P.K. said to reject Canadiens’ first offer

Subban’s agent has denied the report but says a deal is not imminent.

At the HIO Financial Desk, we consider this a low-ball offer for a player of P.K.’s calibre and  potential. Subban made $875,000 on the final year of his three-year entry-level contract.

A salary of $2.75 million would make Subban – whose average ice time of 24:18, in all situations, led the team last season – the fourth-highest paid defenceman on the Canadiens, behind Andre Markov at $5.75 million, Tomas Kaberle at $4.25 million and Josh Gorges at $3.9 million.

It is also noteworthy that Gorges’ new deal is for six years.

Subban would make $750,000 more than Alexei Emelin.

Ain’t gonna happen.

No one is suggesting P.K. deserves (Shea, not Yannick) Weber money.

And in terms of second contracts, Subban isn’t going to get a seven-year, $35-million deal like Erik Karlsson’s.

But if Anaheim can give Sheldon Souray $12 million for three years …


  1. gloveside says:

    Still in love with the Subban and Pleks for Brayden Schenn and Braydon Coburn rumour I heard earlier this summer, but with Mezaros out, they can’t afford to trade Coburn.

  2. pmaraw says:

    american woman laying on the field hurt, refs keep game going, usa tries to move ball down field, canada gets the ball, kicks it out to stop the play so the injured girl can get up. talk about sportsmanship, but i wish they had’ve played the 2 on 2 they had with her hurt.

  3. commandant says:

    This reffing is so bad, she’s making the 2002 Olympic Women’s Hockey ref look good.

    This reffing is so bad, she’s making Chris Lee look good

    This reffing is so bad, she’s made Earl Hebner at the 1997 Survivor Series look good.

    Go Habs Go!
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    • boing007 says:

      I remember the Canadian women’s game against Brazil. Canada had a penalty kick and one of the Brazilian players charged the Canadian shooter, yelling and screaming, before she kicked the ball. Referee let it go.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  4. JoeC says:

    The refing in this game has been horrible !!!

    • English is not a Crime says:

      That was like watching a Habs/Bruins game with Greg’s daddy hand picking the refs. (or the Canada/US women’s gold medal game with the US ref back in Salt Lake)

  5. pmaraw says:

    thank the refs for that tie game.

  6. pmaraw says:

    what a beauty goal!

  7. rogus says:

    Looking @ the stats from the USA evaluation team, all I can see from Gally is time in the box. Sure hope he’s not a step behind here.


  8. Say Ash says:


  9. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Team Canada weathering the early US storm…but they’ll need to be a lot better (and lucky) if they hope to sneak out with a win. This US team looks pretty darn good.

  10. pmaraw says:

    so I’m watching rogers sportsnet, diving is on, here comes alexander despatie to dive for canada. commercial break. comes back, to olympics, oh he already did his second dive while the commercial was on so you missed it. thanks for the amazing coverage of canadians… its so fail this year. this isnt the first incident of this that i’ve seen either, it also happened on some track events.

  11. Does anyone know anything about Kurtis Foster? He’s a D, 6’5″ and 225lbs, made just $1.8M last year and is still a UFA. He got 14 pts, 46 hits and was a brutal-sounding -13 in 51 games, but to be fair he spent 9 of those games working up a -5 on a terrible Ducks team, and ended the year with Minny where he posted a +1 in 14 games.

    What do you guys say — is he worth picking up for one year at $2.25M, say?

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • habstrinifan says:

      One of the D men I mentioned as potentially able to fill a role for us. There are others ahead of him, but he could be the Shane O’Brien of last year.

      If he is last man standing, I say take him for 2 mil. But I like St Louis Kent Huskins, although I may be the only one.

    • TorontoHabsFan says:

      He’s an offensive defenceman isn’t he? He had a great season with Tampa Bay a few years back then signed with Edmonton as an UFA and fell off the earth.

      He had a pretty bad neck injury early in his career if I recall.

  12. SmartDog says:

    Where the hell is women’s soccer? It’s supposed to start now and all I can find are track events. WTF????

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  13. HabFab says:


  14. habstrinifan says:

    I have failed miserably, until now, to find a niche for myself here on HIO.

    I dont have the caustic brevity of Timo.
    I dont have the professorial didacticism of Une Candiane Errant.
    I dont have the encyclopaedic gravity of Commandant.
    I dont have the well moored confidence of Smart Dog.
    I dont have the avuncularly humourist style of the great John Bellyful.
    I dont have the invitingly travelogue style of Habitant in Surrey.

    What I can do is shovel it! I can be the sh**t disturber non-pareil.
    I can be the Black Sheep of the family. I can call a spade a spade and not care a lick. Am I making you uncomfortable yet? Good! See what I mean!

    So beginning today I am introducing, with little uneasiness, my first installment of my HIO word of the day. Without your permission, I have decided to meddlingly annoy you with YOUR own words.

    I have perused the posts and come up with my list of ‘words of the day’. I shall endeavour not to put words in your mouth even as I highlight the words you have mouthed.

    Let’s start on a gentle note. I give you Shilo2000’s “tizzy”. The surest way to get someone into a tizzy is by admonishing them not to get into a tizzy. If man were able to not go beyond tizzy the world would be a better place.

    Entry # 2: John Bellyful’s contribution ‘cogent’. A word much like pregnant. Unassailable in it’s completeness. Your argument is either cogent or not cogent.

    Entry #3: Tied at this position are two entries from Chris. ‘scale linearly’ and ‘nebulous’. My understanding of ‘linear scaling’ is too nebulous for me to properly comment. I simply acknowledge.

    Entry #4: Another entry from Chris, ‘homerism’. I guffawed prematurely at this word. And then I learnt something from Wikepedia. “Homerism is the miming of scenes from one of Homer’s epics. It was common in Greek and Roman era pagan festivals, along with other displays of virtuosity such as juggling, acrobatics and trumpet blowing”… there’s more. Who knew being a ‘homer’ was such high culture.. well except if you are a LEAF homer.

    Entry # 5: Courtesy of Bripro, we have ‘miniscule pollution’. To be fair I think he meant miniscule population. But this is a beautiful typo and stands all tests of impalpability. Beautifully undefinable.Even the corrected phrase is intriguingly open to interpretation. What is a miniscule population? Were the Canadiens’ failures due to the fact that they were stocked by a ‘miniscule population’ of hockey players or their talented players represented a ‘miniscule population’.

    Entry #6 and the WORD of the HIO day. Found in a one word post by Booing007. I dont know what the issue of debate was, nor should we care. Everyone pause a minute, hold that thought and say with Booing007… ‘Poppycock’. Now finish your post if you dare but make sure it is not ‘Poppycock’.


    • Looks like you got yourself in a bit of a tizzy there. : )

    • habsfan0 says:

      Yes…you are clearly the George Costanza of this board.

    • JohnBellyful says:

      Word of the Day — I love it!
      I receive that in my email now, so it’s great you’ll be providing a similar service here on HIO based on what’s been said. But I should tell you, ‘Trini’, the other Word of the Day includes a quote of substance from a famous person. Perhaps you can do the same and tack on a daily words of wisdom from a member of the commentariat. This place has a lot of pithy people to choose from. Some of them get really pithed.

    • boing007 says:

      Thanks for the props, habstrinifan.


      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  15. Ian Cobb says:

    Summit News!!

    I will be there with a team signed stick for your HIO group….Rej

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    • SmartDog says:

      Awesome. Hey Ian, any chance we could make a map of where people are coming from… it would be interesting to see. Maybe even just put a map on the wall at Hurleys and have people add themselves.

      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • 24 Cups says:

      Ian – It would appear that the Hab front office is now a little more accommodating to the general public.

      It’s probably a combination of the new Bergevin regime as well as the fact that the team is now a bottom feeder trying to bounce back.

  16. blu_blanc_rouge says:

    @chrismpeters: Just OK. Rusty, to be expected. Decisions a little questionable, but tools are there. #NJEC RT @BigZee1222 How does Galchenyuk look?

  17. SmartDog says:

    OK, which camp are you in?

    CAMP A: Getting Markov and Gionta back is like adding a top D, power play quarterback, and signing a top 6 forward (good for 25 goals+). This, plus some added toughness, and another year for guys like Eller and Emelin makes us a much better team period. In fact, adding Markov and Gionta is probably one of the top 5 team upgrades in the league. We WILL make the playoffs.

    CAMP B: Even with injured guys back, a couple of hot young players, and hopefully Price doing some shoot-out practice, we’re still a mid-level team and can’t expect more than mid-level results. I’m expecting a really average year, with a few highlights but a lot of lost games. We MIGHT make the playoffs but it could be just as well if we draft high again.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Never one for black-and-white decisions, I’ll go with:

      CAMP C: Camp A is right that getting Markov and Gionta back is like adding a top D, power play quarterback, and signing a top 6 forward (good for 25 goals+). This, plus some added toughness, and another year for guys like Eller and Emelin makes us a much better team. But Camp B is right that even with injured guys back, a couple of hot young players, and hopefully Price doing some shoot-out practice, we’re still a mid-level team. We can’t expect more than a 5th-9th place finish — and that’s assuming everyone stays healthy and the coach proves MB right.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Or… I do not think Markov will be as ‘great’ as before so I cant go with A. I hope ionta comes out from under the yolk of JM/PG what a captain should be and just be Gionta. I cant go with top 5 upgrades.

      Camp B is too pessimistic.

      I say we definitely make the playoffs because the team wont be as unfocussed as far as goals are concerned as last year. And MB will be pro-active to ensure we do.

