P.K. helps Haiti

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Pat Hickey writes: “P.K. Subban and former Canadien Georges Laraque are in Haiti this week to raise awareness of the ongoing problems created by the earthquake that devastated the country in January 2010.” (Photo courtesy of World Vision)

Tom Pyatt signs a two-way deal with Canadiens South

Langenbrunner, Arnott sign with St. Louis

Burke knocks Richards deal

Vancouver signs Marco Sturm

294 Comments

  1. Bill H says:

    Good for PK. He’s a class act. I am sure the Haitian community in Montreal appreciates his efforts too. Good for Georges Laraque too.

  2. GrimJim says:

    PK audio about Haiti…
    hhttp://www.fan960.com/ondemand/media.jsp?content=20110706_190742_8932
    From Calgary sports radio. It’s 10 minutes long.

  3. GenerationYHabs says:

    I really wish they would add a “new” notification on posts or atleast update the topic more often. Even though I see there’s new posts, when it’s this big it’s nearly impossbile to find them.

  4. SeriousFan09 says:

    So apparently, Mike Commodore is considering wearing No. 64 on his Red Wings Jersey. So it’ll basically be the best computer geek pun of all time if he does that.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  5. Mattyleg says:

    Okay, what generous soul would care to fill me in on this Blunden chappie?

    (EDIT) Never mind, just read SF09’s thumbnail of him below.
    Should be interesting.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  6. nek25plus says:

    Habs acquire Blunden (6’4 forward shoots right) from /columbus for Ryan Russell….

  7. thepatriot says:

    habs trade russel for blunden per canadiens.ca

  8. Neutral says:

    I’d rather have skill and speed any day than fighting at the same time you gotta be able to play tough or get beat around. come playoff time be tough or an early exit….

  9. pierre lapuck says:

    Dudes, I don’t remember seeing any fights in the playoffs, so what exactly would cement-hands slowfoot Larock actually do besides waste valuable ice-time for a hockey player?
    As far as “getting” to the playoffs; if this team has to fight and scrap rather than play hockey in order to get to the playoffs I’ll have already stopped watching. I recognize that some fighting will occur and the pushing and shoving and running into the boards etc will always occur; but the act of smashing a guy into a glass wall is not an act of toughness. The tough guy is the smashee who scores the goal why the moron who hit him (Lucic Chara etc) watches from the penalty box.

    • bleublancrouge says:

      You forget that the smasher has to actually be sent to the box but as we know you are allowed to spear players in the neck while taking the offensive zone

    • Habitforming says:

      never mind :D

    • JayBee says:

      The key is to get tough guys who can play. Thornton looked pretty damn good, didn’t he?

      I don’t get why the pacifists act like it’s one or the other. Did any of you watch the Habs before 95? Good grief. No one here wants a team full of goons so please stop acting like we do. Not picking on you…just speaking to those who think you can’t have well rounded teams.

  10. joeybarrie says:

    Can someone explain to me why so many wanted Konopka on our roster so badly???
    Did absolutely nothing with the NYI last season, cause they went nowhere. He simply racked up a ton of penalties. Had less hits than AK and still managed to end up a -14 despite being in the box for 4 minutes a game…
    He isnt even that big, he is smaller than Wiz.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

    • HabinBurlington says:

      You really want to drag his name back through this forum again?

      • joeybarrie says:

        I cant scroll down more than 20 posts and not see his name 5 times. So whats the difference. I am just curious why so many think he has such a key solution for this team. Its almost like we didn’t sign Sundin or didn’t trade for Hossa…

        There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

        • HabinBurlington says:

          He would have added grit, faceoff skill, pk and some character to the team. However, there are big question marks regarding his skating ability and whether or not he could curb the penalty minutes in order to fit into JM’s system. Needless to say there was primarily two camps of people on this one, Sign em now, and Don’t ever sign em. PG opted NOT.

  11. Chris F says:

    Seems like there’s still debate on here regarding the importance of toughness, and/or the importance of having an enforcer on the team.
    It’s unfortunate that the deal given to BGL has had such a negative impact on the current management team. The fact that the guy just didn’t play for us, or couldn’t because of his physical problems, and didn’t get the job done, ie: the embarassment against Lucic, has left a bad taste in managements mouth for acquiring someone who can’t play a regular shift.
    Well, we still need to get tougher, the league hasn’t changed, and we are still too small. Cole helps, but again, we will be beat up before teams like Boston will roll over and let us beat them with skill. It makes me sick how year after year we continue to ice a one-dimensional team. By that, (before anyone gets their panties tied in a knot) I mean that in order for us to win a seven game series, we have to be playing a team that will try to out-skate us. We will win this series more often than not I believe.
    However, for those of you who think the acquisition of Emelin, and for those of you saying PK is not small, or others who say it’s about “team” toughness-players standing up for themselves…………………wah, wah, wah, wah.
    Yeah, no doubt you have to have players on your team that will stand up for their teammates. But, just as important, is having players that are stronger, bigger, and tougher than the opposition. A playoff series in the NHL is not soccer. Lionel Messi does not have to worry about his head being taken off every time he touches the ball.
    Emelin is not the intimidating force we need on D, he may turn out to be a tougher version of Gorges, which would be great. But the last time we had toughness on D, their names were Souray and Boullion. That’s been a while. Not counting BGL, when was the last time we had a true monster up front who simply could go into the corner with anyone and get the puck?
    Hilarious how some posters on here say, “I’d rather have someone that can come out of the corner with skill, and make a great pass”, sure, sure, and those posters have never played a game of competitive contact hockey in their lives. Period.
    We have enough puck movers. We have enough speed, we have enough little guys. If PG fails to address this need, we will not go far in the playoffs, and we will not finish higher than the gooins in the regular season. Unless that little troll plays to his real potential this year in net for the gooins. And I believe this will happen, write it down.
    Bottom line is this, we have improved considerably with a healthy Markov, Patches, Cole signing, and a much better Gomez which I believe will be the case. But, if we ice a team without someone other than White and Moen who can fight back, it’s just not enough.
    On a seperate not, I believe PG is going to sign Ryan Johnson out of Chicago. Seems like that kind of player pg will go after, simply replace Halpern.

    • TomNickle says:

      I played competitive hockey for 20 years and coached it for just under the same and I’d rather have a guy who can make a pass than a guy who can fight. I’m not saying that I don’t want somebody who can fight on my team. But when it comes down to it. I’ll take the skilled guy over the fighter every day of the week.

      You’re saying Bob Gainey never played hockey?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Well so far the only teams that spoke with Ryan Johnson are Chicago, Vancouver and Tampa. He is a good 4th line centre man. Tough honest hard working guy.

    • joeybarrie says:

      I don’t think its about having a few players on the team who are tough. I think its about having a good balance that works with your particular style of play.
      The injuries we have sustained in the last 2 seasons forced us to play with a skeleton team. We were not that difficult to play against cause we didn’t have the depth in our offensive ammo.
      We became special team specialists.
      So far the move or NON moves PG has made is addressing this. And he is adding size and grit.
      Erik Cole is what the doctor ordered. A top 2 line player with some size. Guys like AK, MaxPac, Cole, PK, and Markov are hard to knock off the puck. Last season we ended up with only 2 of those top players. 4th line size is great, but its rarely where we score goals, and quite simply that is the hole this team has.
      Even then on the bottom lines we have White, Moen, Eller and Darche. Say what you will about Eller and Darche, they fight hard for the puck, and give it everything they have. Darche is often winning battles that we don’t expect to win, and often a goal or good chance comes from it. Eller is not small, and is coming into his own. For his limited ice time, he has his fair share of hits and then some…

      There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  12. Neutral says:

    Laroque probably gonna teach PK how to Scrap

  13. Neutral says:

    George is probably gonna teach PK how to Scrap

  14. SeriousFan09 says:

    Trade official of AHL players: Columbus’s RW Mike Blunden for MTL’s C/RW Ryan Russell.

    Mike Blunden is a 6’3″, 207lb RH shot player who battled injury last season, but has had similar scoring clips to Ryan Russell in terms of PPG production. He offers more size and potentially a 4th-line role according to some estimates.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  15. nick says:

    Habs acquire Michael Blunden from Columbus in return for Ryan Russell.

  16. thehabsfan29 says:

    Really like the blunden deal

    do u think he will crack the lineup this season or stay with the bulldogs?

  17. natethegreat says:

    montreal just signed Brian Willsie? who is he??

  18. Mike D says:

    Former Hamilton Bulldogs goalie Drew MacIntyre was not re-signed by the Habs and has signed on with the Sabres organization for a one year, 2-way deal.

