On the farm with Price, Chipchura

Interesting piece by John Kernaghan in today’s Hamilton Spectator on Carey Price and Kyle Chipchura.

64 Comments

  1. Vecs says:

    Definitely. I can’t think of any two other players that would take this with a better attitude. Two rookies with the mindset of veterans.

  2. idle says:

    I get it, so Melanson only started working with Price once he got to the Habs? Give me a break…

  3. FeverBoy says:

    Be positive fellow habs fans, this is the magic of our organization at work. dont get me wrong I like both these kids a lot. They both show some serious potential and great attitude. Chipchura is a warrior, and Price can be the next coming and im not sure if its the plan, but this is a very serious test and challange for the two. Itll show the true drive of these guys. Money down, they both will be back, fire in there eyes before the end of this season..

  4. Vincent is possible says:

    No It wasn’t an issue, but as you pointed out it was “early in the season”. Melanson hadn’t ruined him yet with his butterfly school of goaltending.

    Just a nother thought… If Brisbois was the Defense coach I’m sure it would take at least seven games to ruin guys like Komisarek and Markov too

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  5. Hot_Pie says:

    I really do hope Price learns to stop going on his knees so quickly. Hopefully he grows out of that reflex and soon. Glad he got the win though, that should get his confidence going.

  6. Jonnyboy says:

    Not that I am on either side. But that was early, the coaching wouldn’t have been as evident.

    I really want to watch some old highlights of when he was winning. I want to see if he went down as often as we did when he stated loosing.

  7. Chuck says:

    As a rule, The Bulldogs only sell the lower bowl tickets at Copps Coliseum. The best seats in the house are $25 plus tax, but there are a number of different discount options available: Family Packs, senior and student rates, etc.

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  8. Bill H says:

    Thanks for the update on the prospects. I’ve been wondering about Lahti. He is not scoring much. It would be nice if him and Valentenko both developed their games.

    So how much are good tickets to the game?

  9. calvee123 says:

    I was wondering why Price wasn’t getting any starts, for such a long span. It is no wonder he wasn’t sharp when he did play. Then again he was slowly falling off. I think he really needed to go to the farm and get games in and get sharp again. It will build his character and get his game back. I am glad that Huet has played reasonably well and allowed the Canadiens the chances to win each game he has played in.

  10. Shiloh says:

    I attended the game last night in Hamilton – a first for me as I live in Thunder Bay. Price was on his knees long before every shot got to him – it is now an automatic reflex action. This will hurt him big time if he doesn’t get rid of the habit soon.

    Janne Lahti can really skate – he could make it. Chipchura was good. D’Agostini was fast, but didn’t do much except score the winner in overtime. I think Valentenko has an upside – he could be a sleeper.

    Overall, too many of the Bulldogs are slow and Binghampton won most of the battles – even though the shots on goal favoured Hamilton heavily.

    Went out for dinner before the game and had a couple of beer at the game – whole cost including dinner, ticket and drinks was maybe $60. Great entertainment for a very reasonable price.

  11. Bill H says:

    Glad your getting the idea. Your opinions much of the time are not very well thought out and are promoting your own favouritism towards a particular player rather than hoping for the best for the team. You can be overwhelmingly negative, which can be tiresome after awhile. Maybe Price will lead the team into the playoffs, maybe he won’t. What’s important is that someone leads us into the playoffs.

    Both Chipchura and Price are showing great attitude which will serve them well in their careers. They are intent on making the most of their stay in Hamilton, rather than sulking and complaining.

  12. Chuck says:

    They started the year playing well. They were even ahead of us in the standings at one point.
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  13. JF says:

    The comments from Price and Chipchura show that they’re reacting to this move with the right attitude. They will work hard in Hamilton and come back as better players. I don’t think either sees this as a demotion, simply as a necessary part of their development. I’m sure they both have great NHL careers ahead.

  14. N.B.habs fan says:

    Thanks Suleman,you took the words right out off my mouth………..

  15. T-roy West says:

    I was thinking the same thing Sulemaan.

  16. Sulemaan says:

    When Price was playing well early in the season going 5-1-1 against tough teams (Pittsburgh, Ottawa, Toronto) was Melanson’s coaching an issue then. Just a thought…

  17. Jonnyboy says:

    From the guys point of view, obviously they aren’t happy getting demoted, its a demotion. No one is happy with that. However they know why they are getting it and they know that it will help them over the long run. They might hang their heads for the first little bit, but then they should work hard and they will be called back up after they get the ice time and practice they need.