  18. blu_blanc_rouge says:

    Anyone interested USA vs FINLAND live streaming. 1pm

    Featuring the Habs own Alex Galchenyuk


  19. accp says:

    Don’t know what’s gonna come out of training camp. But the present team we have MB did patch work hoping to get us by a year or two. He brought in Armstrong which has been known to be injury prone. the Prust deal was ok. than he brings in a defenceman that’s 37 years old and small. Very little improvement over last year just hope the bottom 6-7 can pick it up and we can stay healthy which I don’t see happening. Gionta, Armstrong, and Markov could all be 1-hit away from a season ending injury. lets just hope not and we can at least make the playoffs.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Yup, the next couple season they/we are just hoping for some good fortune but aren’t really expecting too much.

    • punkster says:

      Patchwork? Given the market pricing of available “talent” I’m happy he didn’t blow the budget on some over priced UFA at the expense of losing some of our youngsters. Armstrong is cheap and Frankie The Bull is a solid supporting D.

      And just for the sake of argument…name one player on any team who is not one hit away from a season ending injury.

      MB hasn’t make any big splashes or big mistakes…some might say better than previous management regimes so far.

      Give it time.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • accp says:

        I give MB full credit the way he’s managed the budget but I think I would have used the Armstrong, prust and Bouillon money on a good L/W like Parise. we had good enough players to fill in the other positions. Parise with Pleks and Gionta here’s a second line as good as our first. The third line could have been Bourque, Eller and LL. The fourth line could have been Moen, Nokelainen, White
        LL could have been as good as Armstrong and our 4th line would have been good enough and I can’t see Bouillon improving our defence that much. not enough to not spend the money on Parise. anyway what’s done is done and we let a very good L/W slip away. than again. maybe Parise wanted no part of Montreal.

        • To be fair, I bet a lot of teams were offering Parise top dollar. Would I trade Prust, Armstrong and Bouillon for Parise straight up? In a heartbeat. But for Parise and lots of other players, the money is just part of the decision. In the absence of attainable superstars, I agree with you that MB has a done a great job of improving the team on a budget.

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      Getting Gio and Markov back is like adding a top 6 and a top 4.

      And can we please stop with the “one hit away” concern. EVERY player is one hit away from a season ending injury.

      That said, I agree that we look like a bubble team then next two years unless a lot of things go better than expected.

      • accp says:

        what I’m really trying to say. MB was filling holes with players that most likely won’t be around when the young kids move up to the big team that would have made a Parise move a good one. Armstrong will be gone, Boullion will be gone and Prust won’t have all that much time left so that’s money we could have used in getting Parise who could help us have a better chance at winning a cup down the road. like I said what’s done is done for better or for worst and in the end MB is doing a good job except maybe over paid a little for Prust we’ll see as time goes on.

    • JUST ME says:

      I agree with your comments except with the patch work part wich changes everything else ! As a new G.M. Bergevin had to go step by step. I am sure he came to the same conclusions as we did. Achievements of the team last year were way under expectations and players potential. So what do we do? Trade everybody or go with what we have and consider everything that happened last year injuries,underachievers as part of the need to change the atmosphere on the second floor ?

      Personnaly i think that if you change the big boss , it is because you think you can do better with the assets of your company.

      Although i agree that there are many risky situations with our players ,chances are that it will not get worse than last season. And yes in a way MB needs time to evaluate his players,his new staff and for the youngsters to be ready to graduate. When they are ready many players will be at the end of their deals anyway so he wont be stuck with problematic deals from the previous boss that prevent him from bringing in new blood..

      Just do not know where to place my expectations for next season but at least i know that a page has been turned definitely and promising players are coming . That alone is much more than i could say for years before….

  20. Strummer says:

    NASA has landed another Rover on Mars.

    There were trying to answer Bowie’s question:


    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  21. HabinBurlington says:

    So I admit I am a huge fan of Carey Price and believe he can be our starting goalie when our Habs reach success under our new mgmt. However, I must give credit to Quick in L.A. as at the same age he has attained great success. But when I look at the Dmen Price had in front of him throughout the season versus the Dmen Quick had in front of him all season I think I see a glaring difference.

    Drew Doughty, Rob Scuderi , Willie Mitchell, Jack Johnson (partial in 11/12), VyacheslavVoynov, Matt Greene, Alec Martinez. 483 games played between them for the Kings. (Davis Drewiske played 9 games for L.A.)

    PK Subban, Tomas Kaberle, Yannick Weber, Raphael Diaz, Josh Gorges, Chris Campoli, Hal Gill, Alexei Emelin, Frederic St. Denis. 505 games played between them for the Habs. (St. Denis played in 17, so he could be removed to make total 490 for comparative reasons. Markov played 13, Spacek 12)

    Which defensive group would you take to help your team and your goalie.

    My point being that L.A. have a very solid D group and were able to rely on the same 6 players (minus J. Johnson upon his departure) to play the entire season. Whereas Montreal was mixing and matching about 9 Dmen for most of the season. L.A. had almost the identical 6 Dmen play the entire season the previous year with Jack Johnson there all season in place of Voynov.

    If Markov remains healthy and plays well ( I believe he will), along with the development of Emelin we may finally have a decently rounded Top 6/7 Defence group for the team this season. I find it hard to believe that both Diaz and Weber are both around the Big Club for most of this season, either they get traded, play in Hamilton or sit in the press box. PK/Gorges/Markov/Emelin/Kaberle/Boullion will play most of the games this year barring injury.

    In two more seasons hopefully we add some of our stud prospects.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      The biggest problem I see with the defense is that Hamerlik and Gill were never properly replaced. I’m glad they’re gone because they’re both in serious decline but they were great in the Montreal end before father time started catching up.
      I was mad at times because neither of them were exactly tough but that’s a different argument.

      So take those two big bodies out of there and replace with Kaberle and Diaz, that’s awful.

      At the moment we really only have Gorges that is known for playing real solid defense. Subban is getting there and I expect he’ll be solid in the Montreal end this season.

      Kaberle, Diaz, Weber, Emelin and Bouillon all range from average to down right bad defensively. It could be another LONG year for Price.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I think Emelin can surprise you Hobie, but you are correct that this is still not a complete Defence core that will provide Price the defensive zone coverage other elite teams have. But a healthy Markov does improve the defensive side of this squad.

        Ideally MB finds a dance partner who needs some offensive upside from their defence and we can get some grit in return. Otherwise this is indeed another building year as we wait for our young D prospects to develop.

        Having said all that, the additions of Prust, Armstrong to compliment our other forwards will help the D in their own end.

        I am hopeful we challenge for a playoff spot, but this next year quite simply is a building block year for this team.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          I actually ment to say I a have a feeling Emelin will probably tighten up, I sure hope so.

          And I left out Markov, oops. I really don’t know about Markov. I’m still petrified about us playing Philly, Boston or the Rangers and someone like Simmonds, Lucic or Boyle just hammering him in the corner.

          Markov used to be good in his own end with that great 1st pass but I dunno about him winning races into the corner anymore or being able to take any sort of punishment.

          I’m keeping my fingers crossed and hoping for the best.

          • jmsheehy19 says:

            The good thing about Markov was he was never a bruiser or a Neidermeyer type. His closest comparison was Lidstrom (playing style, not as amazing obviously).

            He has fantastic positioning and reads the play as good as anyone. The knee, assuming it holds up, shouldn’t prevent him from playing a similar game as before.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      HiB, your statistical digging makes you appear like Chris, and I mean this in a nice way – no between the lines stuff!

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • AceMagnum says:

      Go KINGS!!


      THE KINGS ARE KINGS!! 2012

    • habsfan0 says:

      Your comparison between the Habs’ and Kings’ defencemen doesn’t explain why Price has played so poorly in the shoot out.

      • SmartDog says:

        It’s easy. Not enough protection. Really our D MUST be BETTER in shootouts if we’re going to go anywhere.

        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

      • saskhabfan says:

        I think price’s shootout struggles gets magnified when your team rarely scores in them.

        • habsfan0 says:

          Hmmm…it’s always someone elses fault it seems…the defence isn’t good enough…the offence isn’t good enough..it never seems to be Price’s fault…just sayin’.

          • saskhabfan says:

            You mean the same excuses the halakians were using against the flyers in rd #3 even though he was only facing 20 or so shots a game and allowing 4 or 5 goals? Just saying……bazinga!!!!!! In case you haven’t noticed i didn’t let carey off the hook,i recognized he struggled but it’s also noted his team rarely scored for him and carey was probably the main reason they were in any position to compete in the first place. Its too bad some posters here are not smart enough to realize hockey is a team sport and you don’t win if you don’t score regardless of how good your goalie is.

          • L Elle says:

            Hmmm…and according to some, it is always Prices’ fault.

            Just sayin”. 😉

          • habsfan0 says:

            Why are you bringing Halak’s name into the mix? I never did.

            The fact of the matter is, hockey is a team sport, no doubt about it. And the reason the Habs didn’t make the playoffs last year was due to a variety of circumstances, not just goaltending. However, when your Number 1 goalie doesn’t seem to particularly distinguish himself in so called “pressure” situations, i.e., shootouts, regular season as well as playoff OT games, then the spotlight shines brightest on him.

        • HabFab says:


  22. Strummer says:

    I was hoping Boone was going to live blog the men’s 100 metere final yesterday.

    3:50 00 sec

    “Welcome aboard…”

    3:50 10 sec

    “About last night..”

    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  23. commandant says:

    Shane Doan has narrowed his list to three teams… The Rangers, Penguins and Vancouver. Why I think one of those three makes the most sense.


    Go Habs Go!
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  24. SmartDog says:

    Which is more embarrassing? That this thread is still up since Aug 1, or that for the last few days TSN’s lead hockey story has been the Leafs “Locking Up!” of their first round draft pick. I mean, yah, good work on “locking him up” because he, you know, coulda gone, anywhere. Really – just anywhere.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Thurston says:

      Why does it matter? It’s August.

