No shortage of news from draft

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The NHL draft is far from over, with round 2-7 going Saturday. The first round went Friday night, with the Canadiens selecting defenceman Nathan Beaulieu from the QMJHL’s Saint John Sea Dogs.

Here’s a look at some of the new surrounding the draft:

Pat Hickey’s draft report from Minnesota

Daily Hab-it: Was Beaulieu too good to pass up?

Dave Stubbs on Markov’s meeting with the Montreal media

Markov’s signing answers questions about Canadiens defence: Hickey

Draft roundup from Faceoff.com

Muller interests several teams for AHL head-coaching job: La Presse

Why Pierre Gauthier chose another defenceman: Bleacher Report

Trade tracker from NHL draft: ESPN

215 Comments

  1. cuzzie says:

    Sorry all you experts. You pick the best available. You build your assets. Future needs of your team could be answered by stockpiling prospects no matter size or position. It’s a commodity. The more I have, the stronger my position. So relax and Chill Out!

    • savethepuck says:

      Agreed 100%

      “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

  2. SeriousFan09 says:

    Darren Dietz, another D. Granted over 6′ and a “Good Western Canadian Boy” but really, is Timmins that much in love with the O-ceiling of the Forwards we’ve already drafted? I wouldn’t bet on Leblanc, Kristo, Avtsin, Gallagher being all we need in the future.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  3. AK_PK_Usay says:

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdetail.htm?csid=7FRPRX

    why the [edit] couldnt we pick him with any of our 4th round picks!

    Seems as good of a gamble as any…

  4. TorontoHabsFan says:

    One thing I’ll never understand about hockey – that 5’11″ is “small” but 6’0″ is “big”…

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      It’s a very mental thing, the number of men you will meet in your life who are 5’11″ but insist they’re 6′ is quite astounding.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        Maybe it’s ’cause I’m 6’3″ but honestly, I cannot tell the difference between 5’11″ and 6’0″ at all. It’s essentially the same height. It’s just weird how such a huge distinction is made between 1″…when as far as I can see, if you are either you are pretty much “average”.

        (heh – my old man used to insist that he wasn’t 5’10″ but rather 5’10″ and 3/4s :D)

        • savethepuck says:

          people on here make the same statements regarding 198 lbs and 202 lbs. The 202 lber is a keepper but 198 is a smurf

          “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Usually because the guys who claim to be 5’11″ are really 5’9 1/2″, and the guys who say they’re 6′ are 5’11″. So yes, 6 feet is bigger.

      ———————————
      Let’s do something like this again: 1) Petr Svoboda 1) Shayne Corson 2) Stephane Richer 3) Patrick Roy

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  5. AK_PK_Usay says:

    After the 2nd round, its just playing the loto…
    We got a great 1st round, who really cares about the rest, ohh and PK was a steal in the 2nd round…

    Id rather our 1st round materializes as a true nhl talent, than having 5 4th liners from our later picks.

  6. Former Jets Fan says:

    From hockeysfuture :

    Talent Analysis

    A combination of speed and skill, Archambault is a water bug on the ice, always moving and always looking to get involved offensively. A playmaker with an excellent shot and great scoring instincts, he lacks the size and strength to fight through checks, but has too much raw offensive talent to be ignored. Needs to round out his game.

    Another evaluation :

    For what Olivier Archambault lacks defensively, he more than makes up for with his raw offensive talent. He was outstanding in midget AAA, where he racked up 49 points (16G,33A) in 45 games with his College Esther Blondin club and absolutely dominated the 2009 Telus Cup. All the more reason the Val-d’Or Foreurs selected the youngster first overall in last years QMJHL Draft. In his first campaign with the Foreurs, Archambault showed flashes of what is to come, scoring 27 points (12G,15A) 58 games. Where the 17-year-old really stood out however, was at this years World Under-17 Hockey Challenge, where he put up 3 goals and 7 points with Team Quebec in 5 tournament games. Though he is not overly big, the 5-foot-10, 165-pound left winger is superb at protecting the puck, is an excellant skater, has a hard, accurate shot, to go with exceptional playmaking abilities and hockey sense. He is already projected to be a high pick in the 2011 NHL Entry Draft by numerous scouts. The sky is the limit for Archambault and all his untapped potential, as he will be looked upon to carry the offensive load for Val-d’Or in the next few seasons.

  7. Mattyleg says:

    Okay, hold on, hold on…
    I’m confused.
    Did we get a pick in the 3rd round? On TSN’s tracker, we have nothing.
    And RDS’s isn’t up to date.
    Anywhere I can follow it live without having to (shudder) watch it?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  8. SeriousFan09 says:

    Magnus Nygren, 6’1 D, overager from Sweden.

    Becoming less impressed with Trevor Timmins draft list for 2011 by the minute. This is not moving Forward for MTL IMO.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • TorontoHabsFan says:

      Better to be pleasantly surprised than bitterly disappointed…Timmins et al have earned some leeway as far as lower round picks are concerned :D

  9. HabinBurlington says:

    Brendan Shanahan is expected to announce shortly after the draft, that in an effort to reduce headshots and slow the play down, all teams must play 3 defencemen on the ice at all times.

  10. Newf_Habster says:

    Sighs….

    Another defenseman… from Sweden

  11. eric says:

    olivier archambeault lw …5’11

  12. Newf_Habster says:

    It is about freaking time that we drafted a forward from QJMHL but he got no size!

  13. HabinBurlington says:

    Okay, we got a forward Serious, please provide your usual insight.
    Olivier Archembault

  14. Viruk42 says:

    From http://www.thescoutingreport.org/cedar-rapids-roughriders/ as of October 2010

    Josiah Didier | D | 6’2” | 200lbs. | 4/8/93

    At this point, Didier does not look like a sure-fire NHL draft pick. However, he brings enough to the table to merit a close watch. He has a perfect frame with long arms and legs and covers so much ice with his body. He has very strong skating techniques and moves well laterally as well as getting from point A to point B to retrieve loose pucks. Didier is very strong on the puck and saw tons of PK duty on the Cedar Rapids blueline. He reads the play well and puts himself in the right spots. Didier has a long reach and poke checks pucks with ease. The question marks in his game are his offensive skills. He’s very composed and patient with the puck and clearly looks to move it quickly. His pro prospects will be determined on how much more he can enhance those skills at Denver University. It will also be interesting to see how he progresses during the season. I’ll be getting another live look in March.

