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• Red Fisher on Serge Savard’s 66th birthday
• Pat Hickey’s game story
• Quotes from the room
• Paper-bag protest?
• Audio: Spatcho on “a big mess”
• Pat Hickey on tanking
• Red’s notebook
• Pierre Ladouceur’s game report card
• Ken Campbell on a coach swap
• Players’ wives talk about cooking
At the deadline, I would trade:
Pleks to the Rangers for Brandon Dubinsky + 2012 2nd + 2013 3rd
Gill to Philadelphia for Marc Andre Bourdon
AK46 to Winnipeg for Patrice Cormier
In the off-season: sign Brad Stuart or Tim Gleason if it is clear Markov won’t be back, sign Cody McLeod for the 4th line, bring back Cube, buyout Kaberle, buyout Gomez, waive Weber, trade Diaz for a prospect or pick
Your 2012-2013 Montreal Canadiens:
Markov (or Stuart/Gleason)-Emelin
Who’s ranked 1st for the 2013 draft that you want That bad dude?
“Max Pacioretty could be our Phil Kessel”
– Sean Bonjovi
That bad, huh?
You make it seem so easy to be a GM, it’s amazing the Ghost can’t seem to do it! What colour is the sky in your world?
Smarten up. RC knew Gomer wouldn’t score. Pissburgh tanked on purpose during the Cindy draft year. They pulled the same tactics the Habs are and will be pulling the rest off this season to weed out the weak. Get use to it. Picking Gomex for the shoot out is the start of the process.
No Habs fan ever wants to see this team lose. Ever. The size issues on this team has come home to roost. Going with no enforcers on the team has proven lethal. Players that don’t fight need enforcers to keep things right. Case in point, Buffalo after Miller’s hit by Lucy. Not the same team with the same team.
The good news here is we have an excellent core of players we can build around. I’m more concerned with putting the right people in charge to right the ship. I lost faith in Gainey, Gauthier must go and the owner needs to be a smart hockey guy willing to surround himself with the best PROVEN people and be actively involved.
I might be wrong, but I’m pretty sure Pitts didn’t tank to get Crosby. It was the lockout year. The Pens won the lottery for the draft.
I watched many of their games. They sucked that year and worked the rebuild system. Let’s put it this way. They didn’t help themselves when they could have. They knew what they were doing.
From Ken Campbell’s article:
“So why don’t Lightning GM Steve Yzerman and whoever replaces Pierre Gauthier as GM in Montreal propose a one-for-one trade of their coaches?”
I like how it’s already assumed by some members of the media that Gauthier will be gone by the end of the year. He’s done that bad of a job…
All I can say is Pat Hickey is as simplistic as they come.
He says there are a few flaws in the theory that the Habs should aim for a high draft pick.
The best – or should we say the worst – the Canadiens can hope for is they wind up with a chance to draft in the top five in the lottery and then they have to hope (a) they draft the right player and (b) that player is able to produce immediate dividends.
It is his (b) part that is the clincher. Whoever the Habs select they should develop properly and not rush. Pat Hickey seems to be of the once you make the play-offs anything can happen school. Maybe if Hickey did his homework instead of tow the party line to gain access to “the room” he’d note that since the Conference format was introduced every team that won the Cup was top 5 save three who were top 10. In that span the Habs have one top 10 finish. The average placing for the Habs year in and year out is 16th place.
It will take mare than one summer to turn this team around and more work is needed bringing in talent via the draft. This building a team via free agency knee jerk reflex the Habs have is why they are the laughing stock of the NHL.
So Hickey says there’s no guarantees with a high draft pick. Really? How has finishing 16th over the course of 20 years working Pat? Why not espouse the virtues of mediocrity some more.
You take your frustrations out on a sports writer when it’s really the execrable management of Savard (Serge), Houle, Gainey and Gauthier you should be focusing on. How about a little patience on your part, tanking would be bloody awful to watch and worse than what we’ve experienced since 1993. One player won’t turn it around and as we saw with guys from Dryden (drafted by the Beans), Robinson, Lafleur and others it takes many years to develop a kid. No guarantees, look at Price. Hickey didn’t say anything controversial. Who fired Demers, Julien, Therrien, Vigneault and Carbo? How about addressing the PQ sportswriters who whip up franco nationalism, digging the hole even deeper? Your darts are misplaced. One hot goalie (not Price evidently) can take you many rounds. Is that bad? You’d rather tank? I’ll never forget what Jaro did, I haven’t had that much fun since 1993. Winning is good. Throwing games is amateur and bullshti.
”First of all, you have to have continuity if you are to have success,” Pollock told the New York Times. ”I think it gets the manager and the players to become more attached to each other.” – Sam Pollock
Do you even live in Montreal?
Maybe you are happy with a team that scratches and claws its way to a final play off spot each season but I am not.
BTW. I pick the Blues to win the Cup this year.
I remember what Jaro did,
He left his net to check Mike Richards,nearly killed Hamer
Richards scored into the empty net.
Lost the series to the Flyers because his agent was hell bent on a big contract in the middle of a cup run.
wow you are right on the money. we need to rebuild with new management. http://www.firegauthier.com check the site.
Outdoor game in Hamilton within first minute A Dogs goal & fight….
The Red Fisher / Serge Savard report is a ‘must read’ for anyone on this site that can not remember the 1993 Stanley Cup. This franchise (once) had one purpose only: win the Cup.
Today the chatter is truly ‘make the playoffs and see what happens’ … that my friends is LEAFS talk.
Accept nothing less than Stanley Cup.
— HABS INSIDE/OUT R.I.P. –
People whine about our management and have a right to. The real goat here is not the goat actually, Gainey was the guy that put the munchkins together while everyone was getting bigger. He let go of the better goalie no matter what the Pricebots say here.
And the number one thing is Geoff Molson who needs to grow a pair and be the boss not just a spectator. Hockey is not brain surgery and when stupid decisions are made he needs to put his foot down. Last nite in St. Louis they had a shot of the owner and John Davidson looking like the cat that ate the canary while Halak was being a wall. When people give up on season tickets Geoff it’s going to be you that takes it in the shorts by ruining this storied franchise. Wake up and get your shit together. Clean house, hire the best people you can and not alumni cause it looks good. Let’s go damn it!
Gauthier was the head of scouting duing the era that has drafted such studs as kyle chipchura and fischer.
…hire the best people you can and not alumni cause it looks good.
Halak faced 15 shots last night.. :\
Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?
Price face 16 shots against the Caps and let in 3.
Spatcho…..zip it !!! No offense old friend , you were great while here , but not missed. I can hardly understand what your saying most the time so……what difference did it make too you that there was a language controversy ?? English/French….what coach can understand you ??? Peace out , and try not to fall for media entrapment in the future. Zip it !!
Where is Spacek, exactly? Does Carolina still have a hockey team? Who the hell cares what he has to say..He was a plug, anyway..
Yeah we’re doing way better with Campoli and Kaberle than we were with Hamer and Spatcho.
Campoli & Kaberle do not cost almost 8 million a year……
Kaberle has almost twice as many points and spacecake and hamrlik combined and has a history of staying healthy. Lets just say we keep kaberle for the next 2 years and puts up his usual 45 points or so, what is he worth at the trade deadline in 2 years(or even next year) compared to what spacek would have got us this year? He got burke the equivilent fo 2 first rounders and a 2nd rounder less then a year ago.
The days of 45pts for Mr.Kaberle are long gone.
Really? He had 47 points just last season.
They are all plugs..
I’m not a pro hockey GM, I’m just learning how to be one on interwebby bloggy type thingys. In that regard I’m grateful for the comments here and on other Habs sites.
I’ve learned that knee jerk reactions are par for the course when your team is spiraling downwards and you’re looking for easy answers and quick solutions. I’ve learned that giving up on talented young players is de rigueur for building a winning team. I’ve learned that packaging a bunch of under performing plugs should bring a high value return in any trade scenario. And I’ve learned that trading players is a simple as clicking “A” on my controller.
