On to the Sunshine State

DD celebrate

While Montreal digs its way out of a snowstorm, the Canadiens travel south for the traditional year-ending games against the Lightning and Panthers.
In the baggage compartment: Momentum, after a four-point win in Ottawa.

Cunneyworth gets his first W

Quotes from the room

Pierre Ladouceur’s game report card

Wayne Scanlan on Cunneyworth’s class

389 Comments

  1. avatar_58 says:

    Hahaha I had to read the stories more than once to figure out that Petr Sykora was in fact NOT playing in the Spengler AND for New Jersey. Otherwise the man clearly owns a fast jet

  2. LatheDog says:

    would ya rather be Swiss cheese or a Swedish meatball???

  3. avatar_58 says:

    First bulldogs game I go to this season and they almost get shutout by David Aebischer. David. Aebischer.

    Well at least I got an outdoor classic toque and a stuffed Bruiser out of it

  4. habaholic68NJ says:

    Gallagher missed two open nets tonight.

    *Listen to my instrumental tribute entitled “Habs at War” at http://web.me.com/ptolias/Music/OtherOriginalMusic.html

    • solomio says:

      Ripe for the big team then.

      “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

  5. slapshot777 says:

    @Habsfan

    I apologize, but if you read down your comment came just after I posted about how Fritse showed up the Swiss after scoring a shoot out goal.

  6. HabFanSince72 says:

    I wasn’t even referring to you, not having seen your post, but to the TSN commentators who were all upset about the celebration.

  7. HardHabits says:

    You hurt my feelings with that comment. What’s worse is because of ir I have decided to change my life and become an ascetic monk…

    scratch that and make that a Trappist monk.

    And I will drink so much beer that it will injure my liver.

  8. J.J. of Turku says:

    Damn these timezones. I have to watch this game tomorrow. Can’t stay awake anymore for the 3rd game of today…

    http://media.turku.fi/kamera1.html

  9. HabFanSince72 says:

    Those of you who think Artyukin is a beast need to see this fight against Josh Gratton.

    Josh Gratton’s entire NHL career consisted of getting hit in the face. And he killed Artyukin.

    http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/105898

    • The Dude says:

      Can’t win em all and how did Gratton do vs Chara,or can he play hockey?

      • otter649 says:

        Emelin got his face re-arranged in a fight but that did not change his style of play & I doubt if Artyukin has changed his. Hockey players who get beaten bad in a fight still for the most part play the same style they did previously see Pyatt-Spacek-Hamerlik after their fights with The Bruins.No worse than getting hit hard by a heavy body check as it is part of the game…..

        • Les Canayens says:

          The exception being Komisarek.

          ☞I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.☜

        • solomio says:

          Well otter it has changed Emelin’s style of play in a way. He won’t fight anymore and imo what happened to him in that fight was a hell of a lot worse than a heavy body check.

          “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

          • otter649 says:

            Claude Lemieux found out early in his career he was not much of a fighter (which he admits to) & so did not fight that much but did not change his style of play for the most part. Wait & see if Emelin will fight again as in the present the opposition is chirping in his ear after a big hit but I think at this point in his career he does not know what is being said to him due to his lack of English although I’m sure he has probably picked up on the English swear words that have been hurled his way…….

    • showey47 says:

      Going by the voting at the hockeyfights website,artyukhin has won most of his fights since he turned pro. I remember reading last year something about artyukhin and re-occuring heart problems. I was always a fan of the big man though,great skater and hits like a truck.

    • REB says:

      Ok, so he doesn’t win them all…even Laraque didn’t win them all. But the overall impression is of a player who is a decent player, doesn’t back down from dropping the gloves, and can deliver absolutely punishing hits.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=-HxXBzLsZPY

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99PJJBM_PWk

      btw- I have been saying that the Habs should have gone after R2KIN several yrs ago.

  10. HabFab says:

    Pribyl wears #15 if he is dressed tonight. I have not spotted him yet.

    See him.

  11. HabFanSince72 says:

    You have to love Canadian hockey culture.

    It’s fine if a player concusses another player with a violent hit, but an amusing goal celebration is “no class”.

  12. slapshot777 says:

    What was the reason that team Canada had to redesign their jersey for the IIHF. something about a sponsorship issue, wasn’t it?

  13. slapshot777 says:

    What a classless move by Fritse on Sweden on that shoot out goal.

  14. slapshot777 says:

    What a game between the Swedes and The Swiss. Going to a shoot out, this can be anyone’s game now.

  15. HardHabits says:

    Unreal. Swiss mount a comeback.

  16. Boomer says:

    anyone know if pribyl is playing at the world juniors?

    Boom baby!

  17. JohnBellyful says:

    I was a little disappointed the players didn’t pour a cup of Gatorade (or seltzer) over RC for his first win. They could turn it into a tradition. Two cups for his second win, three for his third, four for … you get the idea.
    Keep it going till it reaches 25 Cups.

  18. J.J. of Turku says:

    Swedes are in trouble with the Swiss…

    http://media.turku.fi/kamera1.html

  19. J.J. of Turku says:

    That was an enjoyable game. I was amazed by the Canadian crowd, they made us feel like it’s homegame for Finland.

    http://media.turku.fi/kamera1.html

  20. punkster says:

    So Simon Gagne gets added to the concussion list.

    There are over 250 players out with injuries today. 28 are now concussion related. How many more are being hidden? How many more will it take?

    I said it yesterday:
    “No more foot dragging, stonewalling, waiting for further studies and employing flimsy excuses while lives are being threatened.
    There are a number of recommendations and suggestions already on the table…There are lots of little things that if applied properly will save lives and enhance the game, and many can be implemented now.”

    Wake up!

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • Kooch7800 says:

      in saying that though, there are some players that are prone to concussions. Look at Eric Lindros and his brother as a prime example. Gagne is another player. The Kings are not even sure when he got concussed.

      There should be an equipment change in my opinion but concussions will always be a reality in physical sports

      • punkster says:

        Ever wonder why they’re “prone to concussions”?

        Does this reality have to shorten careers and lives?

        Can nothing be done to dramatically reduce the incidence of concussions in the NHL?

        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • solomio says:

          They are prone to concussions because they play a physical sport.
          Hockey, football, baseball, basketball, lacrosse players, boxers,wrestlers,martial arts combatants, racing car drivers, are all prone to concussions, in any age group. They come with the territory.
          Of course in hockey I beleive there are a number of steps which can be taken to reduce the number of concussions.

          “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

      • habinkam says:

        that’s a pretty ignorant statement. No one is “prone” to concussions, as concussions are the result impact of the brain hitting the skull(or vice versa in some cases) so unless his head some how attracts impact magically prone is very much the wrong word.
        Those players you used as examples are all players who had concussions at early stages in their career making them more easily susceptible. So unless you are a doctor or have lived through the horrors of concussions and recovery like some people have, please either inform yourself before you comment or don’t comment at all.
        You just sound stupid and uneducated

        • solomio says:

          wtf is the matter with you? Some people are more prone to concussions than others. Yeah. What’s your problem with that statement?

          “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Dude, why do you have to get angry? What’s with the ‘wtf’. Relax and discuss calmly.

            I also think it’s an uneducated statement to assert that some people are just more prone, so there’s nothing that can be done to protect them. It fits right into the NHL narrative that there’s no proven medical evidence, blah blah blah, so we don’t have to do anything. The NHL is shirking its responsibility to provide its employees and ‘partners’ with a safe working environment.

            ———————————
            How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

            http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

          • Trisomy 21 says:

            I’m not sure what you expected after being called ignorant…

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Hmmm. Couple of things. I didn’t use the word ‘ignorant’, habinkam did. So I wasn’t expecting anything.

            Also, he is calling the statement itself ignorant. Pretty touchy, but in no way does that call for the kind of response. What’s the point of swearing? Let’s debate ideas and opinions, not abuse each other.

            ———————————
            How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

            http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

          • Trisomy 21 says:

            Well he didn’t swear, and also of course people will react when they’re called ignorant. That’s my point. You should come to expect this

      • Phil C says:

        I suspect once you have had one bad concussion, you are THEN more prone to concussions. I think this is Gagne’s fourth that they know about; how many did he have in Junior that went unreported? Look how sensitive Crosby was when he was hit again. He used to absorb way more abuse then the bump he got from Krejci. His head may never fully recover in its ability to absorb abuse. I hope they start to figure out why this happens.

        • solomio says:

          Look UCE some people ARE more prone to concussions than others. For example a person with a large skull and a small brain would be less prone to concussions.
          Susceptability(sp) to concussions may be hereditary.
          Its not that more precautions can’t or shouldn’t be taken we’re merely stating that it is more than feasable that some players may be more prone to concussions than others. And as Phil has said a player that has sustained one consussion is certainly more prone to another.

          “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

          • habinkam says:

            First off i never said he was ignorant, i said his statement was.
            For those of you that don’t have dictionary ignorance is lacking knowledge, or not knowing being unaware or unknowing, as his statement was. Also as solomio’s statement about brain and skull size is quite comical and ignorant as well. I’ve lived through 3 severe concussions i am not more prone to concussions i am more susceptible to them( its like punching a bruises it will hurt way more than it normally would) bruises don’t heal on your brain, and that’s the end result of direct brain-skull impact e.i. a concussion. Concussion are not hereditary either.
            Even when you use the correct term of susceptibility with it, it still is impossible brains develop in the whom and over childhood, how could a human being spontaneously get bruises on their brain. Being prone means more likely every person has the same chances of getting hit from day one, when it changes is in your jobs and hobby’s: Like hockey and other sports as mentioned before, thus making you more susceptible NOT more prone.

            As a side not “solomio” my original comment was directed to “kooch”
            I do not know why you are so angry maybe a bad day, but i have no problem with you disagreeing with my statement, the difference is i have personal experience, medical professionals (that i still work with weekly) telling me these things based on medical research. My career was ended in junior by a string of head injuries stemming from a severe coma inducing concussion at the age of 8.
            Now you may be a doctor so i wont jump to any conclusion but judging by your lack of vocabulary and diarrhea of the mouth response you aren’t. All i ask is to disagree in an educated and mature way…
            not to much to ask is it?

