No Max-Pac for Flyers

Pacioretty

Max Pacioretty, whose size and strength would be useful against Philadelphia, won’t be in the Canadiens lineup when the Flyers visit the Bell Centre Wednesday night.
Nor will Max-Pac face the (un)beloved Bruins on Thursday and Saturday.

Pat Hickey on Pacioretty injury

Hickey on eye safety

Sean Gordon on the losing streak

Phillipe Cantin: Looking like 1995

Mathias Brunet on tanking

Kyle Roussel on Habs’ woes

SI Power Rankings

293 Comments

  1. 24moreCups says:

    Too bad Max didn’t play tonight

  2. The_Franchise31 says:

    Cap as well*

  3. The_Franchise31 says:

    Someone told me that the coaches contract is put against the as well, this isn’t true is it?

  4. RetroMikey says:

    Everyone read Kyle Roussel’s blog on the Habs’ woes

    http://www.habsaddict.com/2011/10/montreal-canadiens-season-so-far-this.html

    How true it is! Great article Kyle!

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • shiram says:

      It’s not so great, it’s basically rehashing stuff we have read on here quite a few times.
      Not saying what he says is right or wrong, just that it’s nothing new.

      Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

  5. NLhabsfan says:

    After reading most of what was in the news..FIRE the coach NOW!!!

    • RetroMikey says:

      And get rid of some smurfs while we can get something in return for them, and yes that does mean Plekanec and Cammalleri to name a few.
      I’m not going to get excited if we win tonight, the damage is done on our team.

      “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  6. caladin says:

    It’s amazing to me that nobody seems to remember how different playoff hockey is. JM’s goal is to win the cup, don’t kid yourself. But here’s a secret, so is every single coach in the NHL.
    These guts aren’t trying to sneak into the playoffs and fluke into a deep run, they are trying to craft a team that can win a 7 game series against anyone. You may think that they’re crazy, but since JM came to Montreal they have been excellent in the playoffs. Anyone who tells you differently is selling something.
    One of the problems we’ve hadlast year, along with several other good teams is that playoff hockey is a different animal.
    If you don’t believe me ask Washington.
    None of this excuses the start we’ve had. Yes things are looking bleak, but this panicked venomous howling is nit helping.
    Personally I think a lot of you would rather be right than win.

    • shiram says:

      I may be wrong, I often am.
      I just don’t see it working with JM at the helm, with his style of play considering the players we have.

      Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Morgan! There is a lot of truth to what you have just posted. I felt the same after Martin Took us on a hell of a ride two years ago in the play offs. I believe that by playing defensive hockey all year is very good preparation for play off hockey.

      But my friend, after Jarvis left, and now Muller has gone, no one left to coach the team. I have lost faith in Martin at least the little that I had.

      • eric says:

        If we didn’t get the goaltending we got first with halak would we have even made the playoffs.For me it was the goaltending that got us into the playoffs not JM

    • vivsterjuve88 says:

      while i do believe the playoffs are a different beast and this current version of the habs plays up to it, there’s a lot of parity in this league now, especially as the youth in alot of these bottom dweller teams is growing up… what says we even make the playoffs to prove how differently we can play? wont happen until we find a way to be a competitive reg season team

  7. PureGuava says:

    Palushaj will score tonight.

    “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
    - Robert Anton Wilson

  8. Neutral says:

    if we ever have all our regulars together I think these Lines would work.

    1. Cammelleri – Plekanec – Gionta
    2. Kostitsyn – Gomez – Cole
    3. Pacioretty – Desharnais – Eller
    4. Moen – Nokelainen – Darche

    win or lose, keep them together let them get use to each other. get rid of martin he’s been there long enough we’re going nowhere under him time for a change. with a good coach this could be a pretty good team…. forget about been to small, not tough enough we have speed and skill with the right coach we can do it….

    • shiram says:

      just for the heck of it…

      Cammelleri – Pleks – Cole
      Pacioretty – Eller – Gionta
      Kostitsyn – Gomez – DD
      Moen – Nokelainen – White

      Can’t have a first line so small, give em some muscle.
      Try to get a trade on DD, and slot in Darche in his place.
      Eller is playing better than Gomez was, and Gomez might pick up against easier opposition.

      Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

    • Neutral says:

      Babchuk – He’s big and a good 2nd line defencemen

    • PureGuava says:

      Eller has been the best center we’ve had this season, and you want him on the wing??

      Is that you Jacques?

      “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
      - Robert Anton Wilson

    • eric says:

      Put AK back with DD and Eller with Gomez

  9. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    There’s a lot of talk here in Calgary about Babchuk being shopped…

    What do we think?

  10. Mattyleg says:

    **The Second Installment of Lovesong of J. Alfred Martin***
    (apologies to TS Elliot)

    The yellow Flyer that rubs its opponents upon the plexiglass,
    The yellow Bruin that rubs our muzzles on the plexiglass
    Licked its tongue into the corners of the offensive zone,
    Lingered upon the crease and stood in screens,
    Let fall upon its back the checking that falls from d-men,
    Slipped by the slot, made a sudden snap,
    And seeing that it was a soft October night,
    Curled once about the ice, on a victory lap.

    **more soon!**

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  11. The Pickle says:

    @ Ghosts I actually hope he signs somewhere like WSH where we can get to see if the problem has been him or the coaching. I would hate to lose him as he’s my favourite player, but for his sake I hope he plays somewhere he can flourish.

  12. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    My thought is that someone needs to put this team on their shoulders. Dressing room leadership is one thing and I think we have a lot of that. But what we need is inspired play. I wonder if this new idea of three equal lines has limited that. We need some of that Pleks-Cammy magic from the playoffs. Or Carey to shut the door. Or PK to do what he does.

    I know all the pessimistic arguments by heart. And I definitely agree with them during the game. But if I look at it dispassionately, it is true that we haven’t played terribly.

    We have, however, put ourselves in positions where an unlucky bounce or bad call is enough to lose the game. That’s been the difference.

    Like I said, we need someone to put the team on their back and carry the team outta this funk. Hope it happens tonight.

    • Thing is, Subban has been our worst player, bar none, and I wanting to carry the team on his shoulders may be part of the reason. Same thing for Price, who ha so far faced less than 26 shots per game, and has stopped on average fewer than 23 of them. If your #1 goalie can’t stop more than 23 shots per game, and your young stud +1 D-man is dipping and deking his way to a terrible -6 in 8 games, you’re not going to win a lot of games. They’re both great players, but they haven’t played that way this year.

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

      • Ghosts of the Forum says:

        Yep, agree they both haven’t been good and PK was trying to do way too much.

        By carry the team I don’t necessarily mean individual play — but just making great plays, whatever they are. Could be an amazing effort by Gorges and Gill on the backend, spectacular goaltending from Price or 25 great, steady, clean minutes from PK (not a rush where he dekes the entire team and roofs it).

      • bleedhabs81 says:

        You know what I like about Subban? I like that he tries to make things happen. I was watching him start rushes last game and he was brilliant at times.

        The one rush he started and then made a a back pass in front of the net (to gionta, I think) was great (except it caught whomever it was off guard and the shot was kind of weak).

        I think I want PK to live (and die) by being aggressive. I just hope he learns when it is appropriate and when it is just stupid.

      • eric says:

        This is PK’s second year in the league and no body should expect him to carry the team

    • Shane1313 says:

      Well said. This is when you look to Gio, Cammy or Price. Guys that are capable. And yes lets hope we get that bounce.

  13. The Pickle says:

    @Ghosts (sorry, Im on smartphone). Im not saying he backchecks like a demon, but out of the 3 forwards on his line he’s always first back. Granted this is due to the Count’s influence, but it shows he’s coachable. And as far as the best passing, all I can say is really pay attention to it. Always hard, flat, on the tape. His blind between the legs pass to Pac vs. Colorado was insane. Just look for it and I guarantee you will agree.

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      Yep, like I said, I agree he’s a great player with untapped potential. And a good passer — just think Pleks is a better one is all.

      What I don’t get with him is whether the inconsistency is borne out of the player or the way he is managed. I get the idea you believe it’s the latter, which is fair enough. I’m up in the air about it.

  14. I still don’t get the ragging on Gauthier. I can’t think of a trade he lost, and I’ve got no complaints about his signings. Would have been nice to see him snag a dominant physical shutdown D-man this summer, but you could say the same about 25 other GMs, who were surely all competing for the same 3-5 guys. He did land Cole, one of the summer’s few rock star free agents, and if Martin’s mismanaging him or the rest of the team, that’s hardly Gauthier’s fault.

