No blockbusters among Habs’ trade-deadline deals

Michel Larocque

Habs goalie Bunny Larocque defends his net against Toronto’s Darryl Sittler during a 1970s game at the Forum.
Denis Brodeur, NHLI via Getty Images

The Canadiens have made 16 deals on NHL’s trade-deadline day since the process began in 1980, beginning in 1981 with goaltender Michel (Bunny) Larocque to Toronto for defenceman Robert Picard.

Here’s today’s story about the Habs trade-deadline history. Read on for the complete list to refresh your memory…


  1. third generation haber says:

    too much negativity here!

    We will add a big piece to the puzzle at this year’s draft, and return with a healthy line-up next season.

    We will, in all likelihood:

    -send Gomez to the minors (freeing up 7mil in cap!)
    -add 2-3 UFA’s (2 experienced defence and an offensive forward)
    -Have Blunden, White, and Geoffrion banging bodies for a full year.
    -Shed some dead weight: Campoli, Nokia, and Kaberle (I can drea can’t I?)
    -add a year of experience to our young guys.
    -add a year of experieince to our bull-dogs.
    -Have a full-time coaching staff in place.
    -Come-in with lower expectations.
    -have a few months to recover from the mental fatigue of dealing with the media circus this season has been.

    We wouldn’t be the first team to bounce back from a disasterous season (Philly/ N.J.). I think we will surprise a lot of teams next year, as long as we don’t overreact to one bad season.
    Go Habs go!!!
    j.p. murray

  2. Timo says:

    Wow, not a SINGLE good trade.

  3. joeybarrie says:

    I have seen so many back and forths here.
    Also there are CONSTANT posts that have been said time and time again. Its astonishing to me, in fact some of the same things have been said by the same posters in the same way for so long, it might be in an encyclopedia by now.
    Picking on the same old players simply because of their contract or the decision to keep them over someone else.
    So many solutions to our problem.
    So many expert ideas.

    So I simply ask you to remember. I know how we are when we are down. We lose and the world is ending and its a fire sale. We win and its great and these guys have been under rated all season.

    With all that being said, I would like to offer some of my opinion.

    Carey Price is an excellent goaltender. He is not Patrick Roy (but then again who is). But he is better than Halak, and better than most goalies in the NHL. Plus he is only going to get better.

    AK is a 20-25 goal scorer. Always will be. He takes night off, and expects it to come easily. When he is on he is great. When he is off he floats. If he is traded or signs with another team, he will have a 30 goal season. New environment, new team mates, new AK. Then he will go back to 20-25 goals a season and get overpaid slightly for it. Everyone will blame their usual suspects for why we messed up with him, then it will die down. Look at his brother.

    Kaberle is a good offensive defenceman. He is experienced but can be a liability. On this team his mistakes outweighs his production cause the rest of our PP players suck right now. What we lack is someone on the point who can shoot and actually hit the net. PK is not that guy. Therefore the rest of our PP is easily played against and easily shut down. If and when we have other more solid D back there, Kaberle will produce more and be less of a liability. He can bring a lot to our team. But relying on him as a top 4 shut down D is what is killing him right now.

    PK is playing too many minutes and is not able to play his game. He is still young, makes mistakes and right now we are relying on him too heavily. He can’t hit the net to save the life of this team. He is still not the player we think he is. Not yet.

    Getting rid of Gomez will be the best thing to happen to this team. That being said, he is a great player and if he was playing to his capability we would be very lucky to have him on board, he bring a lot. But people can’t see past his contract and pile the pressure on so high he is not able to get out from under it. But he is no where near worth his hit, and we can do so much better with his cap space.

    We need Markov. If you think anything specific about his recovery or injury I’m betting you are more wrong than right. Cause they aren’t saying anything, really.

    We need Gio. Cause Boone is right. Without 2 of our most important players we do not have 2 top lines.

    Markov, PK, Gorges, Kaberle, Gio, Cole, MaxPac, DD, Pleks, Bourque, Eller, LeBlanc, and Price…. This is a pretty good core. If they are all healthy, play 70+ games each and we follow them up with guys like Moen, Darche, White and Emelin. Well we will be looking good.
    And right now…………. Top 5 draft pick. Woo Hoo.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Gomez hasn’t been a great player in about 3 years.

      And we don’t need Gio. He’s an ok 2nd or 3rd line guy, and if we have to have a Smurf ™ I’d rather have DD. Can’t have 2 in the modern age.

      We need a stud #1 male center and whatever heads have to roll to get him I don’t care, Price included.

      I’m over giving up the first goal in every freaking game and losing most of the shoot outs. You can say that’s not on the goalie, but 80%-90% of the time it is.

      Sorry to pee on your imaginary parade.

      • JimBob says:

        I would go one step further and say that Gomez had one great season.

        Yes, one.

        Since then, he’s done nothing impressive in the league.

      • punkster says:

        Ya, sure, you just hate peeing on other viewpoints. By the way, ever watch a Habs shootout?

        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Dave it is almost golf weather here in Southern Ontario, I may beat the Habs to the tee blocks this year!

          • punkster says:

            After the snow storm we just had, and are still having, I don’t expect to see a blade of grass here for months. Soon time for a trip back to the home land I’m thinkin’.

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I will clean out the barn and have a room ready for you 🙂

        • LA Loyalist says:

          Yeah, and I was a goalie for many years in my ute. The goalie has a slight advantage in shoot-outs because the shooter HAS to do something while in motion.

          The goalie can give a hole and take it away, if he’s quick. You watch the center of the guys chest and don’t get distracted by the moves.

          I can’t tell you why Price is so bad in shoot-outs, he shouldn’t be, but the numbers are the numbers.

          • Old Bald Bird says:

            It seems to me he’s been much better in the last three times.

          • punkster says:

            Is it just remotely possible that reason Habs don’t win shootouts is because they don’t, uh…how do I put this…score? Like better that the 23% rate the have this year in the SO?

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • HardHabits says:

            @punskter: on this point I am definitely in agreement.

      • joeybarrie says:

        Trade the team away for 1 of maybe 10 guys in the league, never gonna happen.
        Second simply by saying smurf you make your argument useless. Also, saying this team doesn’t need its captain? Ridiculous.
        look at the stats for shootouts. Let me explain something very very difficult to understand. You need to score in order to win them. By the way, the same thing goes for games. How many times were we shut out at home this season… Goals against we are in the top half of the league. Goals for, bottom half. Shootout scoring, 24th in the league. Or let me dumb in down. Our players missed 30 shots. Our goalies let in 21. No other team in the league missed more penalty shots. 14 other teams let in the same amount or more… Right keep blaming the goalie genius.

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      “Also there are CONSTANT posts that have been said time and time again. Its astonishing to me, in fact some of the same things have been said by the same posters in the same way for so long, it might be in an encyclopedia by now.”

      Welcome to the Internet. Where disinformation magically becomes fact if repeated enough times. Although yeah it is getting quite tiresome here.

      Still waiting on the standard “ignore user” button that most forums have.

    • HardHabits says:

      It is impossible to determine who is better, Price or Halak. I think they are of the same level both with much still to prove. Who is better, Roy, Hasek or Brodeur? All are great. To me all three are in the Pantheon of Goaltending greatness. Neither Halak or Price are yet but both could be one day. To say Price is better is as false as saying Halak is better.

      AK is what you say he is. If the Habs can get a 1st round pick I say pull the trigger.

      Kaberle is awful, plain and simple. His meagre points production is not worth his piss poor defensive zone play.

      You are correct about PK.

      The NHL game has left the Scott Gomez station.

      If Markov can come back next season a la Teemu Selanne great. If not the Habs will have to learn to get by without him. Fast.

      Gio should be dangled next trade deadline if the Habs are not in contention. The Habs don’t need Gio. if he can score 25-25-50 then he will be damn useful. If he not he is easily replaceable but not easily movable.

      Your core is OK minus Kablerle. I’d like to see Moen back if he can’t garner a pick by the deadline. There are still many pieces missing and I don’t see a rebound next season either. Don’t forget there will be a realignment coming that could make the Habs play-off hopes even more improbable.

  4. boonie says:

    Mckenzie reports Wolski to Florida.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Not sure what happened to this guy, good buddy of mine watched him in Brampton and he seemed like real quality kid. He has been traded multiple times with much talk of his attitude along the way. Extremely talented.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Gerald – Wolski floats like a butterfly but doesn’t sting like a bee.

        Rangers must be clearing out cap space for another move.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I agree Steve, just not sure when he transformed into the floater. Hard worker growing up, parents were immigrants to Canada, really hard working family. Yah Rangers getting set to finish the Nash trade.

  5. twilighthours says:

    True story: my wife just passed me our 8 month old son. She dressed him in a canadiens shirt. I said “he’s not wearing that out of the house.”

    He then threw up all over himself. All over his shirt.

    How fitting.

  6. Ian Cobb says:

    Starting with a MOLLY MAID house cleaning from the top management down!

    There are only Price, Cole, Subban, Pacioretty, Gorges, Gionta, Emilin, Desharnais, White, Eller, Blunden and Darche that are worth keeping.!

    Now we have to find at least 12 kids or players that can play at this level by next year.!!!!!!

    If we don’t find the very best GM that money can buy, we will be watching crap hockey for years to come.

    We have one of the very best scouting teams in the league. But what good is drafting quality, if you don’t have management and coaches that can develop them.

    Senator H. Molson must be turning over in his grave!

    • joeybarrie says:

      Its astonishing that after one bad season where Pleks has gotten the short end of every stick, how quickly we all forget how much he has done for this team. How quickly the fans have turned on him, and how no one has any use for him so quickly. As soon as next season hits and he start to again be on the top of this teams production, everyone will love him again and forget all about how they ditched him and called him useless.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      what does the Quebec government make you call “Molly Maid”? “Les Femmes de Perdition du Molly”? C’est un question reasonable, mais non?

  7. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    THANK GOD we fired Jacques Martin, that French wimp.
    THANK GOD we were willing to hire anglo Randy.
    THANK GOD he is so good at motivating our players and developing the youth.
    THANK GOD his brand of hockey is SO EXCITING to watch.

    …Face it, JM bashers, while the guy wasn’t the best coach in the league, he got the absolute most out of whatever bums the team iced. He has the track record elsewhere to prove it, he has the track record HERE to prove it. Where would we be in the standings if he wasn’t fired? Impossible to know, but unless they were planning on adding the BJ’s or the Coyotes to QC in the East before the season ends, rest assured we wouldn’t be any lower in the standings.

    But the spiteful Queen-loving, culturally blind frog-giggers among us will continue to 1) Blame the bilingual coach for ruining youth, with no evidence; 2) Blame the French media and ‘language police’ for hurting Randy’s feelings and distracting him so that the team lost 6 or 7 games in a row after he took the reigns; 3) Blame the bilingual GM (who, yes, DOES have shortcomings) for setting the team into disarray by being so unprofessional for daring to do anything without providing every single detail and reason why, how, when etc etc.

    While he is seemingly a nice guy, I will go ahead and do the unthinkable and call out Mr. Ian Cobb for what may be intended as non-malicious but nevertheless transparent disdain and hostility toward Québec and francophones. I see it way too often, in fact its almost daily, and the fact that someone gets away with it for being a sweet grandpa character is almost as ridiculous as the statements themselves. I don’t like to single one out when there are hundreds, but don’t join the crew if you won’t wear the tattoo. It’s the need to be French holding us back, he and so many say.

    What is there to say about Lord Cunneyworth and his fresh and thrilling style and contagious energy now? Nothing, because it never existed. This team is of the same style now as it was before, only the results are somehow worse and the play is lazier and less inspired than ever. But yes, less French-speak.

    So why the rant… well we’ve spent the whole season slandering and discrediting people’s professional abilities, moral character and uprightness, and general value to sport and society based on their French-ness, so why not evaluate these wild assertions? And no, the francos are NOT guilty of the same in expecting someone to SPEAK French in a given job. It is the many ignorant here who in fact denigrate the French based on their ethnicity and origin. That they are simply able to speak English is not, in turn, good enough for us here to tolerate them as well.