So I’m pretty well ready to be a full fledged, card carrying, accredited NHL GM now and I’m working up my first trade idea. It’s a complicated 6 team player/management swap that involves exchanging 17 players, 3 coaches, a couple of GMs and an equipment guy named Curly over in Columbus. I think the key to the deal is Curly. My sources tell me he’s creating a lot of unrest in his team’s dressing room.
First thing you need to do before you take on the role of armchair Internet GM is learn how think for yourself. Since that isn’t going to happen just do as I do not as I say.
Those of you crying to trade PK are absolutely insane.
He is 22.
He is a 2nd year defenseman.
And he is consistently playing first line minutes and against the opposition’s top lines.
How many other 22 year old 2nd year players are being forced into the top defensive pairing?
As a 2nd year player, PK should be playing against the opposition’s 2nd and 3rd lines. But he’s not. And because of the Habs’ lack of defensive depth, PK is out there against the very best every night.
And so he makes mistakes.
But he is 22. And there’s a lot being asked of him. Cut the guy some slack, because given the time to develop, PK will be an all star on the Habs’ D.
did u steal his nickname …Bell Center Hotdog !!! haha
The team we have right now is two 20-goal scores away from being a very good team – we don’t need to blow this team up – we have max-pac, cole, kostitsyn, bourque, Gionta, pleks, if we could bring in 2-3, 20-goal scores this team is set – the problem with this team – we keep hanging on to the deadwood and it’s destroying our team
with time the “Defence” will improve- they’re young and inexperience
we have two good goalies – all we need is those 2-3 steady 20 goal scores we may not win a cup right away but it’ll be an improvement over this year.
According to Pierre Ladouceur, Bourque took the night off last night. Is that true?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.
Bourque did not have a big game.
RC picked Gomez for the shootout because Gauthier threw him under the bus because of the French media.
I’ll repeat what I said below too:
The Habs are one excellent to elite defenseman, one excellent to elite centre, two stay at home defensemen (at least one with a cannon) and 4th line away. That and they need to bury Gomez’ contract and get rid of Kaberle. Apart from that they are close.
That’s a little bit like saying “Apart from that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?”
Our chief weapons are fear and surprise
I agree with Tom’s post below that we are not far from being a good team.
However, neither are the Isles and Lightning.
The Canes on the other hand …
OH MY! It is tough enough on the fans watching this product perform. Can you imagine being a player walking in public? The 1st question by every person that passes them by is! How’s the wife? I kind of doubt it.
Now they are in Torona! Will we get our noses rubbed in it tomorrow? or will the boys muster up a little pride?
I for one will be watching and wearing my sweater!
I concur my friend !! I’ll be watching also with the sweather on ..but I’m thinkin’ about a paper bag over head !! my best bud is a Leaf fan and we watch the games together..so Saturday nite @ the Stevieray household could be a black rum nite ..I’ thinkin’…
hope they bring their A game !!!
Jst finished plowin’ snow …in for the day restin’ up for the tilt tonite !
If the Habs win only one more game this year, please let it be tonight. A real ass-kicking on the Laffs would just make the whole winter better
I am with you on that partner !
I will be in my TO livingroom glued to my TV wearing my Habs Jersey.
My grandaughter will be at The ACC tonight … wearing her Pacioretti sweater … no paper bag though … the ex pats in TO live on.
The Canadiens should :
Hire a coach for the D who will have the respect of the players, we forget what Jacques Laperriere brought to the team.
They need to surround the players with pros who know what they are talking about. If they do not do that, they will NEVER develop the players to NHL standards. Emelin, PK, Tinordi, Beaulieu etc must be better coached and brought up slowly.
Also this we will win the Cup next year must be brought up only when we will actually have a team that will contend.
So the next 3 years must be about having a team that will be ready, with players that are playing together and developing a chemistry together. If management cannot see a player with this type of team in 3 years, they must be delt for players who will be, either underperforming prospects in other organizations, or through the draft.
Also the Canadiens must spend lots of $$$$ for player scouting and player development. I would hire a guy like Nilan to be a special assistant to the Canadiens in order to watch over them. He knows the ins and the outs and knows the traps a player can fall into.
The organization needs organization.
Eric! Is there any players left anywhere that used to play on consistent winners here.? and can speak French. I think only on black and white news reels!
L’Antichamber last night … open with … hire Vigneault …reason one … he speaks french … click.
The guy on the right in the pic very much looks like AK46. I thought it was one of Boone’s photoshop experiments.
HAHA i thought the same thing
It is AK – it was taken a short while after his stick broke last night.
The whole team got one each getting off the plane in TO.
Our season will end with the 82nd regular season game. And quite possibly with 82 points. Ah, the irony.
The balance of the schedule, as I have said before, is just tryouts for next year.
In all pro leagues there have been many really bad teams that get beaten badly most nights but generally the teams that have a poor record keep many games close and get beaten at the end….so our close games may fool us thinking that we are better than we are…
That or losing so many one goal games and blowing so many leads could mean that the team is an excellent to elite defenseman away from being one of the better teams in the league.
We are 3rd in the league with the most one goal loses. Even having an average or slightly above average PP would probably have us sitting in a playoff spot or at worst a point or so out. Stastically we are pretty good on the defensive side of the puck and very good on the PK. Our 5 on 5 is in the top half of the league. Its been our suckass powerplay that has been killing us all year.
So if the PP was at 20% the Habs would be sitting pretty at 16th again? I’ll take the high draft pick instead.
A 20% PP puts us 9th in the league in scoring,i doubt that makes us 16th.
Nick A. Please stop repeating yourself. We all heard your idea the first time and got that you REALLY believed it by the 5th time.
It took until the 9th, for me..
I’ve said it on here for two years. It hasn’t changed. We need a stud defensemen who can walk the walk and talk the talk, taking pressure off the other five guys. P.K Subban walked into an impossible situation, he’s the most talented D by far, and has had to shoulder the blame many nights for turnovers caused partly from having to play too many minutes. Tooooo many.
The only way I even think about trading P.K. is if it’s for Shae Weber, and only in a sign and trade with Nashville. Otherwise, I try to pick up our “stud” D in FA.
If AK, AK, AK, says he’ll give a hometown discount, Gauthier will go along way in saving his job by re-signing him. Do it now, he’s got to be on this team next year. I guarantee if we lose him, everyone will realise how important of a player he was.
Can we get anyone to take Kaberle? Man, once again I’ve said this since the trade,…..it’s the move that should get PG fired, the last straw. Such a poor move.
If you want to change this team for next year, you can do it with one move. Of course this one move has to come after letting Kaberle, Gill, Campoli, and Gomez off the books. The one move is to go get a big, strong, tough, D man with a shot for the PP. Trade Markov if you have to. Maybe he’ll come back and play 15 games before the end of the year to help moving him. Put up Markov, Kaberle, Weber and Campoli with some draft picks and send them to Nashville for the bigger WEBER. Or get in a GM who can be creative to fill this huge leaking void on our team. I remember watching Souray coming into the Bell Center before a big Saturday Night Game and watching how his teammates walked behind him, looking a little more secure and confident, knowing that his prescence on and off the ice simply made it more enjoyable to be on the team.
Right now we have no one, no one on the back end who really leads. I love Gorges, but when it comes down to it, he’s unfortunately too small to really lay the smack down in front of Price.
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I woke up this morning and read tweets from Stubbs and Louis Jean, both coming to the defensive of PK. Sure the SH goal was his fault, but that goal made it 3-2. Habs regained that 2 goal lead right back. So cut the kid some slack. He was benched for about 5 minutes and came back and i thought he responded well.
The really thing about last nite and i do not know why anyone hasnt mentioned it, im sure RC saw it and so did Gorges who raised his hand, but Malkin was off-side on that goal. Oh well though, what can you do about it now.
The thing about this team, is i feel its not has bad as the record. We have lost only 2 games by scores greater than 4 goals or more, and only a few by 3 goals or more. The games are all close, and for the most part (save for a few stinkers) the team has been in most games.
I hate to see the Habs lose games, but im also a realist and at this point of the season and 9 pts back of a playoff spot, we are not making it. Start the rebuild, shed the salarly, sign Price, Eller, Emelin and Subban and get some of the kids in here and in a few years look out.
Can’t cut PK any slack. Who knows maybe we go up 4-1 on the PP.