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • shiram says:

      Sergei for nothing, but he was an issue in the locker room.

      Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

      • That was lousy, but the headlines were full of stories about Sergei missing buses, cavorting with mobsters and disrespecting the team. as a GM for another team, would you have offered more than Dustin Boyd for him?

        Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

        • shiram says:

          Yeah, as I said, he was an issue in the locker room, of if you want with the other players and coaches…

          Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

          • The only questionable deal in my book was a minor one: D’Agostini for Palushaj. Dags has 4 goals in 8 games with STL this year, and potte 21 last year. But Palushaj is 2 years younger and the jury’s still out on whether he’ll become a top-six. Can’t win ‘em all. : )

            Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • Kooch7800 says:

      he screwed up our defense pretty good. we have two players with no nhl experience in the line up along with weber. So PK is one of top minute guys in his second full season. Campoli was a late addition and probably not the best pick up and it is also proving costly. Markov is still out. Why sign him to three years if his knee is that bad. Yes, he is better than Wiz but if we knew his knee was that bad another vet should have been brought in to get us through the hump.

      we currently have the worst D in the NHL

      • Actually just one guy — Diaz, who’s got 3 points in 8 games and an even +/-. And Weber’s got 3 points too, with a +4 — best on the team. The D-men who haven’t been pulling their weight are Subban (-6 in 8 games is brutal), Emelin who’s been so-so, and Gill who has no excuse.

        As for Markov, it was a calculated risk — if his knee forces him to retire, there’s no cap hit, so we can hire a replacement. If his knee heals up, we get a perennial Norris candidate. If he’s only 75% as good as he was before, that’s still pretty darn good.

        Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

        • Kooch7800 says:

          The reason weber and Diaz & Weber have better numbers is their minutes don’t compare to those of Gill and PK neither do their defensive assignments. They are being over used cause they are the most experienced. If we had other vets their minutes would be down and I don’t think PK or Gill would be as bad as they are currently.

          Stats don’t tell the whole story

      • Jordio-oh says:

        Of course Campoli is proving costly now that he’s hurt, but who could have predicted that? Besides, at the time Campoli was one of the better available options. He was a better option than McCabe, Rivet, Strudwick and Boynton.

        Columbus, Tampa, Minnesota and Ottawa (at least until the rookies develop) are all worse off than the Habs.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          We didn’t bring in Campoli until right before the season started….hence why he was signed and the best option available. Everyone else was signed. Why was no other option explored until then? I think it was because they thought Emelin was going to be better. They chased this guy for 7 years and he doesn’t look that great. Yes, he needs time to adjust but really I think he would be better on the bulldogs cause he doesn’t look comfortable out there and he defenitly isn’t a physical defensemen

      • Cardiac says:

        Columbus is pretty bad…

        “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
        - Jerry Maguire

  15. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    FYI:

    JohnLuTSNMtl John Lu
    #Habs Pacioretty is a possibility to make the trip to Boston because he’s a GTD tonight, according to J. Martin.

  16. Shane1313 says:

    Man, Ill be at the first home game where the Booins are back in town and I was hoping MaxPac would be playing. Damn I wanted him to show that team that hes back and better than ever. ah

  17. Frank2468 says:

    I was at the game on Monday and spent 2 days at Complexe Sportif Bell, and saw the players practice twice and they treated my daughter like royalty and signed her jersey and spent time with her. And on Tuesday they looked upset after practice and having a team meeting but still made the effort to chatted with my daughter, really classy bunch of guys JM hasn’t lost the room yet, from what I saw at the practices, does that mean I like his coaching style (no). Wish everyone would get off theirs backs they really do care you can tell by the looks on their faces, but still have time for the kids, really classy organization. I know I’m going to get heat from my post cause we are all upset with the current situation but I had to let my fellow hab fans know what I saw, and the feeling I got, it will turn around. So please if your going to comment and need to take shots, please direct the comments to me and not at my daughter who’s just a Little girl and was totally wide eyed at meeting the team.

    Thanks

    • Bripro says:

      Why would anyone take a shot at your daughter? Good for her.
      I had the chance to take my son to a Habs practice when Koivu was recovering from cancer.
      He was 11 at the time, and his room was painted red-white-blue with crests and posters everywhere.
      The players responded then too. So gracious, and Koivu sat him on the Bell centre players’ bench and chewed his ear off for 20 minutes.
      They always seem to have a soft spot for kids.
      It’s the jerk adults they loathe (who can blame them?).

      • Frank2468 says:

        I know that a decent respecting person would never take a shot at a kid, but then again you never know. So just reminding people she’s just a little girl, and at the end of the day still all about the kids, cause they are the future fans of the team.

        Thanks to all for the nice responses

    • G-Man says:

      The players and management do care. There are many leaders on the Habs, but thus far this season everything is going the wrong way. Nice to hear that they treated your daughter with respect and class.

    • Shane1313 says:

      No heat from me. I think youre right. And there is a whole lot of good character in the room. I think we’ll be fine in the long run. People have a right to be dissapointed, but you gotta believe with all these young D-men, losing two more experienced. Markov not back. Martin’s constant line juggling even though I think he had to at a certain point. All this team needs is a win. Then everyone will breathe. The players won’t play so frustrated. We” have the feeling of a win and we’ll loosen up and play the hockey that we’re capable of. Just waiting on that win.

    • savethepuck says:

      Not everyone on here disagrees with you on the team we have. I see a team that has only played maybe 2 out of 8 bad games, they’re just not catching any breaks. I know we have a bunch of guys that give a crap on this roster.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

      • Shane1313 says:

        Good to know. “catching breaks is key”. We are just not catching them at the time, it sometimes hard to tell unless you’re really watching. Hopefully enough people see that. I just want my boys to win too!

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Frank! We all know that the players hurt as well as the fans. It is not their fault that Martin does not have the ability to put this team together where they will all excel at the game they love to play! but are not permitted to.

  18. HFX-HabFan says:

    Anyone else hoping that Eller gets to take his share of faceoffs against Briere tonight?

  19. Mikey_39 says:

    Am I the only one having problems getting onto this site? It takes forever and only works 50% of the time!

  20. The Pickle says:

    AK would absolutely tear up the league on a team that knew how to use him. He has all the tools. He’s big, he can skate, he hits like a truck(although he passes up too many hits because god forbid he’s not in perfect defensive position), he’s the first guy back 95% of the time, he has an otherworldly shot and is by FAR the best passer on the team, he has good vision and creativity. He could be a left handed Ovechkin if he played for a real team…

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      I think AK has untapped potential, but this might be a bit of an exaggerated post. Especially the best passer (Pleks, Markov) and the backchecking.

      But, as I said, definitely agree he has a great skill set. Hopefully he rediscovers the flashes of chemistry he had with Eller last year.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      I would say that for 90% of our players my friend! All of them would be better if allowed to use some of their own creativity and maintain their line mates long enough to get to know their first name.

    • Jordio-oh says:

      AK has great hands so he’s one of the best with the short saucer passes or the quick 8-12 foot backhanders, but I’ve noticed his long ice passes need work. They’re normally 2-3 inches off the ice and wide of the target.

  21. FishOutOfWater says:

    do we know whos starting tonight yet?

  22. Bripro says:

    I know the timing sucks, but for anyone who’s interested, I have a pair of season’s tickets available for about a dozen games or so, up in the blues.
    Let me know if any of you are interested. email me – terma@sympatico.ca

  23. Ian Cobb says:

    Here is where we place as of now in the 30 team league.
    I will post these 3 statistics each week, showing the difference from the past week. In order of importance.

    Goal Against— 26, We are in 24th place this week.
    Total Points—- 4, We are in 29th place this week.
    Goals For——- 18, We are in 21st place this week.

    Really only one way to go for next week folks. I will post this every Sunday.

    • Cardiac says:

      I think it’s important to include special teams as well:

      PP – 9.4%, We are in 29th place this week.
      PK – 80%, We are in 20th place this week .

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      - Jerry Maguire

  24. GoalieT says:

    Thought this was funny. Here’s something that may/may not make us all feel better. Whether it’s in reference to game by game, or for the season in general.

    “The sooner you fall behind, the more time you’ll have to catch up. ”

    You can call me delusional, but I have a good feeling about tonight.

    Ultimate Die-Hard Fan Since 1986.

    T.

  25. ffenliv says:

    I think I’ve discovered where all the problems stem from:

    Game 1: Rush home from work and am in too much of a hurry to grab my Habs sweater. Team loses

    Game 2: I have plenty of time before the game, so I grab the sweater and wear it with pride (all by myself, at home). Team wins

    All subsequent games: Didn’t wear sweater. They lost all the games.

