- when dealing with young players, especially those whove been known to have fragile confidence like max, you wanna call them up while/ when theyre on a high and things are going their way. Hes been apparently playing really well and is in full cobfidence this year. So for me, add up all the variable points i listed above, and thats why i think he was called up NOW.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  319. JD_ says:

    I dunno.

    I lost a lot of respect for Babcock when he started cryin’ after Canada won gold.

  320. Matt_in_TO says:

    You mean you weren’t moved to tears?

     

    - In Price We Trust

  321. JD_ says:

    No, wait, I was thinkin’ Jesse Boulerice when he crosschecked Ryan Kesler in the face.

  322. habs365 says:

    andrew you’re right and a great team to watch…well coached and very skilled…the only thing that may stop them from winning a cup in 2011…age

  323. SmartDog says:

    Personally I’d like to see:

    Pleks – AK – Cami     – last year’s best line back again.

    Gomer – Gio – MaxPac      – I think Gio knows how to play with Gomer best and MP gives a big body.

    …. but if I were Martin and wanting to get MaxPac going on a good foot, I would put him wiht Plex:

    Plecky – AK – MaxPac

    Gomer – Gio – Cami

     

    ——-

  324. thorandresson says:

    I completely agree with what you’re saying.  Ideally it’d be nice to see the All-American line to work out.

  325. Kooch7800 says:

    I agree but one problem, gomez and Gio have not been generating any offense together, same with Cammy playing with gomez. 

    They all play well with Plek’s so i would rather put Cammy-Plec’s-MP, Gomez-Gio and AK46. AK46 has not been doing much anyway so why waste a spot with Plec’s

  326. HardHabits says:

    Not bad. You slotted Gomez in there too! ;-)

    Should be something like:

    Plex-Cammy-AK46

    Gomez-Gio-MaxPac

    Eller-Darche-Pouliot

    Halpern-Laps/Pyatt/Moen (2 of 3)

    Seriously though, Laps is looking like if his name was Maximilian Peterson he’d be a habitual press box attendee.

  327. savethepuck says:

    I definitely want to see AK Cammy and Plex back together, I don’t understand this love affair with Moen being a top 6 for way too long IMO. 

  328. punkster says:

    I’d like to see how the Gs work together again. It’s about time really and no better games to try them against than the next two. I don’t necessarily subscribe to the idea that a couple of top players, like Cammy and Gomez, don’t work well together. I would think your better players should be able to play with anyone and the better their linemates the higher their game is elavated.

  329. habs365 says:

    That’s an easy way out when you’re not a goal scorer…the 2 finishers will make him look like he’s worth $8,000,000

  330. JF says:

    A tough back-to-back this week.  But both the Flyers and the Bruins will be on the second of back-to-back games when we face them.  The Flyers play the Penguins tomorrow night, and I have to think that that game is more critical for them than the one against us.  I’m hoping they win it but that it leaves them exhausted, with nothing left for the game against us.  In any case, the Habs should make the most of the situation by jumping on the Flyers early.  The Bruins play Buffalo on Wednesday.  The Sabres have been playing much better the last couple of weeks and would probably have won their last game against Boston had it not been for a rookie mistake (sounds familar), so the Bruins can’t take that game lightly.  Our bad weekend will be forgiven if we can win these two games.

  331. andrewberkshire says:

    I wish I was Jacques Martin simply so I could understand those lines.

  332. habs03 says:

    Max-Gomez (Pyatt)-Gionta

    Cammy-Pleck-Moen

    A Kost-Halpern-Laps

    Pouliot-Eller-Darche

    If you go with Moen and Pleck its for some size, and that way you have 4 lines that can score, you can easily switch Moen with A.Kost. What is there not to understand? Whats even better is JM D in practice, I hope he keeps it even after Spacek comes back Gorges-Gill, Hamrlik-Subban, Picard(Spacek when he comes bac)-Weber.

  333. savethepuck says:

    If Pyatt is just there to fill in space because Gomer will be back Wed night, and JM is only sending a message for some reason to AK that he doesn’t think he’s working hard enough, yhen that would make the lines:

    Plex-Cammy-AK

    Gio-Gomer-MaxP

    Pouli-Eller-Darche

    Halpern-Lapps-Moen/Pyatt

    Is that better?

  334. Mark C says:

    Agree with everything you said, those are the main reasons why Max was called up now. I just wonder if management is given consideration to Max being the missing player to complete the top-6.

  335. gumper says:

    And 5- Why not try the big winger you already have to see if he can do the job, before searching elsewhere and spending big bucks?

  336. savethepuck says:

    Not been doing much cause they move him off of the Plex Cammy line to get the G’s going.  The G’s weren’t clicking before he was moved or after so why blame AK.  When I’ve seen him with Plex and Cammy, I thought he’s done well.

  337. Niflster says:

    Not sure if this has been posted before, but even if so, its worth a repost :D

    Amazing goal really.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3vG3ZTxQ68

  338. Off-side says:

    And to complete the team, bring up Desharnais and sit Pyatt.  That’s what I’d do.

  339. geo_habsgo says:

    Is the audio not working for anyone else?

  340. SeriousFan09 says:

    I wonder if any other team’s fans, in any sport in NA get this worked up over practice lineups?

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  341. Storm Man says:

    look at some NFL sites a few fans go a little nuts. 

  342. JD_ says:

    No.

    And I wouldn’t want it any other way.

  343. savethepuck says:

    Now that’s funny

  344. SmartDog says:

    I’d put money that Moen will score as often or almost as often on the 3rd or 4th line.  He’s got some offensive skills but he’s outmatched against the other teams best D pairings.  (Though of course if you put him with Pleks he’d score more… goes without saying.)

    ——-

  345. BC HAB says:

    Good line combos. These are the combos that I imagined they would have. What the heck is going on here. I understand changing it up, but only if the lines don’t have chemistry.

  346. andrewberkshire says:

    I don’t doubt that you’re right about ak46, but I find it absolutely stupid to be “sending a message” to him after a couple bad games when he’s been our second best forward all year. Gomez and Cammalleri have played far worse and shown far less effort than Andrei this year, and you’ll never see a message sent to him.

  347. savethepuck says:

    That’s why I said ” for some reason sending AK a message”.  I personally think AK has been great when he has been with Plex and Cammy.  Moved off that line to get the G’s moving and gets demoted when his production drops because of it.  As someone else pointed out though, very easy to switch Moen and AK depending on the game situation.

  348. SeriousFan09 says:

    I’m being Punked aren’t I?

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  349. notbigbird says:

    Especially if he has Gomez setting him up.

  350. andrewberkshire says:

    Moen in the top 6, that’s what hard to understand. Seriously.


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