    No, Randy should not be asked to come back; not if he takes an immersion course, not if he parachutes into Kinshasa and scrapes his way to communicability while rescuing baby gorillas in the black market pet-trade; not if he joins the Foreign Legion and leads a one-man bayonet charge against Ahmadinejad and the Republican Guard; not if he is struck in the head with a puck and suddenly recites the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen and the Code Civil in French and Corsican at the same time because…

    …because he is as sh!tty a coach as any midget-musher you can dig up between Chicoutimi and Gaspé and back again.

    *deep breaths*

    • The Dude says:

      Thank-god for CanadiensFanTrapedinNiagraFallsNY …That was per-fact!

    • habs_54321 says:

      firing JM was the worst thing management could have done at the time JM was the glue that was holding a very undertalented team together.

      • CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:


        We can’t and have not been able to score goals! Somehow he won games, and they blamed him for weak offense, even though he has a history of coaching high scoring teams.

        This year the team fires him, lo and behold, we still can’t score goals and now we can’t play defense either.

        How did they expect him to win a Cup?

    • LA Loyalist says:

      I know you’re depressed about losing the Maid in the Mist, but come on.

      Not liking RC doesn’t make JM good. Put the blame where it belongs: on the Head Cheese (Goat), who should have turfed Martin after the Choke-a-thon otherwise known as games 3 and 4 of last years playoffs against Boston, when certain other potential solutions were still on the table.

      To focus on RC is to entirely miss the point. The guy is in an impossible lame duck situation. The house should have been fumigated over the summer, and it wasn’t, so we’ve lost a year (and a damn painful year, at that) for nothing.

      Put the blame where it belongs. And finish high-school so you can learn basic logic, because your argument is as lame as Markov’s knees.

      P.S. I did admire “Midget Musher” though.

      • 24 Cups says:

        LAL – A point of information, if I may. The Maid of the Mist still remains on the American side, it’s only on the Canadian side that a new contract was awarded:-)

        As for Cunneyworth, I agree with you that he was put in an impossible spot. God help him as he faces the last twenty games of the season.

        There’s a lot more to the Hab’s demise than just a coaching change. I look forward to a total management house cleaning come April 7th.

        • LA Loyalist says:

          We went last year, it really does need an upgrade, not so much the boat but the whole parking, elevators, people-flow thing, but I’m glad we did it. I told my wife NFalls used to be the big honey-moon deal but she looked around and I don’t think she believed me.

      • CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

        I am 27 years old, and half through a master’s of education degree… so let me practice that teaching thing…

        In what world would it be acceptable to fire a coach who went to the ECF, beating the defending SC champs and the Pres Trophy winners in the process with a team that was not expected to make the playoffs one year, then lost in 7 games and 3 OTs to the Stanley Cup Champions to-be?

        Never mind that, I think the flaw is that you don’t get what my main argument is… simply that we gained nothing by firing him, only lost a capable coach to replace him with someone who is currently completely incapable. and countless people here wanted to attack the french meda for criticizing him… turns out he sucks, and i dont give a damn about the situation, the team GOT WORSE. Whether he is a lame duck or not, you would expect he is giving it his all in hopes of earning a real NHL job, maybe here in Buffalo. But he won’t, cuz he sucks.

        Americans – mostly dumb, but not all of us.

        • boonie says:

          Same world that fired Carbon after finishing first (a more statistically impressive feat).

          • CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

            He was not fired in the offseason after finishing first, which is what LA is saying should have been done to JM…

            Despite a weak playoff run, he coached almost an entire year more. Thanks for checking in, though.

        • Ian Cobb says:

          27 and still learning! Good for you! Sure hope you receive some more real life experience’s before you start teaching young people what you think you know! Live it first, then you will be a much more rounded teacher my friend.

        • LA Loyalist says:

          Luckily all the good stuff is in the last half 🙂

          My point is logic. That rat poison is bad to eat doesn’t make snake poison good to eat. That’s all.

          It’s quite logical based on performance to conclude that JM and RC are both bad, along with many of the players and, in my opinion, management.

          We have a freaking train wreck on our hands.

          That said, I am very reluctant to judge RC harshly, even if he deserves it, because he is not only in an impossible situation, he was publicly labeled “lame duck” by PG, which still astounds me. How can he have any authority over the players? It doesn’t matter how hard he tries, he has to have buy-in and the authority to get it. How can he have that.

          Even Gainey couldn’t get it going with all his stature and credibility during his interim coaching stints (I’m not being facetious).

          I’ll give you a bad analogy, it’s the only one I can think of just now. When you manage people in a job, as I have (and been managed) you have power.

          When you manage volunteers like in a charity (as I have) you have very little power because they are freaking volunteers and you can’t yell at them. Or in your case, here in LA, anyway, we have many sh*t teachers because their union is so strong you can’t fire anyone.

          That’s all. If RC had been (rightly or wrongly) been give a contract for next year also, he would have gotten a lot more attention from our millionaires. That’s human nature. Is it fair? Not often.

          • CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

            I just think he is a worse coach. His decision making is worse, and the play is worse. We have less bench minors. That is all.

        • HabsFan82 says:

          working on a master’s of education that’s great but it don’t make you a Hockey expert.

          • CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

            omg, how ignorant. I WAS ACCUSED OF BEING IN HIGH SCHOOL SO I CORRECTED THE RECORD. I never said I was a hockey expert and said very little about the technicalities of hockey to begin with.

            I am qualified to teach you how to read, wanna learn?

    • ed lopaz says:

      Martin’s “track record” speaks for itself.

      I am not willing to wait until 2037 to see if he can coach another 25 years without winning a single thing in hockey.

      The last time Martin won anything was….1986 Memorial Cup.

      In 12 NHL seasons as a head coach, he won nothing, ever, not a thing.

      His playoff record is a pathetic .446, with 50 wins and 62 losses.

      There is a reason he was fired.

      Its not because posters on HIO thought he was a bad coach.

      Its because he was evaluated by his superiors and found lacking.

      • CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

        He was fired because it seemed the team was under-performing. Apparently, the truth is it is under-staffed, at least in terms of talented, capable scorers and defenders. Basically, a whole team.

        • LA Loyalist says:

          Sigh. As per my logic argument above. Your facts are not mutually exclusive. We had a bad coach AND a lot of bad players, ergo a bad team.

          • CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

            I am just saying one coach was worse than the other. You can justifiably let him off by saying he cant get the players to buy in because he is a lame duck. I say he should be able get them to buy in because he should get the point across that ‘hey just because my ass is grass doesnt mean you shouldnt wanna win today’.

            Easier said than done, maybe. But his in-game decisions are incompetent too, so why not consider that maybe he doesnt know what hes doing in general.

      • habs_54321 says:

        he coached a team that on paper should have been in lottery pick category to the conference finals. sure halak was brilliant but do you really think it was ONLY because of halak we made it that far in the postseason? our coach out coached washingtons coach and even pittsburghs coach as they could not come up with a way to break montreals structure, i would even say we outcoached boston last year in the first round but just didn’t have the horses to win the race (we had an excellent driver in JM but we was driving a honda civic against a well fueled lambourgini

    • Ian Cobb says:

      TO Canadian Fan trapped in N,Y.

      You can call me out all you want, my wife is francophone, I grew up in Quebec, from Quebec, I worked for the Hab’s for three years as a kid. All my kids are bilingual and I love the French Culture. I just do not think a hockey team should be run as a political tool. I do not give a Damn what Language someone speaks in this country. We still live in a free country to speak as we please. Especially in business because it is the owners risk and money. To dictate one’s way of speaking is a very small mind indeed.!

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        Hear hear.

      • CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

        No one dictates how you speak, sir. If the rest of Canada is so fed up with Quebec’s cultural and language laws, and their threats to secede, then give em the boot.

        Your hostility toward Quebec society is thinly veiled indeed. If you had a true appreciation for French culture and minority cultures at large, then you should understand their importance and necessity to protect them, sometimes via legislation.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Firing JM was not a mistake. Replacing JM with his adjutants was. Mathieu Darche: first thing Randy C said when he came into the room after JM was that he believed in JM’S SYSTEM.

  8. gK_HabsFan says:

    Here is an idea I have been thinking about of late.

    How about we give Subban the ‘A’ on his jersey next year.

    The NHL is getting younger each year, and younger players are providing great impact on their respective teams. I hate seeing Vets with minimal impact on the game being given leadership roles.

    Also, Subban plays the most minutes of any player on the team

    It will allow him to grow and take on greater responsibility in the room. The guy has passion and enthusiasm for the game, which can (hopefully) rub off on others.

    You guys might say he’s not ready yet and that he’s not mature enough. I would disagree. Maybe this is what he needs to push his game up a notch….

    • CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:


      Love or hate him, he has lower level maturity than most junior players. Who would listen to this kid as a leader? He is in desperate need of having someone to follow, not the other way around.

      • gK_HabsFan says:


        You want to change the culture in Montreal? PK hates to lose, he goes all out in games and in practices. Why do you think he gets into fights in practices so much… because other players don’t have the same intensity level

      • ed lopaz says:

        wow ! less mature than most junior players.

        your hate for Subban just never ends.

        the guy plays 150% every night against the best line on the other team, 23 or 24 minutes, of intense, high pressure NHL hockey.

        there is not 1 junior player in the world that can do that.

        do you understand how mature you have to be to accomplish that night in and night out??

        he is run at by every goon in the league.

        he is booed in almost every arena he plays in, including Toronto.

        When he blows a game, and there were at least 3 I can remember that he was personally responsible for crapping the bed,

        he answers the questions from the media, takes full and complete responsibility for his mistakes, and apologizes for letting his teammates down.

        in your world of upside down logic, Martin is a winning coach, and Subban is less mature than most junior players.

        Keep working on that degree in Education.

        because you will never make a dime in the hockey industry.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      He needs more cooking time. Certainly I think he’ll deserve that in a year or two. It’s much more important that we get someone in to mentor him to the next level.

      • gK_HabsFan says:

        I think it would be a good time next year with a new management team and coaching.

        I think the greatest concern for the Habs in the offseason is to change the Philosophy in the entire organization. We need to stop gunning for 8th spot and start playing to win the Cup.

        • LA Loyalist says:

          I agree with you 100% about building a cup team instead of swilling in mediocrity. As for an A for PK, I’d be fine with it if I had confidence in our defensive Coach that PK was getting mentored well.

          Man I hate the word “Mentored”. Sorry.

  9. boing007 says:

    On the recent Cammaleri TV ad:
    It proves that one can be as fit as a fiddle, yet still play out of tune.

    Richard R

  10. ZepFan2 says:

    Why can’t we do this in the NHL?

    “This is the second time in six months Roethlisberger has reworked the eight-year, $102 million deal he signed in 2008. The new contract doesn’t affect the money or length of the deal but gives the Steelers some much needed cap relief. Roethlisberger was scheduled to make $11.6 million in 2012 but the new deal will save the Steelers several million next season.”

    Turn on the tank, the party’s over…

    • LA Loyalist says:

      I think you have a two part question here, a) can we, and if yes under the current agreement b) should we.

      Generally in contract law if all the parties (3, in this case, team, union, player) all agree on a change, it gets done. That said, unions especially are loathe to create precedents. The contracts are already complex, and if each year re-jigging became popular, it would erode the overall authority of the contracts and the CBA in the first place.

      The wild card is the CBA.

      I realize I’m not answering your specific question, because I don’t know, does any poster know the CBA well enough to respond?

      • ZepFan2 says:

        I’m basically asking as per the Gomez situation. If we were able to rework contracts, we could have done so the minute we acquired Gomez.

        Turn on the tank, the party’s over…

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Make it longer for more money? 🙂 Otherwise don’t see Gomez reworking it.

          • ZepFan2 says:

            “Make it longer for more money?”

            No, I’d think about one or two more years at the same salary, just spread it out more evenly. That way the last two years if he’s still not playing up to par, we could buy out his contract at a lower price.

