Nice win!

Martin lauds Weber

About yesterday afternoon …

Gomez as a checker?

• Tim Thomas was amazing, but Leafs helped Habs

The greatest player in the world is on fire

Michael Farber remembers Jim Kelley

And because we are fans of the greatest goaltender in the league and can afford to be magnanimous, check out Thomas’s miraculous save

And then CP’s on Chad Larose



  1. Bob Dobbs says:

    Thanks for all the replies! I hear what you’re saying 24 Cups, but I still wouldn’t mind swapping Gomez for Richards. I still have a few questions though…

    Can Gomez be sent to Europe mid-season?

    I assume if a team snags him on waivers and forces us to pay half his sallary, this is only when we call him back up, not if we send him down in the first place?

    And Malreq you say anyone with a NMC can be sent down, but I thought you couldn’t send down a player if he was a certain age at the time of signing?

  2. notbigbird says:

    I fail to understand. It’s not all that speculative since it was what was actually done in the game. Gomez did gets lots of ice time and did play that role. I didn’t read the article as being negative, but to each his own slant on the world.

  3. Chris says:

    Salary can be relevant, as in the case of Brian McCabe, where a small-market team struggling financially needs a player to get to the salary cap floor.  Players whose actual salaries are dramatically lower than their salary cap hit represent a financial boon for those teams, as the team can appear to be spending to the floor while in fact spending markedly less.  Less money for salaries equals smaller operating losses.

    In a league where something like half the teams are seeing operating losses, that can be an important factor if the team looks to deal Gomez in two years’ time.

  4. Psycho29 says:

    I had CKAC on in the car last night, the subject that the host Marc Bryson put out there was what moves (if any) should Pierre Gauthier make now that there’s cap space available due to Markov’s injury?

    Most callers said none right now, no need to panic with the club doing so well. Some said try and unload Gomez….

    One guy said trade Subban to the Leafs for a “pur laine” like Francois Beauchemin. He didn’t last long on the air…

    A few mentioned signing M-A Bergeron….The host alluded to Michel Bergeron’s statement that MAB “wasn’t well liked in the room last season”. Had anyone else heard that before?

  5. Bugs says:

    No spread. Straight-up. Who wins?

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

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  6. Chris says:

    “If Mr. Basu the professional, and the rest of the amateur Gomophobes here, don’t get this, then they’re beyond reach of fact and logic.”

    Or they, quite simply, have a differing opinion than you do.  That does not make them beyond the reach of fact and logic. 

    Let’s state another inane syllogism:

    • P1:  We are winning.
    • P2:  Scott Gomez has been struggling mightily in the role he was expected to play this season while the team has been winning.
    • C:  We would be winning more easily if Scott Gomez was not struggling mightily.

    Not that I believe that that is necessarily true, but it is an equally valid conclusion based on “fact and logic”, as you describe them. 

  7. diehardhab says:

    Dressing 7 defencemen might not be a bad move but who sits out? Darche has been awesome lately and pyatt is a key penalty killer on the top ranked pk unit in the league.

    The torch be yours to hold it high!

  8. Bugs says:

    I’m not saying that. I pointed that Poolio thing out to SHOW I wasn’t saying that. YOU’RE making this into “if he does this, then he should do this”. I didn’t say that.

    I said, and always say, “production is production”, no matter who, what, where. Gomie has more than Eller. That ain’t MY fault. It’s got nothing to do with ME.

    Therefore, EVEN with “Eller on the way up and Gomie sideways at best”, if Gomie produces more or just as much on the 3rd as Eller above on the 2nd, it won’t stick. Cuz it’s ONLY about production. And vets takes precedence. That’s how it works, Pup. Not my fault.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  9. habs365 says:

    Credit to the Habs..they earned their three goals from sharks turnovers and by their forchecking..let’s just say there was enough offense to get the win.

  10. Tremblant Habs Fan says:

    The Titans have mailed it in, Jags should easily win especially with 3.5. Bills have been in so many close games lately playing real competetive football, I’d take them with 5.5 and besides, I heard on Twitter that God was taking them this week too.

  11. SeriousFan09 says:

    1. Get PK back in, he needs to play to develop and as 24 Cups mentioned, we are facing a Markov-less future for the time being so he needs to built up. Rotate the 7 Ds for now, test resting the elder defencemen for alternate nights so they can have something in the tank for the playoffs.

    2. That’s a load of crap, I don’t think has had such a talented, motivated defencemen to work with since he had Zdeno Chara under him in OTT. I think JM gives too much leeway to his veterans making mistakes, but he’s shown more patience and better understanding with his rookies this season. JM just wants Subban to play the defence portion of his position more.

    If I might digress…

    PK is a player who since his later days in the OHL has been one of the best players on the ice each game, either side, excepting situations like the WJC where everyone was a star. He’s become very used to being able to take control of a game solely on his talent, he was one of the best defencemen in the entire AHL last season and became a playoff star as nobody really knew how to deal with him in the WSH/PIT games. He is used to his talent getting him out of trouble, but now that he’s in the NHL, JM wants him to play more responsibly because at this level, PK is still a special player but he’s not one of the five best defencemen in the league either and can’t bail himself out each time on a high-risk play that goes wrong.

    3. Whatever is good for the team.

    4. Eller, he’s the more talented player and Halpern while an effective checking center, is older and his best days are behind him.