    • Strummer says:

      TSN with the jackass Jay Onrait getting to do his 14 year-old-level schtick on Olympic broadcasts is the most embarassing.

      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • twilighthours says:

      Smart dog, let it go man.

      • SmartDog says:

        I can’t! This is my only escape when I’m working. Maybe I should take up watching porn.

        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

        • solomio says:

          a little porn goes a long way

          “I figure Bergevin has 3 or 4 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

    • habstrinifan says:

      OK I am gonna give you two names and if it makes you feel just a little like you woofed woofed too early please say so.

      Justin Schultz! Danny Kristo!

      • HabFab says:

        Trini, Kristo cannot be signed while at University, he either has to graduate or quit school to sign a pro contract. And while he attends school remains the property of the Habs. He is committed to playing for his school this his last season. In order for him to pull a Schultz he would have to quit school. As a kid growing up Kristo was not a big NHL fan but instead was a big NCAA North Dakota fan, his team now. Who knows what the future holds and even if he can play in the NHL?

      • commandant says:

        Kristo and Schultz both just finished their junior seasons in the NCAA. Both also played one year of junior after being drafted (Schultz in the BCHL, Kristo in the USHL) as such both were subject to the same rule.

        They were Junior A level players on the NCAA route, who played 4 seasons after being drafted.

        Schultz used the rules in place to “de-register” from school and become a UFA 30 days after doing so.

        If Kristo really wanted to leave school, and not sign with Montreal, and go to another team, he could have done so this summer. He doesn’t have to wait til next year.

        Going back for his senior season was all about trying to win at UND, not about snubbing Montreal.

        Go Habs Go!
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  25. boing007 says:

    Maybe P.K. subscribes to the Adam Savage adage: “I reject your reality and substitute my own.”

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  26. JohnBellyful says:

    Commandant is doing a great job in keeping us apprised of other team’s prospects so that we can keep everything in perspective as it relates to the Habs’ future and its stable of young players.
    However, there’s also the risk that reading these analyses, however cogent, could skew Hab fans’ estimation of how good these teams are likely to be. Reading only about their stars in the making could result in an inflated opinion of the strength of Montreal’s rivals.
    To provide more context, here are a few snapshots of players in the pipeline who, for whatever reason – dearth of in-depth talent perhaps – still factor in their teams’ plans for seasons to come.
    Most Montreal fans are well acquainted with the lesser lights in the team’s system; meet a few of the dim bulbs from others’:

    Deuce ‘Wrong Way’ McDonald, D (Islanders) – The left-footed defenceman led his team in takeaways two years in a row before league officials told him to leave the vendors alone. McDonald earned his nickname in a game against the Worcester Sharks when he collided with a forward at centre ice, stripped the player of the puck, did a triple spinarama and sped off on a breakaway, which he capped by firing in the winning goal – for the other side.
    “I thought the goalie looked familiar, which is why I knew to shoot high on the glove side,” McDonald, still dazed, said after the game.

    Cargill Wingate, LW (Washington) – Possessor of the hardest wrist shot in the Western Hockey League, Wingate is also the loop’s slowest foot soldier. To describe his skating as plodding would be grounds for committal to a psychiatric ward; he’s not that fast. It takes him two line changes to get off the ice. Wingate’s used exclusively on the first power play unit – because the face-off is in the other team’s end.

    Archie Krudnik, RW (Toronto) – His fights are the stuff of legend, making him a likely candidate for promotion to the parent club in the near future. Tests conducted at the combine three years ago were inconclusive: mental health consultants couldn’t agree on whether he was a sociopathic psychopath or a psychopathic sociopath. Leaf officials said it didn’t matter, as long as Krudnik limited himself to killing penalties.

    Benoit Bidet, G (Tampa Bay) – Another of the much-touted netminders from the QMHL, Bidet is noteworthy for being the first ambidextrous one. The skill, however, has thus far worked to his detriment, as he has yielded a number of goals while making the switch between stick and glove. Bidet has shown great lateral movement while on the bench.

    Anton Beezlebov, C (Carolina) – The diminutive forward has outstanding peripheral vision, extraordinary hearing, an incredible sense of smell, and, if you believe the rumours, amazing telepathic ability. Unfortunately, Beezlebov also suffers from migraine headaches as a result of sensory overload. Still, he has shown flashes of brilliance in delivering pinpoint passes, anticipating plays and finding open spots. Despite his obvious gifts, however, for far too many games, he’s been invisible – which has generated rumours as well.

  27. joeybarrie says:

    Also of HUGE importance to the Olympic medals argument.
    The Summer Olympics offers about 1000 medals compared to the 250 or so in the Winter.

  28. accp says:

    Believe it or not. Gomez has averaged more points than Doan throughout their careers and Gomez played less games.
    30mil for 4-years. way too much. Rangers made that mistake with Gomez and passed him on to Montreal to get off the hook. can’t believe BG did that with his so called smarts.

  29. joeybarrie says:

    Mentioned in a post below, it was said that PK Subban was the most important to his team out of the 3 big RFAs still not signed, Del Zotto and Carlson being the other 2.
    I think with the departure of Wideman, Carlson is more important to the Caps than PK is to the Habs.
    Green is their highest producing D, but his defensive play is no where near where Markov’s is.
    I think without Markov it may be true, however, with Markov I think Carlson is much more important to the Caps than PK is to us.
    but that’s always been the problem with the Caps. Take out Backstrom and Green and the rest can’t keep the team up. Even with these guys they have holes. Too much heavily relying on the core of 3. Ovechkin, Backstrom, and Green.

  30. HabFab says:

    Re Australia medal totals, we have to keep perspective here. In Vancouver we had 26 medals and they had 3. Their environment is summer weather oriented and ours is winter weather oriented.

  31. ont fan says:

    All I ever hear about Calgarys weather, is how unpredictable it is. It’s spectacular! On to Kimberly B.C. for a little golfing. Can it be better than this.

  32. gmur says:

    Rumor has it that PK Subban has rejected the Habs’ first offer.

  33. HabinBurlington says:

    With the Olympics being on most peoples minds I have a question. How does Australia always manage to produce high quality athletes in so many different sporting events. Be it team sports or individual I am constantly amazed at how a country like Australia (limited population, like Canada) can so often be in the hunt for medals etc…

    One of my theories is that due to the geographical location of this Island Continent/Country the influence of other countries/continents professional leagues is not nearly as great. Having talked to people who have played various pro levels of sports in AUstralia it is my understanding that the locals really love to support their own leagues and that the national teams of various sports are treated like All-Stars despite most not being in a Pro League like the NFL/NBA/NHL/Premiereship.

    Seems to me the country of Australia really appreciates many of their Amateur stars moreso than perhaps many in Canada as we tend to be so pre-occupied with our NHL teams/players.

    I am not into writing long theories/essays as I don’t have the patience, but this is part of my theory but would love to hear from others who often have great insights.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Gerald !
      You have to know what the real difference is pertaining to Australia. They have a wonderful and much thicker accent my friend.

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      It’s because everything in Australia can kill you. They have to be tremendous athletes to survive.

    • Chris says:

      Australia has long had a strong outdoor-sport culture. I’m not sure that I would say that Australia does a much better job than Canada. Jack Todd raised an interesting point in his column this week (although I know it is sacrilege to mention Todd here, his column this week was quite good until the last couple of paragraphs where he got a little mean-spirited again). Australia has 20 medals to Canada’s 10. Their strength lies primarily in swimming, an event that has an obscene number of medals associated with it. There are 34 medal events in swimming, including 6 relays. Compare that to running, where there are only 20 medal events, including 4 relays. Even if you consider hurdles, steeplechase and race walking to be running events (a case could be made for race walking, but hurdles and steeplechase are different beasts), you can still only get it up to 30 running events. The Olympics put a heavy emphasis on swimming, probably too much so, allowing a country like Australia to get a distorted medal tally.

      Take swimming out of the equation (Australia has 10 swimming medals, Canada has 1), and Australia has 10 medals in all other sports to Canada’s 9. Obviously, swimming is the big difference maker, so much so that their performance of 10 medals is seen as a national failure and has led to the Aussies launching a review of their swimming program following the Olympics.

      That being said, Australia was also an early adapter of identifying and training their future athletic stars. One of the models that was followed in creating the Own the Podium program was the Australian model, and Canada has borrowed expertise heavily from Australian athletics organizations.

      I mentioned yesterday that Canada actually has a proud tradition in a number of events: cycling (track, road and mountain), rowing, sprinting, paddling (canoe and kayak) and triathlon are all sports where Canada has punched at or above its weight in international competition. When you factor in that we absolutely clobber Australia in the Winter Olympics, where we obviously have the advantage of being a winter nation to counteract their advantage of having perhaps the world’s best summer sport conditions, Canada’s “amateur” sporting successes really aren’t that far off those of Australia.

      • joeybarrie says:

        15 of their 20 medals is in swimming and rowing where they excel. Considering the beach culture its not surprising.
        you make lots of excellent points. But simply put, we skate on water, they swim and row in it.
        15 million people all living on the coast of ideal beach weather.
        Pretty good odds.

      • Rugger says:

        They have also been top 5 in Rugby since forever. It is as big there as Hockey in Canada. We have had the good fortune of having a few Aussies on our team over the years and while no better atheletes than some of our American players, the skill is orders of magnitude better. Growing up with a sport rather than picking it up in college makes a huge impact.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Look at the success of their Men’s Soccer teams and men’s basketball, and men’s volleyball. They are superior here as well. They qualify for world cups where we haven’t in a long time. I don’t say this with tremendous envy, but rather respect for a nation of its size to be so good. Not to mention their success in Rugby also.