          • Trisomy 21 says:

            Doesn’t matter if you called his statement ignorant, he’s the one who said it so you’re calling him ignorant. This is also illustrated in this dipshit response of yours, you asshole, by suggesting I don’t have a dictionary or lack the knowledge of the definition of ignorant.
            BTW you used the wrong “to” Einstein. So don’t dish out this ‘I can determine your intellect because I myself am an intellect’ bullshit. Maybe you should connect with those medical professionals that you panhandle your money from and get them to correct your spelling too.

            Finally, you ever consider the fact some people bruise easier than others, Dick Tracey?

            Actually one more thing, you should use your goddamn dictionary on prone and susceptible because you are making up definitions. Liable or vulnerable vs disposed or liable. Tell me which is which, professor?

    • HardHabits says:

      In the WJC if one player hits another player in the head it is an immediate 10 minute penalty and game misconduct.

      http://www.iihf.com/home-of-hockey/news/videoconcussions.html

      http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/how-the-iihf-keeps-head-shots-in-check/article1885490/

      Harhar. The IIHF approach to hits to the head is a no brainer.

      • punkster says:

        We may agree to disagree on other subjects but it seems we agree to agree on this one. Great links, Dave.

        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I don’t think some of them are prone per se but may have played through too many mild concussions. Of course there is no such thing as that but try tell some of these great hockey minds that. It is beyond alarming these head injuries.

          • solomio says:

            Burl…no such thing as what? A mild concussion? Of course there is such a thing as there is such a thing as a severe concussion.
            They come under the name of TBI’s. Traumatic Brain Injuries. There are all kinds from a myriad of causes.

            “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

          • habinkam says:

            agree with you on this one solomio there are many types of concussion as well as severity… every brain also heals differently.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Dave – The Star had the count at 32 this morning as they provided a full list of all concussed NHLers.

      For the record, there is no such thing as “concussion like symptoms”, that’s just an NHL smoke screen like an upper body injury. You either have a concussion or you don’t.

      Shoutout to HH. Respect your elders:-) I realize that the new realignment will have a division of seven teams for Montreal. Regardless, it’s still an original six format. That’s a reality that not many people have thought through as it has huge implications for the Habs. As well, there is still a slight ray of hope that Bettman can sell the Coyotes to an owner that will keep them in Phoenix. Having ssid that, I can’t see the other governors taking another year of heavy losses. That means Quebec or Kansas City. I wonder if the old Colisee arena can hold up for a few years? Any new owner (QPP?) would have to plan on taking a financial loss for the first few years seeing that the old barn doesn’t meet the new revenue generators.

      • HardHabits says:

        It should help the Habs with all those home games… in Montreal, Ottawa, Florida and Tampa Bay.

      • punkster says:

        Right Steve…32 it is. I used the TSN list that had a half dozen “head injuries” and another half dozen “undisclosed injuries”. The whole thing has become a sham perpetrated by the league, owners, management and NHLPA. Even the NHLOA, who clearly avoid making the calls that are in the books, are guilty. How else does one explain their continued resistance to change?

        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • 24 Cups says:

          Dave – I read a few days ago that some NFL players are suing the league over concussions and the lack of player protection.

          It only takes one concussed young star, on an entry level contract, who has his career ended at the age of 21 to get the ball rolling in the NHL. He could sue for a dozen years of future lost wages plus any health related issues.

          We also have to keep in mind that the NHLPA is just as guilty as the owners and Bettman. The crisis will go nuclear if it’s not addressed in the next CBA.

      • solomio says:

        Who says there is no such thing as ” concussion like symptons”.
        For example do people who suffer from vertigo sometimes exhibit one or more ” concussion like symptons ” ? Possibly eh Dr. Recchi?
        “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Doctors, that’s who. There was a leading expert recently on TSN who baldly stated that when players are suffering from these ‘concussion-like’ symptoms, it’s the teams trying to avoid responsibility and the strict guidelines imposed by the league. He stated that ‘concussion-like’ symptoms don’t exist, only concussions.

          An example was Philly trying to say that Chris Pronger was suffering from a virus, that was why he was experiencing headaches and vertigo…

          So yeah, that doctor was saying when a player has these symptoms, what he actually has is a concussion.

          ———————————
          How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

          http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

          • solomio says:

            UCE..you missed my point, I believe. Here are some concussion symptons. Are you so certain that these symptons cannot be experienced due to a cause other than a concussion?
            Symptoms of concussion usually fall into four categories:

            Thinking/
            Remembering
            Physical
            Emotional/
            Mood
            Sleep

            Difficulty thinking clearly
            Headache

            Fuzzy or blurry vision
            Irritability
            Sleeping more than usual

            Feeling slowed down
            Nausea or vomiting
            (early on)

            Dizziness
            Sadness
            Sleep less than usual

            Difficulty concentrating
            Sensitivity to noise or light

            Balance problems
            More emotional
            Trouble falling asleep

            Difficulty remembering new information
            Feeling tired, having no energy
            Nervousness or anxiety

            “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            I’ll allow your point if you’ll allow me mine. Quite right that there are maladies out there that produce symptoms which mimic a concussion. But the way the term ‘concussion-like symptom’ is used in the NHL, it’s a cover for teams to not have to admit that the player had a concussion all along that they failed to diagnose in the first place, through incompetence or by putting a win above a player’s health. That’s what the doctor whose name I can’t remember and can’t google is decrying. That concussion-like symptoms is a euphemism for a concussion.

            What would be wrong with saying concussion symptoms? That would be more accurate. Unless Chris Pronger truly had Dengue fever.

            ———————————
            How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

            http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I know, I dropped him from my hockey pool since there’s no telling with his history how long he’ll be out. He started out the year pretty well, but seemed to tail off when Mike Richards was injured. Now Simon is out just as Mr. Richards returns.

      ———————————
      How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  21. HabFab says:

    But still USA player of the game…

  22. kmachabs27 says:

    jarred tinordi cant even skate, hes the next hal gill.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      So you mean he will have settle for only having a min. 1,000 game NHL career which includes a Stanley Cup? Not too bad, but I think he will be a bit better skater.

  23. ed lopaz says:

    just wanted to post this about the WJC game between Canada and Finland.

    on several occasions, a Canadian skater, Boone Jenner, LEFT HIS FEET to “finish his check” against a Fin who had or had just gotten rid of the puck.

    As a direct result, one of Finland’s finest young prospects left the game injured.

    He will not return for the rest of the tournament.

    Out with a concussion.

    NONE of these hits were penalized.

  24. ABHabsfan says:

    Our man Jared Tinordi is having a real strong game against the Finns right now on TSN. Size and reach like Hal Gill but MUCH better skater. Very strong against puck carriers. Bob MacKenzie saying he was best player on the ice in the 1st period

  25. Les Canayens says:

    Bertrand Raymond, during the language storm, claimed that Andre Savard was the best Habs GM in recent years. He restates the same thing today, adding it was an injustice when he was replaced by Gainey: http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/332378.html

    I then spit my hot chocolat looking at the team Gainey inherited form Savard in 2003: Saku Koivu, Yanic Perrault, Richard Zednik, Jan Bulis, *Andrei Markov, Patrice Brisebois, Andreas Dackell, Donald Audette, Oleg Petrov, Joe Juneau, Craig Rivet, Randy McKay, Mike Ribeiro, Chad Kilger, Niklas Sundstrom, Mariusz Czerkawski, Patrick Traverse, Marcel Hossa, Stephane Quintal, Karl Dykhuis, Jason Ward, Francis Bouillon, Bill Lindsay, Mike Komisarek, Sylvain Blouin, Ron Hainsey, Gordie Dwyer, Francois Beauchemin, Sheldon Souray, Jose Theodore, Jeff Hackett, Mathieu Garon. (source: http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2009/7/17/952320/the-gainey-regime-2003-04-year-one )

    LOL

    Gainey had to buyout many among them, and to go from this into what the team was in 2007 til now, he deserves lots of credit.

    Give it up Bertrand Raymond.

    “I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.”

    • otter649 says:

      Savard was also assistant GM to Gainey for three years before he left to go to Pittsburg so Savard was involved with The Habs for about six years……

      • Les Canayens says:

        In that case B. Raymond is even more biased.

        ☞ I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears. ☜

  26. twocents says:

    By me own cyphering Emelin is 5th in the league for hits per game.

    If he gets sat much more I’ll be bummed. He brings a dimension no other D does and that alone justifies giving him time to improve other aspects of his game. Namely, decision-making and positioning. Both teachable skills.

    • theox_8 says:

      he is even starting to jump up in the rush too, exciting watching him play !

    • db says:

      He’s been keeping the puck in on the point quite well on the PP, is showing the rights instincts when moving into the shooting lanes… I like what I see. It’s obvious he’s played with men for a couple of years and the guy is solid.

  27. theox_8 says:

    IMO pg has made some decent moves , like the wiz and moore way back when. Giving up some draft picks through it all im on the fence about. The way pg does business though makes me shake my head at times, with the way wiz was let go (which was fine by me) , but not even talking to him at all doesnt seem like very good business smarts. The way spacek was treated with the trade, also not good business . I guess what im getting at is, what big name free agents can pg lure to Montreal if he is indeed the gm for years to come?

    • ajk025 says:

      General Question: It seemed like Pacioretty did not play the last 10 minutes of the game (including 4 mins of PP time). Was this a move by Cunneyworth because he played a bad game? I didnt catch the whole game which is why I am asking. I love number 67 and hope we do everything to keep his confidence up.

    • mrhabby says:

      how do you know PG never talked to WIZ’s agent?

    • habs03 says:

      I think Avater58(sp), was talking about this earlier, I think its over blown. Why does PG need to talk to Wiz agent about contract when he doesn’t plan on signing him. Same with Mara, Sopel etc, they all got a thank you, will call you if we have anything to offer. Same for Halak, PG knew what Halak would be looking for and there was no need to call his agent and ask him what Halak wanted when MTL was not going to offer anything.

