One more until the break

The Canadiens practice today and then travel to Philadelphia to face the dastardly – and, it must be said, very good – Flyers.

And we apologize for recent technical issues.

Habs Inside/Out’s IT team is hard at work on a solution.

Dave Stubbs on bad reffing

Red Fisher on Saku Koivu

Jack Todd weighs in

François Gagnon’s take on Koivu

Martin Leclerc on discontent with RDS


  1. PrimeTime says:

    The US in general will never grasp Hockey as a major sport simply because it is not “theirs”. From their viewpoint, it is a Canadian sport….it’s an import. Baseball, Football, and Basketball, although arguable, are sports originating in their country. Each has a chapter in US history (Basketball to a lesser degree) and legends of the past are long told and repeated stories to which they cling to….no different than we do with our Habs. The US is a protectionist country for the most part and they do not welcome imports easily.

    Yes, the NHL has pockets of fans in the East and to a lesser degree in the West but none of those teams are #1 sport teams in their cities. Come playoff time, if their team is in contention, sure the attention grows but it fades pretty quickly. They don’t talk hockey. It’s like Tennis, they get up for the Majors but not the rest of the tennis season…..and yes their are more tennis courts in the US than hockey rinks. Hockey is on the same level as Tennis in the eyes of the broadcasters. It is regional programming until playoff (majors) time when they can pick up as few viewers and hope a larger US matket team is in the finals.

    No bias officiating is ever going to grow the market. Ownership throughout the league would not tolerate any team having an advantage over another. They would scream like hell if they knew a bias existed because it hurts their business and the model. The NHL is a CAP league with some revenue sharing. The only hope for an owner to have a “very good spring” is that the league is fair and balanced throughout where  any team can win every 5-10 years if managed properly and with a little luck. Unlike Baseball where the MLB model does allow the larger market teams with money to have an unfair competitive advantage ie no cap. The philosophy there is the “lesser” teams will fill their stadiums when the “big” teams come to town and if you can beat them, it’s a story which feeds the sport. They dont care if Florida beat Minnesota for the Series, but beat the Yanks or the BoSox and you have success. The underdog prevails!! In the NBA they promote and allow their star players priveledges other players do not receive and very often it’s the teams with the stars that win. The money comes from watching the stars. The NFL survives on gambling… is the Las Vegas of all sports and would not be as big as it is if gambling was illegal.

    The NHL owners know they are a regional and playoff driven sport in the US but are sold on the the fact they have a chance to win the Stanley Cup. There can be money made in the NHL US  but if there was any bias towards the north, south, east, or west the league would crumble completely and return to much less than than 30 teams…..Hey, now that’s a thought!!! 🙂

    (Blame HI/O for the lack of paragraphs)


  2. lavie says:

    So, is the server hosting back to a local company instead of outsourcing?

  3. joeybarrie says:

    To be fair, it was located in his abdomen which is pretty much his stomach, and Non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma is in fact a cancer. I have to say Todd got that right.


  4. avatar_58 says:

    I don’t understand his article. When did fans ever boo or slam koivu? It was the media making it a big deal. As for Kovalev love – so what? It was stated right off the bat Koivu was not coming back. He moved on. Kovalev, on the other hand, was undecided. So fans wanted to weigh in with a “protest”. I thought it was ridiculous, but what’s the harm? It was not meant as a slight to the captain.

    Maybe we should go back through his archive and see if he slammed Koivu during his tenure?

  5. fbkj says:

    okay can you give danno link powers back cuz so hell cut down on these zingers 😛

  6. Chris says:

    Mario Lemieux’s cancer was Hodgkin’s lymphoma.  Saku’s was a non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma and was located primarily in his abdomen.  Without detracting from Lemieux’s own recovery, which was amazing and courageous, Koivu’s was a much more deadly form (typically less than 50% survival rate) of lymphoma.

  7. joshua94k says:

    The month of January started on a bad note with the loss of their best defenceman this season, Josh Gorges. Then injuries to Halpern and Cammalleri and Markov of course, added to their woes. But this team played as a TEAM, and the result is 6-1-3. Only one regulation time loss. They had a point in 9 out of ten games this month. That is impressive.