        We have our winter sports I agree, I just think Australia does a fantastic job of balancing out their support for their amateur athletes.

      • habstrinifan says:


        I think though that the ‘population size’ thing is a red herring thing.

        • Chris says:

          Population discrepancies don’t scale linearly, but the increased talent pool is nonetheless a major factor.

          The United States and China are dominating because they are probably spending the most on their athletics. But they are also dominating because they have the raw material to start with. Australia had a good run in the pool from being the country that worked hardest at matching the Americans’ dominance there. Now that China and some of the European nations are starting to dedicate heavy resources to matching them, they lose their advantage while the other countries maintain their advantage of a bigger pool of people from which to find those talented athletes.

          This might be a one-off poor performance for the Aussies in the pool, but I suspect they are the victims of their own success. The rest of the world saw how they achieved dominance, studied it and have now copied it.

          It will be somewhat difficult to turn back the clock now.

    • Bripro says:

      Good morning Gerry.
      Just dropped in quickly on the way to the beach to see if the blog page has changed. I’m on borrowed air time, so can’t stay long. But I had to comment on your long comment. You should model yourself after say… Shayne or Bellylaughter … they keep it short. 😉
      It will be another cameo appearance for me.
      Very hot and muggy on the Cape.
      I hope it’s dryer for you guys back home.
      Talk to you soon. And I certainly hope it’s with encouraging news on Subban’s signing, and not trade.
      Cheers to you my friend.

      P.S. Do you think the fact that our friends the Aussies’ geographical location offers them more ideal summer conditions and we winter sport conditions, hence both our minuscule pollution countries are kick-ass in our own Olympic seasons?

    • joeybarrie says:

      Considering the Australian identity it isn’t too surprising that the country does well is certain sports. The beach is an integral part of the Auzzie life, so with a population of 22 million, they can produce world class athletes in swimming sports and beach sports. With such a big country its not surprising to see so many cyclists and runners.
      The climate is appropriate for the summer olympics.
      But most importantly is the economy. As a highly developed country it is the worlds 13th largest economy and has the 6th highest per capita income in the world. This makes it easier for the people to be involved and have great sporting programs.
      A coastal country with wonderful weather leads to high outdoor life. Lots of sports and activities.
      And since the country is quite far from the USA and Europe, given the time zone difference its not surprising the local sports are heavily supported.
      There is a higher percentage of participation in sports and spectatorship in Australia than in more populated countries.

      I don’t think they are very different from Canada. With the exception of the climate leading to dominance in beach sports rather than winter sports, I feel like Canada does better in the winter Olympics than Australia does in the Summer.

      • Chris says:

        “I don’t think they are very different from Canada. With the exception of the climate leading to dominance in beach sports rather than winter sports, I feel like Canada does better in the winter Olympics than Australia does in the Summer.”

        We do, but I think you have to factor in that the level of competition in the Winter Olympics is lower. Every country in the world gets a summer, but not every country in the world gets snow.

    • joeybarrie says:

      Also I think Australia is as obsessed with their Rugby Union as we are our hockey. Maybe even more so.

  34. Lafleurguy says:

    P.K.’s, Malcolm’s, and Jordan’s father was interviewed on CBC Toronto last night regarding the 50th anniversary of Jamaican independence. Karl Subban is a thoughtful, articulate person, and he and Mrs. Subban have instilled a lot of strength in the young men.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  35. Becauese the weather is terrible this morning, here I am. Not a must read, just a story to Stu. You all know it by now.

    Aug 1, 2012

    Good Morning Stu

    I know the summer has been long without really anything worth posting about. I usually take the summer off from Hockey Inside out but obviously you can’t, it’s your life.

    I’d really like to know how the troops are spending their summer. The Oliver family (I and my two little ones) are big Carey Price fans. I’m one of the few who when Carey was drafted didn’t complain when they didn’t draft Brule. I still remember what I said to this day when they drafted Carey Price “oh my god the Habs just drafted an English goaltender.”

    The online fans went into an immediate tizzy, they were out of control. The first thing I did was ask myself who is this guy then I rushed to the WHL stats page and did some quick research. I was impressed with his noted size, and the number of shut outs as a 17 year old.

    Anyway, as a memorabilia collector (hobby) I started with is hockey cards. Started picking away at his list of cards that were available. I created a Price web page for all to view my collection. I sent through the mail a card for Carey to sign. I made sure I wrote a nice letter to him telling about myself and my career in the Canadian Infantry (I was promoted to Sgt the year before).

    So time went by, his billet Jill Williams sent back the cards for him, she wrote us a nice little note, and through online communication we (the Williams family and Oliver family) became friends.

    When Carey made the IIHF World Junior team, I emailed Jill and told her how excited we all were. She was a little more excited than most and understandably so. She went over as with them all to watch her Canadian son play. We all know how that turned out and Jill was sure to let me know how she felt when Team Canada won the Gold. It was just plain honest enjoyable so see all those young men reach another level of play.

    A few months went by and then Carey was sent to Hamilton. It was another move towards building a future, and again a lot of fans didn’t like it. Halakmania was where the other side of the goalie club was going. Again we all know how that turned out. Just to add, a few months before he went to Hamilton I told Jill to mention to Carey that if he ever gets sent to Hamilton that he should where 29. I’m a big Ken Dryden fan (who isn’t) so I thought it was fitting with all the Price hype coming from the organization and the media about who Carey Price may become. You know same old story with Montreal Goalies. He’s the next(fill in historic hall of fame goalie here). Anyway I told Jill I was taking the family to Winnipeg to watch Carey and the Bulldogs, she said that she and her husband Denis were going too. We all hooked up there in the MTS Center, and waited for the Bulldogs to step on the ice. Now up until then I didn’t see any highlights, so I wasn’t aware of what number he was wearing, but when he stepped on the ice I said to myself, oh my god he’s wearing 29!!!!! Now I know I had no say in that, all the goalie numbers where most likely taken but it was still a very funny moment for me.

    After the game we all went down to wait for Carey. I spent some time getting to know everyone, and got to talk with Carey’s dad Jerry for 30 minutes. Chet family was there and it was interesting to talk to Chet and his just bantam drafted brother Calvin.

    But it was Jerry was the most interesting, we didn’t talk hockey. We just talked like two old friends getting together, life in general, I told him about my life in the infantry, and introduced my wife and kids to him. We exchanged information and soon Carey walked around the tunnel holding a piece of pizza in his hand and grinning. We stayed to the side of the tunnel, and let him reconnect with his family and friends. It was a nice moment that wish every fan of the Canadiens could see/have.

    Jill introduced us to Carey, spent a few moments doing the fan thing and I told him to get back to his family and friends. My special little girl Meagan (she was 4 then) loves Carey, every time she say him on TV she asked where his bread was, I explained to her that breads were for playoffs.

    Jill and I still talk a little but you know how time separates friends. Years pass and people grow apart, but you never forget those special moments.

    One of those special moments is the Carson Kolzig Foundation Carey goes every year to help out. This year the Caron Kolzig Group raised over 200,000.00 for the research and education of autism.

    Here is a link to the Carey Price winning the longest drive competition ad Carson Kolzig Foundation story. Maybe you and your staff already posted this on Hockey Inside Out. I’ve been vacationing in PEI with my two little ones so I haven’t seen much of what has been posted.

    I am on my way back in two weeks (Brandon, MB….sigh). I’ll be in Montreal in Oct for the Summit. It’s another great group (over 200 fans this year) of Canadiens fans who travel all across North America to raise money for the children’s hospital, hang out with great friends, and watch the Habs! I go a couple days early so I can catch an extra game. This year the great Ian Cobb has organized the event on the 26th and 27th of October, so for me it will the first time to see Saku on ice of the Bell. I believe Mr. Cobb said this is the 7th annual, but for me it’s the third time. We hold the charity auction on Saturday afternoon, 27 Oct 2012 at the Baton Rouge. Every single person brings something to auction off and every single person gets a prize. Rejean Houle and the Montreal Canadiens are always super with a prize donation, it’s fun to have him attend the super. Like I said Ian Cobb is a great representative of this fine group, and his is a wonderful story. Thanks Ian for putting this together, on personal note you, Julie and Jill understand how important this is to me. Sorry Stu I already wrote enough haha , here is a link to my personal story as written in the West Prince Graphic a few weeks ago.

    So while in Montreal I will also try and visit with my favourite radio personalities, Mitch Melnick and Rod Francis from TSN990. Long story short. I’ve had over 9 concussions in my 21 years in the Infantry. I retired last July, but when I received my last concussion I spent a lot of time online. I found the Team 990, and listen to Mitch’s show every day. Like everything about him, his opinions, taste in music, and we have the same view of the Habs. Basically we’re up here and they’re down there. Meaning, they are on the ice, and we are in the stands.

    I’m not looking for press here Stu, just killing the morning with something interesting to pass the time away. My two little ones are still asleep and it’s 9am, so this in parenting life is heaven hehe!

    Have a great summer, and consider this a personal invite from Mr. Cobb and I to attend the Summit.


    They Call Me Shane
    “They never asked to be Canadiens, they were Chosen.”
    Shane Oliver
    Twitter @Sholi2000
    Custom Sports Figures

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Great start-me-up for the day, Sergeant Shane. The human side of our hockey heroes is easily overlooked. As for a comment below that Carey Price hasn’t won anything yet, he was the key goaltender in a WJIC gold medal win, and the Canadiens’ organization’s only Calder Cup championship in recent times.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • OH I agree, I was more thinking at the NHL, plus I didn’t want to show too much my man crush on he and his family. His 38 wins was amazing. Almost every one of those wins was a hard fought game. Also the amount of media/Halak fan support that season was proof he can handle anything.