    I’m so sorry!

    • GoalieT says:

      GAH!

      Ultimate Die-Hard Fan Since 1986.

      T.

      • ffenliv says:

        Ya, I know. I can’t believe I let everyone down.

        That Jersey, purchased at the Bell Centre, is also a Doug Jarvis sweater, and we sure could use some of that faceoff magic.

        • bleedhabs81 says:

          You can’t take all the blame.

          Whenever I wore my sweaters last year, they lost (except the night they won against the bruins but lost Max). So I have not worn a sweater yet this year…. maybe it is the opposite of last year… maybe I need to wear my sweater.

    • avatar_58 says:

      I wore my cammy and they lost. Maybe if I wear subban / classic beiege sweater they will win.

      • ffenliv says:

        Frankly, which sweaters we should be wearing are likely a lot more important than which coach to fire/hire, and what line combos we should use. Clearly, we’ve tried all the line combos, and none of them worked – though JM has yet to try a forward line of Subban, Gil and a talked-out-of-retirement Patrick Roy – THAT’s a line with some sizzle’

        • bleedhabs81 says:

          OH! If we were to somehow soak the opposing goalies sweater in blood and then let Patrick Roy out there…. oh man! He would smell the blood and go nuts on that goalie!

  26. The Dude says:

    Dear Jeff Molson ,as a follower of the Habs and a person with a heart I thought I’d give you a beer analogy to help you through these hard times.
    One of my fav beers is Steinlager not a Molsen product.It is recognized as a World class beverage . I don’t drink Molsen’s …it’s not good beer!But if Molsens -Coors bought Steinlager then I’d happily buy a Molsen ,Steinlager is real beer. So lets switch to the Habs…..If you Jeff Molsen got a real G.M.,a real Coach, real scouts and A REAL VIEWPOINT OF N.H.L. hockey you and I would have a real team and not have this bad taste in our mouths! Got it?

  27. Old Bald Bird says:

    I thought Carbo was an awful coach, but perhaps he has learned since then. Why not pay him to finish the year and see what he can do? I think he’d come back for decent $ for the rest of the year and not insist on a long term contract. It would be his chance to get back into the game, and he should jump at the opportunity — assuming that he’s interested. He would give us a change in direction while the brainbust contemplates the future.

    • Mattyleg says:

      What gives you the idea that Carbo has learned since then, with minimal coaching experience in the juniors?

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        Perhaps time and contemplation has been of some benefit. I am mainly thinking that he would be a stop gap measure for the rest of the year. At least it deals with the blasted language issue.

    • savethepuck says:

      I am of the thoughrt that Carbo lost his job because he had lost the room but when Gainey took over he realized it was the room that was the problem ( no chemistry ), so he blew it up that off season. It makes me think possibly Carbo was not the problem that year.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  28. Bill says:

    Sean Gordon calculates Habs would have to go 42-28-5 or something like it to make playoffs at this point already. Oy.

    How good is this Nail Yakupov again?

    Full Breezer 4 Life

    • Cardiac says:

      He’s already been compared to Ovechkin and Kovalchuk.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      - Jerry Maguire

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        That just annoys me, I hate comparisons to superstars. Yzerman has had a ‘clone’ in the draft for many a year now, still don’t see an Yzerman in the league.

        Yakupov is a complete offensive threat, playmaking ability and he can finish with the best of them. Quick hands mixed with explosive speed to his skating and great lateral ability. Gets his nose dirty and he competes on every shift he plays (Thoughts from Future Considerations).

        Questions arose about how much he was feeding off teammate Alex Galchenyuk, a fellow 2012 prospect who was favoured Top-5, Top-10 but is now essentially out for the year with ACL surgery. At the moment he leads the entire OHL in points scoring at a clip better than 2PPG. Safe to say he’s fine without the help.

        - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

    • Jordio-oh says:

      I had 41-25-7 yesterday (based on how many overtime losses we’ve had since the lock out), but 89 points (totalling 93) is going to be the magic number.

  29. mjames says:

    Who is this guy Kyle Roussel. His blog was first class. Molson should read it.

    mjames

  30. HabinBurlington says:

    Hoegarden down below raises a good point about the damage BGL did to this franchise when he came here an created a new code for what his responses would be (or perhaps wouldn’t be).

    But in thinking about this, he did further damage to this organization. Clearly PG/JM have a disdain for any player who seems to be overtly physically abrasive and specifically one who would stand up for his teammates. Did the fiasco that was BGL put such a bad tasted in PG/JM’s mouth that they then became more adamant to never bring in that style of player again?

    And for the record, NO, having an effective enforcer would not have prevented Markovs, MaxPacs, Campoli’s, Whites, or others injuries. However, having a more physical 4th line and perhaps deploying our power forwards in a more physical forecheck would wear down our opposing teams Dmen and perhaps lead to easier scoring chances.

    • Hoegarden says:

      HB,
      Had the medical staff done their job properly with BGL, he would have never worn a Habs jersey. His back problems and mindset were huge red lights for the commitment level expected from him.
      Until the team gets the Rodney Dangerfield logo off their back, it will remain open season in Habsland. I hate to give in to the need for a true enforcer, who will occasionally start rather than stop the bs the team has to put up with.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I agree Hoe, and I feel hypocritical for saying so. I am not a proponent for fighting, having said that when you watch our games closely teams never miss an opportunity to finish a check hard even if quite late. They never miss an opportunity to give Price extra shots, they love to go overboard in post whistle scrums.

        I am not foolish enough to think this doesn’t happen in other games with teams not named the Habs. But we currently have absolutely zero pushback. I will throw his name out there again, What is Paul Mara doing right now? No longterm answer, but some shortterm gain.

    • Xsteve50 says:

      I agree 100%,

  31. Psycho29 says:

    Not sure if anyone else mentioned it, but Mr. Personality Bertrand Raymond was on RDS last night (Hockey-360) and was discussing who could take over the Habs as coach. He said there are a few possibilities: Michel Therrien, Patrick Roy, and some guy in the Q (his name escapes me). He figures that Roy would never take over in mid season.
    The host asked about a possible anglo coach, and Raymond said they will NEVER hire a coach who doesn’t speak French. Not Cunneyworth, not Muller…..
    The host said something like “C’mon this is 2011-12″, and Raymond just said it didn’t matter, it’s never going to happen.

    • Hoegarden says:

      On the other hand, I would certainly see Vincent Damphousse taking over the GM position. He’s been involved with the NHLPA and knows players well enough to make sound decisions.
      Coaching is a different issue. Both Hartley and Crawford would fit the bill (French) but many teams have pushed their CVs aside. The question is why ? Apparently Pascal Vincent is a Boucher 2.0 but once again, would the Habs take a chance on a coach with zero experience at the pro level.

    • Danno says:

      I’m confused as to why language is such an issue.

      First of all, Martin doesn’t talk to the players.

      Second of all, whenever Martin gives a press conference nobody can understand what the hell he’s saying – in either official language.

      ________________________________________

      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

    • likehoy says:

      unfortunate.. I’m not sure who would be the next in line but it’s kind of funny.

      We complained for so long to stop hiring inexperienced coach out of our backyards and the country-club effect of just bringing in coaches who’ve had relations or ties with the team.

      Now that we have JM, an outside coach, no ties, and experienced… we’re still unsatisfied.

      I think the Canadiens would be better off getting a fiery and emotional coach that has a lot of heart cause that’s what we all want to see from the team even if they’re not going to be the flashiest team, or the best team defensively. We just want to watch a team that would bleed for its colours.

      - Gomez is holding down the “overpaid” button

    • Xsteve50 says:

      If the guy can coach I don`t care if he speaks Russian….Us bablefish.com to translate if you have too…..

    • Xsteve50 says:

      Winningest Coaches All-Time
      BY PERCENTAGE
      Rank Coach (Colleges Coached, Tenure) Yrs. W L T Pct.†
      1. *John Rolli (Mass.-Dartmouth 1985-2010)…win % .762
      4. *Bob Emery (Plattsburgh St. 1990-2010)…..win %.742

      pick one….. either would do a better job that what we have presently….

  32. jgraves33 says:

    Hurry back MaxPac!

    • likehoy says:

      not too fast, we don’t want him to sustain any serious injury.
      At this point, we rather a 100% maxpac and play some good hockey instead of a 75% maxpac and continue to lose games.