    This team is playing 60 minutes. Earlier if they were down a couple of goals, then they would end up losing 3-0. Now they are keeping at it and despite bad officiating, they don’t give up hope and the result is like last Saturday night, a valuable point gained.

    “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

  8. joeybarrie says:

    Timo, it’s not cause you say Donkey Balls, but because you do not consistently keep up the proper tense in your sentences… Here at HIO we have very high grammatical expectations…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  9. The Teacher says:

    That was odd, everyone knows it was non-Hodgkins lymphoma, like Mario….right?

  10. Matt_in_TO says:

    I got as far as the headline.  What a tool.  


    – In Price We Trust

  11. joeybarrie says:

    AH Nuna…. sadly these posts are getting worse and worse. But one piece of friendly advice. When rooting for a player in a post, try at the very least, to spell his name correctly.

    It is interesting how you got Price’s name correct and not our former Captain’s… That being said i am not surprised as I do not really count you as a fan, in fact I don’t think you would know the Bell center if you were sitting inside it.


  12. joshua94k says:

    On Saturday night, the Ducks player clearly was holding PK Subban’s stick. When Subban pulled his stick to get it free, the stick went up and hence the high sticking call which shouldn’t have been a penalty and why Subban was suprised.

    There have been too many instances of poor officiating against the Canadiens dating back to last year’s play-offs.

    “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

  13. avatar_58 says:

    I disagree. It’s a stupid NHL rule that he had to clear waivers in the first place. ANYONE could have signed hm. Detroit does and suddenly he’s wanted? Would *you* want to play for the Islanders? How on earth will it help his career? They aren’t going to the playoffs and his numbers would be terrible. He’s better off staying in Europe.

    I don’t see the point in waivers for unsigned players.

  14. joeybarrie says:

    I am sorry to say, but I believe you are dead wrong about this. HE SIGNED WITH DETROIT. Not NYI, and look at what that team is doing. Tanking for the future. Trading Roloson and Wiz is proof of that. I mean what were they trying to do???? Cap space??? I wouldn’t join the NYI either if i was Nabokov. Where does that leave him for the next  so many years. Helping a team tank for the future then retire before he can compete for anthing??? Makes no sense.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  15. fbkj says:

    ummmm totally disagreed on so many levels

  16. Mattyleg says:

    It is unbelievable how much of a little bitch Nabokov is being. “I wanted to help a team in the playoffs, and I don’t see how I could do that with the Islanders.” What a cheap, pointless, selfish, arrogant idiotic move. He’ll never be back in the NHL. Good riddance. —Hope Springs Eternal—

  17. The Cat says:

    Yes but surely you or anyone else can imagine the PR nightmare had Quebec gone deep or worse win the Cup? Later that summer we all learned of the relocation to Colorado. Im going to paraphrase an excerpt from canadian wrestling legend Brett Hart’s book about a conversation about the wrestling business he had with wrestling legend Lou Thesz. *As soon as someone pays -its entertainment, at one time (early 1900s) pro wrestling was a real and legit actual competition and it was popular, but then came a man (I forget his name, me the cat I forget, not lou thesz)) that was so good he never lost, matches would last up to 6 hours but he never lost. People stopped going because they figured itd be the same result. So one day, to get asses in the seats, he arranged to lose on purpose to drum up interest.*



    Pro sports are entertainment and a business. The refs in the nhl orchestrate a spectacle more than anything else, no one outside Canada really cares about the NHL, it isnt looked at with a microscope like the NFL. Its a business and its only normal they have a desired outcome when so many dollars are at stake. I dont think a bad team will get help, but if a team is good enough to have a chance and is in a key market, I think they do get preferable treatment, for the sake of money and interest.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  18. Mike Boone says:

    To be honest, I didn’t read it that way. And my conscince is clear as pertaining to anything I’ve ever written about Saku Koivu. But if it ever came to that, I would wear the scorn of my friend Jack like a badge of honour.

  19. Dave Stubbs says:

    Agreed, Michael. Not sure that we’re the target of this shotgun blast.