        They Call Me Shane
        “They never asked to be Canadiens, they were Chosen.”
        Shane Oliver
        Twitter @Sholi2000
        Custom Sports Figures

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Hey Shane!
      A lot of HIO people going down the 401 this summer have stopped in for a visit or a swim here this year. Sure hope you make it here on the way from PEI to Manitoba.

  36. HabinBurlington says:

    Who signs first Del Zotto with Rangers, Carlson with Caps or PK with Habs?

    All 3 are in the identical scenario coming off of their entry level contracts and all showing they are going to be stud Defencemen.

    • Carlson should have the bigger contract of the three. From your list Gerald, I like him the most.

      What’s your name son?
      They Call Me Shane
      “They never asked to be Canadiens, they were Chosen.”
      Shane Oliver
      Twitter @Sholi2000
      Custom Sports Figures

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Arguments can be made for all 3 Shane, I think PK has the most physical ability as a two way dman, but I am probabaly Bias. Carlson is one heckuva Dman who also quickly established himself as one of Washington’s premiere Dman. I am not sure who the agents are for Del Zotto and Carlson, but have to believe all three players agents are watching each others clients scenarios closely.

  37. b_whalen13 says:

    EOTP’s top 25 under 25 coverage begins today with those under 25 years of age that did not make the cut for the top 25 list.

  38. Ian Cobb says:

    Mention you are with HIO for your discount! (866-861-6112)

    Our 6th annual 2012 HIO Fan Summit is, Oct 27th weekend.

    We are staying at the Novotel hotel, discount rates at (866-861-6112) Tell them you are with HIO to get your discount.


    We will all meet and greet at Hurley’s pub Friday eve. on Crescent St.
    Some of us will be having supper there, and name tags will be given out.
    Everyone is welcome to join us. Ware you team colors! and
    enjoy the evening.

    Saturday morning, breakfast is at Chez Cora’s at 8 or 8:30am. 1240 Drummond St.
    You can order a la cart and everyone gets 15% discount off your bill.

    After breakfast we walk over to the Bell Center for the Hall of Fame Tour.

    At 3pm the Montreal Canadiens Children’s Foundation charity raffle at the Baton Rouge restaurant 1050 Mountain St.
    Each person is asked to bring one gift item to donate for the charity raffle, so everyone gets a gift to go home with. After this years fund raiser, we will have donated over $10,000.

    Then our Baton Rouge restaurant pre game dinner. With special guests.

    After dinner we walk across the street to the Duck’s and Hab’s game.

    After the game the 2nd floor of Hurley’s pub is reserved for us again, to celebrate the win. Anyone may join us, just identify yourself as a HIO member.

    Please be generous with your charity raffle gifts and your purchase of raffle tickets. It is a way for the HIO community to give back to less fortunate kids.

    Enjoy talking hockey and meeting your wonderful HIO community at this years Summit.

    See ya there.
    Ian Cobb

    HIO fan Summit, News, Pictures and Comments

  39. Kfourn says:

    What you mean to tell me P.K hasn’t been traded…I mean ostracized…I mean signed yet!!111!!!1!!11!

    Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

    “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

  40. The Dude says:

    I always thought an athlete should have an Outstanding year with many great achievements before you can name an athlete GREAT or top 3 ! Can Price at least have that kind of year first or do we have to continue with the fact that some here are in love with his looks,lol. And once again for all you lil fellers out there whom fantasize that short peoples are faster,well that was 6’5″ Usain Bolt that blew by you on your last blink ….keep dreaming my friends! Besides,your job is to look up too BIG PEOPLE….Oh yes I did! 🙂

    • Kfourn says:

      So I guess we should only be drafting Jamaicans now? get real, skating and edge work is much different that sprinting.

      Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

      “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

      • saskhabfan says:

        Hey Kfourn,how dare you question a realist. Don’t you know the realists know whats best for the team? How dare you question a guy who thinks our team should go off the draft board and select big jamaicans.

    • Chris says:

      Usain Bolt is a freak of nature. The vast majority of the sprinters are smaller guys…he’s the first gold medal calibre sprinter in the world that was 6’4″ or taller.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        Chris, I’m speculating that the Dude’s comment is the type he often makes and not only at 4 a.m. A thoughtful reply may fall on deaf ears.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

      • habstrinifan says:

        Carl Lewis (6′ 3″) Ryan Bailey (6′ 4″) Richard Thompson (6′ 2″) Asafa Powell (6′ 3″). Many plus six sprinters.

        • Chris says:

          There are many over 6′, but the historical norm was a range of 5’9″ up to about 6’1″. Lewis, Powell and Linford Christie (6’2.5″) were anomalously tall sprinters. In two of those cases, there have long been suspicions of significant doping.

          Shorter men don’t have the stride length to compete over the final 50 meters when everybody is basically hitting their plateau, while the taller men really struggle with their acceleration phase.

          What makes Bolt so special is that he can overcome what are often terrible starts. He really bungled his start yesterday and STILL laid down a 9.63, just as his start in Beijing was rough when he slapped down a 9.68. When he put down his 9.58 record, he probably had as good a start as you see from Bolt, but it still causes him to struggle.

          Bolt re-wrote the script. Before him, a tall guy wouldn’t have been trained…there was no point. But he set the bar for taller sprinters to be given a shot, so perhaps we’ll start to see more guys like him over the next few years.

  41. kempie says:

    Am I missing something here? Why is the Curiosity landing only being streamed online? Isn’t this something that should be on actual television?

    • Chris says:

      I think the problem was that the event itself might be somewhat boring from a television point of view. For the vast majority of the landing, there was no signal to be had. The “seven minutes of terror” label was thrown around in the media because for the critical seven minutes of the landing, we had minimal to no contact due to interference as it decelerated in the Martian atmosphere (in much the same way that we lose contact with the space shuttles and modules as they return to Earth).

      Fantastic to see that it made it down safely. The deployment of the Mars rover is an absolutely stunning example of human ingenuity and creativity, and the engineers and scientists involved in getting the rover safely down to the surface deserve huge accolades.

      I’m just happy for a few of my friends who will continue to be gainfully employed. Had the rover crashed, at least a couple of them were probably out of work in a few months!

  42. Chris says:

    For my money, Price is #6 in the NHL going into next season.

    I would rank the top 3 as being a step ahead: Lundqvist, Quick, Rinne (in that order).

    Then the next group, where all are somewhat interchangeable:

    4. Cam Ward (I know that I would fear him getting traded to a contender pretty much every season…I suspect almost everybody will disagree with this one, but Ward is my pick for the must underrated goaltender in the NHL due to playing on a crap team the past two years.)
    5. Miikka Kiprusoff (keeps on trucking, despite an insane workload)
    6. Carey Price (and rising)
    7. Roberto Luongo (career numbers and awards)
    8. Niklas Backstrom (one bad year in past six)
    9. Ryan Miller (and falling…his Vezina Trophy keeps him in the mix)
    10. Jimmy Howard (has to show that he can string together two great seasons)

    If Corey Schneider can post another season like last year’s he will be right there with Price for consideration as the top young goalie in the NHL.

    Mike Smith and Kari Lehtonen are statistically there, but I think they might be products of strong defensive systems and so I left them out.

    Ilya Bryzgalov entered last season as a top-10 goalie, but I don’t think many would still have him there. That being said, he’s my pick for a big bounce-back season now that there won’t be any television cameras around to distract him.

    Marc-Andre Fleury might belong, but he’s been very inconsistent and I think the playoff performance this past spring was brutal enough that there’s got to be some questions about whether he can return to form or if he has been exposed.

    • I would put Price ahead of Kiprusoff, but I consider it a shame to even disagree with any of your comments. You sir are one of the few people here that consistently writes informative, logical AND quality posts. Please never let the trolls ever stop you from posting more. Cheers!

    • Steven says:

      Using that list, I put Price in 4th, maybe 3rd.

      Ward is definitely good, but I think Price is better(That’s my opinion, anyhow). Kipper’s sorta not at that elite level anymore, from what I see. Of course, take that with a grain of salt considering I don’t watch much of the Flames.

      Then, between Lundqvist, Quick and Rinne, only two are beyond all reasonable doubt better than Price, and that’s the first two(I would switch their order, though.) Rinne could be better, but it’s hard to really gauge that with the defence he has. This year, it’s gotten weaker, so his performance will probably tell me if he’s better or not.

      Regardless, Price at 6 or 4 out of 30 is great. And considering he’s getting better, forget about it!

      • nickster13 says:

        I agree about Kipper, he’s been down for a couple years now, not a money goaltender.

        “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the rocket!”

      • Chris says:

        The funny thing with Kiprusoff is that he is under the radar good. The Flames really haven’t been a good team for three or four years. Playing for a non-playoff team last season, Kiprusoff was still good for a 35-22-11 record to go with a very solid 2.35 GAA and a 0.921 SV% that was amongst the league leaders. Like Price, he’s been a thoroughbred that plays 70+ games every season. For me, he is another guy that would scare the tar out of me if he was actually playing for a contender instead of a team that is putting off a long overdue rebuilding effort.