  15. SeriousFan09 says:

    Better be Fs taken with the next two 4ths, honestly we need some O talent even if it’s small or sleeper stuff, or borth.

    Corey Pronman of Puck Prospectus says one scout he talked to thinks of Josiah Didier as a potential sleeper, not much O upside but very mobile and defensively responsible. I never heard of the guy before today. Marc-Antoine Godin tweets he is committed to the University of Denver.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  16. TorontoHabsFan says:

    And with that, the Josiah Era in Montreal has begun!

  17. AK_PK_Usay says:

    Another Dmen? What about some gambling for a powerforward hidden gem…

    We still made a steal this draft, so i cant say i really care at this point.

  18. ProHabs says:

    Why didn’t the Habs take a chance on Filatov. He could easily be our top 6 forward that we need to play with Pleks and Cammi. Ottawa got him for nothing. Damn.

    • TorontoHabsFan says:

      I’m guessing it has something to do with his cap hit being $2.1m and Montreal being a bit of a graveyard for “problem child” type players.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      He may have been the one player who would have brought emotion out of JM, physically ripping his hair out while watching Filatov refuse to backcheck! Talented no doubt. So COlumbus trades for Carter for immediate help then trades immediate talent for a 3rd round pick….

      • ProHabs says:

        Ha. You got to take a chance on guys like that if the price is low. Even if Benny Pouliot doesnt’ work out in MOntreal, I am still glad the organziation took a chance on him. Lots of potential, chance of a high reward. Filatov might be a bust but also might be a superstar
        I guess with Jacques Martin and the defensive system, you need more and more and more defenceman.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I think JM dressed up as Timmins for the weekend… just kidding, I really like our 1st round pickup. Hopefully this coming season, we don’t have the injuries that force us to spend our 2nd round picks.

  19. eric says:

    josh didier d-man ushl

  20. HabFanSince72 says:

    Here’s an idea.

    We have in Trevor Timmins the best evaluator of talent in the NHL.

    On the other hand we have just about the worst track record of any team in nurturing young talent.

    The solution? Sell Timmins’ knowledge to incomepetent teams like Winnipeg or Columbus. Say we’ll give you our entire 2011 evaluations for Derick Brassard or Andrew Ladd. (Toronto could use our help too but they are too proud.)

    Good idea isn’t it?

  21. Newf_Habster says:

    WTF!

    Another defenseman?!?!?!?!

  22. HardHabits says:

    Haha. There’s a poll already on NHL.com asking:

    Which late first-round pick can make the NHL jump next year?
    Joel Armia (BUF): 23.66 %
    Nathan Beaulieu (MTL): 22.37 %
    Stefan Noesen (OTT): 9.80 %
    Tyler Biggs (TOR): 28.35 %
    Zack Phillips (MIN): 15.82 %

    The poll results are less interesting than the fact that Beaulieu is being considered as potentially NHL ready as early as next season.

    • AK_PK_Usay says:

      I wouldnt be surprised he’s that good, he is ranked top 10 prospects…

      BUT, would be stupid to rush him, didnt we sign Gill and have Spacek, so our future can get practice…

  23. HabinBurlington says:

    So in TSN’s mock draft Pierre “I am a GM in waiting, the KHL just hasn’t discovered me yet” McGuire had Montreal taking Saad with the 17th overall pick. He was picked 43rd overall by Chicago. Oh Pierre we so effed up Gainey wouldn’t interview you, we already had people to open and close our bench gate during games. Maybe if we sign Jagr we can consider you, he said you opened and closed very well.

  24. HabFanSince72 says:

    How useful are draft picks for us?

    On the one hand we have in Timmins one of the best evaluators of young talent.

    On the other hand we have probably the worst track record of any team in nurturing that young talent.

    The solution? We sell Timmins’ advice to other teams. We go to Winnipeg or Columbus, or some other incompetent franchise (Toronto too but Burke would be too proud) and say: we’ll give you our entire draft evaluation for 2011 in exchange for say Andrew Ladd or Derrick Brassard.

    Good idea isn’t it?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Like your thinking, but perhaps we remind the Jets that Ryan White is from Manitoba and would be great for PR and that we are willing to accept Ladd in return.

  25. HabinBurlington says:

    so 17.5 million 5 yrs tanguay in calgary, i guess they are on verge of winning cup.

  26. eric says:

    bruins gonna be a powerhouse for years

  27. Un Canadien errant says:

    Trading down for more picks, why not. We need bodies. We’re not one or two players away.

    Last year we picked up Gallagher in the fifth round , so maybe we can find a few gems this way.

    ———————————
    Let’s do something like this again: 1) Petr Svoboda 1) Shayne Corson 2) Stephane Richer 3) Patrick Roy

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • AK_PK_Usay says:

      Looks good to me, after the 2nd round its all iffy, so if the guys you were scouting are still available, who cares if you get them 3rd 4th 5th round…

      when all think alike, no one is thinking very much

  28. Mike D says:

    Can’t help but wonder who the Habs actually had designs on for their 1st round pick? I can only assume they picked Beaulieu because he was expected to be drafted already and somehow fell to us at 17th. Not a bad thing of course and I’m excited with the choice, though I admit at first I was a bit surprised/disappointed because it seems we have so many quality Dmen in our system, that it seemed partially redundant to get another. Not a knock on Nathan at all so please don;t think I’m against the choice. Just curious about who they would have taken.

    I assumed PG was targetting a bigger forward and I guess it would all depend on who got ‘bumped’ had Beaulieu been taken where he was slotted to go. That Armia kid looks real good and the fact he was taken just one spot before our pick hurts a bit as I thought he would have gone a bit sooner putting him realistically out of our reach. McNeil, Jensen, Miller, Puempel (who I was kinda hoping for before the draft started), Danault, Jurco, Jenner, and Phillips were all interesting options.