      - Gomez is holding down the “overpaid” button

    • savethepuck says:

      he is

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  33. The Pickle says:

    The biggest issues I have with the Count’s coaching are as follows, in order of importance:

    1. The System – We don’t have the roster to play The System. We’re built for the exact opposite.

    2. Mathieu Darche – From all accounts, Darche is a great guy. He works hard. But he sucks. If the Habs want a great guy who will work hard but sucks, I’ll do it for cheaper than Darche. He can’t even corral the long passes on the boards from the D. Stop playing him.

    3. The lines – When a line is going good, play them. Don’t reduce their ice time the next game or break them up (DD, AK, Pac anyone?). And once you realize the common denominator in all of your good line combos is AK, maybe increase his TOI?

    4. Emelin – This guy is the tailor made answer to what ails us on D, and he’s gotten better with every game, ramping up the physical play and making smarter decisions with the puck. So what does the Count do? To the press box! To the 4th line. Ridiculous…

    • savethepuck says:

      3. I agree AK is the common denominator for our best line over the last 5 games. First with DD and MaxP and then with Eller and Moen. I’m surprised no others have mentioned this on here but it’s understandable because he was taken 10th overall in the 03 draft.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I think AK is an example of how our talented players are not being utilized. I swear if AK gets traded this guy is going to have his first 30+ goal season and we will be even angrier.

  34. ed lopaz says:

    note to Gauthier:

    if a man named Bob Gainey walks into your office and tells you he

    has a “great” idea about trading our #1 pick and our #2 pick, and it

    sounds too good to be true….it probably is too good to be true.

    Please refer him to HIO Comments section.

    Thank you.

  35. montreal ace says:

    The spot Montreal finds itself in is all on PG and BG, and the way they seem to lose every trade they make. There has been enough said about Gomez, but there is another trade that really gets to me. I will never understand the reasoning for getting Tanguay for a first and second and then not signing him, was just stupid. I may as well leave a comment about BGL, who conned his way into a nice big contract, and is rewarded by being sent home with pay, that still counts against the cap. The Habs should have sent him to the AHLto ride buses on his vegan diet. I am going for a coffee before I start on the medical staff and Markov. Molson dont allow these guys to make any trades, let them work with what they have and if there is no improvement after 20 games can them.

    • Hoegarden says:

      BGL has done more harm to the Habs than people realize. His refusal to take care of business has opened the door for all opponents to do as they please and not worry about retribution. I recall when he was signed that my comment on HIO was a simple word, “Respect”. I am afraid it has been the total opposite since.

    • ed lopaz says:

      we were 1 minute apart. I’ll edit my comment and let you have it.

  36. Bash says:

    The questions are clear enough! Is our record the result of unforeseen circumstance – injuries, no Markov and opposing goalies on fire, OR Is our record the result of poor management and coaching?

    The answers are not as clear. On the one hand most agree that with a little more luck against two goalies who played lights out, a couple of better bounces and alert refereeing our record would not be dismal. I think they are right. And the truth is that Markov in the lineup we are a better team.

    But the unwillingness to fill some obvious holes (size) is pure management idiocy! And you have to think that there was no backup plan for Markov’s extended leave.

    The line combos have been a farce. We know JM has the experience but the deployment of Darche, Cole, Gomez and Emelin is too obviously flawed.

    …and if Price goes down to injury (dear I say career weakening) because he is being run so often the franchise will not recover in the next decade.

    Would you rather Konopka and Big Artie on the 4th line now??

    We would all prefer that “firebrand” style which would bury teams with forecheck and speed but it is not going to happen with this roster.

    We have had some bad luck. But a new vision is desperately needed.

    Thanks Pierre…thanks Jacques…and Goodbye.

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

  37. DearyLeary says:

    So we lay an egg in the easy part of the start of the season. If people think it’ll be better against a team that’s playing well, they should have their head examined.

    • savethepuck says:

      The team diidn’t lay an egg against Buffalo, they dominated a team that a lot of experts have as one of the favorites in the East.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

      • DearyLeary says:

        They were the best team we’ve played so far. We still lost in regulation.

        They don’t ask you how you score, they don’t ask you how you win or lose. You just have to win.

    • t1tan5 says:

      History tells us that we generally play to the level of our opposition. With that in mind, I wouldn’t be surprised if we play well tonight. I’m not saying we’ll win, but it’ll be respectable either way.

    • J_P says:

      Over the years Ive noticed that when I think the habs are guaranteed to lose, they win.

  38. showey47 says:

    WTF is with this 403 forbidden can’t access the site crap?

    • shiram says:

      Are you using firefox? Cause I am and I get them too.

      Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Has to be the HIO Servers and other HIO related issues. Lots of people getting it. I find I am getting logged out now all the time.

        Perhaps it is because I broke my ankle jumping off the bandwagon recently. Are they actually bright enought to track this stuff. I guess this Ontario E-Health program is working and HIO has access to my medical files now.

      • Danno says:

        It’s the Jacques Martin software that accidentally interfaced with HIO’s blog. The System© 1.0 automatically sends a “forbidden” message whenever anybody deviates from defense first, counter attack, trap, dump it in, one-man forecheck.

        It’s either that or the Gerbils are revolting again.

        ________________________________________

        “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”It

    • likehoy says:

      It usually happens if you have or tried to post a negative Jacques Martin comment.

  39. piter says:

    I’m not as worried as alot of the posters are, of losing the next three games. I’ve noticed over the last couple of seasons that when we play tougher teams, they seem to elevate our game to match theirs. It happens alot where we play games against losing teams, teams that we were expected to beat, and lose. So, I do believe, we can at least get 3 or 4 points outta the next 3 games. The bad luck, or karma, whichever you like, just can’t keep going on the way it is. It can’t. The hockey world is too un-even, and has to balance back out. The hockey gods must do something, and step in. This means we will eventually get the right bounces, or rebounds, or even have the refs making a few calls FOR us. We’ll start to play better, and get the wins.

  40. Ian Cobb says:

    Going to be a lot of season tickets available after the next three games.

  41. habs12 says:

    #canadiens Max Pacioretty patine. J’ajouterais même à ma collègue @ChantalMachabee qu’il va tenter de jouer ce soir.

    according to renaud lavoie’s twitter account

    • shiram says:

      Of course he will, he is our freaking Wolverine, complete with adamantium and healing factor.

      Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

    • savethepuck says:

      My french is limited. Does that mean MaxP will try to play tonight? If he does it’ll remind me of the game in Buffalo last year that he took the Wiz shot in the ribs, left in an ambulance, and was in the line up the next game even though he was supposed to be out 2 to 3 weeks.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  42. davecessna says:

    I am still in the camp of a complete rebuild (which will never happen in Montreal). However, ask yourself whether certain players, or in particular, a certain goaltender would want to ride something like that out for what could be 4-5 years. Has anyone on this team, other than Markov, explicitly shown any true loyalty to this team?

    Cryptic writing aside, if I were Price and I knew that behind a competent team I would perform, I would be on the next flight outta here if my GM placed dynamite under the roster.

    • avatar_58 says:

      Man whatever. If I were a goalie I’d rather be on a garbage team doing vezina work, being told I’m “the reason” they win games. That’s just me though I guess.

      Same as a forward. I would rather be the team’s “go to guy” than just a cog in the wheel of a powerhouse.

      I mean give me a break, did Seguin really win a cup? Did rask? A ring is worthless if you aren’t a hero for the team. Just my opinion.

    • CanadienBoy says:

      Funny how the Flyers give long term contract to Carter and Richard and change they mind for the good of the teams and just unload them ,we could have done the same with the Wiz and Hammer for this year as security

  43. savethepuck says:

    I see there’s no reason to watch any Habs games until next Friday because all the experts on here have us pencilled in for losses in the next 3 games. Although 75% of these experts handed the Flyers a noncontested berth into the Stanley Cup finals last year at the trade deadline. So, come to think of it, maybe I’ll watch the games and see how things turn out.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

    • HabinBurlington says:

      FYI, I will be watching, I will be cheering. I want the team to perform like the team I thought we had this summer. But between injuries, players underperforming, leading to an undermanned roster it is getting harder and harder to believe this current roster will get on a roll.

      And I didn’t even bash Coaching or Mgmt.

      • savethepuck says:

        Just frustrating everyone thinks we’ll even lose both to the Bruins who are only 3-5 right now and 2 points ahead of the Habs.

        “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
        Carey Price

      • shiram says:

        We get to see Jagr play tonight, that’s something worthwhile to watch.
        Oh yea and there’s the chance the Habs win it too.

        Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

    • G-Man says:

      Don’t inject logic into “Tanking Inside/Out.” Someone might blow a fuse, or worse, a gasket.

  44. Chuck says:

    Habs tweet that Patches was 2nd on the ice for the morning skate.

    • CanadienBoy says:

      Predictions for tonight ,Flyers will take merciless run at both Price and Suban till one of them get injured

      • Danno says:

        I was saying exactly the same thing earlier today.

        I really, really, really hope we’re both wrong. But I just have a bad feeling about it.

        ________________________________________

        “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  45. kerrgte says:

    The results of the next 3 games should warm things up for Mssrs Martin and Gauthier, … oh, and Timmins too. 3 losses will finish the season for the team.
    A poor understanding of player evaluation criteria for today’s game have put us in this pickle.
    I do hope with the impending regime change that we model ourselves after clubs that have opted for skill, size, and (dare I say) truculence (a la Philly).

  46. HabinBurlington says:

    So it appears Ownership is going to use these next 3 games as the Final Litmus Test on what direction this team goes. Either they win 2 of 3 and PG/JM maintain the ship until the next losing streak or they lose 2 or more and Mr. Geoff Molson has his first tough decision since whether or not the recent increase in Draught Beer at the Phone Booth was enough.

    Assuming (Cynically) this team loses more than wins this next 3 I suspect the team must then look at a rebuild, whether this is a tweakable rebuild or shipbuilding rebuild is the next question.

    My concern is the trades that then follow. It seems to me that when you are the buyer in the trade, you at best short term gain, you lose term gain, and you may even lose short and long term.

    I have thought this team was close, still did at start of season. I am no longer as optimistic. But if we start making trades, I want to be the seller not the buyer. I don’t want to see players under age 26 and younger going out the door for guys in their 30′s.

    As Serious Fan has been kindly showing us our long term future has some bright spots. Our current roster has 5-6 young bright spots. If we look at many of our recent significant trades we were the buyers, and perhaps that is why there is a feeling that we never fleece any other GM (Of course could be PG just can’t fleece anyone, I haven’t seen him on the World Poker Tour bluffing his way to a Bracelet).

    I don’t know I am rambling, but don’t want to see trades of panic.

    Long post with basic principle, should have just written that.

    • The Dude says:

      Or after the next 3 loses J Molsen does squat. After all the Bell will still be filled with fans with rosed coloured glasses on who still think this team”formally known as the Habs and now known as the wtf’s” can make the play-off’s while GAUTHIER FIGURE’S THIS LIL GLITCH OUT.See ,this is what happens when a couple of generations of Hab fans never witness a Cup win,it’s all in the plan. Worked on the Leafs fans since 1967.

      • shiram says:

        JM’s revised goal is 96 points and scraping into the playoffs, his earlier goal was 100+ points, but he revised it recently.
        As long as JM brings the team to the playoffs, it generates extra revenue for Molson.
        I think firing JM can only happen if the team looks like it is not going to make the playoffs. If Molson feels keeping JM threatens to lead to no playoffs, he will get rid of him.

        Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

  47. bel33 says:

    I’m never really surprised by the Toronto Sports Network… TSN, but I feel like sharing with you all.

    So I’m reading their story on the Count and how he’s sleeping well in his coffin at night and not worried about his job. I get down to the comment section, and after I read about five or six comments by this Troll of a Leafs fan… I decided I need to address him directly. Well of course my post never sees the light of day… but this guy is allowed to spew his Habs bashing. So glad I have RDS to watch the games.

    Maybe I shouldn’t have used the word Troll so much in my reply? Hmm….

  48. davecessna says:

    Pacioretty seems to be exceptionally injury prone. :p

  49. Chuck says:

    Below, Shiram mentioned a bit about fighting delaying the game. So what would you thought be of upping the penalty for fighting to 7 minutes… 5 for fighting, plus 2 for delay of game? Toss in an instigator, and you could be losing a player for 9 minutes.

    • shiram says:

      I guess the delay of game is already included in the 5 minutes.

      But fights are always delaying the games, refs whistles everyone stands around waiting, and after a short while play can resume.

      Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

    • G-Man says:

      2 for delay of game, 2 for unsportsmanlike, 5 for fighting, 10 for misconduct, and the rest of the game. 1 game suspension w/o pay. Fine team $10K for 1st offence.
      Keep trebling the suspension time and the team’s fine. Suddenly, all the goons will disappear.

    • Tony McLean says:

      I’m all for real fights (never mind most Canadiens swing purses rather than punch) but those staged fights should call for a game misconduct, what a sham.
      ———————————————————-
      Time to call a guy named Lou in NJ and ask for permission…

  50. habsfn4 says:

    This is gut check time. Here was a team that did well in the playoffs – not great. So there were high hopes for a good year. Perhaps a few bad decisions on letting a few guys go. But, my take is we really felt the arrivals, return of Georges and we were hopeful that Markov would have returned by now would have settled the D down, Price would have a good year and the O would be in form. The Moon and the Stars didn’t line up. Who will step up?! Do we have a leader? Where is the instigator – tough guy who can bet the boys excited? Remains to be seen…!!! Coaching?? GM?? Not good and hasn’t been better than just good.

  51. habsfan reduxit says:

    … as per Pat Hickey, “Nokelainen provided a glimpse of what he can provide for the Canadiens when he made his Montreal debut Monday night and won all four of his faceoffs.”

    … to which I reply, any good news in a storm is welcome news.

    “Whenever you have the puck, and don’t know what to do with it, put it in the net.” – Toe Blake

  52. mrhabby says:

    So much bad karma… Iam glads its not my money that is being paid to the players and management. Geoff Molson must not be pleased and was very hopefull for a good start he bleeds habs . What ever happens in the next week or so will determine Martins future and Gauthier i guess.
    i miss the days when the teams would come to Montreal and be fearful of playing the canadiens thats what i would like to see reestablished.

  53. shiram says:

    I feel players should wear visors, it’s just plain common sense to protect players that are getting paid millions of dollars, it has to come from the GM’s though. Players like Moen who would prefer to go withouth will adapt, and who cares if he takes a second to take off his helmet before a fight, the fight is already delaying the game, what’s a few second more.

    Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

  54. boonie says:

    Assuming PG or Molson dismiss or promote JM, I have to think that Cunneyworth has the inside track as the interim HC for the balance of the season.

    I don’t know if he’s a good or bad choice long term (likely the latter), but he had success at the AHL level. Coached most of the up-and-comers on the current NHL squad, must have some qualifications as a communicator/teacher/mentor, and obviously was ok-ed for promotion by PG.

    Management could accept an English-speaking “interim” coach. If he’s very successful, PG won’t get meaningful pushback on making him a permanent replacement. If he’s reasonably successful, it might let PG choose an English-speaking full time successor. If he’s abysmal, we get a high draft pick and start moving bodies at the deadline for future value (ok, that last part is just hoping).

    • Tony McLean says:

      What’s with people suggesting candidates who have never even been NHL coaches or GMs before? Yeah it’s 19 years next spring since the CH won but I value the franchise a little higher than that.
      ———————————————————-
      Time to call a guy named Lou in NJ and ask for permission…

      • boonie says:

        I didn’t mean to “suggest” Cunneyworth or any candidate. I’ve noticed in many pro sports, many interim coaches come from within the organization and usually the organization promotes an assistant.

        If you accept that preamble, I was outlining the strategic benefits of Cunneyworth as English-speaking coach with first-hand knowledge of and success with our recent prospects and someone who is valued by PG.

    • Tony McLean says:

      Betrand Raymond was disgusting on AC last night reiterating the PQ-Boivin line. We’re doomed.

      It would be HUGE if Geoff Molson had a “Ted Tilden moment” and hired a Sam Pollack or a Toe Blake. Sheer separatist idiocy limits our choices. (But Boucher was the choice ironically.)
      ———————————————————-
      Time to call a guy named Lou in NJ and ask for permission…

  55. afik says:

    You know, what really kills me nowadays is a title such as: “No Max-Pac for Flyers”! Is he really the Masiah? When he played – did the team win?
    Don’t get me wrong, he is – indeed – a great player, but he is not the answer to the real problem. I agree with all people who think that the ENTIRE SYSTEM should be changed (begining with the coach, for instance)! I also agree with those who think that 2-3 wins will not necessarily change the true picture, and that something has to be done very Quickly before it is too late!