      As for others, I mean Price agent, and Gorges himself this summer saying that they appreciated PG honestly when dealing with them. Price agent said PG told him not to worry about any rumors about the Habs looking for another goalie when Price was taking long to sign. And also Gorges said he respect that PG told him that the team couldn’t offer more than 1 year because they were taking a risk with the Markov contact.

    • habsnyc says:

      He could lure gionta, markov, cole, kaberle, gomez, plekanec and cammalleri. He has $38 million locked into those seven players for a few more years. That leaves $30million for the remainder of the team. No room for big name free agents. So PG has you covered. No worries.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

      • theox_8 says:

        I hardly doubt he had to sweet talk markov into “re-signing” , and gomez was all bg . I think pg has made good moves, Cole is turning out to be a beast and is one of my new fav players. I am not one calling for his head on here like others have been.

      • Les Canayens says:

        I was also about to say “Cole?”

        “I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.”

    • powdered toastmann says:

      Xing my fingers…but hopefully he’s out the door sooner than later and is not the GM “for years to come”.

  28. aj says:

    Good win by the Habs last night as well as Cunneyworth’s 1st win.

    It seems that after I posted my previous comment about Pierre McGuire as endorsed by Scotty Bowman as the Next GM, I opened up a big can of worms. Be that as it may, however, I do also agree with Bertrand Raymond’s article here:

    http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/332378.html

    For me though, If either Serge OR Andre Savard won’t take the role as the next GM, and if Pierre McGuire is not the good replacement come the end of this season, My personal opinion (and my first choice) would be Scotty Bowman as the best suitable replacement for Pierre Gauthier.

  29. Habsolutely says:

    Wow, and I thought I saw some crazy trade ideas here. Just read this post on TSN’s comment section from a hab fan, would you make this trade..?

    “Price, Kostitsyn, Weber, Gomez and a 1st rounder to Colorado for Giguere, Duchene, Johnson and a 2nd rounder. What I am saying is that this team needs a massively major shake-up that will only come via a massively major trade! BTW…nice win men!”

  30. naweed235 says:

    I saw there was some talk earlier about Artyukin and I absolutely agree… The man is a beast who can play and it is beyond me that he is playing in the KHL…. Assuming that PG was taken on a ride with the ghost of GM past and is a changed man and wants to sign Arty he has to clear waivers… Can anyone tell me how the waiver system works? If im not wrong based on the standings, the lower teams can claim him before right? I think that’s what happened with Nabokov… Can anyone confirm this?

    • Malreg says:

      Yes, I believe it is based on the standings on a per week basis. As in every Monday morning, the waiver list is created for that week based on the standings on that day.

      So if Sidney Crosby was placed on waivers, the 30th place team would get the priority in claiming him.

  31. dorvalhabsfan says:

    I was one of the few who prolly thought JW wasnt going to get canned.. when he did i was surprised.. i wasnt for or against but the results leaned me to that i agreed.. now the problem is it didnt work like planned.. why? we have JM 2.0 in the lineup.. half the fanbase doesnt approve.. and half the media doesnt approve.. the players didnt give a hoot under JM.. the same system with a new voice changed nothing… PG choked by making a big splash without having a legit road map (unless that roadmap is tanking) in the end firing JM was the wrong move because it showed MTL’s inability to either create or follow through on a plan B.. personally i dont fdind PG responsible for the disaster on the ice.. i blame molson.. he is the boss… he decides who comes and goes by approviing of PG moves.. he came out caused a bigger poop storm referring to the coaching debacle after cunneyworth was hired Markovs knee injury and the total disregard for the fans (maybe even the players ).. after he came in charge it whent downhill for MTL… PG makes great moves (moore. wisniewski, Cole, Emelin,) the list goes on farther but the bottom line is that the team is in a perfect storm of thoughtlessness, half hearted efforts. thats how alot of the press conferences sound “i dont know where Markov is” i dont blame JM for that.. but JM boss… PG or molson… boo to the administration bvecause their lack of care for their customers trickled down to the product…

    I find it awesomeley hilarious.. i posted this before the win last night.. i still stand by it… but i laugh so hard at when i posted this the nitpicking was left to “how do you know how many ppl were pissed off” and “only QC matters?” for a community who doesnt find that the language matters theres alot of vehement animosity towards hiring a french speaker… but i still find that these issues need to be addressed

    Go Habs Go

    • Bripro says:

      PG gave up a 2nd round draft choice for 2012, then let Moore walk after the playoffs were over.
      He did better with the Wiz. He gave up a 2nd rounder and eventually a 5th rounder as well. He let him walk as well.
      Bob Gainey was GM in 2004 when Emelin was drafted.
      Cole I’ll give you.
      As for Moore and the Wiz, they were great pick ups, but why not attempt to sign them?
      You don’t give up the future for band-aid solutions.

      • dorvalhabsfan says:

        that may be true but moore got us to the 2nd round… the good pick up was left to drop by the wais side.. it cancels itself out.. but that 2nd rounder would have not been a savior… and the 2nd round for Wiz got us IN the playoffs… the 2nd for wiz was proactive and made it worth the 2nd round.. im curious to see what he’ll do in the offseason with the mess because im 100% sure he wont get fired… Emelin he brought over,, more then can be said for prior GM.. but you cant look at trades that are meant to address injuries and say “well they didnt win the cup” when your altinator goes and you buy a 2nd hand altinaotor while you wait for your new car you cant blame the “new” altinator for not changing your whole car right?

        Go Habs Go

        • steve17 says:

          Getting into the playoffs is not enough to have given up two 2nd round picks. If you watch around the NHL the last few years, 2nd round picks have been the gold GM’s want. How can you say, that those players would not have been a saviours? Maybe not saviours, but the Habs may have been a better team for more years and gone deeper in the playoffs with those two 2nd rounders.

          All those trades did was put more playoff money in the pockets of the owner! How do we know they would not have gotten that far without Moore and Wiz?

          Habfan17

      • mrhabby says:

        have you seen the money wiz is making. the jackets over paid for him huge and markov was still in play…the jackets can have there 6m man and his horrible play.

      • habs03 says:

        You have to look at the context. You can’t say he gave up a 2nd for Moore, and let Moore walk, when he replaced Moore with Halpern.

    • mrhabby says:

      total disregard for the fans…..since when do fans opinions matter. hockey is a business..right.

  32. 24 Cups says:

    Latest power rankings has the Habs at #22.

    BTW, Wedgewood gets the start for Canada tonight against the Czech Republic.

    http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/rankings/nhl/

  33. naweed235 says:

    Random thought: God knows there is nothing that I hate more than the Bruins and last summer I was hoping that the Bs would resign Kaberle…

  34. 123456 says:

    Wiz -18 yikes

    • Bripro says:

      He’s settled down though. Most of that was in their first 10-12 games.

      • PureGuava says:

        the ones that he was suspended for 8 of?

        “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
        - Robert Anton Wilson

        • Bripro says:

          LOL. Do I have to answer that?
          Following his return, while they were (are) missing
          Carter, Kubalik, Sanford, Mason…and a few others to injuries.
          They’re in worse shape than our Habs.

      • twocents says:

        ??? He’s -10 in his last 14 games.

        • HabFab says:

          Happy Holidays and Season’s Greeting, oh thou esteemed poster!

          • twocents says:

            Ha ha! I’m barely a poster these days.

            Happy holidays to you too, Frank! Lots of snow down your way I hear.

            Good to see the boys get the monkey of their backs with their first win under Cunneyworth. I still think this is a good team. I liked the roster choices he made last night. I’ve no desire to see Campoli play another minute for us.

            If and when Markov and White get back, we could have a real nice finish to this season. That’s what I’m hoping for.

      • Bripro says:

        As a team, they’re all pretty brutal this year.
        Carter got a hat trick the other night, and they still lost.
        Rick Nash is -20. We can all read the stats.
        Wiz plays big minutes on a weak defence and very poor goaltending.

        • twocents says:

          The point I am responding to is you saying most of his minus stats were accumulated during his first 10-12 games. The fact is, more than half of them were accumulated in his most recent games.

          • Bripro says:

            Then TSN’s report last wednesday night (?) was wrong. They reported he was -12 in his first 8 games back, and started to play better defensively in his last 10-15 games. I guess not.

          • twocents says:

            -8 in his first 8 games.

            Are you surprised a TSN commentator is wrong?

          • Bripro says:

            For the few times that I watch it. Burned again.

        • habs03 says:

          Sorry but this isn’t right, out of all the D-men Wiz is the only one in double digats negative in +/- even with missing the first 8 games. I like Wiz, but he isn’t worth anything more than 4M per year. He is a really good tough gritty offensive D-men, but his defensively play is horrible. He is a #4 D-men on a decent team, nothing more.

          • avatar_58 says:

            I agree, but how much is Kaberle worth just to pass the puck on the PP?

          • Bripro says:

            There’s no question he’s overpaid, but Columbus had cap issues to deal with, and went out and signed some high-priced players.
            And ran out of money for a #1 goaltender.
            Something like the Sens.

          • habs03 says:

            @ avatar_58, Karble, probaly 3.5 would be ideal, but the problem with Wiz is the 6 year term.

          • steve17 says:

            Maybe Wiz would have taken less to stay with the Habs, if he had been asked while the season was still on and the team was doing well!

            Habfan17

    • avatar_58 says:

      Remember his +/- when he wasn’t a hab? I guess that’s what happens when you play a guy in situations he’s not supposed to handle – like top pairing duty. He’s being paid and expected to perform like a Markov or a Chara. Big mistake.

      You know, kind of like what the habs are doing to Gorges and Subban.