    Before anybody flames me, I do realize that none of these guys were expected to make the Habs right away and therefore not able to immediately fill the big top-6 winger role we seem to need.

    - Honestly yours

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I have a theory. They’re looking at a group of players, all equivalent in their draft value, all ranked 10-20, none much superior to any other. They might have even been thinking of trading down, when this blue-chip prospect falls in their lap.

      Kind of like when you’re thinking you might call Maxine and ask her out on Friday night, but maybe not, money’s kind of tight these days, when out of the blue Natasha phones you. Forget about Maxine. Maxine who?

      ———————————
      Let’s do something like this again: 1) Petr Svoboda 1) Shayne Corson 2) Stephane Richer 3) Patrick Roy

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  29. HardHabits says:

    What happened? Did Montreal trade their 3rd pick for two 4ths?

  30. christophor says:

    Though it matters little no anyone here, I’m sleeping easy with that #17 pick. …Well, other than those moments when my easy sleeping is interrupted by terrifying nightmares of Burke sending Dougie Hamilton to Boston and of Couturier slipping on that bright orange colour I don’t like. At 8th overall, I was sincerely hoping PG would send a package Philly’s way for that boy. There’s little I wouldn’t have given (Eller, Tinordi, #17, and some)

  31. eric says:

    habs trade 3 round pick to the jets. Not sure for who

  32. habsfansince91 says:

    did montreal trade the 78th pick?

  33. SeriousFan09 says:

    Montreal deals 78th overall for 97th, 108th overall in the draft. They will now select 3 times in the 4th round.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  34. Bugs says:

    I heard Pick 78 was crap anyway…

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  35. Un Canadien errant says:

    Does anyone have a link to a proper Draft Tracker page?

    NHL.com only has the players selected, not the team. I think I looked everywhere.

    ———————————
    Let’s do something like this again: 1) Petr Svoboda 1) Shayne Corson 2) Stephane Richer 3) Patrick Roy

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  36. scrowe21 says:

    PG Take Seth Ambroz!

  37. Montreal1993 says:

    Sure we might be missing a 2nd round pick in this years draft, but we also received Michael Bournival via colorado this past season, so thats your 2nd round pick.

  38. RGM says:

    Has the non-Montreal media been able to identify the guy standing with Timmins & Beaulieu yet?

    During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

  39. SmartDog says:

    PG made the right pick. Sure we need more big forwards and could’ve grabbed one, but this kid looks dynamite. And premiere defensemen are rare. Witness the San Jose trade yesterday and you can see that if we don’t need this kid down the road, he could be a hugely valuable trading commodity. So I’m all for the pick.

    BUT… PG would’ve shown he’s awake and in business if he coulda got us a decent 2nd round pick for SOMETHING. Our cupboard is getting damn bare in guys that can put the puck in the net. We need to pick up some big kids… can’t see where we’re gonna get ‘em.

  40. eric says:

    No deals for the habs to get a second round pick. On to round 3

  41. Talik Sanis says:

    Detroit has had an impressive second round, drafting Tomas Jurco, Ryan Sproul and Xavier Ouellet. That is a very good haul for a team without a first round pick.

  42. Newf_Habster says:

    The philosophy about drafting the best player available is always not workable. We had done it in the past and sometimes it did not work out well for us and them.

    I am not saying that Beaulieu is not a good or bad pick. We should look inside our organization and ah we got many good young defensemen who will play in NHL level in two or three years, in our system. What we are lacking in the organization is power forwards obviously, so that was why we should went after Ty Biggs or another one in the first round last night.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Biggs isn’t a Pacioretty or Ryan. He’s a lot closer to a Colby Armstrong, a mucker who might score 20G on his best season, poor hockey sense and a lack of GS talent and you can NOT teach scoring ability.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • ed lopaz says:

        you really believe that a player with POOR HOCKEY SENSE would be names CAPTAIN of the U.S Under 18 team??

        Do you know what it takes to make the U18 USA team these days?

        Do you think the coaches and management of that team, one of the best development teams in the world would make such a huge blunder by selecting a player with poor hockey sense as their leader??

        Serious, take what you read from the scouts with a HUGE GRAIN OF SALT please.

        You should have been reading what the scouts were saying about Mario Lemieux?

        Many of the scouts are idiots who never made anything of their hockey careers.

        Poor Hockey Sense – Not possible.

        Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Hockey sense playing Under-18 and hockey sense in the NHL are different things Ed. This is about projectable ceilings and scouts aren’t sure he’s got the headgame to read play at the NHL level or the reaction time for bad scenarios.

          Shawn Belle went 1st-round in the 2003 Entry Draft because of his physical tools, played U18 and two WJCs. He’s still plying his trade in the AHL because I’ve seen him play and he just doesn’t react very quickly when things start developing and he has to make a move.

          - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • ed lopaz says:

            these are the same people who LOVED Tinordi 2 seasons ago.

            so maybe the U18 USA developemnt team captain deserves a little respect.

            poor hockey sense is one of the worst insults that can be thrown at a prospect.

            its b.s.

            this kid is a predator, he is a physical, tough forechecker, and a leader of one of the great development programs in the world.

            total b.s.

            playing defence is a cerebral position – playing as an attacking forechecker that hits everything that moves, is a completely different animal.

            Biggs plays hockey like a free safety or a linebacker.

            here’s ONE SCOUTING REPORT I just found in 30 seconds
            http://www.mockdraftmania.com/20110622-tyler-biggs-scouting-report/

            check out what they say about his HOCEKY IQ

            Name: Tyler Biggs
            Age: 18 Years Old
            Country: USA
            League: USHL
            Team: US National Developmental Team
            Position: Right Wing
            Number: #44
            Pros
            Physical Ability: Has great upper body strength and will deliver a tenacious bone crushing hit.
            Shooting Power: Has Ovechkin like shooting power as a sniper.
            Durability: Biggs rarely gets injured.
            Size: Biggs is 6 foot 2 210 pounds.
            Hockey IQ: Biggs has an outstanding hockey IQ and learned a lot from his dad Don Biggs.
            Awareness: Great field vision when it comes to offensive awareness with Biggs and Biggs has the skill set of a player with top notch defensive awareness. Biggs can body check, fight, block shots, or use his stick to check. Biggs plays with a very aggressive nature on the ice.

            Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Ed, I’ve read he has poor scoring talent, no natural finish which means he’s got a lot more in common with Travis Moen, Colby Armstrong or Shawn Thornton than a Lucic, Ryan or Pacioretty.

            Corey Pronman of Puck Prospectus said the exact opposite about his hockey smarts to the point where he held him at 78th on his rankings. Future Considerations says he was weak hands and creativity, The Scouting Report said his scoring talent was not going to be very good either.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

        • habsfansince91 says:

          Chipchura was captain of Canada in the WJC. How many NHL goals does he have? Being captain doesn’t mean you’re the most talanted forward on the ice.

    • scrowe21 says:

      Biggs is a waste of a first round pick.. I was hoping for a forward with some scoring ability and size.. but Beaulieu seems to have the talent to become a good offensive d man.

    • Stuck_in_To. says:

      I see it as talent or assets being potential. Development potential, trade potential. If our defensive depth is something we can parlay into a big forward, so be it.

      Drafting to fill specific needs is way more of a gamble than drafting the best player available. I am not saying the latter is foolproof but the hope is it will provide flexibility.

  43. Hobie Hansen says:

    Things could sure get interesting in Montreal 2 or 3 years down the road when guys like Tinordi and Beaulieu begin to make full-time appearances with the Habs. Tinordi is 6’7” and I’m hoping he turns into a sour guy to play against like Derrian Hatcher was. And with what I’ve briefly read about Beaulieu, he skates well, likes to hit and fight and is also quite capable on offence.

    Our current defence is good at keeping the puck out of the back of the net and that’s most important but they’re not overly tough. Subban throws some sensational hits but many teams have free reign to get to the front of the Canadiens net and stir things up before and after the whistle. We really don’t have an answer back there for the big and physical forwards because a guy like Gill is good at pushing guys to the outside but he’s anything but tough.

    I’m hoping that in few years from now that other clubs will be scarred to cross the blue line cuz they’ll be worried about getting drilled by Yemelin, Tinordi or Beaulieu! And if the games get rough, big 6’7” Tinordi will put an end to things real quick!

    We can’t change our team into a tougher team overnight but I like what Gauthier has done in the 1st round the last two years for sure! He knows what the most import issue (toughness) is with the club but he’s not making any kneejerk trades, which I like!

    “I had the idea that I should beat up every player I tangled with, and nothing ever convinced me it wasn’t a good idea.”
    Ted Lindsay

  44. SeriousFan09 says:

    Columbus never fails to disappoint with asset management. Just sent their top-ranked O prospect after Ryan Johansen in Nikita Filatov for a 3rd-round pick to OTT.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • TorontoHabsFan says:

      Don’t know what he did to fall so out of favour in Columbus, but he seems to be their version of S. Kostitsyn. Looks like a pretty good risk for Ottawa to take.

      Filatov has a huge caphit, no?

  45. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Gomez to the Coyotes? Please make it so PG.

  46. SeriousFan09 says:

    Habs prospects now able to play in 12-13 for Hamilton…

    Danny Kristo, Morgan Ellis, Nathan Beaulieu, Greg Pateryn, Brendan Gallagher, Jarred Tinordi, Michael Bournival, that team is going to be ridiculously young in 12-13, especially with Leblanc, Nattinen, Avtsin also quite probably being there as well to start the year.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  47. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Dreger is reporting that Calgary is working on a FIVE year extension for Tanguay for $17m.

    Holy Jumpin’s!!

    I liked the guy to come back, but for 2 years tops. And maybe at $2.5m/yr.

    Maybe Gagne will still be available come July 1st?

    • 24 Cups says:

      That’s nuts. Calgary has become a laughing stock, regardless of who is in charge.

      Guys like Tanguay only play well when their job is on the line.

      Take a good look at Calgary’s top six forwards in terms of their production and inflated salaries.

      Bring in Gagne for one year and then get a checking centre. End of story.

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        What’s amazing to me is that Tanguay is still only 31. It feels like he’s been in the league forever.

        I don’t know what’s going on in Calgary, but 5 years seems like 2 years too many.

        I know you’ve been on the Gagne Train for a while now – still thinking the same or is there any other UFAs to catch your fancy?

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Not sure if we can call it an extension? Tanguay is a free agent July 1, this would be a new contract.

      I would have liked Tanguay as well, but I think the auction is over when it hits that level.

      Gagne might be cheaper, and is a bit more of a fit too, more of a goal scorer as opposed to a passer, which we have a few of.

      ———————————
      Let’s do something like this again: 1) Petr Svoboda 1) Shayne Corson 2) Stephane Richer 3) Patrick Roy

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  48. JayBee says:

    I like the pick… You can never have too many good D-men. He was the BPA, and that’s how I think you should draft.

    Now, just wish we had a 2nd so we could grab a big forward…but Timmins does some of his best work in the later rounds. Guess we’ll see.

  49. 24 Cups says:

    For those who care, here’s the link for the on-going results of the 2nd round.

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftsearch.htm?year=2011&round=2&navid=mod-rr-headlines

  50. Habs fan in SF says:

    is nathan beaulieu a better pick than mark mcneill? before everyone jumps down my throat, i know about picking the best available player, etc. but we need size up front!

  51. Bill says:

    Having slept on it, you can still put me down as one who thinks the Habs couldn’t have done any better with that pick.

    I still see a few complaints that Beaulieu isn’t “the player they need”: actually, he’s the kind of player every team needs.

    I know, I know, everyone thinks the Habs need a big, mean forward who can score goals and punch faces. Well guess what? You still don’t get points for winning fights, and there was no-one they could have drafted who would be ready to do that for the Habs anytime soon anyhow. That’s why you don’t draft according to immediate team needs, obviously.