  56. 24 Cups says:

    “Defenceman Alexei Emelin practiced with newcomers Petteri Nokelainen and Mike Blunden on the fourth line, but the Canadiens recalled Aaron Palushaj late Tuesday and he’ll take Emelin’s spot. The Palushaj announcement came after 5 p.m. so they could save some money on their cap space.” (Pat Hickey)

    I think Martin should put Palushaj on the line with Eller and AK46. He’s not a defensive minded player so why waste him on the 4th line. We might as well find out if he can really play in the NHL. Darche can take his spot on the checking line.

    Players running Carey Price? The team might want to dress Emelin instead of Diaz (who has been decent) and Price might want to watch some Billy Smith videos. Carey has to make them pay the price for venturing into his crease.

    • shiram says:

      Carey’s been doing it, he hit Krejci on the head with his stick, the thing is he can’t do it all the time/too much or gets a penalty.
      Agree that Palushaj should not be on the 4ht line, give him some time to see if he can click on a non-checking line.
      Emelin, yea, I wanna see him skate too, hopefully he can be at least rotated in with either Diaz or Spacek.

      Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

      • samTHEman says:

        I think you mean Kadri. He cross checked Horton on purpose last year when the ref wasnt looking and he gives nudges to players infront of him occasionally. He needs to do it on a more often to send the message to his players that if they don’t protect him, he’ll do it himself. Not only PK….EVERYONE has to contribute. Team effort. Don’t let anyone in the crease.

        ———————————————————-
        It’s P.K. Tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiime

    • Natrous says:

      You may be on to something, but I have a funny hunch that Martin is going to put Emelin on the 2nd line at centre, move PK up to the wing and maybe even call up Henry from the ‘Dogs to play the other wing. Carey will shift over to play the point, and Gomez will take his place in goal since he won’t have to hit anyone or skate too hard (his strong points).

      Pleks will move back to the point permanently, freeing up Gill to play centre in his place. Cammalleri will be his partner on D, and OH GOD I’M SICK OF THE LINE COMBINATION JUGGLING THAT MARTIN STRUGGLES WITH SO BADLY.

      I’ve been a JM supporter until this season, with Darche on the PP and Cole on the bench. So what if Cole had a mediocre preseason?? PRICE had a mediocre preseason the year before and set a record for starts in goal for the Habs. JM has contradicted himself non-stop this year and has finally overstayed his welcome.

  57. HabsFanMTL says:

    the Habs have 3 games including tonight tomorrow and saturday. They don’t play again till friday which is 5 days off, thats 5 days for new management and new coach to get familiar with the team and take over. Now if the habs lose all 3 games and JM is still coach on Monday ? then he isn’t going anywhere for the rest of the year

    • 24 Cups says:

      IF we lose the next three games, it means the team will be 1-10. We will be this year’s version of New Jersey and the season will be over in terms of the playoffs. If that’s true, then why make a knee jerk reaction and fire people when there are no viable candidates available? Stay the course, play the kids, have a fire sale in March and then totally re-evaluate the situation when the season ends.

      • mrhabby says:

        steve..while i agree to your ..stay the course, it will be very hard for the Molson family to do that don’t you think having the media scream at them until the season ends… this is turning into a complete disaster. beyond comprehesion.

      • J_P says:

        I dont think PG has to necessarily go right away. Martin wasnt his hire so he still has that card to play to buy himself some time. MArtin definitely needs to be fired though in that situation, I definitely dont want martin “playing the kids”. Martin isnt a “coach” by definition, and I dont think he brings anything to the table as far as helping young players along. He doesnt have enough patience.

  58. PureGuava says:

    The Wiz played 30 minutes last night in his Blue Jackets debut, and they spanked the Red Wings for their 1st win of the season!
    And they did this without Jeff Carter in their line-up.

    “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
    - Robert Anton Wilson

  59. DEANDALLEY says:

    I feel that Carey Price will soon go Apechit on the next guy who runs him!

    “Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing”

  60. DEANDALLEY says:

    If Price gets hurt then the team can TANK!

    “Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing”

  61. Marc10 says:

    The 10 Commandments of the Next GM (draft 1.0)

    1. Thou shalt find a way to land a big, tall, talented first line center no matter what
    2. Thou shalt not have more than two shrimps on the team
    3. Thou shalt have a nice blend of talented, speedy & skilled scoring forwards and mean as F baddasses who can play hockey
    4. Your D shalt be quarterbacked by PK Subban and Nathan Beaulieu and every other guy back there will be 6’3+ and be knowledgeable in the ways of arse kicking anyone who so much as looks at Carey the wrong way
    5. In The Franchise you will trust
    6. Thou shalt never let a talented player reach UFA unless we are a consensus top 4 to win the Cup – Otherwise sign em or ship em.
    7. At equal talent, thou shalt draft a local boy
    8. Thou shalt never assume the League will change its stripes and suddenly favour small skilled players who are generally nice guys at the expense of large thugs
    9. Thou shalt never ship off a talented player (no matter how much of a ****head he is) for some two bit loser who will never measure up – especially within the Division or Conference
    10. Thou shalt never let Boston win another Cup… ever!

    I think that about covers it. Please feel free to amend.

    • Le Jadester says:

      Perhaps I could add one more ?

      THou shall put a restraining order on JM to never be allowed to go at least 5 KM near the shrine we call “au Centre du Bell”. In fact, he must also stay away from the Forum too. Who knows, he could do something to bug the ghosts there as well ? Mabey all of downtwon Montreal would be sufficient.

      Habs, OLE !

  62. adamkennelly says:

    I don’t get it. why not make the change now? if (and likely when) we lose the next 3 games – it really will be over…then what? this has gone on longer than these 8 games – this team stunk in the pre-season – when believe it or not, the team is still actually trying to win and we couldn’t get it done. bad personnel decisions, terrible special teams, lack of passion – how many more signs do you need to know this coach – and GM – need to go. I would call up Schultz, Henry and Conboy for these 3 games and at least try to make sure we don’t get beat up on top of losing. Put Darche in Pax spot and have a 4th line of Schultz, new guy and Bluden..then have Emelin and Henry on the blue line in place of Gorges who needs a rest and Diaz.

    • Say Ash says:

      Schultz, Noka-new-guy, Bluden, Emelin and Henry. You wouldn’t even have to give them sticks.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      I think we have a 5 day gap after these next 3 games, if we don’t win two of them, the locks will get changed on the locker where JM keeps his note pads.

      As for Max’s ligament, a ligament is worse than a break. I have a torn ligament in my left thumb and it ain’t healing, even with one of those car pool tunnel things on it. Granted I’m old and cranky, but still, this is just another adversity we don’t need.

  63. kerrgte says:

    george kerr

  64. Habsrule1 says:

    I’d like to see a coaching change. I don’t think JM is a bad coach but I think his system is no longer working and we need a change. I personally like a coach that shows more passion and communicates with his players more. I wonder how this team would look with Patrick Roy as coach and a couple of assistants like Chris Nilan & Larry Robinson. How often did those guys get pushed around?

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  65. Ian Cobb says:

    Wiznewski played over 27 minutes last night to help his team win, he was awesome! But he cannot play for Martin.

    • slamtherimtim says:

      man , like salt in a wound

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I think there gonna make us wait another week before JM is let go. They will use the days off next week to revamp the “system”.

      @jimlaplante

    • RetroMikey says:

      Yup. Wiz and Hamrlik would have helped us more than signing a fragile Russian DMan who will never play the same once he comes back from injury.
      We blew it.
      Just wish Gauthier would admit the mistakes they have made so far and Bob Gainey as well.
      We all know the coach is always the first to go but what happens next if Martin is let go?
      Will the Habs play better?
      I say no. We just are not good enough and remember, Price kept us in many games last year and we would not be in the playoff if it were not sollid goaltending from him and some good D support in Hamrlik and Wiz down the stretch.
      I don’t know about everyone else, but I am very emotionally sad and very depreseed if not angry what is going on with our once proud franchise.
      “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

      • Cardiac says:

        While I agree with regards to Hamrlik, we blew signing a one-dimensional defenseman for $6 million? Uh huh…

        “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
        - Jerry Maguire

    • Cardiac says:

      But Ian, does he deserve the money Columbus is paying him? What if the Habs signed him to $6 million?

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      - Jerry Maguire

    • dh says:

      Apparently neither could Halpern, Moore, Metropolit… I don’t get why we needed to let any of these guys go. I would have signed Hammer as well. I don’t see how this year is such an upgrade over last year. Is this the GM or the coach?

      As for the coach, I think that we don’t have a team to play JM’s system. I hate seeing Cammy playing defense. His scoring is going to take a beating just like Pleks.

      It’s probably worse due to the injuries on D but shouldn’t a good coach change his “system” when circumstances require it?