  35. eric says:

    24 cups and 3 have been won by francophone coaches

    • Seps says:

      Yes but the search will always be for the 4th, instead of the 22nd

    • habsnyc says:

      you are off an a tangent. the crucial aspect is French speaking not Francophone. 23 Cups been won by coaches who speak French. If ownership, the media, the former owners, the former gm’s, the former coaches and the former players and the vast majority of the province all want a French speaking coach, why are you bothering with this? Again, French speaking like Bowman and Gainey spoke French. Not necessarily Francophone or born in Quebec, just able to speak directly to the entire fanbase in a language they understand. What is the big deal? Make an accomodation, be nice, be friendly and if it so offends your sensibilities then move out of Quebec.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  36. Bripro says:

    A win!
    That’s all I care about.
    Never mind language, or lack of defensive effort.
    It’s been pointed out that the team’s defence stunk last night and they wouldn’t stand a chance agains the Bs or Flyers.
    They gave both those teams all kinds of grief two weeks ago, and the scores could have gone either way.
    The defensive effort in Chi and Win were pretty feeble, but the points don’t reflect the season to date, IMHO.
    So let’s be optimistic, and stop blowing up the team for….
    - A bruiser
    - A new coach
    - A new GM
    - A blockbuster trade
    As it is, the team is as is, so let’s try and enjoy.
    We should fire a few of the GMs on HIO and start over.

  37. The HonestFan says:

    I know I’m talking anti- Habs again but I would love to see a legit heavyweight and a middle weight like Brown/Kenopka. That would cut down the on our defenseman eating glass all night long

    • Mr. Biter says:

      Finally after posting for 2 years that we need a “heavyweight” it seems to be sinking in. Thanks HonestFan and below posters.

      Mr. Biter

    • Curtis O Habs says:

      To think Kenopka went well into the summer unsigned. PG asleep at the switch.

      • Bripro says:

        Kenopka was a -41 over the last four years.
        I wouldn’t say he was snoozing.
        For this one, I think astute perception prevailed.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        The one thing I have to say about Kenopka, he is a brutal skater.
        I wanted him at first but even guys like Shawn Thornton are much better skaters.

        • Danno says:

          He’s a one-trick pony who takes stupid penalties. Maybe he would do better with the Bruins – who are untouchable for penalties – but not so much for other teams.

          ________________________________________

          “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

      • 123456 says:

        yea the habs could really use his 5 points to date and his 7 minutes of ice time each game.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Its not his points that they need…

          • Bripro says:

            No. It’s his 300+ minutes in penalties.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Exactly! Hopefully 100 of those PIMs would be from punching Lucic and Thornton in the face…after they’ve pushed around Price and Subban.

          • Bripro says:

            You even said it yourself. He’s a brutal skater. As slow as Gill’s molasses.
            We don’t need someone like that. We need someone like the Sens’ Neal.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Yes I agree. Neal is good but I’d like someone a step up from Neal in the toughness category. Neal would go with Lucic or Thornton but I’d rather take Carkner from the Sens.

            We have 3 defensemen of the same mold in Weber, Campoli, Diaz, surely we could do without one of them and find a guy like Carkner.

        • Bripro says:

          He’d be a much better choice I think.
          Kenopka is a losing deal all the way around.
          Karkner’s a much better player.
          I wouldn’t include Diaz in your sacrificial lamb list though.
          He’s progressing nicely.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Diaz is progressing nicely sure, but if you minus Gill, who is a huge softy, we have the smallest defense in the league.

            We’ve got guys in Subban and Kaberle and hopefully Markov that are supposed to provide offense but we really have no physical stay-at-home defenseman.

            Gorges is great but he’s 6′ all and is more of a shot blocker and Gill’s tank is almost empty and he doesn’t have a nasty bone in his body.

          • steve17 says:

            I would not trade Diaz either, I would trade Weber and Pulashaj to San Jose for Nick Petricki.

            I would also send Plekanec to Anaheim for Ryan if he is available, you have to give something up to get something! Then I would send Cammalleri to Chicago for Kyle Beach and a 3rd rounder. Then trade Gionta for Brassard and take achance on him. Now the Habs would have much more size and still have skill. Oh yeah, and leave Gomez in Hamilton. Lines would be;
            Pacman, Eller, Cole,
            Ryan, D.D., Kostitsyn
            Moen, Brassard, Beach
            Darche, Nokelainan, Blunden

            Petrecki, Subban,
            Emelin, Gorges,
            Gill, Kaberle
            Campoli ( Until Nash is recovered from Injury )

            Habfan17

  38. Mavid says:

    Re: the uniforms with the big O, because its Ottawa..trying to run with the big boys…but they fail..this is their attempt at a retro jersey copying the original 6..they had hockey country one year…um Detroit already did that..they had the red mile…stolen from Calgary…last year their moto was “BE RED” are you kidding me…if your a sens fan be red…of what embarassement? Lame team, lame city…if only i knew more french..I would be outta here and back home…

    second place is just the first loser

  39. Un Canadien errant says:

    Fly in the ointment: Daniel Prybil didn’t play yesterday for the Czech Republic in their win against Denmark. Anyone know anything about this? I suppose either an injury, or he’s not good enough to make the roster, but I’d like to know more if such knowledge is out there.

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    How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • GenerationYHabs says:

      Apprently he was hurt at their first team practice and isn’t expected to come back.

    • HabFab says:

      Played in their exhibition games over here, scored 3 points and then injured. Apparently a cut to his leg, sounds similar to Cammy’s injury but they didn’t fill his spot and are playing one forward short. Either because there wasn’t time to or they are hoping he can come back soon.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Thanks for the info. Better news that he is injured rather than that he not be able to cut it in the stronger competition. Hopefully he heals quickly and has a Huberdeau-worthy return soon.

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      How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • 24moreCups says:

      Sucks was really looking forward to seeing him play.

      • longbow says:

        Looking forward to seeing Eller’s little bro when we face Denmark. Hope Lars gets to see the game.

        “A constant smirk upon the face, and a whiffing activity of the body, are strong indications of futility.” Lord Chesterfield

  40. The Dude says:

    Nice win and here’s what needs fixing Now! :1) We need player’s that can beat up (deleted) like Neil.Never going anywhere with guy’s like that (deleted) intimidating LL , Subban or the rest of les petite.GAUTHIER …GET RID OF SOME DEAD WEIGHT AND GO GET EVGENHY ARTYUKTIN from KHL comrade….the Dude can play and the best part would take (deleted) like Neil right out of the game!

    • Les Canayens says:

      The thing with middle weight guys like Chris Neil and to a certain extend Shawn Thornton, is that they’ve been with the same team since a while and must have more loyalty than someone you just hire to fill into that role, barely knowing his teammates. (btw Artyukhin will likely be a matchup to Carkner instead)
      If White can come back healthy, and stays with the Habs longer than 2-3 years, then we’ll have our home grown loyal middle weight tough guy who can also play hockey.

      “I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.”

    • avatar_58 says:

      Actually personally I’d like Neil on my team

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        He was a big punk last night, can’t stand that kid. No way he plays on my team.

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        How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

        • avatar_58 says:

          A punk like white, moen?

          Don’t play into that “it’s only ok on my team” nonsense. Neil was doing his job – trying to cause trouble and stir emotions. He’s a (deleted) disturber ala Lapierre, only he’s able to drop the gloves and hit to back it up.

          As long as he does it without crossing the line (and he didn’t, otherwise plek would be in the hospital) I have zero problem with it.

          You think other teams like Emelin smashing their teammates into oblivion? I’m sure he’s called worse than “punk” by his victims. He’s called “awesome” by me

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            I can respect tough guys on other teams, guys that play hard and tough. They usually have to play fair, hit hard but clean, and pick on guys their own size. Erik Cole, while not fitting the mold of the tough guy, was one of those guys I respected, even though he usually killed our team. Chris Neil is not one of those guys I respect.

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            How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

            http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

          • theox_8 says:

            agreed, Neil was a guy that for years I wished we could have in a habs uniform. A tough guy that can skate and score on occasion and a guy that will stick up for his mates.

          • dr. gesundheit says:

            Neil and Carkner…I would definitely take both in an instant…don’t think that they’re the type of player though that the Goat would be interested in. (too tough and would make things more comfortable for some of our smaller habs)…Read Dryden’s book “The Game” for some confirmation re this concept.

    • HabFab says:

      @ the dude – off topic but in response to your post earlier. Francophone’s make up 22% of Canadian population and 79% of Quebec. Ethnic dynamics are changing with the influx of immigrates. Similar drops for Anglophones.

      • The Dude says:

        Habfab lets just say that number is 80% and if you took Montreal out of the picture it would be 99%. Les Habatant is a religion in La Belle(just like here,lol) and needs huge French representation.More french athlete’s(need a scouting dept there like Philly’s and Boston!) and a bilingual Management and staff .It’s the reality and when good guy’s like Cunneyworth tell the media he’s not gonna take french and pick it up as he goes(bet he’s sorryassed about that one)it make’s me shake my head,very insensitive and stupid thing to say(like keeping the gas next to the fire!)
        If you feed a Sovereignist ammo he’ll shoot you with it,eh!

        • ZepFan2 says:

          “Cunneyworth tell the media he’s not gonna take french and pick it up as he goes”

          I never heard him say that. Maybe you can post a link.

          Here’s what I’ve read:

          “Say this about Randy Cunneyworth.

          He may not speak a lot of French, but he reads the situation well enough to have bought himself a Rosetta Stone online language program for Christmas.”

          http://tinyurl.com/bomtu2z

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          Welcome to the newer NHL: The National Headshot League.

          • The Dude says:

            One of his first interview with RDS after he got the head coach gig(can’t remember if it was before or after his first game,pretty sure pre game)

        • wall2bay says:

          So what if Cunnyworth wins the Cup and Jack Adams (not that it’s likely to happen….but what if?).

          Do you let him go cuz his french sucks? The Habs winning the Stanley Cups is what made them the “religion” they are today.

          “I kind of feel sorry for players who never got a chance to be a Montreal Canadien” – Cammalleri

          • The Dude says:

            Because of les big stink that was made I think Cunney’s gonna fix his french issue,that if he was to get rid of the interim in front of Head Coach.

    • Malreg says:

      If Artyukhin was even a half decent hockey player, he wouldn’t have had to bolt to the KHL to find a job.

    • New says:

      Neil showed up to play last nite. He usually does.

    • HabFab says:

      Artyukhin would have to pass thru waivers if brought over during the season. Boston would grab him, if no one else, just to prevent us from having him.