  18. NEWFOUNDLAND DOG says:

    Ok. I’m wrong for stating my opinions which are always foolish right.

    Heaven forbid that anyone else makes foolish coments.

    YOU GUY ARE SPOT ON.

    I WILL LEAVE ALL THE COMMENTS FOR YOU HOCKEY EXPERTS.

    Maybe I will check back when Price leads the Habs into the Playoffs…

  19. Smart Dog says:

    It might take a game or two but these guys’ll do great down there and be back up soon. No bigeee. It’s a long year and a much longer career that’s still in its wee minutes with these two.

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    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  20. Habs_008 says:

    I think 20 is a good age to draft, But there are gonna be players like a Crosby or a Oveckin who are ready for the NHL at 18, if those players cant play in the NHL then they will go to Europe or the Russian league to make some money. The NHL will lose out on some great talent.

  21. 24 Cups says:

    Another reason the draft age was changed was due to the fact that some 18 and 19 year old players (and their parents, agents, and lawyers) were going to challenge the age restriction in court. I guess the whole issue was what constitutes a legal adult.

    The Original 24 Cups

  22. NEWFOUNDLAND DOG says:

    Well Cournoyer12 I don’t know who has the last say.

    If the Head coach tells the player to play a certain way. Then the players have to.

    Is it the same with the goaltending coach?

  23. Smart Dog says:

    It’s a partnership – especially with goalies there is some finesse involved. I think it’s fair to say the goalie has to try things the coaches way… at least try them.. .and the coach has to have the wisdom to see if something that might work, isn’t working, and of course to listen to what the player thinks. I don’t think Price is going to say “when I go down too quick they seem to score on me” and Rollie is going to say “don’t worry about that”

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    Be happy! At least the FUTURE looks bright!
    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  24. NEWFOUNDLAND DOG says:

    You are intitled to your opinion………

    So what The Bulldogs coach said was foolish right. Price did not look like the price of last year.

    Well because Rollie is ruining him. If you have a gift to play Hockey what works for you, you have to go with it….

  25. NEWFOUNDLAND DOG says:

    OK….

    Theodore is a one year wonder.

    Huet is still a backup….

    So tell me again what Rollie has done………. I can’t hear you.

  26. Smart Dog says:

    Hey MikeL… you’re totally right, but give it up. Might as well go talk to your dog.

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    Be happy! At least the FUTURE looks bright!
    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  27. Doctor Device says:

    What the Bulldogs coach actually said in the piece is that Price isn’t sharp because he hasn’t been playing, not because Roland Melanson has been coaching him badly. That’s the whole reason for sending Price to Hamilton, to get him in-game action that no amount of coaching is a substitute for.

    Melanson said, after Theodore was traded, that the problem with him was that he had loads of talent but didn’t want to put in the work in practice, especially when things were going wrong. You can lead a horse to water, etc. etc.

    Roland Melanson is a very respected goalie coach around the NHL, I have no worries at all about him being a part of Price’s development.

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  28. Habs_008 says:

    I agree Doc, let the other PHD’s hate all they want. I like Rollie, he is one of the best in the business. Price needs to play, thats all.

  29. The Teacher says:

    Ok Dog boy, Melanson has impeccable credentials. Bashing him won’t work. We all know he’s a great coach and would be sad to lose him. Use your intelligence, and don’t make whippersnappy comments.

  30. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Beauty Teach (right on with that one)…Rollie is doing a graet job in MTL. After 18 games he has ruined Price…please

  31. Jonnyboy says:

    Huet is still a backup?

    I would like to see you list the starters in the league then.
    In theory you would have 30 starters, then some other backups that are also better, unless you think Huet is the best backup in the league.

    I challenge you to name 40 goalies better than him.

  32. T-roy West says:

    Teacher: I replied to your comment to me last night. Did you ignore it or go to bed, because it was getting pretty late!

  33. The Teacher says:

    Sorry, what thread was it on? They should really make your comment history longer than the last 5 posts.

  34. T-roy West says:

    Yeah I know. You were talking to Newfoundland Dog in the above comments and below one of your comments Newfoundland Dod says “I agree with you” but he is talking to Cournoyer12. Sometimes the comments can get screwed up! The comment I replied to was last night about Lowe calling Regier to let him know his intentions of offering a contract to Penner. I said he did call and you said that he didn’t and you wondered were I got my information. I thought it was common knowledge!