“take your time and hurry up”
Blame (50%) for whoever was supposed to be on left wing covering the other side.
I thought that was off-side on Malkin’s goal as well and I said so when I saw it. We never got another good look at though and nothing was mentioned on TV. Saw the hilite this morning and I still think it was off-side, Glad someone else thinks so.
I just want to touch on the Gomez in the shoot out topic..
I can see why Cunneyworth put him in there (To see if he can get him going), but it shouldn’t have really gotten to a shoot out in the 1st place, so the decision to have him there is moot…
It was a perfect time to get Gomez his swagger and confidence back and maybe catch fire, somehow..Stranger things have happened..What if he had have scored on that attempt? I am not a huge Gomez fan, as I think the guy just doesn’t seem like he knows how to alter his game to succeed, but I am sure it would go a long way in ridding this team of that anchor of a contract if he somehow grew some actual trade value..
Face it, this season is done..No more flickers, no more pulses, etc..We are D-O-N-E done..We need to maximize our assets to get a better return..If it means sucking up a loss in PITT by trying to jump start a slumping vet in the scoring dept. so we can get a better return, then so be it..I was actually hoping he would score, not for the win or to extend the SO, but to maybe turn something on in his head and show the rest of the potential trading partners that he still has something left in the tank..
I am a diehard Habs fan like most of you.
And now we need group therapy as we are coming to the relization that this season is a bust – and its not even February.
I don’t think the team is an embarassment – no need for bags yet. We compete almost every night and with a little luck could be battling for 8th spot – not a very lofty goal.
I have a few complaints this year though and it started with training camp – I thought we were a little greedy playing 6 or 7 games in a row and ripping off the fan base. They entered the season unprepared and this was especially noticeable on our special teams. The PK improved but the PP has been a catastrophy.
In past years the PP kept us alive – this year – no such luck. I think its that simple.
I think Price has been fine – he gets no support and can’t give up anything. If you watch highlites of other games – ALL goalies give up some weaker goals -he has not given up many. I find comparing goalie stats ridiculous. Put any of the top 5 goalies in our net and I would dougt if they would do better. Put CP in Boston or Vancouver or Philly – it would be scary Price good.
As for PK – we have created a monster. We did the same with Lats. PK PK when he carries the puck – it was fine with the flower but lets give our young players some time to earn fan adulation.
I hate to see the team mocked. Bergie – what an ass. Yes – I was surprised to see Gomez be given a chance in the shoot-out. But RC was trying to build his confidence , get him going – whatever – its not like we had Gretzky on the bench ( remember that on?).
Thanks for reading. I feel better.
Price serves up more pies than Metro. His stats don’t lie, read ‘em and weep. The double standards applied to his failures going back four years now are appalling. Btw Halak is now 6th in the NHL with a 2.00 GAA and may very well finish top five after a rough start and a hand injury to boot. He is 10-0-3 in his last 13 games and has not lost in regulation since Nov. 22, 2011. They traded the wrong goalie.
What about the team in front of Halak? Does that not have a significant impact on a goaltender’s performance? Also, the Blues have momentum on their side while the Habs have everything going wrong.
Is Subban really playing that bad?!
I do not think so!
PK was drafted 43rd overall in his draft year. This guy is not a phenom, but a very talented and gifted individual. He is not going to be a crosby, malkin or ovechkin… but a guy that is going to have to work extremely hard to reach his full potential. Subban last year was thrusted into a role he was not ready for, and if anyone remembers, he played like crap in the first half until he picked it. The ones to blame here is the organization for not getting PK an adequate vet that can relieve him of the work load and mentor him. Hal Gill is not what I am talking about. I’m talking about a guy that play heavy minutes and also put up good offensive numbers, a type of guy PK can model his game around. The same mistake was made with Price, in terms of getting him a veteran backup to show him the ropes. It just seems like the organization does not learn from its mistakes.
Lets face it, the Habs suck this year, and it is going to have a trickle down effect on all the players including PK. Yes, PK is not perfect, but by trading him away you better hope we get someone that can adequately play his minutes, otherwise, you’re doing the organization a disservice.
PK: (3G, 15A, 18P) 0 +/-
Here are some guys you can compare PK to:
1) John Carlson, who along with PK, entered the league last year, and was considered a Calder candidate (Was not even nominated). He plays on a far superior team:
(5G, 18A, 23P) 0 +/-
2) Jamie McBain: (4G, 14A, 18P) -7 +/-
3) Tyler Myers (3G, 5A, 8P) -8 +/- (only 27 GP)
4) Drew Dougthy (3G, 17A, 20P) 1 +/-
5) And finally, Kris Letang, a Norris Trophy candidate. It took him a full 4 years in the NHL before he broke out for 50 points.
In his second year, he had 33 points. However, in his third year he dipped in production to 27 points. How glad must the pens be that they didn’t trade him away!
It is not the end of the world. Players have bad season, but guess what, they also have bounce back seasons and can go on to have illustrious careers. Its a learning process that all the aforementioned players are going through or have gone through. PK is no exception!
Relax folks… Let the guy Mature, put him in a better environment, and I guarantee PK will come out of this a better player
P.K is not playing that bad. He is just a kid for pete`s sake. We elevated the guy to godly status and yelled when he was benched last year. Still he is a kid that needs to be coached and reminded hundreds of time the same thing as we do with other kids.
Some say it`s the second year jinx as many other defenceman face but i think it is even more confusing in Montreal. If we listen to many we will get rid of him and make a huge mistake cause clearly the guy has talent . Problem is someone made him play 25 minutes a game as if he was a veteran able to face every major league situations.
And i find its the same people that will bitch and moan against management saying that we keep trading our assets away for nothing.
Just some extra fact… From all the guys listed above, only Letang and Doughty have more ice time per game than PK.
The only guys ahead PK are guys that have played several years in the league!
PK would be much better with Larry Robinson coaching him.
Hmm, many of his turnovers have led to goals, which definitely hurts the team. But then again, in a season where nothing seems to be going right, he has had to be the team’s top defensemen along with Gorges while being in his sophomore year, which is a huge responsibility. The point, I think, is that he’s not playing badly enough to be constantly mauled by his critics and thrown under the bus. PK has many years in his career ahead of him, and I fear that certain people are willing to give him away just because of a disappointing year (the notorious sophomore year at that).
@TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
MTL’s P.K. Subban fined $2,500 for slew-foot trip last night on PIT’s Chris Kunitz.
4 minutes ago
Hickey rehashes the lack of guarantees associated with tanking. Yawn, thanks.
I think it’s time we distinguish perrenial sad sacks like Columbus from teams with good management who used high picks to create cup contenders like pittsburgh and Chicago (Scotty bowman involved in both cases, hmmm…).
Question 1: are we led by executives who will leverage or squander a high pick?
Question 2: can Scotty Bowman be enticed to join us a consultant to build a foundation for a franchise he loves?
Last 2 games we played teams that played the night before and we were off..capitals get a s/o and the penguins come back from a 2 goal deficit to win…..we may like many of the players on the team if you look at their individual assets but maybe they just dont work as a core group together…i just dont think you can bring back all of our top 9 forwards and have success…
The more i think of it the more i find that the key word to sommerize the season is GUESS.
Let`s take a GUESS and sign Markov even though…
Let`s take a GUESS and see what those rookies can do in a long pre-season schedule.
Let`s take a GUESS and sign Campoli to give him a fresh start.
Let`s take a GUESS and see if P.K can give us 25 minutes per game and replace a veteran.
Let`s take a GUESS and sign Kaberle.
Let`s take a GUESS and fire coach Martin.
Let`s take a GUESS and hire coach R.C.
Let`s take a Guess and see what Weber can do on this P.P.
Let`s take a GUESS and remove Cammy from that room.
Let`s take a GUESS and see what Gomez can do on the shootout.
Although i am not pretending that all those moves are heads or tails, i think that there are quite a few and that the what if ? question was not considered in many of those decisions.
For this reason and for the confusion now obvious around who we should keep and who we should let go, i hope that the Habs have a fresh new chance to start something with a new G.M.
guessing is what gauthier does best.
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You forgot Let`s take a GUESS and sign Erik Cole.