    • Phil C says:

      Exactly how would he take a guy like Neil out of the game? I guarantee a guy like Neil won’t slow down just because you have a goon on the bench. So the Habs would have to play him every time Neil is on the ice which would give the advantage to Ottawa because Neil can play hockey, and more than likely anyone Montreal could get could not. Also, the coach can no longer roll four lines, which is a HUGE price to pay in this league. Goons that can play hockey are tough to find, that’s why Ottawa kept Neil last year when they easily could have traded him as a part of their re-building fire sale.

      In my opinion, trying to play tough teams toughly is a tactical error because you are playing to THEIR strength instead of YOUR strength. If Ottawa sends out Neil, Cartner, etc, send out DD, Cammy, and Gionta and let them skate circles around them. That’s the best way to get a goon stapled to his own bench.

      • The Dude says:

        Artyukhin is a much better hockey player than Neil and yes you match it up as much as possible…again watch youtube on Evgeny.

        • Phil C says:

          Artyukhin can skate, I will give you that. At least he would not be like Laraque who was a complete waste of a roster spot. I still think Neil is better offensively. Even if you compare their Major Junior hockey numbers, Neil’s are much better. Any idea what Artyukhin makes in the KHL? Can’t see the Habs paying more than $1.0M-1.5M.

  41. Cdubya says:

    I was at the game last night and sat in the end the Habs shot at in the first and third periods. I thought Carey was great, maybe it’s due to my view, but Eller was the best player on the ice. I’ve also noticed more quotes from him lately as well, he is finally finding his place on this team and will be a true leader in a few years. It’s been too long since we have had a BIG scoring line as well

    WHEN IS WHITE BACK?

  42. Mats26 says:

    Saw the guys on L’Antichambre saying that Markov can only skate north south.

    I’d rather have Marky skating north south making his sweet first passes than have Gill standing completely still. Two directions are better than none.

    • rhino514 says:

      has that been substantiated by anyone else?
      that´s a majot negative development and if it were true would be causing a furor by now, so sceptical…..

      • HabFab says:

        That was the reason they went in and cleaned his knee up as he was experiencing pain doing lateral moves. Have not heard he has resumed skating since the procedure.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        That was the case in California, when he seemed ready to play imminently, but the commenters on l’Antichambre, notably Gaston Therrien, who saw him at practice, said he was very tentative in any change of direction. He hasn’t skated since, so I think that’s what they were referring to. HabFab is right, the pain and discomfort he was experiencing precipitated the mystery LA doctor visit and subsequent cleanup procedure.

        I’m hearing lots of tub-thumpers predicting that Andrei won’t play this season, but the news coming out of the latest procedure was that the structure of the knee, including the repair, was still good, so let’s hope the cleanup took out the bothersome scar tissue and cartilage and he’ll be ready soon.

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        How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      That was based on seeing him skate 3-4 weeks ago prior to his recent operation.

      They also speculated that Gomez wasn’t really injured, in case you were wondering about the ‘quality’ of their assessments.

  43. WestHab says:

    A big relief last night and the Habs still pushed the game once they were up 3-1 and 4-1 etc.

    I know the sens were wearing a big “O” on there jersey’s but why would you design something that just looks like a big “zero” ?

    “Merci beaucoup.”

    Randy Cunnyworth

  44. Joo swee tray contan. There, RC, was that so hard?

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I felt manipulated, used. Mr. Cunneyworth acted like a trained seal, inelegantly balancing a ball on his nose.

      It’s unfortunate that this controversy causes him to condescend to the public in such a manner.

      I wish he had taken steps during the season to learn some rudiments, and that Mr. Muller had done so as well in all the years he had here. We wouldn’t be in this mess if either of them had stepped up.

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      How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  45. PureGuava says:

    I’ve been telling anyone that will listen for months that Eller between Pac and Cole was the way to go….It seemed like a no-brainer to me. This is not a knock on DD, but I thought that he was the beneficiary of much his wingers hard work, and not the other way around. I think with Eller in the middle now, this could potentially be the most dangerous line the habs have had in years. The size, skill, and finish of this trio has me salivating.

    I seem to recall Boone musing about it a while back as well.

    “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
    - Robert Anton Wilson

  46. Seps says:

    If there’s any french enthusiasts on the website please answer this question, would you rather have a french coach who sits the young french star (Leblanc obviously) or would you rather have an english coach who lets the young french star flourish?

  47. jon514 says:

    Hey sweet! With the injury to Smith-Pelly, habs own Brenden Gallagher will be playing right wing on the top line for Canada!

    http://tsn.ca/world_jrs/story/?id=383572

    “Let’s be clear on the facts…”

  48. Canayens says:

    Minor ironic flashback of the day:

    Circa 2007, hearing some claiming for a Kovalev – Tanguay trade.

    2008, acquired Tanguay as a FA, thus having both Kovalev AND Tanguay.

    Edit: My bad, Tanguay was indeed traded during draft day in 2008. Thanks for the reminder ed lopaz.

    “I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.”

  49. Hobie Hansen says:

    A few things from last night’s game…

    1) Thank god for Price!

    2) Nice to see Cammalleri actually setup someone off the rush. Nice pass to Leblanc on his goal.

    3) My jaw dropped when Pacioretty showed some life in that scrap! We need more players to get angry on occasion!

    • ed lopaz says:

      Martin didn’t coach “angry”; he was the opposite.

      I don’t support the fighting – I used to when I was younger – but I figure if the NFL doesn’t allow fighting they are probably on to something, since NFL athletes are the biggest and greatest athletes in the world.

      I believe in “angry” forechecking;

      I believe in “angry” battling and protecting our crease area, so that we are not an easy team to play against.

      Players should know (like ours do all too often) that there is a heavy price to be paid for trying to bang in a garbage goal.

      Max is a born leader.

      Max and Subban and Price – awesome core!!

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I too am in my late 30s and don’t care for fighting as much as I once didn’t but I don’t care what anybody says, it’s a young man’s game and a good fight can 100% give your team some momentum.

        That’s why the Sens were trying to coax the Habs into fights when they were down.

        And I’m happy the Habs declined and kept the momentum in their favor by not letting Konopka kick the snot out of Gill.

    • My few cents;
      1) Habs backchecked better than I’ve seen in a long time. Seemed no matter where the camera panned there were more Habs in the frame than Sens. Good team defense.
      2) Cammy hopefully realized that good things happen when you’re less than 10 feet from the night. The one-timers from the dot are pretty, but you’ll get more from the dirty area.
      3) Total team contribution with a huge tip of the hat to Price.

  50. JF says:

    Check out the NHL Three Stars. Raphael Diaz, whom most wanted in Hamilton, got the third star!

    • Phil C says:

      Nice. I am a big Diaz fan, I think he plays really solid positional defense and moves the puck crisply, especially for a rookie. He gets unfairly compared to Weber, but I think he is WAY ahead of Weber now. Paired with Gill, they played well last night. I thought his one-timer on the PP looked good as well.

      • JF says:

        I’m a big Diaz fan too. He’s not physical, but he’s fast, he makes good decisions with the puck, and he has a good shot. He’s been one of our best defencemen lately. But I actually think
        Weber could become good also. Being moved around the way he’s been has messed up his confidence. We all need to be patient.

  51. AceMagnum says:

    Ass-ugly uniforms on the Sens

    “Horton Hears a Boo”
    -Mike Boone April 2011

  52. JF says:

    Just finished watching Canadens Express (Habs victories are so few this year I have to savour each one twice over!). Watching the actual game, I kind of overlooked how excellent Price was, but I realized it this time. There was a sequence late in the second period when the Senators had a dominant powerplay. Price made some huge saves; a Sens goal at that point would have given them some serious momentum going into the third.

    I think Habs fans tend to take for granted how good Price is. When he isn’t actually stealing games, or when his save percentage drops a little, we think he’s just ordinary. His numbers are down a bit this year, but, when you take into account the error-prone defence in front of him, he’s still playing very well.

    • Ali says:

      The change in his game came when he started tracking the puck better. If you watch the season where he lost the starting job to Jaro, he constantly lost the puck and couldn’t find it, I think it had to do with focus. But he improved his practice habits and now you see how well he follows the puck, even in traffic.

  53. ed lopaz says:

    Eller’s “shortie” was the turning point of the game and maybe the whole season??

    Down 1-0 on a goal where Gill got beat badly off the boards, Plekanec takes a penalty, and if we go down 2-0…there were a couple of overweight females in the crowd who were all too ready to bust into a “classic” Bieber tune.

    But my man Eller saved the day.

    I feel like the team has been freed from a bondage of sorts;

    its like the “Count” had taken the heart and soul out of this team.

    it was no fun to play for him, and certainly no fun to watch the games.

    last night, I cheered the Habs goals like we were winning game seven vs Washington and Pittsburgh all over again.

    it was GREAT!!

    2 very tough games coming up.

    We’ll “jump off that bridge when we get to it”. (WR)

    • Ali says:

      He played with jump, also must’ve been happy to be playing with Cole and MaxPac, who also changed the momentum when he dropped the gloves.

      • ed lopaz says:

        agree about Max changing momentum by dropping the gloves.

        in fact, I would speculate that Max had that exactly on his mind when he agreed to fight.

        there was NO REASON to fight – and he never fights.

        it wasn’t much of a fight!!

        but the players rose from the bench and banged their sticks against the boards in appreciation for the “effort”

        Good call Ali – that was a key moment in the game.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Christmas in Florida is historically tough for us, but even a little momentum would go a long way to building confidence.

  54. Bash says:

    Hmmm… They got pushed around a little but Leblanc and Cammy look good together and DD fits… This may be our flash and dance line! The THREE TOWERS should be able to play against any big first line in the league. Pleks and Andrei need Gionta. Moen with White and Noki?

    If you look carefully you can see a little light in all that gloom. Gionta, White and Markov back in the lineup and who knows what could happen?

    Just give us one more piece…Gomez, Weber, Campoli for ???

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

    • Arrow77 says:

      You can’t get anything for those three players. Package deals usually involve a big name and none of those are. Cammalleri or Gionta + Weber or Campoli might bring something valuable but not that much.

  55. habstrinifan says:

    I feel like Ernie Banks… Let’s play TWO!

    G…D..mn that was beautiful!