    5. I’d give the edge to Carey.



    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  12. adam76 says:

    He has had a couple of bad games, but overall he has played well.  In fact, the while defensive core is a plus 6, just outstanding team D.

  13. showey47 says:

    When your team spends to the cap actual dollars being paid is pretty much irrelevent. It has everything to do with actual cap hit. For example,he is making 8 million this year and 7.5 next year but his cap hit is 7.357 because in the last 2 years of his contract he makes 5.5 and 4.5 respectively.

  14. likehoy says:

    roman hamrlik = this years unsung hero

    he’s been effective and hasn’t made any mistakes…and he’s scoring at .5 ppg

    – Gomez is holding down the suck button

  15. Chris says:
    • 2010-11:  $8.0 Million
    • 2011-12:  $7.5 Million
    • 2012-13:  $5.5 Million
    • 2013-14:  $4.5 Million

    The cap hit for all of those years remains the same ($7.357 Million), as the cap hit is the average salary over the lifetime of the contract.

  16. Tremblant Habs Fan says:

    If you’re getting 5.5 with the Boys, that’s who I would take, Colts are banged up, they’re really missing Bob Sanders.

  17. Chris says:

    With just over a third of the season complete, how many of the knowledgeable hockey experts out there had Alexander Ovechkin tied for 17th place in the NHL with 11 goals.

    He’s on pace for 30-35 goals this season.

    His last three seasons: 65 goals (on 446 shots), 56 goals (on a staggering 528 shots), 50 goals (on 368 shots).

    Anybody else thinking the Russian Bear is going to wake up soon and Washington is going to get real scary?  I keep reading that Canada showed in the Olympics how “easy it was to defend Ovechkin”.  Somehow, I think he will prove those people wrong…how’s that for going out on a perilous limb?  :)

  18. K-hab25 says:

    1. Plekanec 2. Halpern 3. Darche

  19. Bugs says:

    If Rusty “Deer in headlights rook” Smith is QBing the Titans, it’s game over. Broken Kerry Collins starts? Eeeenh…could be trouble. Still goin with Jags either way. Jones-Drew, man. And they have the luck’o’the devil. Fuhgeddabowdit.

    And asking the Bills question is answering it, Showey. Plus, the new Vike coach is taking NOOOO chances. He understands that to win, you must GIVE THE BALL TO ADRIAN. Vikes. Easy win.

    You don’t think the Colts are questioning themselves? And that they can get it together to pull it off with no running-backs and without half his WR corps against a resurgent new-coach Cowboy squad? I dunno…tricky.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  20. tintin says:

    does anybody knows how much Gomez makes next year?

  21. SmartDog says:

    A. We are winning.

    B. Gomez is sucking.

    C. We are winning because Gomez is sucking!  Yaaayy!!


  22. 24 Cups says:

    The answer is yes but it’s not a clear cut move.  He would have to pas through waivers and if he did so, then he would have to stay in Hamilton for another three years.  If we brought him back up, we could lose him on waivers and be stuck with half his salary.

    However, that’s really not the point.  Sending Gomez to the minors would probably destroy the chemistry on the team.  The other signed UFAs on the team might rebel and there would be little hope of bringing any other UFAs into the fold.  Besides, G&G would never do it so it’s a mute point.

    The team has done so well after playing 1/3 of the season.  Not to mention that they have done so without theri best Dman and one of their top six forwards.  That’s cause for celebration.  It’s a hard pill to swallow, but we really have no choice but to accept the fact that Gomez is here and wait for him to get back on track.  That will bode well for the future of the team and also act as an insurance policy in case one of our regulars gets hurt.

    Losing Markov for the rest of the year is a much bigger issue than Gomez’s crappy play.

  23. blu3chip says:

    ok, are you so sure that the Habs would win more games if we shed Gomez? Are you confident enough to bet all your money into it?

    Bottom line is, Gomez would be a solid 2nd line centre in all teams, if not the 1st line. 8 mil is a lot, but there are bad contracts in every team, and Gomez’s is the one we have to deal with.

    I would say Gomez worth around 4 to 5 mil. So we are essentially wasting 2 to 3 mil (remember his cap hit is 7.357 mil, not 8).

    Losing 2 to 3 mil cap space is significant, but definitely not the end of the world.

  24. SmartDog says:

    A thought from the conversation below about line changes.

    Which forwards this year are tops in making the players around them better (or producing regardless of where they are)?  For me it’s

    #1. Plekanec

    #2. Pouliot

    #3. Kostitsyn


  25. SmartDog says:

    As green as Eller is, I agree with you in 4. I don’t see Halpern as a 2nd line center… but I wouldn’t want to break up Eller-Pouliot-Darche… so I thikn I’d prefer Halpenr as an experiment first. He sure looked good with Pouliot.

  26. SmartDog says:

    Pouliot’s not a rookie. He’s also a high level first round pick. Like you, I’m a big fan of his.  But you can’t say he has more points than Gomez so Eller should too.  There’s no logic there Bugs.  Eller admitedly is still green and it would be a gamble but unlike Gomez, Eller IS GETTING BETTER.  Eller’s on the way up. Gomer… sideways at best.

  27. showey47 says:

    I’m taking the colts. What your take on the jags/titans and buffalo”these guys screw me every week”bills/vikings?

  28. showey47 says:

    Darche is on pace to put up about 30-35 points this year. Who would have thought?