“Merci beaucoup.” Randy Cunnyworth
No question that many of those decisions are appearing to be poor ones. However, isn’t hockey management all a guess to some degree? Doug Wickenheiser and Alexander Daigle were the studs of their respective draft years. You could argue that the Montreal Canadiens and Ottawa Senators “guessed” that their junior hockey success would translate into NHL success. We all know how they worked out.
I do share your frustration though, dude.
Cough… How is this a proud franchise anymore? After Quebec city lost their team the left wing press in Quebec has put a black cloud over this team making it hard to have top end Quebec born players come here as they know why the scum some in the press can be like. If it was not for GG JR putting butt’s back in the Molson centre before the name change when he owned the team who know’s what would have happend.I going to state something here and say who I think is to blame for this mess. Molson should never have been the owner of the franchise and point my middle at him for making Le club de hockey Canadiens the joke of the NHL. Thanks Geoff.
Well, Subban got a 2500$ fine for his slewfoot on Kunitz last night.
As per Renaud Lavoie.
irrelevant. Less than 0.3% of his salary… It might be just as good as making an RRSP contribution to avoid taxes.
What about putting Eller with Kostitsyn and Plekanic?
If there’s too much pressure on the players its your fault.
After every loss it’s fire this guy, trade that guy, HATE HATE HATE.
And then you blame management for the circus.
“If there’s too much pressure on the players its your fault.”
Spot on, HFS72.
Welcome to the newer NHL: The National Headshot League.
Not Hating. Just looking for change.
I guess that was a reply to me.
I just want to clear something up, because I don’t think my point was that clear.
I did say that the management decisions added to the circus, but it’s not the only problem. I mentioned that because that is mostly what Spacek refered to in this interview.
I should have added that the fans themselves are a big part of the circus. I never imply myself in foolish trade hopes, because I don’t believe that blowing the whole team up will lead to success. I think this fanbase is impatient, and it shows just too well after a loss, or consecutive losses. I don’t hate that team. If I did, I wouldn’t watch every game and comment on this board. I hate the way things have turned out though, including Habs management, media AND fans.
That’s exactly why I wrote that I know I wouldn’t take the pressure, because of this general impatience and hate on the players.
Hope I explained my point better this time.
mb, it wasn’t aimed at anyone in particular.
The evidence is in the results, it has nothing to do with my opinon. If you had read “Robinson for the Defence” and Dryden’s “The Game” – or read them carefully – you would know I am 100% right.
Wise management puts players in situations where they can succeed, or at least optimize their skills and minimize their weaknesses.
Putting a putz who hasn’t scored in a year in the shootout in a 4 point game that mathematically we HAVE to win, is as stupid a move as I’ve ever seen, and I’m old. In fact I still can’t believe RC did it.
Certainly we can debate the potential solutions until the cows come home and you may well have some good ideas there, but in terms of how we got here? Generally, a fish rots from the head.
Yep, one of my favs in Robinson’s book;
“How tall are you?”
“Six-foot three and a bit”
“What do you weigh?”
“When are you going to play like it?”
I must read that one, too bad someone gave me “cornered by Ron Mclean” which I guess I should read since it was a gift. Same person gave me a Habs bookmark which does not help with escaping from our woes when reaing the new Stephen King novel.
Well hopefully none of the players, management or ownership is silly enough to actually read the nonsense and B.S. that is representative of 75% of the stuff posted here. The pressure to win in Montreal has little to do with this site but this site is representative of the microscope in a spotlight players have to play under when signed to this team. No wonder free agents are reluctant to sign here. I appear to be in the minority of fans who appreciate the game and appreciate the talent of the opponent and the opponent’s role in a game, as well. Although we lost, I enjoyed the game with Pittsburgh way more than the game against Washington which was merely a bad game to watch.
Maybe the fact that I lived in Montreal during the best season any team has ever had (60-8-12) colours my attitude but since no team will ever match that, I take what I can get instead of expecting it again. Anyway, I never jump off the bandwagon. I take the good with the bad. Others make losing more about themselves and their poor feelings, it seems. It’s only a game. Morning comes and life goes on. There will be other games, other teams with other players, different challenges, greater victories and the agony of more bitter defeats. That’s hockey. That’s why I love it. It’s not just about winning every game. That would be freaking boring.
“Rebuilding since 1993.”
guys, what do you think about putting AK 46, Eller and Pleks at the same line tonight?
I don’t know; wasn’t Eller, AK, Moen a good line?
(Oh, I see what you were doing. -;
yup, and for some silly reason it was broken up. Guess its the same logic that puts Kaberle on the shootout.
I don’t know…I personally would rather see Eller, Kostitsyn and Pleks
Fate leads the willing, and drags along the reluctant.
amazing idea. Eller Kostitsyn and Plekanec would be a great second line. Just think of the puck possesion, and quick shots.
I think we need more posts like this. Not enough of these posts, as far as I’m concerned.
*Sarcasm Alert activated*
No Paper bags, for God’s sake…I am not ashamed of following this team, never have been, never will..not after the riots, not after the language brouhaha. Shame is a useless emtion…so I’ll be angry, and frustrated and I’ll throw my half-cocked opinions around, but if I’m supposed to feel shame, forget it…what is this , Toronto?
I’ve just heard a rumor from League office that the NHL is going to investigate Habs as deliberately tanking. Evidence exhibit A: using Gomez in the shoot out.
L’Anne du Tanque ™
Tonight may be the closest thing we get to a playoff game this season.
I hope they put Eleer and Kostitsyn as Plekanec’s wingers.
We should NOT blow this team up! Notice we are conitnueously losing by 1 goal, usually blowing a lead, and NEVER get blown-out. We also lose when we out-play the other team, usually due to blunders. We need a few changes which will bring more size and heart to the line-up and more experience on the blueline. Keep your heads on people, U ARE STARTING TO ACT LIKE LEAF FANS! we’ve struggled for half a season, NOT 7 STRAIGHT SEASONS! Panic produces idiotic decisions: Roy trade, Leclair trade, Kaberle trade, Gomez trade (Gainey was worried he wouldn’t have a 1st line center on-time for training camp).
just put Plekanec with Eller and kostitsyn and we’ll have the best 2nd line in the nhl. no more trades please, just let them play talent with talentm and a 3rd line chequing line of Gomez Moen Bourque.
Most folks would like to shed goez, gill, gionta, AK, kabs and other high price vets. Not a Roy or eclair in the bunch.
And that, my friend, is why you blow it up.
Yep, power forward and delicious pastry
Totally agree with you. The situation is so confusing that we are in danger of not recognizing the keepers from the passengers … That team is not as bad as it plays but i think that a new way of seeing things is due in the G.M.`s office to make sure that the right moves are made and to bring fresh new ideas.
I just want to remove all traces of the Bob “the builder” rebuild.
Totally agree. Blowing up the team is not the answer for a team that is usually in every single game, but always has something going wrong this season. They just need to move certain bad contracts and some of the D men (excluding Gorges, Subban, Emelin and perhaps Diaz), and improve the team. Maybe they’ll get a good draft pick like New Jersey did last year. But starting from scratch or trading away good players that are struggling would be disastrous.
Agree Haber – no panic trades because PG feel’s pressure to “do something” .
I heard a rumour about Derek Roy? Are you kidding?
We have power-play talent – so is that a coaching problem?
We’re no longer a team of only-smurfs.
Unless someone has gone to PG and demanded to be shipped out there’s no need to get carried away.
Otherwise two big items need to be addressed.
Gettting rid of Gomez and his contract and Markov – is he ever going to play again?
We’re not alone either.
How would you like to be Pittsburgh – never knowing if Syd is coming back to take a regular spot on a consistent basis.
Well, we began the season with a loss to the Leafs, and it will pretty much end tonight the same way.
I woke up this morning remembering we used Gomez in the shoot out and I still can’t believe it.
We need the night of the long knives, and right now isn’t soon enough.
not necessary, just healthy scratch the worst d pairing from game to game, and put the eller kostitsyn with Plekanec as the 2nd line. That should do it.