  35. ebk says:

    Lowe called Regier, it is common knowledge. Regier mention it in his press conference when they annouced they were going to match and keep Vanek

    Lowe did not call Burke, it was one of the reason Burke was so pissed off at him. He mentioned that they were good friends and as such he thought he at least deserved a heads up

  36. T-roy West says:

    Last night when Teacher said to me ” were did you get your info”, you replied back ” I have no idea “. Why didn’t you tell him that Lowe did call Regier if you knew it was common knowledge?

  37. T-roy West says:

    EBK and Teacher: I will be back in a couple of hours and I will reply to your comments if you leave one. :)

  38. ebk says:

    You asked intially about RFA, I answered it. All the other stuff you mentioned about side deals etc, I have no idea. You want to speculate on it, feel free.

    Lowe talked to Regier, Lowe didn’t talk to Burke. Pretty sure that is how it came down. Don’t actually care enough to continue this conversation anymore than it has gone.

    Thanks and Have a Good Day

  39. The Teacher says:

    I thought it was common knowledge that they didn’t speak, as Burke was furious with and is still not speaking to Lowe for this very reason.

    BTW Penner was with Anaheim before, it was Vanek with Regier and Buffalo.

  40. The Teacher says:

    I knew Lowe didn’t call Burke, I know I said he didn’t call Regier either but truthfully I had no idea if he called him or not. I was mostly arguing from the “Lowe didn’t call Burke perspective”.

    What was the point of all this again?

  41. T-roy West says:

    My whole reason for the conversation was to see if there was a way for players and GM’s to get around this whole RFA thing. GM’s going after other teams RFA’s is now and is going to be the root of a lot of problems soon,i.e. long contracts, inflated salaries, etc. GM’s are going to have to recognize talent early and sign them long team. I was wondering if a player really liked where he was playing and he got offered a contract from another team, what options does he have? Can he say no to the contract? Could Vanek have said to Darcy ” Hey if you are willing to pay this amount of money (which we will assume is less than Edmonton), then I will stay because I like this team. I can’t believe that a team can lock a player up for so many years and the player doesn’t have a say in the matter, doesn’t make sense! My only beef with you teacher is that you said Lowe didn’t call Regier before hand, which he did, then you asked me were I got my information. You were being kinda arrogant, it seemed, and so I threw it back at you. Today you commented to someone about how their comments rubbing people the wrong way but you do the same thing, alot. I feel you constantly insult people with your negative one liners that are not constructive. In the end we are all Habs fans and mean well! I realize your educated and intelligent but I wish you wouldn’t tell people to show some intelligence because it rubs people the wrong way and makes you seem arrogant. I realize that I most likely insulted you and I don’t feel great about it but I had to explain myself, sorry! :)

  42. NEWFOUNDLAND DOG says:

    I agree with you..

  43. The Teacher says:

    Thank you for posting Dave.

    It is getting quite annoying listening to the same old story from some posters. Great moderating ;)

    Moey, you have it right with your comments on Price, he WAS so natural. Starting goalies don’t usually take too well to playing periodically either ;)

    Cournoyer12, you know I like you, but you’ve got to relax. We know you like Huet, and you think he’s right for us now. However, you must agree that we are grooming Price for either next year or the one after. We live in a cap world also. You have stated that we need a big center. Well we won’t get one AND keep Huet, as 3-4 good to getting great players are looming RFA’s.

    If you have no faith in Price, that’s fine also, but no need to keep on harping about it :)

    Newfoundland Dog, You do sometimes make good comments, but the way you approach your posting sometimes rubs people the wrong way. We also know you support Price, no need to keep harping about it also :) Many of us are as wrong on the site as we are right. Some of us are more right on occasion, and some of us are less. You’re not the only one here! I find your comments on Rollie really uninformative, as I think many others do here.

    There are many, and 99% of us are HABS fans :D Thankfully!

  44. Dave Stubbs says:

    I don’t share the opinion of those who say you’ve got to read between the lines of what Carey Price is saying. He’s 20 years old. He’s not that complex a guy … yet. He understands, and I’m sure he’s been told, that he’s this team’s goaltender of the future. He will do whatever the organization asks of him, and spending a little time in the AHL isn’t exactly like being shipped to the East Coast league.

    Price has a great attitude, he loves to work and he’ll learn more with every puck he faces, whether it has an NHL or AHL logo on it. People are making much too big a deal out of this. It’s not a nefarious plot; it’s a matter of using the NHL schedule to your advantage and of making a good goaltender better. With some work now, Price will be sharper for the stretch run to the NHL playoffs.