  29. Malreg says:

    Yes, anyone who does not have a NMC (no-movement clause) can be sent to the minors.  The player has to be put on waivers first, and if they clear the team can assign him to the AHL.

    That being said, I doubt it would EVER happen, and if it did, it would be in the offseason.  No matter how much money your franchise makes, owners do not want to have to pay a guy $8 million a year to not even play.  It wook 3 years of Wade Redden playing like crap before Sather managed to convince his boss to let him send him down. 

  30. blu3chip says:

    We can send him to Europe, like how Chicago did with Huet. Cap hit will be off the book.

  31. Bob Dobbs says:

    Is it *possible* to send Gomez to the minors and have his salary removed
    from the salary cap? This is a suprisingly difficult fact to check, I
    search for an answer…

  32. Bugs says:

    So why does my boy Poolio have more pts than Gomie? He also gets “half the time”, is also “getting better quickly”, “plays just as much a defensive role” as Eller does and “doesn’t play with the quality of guys Gomie does”, no?

    Production is production, Pup. Eller HAD some chances on the top lines. Did you miss that? He had some shots. Didn’t work out to be better than Gomie’s production at the time. Yes, he got better since and no, I have no problem with promoting him upwards. What I’m SAYING IS: if he DOESN’T produce at the rate Gomie produces BELOW HIM, Gomie CAN’T be left on the 3rd. Cuz he’s a vet. That’s how it works.

    So PUT Eller up. Fine. 3-5 games (max you can expect in rook vs vet position assignment test). If he PRODUCES more than Gomie produces on the 3rd, keep’m there. If not, Gomie goes back.

    That’s how it works, Pup. Ain’t makin anything up here.

    As for WHO will actually do WHAT playing with WHO, I can’t see the future, so cannot categorically state with “no question” what the rook will do with the vet’s tools.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  33. LA Loyalist says:

    Ok. Now we’re asking for him to become a next-gen Bob Gainey, Guy Carbonneau, Brian Skrudland… IF he were willing and put his heart into it, I would be for it. We have to pay him anyway, no one is going to trade for him. He’s a good skater. He has to commit to it.

    And the upside is we would be done with the pretence that he is an offensive force. We would all be THRILLED out of our minds to have any one of Gainey, Carbo or Skrudland.

    Finally a pinpoint of the light of hope. 


  34. C3P1 says:

    that is literally the exact same save that price made on laRose


    Avon Old Farms: 2007, 2008 & 2010 New England Division I Hockey Champions – #5

  35. light_n_tasty says:

    e) is paid $7.125 million less than Gomez.

  36. 24 Cups says:

    1. A semi-rotation is the answer for our D.  With Markov’s career on hold, how can we not develop Subban as an offensive defenseman?  Playing Dmen on the 4th line is a questionable coaching tactic.  I can only see it if the guy is 6’4″ and 225lbs.  Otherwise, forget it.

    2. False.  Not really.

    3.  Gomez is here for three more years so Martin has to find the right fit for the overpaid player.  In this day and age of UFA and cap restrictions, every team seems to have one of these guys.  We have no choice but to wait for Gomez to catch on fire.

    4.  Halpern can not be a 2nd line centre.  He doesn’t have the offensive tools to make that happen on a long term basis.  Give Eller the ice time and let him develop. 

    5.  Thomas’ style of play always makes some of his stops look better.  It’s Johnny Bower revisited.

  37. light_n_tasty says:

    Yah, but he plays for BOSTON so automatically he’s worse than our goalie.

  38. light_n_tasty says:

    How about, we are winning in spite of Gomez and it’s frustrating to imagine what the potential of this team could be if $8million wasn’t wasted on this hack.

  39. SmartDog says:

    Interesting to watch Stock and Hrudey talk about Gomez. They did it for a long time – twice.  Also interesting how Stock showed that Gomer is cutting corners.  And when Stock said “if Gomez steps it up” and then said “if he can”… Hrudey said “oh yeah, he can” and Stock said “I’m not so sure”.

  40. VancouverHab says:

    That’s right: it was pure speculation of ‘what if” and the “what if” was “what if we change what’s working for the team because negativity about Scott Gomez is the emotional issue of the moment among journalists.”

    We had a similarly-speculative “what if” yesterday from an H-I/O poster: ‘let’s trade Gomez and a 2nd round pick for Sean Avery.’ Same negative attitude, same [adjective] speculation.

    Except the commentor did it for free and in three simple sentences….

  41. Bugs says:

    Be that as it may, LT, top numbers in the League, he must be doin SUMTHIN right while “outta position”, no?

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

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  42. Danno says:



    A : We are winning

    B: We are winning with this Subway commercial being played during every game

    C: The Douze Pouces – Cinq Dollars song is contributing to our glorious……………


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  43. SmartDog says:

    With respect Bugs, your suggestion that Eller doesn’t have as many points as Gomez holds about as much water as sprinkler connected to a fire hydrant.


    Eller has fewer points but he’s a rookie who

    gets HALF the time on ice Gomer does

    b) is getting better and better quickly

    plays a largely defensive role and

    d) doesn’t play with the quality of
    guys Gomez does. 

    Give Eller Gomez’s time and line mates and he’ll have
    more points, no question.



  44. light_n_tasty says:

    TimmyTom had to strech out more and do the horizontal cross-crease dive because he has absolutely no ability to move laterally in the butterfly and is always out of position.