    Beaulieu, like any pick, is a gamble and a project, but I’d say he’s as sure a thing as anyone who was drafted after Larsson last night.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  52. SmartDog says:

    Damn. The Panthers picked up Campbell and his $7 million contract. This means they’re no longer so desperate as to consider Gomez. I mean, it’s hard to turn down a 7-goal a year “first line center”… dang.

  53. samTHEman says:

    I’m lovin the way the D is shaping up for the future.

    Subban, Tinordi, Emelin, Nash, Beaulieu….all steps in the right direction although Tinordi and Beaulieu might be a few years away from prime time. Grit, size, muscle.

    Also Diaz, but don’t know anything about his game.

  54. in habs we trust says:

    “R” Habs

  55. deuce6 says:

    Love the fact that Burkie traded up and nabbed another cave man type of player..Here’s a hint, dummy…Your team seriously needs a playmaking center in its system..Way to insulate Kessel.

    ——————

    Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

  56. HardHabits says:

    Wisniewski can thank the Habs in a sense because his value went up by playing in Montreal, much more than it would have had he stayed with the Islanders all year. The Habs would be well compensated in getting something back for his negotiating rights considering.

    The Beaulieu drafting makes signing Wisniewski unnecessary. Beaulieu is like a bigger, meaner, faster, younger, less expensive, more skilled and defensibly responsible Wisniewski.

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    Montreal’s back end looks set for the next few years. Looks like the Habs have also gone from drafting puck moving defensemen to drafting gritty, physical puck moving defensemen.

    Now let’s see if the Habs can shift from drafting two-way forwards to drafting two-way forwards with a knack for the net.

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    It’s time the Habs grab a 30-40 goal scorer at the draft.

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    Yep. That’s the new NHL. Nobody says draft a 50 goal scorer any more, I couldn’t even say 40 goal scorer without recanting. Not realistically at any rate. And to think. The new NHL was supposed to be about more scoring.

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    I have an idea. Add a new dimension to the game. Headshots can be worth a point. Have the outcomes of fights and after the whistle scrums count towards the games final tally. Make sure that these points are awarded by rink side judges as is done in boxing, diving competitions and figure skating. The bigger the hit the better. More points for a cracked vertebrae or a concussion. Make diving points count too, but negatively. Come to think of it. This system is already in place. Never mind.

    • samTHEman says:

      LMAO @ the last part. The bruins perfected that system this year and they have the cup to show for it. Bastahds…

    • Former Jets Fan says:

      I nodded along from start to finish. Nice content and layout.

      I hope Gauthier can turn Wizniewski’s negotiating rights into a pick. That would make the trade with the Isles a clear win.

  57. habstrinifan says:

    This being draft time and UFA ETC TIME, I am going to copy and repost a posting from NOVAHAB from yesterday’s draft thread.

    I think this is how EVERYONE in habsland should be thinking. Like Novahab, I am fed up of the DISDAIN being shown the HABS throughout the hockey world.

    We are the Mtl Canadiens damn it! Let’s go kick some butts this year and show them. I dont think it’s pure luck that we have Subban and Price and Max Pac and Elller and Yemelin in the line-up NOW. What a group of ready to rock-and-roll youngsters. Have you listened to Max Pac recently. WOW!
    I think the Ghosts of the Forum Rafters are ready to pitch in.. BUT we (management)gotta do our part.

    NOVAHAB’S POST FOLLOWS:

    “Beaulieu is thinking he wants to make the Habs in training camp this year. I like this kid and they compare him to PK. If he half as good as PK he’s a steal. PK is the most exciting player in the NHL hands down and with Markov back look out. If PK played for any other team he would be the NHL poster boy passing Sid. The goal he scored againt the Bruims in the dieing seconds was electric. Yet no highlites on TSN or CBC not a word. They showed the top ten goals in the playoff nothing. Its all good all they need to do is win the cup and shove it all down the media’s throats.”

    You said it Novahabs!

    • habstrinifan says:

      Seriously question Winnipeg’s entire approach last night. Funny way to declare themselves the JETS and maybe even funnier pick. Seems too much incestuous thinking going on right now.

      • Former Jets Fan says:

        As to the pick. Ducky (see my avatar) was himself a draft jumper and put together the then-best rookie season points-wise in league history. I have to defer to his judgment there. With Hamilton and Couturier still on the board, maybe they could have traded down a few spots, but they seem to have gotten a good player with perhapts more of a “motor” than Couturier – which is what you’d want to pair with Evander Kane. Besides, you never know with the draft – last year’s big jumper just won the Calder Trophy.
        Now as to these criticisms of True North’s moves so far, I think they’re borne of a lack of understanding of the Winnipeg market. True North has only ever fired one coach and one GM – Jean Perron, their first, short mistake. So, good call there. Their second coach (Carlyle) won a Cup, their third (Arniel) just got his NHL gig last year. Whereas you seem to see an insidiousness in their organizational structure and decision-making, I just see a benign familial spirit that reflects well on the community and the situation. Consider that the Jets’ expansion cousins in Nashville have had the same GM and same coach (a Manitoban at that) their whole existence, and after weathering some early ownership issues (thanks to Bettman and some alleged illegalities) have been able to be competitive enough to by and large escape the ‘relocate a southern franchise’ discussions. The Thrashers, meanwhile, were a mess, and now they’re the Jets. If you bought a team that had similar success to the Leafs and the Panthers – which is to say, none, wouldn’t you want to wash the stink off? The Jets will value stability and familiarity because in their market, it has to work as currently constructed. There is no other potential owner, and this group is only viable backed by Thomson (a Torontonian)’s money. Surrounding yourself with people you know you can work with – considering their GM worked with the Chicago Wolves in the Thrashers’ system – is a great first step for a new organization.

        Sorry for this huge Jets spiel. Now about those Habs. Thrilled with the first pick, but sad we didn’t have a second-rounder.

        • habstrinifan says:

          I stand corrected… honestly. You have convinced me. Habs is my team but I have alway shad a soft spot for Winnipeg and Calgary.. so it’s great if WPG are indeed in good hands.