    We lost MacIntyre and Sanford, and re-signed/signed Delmas and Lawson.

    – Honestly yours

  19. Ali says:

    so we wouldnt sign konopka for 700k, but will give up a prospect for Blunden? makes sense to me!

    Oh Captain my Captain…

      • Ali says:

        via @Aportzline
        Aaron Portzline Dispatch: #CBJ close to a trade that would send RW Mike Blunden to Montreal for minor-league F Ryan Russell, twin brother of Kris Russell.

        also a mea culpa, this kid is younger and has more upside, im actually optimistic. but he needs work in his own end, and that wont make JM happy if he screws up a lot.

        Oh Captain my Captain…

        • TomNickle says:

          That’s an instant yes for Gauthier. Thanks for that.

          • Ali says:

            no worries, and another update:

            @Aportzline;
            Blunden for Russell deal will be finalized once Blunden passes a physical with Montreal docs, likely later today.

            Oh Captain my Captain…

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Russell wasn’t that much of a prospect anyway, three seasons in the AHL never cracking 40 points and he didn’t exactly offer a size upgrade to MTL at 5’10”. This is just one of those minor-league swaps to me ATM.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • Ali says:

            he put up 21pts in 37 ahl games last year and played 40 in the show the year before, seems like he could do no worse than pyatt.

            Oh Captain my Captain…

    • thebigguy says:

      This was hardly an either/or proposition.

  20. derfab says:

    Nashville may have screwed themselves, or maybe they`re just trying to get rid of sergei. Some decent prospects could be set free.

    Burke has a good point about the cap. It allows Visa into the picture, making it a cap for some.

  21. Bash says:

    Fighting is a part of Canadian hockey. Intimidation is part of Canadian hockey. When we could not beat other countries with skill we gooned our way to victory. Bobby Clarke is not my hero.

    Intelligent posters agree that the Olympics offer the best entertainment, without fighting.

    Those who pine for bloodsport are idiots.

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      I never saw a better tournament than the 2010 Olympics. Everyone was competitive, even the 10, 12th-ranked countries gave it their all and the hockey was outstanding, the Great Game was played and we got to enjoy it without the sideshow antics that the dinosaurs insist is necessary for it’s integrity.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Also, the Olympics were the most watched hockey event ever. In Canada I mean – not just worldwide.

      Canadians preferred Olympic thug-free hockey to the NHL’s goon show.

    • derfab says:

      I am not a fan of the nhl Olympics. Much hype and promo for a few good games that slick old pros steal from young prospects around the world. much as it bothers me to say it, Canada floated in Vancouver. The Canada Cup and any round of the playoffs trumps it.

      • TomNickle says:

        Yeah Canada sure floated in that shootout game with Switzerland and the Gold Medal overtime game against the US. They sure as hell didn’t come out with any passion against the Russians either.

        By not being a fan did you mean that you didn’t watch?

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Clean hard checking hockey is not gooning.
      Euro players are covered with bruises and welts from the stick work.

      I only wish the world were as black and white as you seem to think. Must make life easy for you.

      I will say I agree we should have gone to Olympic size ice 20 years ago when we started building mega rinks.

      • ed lopaz says:

        agree 100% on the bigger ice surface.

        I think someone should be commissioned to put together an analysis of how much that would cost??

        I think international sized ice would change the pro game entirely, and for the better.

        Its simple science.

        you give bigger, faster players more room to move, and they will move faster than ever.

        Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

        • TomNickle says:

          The IIHF gaining governing control over all professional and amateur hockey is the best thing that could happen for the game.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Are you sure, Tom? FIFA might be considered a comparable organisation, and it would not inspire confidence.

            There’s a reference above to NHL “dinosaurs” — perhaps a few extinctions and some new bodies might gradually allow the NHL to evolve further.

            Sorry if I seem to jump topics, but when I think back to Marchand repeatedly punching Sedin — with impunity — I think of all the penalties the Bruins didn’t receive, perhaps suspensions as well, and wonder could they have actually progressed through the playoffs and won the cup under normal officiating conditions. It was the league that suspended those conditions, giving rise to the paradox of a league which is custodian of a game’s rules actually waiving those rules, thereby putting its primary assets, the players, at risk, and at the game’s most prominent time of the year with the biggest viewership.

            The logical extension would be for the custodian — which clearly considers the rules deficient — to CHANGE the rules so as to accommodate spearing, boarding, cross-checking, slashing, punching, head-hits etc. It would at least be honest!

            And eventually working my way all the way back to your point: I guess if the IIHF could sort that out, it would be worth risking be subject to an organisation that might prove to be as corrupt and inefficient as FIFA.

            Was it you who answered me a couple of days ago when I asked whether Shanahan might make a difference? Whoever it was said, none whatsoever.

            You’d despair. The Bruins had talent and character and amazing goal-tending, so I would like to have seen how they would have fared in the playoffs if the refs had NOT “put away their whistles”. In the event, their victory was as much a win for the leagues UFC-envy and hypocrisy.

            I wandered a bit, but I’m sure you’ll get me (tho’ not suggesting you’d agree with all).
            Cheers

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            double post

  22. TomNickle says:

    So Hobie Hansen says that if you don’t like fighting. Watch another sport. It, after all, has been part of the game for over 100 years.

    And I, as someone who is opposed to fighting, would be much better served by watching a sport where the athletes compete in tights. Because I’m not tough. I’d rather sip my cup of tea as Don Cherry says.

    For what it’s worth, and people can scrutinize or doubt however they want. I’ve sent enough players to fight from a bench position that I lost count a long time ago. I also have a very good friend who fought for me on a few occasions. In one game we were playing only twenty minutes from where I currently live. I checked a player from behind into the boards due to a late turn on the other players’ part. Before an opposing player could get to me, he being arond 6’4 and me being a bulky 5’10, my friend who went around 6’3 – 220 at the time stepped in front of him. Took a little more than a half dozen punches to the face and went down in a bloody heap for me. He threw up in the dressing room due to his concussion. Didn’t know where he was and found out a month later that he had severe damage to his eye. Severe enough that he couldn’t become a policeman as a result. He now has a modest job as the manager of retail sports store which saw his potential earnings as an adult plummet.

    Hobie. And others of this neanderthal like opinion. You have no idea or haven’t taken the time to see how severe the impact fighting has on the lives of the players. The players aren’t greater than the game, but their safety is. And this is a long term health issue, not just a broken orbital bone, or a concussion, or a bloody lip, or a broken hand. This is fighting causing concussions. Which in turn cause dementia. Which cause anti-social behaviour, mental health problems and physical problems which lead to criminal behaviour, drug seeking, and death.

    I don’t care if you want to keep burying your head in the sand and ignore these issues. But you have no place telling somebody to switch to another sport that doesn’t want fighting a part of it. It’s time for a change.

    But who cares about their lives as long as you’re entertained right? Who cares if Ryan White can’t cut a steak when he’s fifty, as long as you got the thrill of him beating up Johnny Boychuk. All is well.

    As long as fighting is allowed. I want guys who can fight. But I will never again want fighting to be part of hockey. And there’s a huge difference.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Right on Tom, right the **** on.

      Derek Boogaard died this year due to his ongoing battle with drugs and alcohol that is a common story for many enforcers in the NHL. Do we really think Bob Probert’s drinking and drug abuse didn’t contribute to his dying at 45 of a heart attack? Why should these men die so early so yahoos can cheer on a bareknuckle fight that has consequences they can’t see or care less about?

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • Kooch7800 says:

        Probert also had brain damage as well. I read his book. He actually seemed like an arsehole. I really like the theo fluery book….probert’s book was not so good.

        The writing was all over the place and you really don’t connect with him as a person

    • Mike D says:

      That’s quite a story, Tom. I’m sorry to hear what happened to your friend – it really is a shame.

      – Honestly yours

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Well said Tom.

      I note that the “if you don’t like it watch tennis” argument is a favourite of Brian Burke’s and Don Cherry’s.

      It’s ridiculous. Like saying if you don’t like drunk driving stay home at night.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      There are a dozen other dangerous sports like hockey that the players involved put themselves at risk. Should we take the speed out of NASCAR, should they take tackling out of football, Shold they take the jumping out of Equestrian?

      The players and families know the risks and if they aren’t willing to take them…switch sports.

      • TomNickle says:

        You just put a fight on a level playing field as driving fast and a football tackle. Where skating fast and bodychecks are far more appropriate.