            Turn on the tank, the party’s over…

  11. habs17 says:

    Eric cole, 2nd rnder, for Dustin Brown 5rder that’s what im hearing
    President of the Scott Gomez Fan Club

    (I support Scott Gomez)

    • Strabo says:

      Just ignore those voices in your head.

      “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.” Albert Einstein

    • Talik Sanis says:

      That makes very little sense based on the Kings’ needs. According to popular logic, they considered moving Brown because they took on a long-term contract with higher salary cap hit in the Carter trade. Here, they would again take on a longer, more expensive contract with a NTC. Also, it would make little sense on our part. Granted Brown is a good player, but loosing a very high second for him while moving our second most productive player in terms of points doesn’t seem to make a great deal of sense.

      If anything, based on their supposed desire to free up cap space, the Kings might be looking to trade Brown for a pending UFA (and other assets, of course), so that he could help in the playoffs and come off the books at the end of the year.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        Brown isn’t scoring, and LA needs scoring, even getting Carter.

        We’re not scoring, and we need scoring, so why would we give up a reliable guy who IS scoring for a guy who is NOT scoring unless we had enough depth to or the deal was sufficiently in our favor to absorb that risk. Could Brown be great? Certainly. But we’re not the team that can take that risk right now.

    • Storm Man says:

      WHAT!!!!!!!! you need to be shot.

  12. Dulljerk says:

    Nobody on this team should be on the “protected” list. There are no hall of famers on this roster. None. I would rather get picks and do a complete rebuild, than try and fix the chemistry. There is no chemistry. BTW, Carey Price does make some fantastic saves, but so do many other goaltenders in the league. He’s good, not great, but he isn’t King Henry. P.K. Subban is a loose cannon in my opinion. I like the guy, I watched his whole career in the OHL. But I don’t find that he is “seasoning” quite right, and I think his ego will prevent him from becoming the player he could be. So, in summary, they all should be on the block. No one on this team deserves “special dispensation”.

    “Is the little dog going to yap, or is he going to bite?”

    • BeachHabFan says:

      pk needs a mentor and the time to develop. Luke schenn is another example of a very good d-man that has been messed up in development. i’m hoping they sign or trade for a stable senior D-man with some grit (a hal gill who will fight a couple of times) to take a bit of pressure off the guy, i don’t know that Markov would be the guy even if he was healthy.

  13. BeachHabFan says:

    disappointed PG is still here at the deadline but since he is not in a position to buy at ridiculous prices i’m a little less concerned.

    Performance of the team has been atrocious save for four or five players. They know randy C is on his way out and it’s all pretty sad.

    i can’t imagine they’ll get much for anyone at the deadline. a 2nd for Moen (who i’d prefer they kept) is possible but given his injury maybe a 3rd is more realistic. moving AK46 is critical – he is too inconsistent to build a long-term solution around – but i’m afraid PG will botch it or the price will be low (low 2nd, or prospect + 3rd). darche and Diaz could be moveable as well, but there are lots of other tier-2 rentals to choose from instead. Kaberle could be a surprise move though last night’s brainfart won’t help.

    the changes that will have to be made will probably be done quietly by not re-signing UFA’s, freeing up cap space with a buyout or two, and trading picks at the draft. Very unsatisfactory and dull, and long to play out. All i can say to the tank advocates is “be careful what you wish for” because what you’re probably gonna get will drive you even more bats–t crazy than the last few months. I will be happy if proven wrong, but…

    Moving forward: Anyone know what our draft situation is at right now? Our #1 is looking good, beyond that i’d love to know what we have to work with – and hope that PG is not making the picks.

  14. habs17 says:

    as much as it sucks, this is the best thing to happen to this franchise in 20 years, were finally gonna get a high draft pick, and hopefully have a superstar on this team WHOOOOOOOOO can’t wait till 2015
    President of the Scott Gomez Fan Club

    (I support Scott Gomez)

  15. Sisky33 says:

    Let go Ak so he can play like his brother(producing with 2nd line minutes)
    or like Ryder or Ribiero producing for nothing. Hab killers

    The Only way I would TRADE AK is IF we are GUARANTEED A TOP 4 PICK in this years draft other wise resign him at a home town discount like he said and play him.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      What you say makes sense. However, think of this: think of sports you yourself played and there was a guy who only showed half the time, whose motives seemed to be other than winning, who had great talent but only tapped a portion of it and only some of the time. That’s a guy I don’t want on my team.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        Mike, you are talking to guys who don’t actually play hockey and can’t think like that. The same maroons who think we can trade Gomez for a can of tuna.

        It’s the difference between sex and jerking off. With the later the 15 seconds doesn’t matter. With the former you have a pissed off chick, sheep, whatever… am I about to get moderated here?

  16. Mike D says:

    History aside, all I hope for is that PG has identified which players have a future with the Habs and which don’t. For those that are in the latter category, they MUST be traded at the deadline where the returns are considerably better than any other time of year.

    Additionally, because of the desperation of certain teams who wish to make some kind of run for the postseason, the Habs might also be able to move players who they might not be able move at any other time (IE undesirable players whose current contracts extend beyond this season). Although the new CBA may also affect the “tradeability” of these players.

    – Honestly yours

  17. Sisky33 says:

    I know this is a team game but all you guys out there saying you wouldn’t take Ovie or Nash are lying to your selves. U guys would pass on players that score 30-50 on a consistent basis?? Hell if we scored 50 more goals this year we wouldn’t be in the basement. They only thing you guys are looking at to make you think this way is contract!! Take Gomer off the books along with Kaberle, Gionta, Pleks even. What does that Free UP in a cap world?



    • Mike D says:

      Contracts are a big reason why certain fans don’t want Ovie or Nash on the Habs. It’s a salary cap world, genius, so to ignore that side of it when considering players is a glaring oversight by any GM (real or armchair) and it sounds like you are unfortunately in that category. Value-for-money is just as important as talent and results these days. Having one star player isn’t enough to win the Stanley Cup. Just ask the Caps who have more than their fair share and haven’t won or done anything significant in the playoffs.

      At present, I don’t want Ovie or Nash on this team and I can assure you I’m not lying to anybody about that. FWIW, I don’t want Gomer or Kabs either.

      Though in the case of the two players you mentioned, I suspect there are some other factors that lead people to be of the opinion that they wouldn’t want them on the Habs.

      – Honestly yours

    • boing007 says:


      That’s his part time job. Give him two skilled wingers and we might have someone worth keeping.

      Richard R

  18. Dr.Rex says:

    Im starting to understand how it feels to be a Cleveland Browns fan. Hopefully teh roganization and fanbase dont start to accept losing or we could be in for a long bore. HOpefully 2012 is not 1999 all over again and we spend the next 5 years spinning around in circles. Only reason the habs sniffed the playoffs once in that span was because Theodore has one of the greatest years for a goalie ever.

  19. HardHabits says:

    The last time the Molsons sold the team was because they saw their beer sales fall with the fortunes of the Habs on the ice.

    They don’t care about hockey. They care about beer sales. They purchased the Habs thinking that it would increase the bottom line at the brewery.

    Here is all you need to know about where Mr. Molson stands:

    This was before he bought the team.

    The Habs need new ownership.

    • ed lopaz says:

      new ownership??

      Molson bought the team that Gainey and Gauthier had built with Jacques Martin at the helm.

      The team pulled off a miracle playoff run and then finished with 96 points last season in 6th place.

      Molson is just getting started – putting his stamp on the team.

      Martin is out.

      Gauthier is next.

      A new management team and coach will be here by the summer.

      What else do you want??

    • Storm Man says:

      I have a bad feeling Molson is going to make Ballard look like a saint. I have no clue how he can watch the team and think it is ok going forward. A major house cleaning needs to be done asap. I want no one in the front office to be part of this team come draft day. I see lot’s here are happy we may draft in the top 5. I’m not at this point with the simpletons we have running the show and draft a bust. I for one at this point wish Molson did not buy the team as it is a joke right now.

      • ed lopaz says:

        do you honestly believe that Molson watched the Habs last night and thinks “the team is OK going forward”??

        of course not!

        Why is Molson to blame?

        An owner of any business takes over and evaluates what he has.

        The business was a success 2 seasons ago – we went to the ECF.

        Last season, we improved during the regular season and moved up to 96 points – then we went into Boston and beat them twice in their own barn.

        Molson, like any responsible owner, was careful not to rock the boat too much based on these impressive results.

        He allowed Gauthier and Martin to begin the season and continue to prove to him that they were on the right track.

        When we stumbled and shit the bed – Martin was immediately let go – that shows that the team refuses to accept losing – even in the short term.

        Now Gauthier is next.

        Not one move will take place between now and trade deadline without approval of Gauthier’s boss.

        The day the season is over, Gauthier will be re-assigned.

        that is responsible and active ownership responding to the primary objective of doing everything possible to put a winning formula in place.

        Harold Ballard was a clown.

        Geoff Molson is no clown.

        • Storm Man says:

          I don’t think Molson knows what a winning formula is as long as he has BG still having any say on what goes on. As for Goat re-assigned I WANT HIM GONE FROM MONTREAL! with BG and Martin ect if they need a job with the team they can sell beer at home games. Going to the ECF is not a success in Montreal as I’m sure you know. I’m willing to give Molson a shot and see what he does after this season but if he still has any of the 3 blind mice still with this team he has no clue and will rank him with Ballard as a clown who cares about nothing but money.

  20. Mavid says:

    a couple of things come to mind..we have not lost our class..this is one guy within the organization who will be gone soon need to paint the whole team with the same brush..and honestly it makes for some mildly interesting saturday reading but I for one don’t give a rats ass what other fans/teams think of us..the latest example that comes to mind is the Gary Carter honoring…nothing but pure class..I was at the Roy retirement game it was the best right down to the little 33 banners they handed out..and the goalie mask’s..the day the 100th anniversary coin came out..we were at the bell center for a game, all the change was given in brand new Habs loonies..still have everyone of them..nobody does it better..this guy is obviously a goof

  21. habs17 says:

    WORST habs team of all time
    President of the Scott Gomez Fan Club

    (I support Scott Gomez)

  22. piper says:

    I’ve supported Gomez since he came to Montreal. I love the way he skates and can take the puck end to end with ease. The team has supported him by giving him icetime game in game out with no results.
    I give up, its time to Redden his ass to Hamilton and give the kids his ice time.
    Maybe he could help the Dogs out bit. If not, and he has some pride, he’ll retire.
    Sorry Scotty, but even 2 million a year would be too much for what you”ve been doing the last 2 years.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Always hard to see our idols fall, but well put. Love to get inside Gomez head, see how he rationalises not retiring. Ok, yes, cuz of bucks — how does he rationalise his waste of space on the bench, on the ice, and at practice?

    • 24 Cups says:

      piper – Let me write a new second line for your post.

      However, once Gomez crosses the line, he begins to peel off to the side and telegraphs his moves. Many times he comes to a dead stop. Other teams know this and easily set-up to defend and cover the Hab wingers. They know that Gomez rarely shoots or drives to the net.

      Gomez will never retire and pass up $9M. I don’t blame him. The only player that I can recall who has passed up big coin is Ralfalski last year. I’m not sure what the details of the decision were at the time.

      As for Hamilton, there is really only one concern. Gomez must stay there for two years. I’m not interested in recall waivers or buyouts. I want the full 7.3M cap each for each of the next two years. So the question is, will Gomez be a positive or negative influence on the team? A team that will feature all of the young talent that is presently in the pipeline. Redden and Finger have done it so I can’t see why Gomez can’t. Everyone says how good he is in the room so that may be an indication of what he might bring.

      • HardHabits says:

        10 million.

        5.5 + 4.5 = 10.


        Apart from that you and I are on the same page.

        The buyout would still cost close to 7 million dollars. Better to have him mentor players in Hamilton.

        • 24 Cups says:

          Dave – I didn’t check the facts, I recalled them from memory.