  58. deuce6 says:

    Boone Jenner is still on the board…I think we should trade up and go his way in round 2..The kid has a solid 2 way game and size (6’3″ 197lbs.)

    The kid is a great draw man..PPG player with Oshawa..

    ——————

    Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

  59. Thomas Le Fan says:

    I’m not unhappy at all to get Beaulieu @ 17th. I believe that you build a contender from the net out and P.G. is doing well in that regard. I think (or maybe just hope) that we have some forwards including A.K., Eller, Desharnais, Bournival and (crossed fingers) Pouliot who are ready to have career or breakout years. P.K., Gorges, Tinordi et al are going to be awesome. Still wish we had a high 2nd rounder but you can’t have everything. Go Habs!

    • issie74 says:

      I was wildly happy with this pick,watched him play for the Memorial Cup and I was impressed.

      He has been ranked around 10th by Central Scouting for weeks,so it never occurred to me he would be available to the Habs at 17th.

      NorthTOHab

  60. eric says:

    PG should have tried to deal Gomez to FLA as they need to get up to the Min cap space.Take a second round pick in 2020

  61. habstrinifan says:

    Hey PG Regehr nixed the Buffalo trade, according to Hickey. Maybe he wont nix Mtl! Give Calgary a call PG!

    • TomNickle says:

      He agreed to waive for Buffalo late last night.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I know i am repeating myself from last night, but I really think Feaster handled this trade poorly. I give Regehr props for taking his time, and also for waiving even though he obviously didn’t really want to go to BUffalo. I am sure Pegula helped sell Regehr on this move. Regehr is a real good straight up prairie kid. Of course I am bias as my brother coached him for years in Saskatchewan and is good friends with this father.

        • TomNickle says:

          I’ve never been a Feaster fan. He blew up a Cup winner in Tampa Bay. Boyle and Richards were sent packing and the Lightning have nothing to show for it today.

      • habstrinifan says:

        OOPS! AND OH Well! and DRATS! And any other kindergarten-level exclamation of disheartenment I have overlooked.

  62. HabFanSince72 says:

    Re: Pouliot. I would only ditch him if we have a plan to sign someone better.

    Unfortunately, for Jacques Martin, someone better means Tom Pyatt.

  63. TomNickle says:

    We have some assets that could get Pierre Gauthier into the second round. He did however say that the acquisition of Michael Bournival was good enough for him.

    I really don’t know what purpose holding on to Wisniewski’s rights serves at this point. It certainly doesn’t provide any leverage in negotiations with Gorges, Weber and Picard. I mean, we have Nash, Diaz, Yemelin, Tinordi and now Beaulieu. Had Beaulieu been selected by a team in the top 5 he very likely would have been getting set to start the season in the NHL. So bluff a little Pierre. Go get you a second round pick in today’s draft, if Wiz doesn’t sign with the team you send him to, give them a 4th next season as a conditional part of the trade. Fair compromise.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Agree Tom, we may as well get something for him, even a 3rd round, really seems pointless to not try get something.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Maybe be too late to do it but that’s thetype of thinking I am advocating. Analyse you team; analyse your options and MAKE a decision. STOP waiting out the clock!

      • TomNickle says:

        I don’t doubt for a second that Gauthier has a great handle on the team and what he needs. I just fear that he’s using the threat of Wisniewski a little too much in negotiations with our free agent defensemen. Obviously Hamrlik can do that. I find it hard to believe that a team wouldn’t part with a conditional 2nd even if it’s next years’ today. Could probably get a 3rd straight up.

        • habstrinifan says:

          Tom, based on Gauthier’s remarks on his interview after he drafted Beaulieu his ‘handle’ is that they will continue to improve the team because has a young team, which, in his opinion, hasnt been together very long. A LONG range outlook. A cautious conservative outlook.

          In a job where the decisions are not based on mathematical certainties, the boldness and risk-acceptance courage of the person making the decisions are very very important. We do not give enough consideration to the temerity of that aspect of our GM’S personality. I dont doubt for a second that Gauthier has a great handle on the team and what he needs.. according to his approach.

          The question is “is his approach” the best approach for this team especially when you consider that he will be using up at least 3 years of the career of P.K/Price/Max Pac/Markov/Eller/Cammy/Gionta.. who are the core of the team.

          I dont see, here in HIO, enough attention ever being paid to the remarks of Gionta in his ‘day after’ interview after we exited the play-offs.

          Without prodding he opined “(now) is the time for management to make the decisions to address our (needs)’. This was said by the captain after he just finished a gruelling but enticingly question-posing round ONE.

          It was the moment at last that I thought GIONTA had become the captain of the HABS, a la Henri Richard, and not a parrot for the organization or an apologist for Gomez.

          His statement which I have paraphrased should be acted ON by management. Even Hal Gill later said something similar, albeit in a specific answer to a question re Muller’s departure.

          By simple point is this.. management MUST put out to sea NOW instead of scanning the horizon for and hoping for perfect weather.

          • TomNickle says:

            I know that you’re approaching the ready to win now with the right piece argument, and I won’t disagree with you. But I’m not sure a deal was there to be made last night that gives you that piece.

            Keep in mind that trading last night is a time when assets have a very high value. Why not wait until a team wants to sign a ufa and dump a player that they’re ready to give up on or move on from and buy when the value is low?

            Our General Manager rarely makes a deal when it’s expected. He’s either ahead of the market or in a position of strength. They know what they need. I don’t think you should be worrying about that.

  64. habstrinifan says:

    Funny thing during the draft. I wasnt really paying attention to the jerseys as the picks put them on. And then when MTL drafted Beaulieu I almost jumped outta my seat.

    There he was being given NO. 11. I grabbed the phone to start the calling part-goers to celebrate the ‘Gomez is Gone’ moment.
    How did I sleep thru the news.

    And then it hit me.. everyone had a NO. 11

  65. twilighthours says:

    With Campbell being moved to Florida, there is hope yet for those of us who would like to see Gomez gone. If Campbell’s contract can be traded, anyone’s can.