  45. LA Loyalist says:

    I take no pleasure in the cipher that is Gomez. And just because there is criticism doesn’t mean he is being “bashed” unfairly at all. 

    My problem with his defenders is there is no specificity to the defense. “oh the team is winning”, “oh he’s providing intangibles”. He is covered in the glory of everyone else’s hard work. And if he’s so great on “intangibles” why does everyone who plays with him do worse?

    So bring your “fact and logic” – we’ve been waiting for it all year and it has yet to materialize.

    It’s like “hope and change” – much smoke and mirrors signifying squat. Sorry Shakespeare.



  46. VancouverHab says:

    Well, if your “C:” is that “We are winning in part because of Gomez” then, again, it’s as true as any statement can be….

    (Oh, and I do indeed love the Yay!! ;–)

  47. SmartDog says:

    Given the options it might not be a bad thing.  Gomez would have a lot to prove and might step it up.  If he fails at that, the Dogs could have an AWESOME first line center!

  48. notbigbird says:

    Did you read it? It involved giving Gomez lots of ice time and playing against the top lines.

  49. VancouverHab says:

    OK, done! See above.

  50. SmartDog says:

    C’mon, just cut to the chase.  It goes like this:

    P1. We are winning.

    P2: Gomez is on the team

    C: We are winning because of Gomez!!!!!! Yaaayy!!


  51. light_n_tasty says:

    There are 8-million reasons why he shouldn’t be a checker.  Either he starts scoring or we have no use for him.

  52. Bugs says:

    One question left:

    Cowboys or Colts?

    Honestly. Ain’t as easy as it looks. All sortsa torn up about it.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  53. light_n_tasty says:

    1.  Put PK back in and rotate 7 D.  Don’t put any of the D on forward, just let the 7th D man take some minutes away from Spacek, Hamr, Gill, and Georges.  Scratch Gomez and let the forwards eat some extra minutes.

    2. False. Gomez.

    3. I’m against Gomez, both as a scorer or checker.  If you are going to play him as a centre might as well waive him out of the league and put Laps back at centre.

    4. Halpern.  I think Eller will stay with Poulio & Darche.

    5. Price. Just ’cause.

  54. SmartDog says:

    I have an idea.  Why not discredit a really good sportswriter as a hack because he says something you don’t agree with. 

    Even though his inspiration for the story is based in the coaches own line changes. LOL

    And Bugs isn’t saying that it’s a terrible idea… he’s questioning it based on some reasoning.  REASONING. Try it!  But see my rebutal above.

  55. VancouverHab says:

    To add to my dismissal below of Mr. Basu’s airy nothings on Scott Gomez, I’ll add that he should have read Mr. Hickey’s article today. JM (because he has to make decisions that are substantive and has to actually win games) doesn’t like mucking about with a winning lineup.

    Let’s state the obvious syllogism, shall we?

    • P1: We are winning.
    • P2: We are winning with Scott Gomez playing solid minutes (more minutes yesterday than Pleks)
    • C: Scott Gomez is contributing to our glorious, wonderful, enjoyable joyous Winning.

    If Mr. Basu the professional, and the rest of the amateur Gomophobes here, don’t get this, then they’re beyond reach of fact and logic. They are free, of course, to be ruled by emotion, and let their emotional negativity produce immiserating distortions of Scott Gomez in a time of great happiness, success and bright future.

    It’s a free country. But do understand those of us who stand off and utterly refuse to join in with those who find perverse pleasure in devising bitterness and dark in a time of sweetness and light.

  56. nfldanchor says:

    Subban is our future ,one of the best draft picks in years. Wake up Martin and put him back in the lineup! Also I have to admit Carey Price is an awesome surprise and is the best goalie in the entire league this year.

  57. SmartDog says:


    1. What do you do with PK? How about leave Weber in and put PK on the 4th line.  If not – what?

    2. Timo has suggested that JM doesn’t like PK.  True or false?  Is there anyone JM treats unfairly or preferentially?

    3. Gomez as checking line center. For or against?

    4. If Gomez IS moved to the 2nd or 3rd line, who’s a more likely 2nd line center: Eller or Halpern.

    5. We know which goalie is better, but which spectacular save was better, Price on Larose or Thomas on Beauchemin?


  58. SmartDog says:

    Just as signifcant Ian, our goals FOR position rose by four places. 

    Nice to see.  It’s the missing piece in our  becoming a dominating team.

  59. SmartDog says:

    Basu makes a good argument.  There’s another good reason for Gomez to take up checking line center duties. Then he might learn to support the D better.  PJ Stock was all over him for not coming back last night, and if you look at his +/- it shows he’s not doing his job at either end.

  60. Habscore says:

    Definitely not impressed by Timmy’s save…Price had to actually stretch his body out to make his miraculous and talentuous save 😉

    PJ Stock actually mentioned smtg interesting yesterday..if Gomez was the player he was last season, the Habs would be at a much higher level..can you imagine???
    Yet I still believe that Gomez is not to be blamed for Gio’s lack of scoring



  61. VancouverHab says:

    Thanks a million Bugs — having you on-side on the two big questions of the moment is really rallying for the chaps.

    I too thought that Mr. Basu expended a large inventory of Words of Speculation to say nothing more than “Hi! I’m on the Gomez-bashing bandwagon.”

    Keep it comin’ O Fluently-Bilingual One.