    Phone my LEAF brother-in-law last night and laughed and laughed at him.

    I still say there should be a law against marriage between hockey species.

  56. Ian Cobb says:

    With this kind of hockey now being played, what are we to do with White, Gomez and Gionta.? Maybe a 5th line in reserve.?

    • habstrinifan says:

      White deserves his chance when he returns… maybe spell Blunden. I realy am curious as to if Gomez will be back with this team.. something seems odd there. I think Gionta’s fundamentally ‘stand-up’ character will see him through this period. He just has to slop off some of the organizationa mandated change of honesty that he had adopted.

    • vegas says:

      Gionta probably ends up with Plekanec and AK
      Moen goes to the 4th line
      and White joins to 4th line

      AK/ Plek / Gionta
      Maxpac / Eller / Cole
      Cammalleri / DD / LL
      Meon / Gomez / White
      looks pretty good

      my preference
      Maxpac / Eller / Cole
      Cammalleri / Plek / Ak
      DD / Gomez / Gionta (i liked this line in the payoffs last year)
      Moen / LL / White

  57. Ian Cobb says:

    We have been so starved for so long to watch a good old fashion two way hockey game, and come out with a convincing win. Well lets just say thanks to the coaches and the boys for a very fun evening.
    We may still struggle some games as we play our kids and catch one of the last play off spots, but the players know as well as we know what type of hockey we have left behind, forever! Thank Gawd that era is over with.

    We have the talent to make a large noise, if they grow as a TEAM the rest of the way!

  58. avatar_58 says:

    Leblanc is a welcome surprise this year btw. I worried they would rush him, but given injuries it’s to be expected. He’s in the right places, making the right decisions. And hey – he can score!

    Beats watching Palushaj or Engqvist float around out there.

  59. Canayens says:

    Watching the post game interview on RDS, is it just me or did coach Conneyworth aged like 10 years in a few days since hired?

    “I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.”

  60. Un Canadien errant says:

    1) The Tampa Bay Lightning is ravaged with injuries on their defence corps. Time to dangle Chris Campoli in return for a mid-round pick?

    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/27/lightning-defense-takes-a-few-more-hits/

    2) How good would Andrei Kostitsyn look in a Predators jersey alongside his brother? I wonder if they have anyone on their roster we’d like in return?

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    • habs03 says:

      I’d take a 3 round pick from Tampa for Campoli, if not wait until the deadline.

      As for A.Kost, maybe Blake Geoffrion and a pick.

    • JF says:

      Why are you so convinced the Canadiens will let Andrei Kostitsyn go? You actually seem in a hurry for it to happen.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        It’s an itch I’m trying to scratch. I can’t not notice when he coasts on the ice. His occasional explosions only shine a spotlight on his nights off. I’ve fallen out of love permanently, and now I feel betrayed and vindictive.

        He’s had many seasons to show dedication and consistency and productivity according to his talent. I’m expecting him to leave in free agency, or worse, for the Canadiens to resign him, another twenty goal scorer, to a multiyear five million dollar a season contract.

        My best case scenario is that he plays lights out and we get good value for him at the deadline.

        To be clear, I think we should trade all our valuable, moveable assets at the deadline to contenders for prospects and picks. I include Hal Gill, Travis Moen, and Josh Gorges in this list of availables. If a team out there makes a decent offer for Mike Cammalleri or Brian Gionta, we should let them go as well, although I understand their contract and no-trade clauses will make that difficult.

        I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect our team to improve by just trading the players nobody wants, like Scott Gomez or Tomas Kaberle. If we want to make trades to get good value in return, we need to trade loyal soldiers who would be the final piece on a contender’s roster, but don’t realistically figure in our long-term plans. Kind of like when we traded away Craig Rivet. That one stung for a while, but it was ultimately a great trade for us.

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  61. SmartDog says:

    One swallow doesn’t make a summer, but it was a good win. The whole team played with attitude and got rewarded for it. I wonder what’s next. Was that the real team or did they catch Ottawa flat after the holidays?

    I won’t even guess, but I will say it’s still unlikely we’ll make the playoffs. Please, oh, please just don’t make us a playoff chasing team at deadline… we know how that goes.

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  62. avatar_58 says:

    I’m finally going to a bulldogs game this year, I hope they win for me. Might pickup my AHL outdoor tickets too if they are selling them there

  63. DorvalTony says:

    That’s the Carey Price I’ve been waiting for.

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  64. HabFab says:

    People, methinks Boone is holding out on us. Check out the TSN 1 on 1 interview with PK. At around the 1:50 mark along comes Boone followed closely by Gauthier and Gainey. So Mike, did Bo have you give the “whats whats” talk to PG or “what”?
    PG looked beat up a bit or maybe it is just that vegan look!

    http://watch.tsn.ca/nhl/#clip591956

    Reposted from previous post.

    • habs03 says:

      LOL, Boone is behind the Gomez trade!!!!

      I was didn’t agree with a lot of Gainey’s trades when he was GM, but man did I love the guy.

      Go to around the 5 15 mark of the video
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b02Dlrq6ovc

      • LA Loyalist says:

        One of my greatest wishes is that Gainey one day writes a memoir explaining what he did, why he did it, what the assumptions were… I’m not holding my breath, but one can hope…

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Mr. Boone was probably passing on my latest posts to Mr. Gauthier. I know he reads them because he does what I say, the only ones he ignored were my frequent requests that he sign Shane O’Brien in the offseason. I think he regrets ignoring that one now, think of the benefits of having his presence back there.

      I should have posted repeatedly that he should NOT trade for Tomas Kaberle, but I thought that one went without saying.

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  65. longbow says:

    I’d like to see Weber and Campoli moved for a draft pick or whatever. I feel much better with Freddie St.Denis as the #7 till/if Markov comes back.

    “A constant smirk upon the face, and a whiffing activity of the body, are strong indications of futility.” Lord Chesterfield

    • habs03 says:

      As for Campoli, you wait until the deadline, more teams bidding for his services, should be able to get us atleast a 3rd round pick, maybe a 2nd. Same for Gill if the team is not going to make the playoffs, we can get a 2nd and a prospect for Gill IMO.

      As for Weber, it has to be a hockey trade, something like Dags for Palushaj or O’byrne for Bournival.

      • avatar_58 says:

        Either way lose Campoli. I don’t know why they bothered picking him up.

        • habs03 says:

          He would have been more useful if he hadn’t gotten injured, but hey I like the move to sign him because we gave up nothing and could get an asset for him during the deadline or whenever. The Sens got a 2nd round pick for him last season, if we get something similar, it would have been a great move to sign him by PG.

          • avatar_58 says:

            I honestly don’t see it. He’s not very good. I would rather watch Diaz/Emelin/Weber struggle and get better with practice than watch this guy fumble his way around the ice. He’s like the Picard of this season.

          • habs03 says:

            Oh I agree with you avatar_58 in rather have the young guys play, but if playing Campoli play a few more games and then have that turn into a 2-3 round pick I’d be all for it.

          • avatar_58 says:

            See the thing is – anyone could have had Campoli and they passed. Giving up a pick for him seems a little silly.

          • habs03 says:

            This is complete not true, 1: teams didn’t want him at the price he asking for, and he wanted so long that teams withdrew their offers. But that’s not even the point, teams have more cap space at the deadline, teams need to add depth for the playoffs, and injuries occur.

            Look at us, we gave up a 2nd round pick for Moore a few years back, and no one wanted to sign him that offseason, until FLA signed him in training camp. Sopel, Hawks forced the trasher to him along with Ladd of Buff ( can’t remember who), and at the deadline he turned into a 4th round pick.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        The guy was hurt, and coming to a new team, and we needed the depth on D, obviously. Let’s see how he is late in February before we give him either the “thumbs up” or “thumbs down” — and of course much will swing on whether or not some guy named “Markov” (like out of a Russian novel) actually exists.

  66. longbow says:

    Digging out from the snow ? What snow ? I’m in Terrasse Vaudreuil and there’s less snow on the ground this morning than there was yesterday !

    “A constant smirk upon the face, and a whiffing activity of the body, are strong indications of futility.” Lord Chesterfield

  67. adamkennelly says:

    we still need a 4th line made up of blank – Noki – blank…there is no use for Darche on this team and Blunden brings sweet FA…is our management not astute enough to find two guys who can skate and provide some toughness? Neil was inches away from injuring Pleks cause no one would stand up to him…its sad.

    • habs03 says:

      All Neil did was throw a hit that caught Pleck in the wrong spot. Now I’m not a fan of Darche and can’t wait until White is back so he sits, but Darche had 2 ast last night. Neil didn’t do anything to help his team win last night.

    • avatar_58 says:

      Maybe it’s me but Nokia is the weak point on that line, not Blunden. Darche also had 2 points, which game were you watching? Nokia can’t even win faceoffs anymore. Waive him and convince Metro to come back….(wishful thinking)

    • remi_10069 says:

      Are you referring to the famous blank twins, the toughest guys east of the mississippi? Would have been good if Plek got injured, one less goatied turtleneck wearing pansy to deal with. What’s really sad is everyone getting all excited after the habs won a guaranteed game. Ottawa is always willing to help their compatriots especially with their old #1 loser behind their bench.

      pipes

  68. Old Bald Bird says:

    Very nice piece by Scanlan, including the following for those who might not get to click. It seems to me like RC actually has a clue.

    “We want to play an exciting brand of hockey, we want to include our D in the rush when we have possession, but the last thing you can do is turn pucks over in those rush situations,” Cunneyworth said. “Sure enough, it’s going to be an odd-man (rush) going the other way. Take advantage of what you have and take care of the puck. I don’t think it’s that complicated.”

    “We’re trying to play that direct game,” Cunneyworth said. “The game is so fast now, there’s no room for drop passes and fancy east-west plays. It’s got to end up at the net, every rush. The last thing is you can’t get caught. That’s what we’re preaching.”

    Also, although I was flabbergasted by the Eller and PK sittings, at least with this guy I get the feeling that there will be some communication to go along with the benching. Rightly or wrongly, I didn’t trust the other guy in that situation: probably wrongly, but that’s what I felt.