    I know I wrote probably a dozen lengthy Koivu features during his tenure in Montreal, half of them based on private, one-on-one interviews, and there’s not been one done with a hidden agenda or snide comment or cheap shot. There is no player on the Canadiens, least of all the captain of the team, who will agree to a private talk if he thinks he’s going to be ambushed.

    Koivu made a point of coming down off the stage after his Friday news conference to shake hands and tell me he’s always enjoyed working with me, and he did the same thing after he’d wrapped up his interviews following Saturday’s game. If he figures I had the knife out for him, he’d not have done that.

    Dave Stubbs
    Habs Inside/Out
    Sports Columnist/Feature Writer, Montreal Gazette
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  20. Hobie Hansen says:

    If I were Nabakov and I thought I was going to Wings and all of a sudden Snow was calling me saying I was going to the Islanders, I’d hang up the phone too.

  21. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    That’s all just window dressing. Of course they reprimand the odd ref every half dozen years or so, just to appease us peasants. 

  22. Danno says:

    And THAT’S an undergarment…your avatar that is 😉


  23. Danno says:

    Pretty cool toaster fo’ shizzle. But does it actually make good toast?


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  24. forskis says:

    I agree with you for the most part having grown up in the same environment, but like in all things, the loudest and harshest are the ones that are heard and really dissuade any effort or goodwill.  I am referring to the crowd that tells people who try and speak French, albeit poorly, not to bother at all if they cannot do it well and those in the crowd that think knowing English and French and being able to operate/work in both as an attack on the survival of the French language and practically a crime.

    That is why I am surprised when I see some on here saying that a few token phrases and merci’s and bonjour’s would have been enough to placate the majority.  More than a few would see it as bread crumbs and table scraps being thrown at them to shut them up, useless token gestures.  Heck, that is how the loudest ones that are heard see Canadian bilingualism:  just a useless token gesture that is more insulting than anything else.  It is the same as those people who say “ni hao ma” and chortle that they can speak Mandarin when it is just annoying.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  25. habsguy says:

    First you say “There is no NHL conspiracy”,  then you say,  “Phantom calls are as old as the sport”,  and you follow that with ” There is no “bias”, at least as it relates to the Montreal Canadiens franchise”…..then it’s “Part of the reason I suspect that Montreal gets stiffed is how many whiny players we’ve got”…… are we pr are we not getting stiffed????

  26. Chris says:
    • Just because it is topical, here is a link to a Sporting News article from Larry Wigge dated May 22, 1995:
    • The title?  “It’s Time to Get Serious About Bad Officiating”  🙂
    • One mitigating factor that gets overlooked is that the officiating probably isn’t any worse than it has ever been.  But with fans having so much more access than ever before (every game is televised!), the shenanigans are always out there.  In a YouTube world, every bad thing is posted and commented upon.
    • “Just” fifteen years ago, these discussions were being held on internet chat forums, but we didn’t have the benefit of video highlights and everything else.  We had the newspaper reports and that was about it, except for the Saturday night games which were televised.  You could listen to most of the games on radio.  But we took the journalists’ perspective.  And you’ll notice that most of the journalists take a pretty tame view to the refereeing “debacle”.  Occasionally, after a particularly egregious call, you’ll see something in the media.  But the refereeing debate is largely the kingdom of the fans, and every team’s fans think their team is the one that the league is out to get.  It is laughable in its predictability.
    • Regarding fines:  comparing the fines of Lucic and Lombardi is comparing apples to oranges.  There is a maximum fine that the league can assess a player defined by the CBA (used to be $2500, but maybe it is $3500 now).  Teams and their officials, however, are not protected and are usually hit much, much harder than the players.
  27. lenny says:

    Hey Stubbs, Hickey, Boone and even Fisher,

    How does it feel like to continually get jabbed at in Jack Todds article this morning…He referenced the fact that the English media shoulders some of the blame for the way Koivu was treated during his time in Montreal. Must be great to work with a colleague like todd.

  28. oldrrty says:

    Since Eberle is now out of the all-star game festivities is there any chance that PK gets a call?