      • LA Loyalist says:

        A good coach adjusts to the team he has. Pat Burns was successful with 3 different teams.

        Martin is a one trick dinosaur. A 3rd rate CFL defensive coach who plays “prevent” – yeah, let’s “prevent” winning.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Ian I don’t think Wiz not being resigned had anything to do with JM. We let him go for salary cap reasons. JM had no problem playing him last year.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Ian, Wiz is never going to live up to his contract, that was the issue. Team is already dealing with the Gomez contract and it is a handicap for them. No need to do it again.

      JM used him a lot, the issue is his defensive talents don’t match his offensive talents. That and his knee’s had three ACL operations.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

  66. Chrisadiens says:

    Since my predictions are always spot on….
    4-1 Philly
    Its gonna be ugly tonight. Phillys forecheck is really impressive and they will destroy our weak defense. Call your bookies.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  67. HabFanSince72 says:

    One meme that has spread through the sports media is that firing Martin (+/- Gauthier) would be “panicking” after a slow start.

    It is two years of poor performance that ought to doom the undynamic duo. Martin has been awful from day one. That he rode Jaro to a couple of playoff upsets doesn’t change that.

    Consider that Dagostini, Sergei K, and Latendresse would all lead the Habs in scoring right now. Three players he ran out of town.

    Consider his non-reaction after Claude Julien sent his goons out to beat up Habs’ non-fighters.

    etc etc ….

    • tbovs says:

      Really…rode halak…really….I remember some deft coaching with match ups and effective use of timeouts…but hey … your right…i bet he said…i don’t know anything…jaro go out and make lots of saves….What aboutthe great job of boxing out the D did…what bout the timely scoring…what about the percentage shots that came from the outside….I mean it really doesn’t matterwhat you say I guess or me as well. JM’s record speaks for itself…sorry to burst your bubble…by the way….Guy…1g, Matt…2g, Sergei….4g…so to let you know…no they wouldn’t be leading the team in scoring…but nice try.

      • Ali says:

        actually it’s been confirmed from multiple sources that Martin coached us to a 1-3 deficit, and it was not until then that he let Muller have some input into his bench management. Muller told him to stop using MAB as a regular dman and to use him only on the PP (thats why his minutes plunged after game 4), promote Moen to the Gomez/Gionta line to get his experience more ice time, and match up Gill/Gorges vs Ovie, and things took off from there.

        Martin is a terrible in-game coach, he cannot make adjustments, and is terrible at defensive matchups (never uses his best faceoff man for big draws, both Moore and Halpern were heavily under utilized). For a guy who prides himself on good defensive teams thats inexcusable.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      You think with less of a defensive approach here, there aren’t players on Montreal who could outscore those guys?

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

  68. The Pickle says:

    Ya-ku-pov! Ya-ku-pov! Ya-ku-pov!

  69. JF says:

    It’s becoming apparent that the pre-season, which we kept assuring each other meant nothing, was not so meaningless after all. The disturbing trends we saw in those games – inability to score, inability to defend, inability to stop the puck – were not simply the result of a lineup heavy on AHL talent but an accurate reflection of the state of this team. Budaj was solid last game, but Price has struggled so far, and mistakes on defence have cost us games. It doesn’t help that our special teams are among the worst in the League. The powerplay showed signs of life last game, but we desperately need the strong penalty-killing we’ve been able to rely on the last few years.

    But the defence wasn’t really the problem last game. Yes, there were mistakes, but there are always going to be mistakes. You just don’t expect every single one of them to end up in the back of your net. Our main problem is offence. During the off-season we thought that the addition of Erik Cole and the return of Max Pacioretty would solve our even-strength scoring problem, but this hasn’t been the case. In the five games in which we didn’t score 4 or more goals, we’ve scored a grand total of 4 – that’s less than a goal a game. Needless to say, you don’t win many games scoring at that rate. The fact that our leading scorer is Travis Moen tells us there’s a lot wrong. It’s not even that we’re staying on the perimeter. The guys are going to the net, they’re creating good chances. It’s not even that we’ve faced hot goaltenders, although we have. There’ve been chances that we haven’t cashed. When the goaltender is down, we have to find a way to get the puck over him rather than into him. When a player breaks in alone, he has to go for a corner rather than put the puck squarely into the goaltender’s mid-section. It sounds elementary, but somehow we’re not doing it. People like to blame JM’s defensive system, but I’m seeing a lot of missed chances.

    I’m afraid that if the Flyers score early tonight, the team will simply fold.

    • tbovs says:

      Honestly…I would be putting price at the bottom of my list of concerns. The fact that you have said he has struggled isn’t entirely true…stats say yes but reality says its not his fault. He has kept us in games as long as he can but when you can’t score and the other team is getting 2 on 1′s and deflections galore on the PowerPlay…not too many goalies are gonna do better if at all. First of all…players are not stupdi…in the sense that they know not to shoot the puck into a goalies chest i.e. they are playing in the NHL for a reason..NOT U. Second of all I agree that there has been missed chance after missed chance. No one ESPECIALLY pleks has been bearing down. The defence has been god aweful…missing assignments …. missed clearing chances..bad passes…you could have Bill Durnen in net and it aint gonna matter. Bottom line….defence sucks, forwards are snake bitten…but not stupid as you imply with the old shooting it into the goalies chest idea i would love to see what Cammalleri would say tothat…, Injuries to our best or importtant players…..WE MISS RYAN WHITE.

      • JF says:

        I didn’t mean to imply that the forwards are stupid. I don’t think they are. But it seems that they miss a disproportionate number of chances. When a team has as much trouble scoring as we do, they’ve got to find a way to bury those chances. We’ve also been a bit unlucky, like the early whistle last game on what should have been a goal. What I find the most discouraging is the fact that when we absolutely dominate another team for an entire period but fail to score, as in the first period against Buffalo, we invariably lose the game.

        As for Price, I think he would be the first to agree he has to be better. His numbers speak for themselves. Not that he’s been terrible, except against Colorado. But he has to be able to bail his defence out sometimes. In a game in which the team scores 4 goals, as we did against Toronto, he has to find a way to make that one save that will win the game. Of course, we were unlucky in that one too, in that the fourth Leaf goal shouldn’t have counted. But still… I’m not saying the team is playing terribly. They haven’t been, except in the Pittsburgh game, and in most games they’ve been in it till the end. Also, there were encouraging signs last game – the powerplay was more dangerous and I think the defence is improving. But we have to score, and the goaltending has to be rock-solid.

  70. Defender of the Faith says:

    Lost in Translation?
    Note to Pierre Gauthier:
    When the faithful complain about a dearth of scoring at key moments you go out and acquire Nokelainen. We meant a lack of F-I-N-I-S-H, not F-I-N-N-I-S-H.

  71. terrier92 says:

    Here is hoping the Canadians get there act together and make playoffs. Of course that is after the Bruins beat them twice this week. I enjoy nothing more than a B’s -Canadaians playoff series.

    Go Bruins

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Habs will get their act together. they’ve actually been in just about every game, and didn’t get the bounces. They could easily have 3-5 wins. The bad luck ends soon.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • CanadienBoy says:

      Kyle is right on to what with all been saying so is HH no more just making the playoff time for new management teams to do a big cleanup because Gaineys did not work

    • nunacanadien says:

      We should just ask Gauthier to concede the rest of the season, fire the whole team ala Gilette rebuild style and start fresh, of course we keep Price and waste time on Markov again. I would also keep Subban, MaxPac, but hey if Gil is too expensive get rid of him. We also need a coach who will let the superstars shine and do their thing.

  72. Habs_4_ever says:

    This is our “Curse of the Bambino”. I’m thinking we could call it the Curse Of The Saint Patrick.

    ————————
    “That’s the save of the year and it’s not even the year yet!”

  73. Laramy87 says:

    Heard a stat yesterday on the radio tha since the lockout there have been 8 teams with 4 or fewer points and the 8 game mark, and only one team went on to make the playoffs. That doesn’t bode well for us.

    However I believe most of those teams were in rebuild mode. Like pens and flyers before they were good. When ppl are alreayd talkinng about a lost season 8 games in, clearly need a smack. A couple wins and we are right back there.

    • nunacanadien says:

      A couple of wins and we are back in the middle of the pack….where we only win enough to keep the media happy and close enough to make it look like we’ll go to the playoffs. The Molsons don’t want a stanley cup. If the owners don’t care about winning, why bother to b*tch and complain about the team they assemble or the management they bring in?