  62. Timo says:

    He is saving himself for the playoffs. This is when the real Gomez power will be unleashed. Combined with MAB’s presence on the point, this team is going places in the post season.

  63. habitual says:

    Yes.  I also think that a good indicator is the difference between a team’s goals for and goals against.  I haven’t ground out what they are for everyone but we are a + 17 in that category, behind Pittsburg and Philly, but tied with Washington.

  64. Bugs says:

    That one was extraordinary, and the save on Larose was sorta like Thomas’.

    But Timmy stretched out more, horizontal cross-crease dive (more so than the Larose one) made it look more desperate and more elegant at the same time. AND he caught it (not so on the Crosby one). PLUS, it was a GAME-saver (even though they didn’t ultimately win).

    Thomas’ best of the year. Can’t see how it can be topped.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  65. j2w4habs25 says:

    Is Gomez playing on the 4th line?? I think JM gots to pull a Gainey and send him home for a few days and think whats up!!! because with the money he is being paid he should be better than that. Hes gotta find himself soon.

  66. Danno says:

    With Price it’s getting to be like a box of chocolates. Personally, I like this one.


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  67. ZepFan2 says:

    “Don’t know how it can even be topped.”


    Cause I seem to remmeber Pricey making that same kinda save before old Timmy Tom?!

    Maybe you missed it?

    Enjoy…Price robs LaRose


    “Young people have seen that a team can play electrifying, fascinating hockey while still behaving like gentlemen.”

    ~Serge Savard~

  68. Ian Cobb says:

    We do have a contender ERIC. Not over the top for sure, but we are in this thing all the way.

  69. dre1744 says:

    I also like Prices save off LaRose better

  70. Ian Cobb says:

    Here is this weeks report on where we place in this 30 team league and compare to last week.

    The 1st most important statistic is goals against, for it measures the total team play.

    The second of course is total team points in the standings. So here goes.


    Goals Against–53.   We are in   2nd place.   Last week we were in   2nd place.

    Total Points—-36.   We are in   4th place.    Last week we were in   4th place.

    Goals For——-71.   We are in 15th place.    Last week we were in  19th place.


    The total point stat is very solid this year, particularly in the era of 3 point games as seen last night with Boston and Toronto.

    I did not mind Toronto beating Boston, as Boston is closer to us in the standings. But what bothers me is that Boston still gets a point for losing.

    So it is very difficult to gain much separation between teams in the standings with 3 point games in play now.

    But our record of winning in regulation time, preventing the opposition from acquiring a point is very good so far this year.

  71. Bugs says:

    Greatest save of the year for Thomas. Don’t know how it can even be topped.

    Don Cherry is a character. That’s all. Gettin all bent outta shape for what he says just seems so…well, whatever. Me, I like the guy. And I’m French! No clichés ever from this guy, just his friggin opinion like anyone else’s and a coupla goon stories from 1948 peppered in here and there for good measure, that’s all. He’s not burning a cross in the United Nations, ferpetessakes; he’s talkin about HOCKEY. And big, blustery old-timers are entertaining, no matter how you cut it. I think he’s great, actually. Go figure. 

    Gomie as a checker. Let’s examine: Halpie as 2nd. How long could he sustain it? Eller? He has less pts than Gomie and if Gomie starts producing more on the 3rd against lesser opposition, you won’t be allowed to keep him there. My boy Poolio? Hmm, maybe… Anyway, interesting to see how this all plays out.

    On Soobie: We won the game. Weber played good…at his natural position (playing him 4th-line forward is COUNTER-productive; we’ve seen with OUR OWN EYES that he’s NEITHER Streit nor Bergeron, he’s Weber, a defenceman and ONLY a defenceman). And he got another point. Can’t take’m out. Can’t take Picard out. Best +/- on the D. Can’t take out a veteran who ain’t injured or who’s playing well. You don’t change the sauce when you’re winnin.

    Soobie can sit another.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  72. JohnBellyful says:

    While speculation will mount whether or not PK will continue his learning curve by sitting out another game, you gotta feel sorry for Dustin Boyd (forget, for the moment, the pay cheque he’s receiving). You remember Boyd, right, the plain-clothes ‘member’ of the team? Geez, you’d think he’d stub his toe, try to catch the flu or eat two Double Downs cuz it can’t look on his resume being a healthy scratch so often.

  73. coachdoug says:

    I love Arpon’s articles…but he is killing me with the Gomez as a “checker” stuff…If it gets to that Arpon the Habs need to buy him out (Sell a few more brews Molson’s) and create something called Cap Space…

    Between Gomer and Markov you got a top six Center…5-6th D-man…plus a good checking line forward…Eastern Conference “fire-sales” will be happening soon…

    This team is for real this year…a few pieces of the puzzle and we got a shot…

    “Six more years…God Bless You Turtleneck Man!”

  74. twocents says:

    Even those of us who were optimistic about this season before it began, and I stated this was the best team this franchise has iced since ’93, have to admit you couldn’t predict some of this. If someone were to look forward at the schedule and say the Habs would beat the Devils and the Sharks in these early December games… without Markov or Subban in the lineup… they would have come off a bit… over excited?

  75. gm50 says:

    I may be a wee bit biased, but I still prefer Price’s save on LaRose. He had a lot more free net to protect, and less time to do so. But I’ll still give Thomas credit for a brilliant save. Damn bruin.