I had a certain amount of empathy for RC given the untenable and one might add unfair position Gauthier put him in. However, playing Gomez and Kaberle in shootouts is unacceptable. How far does this organization have to sink? Boone’s right when he wrote that this is “the worst clusterf–k in the history of a proud franchise”.
just put plekanec with eller and kostitsyn as a 2nd line and all will be good. Habs are going to be better then.
This organisation has to sink as far as it can this year. It would be a shame to miss the playoffs only to be rewarded with a 12th place pick in the draft.
RC, PK, and the gang are adding much more value to the Habs by losing.
Think like a GM, not like a player.
drafting middle of the pack isn’t gonna get us anywhere, our last top 5 pick was Price, look at the team we played last night. Although some of them were injured… Crosby, Staal, fleury, Malkin… No one here would NOT want that talent in montreal. It’s not such a bad thing to have a bad season.
I was cutting RC all the slack in the world up until the Gomer move.
But maybe some posters are right and we are deliberately tanquing ™ — though probably we should be a bit more subtle about it.
Sorry to re-post, but I believe this is important:
Ok. Does PK screw up? Sure. He’s a kid carrying a HUGE mental burden.
He needs coaching and mentoring, and OBVIOUSLY he’s not getting it, and THAT is on management. He has outgrown Gill.
Forgive me for referencing this again, but it is important to understand. When Larry Robinson came up to the Habs, and before in Nova Scotia and Cornwall, he was nurtured, groomed, disciplined – like the fine but immature stallion that he was, until he grew into his body and matured and learned the pro game. He wasn’t just suddenly “Larry Robinson”.
But, because of Markov’s ongoing injury and bad management, Subban has to carry the mental burden of being the stud D, and he is making mistakes.
Is Markov the mentor PK needs? I have no idea, but if Markov were playing well, there wouldn’t be the same pressure.
We rushed Price and damn near ruined him (and the jury is still out, when it comes to pressure games) and we are rushing PK now.
Bad management, people. If we lose or wreck Subban, potentially a star for the ages, we are insane.
A star for the ages>how long have you been around hockey!
I agree with LA Loyalist. Players do not reach their peak after 2 full seasons. P.K. has don amazing things so far, and still lacks the experience he needs to truly excel. The best is yet to come and with his mobility, shot, and physical style the sky is the limit (but he won’t be as good as Robinson). We need to develop him every step of the way! Plus, we are in a cap system! we can’t afford to just fill our team with free agents.
Robinson was a star of the ages, a hall of famer! PK will never be a star of the ages! A 5th to 6th defensemen at best and I would be more than happy to put a friendly bet with anyone that he will not be a hall a famer!
Really and with all respect, you don’t know this — that he won’t be a star to be discussed in the same breath as Robinson. And since he’s already our #1 D by default, it’s rather inane to argue that he will be a 5th or 6th at best. Whether he truly develops it or not — which remains to be seen, and even you don’t know the future — PK has more natural talent than Robinson had. We have elevated Robinson to mythic proportions on this site and in Habland. He was good, very good, but even in his own era would not have been thought by most to have been quite as good as Brad Park or Dennis Potvin.
I mean potentially he can be key in us winning cups and one of the best offensive D in his generation. Didn’t mean to over state.
Obviously the bar is high when it comes to D in Montreal. Probably he won’t be Larry or Serge or Guy or Doug Harvey, but we’d be thrilled with 75% of those guys.
My point is he needs mentoring and coaching – and wise discipline – and he isn’t getting it.
You make good points, no doubt the turmoil, the systems, have not been good for PK. I am just pre warning everyone that this individual is not going to be a superstar. I can’t respond to the thread above from old bald bird (no reply link) More natural talent than Robinson! You got to be kidding! Maybe more show, flare, but give your head a shake!
no problem with PK. He’s good, just need to tell him that he plays as a team with his d pairing and healthy scratch the d-pairing with the worst +/- at the end of every game. Watch how well pk will play. he’s a survivor. he wants to play. Get the leverage back on pk starts with that.
Don’t get me wrong. PK has brought alot of excitement to this team But don’t compare him to Larry Robinson. Will never IMO fill those shoes. I have never seen anyone flapping back at a coach on the bench like last night after they have clearly screwed up. That’s not immaturity that’s total disrespect for your bosses.
It’s easy for a 23 year old making oodles of money not to respect his boss when his boss is shown no respect from above.
Excellent point. I’d be nice if Markov worked off ice to help PK, but we never hear that.
If PG had an inkling that Markov might not be around for this long, it makes his decision to sign him rather than another mentor all the more puzzling. PK’s game picked up noticably when Wiz arrived. Not sure if there was a correlation or just more time in the bigs, but an on-ice offensive teacher would be highly valuable to develop one of cornerstone assets.
Hopefully, that is not kaberle’s role.
so you think an nhl player is not getting coaching? He needs to start playing better as a player instead of arguing with the coaches after he screws up.
PK is very talented but I have not seen any growth since he came in two years ago. He makes the same stupid mistakes over and over. Yes, he is young but he also has to take some responsibility for his own play.
He is being overused and that is a problem thanks to the GM but don’t argue when you keep screwing up. He has costs this team quite a few games this year with bonehead plays at crucial times of the game. I would find it hard to believe that they don’t review tape of games……meaning PK is not paying attention to detail……is he uncoachable..who knows
read Dryden, who had a pretty good seat to watch his D.
Robinson didn’t come out of a box with ribbon and tissue paper. He screwed up plenty and was uncoordinated and gawky while he grew into his body. Also D takes longer to learn than offense.
Of course PK needs to be responsible, that’s part of the process.
I think Eric Desjardins could do wonders with him. RH shot D, played for the Habs (93 finals, 3 OT goals, one to remember for many). He is patient, knows the game well. Why not hire him. He could also work with Nash,Tinordi, Beaulieu and St-Denis (should be in Montreal IMO) instead of Campo and the Kab.
Al Mcneil to Larry, in 1971 (From Robinson – For the defence)
Exactly. Why the heck don’t we have a specialist D coach for all current and up and coming young D?
They fired Rick Green, is it Ladouceur now? (great job, bud) I’m not saying I want it like the NFL there’s a coach for learning to count to 3, but sheesh… I thought JM was too much of a control freak to have another voice, but now that we have a clean sheet of paper it should be a very high priority.
And that’s how they could use the teams wealth the get around the salary cap. I know this is agreed on by many here, but it drives me nuts that the team doesn’t spend a fortune on scouting, development and coaching.
Oh wait, that’s right, ownership makes it’s money selling the past to the masses, not by winning hockey games.
Dear Mtl Canadiens,
Please beat Boston to tie the season series. You are about to cost me three bottles of rum in a little over a year.
I thought the point of the brown bags was so no one could see your face? All but one has their complete face showing. They get an F.
The didn’t want to copy Ballard-era leaf fans.
How about I saw Plekanec coming out of his zone on a penalty kill and crosses centre and then knows he’s going off for a change and rather than bury the puck in the corner he flips it right into a Pitt D’s hands. Then skates off. Joke……….how about the players??????????
I watched that P.K. blunder on replay again. There were 3 Habs to Budaj’s right when he blindly threw the puck upto the opposite side. Leading 3-1 and on a powerplay it quickly gives the other team life with that boo boo. Too many times this is how this team loses. Blame PG, BG,JM.RC………How about the players?????????????
Chico, just bench the worst defensive pairing (+/- wise) at the end of every game. Then there is no need for arguing on the bench. PK can then go and score a goal to make up for it and play next game, or sit next game. Take away his perception of leverage. Guaranteed to work.
Yup. Blind passes cost goals against you.
what do you want in a player most>attitude! Does PK have it no!Not a team player. Listen to what JM said on Antichambre last week>its about him! In terms of skill, he’s predictable, jerky, nothing more than a 5th or 6th defensemen. NOt the superstar status that everyone is giving him. No way never seen it, never will. I have seen the best>orr>savard>potvin>coffey>robinson>park,Borque……….Subban will never be.
Jaroslav Spacek says he’s happy to be out of Montreal.
Dude, you took $10M of fans hard earned money despite the fact you were a washed up has-been who could barely skate back to the bench after a shift.
I have to disagree.