    I don’t care who wins as long as Toronto doesn’t!

  29. Julie H says:

    There should be some sort of inquiry as to why some NHL refs still having licenses. Being at Saturdays game, I had the ability to see more than a TV camera allows a home viewer. You may have noticed that myself and the other 21,272 fans were more than a little peeved by some calls and some non-calls. Love Stubbs’ article. I wasn’t alive at the time, and so had no idea such a record existed (15 goals against? Yikes). And Jack Todd…way to take a nice gesture, several in fact, and make them into a negative thing. Long live Koivu, maybe he’ll come back again some day.


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  30. Chris says:
    • That Pouliot “hooking” call was terrible, no question.  Dan O’Rourke deserves an earful from the referee supervisors.
    • That being said, it is mind-blowing how whiny the fans have become about referees.  Folks, the refs are no different from the players (an in fact, most of them were former players, often college or major junior grads).  They have great games and they have terrible games.  Phantom calls are as old as the sport.
    • There is no “NHL conspiracy”…the potential political fallout from such a thing would be devastating to the NHL.  Governments, especially in the U.S. where they heavily subsidise sports through arena/stadium deals and tax breaks, have very little to no impatience for impropriety.  They have congressional hearings over steroids in baseball…do people REALLY think that they would turn a blind eye from the NHL-mandated interference in the outcome of games?  There is no “bias”, at least as it relates to the Montreal Canadiens franchise.  If people want to say that the Montreal Canadiens get the short end of the stick because small skilled players seem to take an inordinate number of the clutch-and-grab penalties in the post-lockout era, I can go with that.  I’ve long suspected that certain refs prefer different styles, and that the Habs style is not en vogue with the current refs.  Judging by the number of PP opportunties conceded by Washington, Pittsburgh, Colorado and Tampa Bay, that line of thinking gets some validity.
    • Part of the reason I suspect that Montreal gets stiffed is how many whiny players we’ve got…refs HATE being shown up.  Every single call, Habs players are rolling their eyes, flapping their arms or chirping.  When you demonstratively show up a referee for the whole world to see, the rest of the zebras take notice.  Look at the professional players on the team:  Gionta, Darche and Halpern have combined to take 19 minor penalties all season.  All of those guys keep moving their feet and use their positioning to defend, as oppose to their hands or their sticks.  And when they take a penalty, they don’t pull the Subban-esque “Who ME!?!” postures on the ice, in general.
    • At the other extreme, you’ve got youthful exuberance and inexperience (Subban has 22 minors, Eller has 12 and Pouliot has 13), Plekanec’s sneaky dirtiness (19 minors) and a pair of old, grizzled defencemen with limited mobility being called upon for too many minutes per game of guarding young, speedy stars (Hamrlik with 21 minors and Spacek with 13).  Are people really that surprised at the number of minors the team takes?
    • The bigger question is why the Habs generate so few PP opportunities of their own.  But the lack of bona fide stars can explain part of that (star treatment goes a long way in the NHL), as does the perimeter game that the Habs like to play.  Driving the net in the NHL has always been the most efficient way of forcing opponents into penalties.  With the exception of Pacioretty of late, who on the Habs drives the net consistently?
  31. habfan53 says:

    I might be the only one today to actually agree with Jack Todd. What did he write that was wrong ? Did the media attack him ? YES, Did members of the media and fans question his leadership? YES. Did certain members of the media and certain politicians attack him for not speaking French?  YES

    No fan ever disputed Koivu’s work ethic. The are no fans that would dispute that during his tenure with Montreal he was surrouned by a bunch of stiffs.  But let’s be honest two years ago a lot of fans were saying that it was a time for change I was one of them. not that I did not respect what he had brought to the franchise but that it was time to change the culture of the room. AND that was done. 

    Our memories play funny tricks on us 2 years ago the debate on this site among was to keep Saku or let him go, (last year it was Halak vs Price).  The one complaint that I had was that he always seemed to take penalties at the wrong time quite often when we were on the PP. I felt that Saku was not a number one centre HOWEVER  he was the best we had not his fault. Would he have passed that job to Plekanec ??   Who could honestly say that Saku would have embraced the number 2 centre tag here in Montreal . The ego and strength that got him to the NHL would not allow it. In Anaheim Ryan Getzklaf was and is the number 1 no pressure.