        They don’t know the risks Hobie. That’s the point. The consequences are only starting to come out now. Which is why now is time for a change. Sorry if the proper action takes away from the entertainment value for you. But it’s time.

        Lacrosse and Hockey are the only sports that I know that allow fighting.

      • GenerationYHabs says:

        The only difference being that those are all fundamental parts of their given sport, where fighting is Not a fundamental part of hockey… otherwise it wouldn’t be penalized.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Like I said guys. Nobody is forcing you to watch!

          You are in the minority!

          If it breaks your heart that people are well aware that there is fighting in the game that they are getting paid millions of dollars to play and are getting hurt, I don’t know what to tell you.

          Cry me a river!

          And i can’t wait for the first good scap of the season!!!!

          LONG LIVE HOCKEY FIGHTS YEAH!!!!

          • christophor says:

            Reasonable thing to do: Disagree with someone about how to improve the game and explain why.

            Douchey thing to do: Tell someone they should abandon the sport they care enough about to want to make better.

          • GenerationYHabs says:

            Don’t get me wrong Hobbie, I’m not against fighting in the NHL but if it were removed I wouln’t lose sleep over it either.

            My point was that you make fighting sound like a fundamental part of the sport when its not. Hockey would still be hockey if fighting was completely banned but Nascar wouldn’t be the same if you implemented a 20mph speed limit on the track.

            The nhl ALLOWS fighting to take place, it doesn’t require it.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Bare knuckle fighting is not to hockey what speed is to car racing.

      • GrimJim says:

        NASCAR, at the fastest speedways Daytona and Talledega, forces its teams to use a restrictor plate that limits top speed due to safety reasons. NFL implemented penalties on hits to the head when too many QBs were being knocked out of the game due to concessions. There were also changes to crack-back blocking due to the damage it was causing to players knees. And the CFL just implemented a rule to eliminate blocking below the waist down field after a completed pass for safety reasons.

    • A. Berke says:

      Fully agree, excellent post and opinion.
      Sorry about your friend, hope he has better days in the future.

      Cheers,

      Ali B.

    • JayBee says:

      Unfortunately you need fighting because:

      a) The league has no idea how to dicipline players.
      b) Poor officiating.
      c) Players have 0 respect for each other.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        And it’s damn fun to watch! You ever see somebody sitting down during a hockey fight.

        They players and fans absolutely love it!

        • TomNickle says:

          The players and fans love it is a wildly incorrect generalization. The replies in this post should have shown you that.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Tom, I’m not going to let 5 people who I know nothing about sway my opinion.

            It is well known that a select group of people on this site have decided to embrace Montreal’s decision over the last few seasons to go with a smaller and softer team as the way to go when in fact the 29 other teams, including the cup winner think the complete opposite.

          • TomNickle says:

            Montreal’s team direction has nothing to do with the fact that you are making generalizations and speaking for fans and NHl players that you don’t know.

            The only thing more offensive than your opinion, is the way you think you’re supporting it by saying that your opinion is a majority opinion when there is absolutely no evidence to support that claim.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Tom you puff out your chest and get a few people on a HIO site that do nothing but sit back and look and stats and that have probably never played the game or thrown a punch in their lives to agree with you.

            Big deal.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            In fact Hobie you don’t sound like the kind of guy who lets arguments sway your position.

          • TomNickle says:

            Hobie. It’s rare that somebody agrees with me on this site. You’re really reaching here.

        • myron.selby says:

          I record all Habs games & watch them typically 45 minutes to an hour behind real time. Mainly it’s because I get home from work after the puck drop but it also allows me to skip commercials and stoppages.

          The other thing I skip is fights. To me, fights just slow the momentum of the game and waste valuable time. If I want to see 2 grown men throw punches at one another, there are quite a few bars here in town where that’s a fairly regular occurence. I don’t go to those bars because it’s a stupid and juvenile form of behavior and holds zero interest for me. So why should it be any more interesting when it’s done in the context of a hockey game?

          So I guess according to you I’m not a real fan. If your favorite part of hockey is fighting, maybe you’re the one who should switch sports. Might I suggest MMA where the whole point of the exercise is for 2 people to damage each other as much as possible. I mean if we’re talking blood sports, why waste time with all that chasing a puck around between fights?

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        The “Policemen Era” did not deter Dale Hunter or Gary Suter, or Bobby Clarke, or any of the other nasty cases that went around doing as they pleased.

        Officiating does have to improve, but fighting has not curbed dangerous incidents. Torres and Cooke proved that this season.

        And enough with this ‘respect’ nonsense. Beating someone up doesn’t change anything about how much they’ll respect you.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • JayBee says:

          When you know a player can beat your ass if you go after their guys, you play a little differently. Fighting isn’t going to stop every single cheap shot, but it damn sure stops a lot of em.

          I don’t go over the speed limit cuz I don’t want a $200 ticket and my license taken away.

          If they got rid of the instigator, Cooke wouldn’t even be eating through a straw right now. If the league can’t get it right, then let the players police themselves.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Chris Chelios on Brian Propp, 1989. Ulf Samuelsson on Cam Neely, 1991. Two of the most brutal incidents you can name and guess what, pre-instigator and nothing happened to them. Bobby Clarke’s career, using his stick like a weapon and just hiding behind his fight-willing teammates when it came time to answer for it. Dale Hunter’s antics began well before the Instigator Rule. Gary Suter much the same.

            You’re romanticizing an era of hockey that never existed.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

    • LA Loyalist says:

      “As long as fighting is allowed. I want guys who can fight. But I will never again want fighting to be part of hockey.” – Tom Nickle

      Beautifully put, Tom, if you don’t mind me quoting you. The bottom line though is the NHLPA has to step up and demand consistent, predictable enforcement.

      Do you guys think we will ever see that? The only way to end the cheap stuff is to call it. Every time, and call it hard – and fairly.

      • TomNickle says:

        As long as former NHL players or executives are making the decisions. No.

        I don’t mind you quoting me. I would mind if you misquoted me.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Well said Tom, and sorry about your friend.

      If we allow ourselves — if we allow testosterone and machismo to govern us — then we’re only marginally separated from the Roman coliseum, with families hurrying to the best seats for the best view of death and mutilation, somehow all rationalised, selfishly choosing to ignore the consequences for the participants.
      I rail against the league above, could have included the CBC and what it openly endorses with its choice of commentators.

      Someone below says proper ant-fighting rules would be hard to enforce; someone a few days ago suggested straightforward suspensions which double in duration with each ensuing infraction. There are lots of ways. But the league needs to want it first.

      It’s a pity Hobie H drops out below because he is not just speaking for himself but for the many who prefer to see fighting continue. It’s a discussion that needs to keep happening. I’d like people who favour fighting to think about various other instincts we accept need controlling: we might feel like punching an obnoxious cab-driver, but we don’t; like grabbing a passing shapely buttock; like pissing on the Metro; like seeing food and taking and eating it but not paying for it. But we don’t. I believe we should add to that, giving in to angry rushes of testosterone and adrenalin so that we cheer on our guy punching their guy. It’s there but it’s primitive. Cherry thinks letting the primitive loose is ok. I just don’t.

  23. Cardiac says:

    I’m throwing it out there…

    Mike Comrie to replace Jeff Halpern. The guy was a stud in Edmonton and he’s still relatively young. He had a bad hip last season and mono the year before.

    Even if his production has gone down, he signed for only 500k last year with Pittsburgh.

    • ed lopaz says:

      mike comrie is a prima donna

      : a vain or undisciplined person who finds it difficult to work under direction or as part of a team

      Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

    • Newf_Habster says:

      He is already retired from NHL.

      • frozengolf says:

        If not Comrie, what about Chris Drury? He would add a good veteran presence. Would probably come (relatively) cheap too.

        The three important elements of hockey are: forecheck, backcheck and paycheck.

    • derfab says:

      Comrie has been diminished by serious hip issues.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I could see why you’d be tempted, but no. Mr. Comrie is a selfish player who never lived up to his own hype. Even if he was healthy I wouldn’t take him on our team.

      ———————————
      Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  24. RiverviewCanadien says:

    PK Subban, what a kid. Awesome that he takes time out in the offseason, the only time he could really have a break (while still having to keep a training regimen), to bring back awareness.

    Had to say that.