  69. Bobcat Bob says:

    Bobcat Bob
    Yes, let’s put RC in that coaches poll to be fair.

  70. avatar_58 says:

    I really think that poll needs to be reposted with Cunneyworth as an option. This guy gets zero respect.

  71. habs03 says:

    Emelin position is improving more and more game by game, its going to mean less hits, but better overall play IMO.

  72. avatar_58 says:

    I disagree really. I love the playoffs, but what good is making it and dying early? Wouldn’t you rather have a young budding future star, one who can literally skip the AHL he’s so good? A seguin, hall or nugent hopkins? Or hell – even a top 10 that will end up on our first lines in a few years?

    Think about the miracle run with Halak. It seems like AGES ago given the current woes. People remember wins and rings, not “we almost had it”. How many people really care that Philly was “so close” not long ago? No one. Only their fans really remember that or give them credit.

    So whatever gets them closer to a cup is what I want. If that means a few high picks, so be it. Clearly the NHL rewards those who lose over those who stick with it

  73. Mattyleg says:

    Wooooaaaaahhhh!!
    I like this guy! ;)

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  74. habstrinifan says:

    Bi-polar? I aint no Dr. Recchi but I have always wondered which one of your DID (dissociative identity disorder) charcaters were you when you did what you did.

    Just pulling one of your many legs there hardhabits.

  75. LA Loyalist says:

    Sorry, isn’t it officially YotT ™ (Year of the Tank) — I’m fine with “Tanking (TM)” , just as it’s a hot topic we should keep it simple for sake of clarity.

    Follow up: did we ever clarify who legally owns JM’s notebooks? Are they ‘work product’?

    Want to wrap up the year end nicely.

    Go Habs. ™ Our traditional year end trip to Florida is traditionally a disaster, whatever team we are running. Hopefully this year will be a fresh start psychologically.

  76. JF says:

    HH – I feel the same way. However hopeless the playoff quest seems, I can’t abandon it, can’t stop cheering every time we inch our way closer. Logically, a finish near the bottom, a fire sale, and a high draft pick would be better for the team long-term, but I guess a fan has to cheer.

  77. Arrow77 says:

    One mistake many people make is thinking that finishing low necessarily means drafting good young players that will develop into future superstars. If it were true, the Blue Jackets, the Panthers and the Trashers/Jets wouldn’t be so bad year after year after year.

    You complain about not having a Seguin or a Nugent-Hopkins and I wish we had one of those but we did manage to get a Price, a Subban and a Pacioretty without tanking. Having many consecutive rough years could really hurt their development, especially Price since so much of the blame goes to the goalie after a loss.

  78. Hobie Hansen says:

    The “largest” issue, no pun intended, is he didn’t do much to address the size/toughness issue over the summer.

    I was listening to Dennis Potvin do the game on the Ottawa broadcast last night and he was saying it will be next to impossible to win (consistently) when you have 4 of your top 6 players, when healthy, under six feet tall.

    Also the defense is quite soft/small.

    He screwed up on the Markov situation and then handcuffed us even more by signing Kaberle for another 2 1/2 seasons. Adding him to the list of unmovable contracts that we already have.

  79. habs03 says:

    People don’t like him, for example everyone bashed him after the Halak trade, so ever move he makes, people look at it more a negative stand point. For example Wiz for a 2nd, people complained he gave up assets when he should have signed a UFA in the summer, when he signs someone like Campoli for insurance, people bash him for signing someone no one wanted.

    I think PG best move has been improving the scouting staff, he had some really good guys, in the sense that they came from teams that have been drafting well, like Ryan Jankowski who head of the drafting for the Islanders and ast GM there, and he basically outbid the Islanders and got him out of there.

  80. avatar_58 says:

    Right now the hate is squarely on the Markov deal, the reluctance to fire JM when better candidates were available, the lack of communication with outgoing UFAs (Wiz, Moore, etc) and the godawful Kaberle deal.

    Frankly – what Markov does or does not do this season is meaningless. Same goes for Kaberle. It’s what they do in the next few years that matters. Markov needs to play the next 2 years as a top d-man, or it’s been a massive waste of time waiting for him. Kaberle needs to do a helluva lot more than just the occasional breakout pass to justify that contract.

    If not for Cole he’d be hated completely this year.

  81. Because the Habs don’t win 82 straight games and then the Stanley Cup, they hate the management, and the players.

    Win and the fans keep their mouths shut….ala Last night’s post count.

    Those fans I like to call……bandwagon Trolls from Hell.

    Only post the bad and never the good.

    I have no problems with management. They brought in players to help this team when we needed it most. I thought they (Cammalleri, Gionta, and Gomez) would last longer than they have, and that’s not the GM’s problem. These guys are all in their early 30′s, and should be in the 50-65 point range and Cammalleri should still be averaging 30-40 goals/season. But they aren’t and no one person on the planet could predict that.

    Of course for the trolls. They (trolls) know how to manage because they are in the NHL and troll here for fun.

    I love it after a win. They (trolls) are so quiet…you can almost hear them praying for a Habs lose so they have an excuse to type something.

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  82. habsnyc says:

    there are several wrong statements in your post.

    no one hates PG. many people disagree with his decisions and feel the team would be better served with other leadership. hate is a strong word. i like the guy, i bet he is a terrific person. i do not want him as gm of this franchise.

    trading Halak was not “ballsy.” it was what every GM in every sport would do. the organization was committed to Price who is younger and more talented. there is a difference between a one time winning streak and long term upside. every scout and gm iin the nhl knows the difference between price and halak. local fans are emotional.

    a gm is not measured by the deals he does. that is stupid. the franchise made one or two trades from 1975-1979. a gm is measured by the window of opportunity he creates for his team to contend. a gm is supposed to figure out which year or years his team is most likely to do best and focus his energies on getting the best players for that year. montreal is not even close to contending right now. they lost in the first round last year, are out of the playoffs right now and have a tepid offense.
    the future is up in the air. the team has long term committments to older players past their prime or unable to play due to injury. it has no committment whatsoever to its younger players who offer the opprutnity to contend in the future.

    by the way you phrase your question, you can’t possibly evaluate PG because you do not understand his job.

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  83. New says:

    I don’t think hate is the right word in english. Fed up perhaps. PG wears it as the GM. He is the focus of the frustration. Some fans never let something like that go and Montreal has been terrible for “letting it go” since they managed to run Brisbois out of town. The poor guy could play a great game and get booed.

  84. PureGuava says:

    I think much of the hate stems from his close association to Bob Gainey.

    Many of Gainey’s moves have been epic failures.

    The good – Kovalev (Kovy for Balej…nuff said) My only regret is that he didn’t sign his for 2 when he signed the dwarfs and traded for Gomer….so Kovy should fall under Good and Bad .
    The bad – firing two coaches to prove you were right about a draft pick . He fired a friend and former teammate, and a future Stanley Cup winning coach to justify the Price pick. If all of our first round picks had the chances that Price was given under Gainey – the rest of the league would look like the Washington Generals playing against us. That’s not to say he was wrong, I just have never approved of his method.

    Now that may be an unfair summary of Gainey’s body of work, but Bob’s poor communication has really damaged the culture here.

    Gauthier has made some great moves, but the way he fired two coaches, and hired another were head-scratchers. Throw Kaberle on that pile as well.

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  85. HabFanSince72 says:

    Only in retrospect.

    Remember at that time we were looking like a playoff contender having been top team in the East the previous year. Tanguay might well have put us over the top.

    An interesting stat about Tanguay is that while healthy he was our top scorer. Would have had a 25g 70pt season if he’d played 82 games.

  86. longbow says:

    And Calgary wasted the pick on Greg Nemisz at 25th overall. At 26th and 27th were Tyler Ennis and John Carlson. Had a good look at Calgary’s draft history since the lockout and it’s really bad. They really need to review what they are doing in that department. They haven’t done themselves any favors.

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  87. habs03 says:

    Disagree with you in term of size, he signed Cole, traded Halak for Eller 6-2/Schultz 6-3. Brought over Emelin, traded up to draft Tinordi. Chose to go with White over Pyatt. Most of his moves have been bring in more size.

  88. Disagree with you, respectfully, on the size front as we did get bigger, although not necessarily tougher. Markov was, admittedly, a gamble, but there was an upside and so far it hasn’t panned out. I too think the price paid for Kaberle was horrible, especially since Rutherford admitted he would have given more if asked, just to shed the contract, but maybe PG thought he would turn out to be even better than MAB was, and Wiz was. Except for the first couple of games, not seeing it.

  89. ont fan says:

    You assume another GM will fix the size issue, it sounds like you want free agents. How many were out there this summer that weren’t pilons like BGL ..And what were you willing to pay for Neal…what Ottawa paid

  90. PureGuava says:

    I thought he was good with AK and Moen…and he was good with LL too – but there was nothing really ‘game-breaking’ about those pairings. This line could be deadly.

    2 years ago you would have not have found a bigger Halak fanboy than me….But I am completely satisfied in the player that we fetched for him.

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  91. I doubt very much RC will tinker with this lineup, or even the line combinations. Up to the players to perform, though. I have no problem with Campoli at all, but I if I was him I wouldn’t get my hopes up to play in Tampa.

  92. Hobie Hansen says:

    Desharnais, Gionta, Cammalleri, Plekanec and even Gomez make up too much of our offense and that makes us too small.

    And that line of Blunden, Nokelinen and Darche is not a line. There are and were plenty of “tough guys” out there this summer that could have formed a tougher and more talented line than that.

    Plus we don’t have one defenseman that will even blink at an opposing player or give them a long and challenging night in our end or in front of Price…

    Emelin is a start but far from a mean and nasty stay-at-home defenseman that won’t put up with crap. we should have a couple of those types of players back there.

  93. habs03 says:

    In regards to firing JM, how can you fire a guy that lead you to 6th in the East, and bad very well in the playoffs, missing a lot of key guys. And who are the suggested better candidates?

    In regards to communication to out going UFA, from what I’ve read, PG simply told them, Thank you, well give you a call if we have anything to offer. What else should be said if you don’t plan to keep them.