          Updated HI/O score > Steve 267 – Dave 6!!!

          BTW, here’s a thought from a friend of mine who came over to watch last night’s game. He stated that without DD and Price this year, the Habs would be Columbus.

          BTW2 – My buddy and I both enjoyed our Rusty Nails. I even thought of you for a split second. I’m so glad that my debt is paid and my honour is still intact:-)

  23. CF says:

    Everybody needs to chill out, or at least those who think losing right now is the end of the world.
    It’s all working out just fine. Last place, no big deal,
    all of you will be cheering along with me at the draft. We need it. A low level pick who may end up playing on the third line is not going to help us.
    There are several things that can happen that can turn this team around. Here are some:
    1) A top five pick in the draft. Real skill, top end skill, can play next year possibly.
    2) Pick up a Denis Wideman type of D man. It has to happen for us to succeed.
    3) Gomez in Hamilton. Has to happen.
    4) Kaberle traded, or in Hamilton. This is the trade that should be the last nail in the Goats coffin.
    5) LL, Geoffrion, White, stay healthy and have great years next year.
    6) The Markov mess is cleaned up. He plays, or he’s let go in some fashion. Can’t have him skating alone after practice for another 12 months.
    7) We start the year with the new hope of a GM who understands what the team is missing/lacking, and the importance of not having a nickname “the ghost”.
    8) The glory of the CH returns when all of the above are taken care of ……….
    9) Oh, and we have an actual fourth line next year that can change the momentum of a game. White, Blunden, Moen. Do it.
    First line Patches DD??? ( or upgrade) Cole
    Second Bourque Pleks (or upgrade) Gio
    Third Goeffrion Eller LL
    Fourth Blunden White Moen
    10) After watching Cole get upset on the bench last night, it wouldn’t surprise me if Gio was traded and he becomes our next captain. I love Gio, but the winds of change are coming.
    Personally, I think Gomez, Kaberle, Campoli, Markov, Darche, should all be let go before our first game next year.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Great analysis. Agree with nearly all, particularly keeping Moen, which evidently is not a given. Only query would be Bourque — maybe his only function was to provide the opportunity to offload Cammi. Since then, really, how valuable has he been?

      Another thread includes some passionate pleas for AK, citing his superior passing skills. People should ask themselves whether or not Scotty Bowman would have wanted a player with as inconsistent commitment. Yeah yeah, good numbers — but how far off his potential? In terms of heart and the will to win, he’s twice the size of DD but half the player. Trade.

    • 24 Cups says:

      CF – By nature of being an UFA, there’s no indication that Moen will be back next year. How do we upgrade on DD and Pleks? Geoffrion couldn’t make the Preds and now he’s on our 3rd line? He’ still just a prospect at this point in time. Habs need to decide who’s going to centre the 4th line. That means they have to figure out if White is a RW or a centre. How do we let Markov go? Even if we try, wouldn’t that just compound the problem? We’re all in with this guy so I can’t see him moving. Who would take him? Darche is the perfect 13th forward. There is nobody in Hamilton who is better. Darche would play for the same low salary and take his lumps without whinning. Same goes for Blunden.

      • CF says:

        We upgrade at the center position with the money saved from the Gomez, Kaberle, and possibly Markov contracts. If Markov can play fine, if not, heès on LTIR and we can use his money for someone else. I say if heès not ready by the end of this year, heès done.

        I realise Moen is a UFA. But chances are he wants to stay, just has to be the right contract. Heès a great fit here. Management, if they have any pulse of the team knows that.
        He kills penalties, is strong on the third or fourth lines, and will stand up for his teammates, which has been few and far between for the past 7 years.

  24. adamkennelly says:

    the way I see it if AK, Campoli, Gomez, Weber – are on this team next year – then clearly no one cares about winning….I would trade Darche, Moen, Pleks and AK – as they have value – I would package them with some of the crap – for prospects, toughness and character and picks…and get ready for a short rebuild…with any luck – they squeeze into 8th next year….

    • blazend says:

      Why trade Pleks? If we actually had a 1st line C, he would be the best 2 line C in the league. He’s too valuable on the PK to trade unless were getting a Rick Nash type player in the package.
      Campoli, Weber, Moen and AK should all be traded. We should be able to fetch a 1rd and a prospect for AK, a 2nd for Moen and a 2nd or 3rd for Weber and a bag of pucks for Campoli. Add that to the picks we got for Cameraleri and Gill, we’ll be in a good position to dangle some 2nd round picks to move up in the draft.
      Our D next year looks promising if Markov plays
      Markov Emelin
      Gorge Subban
      Kaberle Tinordi ( best + minius in the OHL)

      If Molson bites the bullet and finally sends Gomer to the Minors, we can actually go out and spend money on a top tier forward.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Agree about Pleks. We’ve come to expect excellence irrespective of the range of situations he is asked to play in. And as (I think) Boone said, Pleks has played with all the wings except the best ones. Habs have gone through a long phase of continuous line juggling, which is no way to get the best out of your players. I say Pleks should write this season off and start looking ahead to next year and nailing that 2nd line. You’re right, he’d be fantastic. Assuming that is he’s kept there, and with decent linemates.

      • 24 Cups says:

        It’s impossible to think that Tinordi could play in the NHL next year. Look what the laffs have done to Schenn, and he’s better than Tinordi.

  25. VJ says:

    Another reason why PG needs to go. When did we lose our class? This team is in need of a serious management philosophy change

    • Psycho29 says:

      Harrison Mooney and Puck Daddy. There are two names that exude ‘Hockey Knowledge’….

    • 24 Cups says:

      VJ – Thanks for posting this. I totally agree with what the author stated in terms of the three trades. People try and rationalize it out (the Bourque suspension, deals needing to pass through the NHL head office) but I’m not buying it. Gauthier stumbled on all three of these deals in terms of how they were handled. There’s a lot more to his evaluation as GM but this was a sore spot for me.

      Props to Puck Daddy for finding a photo where Mr. Gauthier is actually speaking to the media.

  26. LafleurGuy says:

    This is what tanking looks and feels like. Enjoy for those who advocated.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  27. SmartDog says:

    I’m optimistic about our future if PG doesn’t stick around to f- it up.

    We have FOUR very good veterans:
    1. Cole
    2. Plekanec (give this guy two decent wingers for a stretch before you condemn him)
    3. Gorges
    4. Gionta (overpaid but…)
    (5. A fifth if Markov can play.)

    (Notice BTW that Gauthiers last two trade acquisitions (Kaberle, Bourque) don’t make this list. Rather both are messes for the next GM to clean up.)

    We have SEVEN VERY good young developing players:
    1. Patches – a true power forward
    2. Price – a rough year but stability helps a goalie
    3. PK – finding his form again in the 2nd half, he’s been stronger
    4. Desharnais – a true diamond in the rough
    5. Eller – at very least a solid 2-way forward but his potential could be more
    6. Leblanc – clearly an NHLer, we don’t know how high he can fly yet
    7. Emelin – awesome player, one of the bright spots

    That’s eleven (or 12) players ANYONE would want to have on their team and most of them aren’t even 25 yet. Almost half are rookies!
    We also have some EXCELLENT stuff in our pipeline.

    A decent GM could come in here and shape a strong contending team in 2-3 years. I believe this is true.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • fastfreddy says:

      A new GM is needed sooner than later, like right after the last seasun game this season.

      CH = Les Glorieux!!!

    • twocents says:


      I pretty much agree with your point here, in all aspects.

      The one thing I am not yet ready to be on board with is Bourque. I know it’s currently the vogue to be crapping on this guy, but the fact is he has scored at a rate pretty darn close to Gionta’s over his career and 27 goal-scorers are hard to come by and are needed, especially big ones.

      I am not directing this specifically at you, but I think there is too much of a tendency in Montreal to undervalue players who lack consistency. Team should be able to incorporate different types of players. Your core group, and your level of team play, need to be consistent. But good teams make room for streaky scorers, you have to.

      The fact is many, if not most, scorers are streaky. The question is whether or not the player is contributing something else when they are not scoring. Players like Gionta and Pleks are usually recognized for there effort or defensive play respectively. But a player like Bourque brings his size, speed and hitting that alter what the team is like to play, but can be a little less obvious cause of his inconsistency there too.

      I am not saying he’s great, nor am I sure he brings enough to keep him. I am simply saying I’ll withhold judgement for a while. Good teams need role players and sometimes the role is supplementary goal-scoring with a little hitting and speed. If his game was more consistent and he was consistly a harder worker, he’s be worth six million dollars a year and we couldn’t afford to keep him.

      Bottom line, as fans we expect too much from individual players sometimes and lose track of the team nature of the sport. You have to make room to value different types of players, including inconsistent ones… if their overall impact makes you a tougher team to beat.

      AK is another example in my opinion, except with him I’ve had enough time to evaluate his overall impact. I value what he brings, even if the different elements of his game are not delivered evenly or consistently. The fact is there are very few games where he doesn’t bring at least one of his strong elements. And that happens to all players.

      • SmartDog says:

        You may be right about Bourque – and you make a good point. But if I put him in the column of good players people would crap on my list. 🙂 Oh politics!

        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  28. aj says:

    Interesting article regarding to Habs prospect Jonas Nattinen at the LaPresse website:

    If we can put him and Geoffrion to supplement Leblanc for next season (hopefully all three of them can make it for this year’s training camp), we could have an effective 4th line.

    I think this might work: Nattinen – Leblanc – Geoffrion
    What’s interesting too is that all three players are natural centers who can player either a LW or RW.

  29. steve17 says:

    Steven Hindle made a good point in his blog. Larry Carriere has lots of experience in management and playing. He is from Montreal and is bilingual. He was brought in after Molson bought the team.

    Read here;

    My question is this, if that is the case, then why hasn’t Molson made the switch already? Steven Hindle points out that as an acting assistant coach and assistant GM, he has had the opportunity to evaluate the players and their mindsets and character! With his management experience he should be able to be successful as GM. Why wait? Turf Guthier and Gainey today and move forward already!!!!


    • kerrgte says:

      I think a management change is a definite. I think the management change will be made in the summer in a humane and professional way. The summer is a period when the heat is off.

      The management process is a continuum of activity. Contract management, ongoing talks with other GM’s, agents, etc, so the new management will be a transitional process.

      It also takes time to engage in the headhunting exercise. It must be particularly hard to find a GM for Montreal given the ongoing media spotlight.

      Clearly, the Molson Corp won’t accept continued mismanagement of this important franchise. Why would a company dedicated to excellence tolerate such poor performance?

    • HabFab says:

      Old blood, need some new blood.
      Young and smart, so there is but two choices.

    • fastfreddy says:

      If Scott Gomez is such a good teammate and locker room guy, why doesn’t the team, ie; Goats, make him an assistant coach? Makes sense, get him off the ice and behind the bench!

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Fine if he’s the right guy, but we don’t need another annointing. I hope that there is much discussion at the top levels, followed by interviews and screening.

  30. smiler2729 says:

    Fan based trade rumours, cool…

    I’d deal Kaberle and a 3rd or 4th rounder to anybody for nothing just get him off the books…

    I’d deal Kostitsyn to anybody for any kind of pick or prospect…

    I’d deal Gomez to Anchorage, just kidding… he’s a wait and see what happens with the new CBA/cap floor kind of situation BUT he’s gone for his own good and the good of the team and its fans….

    I’d deal Plekanec to whoever needs a hustling defensive center with some offense and want back big youth with character…

    I’d re-sign Moen…

    I’d deal Weber, Campoli, Nokalainen and all the other fringe nothings for anything…

    Then I’d drink a lot of beer all summer and watch baseball to forget this season ever existed…

    But Goats will probably just have lunch with Mr. Salad…

    What a putz.
    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

  31. kerrgte says:

    It’s really too bad.

    The Canadiens:
    – the 3rd most valuable franchise in the NHL, is valued at about $400 million plus;
    – has a richer winning tradition than any other team.

    And now this gross humiliation:
    – last in the east; and
    – assessed at 24th out of 30 in the NHL future talent department.