  76. Mike Boone says:

    Oh, Price is way better than Thomas. But it was a helluva save.

  77. munch17 says:

    Has anyone noticed that Hamilton is tops in AHL – even without Guy Boucher? And how much Weber has inmproved? And that MaxPac had 2 more goals last night.

    Meanwhile the Habs are playing a real TEAM game. I hope though that we try to create a little more scoring with our top two lines ( in the long run we need Gomer to produce) and that we don’t go into our annual Dec23-Jan 31 tailspin. It might be a good time to give MaxPac another chance.

  78. nightmare_49 says:


    …  Steve Simmon’s Sunday Rant:


    Simmons says … It’s official: Kessel trade has turned into a disaster for Leafs


    Brian should not be hiding

    Brian Burke, who’s never met a controversy he ran from, rarely ducks an interview or the opportunity to discuss the state of his hockey club — but he did turn down a request to appear on Hockey Night In Canada’s pre-game show Saturday night. Why? He won’t say, other than to say he routinely turns down all kinds of interview requests. The truth may well be that Burke is upset at Hockey Night, in particular Don Cherry, for his regular rants about coach Ron Wilson. He was also not happy with the Mike Milbury shots of late. In the past, Burke has complained to various levels about the potshots at Wilson and at the Leafs by others, but these days with the team in free fall, he really shouldn’t play the low-profile game. This remains the largest audience for the Leafs: Better for Burke to face the music than run from it.

    Read more of Simmon’s article …

  79. Keith says:

    The “Burke” can only take the adulation, not the criticism. Such a POS he is.

  80. Psycho29 says:

    Cherry changed his tune last night, saying that the fans shouldn’t boo the Leafs, that this team is trying hard out there and deserve their support. Boo-Hoo….

    Of course he went on another PK Subban rant about him being scratched from the lineup….among the things he said:

    “I tried to warn this kid how many times? Every week I tried to warn him, Ya gotta play with the team. You can’t be running around doing stupid things. And all the media guys said ‘I don’t think so. He’s an exciting personality’. All you guys out there who don’t know, Oh it’s so exciting.”

    “You can’t play that way, and JACK Martin realized he gave 2 goals away. You gotta play within the team. Now he’s a good player but he’s got to realize he’s not a hotdog out there.”

    Ron McLean asked him if after 2 wins without him, do you keep him out….Cherry replied “Of course…You don’t put him in until you lose a game! Of course…JACK Martin knows, I know, other people don’t know! That’s why you watch Coaches Corner!

    I think they should get Cherry a nice comfy chair to sit in like Archie Bunker had on All In The Family…

  81. nightmare_49 says:


       Jim Matheson’s Hockey World:


       Atlanta Thrashers’ Ondrej Pavelec is the best goalie in hockey right now -the same guy who fainted a couple of minutes into an Oct. 8 game against the Washington Capitals

       Read more:

  82. JF says:

    Not much Jacques Martin bashing going on this season.  The team is playing well, executing a defensive system that works superbly, and most of JM’s adjustments are effective.  He is unquestionably the best coach the Habs have had in a very long while.  And the team does not play a boring trap style.  They are fast, exciting, and creative.

    One of the classiest aspects of JM’s coaching is that he never criticizes his players to the media.  As fans, we’re quick to jump on any player who we feel is under-performing, and we’re rather too free with asterisk-laced expletives.  But Martin always finds a way to put a positive spin on things.  Thus, Subban’s scratching the last two games is not punishment but part of the learning curve all rookies have to go through.  Putting Scott Gomez on the fourth line with Pyatt and Lapierre yesterday was not a demotion but a way to change things up and generate some energy.  The players certainly appreciate Martin’s approach and respond positively; being criticized publicly can do nothing to enhance a player’s confidence.  Subban gave all the right replies when asked about his benching, and he sounded as though he meant them; Scott Gomez simply says that what’s important is that the team is winning.  Even when the team gives a thoroughly bad performance, JM does not call out specific players. He says “certains joueurs” did not play well, or the team needs to improve “certaines choses.”  Last season we used to joke about his bland, content-free press conferences, but this season I think we can appreciate his reticence better, and also the fact that he doesn’t hesitate to hand out praise, particularly to rookies.

  83. twocents says:

    To summarize…

    When we win, everything seems better. ;o)

  84. nightmare_49 says:


       Peoria Rivermen nip Hamilton Bulldogs 2-1–peoria-rivermen-nip-hamilton-bulldogs-2-1


      Goaltenders star in great battle around nets


       Game Summary …

  85. Keith says:

    I think he (Cherry) needs to be put in the old folks home. At least Archie Bunker was a ficticious character, not so for Chesterfield Cherry. i can’t believe that people still think he’s the God of Saturday Night. He’s just a bitter old man who hates the Habs and everybody else who doesn’t root for his laffs or Booins. Please Don, just go away will ya?

  86. habitual says:

    I didn’t hear that part, I tuned in to hear him say the team’s future is with Subban, not Webber, so Subban goes back in.  And I thought that was acutally a smart comment.

  87. B says:

    I think Cherry has become a caricature of himself, a familiar persona which he puts on for the media like a comfy old jacket while laughing all the way to the bank. I don’t take what he says any more seriously than what Eric Peterson says as Oscar Leroy on Corner Gas. Both those characters are good for a laugh but should not be taken seriously enough to get upset over. If you get tired of the re-runs, then just don’t watch.