        The big problem I have with Price is that I think most here would argue that the Montreal Canadiens under Jacques Martin were a team that preached defence first. They were not taking much in the way of offensive gambles and had become one of the most boring teams in the NHL to watch. If I am going to penalize guys like Mike Smith, Kari Lehtonen or Ilya Bryzgalov for being the beneficiaries of defensive systems in Dallas and Phoenix, then I think it is only fair to hold Price’s feet to the fire on that front as well. Combined with his lack of meaningful playoff success (which was not his fault at all last time, as he was lights out), and it is hard to elevate Price past some of the guys who have had that success.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Pretty fair analysis Chris. Going into this last season I wouldn’t have had Quick in the top 3 but the results of his regular and playoff season moves him into that upper echelon. The interesting thing about ranking the best goalies is while they are individuals the team sport aspect is always a factor. Given how bad the Habs were last year it makes it unreasonable to place Carey in that Top 3 grouping.

      However, one great season by Carey and a stumble by Mikka or Ward and alll of a sudden Price is knocking on that upper echelons door.

      • Balzac says:

        Isn’t it the same thing for the hype about Quick? His great last season put him on the top of the list… but if we look at the average % and #of saves, for the past 4 years, it look alot like Price… (I don’t look at GAA cause it’ depend too much on the quality of the team you have in front)

        • Chris says:

          I had Quick right there with Price entering the season. His team was no better than Price’s throughout their career and, in many cases, was probably worse. Yet he has put up comparable if not better numbers.

          There has been no better goalie in the NHL at stealing points in games where his team didn’t show up than Jonathan Quick. The guy has been sensational for two seasons, but this past season was really his coming out party. The Kings had all but handed Jonathan Bernier the starting position out of the summer in 2010 based on his junior pedigree, but Quick has just gone on a tear and relegated Bernier to a back-up that can’t much in the way of a sniff of ice time.

          He jumped into the top 3 because he was just ridiculous last season. To compare his season to anybody except for Lundqvist would be homerism…Quick and Lundqvist were head and shoulders above the rest of the crowd last season.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      If everyone’s least favourite teabagger returns to the NHL he would unfortunately have to be placed in the top group.

      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • Chris says:

        I had him #2 if he was still there, just behind Lundqvist. Lundqvist gets the nod for being so consistently excellent, while Thomas has had a couple of down seasons in the past five years.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I think I may have started this round of the “Is the Price Right” debate by stating that I think that Price has ‘consistently been in the top 3’ in the league. I hope the implied qualification was evident.

      I am most in agreement with your selections and explanations. Except the elevation of Quick after this one playoff season seems to me to be rushed.

      None of the goalies you listed from 1 to 10, except maybe Lundquist and Rinne can be described as consistently superior to Price.

      • Chris says:

        Quick was already knocking on the door for me last summer (I was routinely touting him last summer…he didn’t get much attention because he played in LA, but he’s been every bit as good as Price throughout his career).

        I just object to the idea that he is being elevated because of one playoff season. He played 69 games last season and posted a 1.95 GAA (2nd in the NHL), a 0.929 SV% (5th in the NHL) and 10 shutouts (1st in the NHL). In 2010-11, Quick was behind only Martin Brodeur in goal support yet posted solid numbers. In 2011-12, he had the worst goal support average in the NHL, with his team averaging only 2.01 goals per game in support of him. Few did more than Quick last year by any metric, but when you factor in his pitiful goal support, his regular season was one of the best in recent memory. The Kings would have been fighting Montreal for the 3rd overall pick if it weren’t for Jonathan Quick last year.

        THEN you throw on the playoff run and you get a guy that had a truly magnificent season. Jonathan Quick played 89 games last season, and he was playing at a superstar level from September to June. That was no flash in the pan.

  43. SmartDog says:

    Interested in Women’s soccer? You should be. Our women are STRONG, it’s high quality soccer.

    The semi-final against the dominant US should be a good one… we rarely beat them but our team has looked good. Game time is tomorrow at 2:45 (Eastern), coverage starts around 2:

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  44. accp says:

    Price for sure is in the top three. and as the team gets better. so will he. he can only stop so many shots. gotta put a few in at the other end. that’s when price will shine.

    • Habby_Haberton says:

      Loses the classiness that comes with it when say, Lidstrom did it, when it was you who asked to get the hell outta there.

      • kempie says:

        Still doesn’t hurt. Maybe not as classy as Lidstrom but better than Lebron.

        • habstrinifan says:

          Never liked this sort of self-serving farewell by athletes. You were not a city founder. Nash was certainly a high profile hockey player in Columbus and may have been excellent in his dealings with the fans. But I see no need to be as dramatic as this ad is in going to play somewhere else. There are probably hundreds of unrecognized community volunteers whose departure from the city would substantially affect the daily well being of some people in that city. Let’s see and AD for them.

          Classy.. not really. A person with the means fulfilling his sense of self…YES.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            When Roy Halliday took out the ad in the GTA papers, I thought it was excellent, honest and seemed heartfelt. Having watched him give his heart and soul to the Jays and never have a chance for the playoffs I had no hardfeelings for his choice to leave. I thought him doing a farewell to the city in that way very honourable. I can’t speak to Nash, as I don’t know how the fans of Columbus really feel about him and that scenario.

  45. Lizardking89 says:

    Anyone else disappointed with our medal count? It just seems like we’re so far back in terms of talent than other countries.

    • commandant says:

      – We are 35th in the world in population
      – have a cold weather climate
      and are 11th in medal count at the summer games… and on pace to do better than we did in Beijing.

      What do you expect?

      Go Habs Go!
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    • HabFab says:

      The only country that isn’t at least 20,000,000 more in population ahead of us in the Medal count is Australia. Keep it in prospective.

    • SmartDog says:

      The entire population of Canada
      is SMALLER THAN the population of CALIFORNIA.

      Think about it. And then stand up and be proud of your Olympians.

      Or hell, sit there and be proud. Eat some back bacon and french toast while you’re at it.

      But appreciate that for a country our size, we’ve got some awesome talent. Eh?

      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • adesbarats says:

      If you looked at our medal count on a per capita basis, we’d be in about 4th place, pretty good I’d say for a northern latitude country in the summer Olympics.

  46. L Elle says:

    A female perspective: Bolt is a beast, what a true Monster is all about, and a stud. 😉

    What our team needs, Bolt on skates in front of either net.

  47. ProHabs says:

    Two points:
    1) I got to say, I am a little disappointed in HIO. It is obvious we are all die hard hockey fans even though it is the summmer months. THere are stories that the crew from HIO could be giving us. Maybe not a new story every day but at least every 2 days. Almost like they are taking us for granted. Maybe Boone has retired already, I don’t know but where are the stories.

    2) Has anyone heard how serious Collberg’s shoulder injury is. Maybe a story the crew from HIO could be looking into and giving us a new story.

    • g says:

      yeah-was thinking the same thing. seems like the PK story has been up for weeks.

      “Long before I ever wore the jersey, I wore the jersey.” Dryden

    • commandant says:

      The Swedish team is tighter lipped than Gauthier when it comes to Collberg’s injury.

      Go Habs Go!
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      • HabFab says:

        Still listed on the roster for the Ivan Hlinka which is next week or is it this weekend coming… whatever. Perhaps they are still hoping he will be ready in time.

        • commandant says:

          Collberg is not eligible for the Hlinka… thats an Under 18 tourney. All those kids will be undrafted (with maybe one or two with birthdays in that weird area where they can play but were drafted in 2012… that isn’t collberg).

          Must be another Collberg. If you are looking at the Hlinka roster

          The team Sebastian Collberg was trying to make was for a small tournament the US puts on every summer for U20 players.

          Go Habs Go!
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    • I looked into the Colberg injury…there is absolutely no news on it anywhere on the web except for on twitter (I looked everywhere). The twitter post just is from a Swedish journalist who seems to know what he is talking about but gave absolutely no details. Apparently the shoulder injury happened several weeks ago. I looked at the official Swedish roster sheet and I can confirm that there is no Sebastian Collberg in the Swedish lineup so I’m convinced that he is indeed injured.

      I posted the original tweets about the injury on my site for anyone interested.

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    • Chris says:

      1) The stories are in London at that little event called the Olympics. That has got Dave Stubbs very busy, and he is the guy that often does the feature interviews.

      2) The players are all spread around the world on their summer vacations. They’ll be back soon enough…enjoy the break. Hockey is a winter sport, not a year-round sport.

      3) The Gazette may or may not take us for granted. All things considered, why shouldn’t they? I certainly have not paid anything for the benefit of taking part in this community. Sure, they get some ad-based revenues…but they are providing a service for free here. I’m a little reluctant to crap on them for not giving me hockey news in the dog-days of August when the Olympics are on and the newspaper is going through a restructuring.

      4) Collberg almost certainly will not be in Montreal this year…he’s playing in Sweden. So does it really matter? I have every confidence that his shoulder will be better by the 2013-14 season.

      • commandant says:

        1, 2, and 3 I agree completely.

        4) I think it does matter. I hope he is not seriously hurt. Development time is important, and I hope he’s ready and 100% for the start of the SEL season.

        Go Habs Go!
        Check out Top Shelf Prospects, my Team by Team prospect reports

        • Chris says:

          It matters whether Collberg is hurt, but I don’t think it is going to seriously harm his development if he misses some time. Shoulder injuries stink, but they are rarely the type of injury that severely impacts a player’s development.

          Worst case scenario, he requires surgery and misses a few months. Given that we haven’t heard anything of surgery, my suspicion is that it is something that will heal with rest and there is no reason to rush him in the summer. The Swedish Elite League season does not start until late September, so there are no meaningful games for a couple of months. I’m not too worried about him, truth be told.

          If he misses some summer tournaments, so be it. I was just more reacting to the idea that HIO is letting us fans down by not giving us news on Collberg when there probably isn’t much news to be had.