    But for those below talking about Chara not being a good fighter, he may not be quick, but if you can’t land a strong punch first…good luck gaining the upper hand. Ask Gill http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFrX-dLQ_pQ

    I am not sure if we have anyone that can stand up to that guy. Konopka would have been creamed…Souray can stand on his own…imagine having both these guys on your team http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL9-grC6ah0

  25. thehabsfan29 says:

    Habs sign Brian Willsie to a 1 year deal

    he had 30 goals in the AHL last season

    very solid veteran

  26. HabFanSince72 says:

    Hab prospect Andrew Conboy clotheslines an opponent from behind. He was kicked off his team and later had to leave Michigan State.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI-sYE1DsMs

    He’s still on our team though. So let’s stop pretending we’re so good.

  27. JayBee says:

    Posted this earlier. Had to remove a bunch of youtube clips:

    See, when I talk about grit and toughness this is what I mean… Watch these clips.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMPx4Dcmo2o&feature=relmfu

    Remember when we had players that stuck up for each other? None of these guys are goons. They just know protocol. I love the Habs but I hate what they’ve become and I have a good feeling it’s Martin telling them not to get involved.

    With Max laying on the ice…..what do you think Komi, Souray, Begin, etc would have done?

    I like White and Moen, but need a couple more guys who CAN PLAY and also drop the gloves.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Komisarek never had more than 7 fights in a season and that was in 2011, prior to that he never had more than 5. Souray never averaged over 5 fights in a season in the last decade. Steve Begin? Never more than 4 fights in a season in the last decade.

      And all three of them would have been zipped up in a body bag if they went with Chara.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Not Souray. Like Robinson he didn’t fight often but when he did – watch out.

        • TomNickle says:

          I agree with that. And Souray earned himself a reputation with New Jersey that you didn’t want to fight him. His presence was helpful.

        • LA Loyalist says:

          Good point. Robinson, Nilan, Ferguson – didn’t need to fight very often. The nuclear deterrent, which is what Laraque was supposed to be. Just because he didn’t work out doesn’t obviate the point.

          There are hilarious bits in Dryden’s book though of him making fun of Robinson finger-pointing instead of actually getting into it. Really funny.

      • ed lopaz says:

        it does not matter how MANY fights a guy has per season.

        it matters what a player will do at THAT MOMENT – to support the team.

        This team needs to stand up for itself.

        EVERY HABS TEAM THAT HAS EVER WON THE CUP HAS BEEN ABLE TO STAND UP FOR ITSELF.

        Lyle Odelein and Mike Keane type players (in 93)

        And Corson, Nilan, Ludwig (in 86)

        Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Actually considering the amount of times MTL players get targeted, it would suggest these guys didn’t stand up and enforce the law very often. And Komisarek was a lousy fighter despite being big while Begin wasn’t exactly special. Souray could fight a bit, but he didn’t do it often either so we don’t know if he would have responded.

          And besides, Boston stood around like a bunch of stiffs when Cooke effectively ended Marc Savard’s career as a hockey player. Where were the tough guys and ‘stand up for our teammate’ stuff and the team’s ongoing vendetta against Matt Cooke? Didn’t happen.

          I agree MTL needs a couple guys who can drop ‘em but a lot of teams have stood around as some of their best players have fallen to the ice. Let’s not pretend MTL is some weak-willed organization while every team makes sure no one tries anything on their guys. If that was true, Cooke would have been annihiliated by now for his career history of sociopathic conduct.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • ed lopaz says:

            I think we need to change 2 players and it could make a big difference to the lineup.

            Spacek needs to be replaced by a much tougher d-man; Obrien has been mentioned and I think he would fit well as an Odelein type addition

            Also, I would change Moen for a guy much more aggressive, much more determined on the forecheck, and not afraid to stand up for his team.

            Other than those 2 guys, I like this team.

            of course, Subban is going to clobber a few guys next year, and that will help for sure.

            What do you think he is doing hanging out with Big George??

            It does not take long to teach a few tricks of the trade – how to balance yourself, how to protect your face like Nilan used to do behind his left shoulder.

            the flight down to Haiti was more than enough time to give PK a few key pointers. :-)

            First guy Subban fights next year – Marchand – I guarantee it!!

            To SF09 below – yes, I would take Mara back as well. Agree on Mara.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Moen can be that guy Ed, the issue is he’s been put out of his role so often in the last two years to fill in a hole in the Top-6 he’s gotten out of his proper habits. Throwing two hits a shift and such like Ryan White does and being ready to throw them at will. JM coachs him to play more conservatively. I’d personally take Mara back to fill in a bit, he knows the system and he’s willing to fight.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

        • LA Loyalist says:

          Great points. Love the guys you mentioned.

          However while it’s great if PK can defend himself, we don’t want him fighting. Either the opposing coach will send a 4th liner to take him off the ice or he’ll sprain his wrist or something. Hockey fighting is a really imprecise kind of thing, due to the ice factor, of course.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Souray would have lost his marbles and went right after Chara. He might not have won the scrap but he wouldn’t be sent home in a body bag.

        Souray was a warrior. Miss that guy!

        • issie74 says:

          Yes and then Chara would have killed him.

          NorthTOHab

          • JayBee says:

            You guys give Chara way too much credit. I’ve seen Chara get flung to the ice many times. Chara’s not the type of guy you square up with..but please believe Souray would have probably two handed him agaisnt the back of his knees and punched chara in the face as he fell to the ice.

            I’ve seen Tenderness eat a bunch of punches from Chara and get up like it was nothing.

            You really think Bouillon, Komi (yea, he got beat by Lucic but no way he lets McQuaid or Cambpell bludgeon him), Souray, Begin would have allowed what happneed in that 8-6 game? No frigging way.

            Even in the days when Lucic beat down Komi I never felt like the Habs were soft or that they were disgraceful. What I saw in that 8-6 game was disgraceful…it really made me angry. Watching our players get absolutely throttled without putting up much of a fight at all.

            If Gauthier doesn’t plan on signing another d-man, I hope he picks up Mara.

          • LA Loyalist says:

            Better to die on your feet then live on your knees.

            Sorry to be dramatic.

            One of the most shameful moments in Habs history was Doug Gilmour, all 160 lbs of him, having to defend Theodore one night in Buffalo. I can’t remember who ran Theodore but it was bad.

            I felt the same way after Chara. Angry and ashamed.

      • scrowe21 says:

        Chara is actually a terrible fighter for being so big. Overrated. If he fought more often, someone would knock him out. Laraque almost knocked his head into the 10th row…oh how I wish that punch landed.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          I wouldn’t go as far to call him a terrible fighter (Chara). He’s a standard fighter but his punches have enough power to break your orbital bone and his reach is crazy.

          • scrowe21 says:

            A lot of people have power to break orbital bones. Who has Chara hurt that bad though? Yeah his reach is crazy, but I was saying for being that big, he could be a lot better because of that reach. Just saying he is very overrated when it comes to fighting.. the only thing thats kept him from getting whooped is his ridiculous size advantage.

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            didn’t Chara break Ivanvans orbital bone?

            *I’m sure I splled his mame wrong, but he was some big foreinger we had a for a few games, until he got killed by Chara.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Chara doesn’t really have to fight though, he’ll just grab you and use that freakish strengh to ragdoll you around and end it with one or two punches if necessary. He’s not a great fighter but he doesn’t have to be because of his size, there’s just no real way to challenge him unless you’re within maybe 3″ of his height.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

      • JayBee says:

        @SeriousFan09

        I can’t stand stat wh*res. As if everything can be explained with stats.

        What the hell does the amount of fights each player had have to do with anything? It’s called sticking up for your teammates, and the Habs USED to do that not too long ago. We also didn’t get dominated in scrums either. I mean Bouillon fought Colton Orr for Pete’s sakes.

        I’d much rather a teammate stand up for me and lose a fight than act like nothing happened. Have you played competitive hockey?

        • TomNickle says:

          Excellent post.

        • ed lopaz says:

          I was a Frankie Bouillon fan – absolutely – he was tough as nails.

          I also like Kostopoulous and Begin.

          Love those guys.

          Theres no room on a Jacques Martin team for guys like that.

          Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          And I’m not the one who said a bunch of guys who barely tapped over 4 fights a year on average were big on standing up for their team, nor did I inference that guys like Komisarek and Begin would have done something other than be a punching bag for Chara.

          I may never have played competitive hockey but I know a foolish suggestion when I read one. This fantasy-land crap that tough teams always drop their gloves and go Charles Bronson Death Wish on those who wronged them is a terrible joke. Raffi Torres dealt out two vicious hits in the playoffs that saw him suspended for the second one, but no actual retribution. That’s what I can’t stand, people who say we need to be tough, than suddenly disappear when I ask why Matt Cooke hasn’t been essentially annihiliated by the Bruins.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • JayBee says:

            Complete bunk.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            What’s complete bunk?Mentioning that for guys you argued ‘stood up for Montreal’ they seemed to not do it very often? Disputing that one of the guys you mentioned would have been a challenge for Chara? Suggesting the proven fact that not all nasty hits are avenged even when the teams are “Built Tough”?