    I don’t think it will happen until next year, though. I’m actually OK with giving Gomer one more year to see how he works out with Patches.

    As for Bowleeyoo, I really like this pick. The draft reports that have been posted here read to me like: this guy has all the tools, in particular the skating, and if he’s got weaknesses (tendency to try high-risk pass, takes too long getting his shot off), then they are coachable weaknesses. Big, strong, offensive D who also hits well and skates with the best of them? Yes please!

    If he turns out to be half as good as PK, we’ll have the best D in the NHL in a few years.

    • newbrunswick troy says:

      the problem with your comparison is that \Campbel is still very good..yes way over paid but good…. Gomez , not so, but if he has a strong year comming up then maybe someone might bite at him, especially after this coming year as his 7mil number falls to 5mil..

    • issie74 says:

      Yes … but remember the guy who gave Campbell that contract is the same guy who took it back.

      NorthTOHab

  66. 24 Cups says:

    Yesterday’s draft started out as a bit of a disaster for the Habs when their arch rivals chose Sean Couturier and Dougie Hamilton. Those blows were softened somewhat when the Habs were able to select Nathan Beaulieu. I mentioned yesterday morning that the Habs shouldn’t let him pass by as it basically came down to a choice between him and McNeil.

    Vancouver grabbing Niclas Jensen at the end of the day is a great bit of luck. Brian Burke might live to regret this missed opportunity.

    Everyone is going on about Columbus and how they screwed up. On paper the deal looks a bit lopsided, especially seeing that Philly had to clear cap space and should have been dealing from a position of weakness. But this trade is all about now, right now. Columbus has only made the playoffs once since 2000 and went out in four straight the year they qualified. The fans are fed up and Ohio is still reeling from harsh economic times. The team needs to make the playoffs this year, plain and simple. There are still some major holes in terms of their own end, but getting Carter at least gives them some hope. It’s sad really. A team that has always been weak at centre, would have been just two years away from having Ryan Johansen, Sean Couturier and Antoine Vermette as their three top pivots.

    i wonder if Gauthier ever talked to Stan Bowman about Troy Brouwer. It obviously would have been some kind of package deal for our 1st pick, but the chance must have been there. Burke trading for Liles to replace Kaberle by using a 2nd rounder was a good move. It finalizes the Boston deal as Colbourne, Biggs and Likes. That’s a great return for a guy you were never going to re-sign. Tallon replaces McCabe with Campbell and also helps the team get closer to the cap floor. Campbell has a Cup ring and a truckload of coin. Seriously, it’s a truckload. He now gets to while away the hours playing in the land of the sun. Sure beats Buffalo. Ottawa made an astute move by moving two 2011 second-round picks (35th and 48th overall) to draft 24th. San Jose paid a steep price to get Burns when they gave up three young kids. Top end Dmen are at a premium these days so I guess that’s the price you have to pay. If Burns signs long term next year, it will be a good deal for Wilson. If Burns goes UFA, it will be a disaster.

    Four days of rain and counting here is Southern Ontario. A high of 18 degrees on June 25th. You just know that this somehow has to be Brian Burke’s fault.

    • TomNickle says:

      Dave Pagnotta of thefourthperiod.com last night said on Twitter that Chicago and Montreal were discussing a deal. Gauthier then said on TSN that teams were looking to get his pick from him but that Beaulieu was too good to pass up on based on the value of the pick.

      On the weather, we’ve had 3 days in the last three weeks where there wasn’t rain at some point in the day.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      I still think CLB is hopeless as long as their D stands as it is + their goaltending and I don’t think they can fix that situation with free agency.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

  67. HalifaxHabs says:

    Great pick by PG, I’m sure they never imagined he’d still be on the board. TSN had him ranked 11th and futureconsiderations.ca had him ranked 9th.
    I know a lot of us were hoping for that big forward because we are looking at the state of the Habs right now, but any forward we took at that point wouldn’t have been ready to make an impact for 3 seasons. This was definitely a case of taking the best player available.
    Now we get to look at our stash of young d-men & prospects with pride & excitement again. We got studs like Tinordi and Beaulieu on their way up, Morgan Ellis and Greg Paternyn still developing… and then in the bigs we’ve already got Subby, Weber, Emelin, Gorges… it’s looking great on the blue line, for the Habs, for years to come.

    • TomNickle says:

      There will be a heavy logjam among our defensemen in three years with potentially Nash, Diaz, Subban, Weber, Gorges, Yemelin, Tinordi, Bennett, Pateryn, Ellis and Beaulieu all in the running for NHL icetime around that period.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Subban and Gorges are obviously locks to be there. I also think Emelin will be, too. That leaves three spots for eight guys. Tinordi and Beaulieu are the premium candidates while the other guys are secondary options. I’m a little more cautious than you are, Tom. It wasn’t that long ago that we had a stable of exciting defensive prospects and all we have left in 2011 is Weber. And he hasn’t made it yet.

        Then there’s Markov. Will he still be around as an elder statesman three years from now?

        • TomNickle says:

          Pateryn is seen as one of the top 3 defensive defensemen in NCAA – D1 hockey, if not the best. The projections for Bennett and Ellis are a little less clear but Pateryn is very likely only two years away and is highly likely to make the jump.

          I think we both like the chances of Beaulieu and Tinordi, which at the very least gives us 5 pretty good ones.

    • issie74 says:

      He is a rink rat Hal … his Dad is with the London Knights Org.been around hockey all his life.

      NorthTOHab

  68. habstrinifan says:

    Disagree with Daily-Habit only mildly though. His theory is that Gauthier should hav made a move to add power-forward prospects in the organization. Not altogether a bad idea but that is based on a ‘long term’ plan.

    I really believe that Gauthier’s next transactions should be to trade some of the assets he has from last year’s team and add at least two power-forwards type players. I think the HABS are close enought that with the right influx of two to three players they will be able to put up a good fight up to the 3rd round of playoffs.. injury free.