    So you could say that I was one of the fans that said it was time for him to move on. AND this is where I disagree with Jack had I been at the Bell Centre Saturday night I to would have stood and applauded for 8 minutes   


  32. The Cat says:

    If you ever get the chance to watch Quebec and NY Rangers series in 1994 and the Anaheim-Calgary series the year Anaheim won the cup. Its one thing for officiating to go one way for a game but for a series…


    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  33. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Reffing is awful in the NHL indeed.  I have to laugh when I hear “boy that ref is gonna get it from the officiating supervisors.”  I picture in my mind the scene 24/7 when the ref’s are in the little room after the game laughing and drinking beer.  I doubt the meeting’s with the “officiating supervisors” are any differen’t.  It reminds me of the scene in Seinfeld where the doorman are all together laughing at Jerry,  “and they think they’re better than us, hahaha”.  

  34. bigdave says:

    Add that JM is a non-participant with referees! He’s more or less a “voyeur”, “I like to watch and take notes”. Nearly every other NHL coach will voice his displeasure with officiating and lo and behold it does have effect. Think back to Bylsma and Lindy Ruff having heart to hearts with the referees between periods in games this month and the net effect on ice!



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  35. Dennis says:

    It’s unfortunate that Koivu played at a time when the Canadiens couldn’t win the whole thing, because as much as he’s loved and remembered now, it would have been tenfold if he had held the Cup high. But he certainly made up for it in a big way with his off-ice big heart and generosity. Some guys take the paycheque and run. Koivu helped the hospital and the less fortunate.

    Also, I’m giving away a whole bunch of Habs stuff and a few other things too if you’re interested. Info at

  36. nunacanadien says:

    Too bad Carey Price sucked so bad, Gainey had to blow up the team and let Sakku go.

  37. Chris says:

    Oh, I remember the Quebec-Rangers series of 1994 well.  The infamous call by Andy van Hellemond after Alex Kovalev faked an injury is one of those that lives on, and is a strong part of why I think that Kovalev never received the kind of referee support that a player of his talent probably should have enjoyed.  “Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me.”

  38. rhino514 says:


    Regarding the article by Jack Todd and in general the comments posted in the last few days regarding Saku Koivu:

    I love Saku Koivu. He embodies what it means to wear the CH. A humble, hard-working, CHbleeding player and a great human being. That being said, Saku Koivu should have learned some very basic french. We are not talking about mastering the language here; we are talking about being able to handle some basic terms which you can learn in a month and change. That´s all anyone has ever asked for.

    Hockey writers and fans will say that he was paid to play hockey and bring home a Stanley Cup; that we would gladly trade for 23 New Zealanders, or Namibians, or North Koreans if they can bring home a Cup. This is a case (and Todd as a hockey writer usually commits this mistake) of intellectually having a strong grasp of an issue without feeling the issue because you are alien to it. I´m an anglophone, but my mother stuck my a%&s in french high school and it made me realize the sad truth about how difficult it is to relate to francophones for an anglo and viceversa. I was lucky enough to have the experience to be in a francophone milieu for 5 years.

    Francophones are not demanding, intolerant, nor prejudicial. Again, all anyone has ever asked for is a gesture of learning a few choice words in order to get by in an interview.  Nothing against Todd, or most of the other writers, or most canadians outside of Quebec for that matter. but if you haven´t grown up being involved in a francophone milieu you just can´t understand why this would be important. This type of gesture goes straight to the heart of francophones. It ISN´T just about hockey here. Montreal is unique to all other north american cities, where athletes just get paid to perform and no one cares about the rest. The Montreal Canadiens are a unique franchise in north america. This isn´t negative in any respect; this is what makes the Montreal Canadiens the greatest hockey franchise in the world and Montreal the most vibrant city in North America.