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

    • DearyLeary says:

      Completely irrelevant, it was a clean hit, Koivu was fine. Why the hell would you ‘pay someone back’ for that? There is such a thing as a big clean hit.

      I hate this idea that every time someone hits a player hard there has to be a fight. I’m sick of it, actually. Get rid of fighting altogether… play hockey.

      • TomNickle says:

        And I also hate that whenever a dirty hit causes or has the potential to cause injury, it’s “part of the game”.

        When that happened in the original six era. Or rather, the time that current players use to reference the violence, a bench clearing brawl would ensue. It’s not as if it was accepted back then.

        • ed lopaz says:

          and there are still bench clearing brawls at times in baseball even though there is no fighting on a regular basis as ther is in hockey

          because some times the TEAM needs to stand together and be heard as ONE UNIT.

          Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        That hit was charging and and in today’s game it could be considered a head shot.

        If you want fighting out of hockey…ummm…ever heard of soccer? You might want to make the switch.

        • TomNickle says:

          I want fighting out of hockey and you aren’t in any position to tell somebody to switch to another sport if they don’t like it. The only reason that fighting is part of hockey is because the league allows disgusting acts to take place on the ice with alarming disregard.

          Ask the parents of the CHL player who was killed in a fight if they want fighting in hockey. And when they say no, tell them they should switch to another sport or that their son shouldn’t have been playing.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            My heart goes out to any parent who loses a child from any type of sport, not just hockey.

            But fighting has been around for over 100 years, the players all want it as does the NHL.

            So if you don’t like fighting, which is part of the sport of hockey….pick another sport.

            I don’t like watching men in tights so i don’t watch figure skating…same type of idea.

            pretty simple.

      • JayBee says:

        You can go watch field hockey then.

        That wasn’t a clean hit BTW. And regardless…you can’t let players take runs at your captain/top players. Souray was a warrior and I will always have so much respect fo rhim.

    • arcosenate says:

      Evgeny Artyukhin. He can deal with everyone on the Bruins roster. And that includes the head ass clown Chara. But he’ll never play in Montreal because he’s a bit off his rocker. But I stil say he can skate and hit.

  28. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    “Given the way that violence sells, there’s not a lot of incentive for sports to draw the line in way that diminishes the entertainment value.”

    And this represents the NHL’s thought process. They know that violence and mayhem sell in the States and they are so intent on selling the game they have embraced the games potential to be a bloodsport. People look at the Patches play and say how incompetent the NHL is for not suspending Chara, but it’s not incompetence. They are very calculating and they know exactly what they are doing. They feign ineptitude, thats just what they want you to think, that they are just a bunch of bumbling idiots who just can’t get it right. That way they can carry on their agenda with plausible deniability. Things are going to get worse in the NHL before they get better.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Why do you say they sell “in the United States”?

      1. Thuggery and violence in hockey is an almost exclusively Canadian phenomenon. There is essentially no fighting in the NCAA, and none at all in Olympic hockey, or in most of Europe.

      2. In the NCAA attempts to injure will get you banned and maybe expelled from college. Hab prospect Andrew Conboy had to leave Michigan State after a nasty on-ice incident (that would have gotten him at most a 5 min major in the NHL).

      3. Those rioters in Vancouver? The rioters in Montreal last year? These guys are not agent provocateurs. They are the NHL’s target demographic.

      4. How many Swedish enforcers are there? Finns?

      5. Don Cherry? He’s not American as far as I know.

      Let’s not kid ourselves. We’re the problem.

      • _Habsoloutly_ says:

        I didn’t say violence selling was exclusive to the USA. It’s pretty much a North American thing. Ever been to a WWE or a UFC event? Sold out across North America. And as Tom said below, a death is just free extra publicity. In todays entertainment world there’s no such thing as bad publicity.

  29. TomNickle says:

    In the article by Dave Naylor that Issie references. Naylor says self-interest in improving safety and limiting violence is what leads to direct action. And that the NFL and NHL have done this.

    I’m sorry, but a quiet room doesn’t stop Chara from smashing Pacioretty’s head into a stanchion. And a quiet room doesn’t stop Milan Lucic from cross-checking Dominic Moore in the head. A quiet room doesn’t stop Raffi Torres from trying to separate Brent Seabrook’s head from his body.

    What a joke.

  30. JayBee says:

    See, when I talk about grit and toughness this is what I mean… Watch these clips.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMPx4Dcmo2o&feature=relmfu

    Remember when we had players that stuck up for each other? None of these guys are goons. They just know protocol. I love the Habs but I hate what they've become and I have a good feeling it's Martin telling them not to get involved.

    With Max laying on the ice…..what do you think Komi, Souray, Begin, etc would have done?

    I like White and Moen, but need a couple more guys who CAN PLAY and also drop the gloves.

  31. issie74 says:

    Everyone needs to go to the TSN front page of the sportsection!!!

    NorthTOHab

  32. HabinBurlington says:

    When Montreal as an organization and Montreal as a group of fan’s spoke out Loudly and Clearly that we were disgusted by the NHL’s lack of punishment on Chara. We were chastised by the media, and by the Brian Burke’s of the League for our outward questioning of league policies enforcement etc….

    But when Brian Burke stands in front of a microphone on his bully pulpit and kicks and screams like a fat kid who lost his lollipop blaming other gm’s for abusing the CBA as it pertains to salary cap circumvention, that is okay?

    • ed lopaz says:

      i totally disagree with Burke when it comes to violence and head shots in hockey.

      I think his position on head shots is insane.

      one day, when a player DIES AT CENTER ICE – the league will understand that Brian Burke is entirely wrong on this issue.

      Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

      • TomNickle says:

        No they won’t Ed. They’ll feel that the death is free publicity and controversy. They will become more successful because of it. How many people watch Nascar because of the race? Nascar exploded after Dale Earnhardt died on the track.

        If anything, a death would help the NHL generate more revenue. And that’s why you and I won’t live to see them make appropriate changes.

        • ed lopaz says:

          sad but true, Tom. sad but true.

          Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Yup, Metallica’s Sad But True should play when going to the NHL’s webpage.

  33. twilighthours says:

    What did Marchand do recently that I missed to cause the hate and lame gay jokes ?

  34. Habs_4_ever says:

    - Any news from development camp?

    -Subban no longer being a rookie, is he now allowed to express himself?
    I’m so glad he’s on our team.

  35. issie74 says:

    I am campaigning for Ian Schultz in a Habs uniform this fall,on a line with Ryan White and Travis Moen.

    Did I mention 6’2- 200 pounds,he can drop the gloves and he can play,as his junior record indicates.

    Mr.Bugs would love it he could provide that Psycho element he is looking for.

    NorthTOHab

    • habs_r_us says:

      unfortunatly he is still not ready for nhl action yet he would get eaten live in the big league. enqvuist is far more advanced in being ready for nhl action

    • GenerationYHabs says:

      Speaking of Ryan White, has anyone heard any news on him lately?

      • Mike D says:

        I’m sure he’ll be re-signed, but he might be the last current Hab to do so. He’s an RFA without arbitration rights so there is no real urgency to get his deal done right now.

        – Honestly yours

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Another poster was saying that his conditioning is abysmal, last season and again at the development camp. If he wants to play in the NHL, based on his stats in junior and AHL, he’s going to have to be a banger, and he can’t just rely on farmboy natural strength, he needs to train at least as hard as everyone else, or he’ll get torn to shreds.

      ———————————
      Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

      • TomNickle says:

        I’ve never once made a comment about Ian Schultz’s conditioning thank you very much.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Sorry Tom, I was trying to give credit where credit is due. I thought you’d passed on that info about a week ago, maybe it was SeriousFan. I’ll edit.

          Thanks.

          ———————————
          Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

          http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

          • TomNickle says:

            No worries.

          • issie74 says:

            I can’t believe Mr Cunneyworth would put up with bad conditioning,afterall that is a large part of his job … to get these kids NHL ready.
            I admit that Schultz was suspended for fighting but by the end of last season he seemed to have that under control.

            NorthTOHab

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Like I said, a poster stated that it was a problem for him all last season, and that Canadiens management was surprised and disappointed at his conditioning level at the development camp last month.