      • citizenSanto says:

        Ahhh, the voice of reason, finally.
        As refreshing as a cool drink on a summer day.
        Absolutely perfect.
        Agree wholeheartedly.
        (and a million likes, hearts and thumbs up for this sober and thoughtful post)

        Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are. — Augustine of Hippo

      • boing007 says:

        It’s almost nine months in total beginning with training camp up until the last Stanley Cup match.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  48. Sean Bonjovi says:

    Being the “Fastest Man Alive” is ,IMO the most glorious physical accomplishment a human being can achieve. To be the one,single, exact member of your entire species that is faster than all the others is amazing.

    I would also like to note that there was a Chinese runner who qualified for the semi final and, although he is not the “fastest man alive” that guy is the fastest man from his country, and being “Fastest Man in China” is a pretty damn cool too if you ask me.

    • accp says:

      Rinne is as good as any of them. we won’t see the real Price till he gets a good team in front of him. when that happens . I think he’ll bring back memories of Patrick Roy because he’ll have something to give that little extra for.

  49. naweed235 says:

    to Trini:
    “Price is justfiably recognized as one of the consistently top 3 in the league”
    So you are saying that right now Price is a better goalie than Quick, Thomas, Miller, Lundquist, Rinne and (to piss some people off) Halak?

    • neumann103 says:

      Not directed at me but I’ll bite

      “Et le but!”

      • Lizardking89 says:

        I’d have to agree. In my biased opinion Price is better than all those goalies. I can’t wait till we have all those stud d-men playing in front of him then you’ll see how good he really is.

        • nunacanadien says:

          Price was so good he helped us finish last in our division, over Halak who did what?

          • saskhabfan says:

            You mean the injury prone halak who lost his starting job to elliott who wasn’t even expected to play in the nhl since he was originally give a 2 way contract.

        • boing007 says:

          Ken Dryden has six Stanley Cup rings. No one ever mentions him in the same breath as Patrick Roy on this site. What’s up with that?

          Richard R
          Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • saskhabfan says:

      Would have any of those goalies made the habs even close to a playoff team with the current squad in front of them? And to piss of the halakians,who would have played the other half of the 82 game schedule,ands thats if he can’t actually stay healthy long enough to play his maximum half season.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Quick… yes ..come on even the biggest quick fan cannot elevate him above Price after one playoff run.

      Thomas… yes … Thomas had a year and a half run.
      Miller… yes but not by much.

      Lunquist… I would consider him in that top 3.

      Rinne… ditto.

      Halak who??

      Of course this is my opinion when compared one on one but I think the contention that Price is consistently among the top 3 in the league is shared by many.

      Having said that I dont think that recognition is what we drafted Price #5 fro. We drafted Price to backstop a Stanley Cup Winner by stealing some game sin a playoff run when there is a competive team in front of him and a coach who doesnt make it well nigh impossible. That scenario has not yet played out in Montreal. Until then Price’s full story will not have been written.

      Simply put if MB and MT manage to ice a truly sound team which needs elite level timely goaltending and Price fails then regardless of who likes him or not, his selection as #5 would have been an error.

      • Chris says:

        What the heck does Jonathan Quick have to do?

        His career has been if anything a very nice parallel to Carey Price’s. The worst possible thing you could say is that they are equal. If we’re being really objective, Quick’s credentials look a lot better than Price’s.

        They were drafted in the same year. Over their careers:

        Quick: 249 GP, 131 W, 87 L, 25 OTL, 24 SO, 2.30 GAA, 0.916 SV%, 1 Stanley Cup, 1 Conn Smythe Trophy, 1 Vezina Trophy nomination

        (Playoffs: 32 GP, 20 G, 12 L, 2.12 GAA, 0.926 SV%, 4 SO)

        Price: 271 GP, 124 W, 104 L, 35 OTL, 15 SO, 2.56 GAA, 0.916 SV%

        <Playoffs: 26 GP, 8 W, 18 L, 2.11 GAA, 0.907 SV%, 3 SO)

        Quick’s career stats are equal to or better than Price’s in every single category. He’s hardly a guy that has had one playoff run…he has proven over the past two seasons that he is right there with Lundqvist and Rinne as the best goaltender in the NHL now that Thomas has retired.

      • boing007 says:

        Why not rate Quick higher than Price? As far as achieving the ultimate goal for a NHL netminder Quick has a ring.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

        • saskhabfan says:

          So,would you take niemi or leighton over price as well since one won a cup and the other was in the cup final? Man,these guys who claim to know hockey don’t even know hockey is a team game and it doens’t matter how good your goalie is,you don’t win squat with an average or below average team in front of him.

  50. Psycho29 says:

    Shane Doan wants to stay in Phoenix….

    “Doan reportedly has visited with the Philadelphia Flyers, New York Rangers and Vancouver Canucks.
    Nashville Predators general manager David Poile said this week his team also has interest in the forward but would not require a visit.”


  51. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    I have to say: I will go against the grain in regards to the 2013 draft:
    We are simply not bad enough to get McKinnon

    I have a great deal of reservations about Seth Jones, from what I have read of him on various scouting sites he projects to be a Pronger esque D-Man, That’s raising the bar awfully high, don’t ya think?? Remember: the last D prospect in the USNDTP system to be ranked this high was Erik Johnson, and we all know how well THAT went.

    I still think our best option would be Adam Erne, he would (if panning out) be a physical, skilled winger to play alongside Galchenyuk, effectivly cementing up our top line for the next decade.

    what do you think?

  52. HabinBurlington says:

    So apparantly Brian Burke testified on behalf of Messier in his lawsuit with the Canucks. While this case may indeed have been black and white as Larry Brooks comments in the attached article, you have to wonder how this helps in the Leafs pursuit of Luongo if indeed they are interested.


    • ooder says:

      meh i don’t think it will affect it. i mean the law is above the NHL, so its not worth lying in case of a trade.
      furthermore if the leafs get luongo they wll do vancouver a massive favor

      The 2010-11 Stanley Cup was not won, but given

  53. twilighthours says:


    Jessica Ennis is alright, but I think I prefer Jessica zelinka.

  54. kempie says:

    I’m told that NBC was showing beach volleyball pregame coverage while the 100M was going on. That is truly unbelievable. For many people this is the only 10 seconds of olympic coverage they watch and NBC is asleep at the switch? Wow.

  55. habstrinifan says:

    Has Murray ever beaten Federer? Imagine coming thru at the Olympics. WOW?

    • JF says:

      He’s beaten him several times in 3-set matches but never in a 5-setter. I think what did for Federer was the four-and-a-half hour match he played against Del Potro on Friday. But it is still WOW. Murray has finally proven that he can win the big ones – not that he has the talent, which was never in doubt, but that he has the guts to grab the match and go for it, rather than sit back and pounce on his opponent’s errors, which is his natural tendency.

      • habstrinifan says:

        No “guts to go for it”…”sit back”… sounds like Murray learned from JM.

      • Chris says:

        Really noticing Murray going for it a lot more. Like you said, he has had a tendency in the past to become overly reliant on his superior defence. That is great against the lesser lights, but when he runs into superior defenders like Djokovic, Nadal and Federer who can also pick their opponent apart, he’s had trouble.

        Ever since he’s taken Ivan Lendl on as a coach, he’s really seemed to change his mindset, and his level has been gradually improving. Lendl was always one of my favourite players, so I’m glad to see him back in the sport after a long hiatus away after his retirement.

        • JF says:

          Taking on Ivan Lendl as a coach is probably the smartest thing Murray has done in the last couple of years. Lendl has helped him make changes to his game that were necessary if he was ever going to challenge the top players. I think he has the tools to be right at the top himself or at any rate to win majors. He’s one of the fastest movers and best returners on tour, and he has an elite tennis IQ; he just wasn’t aggressive enough and his self-confidence seemed a bit fragile. But this year, despite disappointing losses at the Australian Open and at Wimbledon, he’s played some of his best tennis. I’ve never seen him play as well in a 5-set match as he did yesterday, and I think he should be able to build on his victory the way Djokovic did a couple of years ago on his role in Serbia’s Davis Cup victory.

  56. HabFab says:

    Team Canada U20 visits Red Square, Charles Hudon is there for Team Canada;

    • savethepuck says:

      Did Beaulieu not make the team, or is he too old?

      Edit; I think I answered my own question, everyone on the roster has 93 and 94 birthdays and he was born December of 92.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  57. accp says:

    MB just found our newest left winger. could be a dandy

  58. HabinBurlington says:

    So I respect Phelps for all his medals, but somehow to me being the fastest man in the world 2 Olympics in a row is a greater feat. Congrats to Usain Bolt!

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I love HIO. I don’t need to watch the Olympics, I get all that I need to know right here.

      This isn’t “Billionaires vs. Millionaires.” Only a willfully uninformed fool would apply that sloppy shorthand designation to this disgraceful power grab crafted by some of the wealthiest individuals and corporate entities in North America aimed against professional athletes.–Larry Brooks of the New York Post


    • savethepuck says:

      The guy is definately a phenom. The amazing thing is that when he runs, he looks like he’s not even exerting himself.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

      • kempie says:

        It seems like he never gets a great start. He looks average in the first half then destroys the field in the last 50M. He also looks about 7 feet tall. Big lanky geezer with a big stride. I thought his qualifying heat was also very impressive.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I go with all Olympians as deserving recognitions for ‘great’.

      All except the real professionals from the real professional leagues.NBA/Hockey/Tennis… and OMG soon at an Olympics near you Golf.

      Look at yesterday HabinBrlington. The British athletes who won gold. I felt the same wow factor for them.

      And I am taking back my comment a week or so ago re the Canadians. I think they are doing much better than we could have hoped for. I dont know why we lag in so many summer sports (the population size is a red herring) but accepting that we do, then the team is doing very well.