It hurts to say, but Spacek is speaking the truth. I think he meant to say he’s happy to be out of Montreal because of the team’s situation and the whole circus it has become. Sadly, whether we like it or not, this whole season has been made of discutable decisions and discutable media coverage from some parts, making this team look like, as I mentioned, a circus.
The saddest part about it is that I have a strong feeling he’s only saying what many other players around the league don’t dare to say.
I can’t blame him to be happy to be out of this place right now, to be honest. I don’t think anyone in the world, hockey player or not, would appreciate the pressure put on them by hundreds of thousands of people. I know I wouldn’t.
the part where he makes fun of the french speaking coach situation must have been a slap in the face to those who cried about it lol. hopefully it opened their eyes a bit.
ill be in the slot
We can blame the defence all we want, but they are as good as any defence in the league, its our scoring that is sub-sub-par. So the answer lies in getting some impact goal scorers, a go-to-guy that every team has. He doesnt need to score 50, but hey even 30 is good, I miss Zednik and Ryder, they werent amazing, but you felt like they could score any game for some reason. Lets make that deal for Bobby Ryan already, he would thrive being the go-to-guy not in anyones shadow. Or just try and draft that guy.
In conclusion, the answer lies in scoring, not grinding or defence or goalie. So lets get some scorers and some creativity up there
Just put Eller Plekanec and Kostitsyn together. They can all score 30.
It would be a top 2nd line in the league. No trade necessary.
We get it, NA. You may be right, but you probably don’t have to post this anymore for a while.
I’m still scratching my head as to why they split up Moen Eller and Kostitsyn. They were scoring and keeping the opponents d on their toes and then they switched things up when gomez came back.
thats right.our top point getter Cole is 60th in the league……….
Cole is getting more than Point per Game, he’s doing good. Now we need a second line of Eller-Plek-Kostitsyn.
Good call nickster13. WE NEED TO SCORE GOALS! We have trouble scoring because we need more size up front to create space, and our young D have trouble joining the attack.
Okay, so for tonight we need:
1) paper bags on our heads
2) a second line of ELLER PLEKANEC KOSTITSYN please!!!! Cunnyworth, listen to us on this one.
3) bench the worst defensive pairing (+/- wise) every game.
We will make the playoffs doing those things
No, we will make the playoffs if we start winning some games.
Can we get a 4th line with energy. I miss Lapièrre, Bégin, White. Just to get a spark going, anything. This team has become in the image of Gauthier, colorless. Some emotion please. Give Subban some slack before we run another good one out of town. Yes he needs to mature, yes he needs to become a better team man (that you can learn), yes he has talent (that you can’t learn).
PK is good, just a slow passer on the PP. He needs to stop eating chicken before the game witha all that phenylalanine aino acids, that slows him down on the PP. Fast passes and passback passes. One touch and quick shots.
Fourth line is Noki, Darche and Blunden. A good line to use only if the other lines are weak. otherwise don’t use them too much. Good luck!
They have to loosen the leash on PK. His game is rushing the puck up the ice but our system prefers the dump and and chase. Which the chase part we’re still not too good at.
I thought it was supposed to be Martins sit back hockey that caused this team to loose all its leads?
Any other theories…
yes, we need a second line, so use Plekanec-Eller-Kostitsyn.
Also, the defenders are playing to not lose. Get them to play to play again. Bench the worst +/- pairing after every game. we have 4 pairings anyways. it works.
Not enough finish or D to do the job?
Calling out Mike Boone! You have Campbell’s article re Boucher for Cunneyworth up for reading Mr. Boone. So you must think it’s worth a read.
I wrote a fuller posting as to the reasons why this is a good idea. At the risk of appearing vain, I am asking that you repost my piece if you can find it. I believe that Boucher for Cunneyworth is an excellent imaginative and long term solution for this franchise. My post also added some nuances. As a Jack Demers (like) behind the scene mentor for Boucher (to retain a ‘natural style’ of hockey) and Larry Robinson as assistant.
Please Mr Boone, I think my post was worthy of a serious read.
Not necessary to change coaches again, just put Plekanec with Eller and Kostitsyn and we will win, just try it.
You can change the coach many times over, and ask Demers to give up his Senate pension, Boucher to come here and show off his fear of dogs and Larry Robinson to be serious and stuff, but if you don’t put Eller Kostitsyn and Plekanec together, you won’t win. Plek Eller Kostitsyn together please. It’s a no brainer.
“Our team wasn’t performing up to an acceptable level,” Gauthier said. “For sure, there were injuries, but also the approach to games, especially the team’s play in the third period, are things that affect the results. Sometimes in this business to make things better you need to make a change, to bring in new ideas, a new approach to the team’s performance, so it becomes more consistent.”
The day PG fired Martin.
it’s okay. once eller and Kostitsyn play with Plekanec, we will go on a winning streak.
agree nick then for our third line we call up leblanc and put him with bourque moen tough third line with some scoring…then we win if thats what we want to do at this point in time
Why does every hockey player eat chicken parmesan for dinner!?
that might explain why or PP is bad. Chicken parmesan has a lot of Phenol amino acids that make you sleeping and sluggish. We should chance to something different and then the passes will be faster on the PP and we’ll score more goals.
They should go for the red meat, a little blood will give them the killer instinct we’ve been missing.
The fiasco of the Gomez trade is going to haunt us for a few more years. Until this issue is dealt with, the Habs are going nowhere. Management can fire people left and right but this clown has to go, period. He never has nor will he ever bleed nor sweat for this team. He is as useful as an ashtray on a Harley. Who on this planet can clearly explain this to G.Molson ?
And for the love of hockey, leave PK alone ! The sombrero was on the wrong side of the ice, floating as usual. How much would it take to convince Gomer to go away ? He can’t even be in the right place for a simple zone breakout on a PP.
As a fan, I tolerated PG until the Kaberle trade. Panic move or not, this was as dumb a move as one can make. If only the Kaberle contract was to end this year one could understand a bit but now we’re stuck with another piece of porcelain on D for two more years. His first shift last night was a stupid turnover (never looked behind to see who was there and still got rid of the puck to a waiting Pen). Rookies do this, not a player with tons of experience like him.
I had an ounce of hope for Randy C until I saw the sombrero at centre ice for the shootout. How does a player like Cole feel after busting his rear end all night for the team ?
The Habs are the Rodney Dangerfields of the NHL. Zero respect.
Gomez is a good checking centre with Bourque and Moen. He’s got lots of experience and won’t need to hit to be effective. He would be a good part to this team in that spot. No trade possible or necessary. Thank You
My point is this Nick; Is Gomez good for the team ? Does he bring anything positive (look at his stats) ? How about his influence in the room, especially for the young guns ?
He has “Been there/done that/got the t-shirt”. In other words he has his name on the mug, is richer than he ever dreamed of and does not need to lose any sleep over the win or lose factor.
Yes, he is a nice person but I feel that he would be so much better off having fun in Switzerland playing his current checking game.
too bad, he’s a paid employee and must do as his job description calls for. So 3rd line centre it is!
Engqvist can fill this job description just as good if not better than SG.
When Gomez is gone, I wonder who we will talk about…probably GOMEZ
Gomez is a good chequing 3rd line centre. He is lights out defence with Moen and Bourque. He plays smart. Don’t expect him to score, he has no confidence in a good shot. Gomez has 2 more years on his contract. Plek should play with Eller and Kostitsyn.
That’s not true. One time he got hit in the back of the head with a puck during warmups and he bled pretty good.
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Good to see you Hoegarden,
When the Gomez trade was made a few of us said this trade is going to kill us over the next few years. We were right. All those rosy-eyed Bob-knows-more-than-you Habs “faithful” told me and others to STFU. But this trade not only lost us our best future d-man (a 1st round pick – one of the best in a long time), it’s eaten up our ability to improve the team. All these little desperation moves like signing Kaberle could be REAL deals if 10% of our cap space wasn’t going to some loser who barely deserves fourth line ice time let a lone a franchise player salary.
Gomez was DOOM for this club. Until Molson bites the bullet and buries him, he’s showing that money is more important than winning. He’s thinking with his beer wallet…. which is what I expected too. The Molsons once again are sucking the life out of this team to line their pockets. Gomez needs to be buried in the minors. Suck it up Geoff. Or stop telling us you care about winning. Period.
Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!
Whatever one thinks of PG, you’re right in that this has to be Molson’s call. I hope he makes it. It was a bad trade although I was one of the nincompoops who thought it might be good at the time. It didn’t work, and we need to turn the page and cut Gomez loose. Otherwise, I fear we can’t move forward.
I’m not the biggest RDS fan but no one suggested PK be traded.
They were saying that he should be better coached now, when he’s young, so that he doesn’t wake up a bust at age 30.
The main subject last night was Gomez and his shootout “attempt”. Anyone surprised? I’m still laughing.
I may think it’s dumb, but there is a Man Code in hockey that players, especially young ones, do not talk back to their coaches, especially in public. Right or wrong, it was uncomfortable watching that.
PG is a lot of things, but I doubt he is dumb enough to trade PK, unless he gets a helluva return.
who cares if PK did this or that, just bench the worst D pairing and that’s all that matters. PK doesn’t need us talking about his discussion between Randy and him, that’s gossip. Just be straight up and bench his pairing if they finish with the worst +/- for 1 game.
Gossip? Thousands of people witnessed it.
That’s Gossip then. Also just bench his pairing if his +/- is the worst out of the three D pairings. Actions speak louder than words or gossip. Furthermore, then PK will feel like Randy is on his side because he won’t feel like his benching is coming from the criticism, but rather the criticism is to help him be better. Good coaches can achieve this.
PK is talking a back to a coach who isn’t going to be around after this season.
How is a coach supposed to hold his players accountable when he’s getting ****-canned after the season is over?
So you’re saying PK doesn’t respect his interim coach?
This makes it even worse.
PK was discussing a play with the coach in rather animated fashion. At least he shows some spirit. Making him go sit on the end of the bench was pathetic. Sometimes, you agree to disagree without resorting to public humiliation. It can always be discussed calmly over a cup of metaphorical tea later, when passions have cooled.
So to resume the Plan now
Eller-plek-Ak46 together please!
Gomez chequing line centre
Don’t use your 4th line too much unless your other lines are not playing well.
D pairings compete for playing time…
bench the worst pair for the next pair… they are all the same
I was going to save this for December, but what the heck. Sorry REM.
That’s great, it starts with a Laff shutout loss, stomach toss,
no bandwagon – Carey Price is not afraid.
Glove save, pad stop, butterfly, softie, 5-hole, screen save,
Molson serves his own beer, fans going nutbar.
Feeding off losses in troll nets, roars and holler,
Hab fan starts to clatter wondering what’s the matter.
Loss after loss. No representing in seven games, a general manager for size and not a clue.
Weak in the East and sinking in a hurry with the Blue Jackets breathing down your neck.
Team by team reporters baffled, trumped, games dropped.
Look at that low playing!
Uh oh, here we go, players are a no-show, poor play, spinning on the ice.
Save a shot. Score a goal. The NHL serves its own needs, listen to Hab fans heart bleed with the rupture and the no longer revered, right? Right.
Am vitriolic, unpatriotic, slam, fight, bright light, still not feeling psyched.
It’s the end of the Habs as we know ‘em.
It’s the end of the Habs as we know ‘em.
It’s the end of the Habs as we know ‘em and I feel sick.
Cole, Darche, Bourque, Gomez and PK put my head in a spin.
Carey Price and Peter Budaj just keep letting them in.
Pleks and AK, Diaz and Emelin.
Gill and Kaberle, Weber and Campoli and what can you say?
Nokia, Blunden, Gorges and Desharnais.
Eller, Gio, Moen and Pacioretty.
Absent White and mysterious Markov
Truthsayers steer clear! A playoff of lies.
This is a hockey team in disguise.
It’s the end of the Habs as we know ‘em.
It’s the end of the Habs as we know ‘em. (Maybe they need some time alone)
It’s the end of the Habs as we know ‘em. (Yes, they need some time alone)
and I feel sick.
(I feel sick.)
The other night I dreamt of power plays; a monumental shift; the GM lied,
It’s the death of Habs pride.
Morenz and Richard are spinning in their graves.
Where’s the Robinson and Lafleur on this sinking ship?
It’s all too reminiscent of a bad acid trip.
I watch it like it’s an ongoing accident.
Cut a video of that and you’ll be famous
See article entitle… Ken Campbell on a coach swap.
Anyone who regularly visits this site and who may have kindly taken the time and read some of my posts will know that I have posted at least twice that not only should thi shappen, but I believe it WILL happen. I gave a really full reasoning as to the benefits.
This will happen I believe.
hope that never happens. if you think martins system is boring spend a night watching the Bolts play…horrible hockey.
maybe Martin’s system was boring but gave us EC Final 2 years ago, as boring Bolts play did last year. I’m sick of still boring hockey and blowing 2 goals lead every second night
His bulldogs scored… A lot. DD scored 78 points in 60 games. Big difference between that team/last year’s Lightning and this year’s Lightning is goaltending.
He’s coaching to cover up a massive weakness. With Price, he could play lights out.
In my earlier posts I laid out why Guy will have to and could change. He is young and smar and this is year will take him down a peg and teach him a thing or two. I also said in my post he should be mentored behind the scene by someone like Jack Demers who is not a nuts and bolts coach but is a very balanced re playing hockey ‘naturally’ and should have as an assistant Larry Robinson. I wrote a long post and do not want to repeat it all here.
Yzerman is happy with his coach..not so much the players
This fact was also included in my post. Sorry if I am flogging this but it is a great solution for us … long term.
Win tonight and nothing changes, lose tonight and another move gets made. I’m torn about PK, I want him out because I don’t think you can change his on ice attitude but of course it could turn into a chara like trade. Plek is the next guy on the list so…how do you say “later” in chech?
just put plek with Eller and Kostitsyn, and make Subban earn his play time. He’s still on an EL contract, so he has no leverage. No trades necessary. Thanks for the comment.
what is his on ice attitude?
His attitude is to play dirty (he slew foots more than anyone i’ve ever seen), chirp and never ever back it up. I personally don’t like it.
remi you and others have to rem pk is only in his secound year and is still very young and imo gonna be one hell of a hockey player to give up on him this early would be a disaster and a big mistake on the habs part
I am torn, part of me agrees with you but the other part of me says time is not going to change his attitude. I suppose with the right environment he could change. Anyone have any examples of guys who start off acting like bags and “change”
Just let the season go..relax..it’s just a bad dream..don’t trade your young players..PVR the game..start watching an hour later..when it gets close in the 3rd FF…it’s not so bad then
The one thing I noticed about PK is something I saw in Gretzky they both play with what I call a photo in your head of where every one is. PK when he rushes back to pick up the puck off the end board always takes a peek to get the picture. Gretzky always did this. The problem on that play was as Cunnyworth said was Gomez moved and abandoned his position. I know he should have rechecked but we all do at one time or another what he did and see what we expect to see even though it is not there. He has to learn and will learn. Bobby Holik and Scott stevens are right on in saying this guy will be a tremendous player. Remember he is a defenceman not a forward and it takes about 4 years. We expect this guy to carry the team in his SECOND YEAR. If we trade this guy because of our frustration over the team losing the laughter from people who really know the game will be deafening. I watch Kaberle make mistakes like this every game. Imagine a defenceman (Kaberle) having played all year and has only 4 minutes in penalties.
As for the French media remember the first 3 or 4 years for Guy Lafleur, mediocre, mediocre, mediocre then bang; superstar!
Patience mes amis.
Agreed. It would be insanity to trade PK. I am confident that the management will not commit such an error. PK might be rough around the edges, but he is a key piece of the future.
Anyone, who thinks P.K. is the big problem and should be moved is… well, doesn’t see the game the way I do.
If you’re going to be so hyper-agressive, you really shouldn’t be posting here.
I know, I can’t believe my post wasn’t deleted.
Mr. Cunneyworth, please put a second line together that can play hockey, thank you.
PSSST just use Eller-Plekanec-Kostitsyn together. They’re your most talented players, and you’ve never tried to use them together! (it’s the A up your sleeve)
and a checking line would be nice. Say Moen-Gomez-Bourque.