            I had asked for clarification since it was said in passing on an unrelated thread. I’m interested in Mr. Schultz’s development since I want us to get as much return as possible from the Jaroslav Halak trade.

            Maybe someone else can weigh in with information on the subject.

            ———————————
            Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

            http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Kooch7800 says:

      He needs to start playing hockey. he got scratched a ton in the AHL last year as he only tried to fight. He can play hockey but he needs to show it in the AHL before he will ever get a shot in the NHL.

  36. Bugs says:

    I’m sorry.
    Just…just a fabulous moment of Artiste-ry. It was soooo beautiful.
    I still can’t help roaring in pleasure when I see it.
    Absolute perfection.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khywEqMgtUI&feature=related

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  37. aemarchand11 says:

    If I’m Pierre Gauthier I take a look at Matt Bradley. 3-4th line grinder with some size. His last contract was 1m with Washington.

    “I have a different constitution. I have a different brain; I have a different heart; I got tiger blood, man.” – Charlie Sheen.

  38. Mike D says:

    For all those who are giving Burke the gears for his stance on not front-loading contracts, I just want to point out that PG and the Habs organization have the very same approach. Essentially, if you’re giving it to Burke on this, you’re also giving it to PG and the Habs brass.

    Obviously, I realize some of you may know this already, and some of you don’t like PG and have no problem criticizing him anyway. All of that is fine and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. My point here is aimed at those who fault Burke for this, and don’t realize PG does the very same thing. The only difference is that Burke shouts it from the mountain tops where as PG doesn’t say boo about it.

    For the record, I don’t like Burke as I think he’s a loudmouth jackass, nor do I like the Leafs. I do, however, agree with this philosophy. As for PG, I think he’s doing pretty good. He’s no Sam Pollock, but I think he’s serving us well as GM.

    – Honestly yours

    • TomNickle says:

      In fairness. Gauthier hasn’t had an opportunity to sign somebody to a long term deal that could be front loaded. There were several reports that he didn’t want to give Markov more than one year. So I don’t think that would be a good example. When Price and Subban’s contracts come up for renewal this season, we’ll see if he’s willing to front load a contract.

      • Cardiac says:

        Agreed, and let’s hope he signs them up for next June and not wait until the last minute like most GMs before him.

        On another note, one bad reason for a player to sign a front loaded contract: Taxes!

      • Mike D says:

        They could have technically front loaded Cole’s contract since it was one year more than they wanted to give anyway. Markov’s would have been harder to do.

        PG won’t front load PK’s or Price’s contract as they are both too young. Even if you gave them both 10 year deals they are still in their prime when it expires so no reason for a dramatic dip in salary. I doubt either of them would sign for that long anyway, plus I don’t see Habs brass offering that much term to anybody, but I guess we’ll see.

        You are correct that PG and the Org.’s position of not front-loading contracts is somewhat of an assumption, but there is also evidence to that point as well. The only FL contract on our roster is Gomez, and he’s also the only player who’s current contract wasn’t made by the Habs.

        – Honestly yours

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I don’t fault Burke for not front-loading contracts.

      I fault him for going on about how he was going to go after Brad Richards, and then lying about why he lost him. Nothing to do with front-loading.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      To clarify my earlier Rant. I am not in favour of front loading contracts. What I took issue with Burke on, was his stance of essentially blaming front loaded contracts for him not getting Richards. In my opinion that is smoke and mirrors. I realize he doesn’t want to tell Toronto fans “Sorry Brad doesn’t want to play for us, plain and simple”.

      But every GM across the board has to look at their own situation and do what is best for his team. PG must do the same. We are currently in a situation where we haven’t had to give out these potentially crippling contracts. But we could find ourselves in that spot in the near future. PG must have considered at least once sending Gomez to Hamilton at some point this summer, was that what the CBA was supposed to be about?

      THe league has made a joke of this whole situation by telling the Devils they can’t do it one way, but oh these other deals are okay. It is all F’d up, the barn door is wide open right now as far as knowing what is circumvention and what isn’t.

      As usual the inmates are running the assylum in what is the NHL.

      • ed lopaz says:

        Brian Burke is opposed to front loaded contracts, it seems.

        it is a principle that he believes strongly in.

        http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/leafs-beat/brian-burke-sounds-off-on-kovalchuk/article1702624/

        I happen to agree with him – on front loaded contracts.

        I also agreed with him when he supported his son.

        Just because Habs fans hate Brian Burke, it should not mean that he is lying to the media all the time about everything.

        Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Ed, I have nothing but respect for his stance regarding his son. I am not sure what that has to do with this discussion. I really hope you are not trying to suggest anything else by bringing that into this equation.

          I also respect the fact he chose to see our troops, I dont understand the timing, but the point of him going to do so is commendable. He is a very bright guy, I don’t underestimate his ability to read situations and make very calculated moves. But he is not in the same class as Ken Holland, Lou L., or some of the other recent excellent GM’s.

          I also agree with his position on front loaded contracts. Just find it interesting how vocal he is about it when convenient. Too bad he wasn’t just as keen on removing headshots from the game.

    • GenerationYHabs says:

      People arn’t criticizing his stance on not front-loading contracts as much as calling him out on using it as an excuse for not being able to acquire Richards.

      (Edit) Ok Habinburligton got to it before me and said it a whole lot better apprently.

    • Mike D says:

      @ HFS72, HabinBurl., and GenY

      My post wasn’t directed at you gents at all. It was just a general post to point out that PG seems to have the same stance on front-loaded contract as Burke does. I wanted to make it in the event some posters (again, not you guys or anyone else in particular) weren’t aware of the parallels there and were criticizing Burke on one hand and thinking PG is different on the other in that regard.

      – Honestly yours

  39. DearyLeary says:

    Rookies aren’t allowed to be charitable. I read it in “The Code”. Leave charity to the respectable folk, PK.

  40. Chuck says:

    Soobie impresses me at every turn.

  41. Un Canadien errant says:

    We’re giving it to Burke pretty good for his idealistic rantings about teams circumventing the salary cap.

    I just want us to consider whether we’re the same here when we blame the referees for our loss to the Bruins. Are we being idealistic and refusing to take practical steps based on the prevailing circumstances?

    Don’t get me wrong, I think our team is on the right track, and I don’t want us to goon it up, but maybe we should cut Burke some slack. He’s campaigning for his point of view, I can only hope that we are doing to same behind the scenes, so that next year we’re not mugged on the way to the Cup. Maybe we offer the League that we’ll buy extra whistles for the refs. That way they won’t be worried they’re going to wear them out, they might use them once in a while.

    ———————————
    Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • TomNickle says:

      First of all. Burke did something that nobody has accused him of yet, and it’s something everyone should be referring to. He distanced himself as much as possible from the Connolly signing. He doesn’t want to be remembered as the guy who threw a ton of money toward an injury prone player on UFA day.

      He’s starting to realize that he can’t win in Toronto. He has no goaltending solution for the immediate future and it looks like Rynnas will take a couple more years to be NHL ready. He has no solution for scoring depth or a game changer at the centre ice position who can do it all. In addition, Lupul is on his first line. It’s an ugly situation that was glorified by teams taking a night off when they see the Leafs, divisional rivals notwithstanding.

      He’s putting himself in a situation where he won’t be blamed for the failure of the organization. He has three other capable general managers on his staff that he can throw on the grenade. He’s doing his best. But he’s just starting to see now that his team was an absolute mess when he got there and that he made it worse when he got there. He’s just now starting to make that team better and he knows that he doesn’t have enough rope to see it through to success.

      Ferguson handed out some terrible contracts in his time there. But Reimer and Kulemin were draft picks of his. Perhaps he should have been given a bit more time.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        He is the Maestro at this Tom. But he doesn’t dress as well as the Maestro from Seinfeld. He aint got nothing on the real Maestro!

    • GenerationYHabs says:

      He’s using the whole front-loaded contract loophole as a scapegoat in order to detract from the fact that big name players do not want to sign with such a dead end team.

      Instead of adressing the problem of not being able to acquire talent due to poor team management he uses lines like “It’s because we didn’t offer as much” or ” I don’t believe in those types of contracts”.

      • joshua94k says:

        Burke always looks for an excuse to cover his poor decisions.

        He couldn’t get Brad Richards so he said he doesn’t approve of front-loaded contracts.

        He couldn’t get Dana Heatly so he said he will not go after players who want to leave their team.

        He missed getting Mike Cammalleri so he said we will not sign players who are not big.

        The Leafs continually miss the play-offs and he says he will not look for short-term fixes to make the play-offs.

        And of course the Toronto media buys into it.