    Come on Geoff, unload this buffoon who calls himself a GM.

  32. Bertuzzi says:

    As a Canucks fan in the 80s, I watched a lot of losing hockey. I didn’t mind, though. I knew they would lose, but it was still entertaining. They worked hard every game.

    By contrast, the present incarnation of the Canadiens is boring and unwatchable.

    I am concerned for the sake of the league that other fans, like myself, might tune out from hockey due to the effortless song and dance of many players who are clearly just going through the motions to avoid injury and procure a paycheck.

    I wonder if there is something inherently problematic with the present structure of contracts and the collective bargaining agreement.

    Maybe it’s the long term contracts; maybe it’s the no-trade clauses. Perhaps every contract should have incentive bonuses. Honesty, I do not know what the fix is, but perhaps Bettman and the owners should be concerned about the substandard product that is being hawked.

    I think that players have a right to their share of the revenue, but perhaps there is something about human nature and behaviorist psychology that dictates that people will not be motivated to perform if they are guaranteed to receive millions of dollars regardless of their effort or results.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I expect that it is dispiriting to be continually jerked around without rhyme or reason, while guys like Gomer and Kabby do their thing. I think these guys are sucking the life out of the team.

    • Tis Himself says:

      As someone posted below, there are no sanctions whatsoever for poor performance other than sending a former star player – he had to be one to get that contract in the first place – down to the minors. You can see in the case of Gomez that personal pride isn’t worth squat. All year long, they Habs continued to suit this guy up knowing full well what the results would be. Christ, he went a full year without scoring. The both of us achieved the same result without even getting a chance to play. I know the guys on the team will say he is a good teammate, but that is just horse crap plain and simple. Having a useless piece of flesh like that pull down the biggest pay cheque has to demoralize those around him who are trying to win. I have Markov on my list as well. He better do something useful if and when he ever plays again. The simple math is that after punching his big ticket, he got paid even more than the Gomer on a per-game basis.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Interesting is that the largest fine any of these players can be levied is $2,500. Given the size of contracts that number to me epitomizes the control the players have. It may be irrelevant but thought I would point it out.

    • kerrgte says:

      It’s tough for NHL team management, and obviously insurmountable for the current Canadiens mismanagement. Success, however, is seen in New Jersey and Detroit. These teams have proven themselves year after year.

      The real problem is that Les Canadiens continue to hire amateurs in managment. I do think this will change under the now more mature ownership of Molson Corp. I think the current management regime will be replaced over the summer in a humane and professional way.

  33. SmartDog says:

    I would like to say a deep and sincere congratulations to all the players who DID play hard this season.

    The GM let you down, and some of the players let you down. But you worked your tail off anyway. Good on ya. Makes me proud of my Habs even while lamenting the state of the organization and some of the players that have found their way on to our otherwise proud company of players.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Albatros says:

      Continuing to dress Scott Gomez is just one of the things that doomed this season. You can’t have the guy pulling down the most coin in any organization stinking like that. The problem with this franchise is that they refuse to use the few sanctions available for making under-performing knuckleheads miserable. Gomez should have skipped Hamilton altogether and been sent to ply his trade in the “E.”

  34. Albatros says:

    Question: When do the strippers report for spring training in Montreal?

  35. HabsFan82 says:

    we have 6 good forwards that are keepers. Pacioretty, Cole, Plekanec, Kostitsyn, Bourque, Gionta, the rest do what ever. in the meantime PG look for two good centers for these guys
    Cole – Plekanec – Gionta 1st line 2012-2013
    Bourque – ???? – Pacioretty 2nd line 2012-2013
    ???? – ???? – Kostitsyn 3rd line 2012-2013
    ???? – ???? – ???? 4th line 2012-2013
    as you can see a lot of question marks to improve the Habs maybe we can get the answers from training camp.
    look at the remaining forwards and see who’s worth keeping.
    defense that’s a whole different ball game, not even going there
    another training camp project.

    • _koopy_ says:

      Have you already given up on Eller and Desharnais?

    • RGM says:

      I would suspect that Kostitsyn will not be kept. He cannot be happy with the way that he has been utilized for the past two seasons – say what one will about his occasional disappearing act but giving a guy with his talents 3rd/4th line assignments is a joke. It’s like Michael Ryder all over again.

      GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
      “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

      Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

      • gerrybell says:

        agreed – Ryder all over again.

        AK is a bum and has barely delivered this season. no doubt in my mind he becomes a 30 goal scorer when he leaves montreal in two days but who doesnt?

        with this market, we might be able to even get a 1st for AK. i base this on the fact that a 35 year old Dman (Zidlicky) fetches three players and two picks [2nd and a 3rd]


        • Strummer says:

          wouldn’t it be easier to change coaches?

          “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
          -Dennis Miller

    • sublime19 says:

      why would you break up the best line we had and omit desharnais from our list of good forwards? Its more likely that kostitsyn won’t return considering signing subban and price are a higher priority….

  36. georgegreece says:

    Living in Greece for the last 8 years, have enjoyed reading the comments from my fellow MTL Canadiens fans. This is the first time I am writing. Having grown up watching the great teams of the 70,s with all those Hall of Famers (too many to start mentioning), it is now obvious that we took the great GM Sam Pollock for granted. He had great people around him, his actions were strategic and not of desperation, he drafted carefully, he had excellent Qeubecois players on the team (Savard, Lapointe, Lemaire, Houle, Tremblay, Lambert – and many others). I will not mention Lafleur – these kind of players are one in a lifetime. He understood that we live in Qeubec – and he gave the fans what they wanted. At the same time he drafted. Robinson, Shutt, Dryden, etc and when needed he went out and traded for the best (Frank Mahovlich).

    The present day Canadiens management in my humble opinion is unfortunately lacking Vision. Winning games – doing well in the playoffs is not enough. We need exciting hockey, we need home grown players (there is nothing wrong with this).

    This is a critical time for the franchise. We need to get ASAP as many #1 draft choices as we can. The way these are being handed out, it is a great opportunity to trade Moen, AK for one.

    We are almost assured of drafting a gifted offensive player (one of Yakupov, Forsberg, Grigorenko, Galchenyuk). With another #1 we can get lucky and have another player drop to the 20’s (see last year with Bealieu). With Carter, Hemsky and Ruutu not any more available – Moen and AK have greater value.

    Lastly from the above list I believe that the greatest deadline trade was not mentioned: Rivet for Gorges and a #1 (Pacioretty). Actually the best trade that Bob Gainey ever made (you have arguably the best defenseman and scorer).

    I apologize for the long note- as I mentioned this is my first post. My dream is to bring my kids to MTL to watch a playoff game and to live the Montreal Canadien experience.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Welcome to the madhouse, George, nice to hear from you.

      The thing about Pollock was that during that period, there weren’t so many teams that had the kind of hockey knowledge that the Habs did. It was during expansion, and lots of people managing those teams didn’t have the inside knowledge the Canadiens did, or the kind of scouting that’s available today.

      I hope you get to come to Montreal with your kids for a game.
      Hey, why not come for the HI/O Summit! It’s a great time!
      (just watch out for turnstiles… it’s my only warning)

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • HardHabits says:

      Lurkers often make the best first posts. 😉 Welcome aboard!!!!

  37. boonie says:

    Prices paid to retain pending free agents are completely out of whack, especially when you consider what these players could fetch in potential trades.

    Edmonton, presumably, could have traded Hemsky for a second round pick or more. Instead, they sign him to a two year, $10m contract, believing they couldn’t get a player to score 5 goals in the upcoming free agent pool — likely to play a third line role and by a model for their cast of young talent. No sense at all. Ditto Carolina on two fronts with Gleason and Ruttu.

    It makes no sense. These are the contracts that will leave fans scratching their heads 20 games into next season, prompting GMs like Rutherford to say, “oops, I goofed, that deal was a mistake” and causing teams sell offs to free cap space.

    This actually is worse than teams letting players walk for nothing.

  38. georgegreece says:

    Living in Greece for the last 8 years, have enjoyed reading the comments from my fellow MTL Canadiens fans. This is the first time I am writing. Having grown up watching the great teams of the 70,s with all those Hall of Famers (too many to start mentioning), it is now obvious that we took the great GM Sam Pollock for granted. He had great people around him, his actions were strategic and not of desperation, he drafted carefully, he had excellent Qeubecois players on the team (Savard, Lapointe, Lemaire, Houle, Tremblay, Lambert – and many others). I will not mention Lafleur – these kind of players are one in a lifetime. He understood that we live in Qeubec – and he gave the fans what they wanted. At the same time he drafted. Robinson, Shutt, Dryden, etc and when needed he went out and traded for the best (Frank Mahovlich). The present day Canadiens management in my humble opinion ais unfortunately lacking Vision. Winning games – doing well in the playoffs is not enough. We need exciting hockey, we need home grown players (there is nothing wrong with this).

    This is a critical time for the franchise. We need to get ASAP as many #1 draft choices as we can. The way these are being handed out, it is a great opportunity to trade Moen, AK for one.

    We are almost assured of drafting a gifted offensive player (one of Yakupov, Forsberg, Grigorenko, Galchenyuk). With another #1 we can get lucky and have another player drop to the 20’s (see last year with Bealieu). With Carter, Hemsky and Ruutu not any more available – Moen and AK have greater value.

    Lastly from the above list I believe that the greatest deadline trade was not mentioned: Rivet for Gorges and a #1 (Pacioretty). Actually the best trade that Bob Gainey ever made (you have arguably the best defenseman and scorer).
    I apologize for the long note- as I mentioned this is my first post. My dream is to being my kids to MTL to watch a playoff game and to live the Montreal Canadien experience.

  39. Mattyleg says:

    Here’s a trade question:
    Let’s say, in a crazy, mixed-up world the Habs could get Ovechkin or Nash for the same price.

    Who would you go for? Why?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • ed lopaz says:

      I would not want either right now. We need to add a top centreman.

      I would settle for Paul Stastny on Colorado – and leave Nash and Ovechkin alone.

      Stastny is having a down year by his standards, but he is only 26 years old and he already has 360 points in 407 NHL games.

      Colorado has some depth at center with the emergence of Ryan Oreily as a legitimate center (46 points in 61 games) playing behind Matt Duchene – one of the great young stars in the league.

      So Stastny could be delt for the right package.

      We could have Stastny, Plekanec, and DD which would make us much stronger.

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      Nash. Ovi will never be a team guy, has no control over his emotions.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I don’t know, Matty, but I want to live in that world.

      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Mark C says:

      I agree with most of that. Loved this line: “if Johnson lived on the Korean Peninsula, he would wander into the DMZ three or four times per day.”

    • SmartDog says:

      I was thinking that too. Reading what Lombardi says it sounds like Gomez. But yeah, he’s better than Gomez (what NHLer isn’t?)

      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • boonie says:

      Lombardi, “”Jack was a thoroughbred out there…But he had no idea where he was going.”. Hate to say it, Dean, but that’s poor coaching and development. And, that’s all on you.

      Not that Columbus has a track record of developing players, but a young D with abundant talent can become very, very good.

    • Talik Sanis says:

      Spot on. Considering his lack of defensive ability, it was to the King’s advantage that they were able to trade Johnson and rid themselves of his long-term contract.

      People tend to love him for the flashiness of point production, and do not realize that his underlying numbers and defensive sense are poor. It’s strange how certain narratives are constructed. We view Kaberle in almost the exact opposite way, seeing his defensive lapses, yet ignoring his point production (not that he’s a good defenceman, just that the narrative is inverted in somewhat similar situations).

      • jmsheehy19 says:

        First of all, completely agree on the Grass is always greener perception here. Some commentators here judge our own players with a different scale apparently than players of other teams.

        Also, let me just add that your posts are a breath of fresh air around here. Logic, calmness, proper sentence structure, and NOT repeating an idea ad nauseum are rare traits here (or anywhere on the Internet I suppose).