    Dave Stubbs

    Habs Inside/Out
    Sports Feature Writer, Montreal Gazette

     

  45. Moey says:

    Dave,

    Thank-you, you should post more often. Interesting read, I did notice how good Price’s puck tracking was at the beginning, it seemed so natural. He’ll be back, better than ever.

  46. Chuck says:

    From the Spectator article:

    “Asked if would have preferred to stay in Montreal and work with goaltending coach Rollie Melanson, as he told reporters in Montreal Tuesday, he said: “I think I agree with their decision that I needed to get more playing time here. It was tough sitting, getting thrown in and not playing well, then sitting again.”

    Because Carey made that quote in Montreal, I took the phrase “I needed to get more playing time here” to mean more playing time in Montreal, and thus that he would prefer to work through any problems with the big club. Then again, it wouldn’t be the first time that I’ve misunderstood someone!
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  47. Ian G Cobb says:

    Great that both teams are realy one, takes wonderful management, which we have ! Patients and development is the way to the cup !

  48. N.B.habs fan says:

    Great comment Dave ,some of these guy just like to complain ALL the time.Maybe they should be a laffs fan than they can really have something to whine about…

  49. N.B.habs fan says:

    Great artical ,sure is nice to have so much info,on our Habs

  50. NEWFOUNDLAND DOG says:

    Who’s Gorilla Guy Teach?

  51. The Teacher says:

    Edited before you posted this ;)

    I couldn’t remember your name so I posted what I remembered most about your picture. I hope you can forgive my mistake :)

    I thought I made a well thought out post, was that your only response?

  52. NEWFOUNDLAND DOG says:

    No.

    I agree with you Teach. I get so fustrated some times….

    My fur gets in my mouth……………..

  53. The Teacher says:

    Haha, No you can’t forgive my mistake? :P

  54. NEWFOUNDLAND DOG says:

    Yes. I forgive you. Now come and let me give you some big sloppy Kisses.

  55. The Teacher says:

    Awww, Habs love. Doesn’t it make you all dewy-eyed.

  56. NEWFOUNDLAND DOG says:

    Yes.

    It would bring a tear to a glass eye.

  57. Chuck says:

    Well, as long as you’re not sniffing each others behinds…
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  58. Habs_008 says:

    Great Character players, they will be Habs for sometime, they need to develop more, Its a good thing that he is in the minors getting his game back.(both of them) Price and Chips will be back soon enough with some confidence.

  59. NEWFOUNDLAND DOG says:

    SEE…. SEE………SEEEEEEEEEEE

    With out actually comming out and saying it (which he can’t)Price would rather be in Hamilton rather than work with Rollie.

    The Bulldog coach said that Price was not as sharpe as he used to be.

    THOSE COMMENTs SAYS IT ALL….

    “ROLLIE IS RUINING PRICE’S DEVELOPEMENT”.

    Price had better form and played better before Rollie got his hands on him……

  60. CH1909-2009 says:

    On relax un peu, he has a flu

    GO HABS GO

  61. Chuck says:

    He was definitely being diplomatic and saying the right things about the move to Hamilton. Read between the lines: he definitely would rather be in Montreal getting more work instead of preferring to be in Hamilton.
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  62. MikeL says:

    That’s just a stupid comment Newfie. Rollie has made mediocre goalies into legitimate starters in Montreal. Look at Huet…He was little more than a backup. Theodore was transformed into a Hart trophy winner. Montreal is known to get goalies that were nothing and make them something, and I think Rollie is a big part of that. Saying he is ruining Price is just ludicrous.

  63. Smart Dog says:

    The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!

    Rollie’s not ruining Price. If it takes a village to raise a child, it takes at least a couple of people to shape a star athlete. Rollie has helped some great goalies and he has things to teach Price. Price is smart enough for himself to figure out what’s working, and it takes time when you’re focusing on part of your game to get it in place and put it all back together. Time and a little patience.

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    Be happy! At least the FUTURE looks bright!
    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  64. 24 Cups says:

    They say that the only thing in life that you have control over is your own personal attitude. If so, then these two guys are in good shape.

    Years ago the draft was for 20 year old players, now it is for 18 year old kids. The odd player makes the jump right away, but for most it’s a learning curve that takes into account many lessons, both on and off the ice. How many young promising kids were ruined because they weren’t developed properly? Gainey strikes me as being a very insightful and patient man. I’m sure he will give both these players what they need in order to develop into full fledged NHLers.

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