    In regards to Markov, that was a big risk, that has gone bad, I love Markov so I always think of him being back 100%, but if he doesnt, thats a big mistake.

    As for Kaberle, 4.25M for 2 more season, on a 64M cap, is not a big deal if Kaberle can keep playing like he has as Hab. So if he keeps it up, PG was able to get Kaberle for free.

  94. DorvalTony says:

    Add White to Blunden Nokelainen that’s a decent energy line.

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  95. habs03 says:

    Other than bring up DD, and Pleck, none of those guys were brought in since PG became GM, so its tough to say its all his fault. But the expected 4th line was Moen-Nokelinen-White, pretty solid and gritty if you ask me, but injuries happen.

  96. vegas says:

    do you think those 3 would be there if Gomez, Gionta and White were in the lineup?

  97. Hobie Hansen says:

    I’m not pointing the finger only at Gauthier….

    But when Gauthier finally gets canned, believe me, you will see this team become bigger and meaner at a faster rate.

    And yeah, White, Nokelanen and either Darche or Blunden would be OK….but I’d still like that true heavyweight on the 4th who can play the game as well….

  98. Hobie Hansen says:

    You’re right that it can’t all be addressed at once.

    when the Gomez, Gionta, Cammalleri and now Kaberle contracts expire in 2 1/2 seasons… That’s when I pray we have the right GM in place to acquire the proper UFAs and not team Smurf!~

    Plus all the players in the WJHC right now should be starting to make an impact.

    Tinordi can’t arrive any sooner!!!!

  99. habs03 says:

    @Hobie Hansen isn’t the right GM, the guy the traded up to get Tinrodi?

  100. Hobie Hansen says:

    Guys I agree that Gauthier is slowly making us bigger but what I’m saying is that there was plenty of opportunity to move things along a quicker pace this summer.

    There were plenty of big and tough 5th and 6th defensemen available this summer that he passed over as well as some scrappy players for the bottom lines.

    They would have given us more of an attitude, more muscle in front of price, more of a forecheck, created more space…

    We are a one-dimensional team that every team breaths a sigh of relief when the play us because there is zero concern of them having to deal with a rough and physical team…

    He could have done 10x better than Blunden, Campoli and Nokelanen….come on!

  101. HabFanSince72 says:

    Can’t blame Gionta, Plex, Cammy and Gomez on PG though.

    The point Habs03 made is that PG DID address the size issue.

  102. PureGuava says:

    I still have no idea why PG went out and got Kaberle when Campoli was coming back into the lineup. They’re similar players, with the same upside and downside, so why spend 4.5 a season + Spacek for Kaberle?

    I have nothing against either of them, but when you have Weber and Diaz – that are both younger and cheaper, and also play similar hockey to Camps and Kabby….it makes even less sense.

    I do think Montreal are going to be big sellers at the trade deadline.

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  103. avatar_58 says:

    “Keep playing like he has” – what do you mean? He’s been pretty terrible save for his first game. Am I not watching the same team? The guy is slow and soft as butter. He almost cost them a goal or two last night.

    Communication is one I’m getting tired of hearing about. UFAs seem confused by lack of contact, look at what Halak and Spack said about their trades as well. He couldn’t tell spacek where he was going? What kind of bushleague nonsense is that? Why didn’t he ask Wiz what he wanted before assuming he was too rich? Same goes for Moore – he doesn’t sign the guy yet signs another 3rd/4th line center to do the same job untested?

    I’m tired of seeing UFAs, who he traded picks for, walk for nothing. In my book you trade a pick you had better hold on or at least have a clear shot at the cup. Trading picks and getting nothing back is pointless and hurts the future. All the wasted Gainey and PG picks….christ.

    As fpr JM – are you serious? Plenty of us saw the writing in the preseason. The team has sucked all season so far, it wasn’t just a recent slide. If you plan on firing a guy anyway why put up a silly act? “I’m confident in our coach” oh are you buddy? So where is he now?

  104. habs03 says:

    Kaberle 5 points in 8 games, -2 in not bad for a number #4 D-men, plus he is playing with an experience D-men playing the off-side in Emelin.

    In regards to asking to outgoing UFA, PG was asked why he didn’t speak to Halak agent about a contact, PG said it was because he knew what his value was. It turned out to be true, seeing how PG got a former 1st and 3rd round pick for Halak, the same he would have got if Halak signed an offer sheet with any other team at 3.75per year. This shows that he probaly knew what Wiz would be asking for and didn’t want to go that route.

    As for the Spacek trade, I’m not sure how you see that as bush league, image the trade didn’t go through, how unprofessional would that be on PG part with other GM, how bad would the Canes GM look, with his team knowing someone was traded but it didn’t go through.

  105. avatar_58 says:

    That’s the MAB defence – get an assist to keep your +/- up, who cares if you make plenty of lapses and bad judgments right? Difference is MAB scored goals himself, Kaberle needs the forwards to bail him out lest his +/- fall into oblivion.

    I’m not going to bash the Halak trade, simply how it was handled. This franchise always talks about it’s “class” but this GM seems to show a lack of it when dealing with players he deems expendable. Why did he even mention a trade at all to Spacek if it wasn’t done? What other teams do this?

    Not to mention he has a real problem seeing the “I want to play here” intangible. Guys like Metro who work hard and enjoy wearing the CH. Do you really think Nokia gives a crap? I don’t see it. Wiz also loved playing here and offered up great offence. Now he’s stinking it up on a team he couldn’t care less about. Huh, imagine that? Maybe it’s me but I’ll take Wiz on my PP over Kaberle. Does Kaberle even know which jersey he puts on? I mean he’s switched teams so many times, he might forget.

  106. Arrow77 says:

    Your hate of Kaberle is very irrationnal.

    First of all, the sample of games is unbelievably small to judge the validity of a trade and calling the trade awful even though he’s put up numbers and even though the guy he was traded for was neither offensively gifted, defensively sound, or physically gifted is weird to say the least.

    Secondly, you need playmakers in your team, whether you prefer scorers or not. Like habs-fan-84 pointed out, our powerplay looks significantly better since he’s here. Who actually scores the goals is not relevant.

    Third, you realize that Wisniewski played for more teams than Kaberle, right? And Kaberle played for the Leafs for 12 seasons. Wiz never even got that close with any team.

    As for the “not physical/bad defensively” aspect, fair enough. But Kaberle fits a purpose. He’s a playmaking, puck-moving powerplay specialist and we need one of those.

  107. avatar_58 says:

    I don’t hate Kaberle, I hate that we *finally* ended the spacek contract (which was one year too long) and replaced it with one that is equally as bad. Why not just ride Spacek out and find someone in the off season? This trade was universally panned, do you really think you know better?

    Reality is Price, Subban and Pacioretty need signing. Long term. Kaberle and Gomez hurt the team’s chances of giving out contracts.

    This can all be avoided if they bury Gomez, but I don’t see it

  108. Arrow77 says:

    The trade was universally panned because people thought Kaberle wouldn’t produce, like when he was with Boston and Carolina. The same people that thought Boston made an awesome deal when they signed Kaberle in the first place.

    If Kaberle scores 5 points every 8 games and make the power play better, it wont be nearly as bad as the Spacek contract, which was spent on a player who brought nothing.

    As for Gomez, I don’t understand why people are seeing it as a problem beyond this year. The only way he is still counting in the salary cap of next season is if he’s not traded and is not sent in the minors, which is extremely unlikely at this point.

  109. Les Canayens says:

    Indeed. He was on fire at the beginning of the season. Then it was Robert Lang who became the team’s top pointer when he got his Archille’s tendon sliced. Bad luck season.

    “I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.”

  110. Un Canadien errant says:

    To say that “no one hates PG” is incorrect, based on the posts I read here. Sure some people agree with his decisions, and some give him the benefit of the doubt, but there’s a strident minority that launch personal attacks at him for his place of residence or his vegan diet, or his appearance. That’s hate.

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  111. Un Canadien errant says:

    To me, some of the personal attacks directed at Mr. Gauthier equate hate. I have no problem with people critiquing his decisions and management style, but some of the comments here go way past that and attack the man personally.

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  112. ont fan says:

    If the team doesn’t win consistantly, 25% of the the posters are going to complain bitterly. If they win nobody is going after Kaberle or PG’s deals. I was looking back on the 80′s and 90′s deals.I couldn’t see where they made much of a difference.

  113. avatar_58 says:

    negative = troll, positive = good fan?

    What about realism – that this current team is underachieving and probably won’t make any noise IF they make the playoffs? That we’re stuck with an ailing Markov, Kaberle and Gomez?

    Just because we don’t blindly cheer all that is the CH doesn’t make us trolls. The team stunk defensively last night, they got ahead on good bounces and kept at it. Had they been playing Boston or Philly that game would have gone very different after a period or two.

  114. avatar_58 says:

    People who launch personal attacks, on the GM, coach, players or fellow posters have no place in discussions. End of story.

    My personal motto is if you resort to shouting or personal insults you’ve already lost the debate.

  115. habsnyc says:

    i did not realize that people launched personal attacks against PG. that is entirely inappropriate. it is fine to express displeasure with his decisions as GM. i mean the team is in 12th place with a losing record and he unleashed a torrent of bad press for the franchise. but where he chooses to live and what he chooses to eat are not part of the discussion.

    Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  116. Un Canadien errant says:

    Please explain why it’s legitimate to ask why he lives in Vermont? People commute. I’m genuinely curious.

    I sense you’re being mirthful when you discuss his vegan diet, but there’s an undertone of seriousness. To me, his vegan diet implies a lot of self-discipline, analysis of the facts at hand and the strength to make a decision based on this analysis regardless of the popularity or convenience of this decision. These are qualities you’d want in a GM.

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  117. REB says:

    We also got McDonaugh….

  118. Clay says:

    you just said ‘never’ twice :)

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  119. avatar_58 says:

    Who even sees those jerseys? Are they advertising to the players?

  120. scavanau says:

    I can’t stand the advertisements on the boards. Now they’ve got those STUPID ones on the glass behind the nets.

    Maybe Gomez can adertise Rent-A-Wreck on his jersey?

  121. scavanau says:

    Can’t lie. I actually like the guy.


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