  88. canadiens26 says:

    CBC is an utter disgrace these days. How can they continue to employ Don “Bigot” Cherry and Bob Cole? Cole is at least five seconds behind the play all the time, Yes he was a great announcer 10 years ago, and Cherry is a disgrace to Canada and makes me sick every time he opens his mouth. I am glad they only broadcast hockey once a week.


  89. Psycho29 says:

    I have the coaches corner on my PVR, he said keep PK out until the team loses. I doubt he even knows who Weber is…..Unless he said something different after the Laffs game when he was in a good mood…

  90. The Beer Guy says:

    The best part about that clip was, it wasn’t from The CBC. Why are our tax dollars still pay for that is beyond me.


    You’re going to love my nuts!

  91. nightmare_49 says:


       Rumours Garrioch’s Sunday Dreams:


       Bieksa a good, gritty fit for Sens


       Senators GM Bryan Murray could be eyeing some help from the West Coast.

  92. nightmare_49 says:


       from Larry Brooks:


      Rangers’ spare parts prevent them from acquiring Stars’ Richards

       For the longer general manager Glen Sather keeps such expensive spares on the roster, the more difficult it will become to deal for the Stars’ Brad Richards once the financially distressed franchise yields to reality and seeks to move the impending free agent blue-chip center.



      Bettman must act to save sinking Isles

       Charles Wang is not getting his Lighthouse. That does not give him the right to act as the equivalent of a slumlord for the remaining four years of his team’s lease at Nassau Coliseum, an arena that was hockey’s big stage three decades ago but now stands as a living tomb haunted by memories.

  93. HabFab says:

    Glad to see your links.

  94. Timo says:

    I know, I am in minority, or probably in solitude, but JM still rubs me the wrong way. And no matter how they try to spin it, Subban’s sitting was because JM plain and simple does not like the guy. Just like with OB – the guy could do no right, Subbie seems to be heading the same direction. JM will bench his a@@ for every single mistake while floaters like Gomez and JM’s new golden boy Weber will be enjoying the benefits of “learning” from mistakes. 

  95. twocents says:

    Timo, there’s always someone who’s not going to like a coach’s style, and if you’re not a prime candidate for that, I can’t imagine who is! ;o)

    But, you’ve got a lot of fancy dancing to do if you want to make a credible argument for comparing the treatment of O’Byrne and Subban. PK was getting top D minutes and being used in key situations before being benched. Is that indicative of Martin not liking him?

    These are two very different situations. O’Byrne’s problems started long before Martin arrived. Benching isn’t only used for one purpose.

    O’Byrne was being assessed, Subban is being groomed.

  96. Ian Cobb says:

    Not to worry Timo, he will come back with a new sense of defensive responsibilities. It is all part of the process. The kid will take this and turn it into a positive. He is very savvy, mentally.

  97. Timo says:

    I stopped trying to make a credible argument starting my second post here… about 3 or so years ago. I think there are enough folks on this site to provide “analysis” of this and that. I just speak from the heart, whether it makes sense to anybody or not. (i’ll give you that, most of the time it doesn’t)


    I will stay with my opinion of JM’s treatment of Subban.

  98. HabFab says:

    Timo has and continues to be our Yang!

  99. twocents says:

    That’s why we like you, Timo.

  100. nightmare_49 says:


       Frank – PC problems, i’ve been pulling my hair out, no offence intented, punkster. ………..  Heres the link to the Islanders sinking from Brooks …

  101. twocents says:

    Nice to see ya back, Bryan!

  102. HabFab says:

    Bryan, it wasn’t a complaint. Like Eric said, was missing your stuff. Weekend mornings don’t seem complete without reading your links and comments.

  103. nightmare_49 says:


     F – I know it wasn’t a complaint, it’s just that my PC has been online last month about as much as OB played this season before the trade. I’m thinking of changing NM_49 to trojan_49, lol. Thanks guys.

  104. JD_ says:

    As an aside, don’t know if it was obvious to TV viewers, yesterday, but Price was really launchin’ those first-star pucks into the stands. None of this weak-kneed lobbin’-over-the-boards stuff; he was really crankin’ ’em. Think he might have been aimin’ for certain fans, and not in a friendly way. Someone out there run with this, run like the wind.

    Generally speakin’, your description of the dynamic behind contract negotiations is a bit utopian, $0.02, as it describes the exceptions that prove the rule. Some players, for a variety of reasons, will take a hometown discount – e.g., Benoye Brunet wanted to remain a Hab, at all costs – but, for the most part, players don’t have fully developed emotional IQs in their 20s and I have to assume they associate the value of their deal with their value as hockey players. This is is why polls of overrated players are always based on salary and play, versus just play.

    In addition, I just don’t believe any player is actually goin’ to believe he will not live up to his contract, cause if he delivers, the money won’t matter. A player who walks into a situation where he doesn’t think he’ll cut it is probably not goin’ to be among the league’s elites; their brains don’t function that way.

    Moreover, agents are compensated via a % of the contract’s value and will find it difficult to consistently rein in potentially overpriced contracts and the NHLPA would probably frown on any trends which work against salary inflation, no matter how well-meanin’. Even an untouchable star like Raymond Bourque got a workin’ over by Cam Neely for always playin’ ball with Sinden, in order to remain a Broonz.