And for the Defence, no problem.
Make four pairings, and tell them that which ever pairing finishes with the worst +/- in a game must sit the next game. watch how well they play for you, thank you. (Defenders don’t like to feel like they have to adjust to their own team all the time!)
PP problems? no problem. Just make the passes faster (pkSub is a slow passer, so tell him to hurry up), one touch passes, and shoot! You’re Welcome.
M. Cunneyworth. with all this extra time now as your team starts winning, you can focus on learning french.
Last night’s Midnite Misquote:
“By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail… for Nail.” -Benjamin Franklin
While it is evident that PK requires some growth and maturity, I have to say that the whole NHL schtick about sitting guys as if they were school children is embarrassing and reeks of lack of imagination. How ridiculous to make a grown man sit on the end of the bench in a timeout!
As for the rest of it, here’s a quote from Melnick’s blog for the sillier amongst us to ponder.
“Subban is in his second NHL season. What’s Drew Doughty doing in LA? Ok, I’ll tell you. In 43 games Doughty is 3-17-20 pts +1. Subban, in 46 games, is 3-16-19 pts -1. Calder Trophy winner Tyler Myers has 8 points in 27 games this season, has been a healthy scratch, and is -8. In his 2nd NHL season Jack Johnson had 11 points and was -18. Second year defenseman Cam Fowler has played 45 games this season. He’s 3-15-18 pts -13. And to save us both a lot of time I’ll just jump ahead to Zdeno Chara who, in his second full season, played 65 games and was 2-9-11 pts -27. Chara had a similar third full season before his imbecile of a GM lost his patience and dealt him to Ottawa.”
LOL, this should wake a few up, but it won’t. Send it to those geniuses on l’Antichambre.
Full Breezer 4 Life
OBB, the Habs have been a little bench happy this season and I agree with you about benching veteran players but I think first and second year players sometimes need a “time out” to cool their fire, clear their head and, most importantly, get their head back in the game and out of the clouds.
I think both Price and Subban suffer from the idea that they have to do it all and carry the team. Price doesn’t have to be benched insofar as that is what a backup is for: relief. But Subban could use a game from the press box. I would not mind that. I have a lot of faith in Subban and hope he is a Hab for a long time to come.
Benching Eller every time he misses a check, on the other hand, makes me nuts.
Old Bald keep posting this to everyone who is stupid a nuff to want PK gone ,are far back the Chara trade put Ottawa, same with PK he need time and the right coach may be a Robinson as the D coach would help
If Mitch Melnick has more forethought than a lot of ‘hockey people’ then the NHL is going to implode.
PK gets booed everywhere, I understand, he’s mouthy and chippy, and can lay big hits at times, and can score timely goals as a defenceman (isn’t this everything people want?). People hate him because it’s the ‘cool’ thing to do in the NHL these days.
But when Montreal writers, media types, and fans start piling onto him for every mistake he makes (which Melnick points out have been fewer than a lot of his ‘franchise’ defender counterparts) we’re just as frustrating as those people who boo PK for being good. It’s like we’re asking him to be some kind of flawless demi-god of a player in his second year.
Here’s a news flash to all the geezers out there: Larry Robinson made mistakes; Serge Savard made mistakes; Doug Harvey made mistakes. If being a great player, like those three, doesn’t make you infallible, why do we place that burden on a player in his second year?
Cammalleri was drawing heat before he got traded, and then everyone cried when he was moved. Everyone thought the Price/Halak trade was great last season, now people are complaining again. We throw players under the bus faster than Pierre Gauthier threw Cunneyworth after hiring the dreaded anglo.
Let PK develop. Right now you can see that he’s more tentative than last year because he’s thinking about which plays he has to make to be successful. As this style of play becomes more instinctive his explosive first step (one of the best in the league right now) will return, the sharp outlets will return, his shot will hit the target more often.
That giveaway last night came with zero puck support, if anyone had come back with an ounce of conviction it would have been an easy breakout. Instead we have a team who has looked lackadaisical in all zones during the power play, a lack of urgency kills teams regardless of whether they on the Power play, even strength, or the penalty kill.
If someone said trade Doughty, or trade Myers we’d laugh and call them idiots. When we say ‘trade Subban’ we become the idiots we admonish. So everyone needs to take a chill pill.
I pointed that out yesterday, even brought up Doughty, I got jumped all over…
They eat their young in Montreal.
Jack Edwards is a clam
II thought the team played mostly ok last night. Subban? He needs someone that he trusts to get through to him. He’s totally on send and not listening. I understand it is frustrating to play with energy conservation players like Gomez but that short handed goal is one where you eat the puck and take the faceoff. The soft blind pass to where you know the guy isn’t but think he should be…well that’s just something you see in a woodchopper league.
I would say that despite the great quotes from the players who stick to the script over half the team knows they are done and just playing it out. It shows. Which is too bad. Fans might come if they at least tried. Heck for 20 years they hoped in the future and filled the seats.
I don’t think that is going to happen anymore. Too bad. It was a good game in it’s time.
I wish, oh I wish this franchise would get rid of Gauthier….I have never seen a franchise with so much history and respect and greatness stoop to so low of a rung they are almost in the ground. I look at the Red Wings and i think class and winning attitude…granted they were horrible before they got better but they fixed themselves and they did it in the 80’s and it continues to this day. You also look at the Stars and the class they have handled themselves with. I am just sick of hearing and seeing this team in the news for all the wrong reasons. I can get over missing the playoffs…no team makes it every year…I just can’t stand the bonehead moves and the fear that I have that all of a sudden we have no more subban for a 3rd round pick and a prospect.
Mr Molson….i drink your beer…maybe too much sometimes…so please just please get rid of the entire front office. The whole shooten match…then set a mandate of excellency with the new staff and recreate the winning attitude with this franchise. Oh and trade for a star forward would be nice.
One thing about these last couple of weeks, there is no longer much debate about PG’s future employment, eh?
Campbell’s coach swap … I would have liked to the Habs swap Martin for Paul Maurice back in October. That is an experiment I could have got behind. No longer sure Boucher is the second coming and surely don’t want to watch trap hockey.
Yes, P.K. needs a coach he can believe in. He also needs an on-ice player is who is better than him so P.K. can have a constant reference point to assess his own limits. (Same point as Habsburlington below … just does not have to be a vet all-star for me. Just better than P.K.)
Does last night mean we will stop hearing the Budaj trumpets? He certainly has the capability of turning in great relief performances, and Price needs the relief, but as long as Pleks is going to go minus 2 in a close game and Gomez is going to continue to play D the way he does it will be hard for the Habs to win any games.
This has always been a well-coached team, defensively, but I think Cammy was absolutely right in his assessment that the team psyche is fragile and damaged. Until management steps up and shows the way, fans are going to continue to get games like last night where four goals still aren’t worth 2 pts.
Maurice is from the Sault er Sault Ste Marie, ON…italian and french city in Northern ON and I think he would be a perfect candidate for this team to really push the mentality in the right direction.
This team needs/has to have a true veteran all star Dman who is the clear leader period. PG, you thought it was Markov, we believed you, but alas it isn’t true. For the development of PK and this team we have to have that.
Agree. A top Centerman would be nice as well. I am not of the yanking group but it is time to start building through the draft and getting prospects for some of our assets. Boy, this team is a mess right now.
maybe Patrice Brisebois?:)
Aw him play last night. I think he could help. : )
Markov should have been back by now, taking the weight off of PK’s shoulders.
had a dream last night that Gauthier traded Price for Rick Nash, Subban plus draft pick for Getzlaf, Gomez for Nabokov, Gill for Ben Bishop, and Weber for Erskine. they instantly got bigger but weaker in net. then i woke up
I’m having a cauchemard that the Goat is still the GM
Cauchemerde would sum it up better.
Kiss my hAbSS!!!
any markov news?
chara = חרה
He’s out… til after the All-Star break… maybe… indefinitely… forever……… um, who’s Markov??
My bet is not until next year – maybe. Doctor Badenov fooled Gauthier and screwed the season for us.
“Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”
Danno: I heard Dr. Badenov cannot cure you. But he can get you a lot of money.
OK… you are right.
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