  40. Mattyleg says:

    Morning all,
    I think that Boone should give up writing after Habs losses.
    Just read his thread and found it annoying.
    If I want to hear defeatist whining, I’d read most of the posts I skip on this forum.
    I’m not saying that we have a chance, I’m not saying that we should lie to ourselves about the quality of our players, or about their effort, but seriously, lines like “Rene Bourque and Petteri Nokelainen couldn’t play for contending teams” is as bad as what some 16-year-old posters on this forum would write and get roasted for.

    Come on.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Psycho29 says:

      I’m sure it was written here a couple of years ago, “Lapierre and Higgins could never play for a contending team.”

    • boonie says:

      He has to write. It’s his job. But, he’s also a fan and losing this often is wearing thin on him like it does on most of us. So, he expresses his frustration. Sure, Bourque and Nokia could play roles on contenting teams. He’s a witty, glib guy and it’s a funny way to skewer the team.


      • Mattyleg says:

        I know, it’s just annoying to read.
        I like his stuff usually, just don’t like his doom-and-gloomery after a loss.
        I guess it’s understandable, just not always objective, and some people will take it as gospel.
        I’m as chill as John Coltrane in a walk-in-fridge.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • boozebrother2 says:

      Good morning all.Trade deadline weekend and our pantry is almost empty.Not much we can use to improve our club.And were pretty sure Mr. Gauthier will not be here next season.So we are in LIMBO. Who do we keep and who can we get rid of to make our club better.Just watching our guys play the last few game they have also thrown in the towel and there are a few who really seem upset that this team isn’t going any where soon.I wish Geoff Molson would have dumped Mr.Gauthier sooner and find our future G.M of the future before the deadline and let him put his stamp on this team.Every year we lose on trades or let players walk at the end of the year without any return.All of us couch G.M’s have our own opinions who do deal and who we should keep.The future looks a little brighter with the recruits we have coming up.Beauleau,Tinordi,Leblanc and maybe Geoffrion will help.Its hard to get anyone to come here with all the crap that has happen with this team the last few years .Anyways lets hope that we don’t follow the Maple Leafs and that we have to wait another 40 plus tears to win a cup.At least i would like to see one more in my lifetime.Go HABS GO>

      edward smith

    • SmartDog says:

      Boone’s gotten grumpier and grumpier as this season wears on.

      We love you Mike, but honestly, you’re in Jack Todd territory with some of your criticisms. Ouch! Yeah I know that hurt. But you had to hear it.

      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • This place is so depressing it’s not worth reading Matty.

      I’ve always been the happy guy, always a smile. I wonder what type of people our members are? I mean some guys post like the same disappointing drivel all the time.

      How does one live in such negativity?

      I guess they’re all alone and this is their sanctuary 😆


      Today’s bedtime Story

      So I was posted to Winnipeg from the Infantry Battle School in Sept, 1990. Up until then I have never attended a live game.

      I grew up in PEI, the only team I knew was the Montreal Canadiens.My dad, brother and I watched HNIC like it was our religion. My brother and I would drag out our shoe box full of hockey cards and sort them by teams, or we’d cut out big pieces of cardboard and make a score clock to keep the box score in. The Ol man would be laying on the couch drinking his Schooner (is that even a beer anymore) and he always had his best friends over to watch the Canadiens. When we got bored of cards and score keeping my brother and I would play floor hand ball (like mini sticks but with your hands) in our hall way. We were very active, and to be honest I don’t remember ever seeing the third period of any game in the 70’s. I’d start the night off watching the game and every morning wonder how I got into bed ( I don that now, but I drink a lot……no I don’t 😆 ).

      Anyway back Winnipeg. So tickets in Winnipeg were easy to come by, it seemed no one cared about this team. The only time it was sold out was when the Original Six were in town or playoffs. (Bandwagon Fans) I went to every game, and it wasn’t to watch the Jets. I just loved hockey!

      I was able to get tickets for under 30 bucks, or I would win our Infantry Club mess tickets (2 seats, behind the Jets Bench row 20).

      Moving on to 1996. After years of watching the Jets I told myself every single game, if these fans don’t come out we are going to lose this team and sure enough in the end a crappy arena and American ownership did them in.

      Here is a pic from I believe Nov 96, I’m wearing the jean jacket and Huskies hat on the right. Great seats right behind Belfour.

      There was maybe 3K in the stand that night, made me sick!

      Support your team Win or Lose

      The End 🙂

      OK how about another one? No, then move on to the next person 😆

      My All Time Favourite Picture That was the last picture of Matthew (4) and I in front of our house in Winnipeg (8 Red Maple, West K). Funny story, we bought our first home in 96. Paid just under 67K for a beautiful little two bed room bungalow. Our Battalion was moved to Shilo so we had to sell out home in the Peg. We got so much money for it that I actually felt guilty when I handed over the keys. We made almost times what the we paid. If I would have known that I would have got some Potato money (long story) and bought more house in West K 😆

      Now we own a another beautiful older style bungalow in Brandon, MB, and it has the perfect rec room.

      And this is what we have to look forward to everyday until next season. Tomorrow I’m gonna talk about how when I was 12 I backed our semi into a cargo ship in Summerside, PEI. 😆

      Later all, taking Matthew over to the out door rink, I just bought the new Spider-man Venom Marvel Mask, so now he can rip them at me hehe.

      Go Habs Go


      They Call Me Shane

  41. What they really need to do is bring up the kids from Hamilton and, hopefully, lose their remaining games to move up in the draft lottery.

  42. habstrinifan says:

    Montreal media are reporting the spectre of a dozen or so spectres wandering the streets spiritlessly.

  43. Mavid says:

    as soon as I read McGuire..that was it..nobody in their right mind could think that this lunatic should be anywhere near our beloved Habs team..all he does is state the obvious and try’s to cover it up by screetching and using dumb sayings that nobody has ever hear of..there is a reason why he is only on NBC..and he is down right creepy…

  44. 24 Cups says:

    Dave Stubbs has made this a trade thread so here goes (remember it’s hockey inside/out, not Habs inside/out:-)

    Mr. Gauthier isn’t the only GM who possibly needs to be canned. I think you also have to consider Dean Lombardi in LA.

    The Kings, under Lombardi’s leadership, started doing a St Louis/Chicago like tear down in the summer of 2006. They traded away anyone who was over 28 and went about drafting as many young players as possible. Patience was the key word for the fans who one day would be rewarded with a deep run for the Cup. Steady as she goes.

    Flash forward to February 2011. Then to the same timeline in 2012. The pressure is on to be a contender and fulfil the mandate that was set 6 years ago. Lombardi makes three huge moves in an attempt to take the team over the top. Here’s a collective summary of those transactions.

    Departures: Johnson, Schenn, Simmonds, Teubert, Ist rounders from 2011 and 2012/13 as well as 2nd rounders from 2011 and 2012.

    Arrivals – Richards, Carter, Penner as well as their collective baggage.

    The Kings better makes it to the semi-finals, because if they don’t, Lombardi just might walk the plank.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      What a difference being in a market with far less fan/media pressures. There is no way Lombardi lasts that long in Boston, Montreal, Toronto, Philadelphia et…

      Agree he is on his last legs there unless success is found.

  45. DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

    Can anyone remember why Petr Svoboda was traded?

    • Strummer says:

      Earlier in his career he was among the cadre of young rat packers like Chelios etc. who had a little too much fun off ice.
      Maybe it finally caught up with him.

      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
      -Dennis Miller

    • smiler2729 says:

      His slopy shoulders? So we could have Haller to go with Bellows, all we needed was Yelle…

      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Didn’t he weigh something like 160lb in his first season? I don’t remember seeing such a light player since.

      (Although, didn’t Doug Gilmour lose an incredible amount of weight every game, perhaps more so with the Leafs in their 93 playoff run?)

  46. RockinRey says:

    Dump the dogs. Gomez, Bourque, Kabs, Campoli,Ak46 and resstock the cubboard!

  47. Mavid says:

    I am going on a Hawaiian cruise then end of March..I was really concerned about missing important hockey games during that time..not any more

  48. habstrinifan says:

    I like the way the habs are handling the rest of teh season!

    Most teams showcase players before the trade deadline but we are showcasing Randy Cunneyworth and Randy Ladoceur!

  49. 24 Cups says:

    The trade deadline for Montreal is quite simple. AK46, Moen and Campoli are for sale and although Campoli might not be worth much we just have to move the other two because teams are paying over the top (no better example of that than last night’s Zidlicky deal to Jersey.) It’s the best seller’s market in years so we just have to take advantage of that fact.

    The Habs might be able to move Darche for something, as he would be a perfect spare part/ depth forward for a long playoff run. Trade him for a low level pick and then re-sign him on July 1st. We’re going to need him again seeing how thin we’ll be up front next year.

    Kaberle and Gomez? Teams at the deadline don’t deal for players who have two years left on their contracts. They usually just go with UFAs or players who have lower cap hits. I hate to say it, but Kaberle will probably hang around until we know for sure that Markov can play full time. Gomez becomes a waiver claim next October or goes to Hamilton on a PERMANENT basis for two years.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      It is a shame that things are so dire, that we may indeed have to lose Moen. I am not trying to build him up to some hero status, but he is the prototypical 3rd 4th liner every team wants and needs.

      • alestar says:

        Moen started off great this year and played well in general, but the two previous seasons he was invisible…anyway, with his injury we can’t move him anyway, so we’re stuck with keeping him for the rest of this lost season and losing him for nothing come July 1.

        XXIV…and counting

        • Mr_MacDougall says:

          As I posted below, you are off on Moen.. his shooting percentage is double his career average this season.. he has been the same player, with a little extra luck.. look it up.

        • 24 Cups says:

          alestar – You’re right about Moen. He was great in his first year In Montreal and then slipped back. His play this season is a classical UFA year move. Having said that, we still need guys like this. There is no player in Hamilton or on our prospect list who can take his place. That means if you don’t sign Moen, then you are going to have to sign another UFA or make a trade. Why not stick with the guy you know by spending another mil in cap space?

          Two quick points to clarify my thoughts on Moen. I would trade him to bring in an asset and then re-sign him on July 1st. It would be a wink-wink move. Secondly, I don’t think there is any rule stating you can’t trade an injured player (stand corrected), especially if he gives his permission. The return would be less, but I’m sure some team like Vancouver or Detroit would take him with the notion he could sit and heal for the month of March so he would be ready for a deep playoff run.

    • Mark C says:

      I think the Zidlicky deal provides an example that Montreal should be able to trade Kaberle by next year’s deadline, if they wish. Kaberle and Zidlicky are both highly comparable players in terms of production, and strengths and weaknesses. Zidlicky is still under contract for $4M next year, and Minnesota got a pretty nice return.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Exactly. I think Kaberle stays for another season as insurance and as a trade chip for next February. Not to mention we don’t have anyone ready who can replace him.

        • Mr_MacDougall says:

          Trade him if possible, having a player to replace him is irrelevant, this team is 2-3 years from contention at best, no point keeping anybody that isn’t in the long term plan should be moved to give young guys some ice time.. if that means rushing them to the NHL, so be it.

          • 24 Cups says:

            Rushing young players has been one of our main downfalls. If we’re 2-3 years from contention, why rush young kids? Wouldn’t it be better to develop them properly so they are truly ready for when the team breaks through again (during the Habs’ 3rd, five year plan).

        • boing007 says:

          After what he did on the first Caps goal last night? Get rid of him. No heart. No drive. A useless, overpaid, hanger on.

          Richard R

  50. HabinBurlington says:

    It is very difficult (one could easily argue impossible) to find something positive from not only this season, but specifically the play of the team in recent times. Aside from the obvious draft position benefit there may be one other positive. The absolute futility in recent weeks of some specific contract players (no names need be mentioned again) has to clearly show Geoff Molson that in order for him to make some money from this team (playoffs, and extended playoff runs) he MUST spend some money.

    Had this team shown some spark beyond that brief 4 game win streak, the temptation may have remained not to spend the money necessary to eliminate some of these contracts, that they may actually help us due to their veteran presence yadda yadda yadda.