    The Koivu language saga was and is a microcosm of our country´s saga. We don´t realize how lucky we are to be in this country. What makes it great are these two cultures. Just A SMALL GESTURE, every now and then,  to the other half of our country, to show you care. Because the other half wants to stick around, i can tell you that (don´t believe anyone who tells you otherwise) , and just wants that small gesture every now and then to see that the other half cares.

  39. shootdapuck says:

    That’s an understatement!

  40. RGM says:

    When it comes to the referees I think it’s that things are coming to a head after many years of utter incompetence.

    • As I wrote in my article that is linked below, the game has changed in so many ways since the lockout yet we see the same officials making the same mistakes and not being held accountable. Sports fans see very good officials in other sports such as the likes of Ed Hochuli or James Joyce get called on the carpet for blown calls that affect the outcome of a game, yet it does not happen in hockey when one of Bettman’s prized zebras gets it so badly wrong.
    • I agree with you in that there is no conspiracy, it is simply incompetence. Dean Lombardi crossed the line but he had a very legitimate beef with the officials. For crossing the line he got fined $50000. Do you remember what Milan Lucic got for popping a guy in the head when the player’s arms were being held by the referee? $3500. And again, no accountability for the referee for clearly making the wrong call. Does anybody out there believe that assaulting a player is 1/14 as great a crime against the game as calling into question the credibility of an official? I doubt it.
    • As for our players, maybe it is merited to some degree the penalties that they do receive, but it is greatly frustrating to see Pouliot go off for something so chintzy when there’s a vivid memory of Lars Eller getting mugged into the boards only days earlier with no call.

    Go Habs Go!

  41. FW Penney says:

    The Fred Factor… Philly will be toast…every Habs fan should get one of these iconic toasters!

  42. Chris says:

    After Andy van Hellemond completely muffed the call when Sakic scored while Kovalev lie dying on the ice from a “vicious” slash, he was suspended for the rest of the playoffs.  That’s not insignificant given that he was widely recoginized at the time as the NHL’s top referee, routinely working NHL Finals games at that point of his career.

    Referees routinely lose the right to work further in the playoffs based on the quality of their officiating, sometimes even the respected ones.  If you make a bad call, it CAN come back to the referee.  The league is just smarter than most fans and knows enough not to cut off its nose to spite its face, which would be the appropriate analogy to a league coming out and saying, “Hey, you fans are right…our officials are terrible!”

  43. habsguy says:

    Got one….Avon sells them !!!

  44. joeybarrie says:


    Jack Todd: Back to his usual drivel. First off Koivu has had lower production this season in Anaheim, however, last season he has his usual, career average,  0.75 points per game. So I do not think he did poorly in Anahiem. Yes the French media was hard on him, but then again they are hard on everyone NOT FRENCH. So why should he be different. The fans were not. Yeah we were dying to keep him, we had not had a top 10 (ok top 11) scorer in a long time. We ended up number 1 that year, and I think the fans also knew Koivu’s time in Montreal was over too. BUT KOVY NEVER GOT THE OVATION KOIVU DID. Kovy gets booed when he is here in Montreal, and Koivu got ANOTHER standing O.

    REFS: Ridiculous. yeah its alot of paranoia when it comes to calls we think are only against us, but this paranoia comes honestly, because the Refs have sucked for us for awhile now. We are constantly getting bad calls against us. The league should be doing better regarding this, but I only expect them to do nothing until there is something to react to, they are not, nor even have been, pro-active….

    PHILLY: They beat Ottawa 6-2, we beat Ottawa 7-1… WE CAN BEAT PHILLY, but i doubt we will…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  45. Timo says:

    Really, can’t say donkey b@lls on this site? 

  46. rogieshan says:

    For the record, Koivu battled Non-Hodgkin lymphoma, not stomach cancer as Todd erroneously stated.

  47. Timo says:

    True that. Maybe in this politically correct age when one can’t say donkey b@lls without being delete, he could have phrased it differently, but in general he is not wrong. He signed with Detroit and then boom – go play for the Isles. The rule is stupid. How would you feel if Habs signed MAB and then he got claimed by some useless bottom feeder team>

  48. light_n_tasty says:

    How is Jack Todd still employed?  Seriously.  He’s a complete idiot.  He must’ve been hired by the same guy who hired the Gazette’s IT people.