    • habsfan0 says:

      Can Bolt skate?

    • commandant says:

      Phelps is the first swimmer to win the same event 3 olympics in a row…. the 200m IM.

      Bolt is the third sprinter to win the 100m in 2 straight olympics.

      I still gotta go with Phelps

      Go Habs Go!
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      • HabinBurlington says:

        I realize that, but to me the epitomy of Olympics is the Strongest and Fastest. Fastest Man in the world is quite the title. Phelps is fastest swimmer, has a different ring to it. And I don’t really want to get into whether or not Carl Lewis was legit in his Gold Medal run especially the one against Johnson.

  59. SmartDog says:

    Dudes from below. Yah, Jessica Ennis is hot.

    But I’m still dreaming about HER:

    And slo-mo with sexy music (for you pervs):
    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • habstrinifan says:

      Maybe one of the smart people here can help me. What is the number of times that I can watch this video, ‘properly inspired’ and not be considered a dirty old pervert. I am up to 22 now thanks to you Smart Dog.

      Also how can I make Jessica my avatar? That should get my posts more attention than John Bellyful.. maybe approaching Commandant ‘must read’ status.

      Oh by the way where is Tom Nickel? I havent seen him since this video was first linked here. Maybe old Tom went down under.

      • SmartDog says:

        I think you’re in trouble past 10 or 12.

        Of course I’m saying that because I think I’m at about 8 or 9. 🙂

        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        As a full-blooded male trini, you come equipped with faculties that empower you to appreciate beauty in all its forms. It’s perfectly okay for you to gaze upon beauty and, uh, appreciate it, as long as it doesn’t hurt you or your loved ones. And the object of your appreciation.


        This isn’t “Billionaires vs. Millionaires.” Only a willfully uninformed fool would apply that sloppy shorthand designation to this disgraceful power grab crafted by some of the wealthiest individuals and corporate entities in North America aimed against professional athletes.–Larry Brooks of the New York Post


    • kempie says:

      Gold medal in the 100M warmup.

  60. habstrinifan says:

    I would like to return to the question discussed yesterday re Gomez and Rick DiPietro.

    Rick Di Pietro was smartly removed from the Injured Reserve list by the Islanders recently. This gave them an extended period between now and October to demonstrate that DiPietro WAS off the injury list.
    Thus, unless DiPietro had opposing medical proof, the Islanders can rightly claim in October that DiPietro, despite not having played a game all year, was healthy. This is important because if there is a lockout in October, the Islanders will not have to pay DiPietro. If he had stayed on the IR the team would have had to pay him despite the lockout. Injured players must be paid.

    Gomez was diagnosed with a concussion on March 14/2012 and placed on the IR on March 23/2012 and missed the balance of the season, including the playoffs. (Just checking if you were still awake… the whole damn team missed the playoffs).

    My question is what is the current status of Gomez. It is notoriously difficult to declare a player as fully ‘healed’ from a concussion. But Gomez has been out doing stuff which would support conclusions that he is in fact OK.

    So if the HABS havent yet, should they NOT remove him from IR thus giving themslves, like the Islanders, this elongated time period for Gomez’s health to be ‘unquestioned’ come October.
    I know it sounds mean.

    But from a dollars and cents basis, the HABS should put themselves in the same position as the Islanders and ensure that they would NOT have to pay Gomez thru any lockout.

    Of course if the habs has already done so this has been one helluva of useless exercise in posting.

    • SmartDog says:

      This seems pretty obvious for the Habs to be on top of.

      My paranoid brain is saying that if Gomez wanted to, he’d claim he still has symptoms to STAY on IR so that he DOES get a paycheck whatever happens.

      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

      • habstrinifan says:

        Exactly! Which is why I say force the issue sooner than later.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I think Scott Gomez is caught in a dilemma if he were that dishonest. If he did prolong his recovery and claim to still have concussion symptoms, he could not do any physical conditioning. He might be able to draw a few paycheques while on IR, but it would effectively end his NHL career when play resumed and he found himself even further behind the play. If he does train hard, he will be found to no longer be suffering any symptoms, be pronounced fit, and then be locked out like everyone else.

          In any case we’re dealing in hypotheticals, there’s no indication that Mr. Gomez up to any skullduggery, we heard that he was doing his summer conditioning program, so we shouldn’t fret over this issue too much.

          This isn’t “Billionaires vs. Millionaires.” Only a willfully uninformed fool would apply that sloppy shorthand designation to this disgraceful power grab crafted by some of the wealthiest individuals and corporate entities in North America aimed against professional athletes.–Larry Brooks of the New York Post


          • nunacanadien says:

            Apparently the truth is Scott Gomez cut his finger signing off on his caviar and champagne before the game, his butler was careless, so he asked to be put on injured reserve, you never know with this horrible paper cuts these billionaire hockey players receive….could mess with the manicure and the tone down rub and of course we can’t have Gomez work up a sweat now can we, he may get sweat in his eye……

  61. ooder says:

    woah i just noticed this phil kessel was a PPG player last season with 82 in 82. Although his person results are great
    going to Toronto was such a career killer for him due to that inept team
    The 2010-11 Stanley Cup was not won, but given

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Kessel is one year older than Pacioretty and Subban. When he was 21, some TO media types mocked him for being tongue tied in interviews. These troglodytes really don’t deserve skilled players like Kessel and Mats Sundin.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • ooder says:

        agreed… to come back and play hockey so well espeically after having testicle cancer and losing one because of it is very impressive

        The 2010-11 Stanley Cup was not won, but given

  62. Un Canadien errant says:

    Interesting reading the post linked by Commandant on the Top 3 prospects for the Florida Panthers. They include Jacob Markstrom, the 22 year old 6’6″ goalie who we can remember from last season when he stoned the Canadiens in a 2-1 loss that was the seventh in eight games to start the season. Another is Nick Bjugstad, a 6’5″ center who will play another season in the NCAA before trying on the NHL for size.

    Interesting if you’re a Canucks fan and hope that the Roberto Luongo situation can be resolved soon and relatively cleanly. The only teams reputedly in the market for his services are the Toronto Maple Leafs, and it’s debatable whether Roberto would waive his No Trade Clause to facilitate this move, or the Florida Panthers. The Panthers are the more natural fit, since Roberto played there a few seasons, and his wife’s family is from there and she still resides there mostly.

    The problem rests in the compensation the Canucks would expect in return from the Panthers. Apparently the Canucks want Mr. Bjugstad, to which the Panthers are saying “Not in a million years.” He is the kind of large centreman every team wants, and now that he’s almost finished his apprenticeship as a Golden Gopher, and he’s developed as they hoped he would when they drafted him, they’re not about to give him up for a goalie for which there is no bidding war. Further, they already have two goalies on their roster in José Théodore and Scott Clemmensen, and Jacob Markstrom as a very talented prospect who is near NHL-ready, so the Canucks don’t really have them over a barrel in this negotiation.

    As a hockey fan on the West Coast, it would be great if the Canucks could pull this off, in ridding the team of a distraction/controversy and a big contract, and acquiring a big forward who would complement their talent up front. If I’m going to be forced to watch Canucks hockey, I might as well watch an exciting team which has a chance to go deep in the playoffs, and such a trade would be a step in the right direction. Unfortunately that’s not in the cards right now, and the Canucks will either have to bite the bullet and ‘dump’ Mr. Luongo for whatever they can in return, or hold on to him and hope that an injury or other circumstances create a market for his services.

    It’s also interesting in that when you have a farm system replete with assets, you don’t come across as desperate in trade talks. The Panthers can choose to add a quality veteran like Roberto Luongo at the right price, or decide to go with what they have, which is a great position to be in. We can hope that our system which is rounding into form will provide us with the same insulation against desperate dealings in the trade market in the future.

    This isn’t “Billionaires vs. Millionaires.” Only a willfully uninformed fool would apply that sloppy shorthand designation to this disgraceful power grab crafted by some of the wealthiest individuals and corporate entities in North America aimed against professional athletes.–Larry Brooks of the New York Post

    • commandant says:

      I don’t think the Panthers will blink.

      I think that if they acquire Luongo, and that is an if, we won’t see a Bjustad or Markstrom moving the other way.

      I think it might be Clemmensen to back up Schneider plus a prospect… or maybe even just the prospect and they move Jose Theodore to the Leafs or Chicago.

      The prospect? I think Vancouver should look at Quinton Howden, or perhaps Drew Shore or Alex Petrovic.

      Florida is prospect rich… they have so much there, but the three guys I profiled today… Huberdeau, Markstrom, Bjustad are all legit blue chippers and it sounds like they have 0 interest in moving them.

      Go Habs Go!
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    • Lafleurguy says:

      Somehow, it’s unlikely that Dale Tallon hasn’t heard of the Scott Gomez/Ryan McDonagh deal. If a younger, more agile Luongo couldn’t win with a strong Stanley Cup contender the Canucks have been for three years running, he won’t be of much value to an evolving team that made the playoffs once in 11 years, six of which Luongo was their number one, and sorry for this runon sentence. Luongo should eat some humble pie, and accept a trade to the Flyers or some other contending team that can afford him (yes, the Flyers have huge dollars tied up with Bryzgalov, who has never let in 11 goals in a playoff game).

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I think we need to remember that Roberto isn’t forcing the Canucks to trade him, he’s accepted to waive his No Trade Clause. In return he wants to go to a team that suits him, in terms of geographic location and/or ability to compete for a Cup. This is an important distinction, he’s not being a jerk like Rick Nash, by demanding a trade yet tying his team’s hands by severely limiting the number of teams he would accept as a destination. In fact, he’s being a good guy and stepping aside graciously, for the good of the team and Corey Schneider. Props to him.

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