    I have not been a Gomez basher, and hoped beyond hope this season would be his turnaround, it has not happened plain and simple. Yes he may even find it again, but it will never happen here in Montreal. The situation has exasperated itself and it is in both Scotty and Montreals best interest that the relationship end in divorce. Even the Marriage Counsellor has given up on this one.

    So Mr. Molson, while I don’t think you are Steinbrenner rich, you are going to have to accept that more money must be spent in order to earn you riches later.

    Geoff, Godspeed to you, please be wise and dont be frugal.

    • New says:

      Yeah I don’t understand what happened with Gomez. Last season when everyone claimed he was playing badly he evaluated his play, agreed, and declared it wouldn’t happen this season. Can you imagine the laughs they have over a beer when the customers aren’t around?

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      There is no “quick fix” for this team. I really think the team will start next season with Pleks, Eller, DD, and Gomez as their 4 C. The organization has shown no interest in “demoting” Gomez, either to 4th line minutes, or the press box.

      I think the team needs to take the following two seasons to evaluate the assets on the team, without adding any UFAs costing over 3 million (total contract).

      After two seasons Gomez, Gionta, Markov, and Kaberle come off the books. By that time the organization should have a better idea what Eller, DD, Pacioretty, Leblanc, White, Emelin, Diaz, Weber and to a lesser extent Tinordi, Ellis, Beaulieu, Michael Bournival, Gallagher, and Geoffrion have to offer.

      To me, spending money at this point is short term thinking. Maybe keep Moen and Darche. Trying to add to this group will just set the team back. The UFA crop in the summer of 2013 is impressive, by not spending, and hopefully having 20+ million available would be the best strategy at this point. Having an opportunity to sign (one or even two of) Crosby, Perry, Getzlaf, J Stall something I would keep in mind.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I understand your views regarding patience, but I am thinking specifically of a hopeful one time buyout exemption like the previous offseason when a new CBA was rolled out. None of us are in the room, but I really wonder what influence positive or negative it is having Mr. Gomez and Mr. Kaberle in there.

        I have no problems with Gio, Markov being around. I also would hate to see the team overspend on replacement UFA’s this team just needs to gradually get better with young hungry players, with a nice mix of hard working vets to show the way.

        • Mr_MacDougall says:

          I like both Gionta and Markov. What I am suggesting is that all of their contracts expire at the same time.

          My hope (mostly because I respect the man and LOVE watching his smart and quick decision making) is that Markov comes back to form, he was playing the best hockey of his life when bad luck struck him, a 58 and 64 point seasons.. and the following cut short where he was on pace for 62 points when he was injured last time. Gionta, despite being the captain, holds no “special” place with me as a fan, if he was traded I honestly wouldn’t care (as long as the team took less salary back) I’d much rather see Gallahger in his spot… If he stays fine, but i’m indifferent.

          As for buy-out.. That is 10 million for Gomez!!!! also, 14 million of cap space made available.. so essentially “costs” the team 14 million if they spend the money freed up by buying out Gomez.. Kaberle is another player that I don’t mind, but do not think he brings any leadership to the young D that will be coming up, send him packing if possible, if not.. ride out the contract.

  51. LafleurGuy says:

    Carey Price for Rick Nash.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  52. RC-51 says:

    I would try and trade Moen and AK to try and get something in return considering they’re UFA’s, and tell them come July 1st come back we WILL re-sign them. Moen is a player we need, AK is a player with potential and I would give him another 2 years then give up on him!

    • ed lopaz says:

      Moen is a warrior and I think the Habs should give him the money he deserves – why lose a guy like that – it makes no sense.

      AK 46 – will be gone by Tuesday.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Agree Ed, unless they can have a wink wink nudge nudge conversation that leads to him resigning here in the offseason. Moens character and heart is needed, as for AK, I think that ship has sailed.

        I now wonder why AK and Gomez are so loved in the room, I am assuming they buy every round.

      • smiler2729 says:

        I’m with you, Ed, Moen’s invaluable to us, AK’s done.

        Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

      • alestar says:

        Where was Moen in the first two years of his contract? Granted he played great in parts of this season, but does one good season out of 3 justify “giving him the money he deserves”?

        Not sure…I’d re-sign this years version of Moen in a heartbeat, but not the one we had last season or the year before…

        XXIV…and counting

        • Mr_MacDougall says:

          Dude, he is the exact same player, he just got lucky this season.. his shooting percentage is a whopping 20%, that explains the increase in production.

          • alestar says:

            I disagree, he was much more involved physically this season, he was a perimeter player in his first two seasons.

            Anyway, that is the impression I got…I’d still like to see him moved if we can get a decent prospect or pick.

            XXIV…and counting

    • neumann103 says:

      I generally agree but wonder if that would be considered tampering in any way. I would think that you could say something very general like “We value you on this team, the only reason we are making this trade is because our season is over and we need to extract value from UFAs. we hope this is an opportunity for personal success in going to a team bound for the playoffs. We would be very interested in having you back in MTL in the future and I hope if the time comes you would seriously entertain discussions.”

      But the reality is that this UFA move at the deadline re-signs 4 months later with former team rarely happens. I mean to an extent I find striking. You think it would happen all the time to players and teams who had mutual feelings but found themselves in this situation.

      “Et le but!”

  53. AliHaba says:

    So the boys should be at the beach by now. Ahhhh, it must be great to relax in the warm sunshine after that Herculean effort last night. Maybe a game of beach volleyball later, a cooler full of Molson’s, the life of leisure.
    Do they practice today? Why bother?

  54. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Hal Gill, classy guy.

  55. habstrinifan says:

    The habs are digging themselves a TITIUS that does not BODE well for their future!

    Bet no one can come up with a more stoooopid post! Betcha ! Betcha!

    PG is excluded from this competition.

  56. ed lopaz says:

    so here is a perfect example of why Gauthier should not be a GM at the NHL level, and why the Habs failed to make a push up the standings even though it was there for the taking; i.e all of the teams fighting for that 8th spot stink.

    Here`s Boone on kaberle:

    “As illustrated by Mathieu Perreault’s goal, Tomas Kaberle – two more years at $4.25 million – simply cannot play even-strength hockey.“

    The ENTIRE HOCKEY WORLD knew precisely that about Kaberle when the trade was made.

    Even if Kaberle could still try and help the power play – he has not added very much to the PP he inherited –

    the key issue was the Cap money and the term still left on his contract; and that all important fact that kaberle is totally unreliable 5 on 5. TOTALLY!!

    as a close buddy of Plekanec, did the Habs expect that Kaberle would take on a Marc Andre Bergeron PP specialist role and sit almost the whole game unless it was a PP – no of course not.

    Kaberle is the most experienced and most expensive d-man in our lineup last night, and he plays like a kid who is about to get cut from his Atom A team – relegated to House League.

    Gauthier was so desperate that he actually traded a real asset – Spacek was playing well this season – and Spacek has no term left on his deal come July,

    for a totally useless, heartless, overrated, over paid, soft serve,
    over the hill, piece of crap d-man.

    and to top things off, did you see Kaberle lift his head in frustration and look at Price as though that puck was Price`s for the taking.

    Maybe as Bergeron pointed out last night on RDS, if KAberle had his Canadian Tire stick on the ice, that goal is easily avoided.

    Kaberle should be shipped out as soon as possible.

    Just to get his contract off our hands – he is as worthless to us as Gomez.

    There are at least 2 or 3 dozen posters on this site who called this deal for Kaberle what is was the moment it happened.

    Gauthier has never won anything in 30 years in the NHL.

    Folks, there is a REASON for that kind of career failure.

    I think Martin should hire Gauthier to scout and recruit 12 year olds for MArtin`s hockey camp in Rigaud this summer.

    • habstrinifan says:

      And this why I recently posted that the Kaberle deal was even worse than the Gomez acquisition. You had the benefit of hindsight and still screwed yourself.

      • ed lopaz says:

        Jim Rutherford is one of the most respected men in hockey.

        He stated publicly, for the record, that signing Kaberle was a mistake.

        that says it all right there.

        • Bigdawg says:

          I have been against the Kaberle signing day one and have always supported our +/- leader from last year spacek.

          But I recall most people here were calling spacek garbage and asking us to throw him away this season and last. I also remember many thought kabs would do ok for the habs and to be honest, I am midly surprised by his performance – overpaid yes, 100% useless -no.

          I would love to get rid of kaberle but we do need someone with his PP skillset on the team. This team needs an elite defender and if we get rid of kabs, it needs a PP QB as well.

          • Mark C says:

            He is a PP stat most Kaberle bashers won’t mention. Kaberle SINCE being traded to Montreal has as many PP points as any Habs D for the entire season.

        • Strummer says:

          Rutherford was dumping salary as his team tanks.
          take what he says with a grain of salt.

          “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
          -Dennis Miller

          • ed lopaz says:

            when the Habs traded for Kaberle their

            power play ranked 28th at 11.4%

            today the power play is ranked 29th at 13.6 %

        • ont fan says:

          How many GM’s would say that after a trade. I’m sure he was really popular in the GM community after that statement

      • ont fan says:

        Rutherford may be respected but he hasn’t hit the bullseye in quite sometime with his dealings. He may have won a cup with the hottest goalie since Roy but he is right up there with PG.

        • Strummer says:

          He won a cup because Koivu almost lost an eye.
          habs were in control of that series till they lost thier top player.

          “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
          -Dennis Miller

    • AliHaba says:

      You hit the bullseye my friend.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Ed – I’ve pretty well given up trying to explain just how terrible Kaberle is in his own half of the ice. The guy is the softest Dman in the league, plain and simple. Basically he plays like a coward.

      The only thing worse than Kaberle are the posters on this site who keep retorting with the worn out refrain that Kaberle has 163 points in his last 43 games. Not to mention that he was the cornerstone to the Bruins’ Cup victory.

      Total, complete bs.

      • ed lopaz says:

        here is my advice for some posters here:

        when Kaberle is on the ice, don`t watch the puck carrier, just get a fix on 22 and stick with him for his entire shift.

        do this every time he is on the ice.

        watch what he does when he needs to protect the front of our net.

        watch what he does when there is a loose puck in the corner.

        in other words, watch him play WITHOUT the puck, 5 on 5.

        (with the puck he is also prone to bad decisions and give aways, but everyone sees that because he has the puck on his Canadian Tire stick)

        it will take you 1 period or maybe 1 game to understand what Rutherford was saying.

    • alestar says:

      agree…but there are no other GM’s dumb enough to take either Gomez or Kaberle…

      We either have to buy out Gomez or stick him in the minors, but I don’t have the confidence that PG will do either of those things.

      I’m still hoping Molson will sweep everything out of the office and bring in some new blood to right the ship.

      XXIV…and counting

  57. HABZ24 says:

    listen people!! the habs are doing whats best for them! they are tanking on purpose to finish 26th or lower to be one of the bottom 5 teams that get entered into the entry draft lotterry one teams picked out of a hat that geam lands the number one top entry draft player! get it yes of course! so dont panic at this pount the habs are oooopppsie lost again howd that happen. and just rebuilding by losing and people are panicking oh sell him him him fire him him him. wait til we finish beliw 26 th then fire gauthier hire pierre mcguire as gm to pick to top or atleast one of the verrry top entry draft players. so kick back people take a chill pill and enjoy the ride to the bottom!

  58. RockinRey says:

    Even though he was a lazy ass but with imense talent aren’t you forgetting Kovalev? Easily the best deadline deal for what amounted to a prospect ( Balej) that was never projected to make it.

  59. Cape Breton says:

    Last nite, for the first time ever, I turned off a Habs game (after the 1st period). There’ll be no more torture for your’s truly anymore this season. Will continue to follow hockey, however: Detroit, Vancouver, NJ games and others, but no more bleu, blanc et rouge.

    I’ve had enough until 2012-13.

    • kholdstare says:

      I only go outside when it’s sunny too, dont want to get wet or cold or anything.