        “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Burke will say anything he thinks will put him back in the paper, on the radio or a short TV spot. When they said he was perfect for Toronto GM they were right, he’s much more in love with the spotlight than actually doing things to make the team competitive.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • GenerationYHabs says:

        What are you talking about? He actively pursued Richards and was just as shocked as we were that he refused his offer of less money for the oppertunity of “Playing for Burkie” .

        I mean seriously who in their right mind would say no to that? ;)

  42. JayBee says:

    Really makes me sick how people in the media and around the league took their liberties on PK this year. The guy’s a stud…has a good head on his shoulders and comes from a good family. Can’t wait to hear wha they come up with this upcoming season.

  43. TomNickle says:

    Would anyone here have a problem with front loaded contracts if Subban and Price were each given 10 year, $50 million dollar contracts?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I would be fine with that for those 2 guys. Get them locked up.

    • Ronin says:

      Not a chance I’d say no to that….of course they are 21 and 23 not 31 and 33….big diff.

    • G-Man says:

      Yes. More than 5 years is downright stupid.

      • TomNickle says:

        I’m not saying it will happen. But the Penguins could lose Crosby and Malkin for nothing in two and three years respectively because they decided not to give long term contracts to those guys.

        • G-Man says:

          Contracts can be extended. The year before it ends and the player is playing up to expectations, it make sense to extend the contract a few seasons. Locking a player up for loooooong term like DiPietro or Yashin has proven my point.
          Not that Price or Subban’s contacts will ever be as lousy as those were.
          (We hope.)

          • Cardiac says:

            Of course that’s assuming PG will talk negotiations before season’s end… which, as history has showed us, does not happen with this organization.

          • TomNickle says:

            The only problem with that is that players have agents, who in contract years, do their best to make sure the player tests the free agent market to maximize contract value.

    • habs03 says:

      Front loaded contracts are not meant for young players, its for players that don’t plan on playing to the end of that contract.I wouldn’t have a problem with a 10/50M for both or something like that, but the Habs don’t like to give out huge years on contract. But plus it would be better for Price and Subban to take 4-5 year deals now, and be up for a new contract in their prime 27-29.

  44. HabinBurlington says:

    PK really is showing the rest of the world but a class individual he is. Marchand continues to show the rest of the world what a classless individual he is.

    I really hope when PK gets resigned it is for a long time. Would hate to ever lose a talent like this. Good for him, hope his experience in Haiti is fulfilling.

  45. TomNickle says:

    I think I like Perry Pearn. I mean, he seems like a nice guy, our team has become one of the best shot blocking squads in the NHL since his arrival, PK doesn’t seem to be struggling or anything.

    I do have one issue with the way our defensemen play though. When they’re in front of the net they follow the puck far too much for my liking. I don’t really blame them because when your offense starts with your transition game, it’s difficult, even for professionals, to focus on the man when moving the puck up ice quickly is the primary focus. Gill’s good at playing the man, Subban’s quite good at it, Gorges and from what I’ve seen Yemelin focuses on the man also. But I want Larry Robinson. I want somebody teaching these guys, and more importantly our young, developing defensemen, to be nasty in front of our net. I mean Pronger nasty.

    Carey Price doesn’t make it a habit of letting in a lot of goals from beyond thirty feet. They’re mostly scored in the blue paint or when somebody’s alone in front. The Bird could really help in that area. New Jersey’s looking for a new coach still. Maybe Pierre Gauthier could right the wrong of Pierre Boivin and get him on board.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Tom, if Mr. Robinson did come back to the fold, would you still maintain Pearn as an assistant? I still feel like an assistant for PP is needed. Was my impression Kirk was handling these duties. Do you have any thoughts on who would be good for that, or could Larry help with that as well. Appreciate your comments.

      • TomNickle says:

        I’d let Markov and/or Cammalleri coach the powerplay and let Gorges and/or Gill coach the penalty kill, haha.

        As for Pearn. I wouldn’t fire him. He’s done a great job. Sopel came in and didn’t take long to adjust. That’s a testament to Pearn’s communication abilities.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Completely agree that we need a defenceman coach. We shouldn’t just rely on the veterans passing their wisdom on to the rookies, that should come mostly from a coach who holds players accountable.

      ———————————
      Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

      • TomNickle says:

        We have a defense coach. My point is that we need a meaner mentality in front of our net. I think adding Larry Robinson would be a wise decision. But we aren’t lacking a coach for our defensemen.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          No, I want a dedicated defenceman coach, and I want to bring in a former Canadiens defenceman ideally. I think Guy Lapointe would serve nicely.

          ———————————
          Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

          http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

        • TomNickle says:

          Last I heard, Guy Lapointe was a scout for the Minnesota Wild. I think we have a failure to communicate here. You do know that Perry Pearn coaches our defensemen yes?

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Yes I do. I think however that we have a wealth of former Habs defencemen who could contribute to our team as a D coach. Ideally, I’d like a former Big Three member like Mr. Lapointe or Mr. Robinson. We have a lot of young defencemen in the pipeline and we need to support them.

            While Mr. Lapointe is in the Wild organization, he can be poached as we have been poached by other teams. If we asked the Wild to talk to him they would probably not refuse.

            I’m not sure of Perry Pearn’s pedigree, which may explain my enthusiasm for hiring another assistant coach. My understanding is that he has various responsibilities. I would like someone who is solely devoted to working with our young D.

            Also, while I support your campaign for Mr. Robinson, I don’t think you can teach nastiness. The reason Mr. Robinson was a feared defenceman was because he was the biggest baddest dude around, he could do whatever he wanted on the ice. Even so, he showed remarkable restraint. Great candidate for our purposes.

            ———————————
            Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

            http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • ed lopaz says:

      I think Jacques Martin is way too insecure to have Larry Robinson behind the bench and I dont blame him.

      Robinson is pure class and a winner!!

      Robinson bleeds bleu, blanc, rouge.

      it would take about 1 shift into the 1st exhibition game for me to want Robinson as the Head Coach.

      and I honestly believe that Robinson could change this team just enough to win a Cup

      Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  46. Bill says:

    If only PK had some class like Mike Richards said. If only PK could be more like that much more respected young player, Brad Marchand.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

    • TomNickle says:

      Ha. I am a little worried about Laraque getting his hooks into Pernell.

    • issie74 says:

      If only PK showed some respect like Mike. LOL

      NorthTOHab

    • kempie says:

      Now, I’m the first guy to admit that, once your team has won those 16 games, you have earned the right to party as hard and in just about any way you please. But Mr. Marchand, please, a smidge of dignity will go a long way. When I say party hard, I don’t necessarily mean waking up to people stepping over you as you lie in a pool of your bodily fluid with your pants around your ankles and your shoes missing. I can’t imagine PK Subban putting on a pathetic display like that when he wins the cup. Let’s ask the Godfather of class, Mr. Beliveau, what he thinks. I’m sure he has some photos of himself in similar poses. Ya think?

  47. HabinBurlington says:

    So Brian Burke was hired by MLSE as President and GM of the richest (Dollars only) team in the NHL. He was given all the power this team could bestow upon him. He was given the highest paid salary in all of the NHL for his position.

    Yet he stands up and pontificates of how other teams are using League accepted loopholes to hopefully improve the quality of their on ice product.

    The guy is constantly lobbying to be the next President of the NHL in my opinion. It is not for him to worry about whether or not these deals are circumventing the salary cap, it is his job to acquire the best talent available throughout the league by any means possible (he is a Lawyer!).

    The fact that he has these ethic based rants and the media in Toronto immediately start lapping it up, is just continued proof of why this team stumbles.

    If he had any courage (he really is the Lion from Wizard of Oz) he would tell Stevie Y. listen you can trade Stamkos to me now, or I am giving him a max cap dollar offer later tonight, make up your mind quick.

    Toronto giving up 4 1st’s for a 21 year old Steve Stamkos is a no brainer. They have proven beyond a doubt they cannot draft well in any round.

    Thankfully he appears unwilling to do this, and he will continue to acquire players with big hearts like Kessel and Connelly. Long live Brian Burke, and oh yah, your buddy Ron Wilson is one heck of a coach.

    • Marc10 says:

      I for one am absolutely thrilled with the job Burkey has done thus far. I don’t want him to change a thing.

      Heck of a job Burkey!

      “To be irreplaceable, you have to be different”.
      Andy Warhol

      Go PK Go!

    • avatar_58 says:

      I really find him to be a cranky blowhard, but he does have a point. The contracts are BS. However I don’t get why he takes the highroad, if an exploit is available – use it. Why not? You won’t go to prison.