  69. HabinBurlington says:

    I disagree with Arpon’s view that Montreal should have traded down in the draft. 1st round is when you need to grab a bluechipper prospect, someone you are quite sure is going to be an impact/regular player in the NHL. Sure there are other guys you can take a risk reward on, but typically your 1st round pick should have a real good chance to play on your team for a long time.

    To trade this pick as Arpon suggests, and worse yet, suggests following Toronto’s model and pick Tyler Biggs, is a complete panic move. Yes this current Hab squad could use some sandpaper at the moment. But a player like Bigg’s is probably 3-4 years from being an NHL player. And when he does get to the NHL, probably a 3rd grinder who no doubt will play big. But that doesn’t sound like a 1st round pick to me.

    Anyhow, I am excited about Nathan, and hopeful PG can find us a 2nd round pick afterall today, without having given up a potential top 4 dman in the future.

    • JF says:

      Completely agree. If Beaulieu had not still been available, it might have made sense for the Habs to trade down and draft a couple of offensive prospects, but if there is a blue chip prospect available in the first round, you take him. As for players like Tyler Biggs, you draft them in later rounds or acquire them through trades or free-agent signings.

      My initial reaction about Beaulieu was disappointment because I wanted us to draft a forward, but, having read about him, I’m satisfied that Gauthier took the best player available. But our farm system is thin in offensive talent, so we really need to pick up some gems in the later rounds. And I hope there is some substance to rumours that Gauthier is in talks with Detroit and Minnesota about the Wiz’s rights. We’d get another pick, and the Wiz would not end up with Boston, which would be very bad news.

    • 24 Cups says:

      If Beaulieu was already gone, the next logical move would have been to take Mark McNeill. Which would have been fine by me.

      Saying we should have traded down to the bottom portion of the draft wouldn’t have necessarily given us a Biggs like player. If we selected 27th or 28th, I would have gone after Jensen, not Biggs.

    • TomNickle says:

      Tyler Biggs is far from certain to play in the NHL, and the Lucic comparisons are totally bogus. More like a Travis Moen.

  70. naweed235 says:

    so how serious can Renaud Lavoie be taken? I just read an article that he posted on RDS that says Scott Gomez generates some strong interest in Florida and Phoenix… and yes even though Campell was just acquired by FLA…
    Although it would be an amazing thing as far as our cap space is concerned, I don’t know if trading Gomez is such a great thing if we do not have a better replacement for him… I mean in the short term I can see Desharnais fill that spot but shouldn’t the whole idea behind getting rid of Gomez be that we could actually sign that elite big first line center? well the hard truth is that other than Brad Richards, there is none available and I think it is pretty safe to say that he WILL NOT come to MTL… If you don’t believe me just ask Burke how hard it is to find that #1 center…

    • habstrinifan says:

      Aorry to be blunt in this response. The fear of trading Gomez because you dont have a good replacement..that attitude is what has plagued the HABS in recent years and have led to at first an almost unnoticed slip into ineffectiveness and now what seems to be a holding pattern. So many years spent trying to ‘revive’ supposed star assets or fix team to support that star asset while either short-changing our youth or not giving them the ice time and responsibilities to prove oor NOT prove their value.

      If we have a take for Gomez.. take it. And make your training camp a reala ssessment to rework your line-up OR acquire players who individually may not be as skilled as Gomez’s dollars say he is but who may impact the team more productively.

      Enough navel gazing.

      Let’s do something to WIN the CUP!

      GO HABS GO!

      • 24 Cups says:

        Agreed. If Gomez can be dumped, then we go with DD and Eller behind Pleks. Leblanc arrives two years later.

        I truly expect Gomez to bounce back somewhat, but I’d be perfectly willing to have DD centre the line. The cap space would open some major doors during the next three years. Not to mention that it would at least be a tie between the two centres in terms of production and effort. DD’s hustle and desire to succeed would cancel out Gomez’s experience as a veteran.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Anyone can produce better than Gomez did last year. Desharnais would be a huge upgrade in his spot, he would do as well as Gomez could reasonably be expected to do, and free up a lot of salary cap too, so that we could add valuable pieces to the roster.

      To hold on to Gomez in fear that we can’t replace him is to bank on his name power, while ignoring the need to offer opportunities to our youngsters Eller and Desharnais.

      Having said that, I don’t hold out much hope that we can unload Scott. Sure Florida needs to take on salary, but it appears they want to do so with players who have something left in the tank like Campbell. Rats!

      ———————————
      Let’s do something like this again: 1) Petr Svoboda 1) Shayne Corson 2) Stephane Richer 3) Patrick Roy

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  71. arcosenate says:

    Don’t get why everyone wants to give up on Pouliot, why get rid of one of the few large forwards we have? Put him in a position where he can just play with as little pressure as possible, when he and Eller were together for 20 seconds last year they looked pretty good. In any case why give him away for nothing, why give Latendresse away for nothing?

    Nice to hear the USA chant last night. America still has it when it comes to ignorance.

    If Florida is interested in Gomez it would be quite a shocker, I think they might be selling us some swampland on that one.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I pretty much agree, unless PG gets a high 2nd round pick for BP, I think we owe to ourselves to give this guy 1 more year. Hopefully JM hasn’t completely given up on him, if he has, then PG will have to make a trade. Like it or not, JM is here for 2 more years and if the count is done with him then something must be done. Hopefully the count still has some patience and time left for Benny. That potential is so great, yet can look so far away. What a dilemna…. I guess we’ll have to trust the Organization on this one.

    • habstrinifan says:

      See my post above re not making decisions.

  72. G-Man says:

    Another fast-skating Dman with size? Nice pick.
    A 3 year project that may be ready in 2 depending upon a few things, like upper body development.

    Still looking for that trade that brings us Malkin and Crosby for Spacek. :)

  73. habstrinifan says:

    Good Morning HIO PEOPLE! Come out and play. Gripe even.

    I am bored!

  74. habsfaninboston says:

    Good pickup by PG last night. From what I’ve read and heard, he seems to be a solid 2-way D-man.
    I’d still like to see a move for some offensive help.


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