  74. pmaraw says:

    wow wow wow people actually clicked yes on that poll??? 8 games of epic failure, the team wasnt ready for the start of the season, still isnt ready, no changes are coming, and we’re gonna make the playoffs?

    • HardHabits says:

      The results would be the same if the question was:

      After their slow start, do you think the Canadiens can still win the Stanley Cup this season?

      • bel33 says:

        I’m looking for the “no” button on your comment to vote on your question.
        Actually the “hell no” button if things don’t change dramatically with results, team, management etc.

        • HardHabits says:

          I can’t see how a team can win a Cup with this gaggle of inexperienced PeeWees and Midgets.

          I don’t mind a rebuild. I don’t mind a few losing seasons to get things right.

          Experience has shown us that making the play-offs as the last seed keeps us from going deep in the play-offs and also keeps us from drafting high. Add to that the constant wasting of picks on rentals and the loss of the few decent draft picks the Habs do select for nothing.

          Yes the Habs have made some good trades. But for every good trade they have made a very bad one. The Habs cannot afford to make any mistakes on the trade front with their habit of trading picks for rentals, especially when they draft less often than many other teams. The Habs had one top 5 finish since last the won the Cup. The only reason for recent success has been solely and wholly on the backs of outstanding and at times otherworldly goal-tending.

          I make no apologies for bemoaning the fact that there has are no game breakers in our organization. The Habs have are not deep. They are not rugged. They are not that skilled or fast either.

          IMO, this record is indicative of this team’s actual potential. Half the Cap is tied up Markov, Cole, Plex, Cammy, Gionta and Gomez. 33 million right there.

          If you asked me I’d trade this whole team for Colorado’s roster.

          • gerrybell says:

            the habs have made some good trades? name one.

            every trade we make i feel we are always giving up the best player in the deal. and most times, the player or players we get are gone a season later leaving us with nothing in return. two examples would be Benny Pouliot for Gui Lat deal and the Sergie Kostityn deal for Ellis. dont even get me started on the Gomez deal.

            Whether it was Gainey or Gauthier, most of thier deals have been (as Charles Barkely would say) turrible.

            looking up and down our lineup right now most, if not all players were either drafted or signed as UFA’s. i understand that trades are made tp move away uesless salary so UFA’s can be signed – but at some point you have to make a good deal.

            I think the only trade we have every won was the Josh Georges deal. The Halak for Eller deal could payoff in the future but i am still biter we didnt get more. Eller, + a Dman and a 4th line grinder/energy guy would have been nice.

            g
            b

    • Chris says:

      As of this morning, the Habs have not yet been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Therefore, the only correct answer is that the Habs can still make the playoffs. :)

    • Habsrule1 says:

      This just in:
      The NHL regular season has 82 games in it.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Sharks9 says:

      What if we managed to win the next 3 games? We’d be 4-5-2.

      It’s still possible, unlikely, but possible.

      25 before 14

  75. Habsrule1 says:

    Any team can beat any other on any night. If our record was 5-2-1 nobody would care that who we beat. I’m not saying they have played great but a few of those game could have went either way.
    I am also not totally against getting a new coach in here. I think JM’s system is wearing a little thin.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  76. HardHabits says:

    You could always change your handle to Habologist1

    Of all the poster’s heads here, yours is the one that is most firmly rooted in the sand. Wake up man.

    This team couldn’t go deep in the 4 AHL play-offs series let alone in the NHL.

  77. Habsrule1 says:

    Sorry Hh. I didn’t realize that if someone does not agree with you it’s cause their head is in the sand. Perhaps it’s because I’ve watched every game and noticed that we haven’t played all that badly. Of course shots stats mean nothing to you. I’m not saying they played great, but they played better than their record shows. I’m not even saying they shouldn’t shake things up. I think they need a coach with more enthusiasm and communication. I also see that the defense is depleted and that Price needs to be a little better.
    I also know there are 82 games in a season and this team can still get back on track.
    If that means my head is in the sand, and you’re all-knowing, so be it.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  78. G-Man says:

    I don’t know too many idiots who’ve made a living coaching for over 25 years, and are very well paid to do it.
    jl for Habs coach. C’mon, you’re obviously so talented. Get Johnny Bellyful to be your assistant and HardHabits to be the GM, since he has a handle on what to do. There, the good ship Hab all fixed.

    Frankly, I hope the unrelenting repeated gibbering stops when the Habs turn it around.

  79. G-Man says:

    I have every right to be here as you. You can skip what I write, but you’re reactionary. Exactly the kind of person who is NOT GM material, but rag on, jl. You’re amusing.

  80. Chrisadiens says:

    SmartDog for GM. JohnBelly for coach. It has already been decided. :)

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  81. kempie says:

    I think he has a point here G. That being that JM is surely not an idiot because he has coached well over 1,000 games and is well over .500. That doesn’t happen accidentally. However the tactics now being employed by our coach are clearly those of an idiot.

    So, either Martin recently slipped in the shower and smacked his pumpkin real good or he wants his pink slip. Stepping down = no $$$$. Being fired = I still get paid.

    Otherwise, I’m at a loss to explain things like the Cole hate, Darche pp time, Emelin at forward, Plex at the point, asinine line scrambling TMMOTI penalties, chewing out rookie reporters etc.

  82. Habfan10912 says:

    Does johnbelly speak French? Also would like to see Burl in the mix somewhere.

  83. Chrisadiens says:

    Burl for President.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  84. HabinBurlington says:

    Far too kind, but unless German as a weak 2nd language qualifies for Bilingual I am toast.

  85. nickster13 says:

    well said, sums up my feelings very well

  86. Danno says:

    I find it really funny that Martin is called the Count when he is the king of too-many-men-on-the-ice penalties.

    ________________________________________

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  87. swannyboy says:

    Muller had the room and the players respect and they let him go,JM has neither

  88. G-Man says:

    No Cole hate. JM is increasing his TOI incrementally. Darche actually stands in front of the net, not off to the boards somewhere. Pleks at the point because he is one of the team’s premier passers. emelin at forward until Palushaj was called up. Too many men penalties are…the players’ fault. They should know who they are replacing on the ice. Chewing out rookie reporters? Good. Besides, it appears none have the balls to ask any tough questions.

  89. showey47 says:

    good to know,thanks.

  90. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    To trade him now would be an error in my mind unless there was a scoring winger or center coming back. We can’t afford to give up goal scorers at this point.

  91. shiram says:

    JM aims to scrape into the playoffs, and PG seems fine with it.
    But scraping in means a few bad bounces and you are not making the dance. Not making the dance means Molson does not get extra revenue. So of course they are always buyers, always trying to make sure they make the playoffs, but never really aiming further than making it in.
    I don’t think it’s worthwhile to make trades now, but if it’s looking bad at the trade deadline, try to get some picks from some of the vets on the team, definately try to trade DD.

    Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

  92. eric says:

    Picking up free agents doesn’t work. Ask the rangers.

  93. eric says:

    He’s wingers say he’s a good center. You think Gomez would be better? No body puts up pts with gomez

  94. bleedhabs81 says:

    Sorry Shiram, I will have to disagree with you on your assesment (at least with the statement about not aming any further than making it in).

    They Max out the cap (therefore Molson is invested as much as he can in players). Your right that they need to make the playoffs (so Geoff can make some money) but to say the organization is only satisfied with one round is absurd.

    The organization, and the Molson’s, would benefit from going deep. As such, I think this is their goal…. unfortunately, this goal is always at the expense of not missing the playoffs (because this scenario is unthinkable). So, they trade away assests to ensure that they can make it in. Then they hope like hell that they can get hot and go deep (without the necessary talent or depth).

    It sucks…. but I am kind of glad that I get at least one round of playoffs to watch every year.

  95. shiram says:

    No skater would out right say his center sucks, more so in MTL.
    Gomez on third line duty might do better against weaker opposition.
    But DD and Gomez are not key for me, it’s Eller, and he needs to play to get better, and not on the wing, he’s our only center with size that is not an energy guy.

    Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

  96. shiram says:

    JM aims for 96 points, and that’s scraping into the playoffs, not really a desirable situation.
    Yea one round of playoff is better than none, but when does it become about more than just making the playoffs, it just seems to me the coach is trying to protect his job, and his way of doing that is by making the playoffs. I guess I just feel the goal should be more than that for a team spending the cap.

    So to be clear, it’s not the org that only wants to make the playoffs, but making the playoffs is JM’s goal.

    Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

  97. zak says:

    I don’t know if you’ve watched all the games but the guys playing with DD get scoring chances.

    Hire the best regardless of language


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