      If anything I’m annoyed our team never uses it.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        That is the gist of what I am saying. I recognize this guy used to work for the NHL Head Office (And I am convinced he sees himself as the next commissioner) but whether you like the deals or not you should use every tool available to improve your team.

        For the record, very happy he is ruining (running) the Maple Leafs. This guy walked into a ready made team in Anaheim and he added Pronger and Niedermayer. These were good moves but everything was there.

        • Marc10 says:

          You should really credit Pronger’s wife for that Cup. She was the catalyst. And the Niedermayer thing happened only because Burkie had his brother on the books as I recall.

          He probably did more for Vancouver than he did for Anaheim…

          Fortunately it seems he’s lost his edge. His early moves to shore up the D and his spectacular gaffe with Kessel have consigned the Laughs to many more years of mediocrity.

          “To be irreplaceable, you have to be different”.
          Andy Warhol

          Go PK Go!

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Yah, there was a lot of different stories behind Pronger leaving Edmonton. Burke was smart enough to capitalize on it.

      • Jim Edson says:

        Another Mr. Bluster! ex Howdy Doody!

        ———————————————————————-
        …..My empire is crumbling, my international sponsors are deserting me, my authority is questioned, I am held in contempt wherever I go.

        Who am I: Mohamar Ghadaffi or Gary Bettman.

      • issie74 says:

        MacT described him best, OZ!!!

        NorthTOHab

    • ed lopaz says:

      I totally disagree with you. Habs Burlington

      Burke is an a-hole; I have no doubt about that. I would probably not like the guy if I met him personally.

      But on the issue of front loaded salaries, Burke is 100% right.

      It is total B.S..

      And I would say KUDOS to him for standing up in front of the hockey world and telling it like it is.

      One thing I have a problem with on this site is that too many posters are afraid to give credit where credit is due.

      You hate the Leafs? Good for you.

      You hate Brian Burke? Good for you.

      But sometimes in life it pays to step back, stop questioning everyones motives all the time and just ask yourself:

      does a front loaded contract which pays a player 24 million in the first 2 years and 3 million in the last three years make sense?

      because in fact it does not make sense.

      and any GM who will make a firm declaration that they will never front load a contract as long as they are in charge is absolutely on point if you ask me.

      even if it is an a-hole like Burke.

      Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I agree that front loaded contracts are a crock. The worst part is the though the league approves them.

        I also don’t think you should be able to sign an insane contract and then just send the guy to the minors and there is no cap hit. Glen Sather is the worst GM EVER. He should be accountable for his brutal contracts.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Don’t hate the leafs and don’t hate Burke. Actually sat on a flight from Toronto to Vancouver 2 rows back of him and we chatted for about 45 mins. He is quite engaging. I do want Montreal to beat Toronto every year, and I want Montreal to finish ahead of Toronto, but for the sake of my buddies who run some sports bars here, wouldn’t mind seeing them get some playoff revenue one year. I do hate Boston and all things Boston.

        But I don’t have to believe all he says. I don’t like front loaded contracts either, but the guy is selling Bull Shite to everyone. He is blaming the contract format for not getting Richards. Reason he didn’t get Richards is Brad didn’t want to play for the Leafs. So why didn’t he want to play for them, well maybe he doesn’t care for Burkie and his game plan.

        End of day Ed, it is Burke’s job to make the Leafs better. How was the Kessel trade a benefit to the Leafs. Had he offer sheeted Kessel, it would have cost him a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd. Instead he gave 2 1sts and a 2nd. Way to stand up for your principles there Brian, and cost your team a valuable 1st round pick. He has made some good trades as well. But then he says he thinks everyone is over paying on UFA day, well who just gave a fragile centre 9 million bucks for 2 years?

        My point is this, he wants to come off as the most honest innocent and hallowed GM of all time, but he is selling bottles of vinegar off a wooden cart telling everyone it is fine wine.

        I ain’t buying it.

        • ed lopaz says:

          just curious.

          how do YOU know why Richards chose not to come to the leafs?

          your analysis is based on the fact that Burke is lying to the media, do you know that to be a fact?

          Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            It was widely reported late in the season and early in summer that Richards was heard stating he did not want to play in Toronto. I also heard through another person who is well connected in the NHL Alumni that Richards had no interest in playing in Toronto.

            I do not have facts to back it up. Just an opinion I feel strongly about. However, Dreger himself reported Leafs offered more money in less term than New York and this was turned down.

            One could make the argument all Burke did was drive up the price for Richards, which I should be thanking him for I guess.

        • issie74 says:

          I have to agree with Ed here, that is just plain conjecture.

          I am sure Brad Richards had multiple personnel reasons he choose NYC over Toronto and he has the right to do so,that is not the issue here.

          NorthTOHab

      • issie74 says:

        Ed, the only thing I can add to that is, Brian Burke didn’t say a word last year when it was Kovalchuk.

        Clearly this year it was different because he was in the mix.

        Psychology 101!

        NorthTOHab

    • issie74 says:

      Brian Burke is looking ahead to his next job as top dog in the NHL,this is just a stepping stone,however,since Bettman was given a new contract last year,he may have to wait awhile.

      NorthTOHab

  48. GenerationYHabs says:

    So Burke is really gonna stick with the whole “We only didn’t get Richards because we didn’t frontload” schpeel?

  49. 24moreCups says:

    I hope this kid is a Hab for the rest of his career,
    To me he’s most exciting player to watch play.. pretty since I’ve got into hockey, Kovy a good night was great but that wasn’t a nightly thing.

    Plus the kid is doesn’t take sh*t from any one on the ice and can piss some people off, he also seems like a gentleman off ice.

  50. Marc10 says:

    Glad to see PK is using his position to help out. This guy is a star on all levels.

    Incidentally, great interview with Mathieu Darche on http://www.CKAC.com (French). There’s another guy who holds the torch high.

    “To be irreplaceable, you have to be different”.
    Andy Warhol

    Go PK Go!

    • Marc10 says:

      Oh and just one more thing on the Darche interview…

      In the last segment of the interview (http://www.ckac.com/audioplayer.php?mp3=105690`) Darche mentions that our favourite whipping boy, Scotty Gomez, flew the Canadiens head of player conditioning to Alaska on his dime this summer to make sure he’s doing it right (and apparently he’s in great shape…)

      So there you go boys and girls. The Cup is ours! ;-)

      “To be irreplaceable, you have to be different”.
      Andy Warhol

      Go PK Go!

    • GenerationYHabs says:

      What are you talking about ?!! I thought Cherry and Richards made it clear that the kid needs to learn some respect !! ;)

  51. G-Man says:

    Way to go, PK, way to go!
    Burke is right. I believe the player’s salary for the season being played should be the cap hit. Anything else is bullspit.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      But it is what it is. The league has blessed all these bullcrap deals, so if you can structure a deal as such to be beneficial to one’s team, you should. DOesn’t mean these deals will all help, but to refuse to do so from some ethical perspective is letting down your own club.

      • G-Man says:

        True, but all the BS contracts we see handed out are just plain ignorant. Yes, the loophole is there. Front-loading contracts just proves how stupid the current management is. If a player is worth $30 mil over 5 years, pay him that. $6 mil per. If the player is worth $30 mil over 5 don’t pay him 20 in the first 2 years of the contract. That’s just rubbish.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I don’t like them either, and I don’t want PG running out to sign them, but in this case, if he really wanted Brad Richards, do what you gotta do to get him. Reality is, this league will probably end up having another work stoppage, and the owners will give themselves another 1 time buyout period to rectify all their wrongs and then start over again with the next set of stupid loopholes.

          I like the steady approach Montreal has taken the past 4 years, Gomez contract will now also start providing options. It was the one big panic move our team made which didn’t work out exactly as planned, but he is still a serviceable player. The same can’t be said for contracts like Dipietro who can’t seem to even play in the league anymore.

        • issie74 says:

          I didn’t hear anyone complain about Lecavalier’s contract.

          It didn’t start yesterday but all of a sudden,it’s a hot button issue.

          NorthTOHab

        • issie74 says:

          G-Man once again you are so right.

          Between now and July 1st 2012,Brad RIchards will earn $20 million.

          NorthTOHab

  52. Haligonian-Hab says:

    Burke would be better as an NHL Exec rather than a GM… make it happen, Boone.

  53. topher5468 says:

    this sucks

    “It’s not an obsession, It’s a way of life..”

  54. Bob_Sacamano says:

    Now there is one thing I have to agree on with Burke. I feel dirty.


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