  49. joeybarrie says:

    He is still employed the same way The National Enquirer is still a major selling paper. Reaction like yours show the effect. I agree with you completely, but then again let’s try to remember these things happen all the time. That ‘Fountain Lady’ who walked into the fountain is trying to sue the mall for laughing at her and making her a laughing stock. Meanwhile if you look at the video there would have been no way to tell who she was until SHE told everyone it was her. Yet she thinks SHE deserve some sort of justice (that and the charges of theft, fraud and hit and run against her should magically go away)…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  50. Chris says:

    Having read most of those features, I would be quite shocked if you were a target, Dave.  Your features are consistently classy and well-written, almost always bringing the human perspective forwards for players that fans all too often forget are not simple millionaire automatons without a care in the world.

  51. The Teacher says:

    Blame the KHL, not the NHL>

  52. notbigbird says:

    I had the Todd article open, but after reading the comments, I decided not to bother. Thanks guys and gals.

    I am a little stunned by the Leclerc article since many Anglos here prefer the RDS version, even some who are more or less unilingual.

  53. Gormdog says:

    If Nabokov wants to play in the NHL, he has got to play by the NHL rules. How are people CRITICIZING Snow for trying to help his team, for the first time, ever?


    It’s a good rule. It’s stops players from picking and choosing their terms on how they re enter the league. Keep in mind these are all guys who stepped out of the NHL in the first place, by their own accord. If they were “forced” out, and brought back, well the point is moot because they should be happy playing anywhere.


    I’m glad Nabby got stiffed.

  54. habfan53 says:

    You know it is a stupid rule when Mike Millbury agrees with it as he did Saturday night.

  55. TheDagger says:

    He will not have to clear waivers as he wasn’t playing under a contract with anyone this year.

  56. Chris says:
    • Right.  A cellar-dwelling team with no playoff aspirations that has just traded a veteran goaltender for a guy that most scouts doubt will ever play in the NHL is trying to help itself out by signing Nabokov.  The Islanders are in a rebuilding mode.  They should be getting playing time for younger players and looking to the future.  A 35-year old goalie is not the future, especially one that told that team he would rather stay retired than sign with them.
    • Snow is a clown of a GM that just made another enemy, and this time it is one of the most well-respected and well-connected front offices in hockey. 
  57. Chris says:

    I’m not 100% certain, but I believe the key is whether the player had been signed to a professional contract in another league.  If Forsberg has not played for MoDo this season, than he should be an unrestricted free agent and therefore free to sign with any team he likes (much like Mats Sundin a couple of years ago).  In Nabokov’s case, he was playing in the KHL and therefore must go on waivers to re-enter the NHL.  That Garth Snow picked him up just shows that Garth Snow is an absolute idiot and ensures that he will be unemployed in the not so distant future, because I can’t see too many agents or other GM’s dealing with him unless they have to.

  58. HabFanSince72 says:

    Not a stupid rule.


    It’s designed to stop vets from going to Russia for half the year and then just showing up for the final push and playoffs. The really stupid thing is “Nabokov helping someone win the Stanley Cup”. The guy is a serial choker.  It’s like saying Joe Thornton is the missing piece to win the cup.

  59. mrhabby says:

    sens notes…Pierre Mcguire has been interviwed for the GM job(lol) Mcquire is a big fan of Kirk Muller. Ottawa is throwing in the towel on this year and will conduct a total rebuid it looks like.

  60. HabFanSince72 says:

    The NHL can’t allow players to play half the season in Russia and then just show up for the playoffs.



  61. HabFanSince72 says:

    And another thing about Todd. He was one of the ring leaders of the bash Patrice Brisebois cabal, which lead to Brisebois getting booed mercilessly by his own fans.



  62. HabFanSince72 says:

    Yes the French media was hard on him, but then again they are hard on everyone NOT FRENCH.


    This is patently ridiculous.

  63. HabFanSince72 says:

    Pierre is always on the shortlist.