    • avi says:

      Good for you. Here’s what I think should happen.

      Fans, en masse, should send a letter to Mr. Molson saying:

      Dear Mr. Molson:

      Please fire Messieurs Gauthier and Gainey (yes he is still invovled in steering this shipwreck) immediately. They have done extensive damage to this once proud franchise for the next 3-5 years – at least.

      Please hire Pierre McGuire. Let him hire a competent coach & assistant, competent player development staff, and if necessary replace Trevor Timmins to draft some top-flight talent.

      Please respond to the French/English nonsense by stating, “we will hire the best personnel.” This will very quickly silence the media, politicians, and separatistes. The real hockey fan doesn’t care about language whether his name is John or Jean. I have watched hockey games with enough Quebecois fans who understand that is Hockey is played not spoken (we alternated speaking English and Francais).

      Bonne Chance.

      Un partisan triste.

      • dallyd31 says:

        You lost me as soon as you said Pierre McGuire

        And please tell me you insider knowledge that proves Gainey is still making deals. Last tme he was GM we went to the conference final. Put the blame where blame is due

        Thank goodness we don’t have fans running the team

    • habstrinifan says:

      HA I am a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyy BETTER fan than you! I watched till the end of the second period!!

      Shame on you!

  60. 100HABS says:

    What ever happened to Perezhogin? I think he went to the KHL – is he doing well? Could we get him back or did we trade his rights?

  61. Captain aHab says:

    OK…hear me out.


    1) I am not a Price hater or a Price fanboy.
    2) I have stopped believing this team is one/two players away from being top tier
    3) I still think the ultimate goal is to win the Cup

    Personally…and since we will not see a Cup for a few more years, I would seriously entertain trading Price while his value is very high. I think if he stays he might become emotionally damaged goods and I think he’s fragile there to begin with.

    How about we trade him out west for as much as we can get (obviously if “as much as we can get” amounts to a 2nd rounder then no deal). Based on the ridiculous trades we are seeing now, we should be able to get a 1st rounder + a pretty good prospect for him. If we can swing that, then use our 1st rounder to draft help up front. Then depending on how good the other first rounder we received for him is, we could either use it straight up to draft a goalie (Subban’s brother?) or, let’s say it’s Edmonton’s, trade down from it to get another asset and then draft a goalie with the pick we get in the trade down.

    I don’t want this to turn into a Price is good vs Price is bad debate as these are pointless. I’d like to hear what people think we might get from him and if that strategy might be worth it.

    I would also consider trading Cole but I think he’ll be too important to the development of guys like Pacioretty and any other power forward type that might come our way.

    I would finally consider trading Pleks but it would have to be for a pretty good return as he is still good value I think even if his play is down.

    I just don’t see this team turning it around quickly as we don’t have the extra great assets to trade away. They have to look long term.

    McGuire for GM!
    Roy for Coach!
    Sh*t for Brains!

    • smiler2729 says:

      You’re showing classic Hab fan symptoms: no patience.

      I look around the league and so many teams lack quality goaltending (Chicago, Philadelphia, Toronto, Ottawa, Washington, Edmonton, Tampa Bay, Florida and San Jose come to mind) and the fact that we have it and it will keep getting better as the team in front improves is a gift.

      It’s a young core that requires us being patient and not booing them outta town where we lament how good they become on another team (how many times have we seen that movie, eh?).

      Leave Price, Subban, Emelin, Pacioretty, Desharnais, Leblanc and White as your core of youth, keep the much needed veteran presence of Cole, Gorges, Moen and Gionta and all we need is to plug in the remaining roles with the right fits and we’re in the mix again…

      The rest are expendable, damaged and/or trade bait to get what we need.

      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

      • Captain aHab says:

        I guess the RFA contract negotiations for Price and Subban will tell us a bit more. I wonder what they’ll do with them?

        McGuire for GM!
        Roy for Coach!
        Sh*t for Brains!

        • smiler2729 says:

          From what I’ve read and heard both of them want to be in Montreal a long time.

          Hopefully we have a GM with the same vision we have: a fast skating team that sticks up for each other, works its ass off, hits hard and makes playing against them an unpleasant experience.

          Gainey’s Detroit puck possession model was almost there but in the end lacked heart so he blew it up in ’09.
          His attempt at speed and character gave us the initial thrill but ultimately couldn’t compete with the big teams in the end.
          Gauthier’s takeover just plugged all the round holes with square pegs and leaves us in the mess we’re in now.

          Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

          • habstrinifan says:

            In PG’s ESPN interview he didnt sounds as the kid who grew up being a die-hard habs fan. He sounded for the first time as if he wont be emotionally kicked in the butt if he were traded.

            And I have kept my mouth shut but I agree with the poster who have posted many times that Price would bolt Montreal first chance he gets.

      • kholdstare says:

        I’m pretty sure any trade that involves Carey Price would cause a riot. If they 200 or so people went and hugged one another to try and get management to sign Kovy you could just imagine what would happen for someone relevant.

    • ont fan says:

      When you fool around with young assets I believe you are defeating the purpose. Defense and goalies take time. Put Price up for auction and you will see a Nash reaction from other GM’s. I am neutral on the Price debate, but so many teams on the brink of winning the cup have never found a descent goalie . When you have one look to other ways of upgrading.

  62. Marc10 says:

    Julien Brisebois… Come on down!

    And bring Guy with you!

  63. smiler2729 says:

    Great pic of Bunny, Dave, must be 1973 cuz he wore #31 while splitting time with Plasse (#1) and Thomas (#30)… switched to #1 after Plasse went to Pens or was it KC?

    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

  64. habstrinifan says:

    Is not having done a full management shake-up YET just another sorry error coming from HABS executive suites this year.

    Some say wait for the season’s end. I just dont see the value. You can spoil something so badly that it becomes irreparable. I think we are very very close to that point. This is doing deep damage to the the ‘tradition’ of the habs and to its standing.

    Why not act?

    The only reason I can see is that they have identified a GM who is currently employed and wont be ‘let out’ of his contract until the season’s end.

    Surely.. surely.. it’s not because a full shake-up isnt in the plans.

  65. smiler2729 says:

    As for getting draft picks, that’s all fine and dandy but really, seriously, if you’re not picking in the top 5 or 6, you’re getting a crapshoot…unless you have Red Wings or Predators scouts.

    Quebec/Colorado, Ottawa, Pittsburgh, hell even Boston and Philly all got dominant by repeated picks at the top… only Columbus screwed up their repeated trips to the top 5 but their scouts suck.

    Everybody are stuck in the middle, draftwise, standingswise, talentwise…

    Draft-schmaft? Yeah, unless you’re the top.

    The Habs this year can go lottery so do we trust Timmins?

    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

  66. Ian Cobb says:

    No one is going anywhere until the end of the season yard sale give away’s.
    This team is down to it’s bear bones that no one wants except the 10 players we have that CAN play in this league!
    In more than 60 years, I have never witnessed such a product on the ice! What a shame.

  67. nickster13 says:

    ya.. all those deals are brutal except for the 2001 deal which gave us Zednik, Bulis and Perezhogin. I like that deal. Besides that though, BRUTAL! I hope this year we make a splash…

  68. kerrgte says:

    Memo to Pierre Gauthier: You’re fired.

    termination package: one way bus ticket to Gauche Vegan, Quebec plus $2.00 for ear muffs.

    Don’t bother asking for a letter of reference, and close the door on your way out.

  69. aj says:

    Looking at this trade pisses me off on the Habs’s current situation: March 3, 2010: Traded LW Matt D’Agostini to St. Louis for RW Aaron Palushaj

    If only that trade didn’t happen, this team could’ve got some extra grit in either the 2nd or 3rd line.

    • smiler2729 says:

      D’Ags was scoring about 3 goals for every 55 games, I don’t see him lighting it up in St. Louis either.

      The Loosh skates fast and… he can… um, he can… well, he skates fast.

      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

      • Captain aHab says:

        You forgot Palushaj’s signature move of going with speed around the net and then losing the puck.

        But I would like to see him play with a good C for more than a few shifts to really know what we have. We have a tendency here of giving up real quick on assets after giving them less than a good look.

        McGuire for GM!
        Roy for Coach!
        Sh*t for Brains!

        • smiler2729 says:

          Yeah I’d like to see him, Leblanc and St.Denis get real ice time these last 20 games to see if what their true characters are…

          Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

      • aj says:

        @ smiler2729: How many goal did Palushaj did this regular season? NONE! his 1 point is an assist.

        Yeah right! Matt D’Agostini got 3 goals in 55 games. Like Leblanc, he did score. The other one where he got traded from “DID NOT”!

  70. JohnBellyful says:

    So I’m sittin’ watchin’ this sitcom I’ve been a fan of for years and I start thinkin’: I hate the sound track, the people are laughin’ way too loud for ‘jokes’ that deserve a chuckle at best. And the actors in the lead roles are goin’ through the motions.
    I blame it on the director.
    And the more I watch – don’t me ask why – the more I’m thinkin’: It isn’t just the director. No, he needs better script writers so he has some material to work with. But it’s also the cast, they’ve become terrible.
    The show could really use a few changes, like bringing in some new people to star in the sitcom. How hard can that be?
    I’m still watchin’, hoping for the odd belly laugh, maybe even three or four in a row. Sometimes I get lucky and enjoy a few good laughs.
    But more often than not my mind drifts back to when the show won awards and topped the ratings. Where it ranks now doesn’t matter. I tune in hoping for entertainment. That’s all I want. So what if the show’s 10th in its time slot – and sinking fast – right behind Canadian Stamps: An Oral History. As long as it’s funny, I’m happy.
    I’m not happy. I send in letters all the time complaining to the show’s producers what needs to be done but do they listen?
    Would people keep goin’ week after a week to a Broadway show that sucked, or a concert by a local band that made it big but hasn’t sung on-key in years, or a night club act where the magician drops the cards and pulls nothing from a hat as often as he pulls off a neat trick?
    So, why, I keep askin’ myself, do I continue watching a show that’s a shadow of its former self?
    Beats me. Habit I guess.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      A habit for sure my friend. I think for me its more of a compulsive addicted behavior thing. Keep your sense of humor as its helping the rest of us. Maybe we should form a support group and go to meetings and watch golf or something.

      • JohnBellyful says:

        I’m not sure Hab fans could even watch golf without getting emotional or being free with their advice:
        “Seven iron!! Gimme a break. From there??!! You gotta be kiddin’!! Yeah, sand trap! I knew it! Who’s this guy’s caddy?… Nice recovery. Three feet from the hole…He missed! Can you believe it, he missed! Whatta jerk! The putz can’t put!”
        Hmmmm. You play chess, H’fan?
        Pawn to C4

    • AliHaba says:

      Nice to see that you’re back on track John. Actually there were some belly laughs last night but for the wrong reasons. I almost choked on my beer when Kaberle made no effort to intercept the pass leading to goal #1 for the Caps. And how about Gomez missing the wide open net because the puck came to him too quickly? Both cases of supposed veterans sleeping on the job.

      • JohnBellyful says:

        The only explanation I can offer for Kaberle’s non-play is that he didn’t realize there was a Capital left covered behind him and he didn’t want to touch the puck for fear of deflecting it into the net.
        Then again it was Kaberle, and the play was in the Canadiens’ end so …
        Didn’t see the Gomez miss but will it add to his catalogue of sins I’m compiling.

    • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

      Thank you for this post and the ensuing comments. Made my bleak, windy morning.

      Lost a bottle of Kraken during this debacle of a season. Better gettem next year.

  71. Mad Habber says:

    Who said the Habs never deal players for picks look at that Damphousse deal. To bad they all turned out to be bust.

  72. JohnBellyful says:

    Okaaaaay …. so much for Trade Day being a cornerstone in the club’s rebuild. Draft Day it is then.

  73. HabsFansince49 says:

    And now the derelict organization is in the hands of the Ghost…what chance do we have?

  74. Captain aHab says:


    McGuire for GM!
    Roy for Coach!
    Sh*t for Brains!

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