  64. avatar_58 says:

    What’s the difference if a team offers a KHL player a contract versus some guy sitting on his couch in North America? If Foresberg made a mircaculous recovery and signed last minute for good money it’s ok, but Nabokov right now for low money isn’t?

    It seems like a rule for rules sake if you ask me.

  65. Gormdog says:

    You answered your own question.

    NYI got AN ASSET in return for Roloson. Your, and others, percieved value of that asset is neither here nor there.


    Nabokov replaces a hole that they had just created in their lineup (they HAD Roloson there for a reason, remember, so there is use and room for another seasoned vet. They just felt the asset outweighed the use of Roloson).

    Is this really that hard to understand? I’m glad someone stood up to the Wings, and I bet you dollars to donughts that NYI wasn’t the only team to take a ride on the Nabby train (had their waiver spot arised)



  66. Max_a_million says:

    I had been avoiding Jack Todd as well for the past couple of years, but he had his about face an apology there when it came to bashing Carey Price for far to long, I was cautiously optimistic about a new leaf.  Turns out more of the same old jerky garbage.

  67. habfan53 says:

    I just want to clarify something :  Jack Todd disses Brisebois so the MINDLESS fans Have to boo him ?? Give me a break what ever happened to free will ?   

  68. CBrady12 says:

    No he didnt’, man i am sick of people on here presenting themselves as if they have any sort of medical knowledge. Stomach cancer and NHL are NOT the same thing. 


    GOD its not enough that everyone here thinks they are gods gift to hockey knowledge now everyone thinks they are a doctor as well!!!

  69. Chris says:
    • No, this isn’t that “hard to understand”.  I just completely disagree with your point of view, as you do mine.  I will kindly point out that it doesn’t in any way signify an inability to understand.  Nabokov is a respected veteran player who does not, at least to my knowledge, have a negative reputation in the game.  Garth Snow basically slapped the guy in the face, and for what?  To finish in 13th place in the East instead of 14th?  Come on.  The move makes no sense from a roster point of view (they have no hope of seeing him report), it makes no sense professionally (good luck to you Garth in trying to deal with other veteran free agents) and it makes no sense for their future.  They had nothing to gain here, and more reputation to lose. 
    • I don’t mind seeing the Wings missing out on Nabokov.  That was always a risk.  The issue for me and many others is that a team that has no hope of being a player is monkeying around with a guy’s career for little gain.  You think Snow did this so he can pick up a 3rd or 4th round draft pick?  Is the reputational fallout of the move really worth that return?
    • It’s cost benefit analysis for me.  I see a hefty cost to the Islanders in a number of ways with almost no benefit.
  70. Chris says:
    • Oh, I go back to the mid 1980’s.  And I freely admit, there are more phantom calls now than in the past because of the league mandate, driven by the fans mind you, to call more obstruction.  Everybody was on board with that coming out of the lockout:  the league, the players and the fans.  One of the big surprises, at least for me, was how often the small speedy skill players started getting called for obstruction.  But when you think about it, a guy like Koivu doesn’t really have a lot of options when it comes to slowing a guy like Getzlaf from getting where he wants to go.
    • But bad calls and phantom calls are not new.  There have always been “even up” calls in the NHL…how often in the old days did you see a team take a few penalties in a row, knowing the refs were going to call the next one against the Habs no matter how slight it might be.  Some of those were the phantom calls…a phantom call is simply one where we can’t understand how they could call a penalty.  But we have the benefit of slow-motion replay and numerous camera angles.  Standing on the same ice surface 30-50 feet away might change our opinions.
  71. Mattyleg says:

    He did, actually. He wanted to play with his ol’ pal Teemu.

    And yes, they can pick where they go. The management wouldn’t just ship off to wherever someone like Saku without his consent.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  72. joeybarrie says:

    Then why do they keep pushing for MAB, and in fact say he would have been a better choice than the Wiz???

    Besides I do not have the patent on ‘The French Media’ statement…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  73. joeybarrie says:

    But that isnt what he is trying to do. he is trying to come before the trade deadline. FAIR to me…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

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