    A responsible agent can explain the consequences of chasin’ big dollars to any player, but I seriously doubt the average player can be compelled to believe he isn’t worth every penny. I am specifically talkin’ about the league’s elite, the ones from among whom you will generally find the overpaid.

    This reasonin’ wouldn’t apply in the case of, say, Tie Domi, who famously couldn’t believe the money he was bein’ offered by the Loafs. Frankly, nobody could. Scientists at MIT’s Laboratory Dedicated to The Understandin’, If At All Achievable, of The Reason for Tie Domi continue their heroic and arduous research.

  105. HardHabits says:

    PK at forward? Let me guess. The Habs must be winning because people are already drinking too much champagne. PK at forward!!!! LMFAO.

    I say he should centre the top line and they can move Gomez to back end. Price should play left wing on the Subban line.


  106. sidhu says:

    “Montreal GM Pierre Gauthier is trying to add a forward with some size.
    While Gauthier would like to move underachieving C Scott Gomez and his
    $7.37-million cap hit, that’s not going to happen.”

    If PG wants to get rid of Gomez, is it possible he may waive him??

    Looking at New Jersey’s cap problems, Parise is going to be a RFA at the end of the season and they will need to clear cap room to re-sign him.  Could PG trade Gomez to NJ if we take on more salary coming back?


  107. 24 Cups says:

    For those who are old enough to remember, another great photoshop from GG11.

  108. SeriousFan09 says:

    Don’t pay attention to this clown.

    A. He works for a Sun Newspaper

    B. He floated The Malkin to LA story.

    C. He’s the Eklund of print journalism.



    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  109. punkster says:

    Beats tanking 😉

  110. crabvader says:

    I’m not on enough lately because I’ve moved to Chicago and am working over 70 hours a week but I just want to wish ALL of you a very happy and safe holidays. Take care of yourselves and your families.

    I’ll post whenever I can but those times are few and far between these days. (Probably for the better, haha).

  111. DearyLeary says:

    The days of relying on the PP are over.  The PP is there for timely goals, and it’s not our only measure of success anymore.  We’re the best penalty killing team in the league; but more importantly we’re 5th in our 5 on 5 ratio.  1/3rd of the way into the season we’re looking at 1.33 goals for for every one against.  

    All those 3-1 wins we’ve been getting are no coincidence.  We’re playing fantastic defensive hockey, keeping most shots to the outside.  When Price has to bail the team out there’s rarely a rebound, and when there is a rebound the team is collapsing and clearing the puck from the slot better than I’ve seen in over a decade.  

    The best part about the Canadiens, isn’t just that we’re winning hockey games, we’re winning hockey games in regulation.  No more of the Cardiac Kids that gave away point flippantly over the past few years.  They’re getting leads, they’re clamping down on them, and we’re sitting atop the Eastern Conference within striking distance of any of the top 3 seeds.

    It’s been a pleasure to watch these guys play.

  112. Ayan_SB says:

    Timo, are you watching RDS? They’re showing Guy Lafleur’s farewell tour hockey game.

    Your favourite player Patrice Brisebois is playing.

  113. jennifer1984 says:

    hey i don’t know if anyone has posted this yet but here’s an article about Hockey Night in Canada fading




  114. Thomas says:

    I’m sure i’m not the first one to suggest this, but who else would like to see a line of pouliot-eller-cammy??

    Agree/Disagree?  Why, why not?


  115. DearyLeary says:

    My ideal is that Pleks line stays as is.  Cammy/Gomer/RW to be traded for at deadline.  Benny/Eller/Pacioretty if he keeps scoring in the AHL.

    Then we’ve got 5 checking players to play around with for our 4th line.  They can play a rugged style without having to worry about getting banged up because there’s always someone to step in.

  116. Danno says:



    Guy! Guy! Guy! Guy!

    What a class act.




    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  117. scrowe21 says:

    I wonder if Maxpac has ever played on the right wing.. or if it would affect his game at all.

  118. Thomas says:

    Thats interesting, I like the maxpac addition.  All 3 of those guys are big, and not too afraid to toss their weight around…me likey

    what do we do though if gomez doesn’t turn it around, I hope he does, but man, 27 games in already…not much to see.  I like the guy, but man, whoever he is with seems to play worse around him.

    And who is a RW that we can bring in, assuming we have around 3.5-4 mil to play around with?

  119. habaholic68NJ says:


    Anyone else notice something different in JM’s system this year.  He has the boys playing more in the neutral zone and are no longer giving up the blue line as easily and collapsing around the goalie.  He is also playing the wingers in our zone a little higher which is allowing for easier breakouts by preventing opposing D-men from pinching in as much.  

    My concern with JM though is that all this line juggling is hurting the team’s chemistry.  On the other hand, because the team is winning, it allows him to prepare for situations later in the year (injuries, aggressive teams) and have a sense on which combinations work and which do not.   For me, here are his current best options:


    Gio-Gomer-?  (Bring up MaxPac now or trade before the deadline for an UFA.  If he doesn’t bring up MaxPac now, put in Laps to bang in the corners and go to the net)


    Laps-Halpern-Moen-Pyatt  (press box for pyatt against physical teams, otherwise give Moen and Laps nights off as needed)

    As for the D, we need all seven D-men playing.  I would go with PK and Gorges playing every game and a press box rotation for the three old guys, Picard and Weber.  Gorges looks banged up so he too can use a day off.


  120. twocents says:

    Anyone who bothers to read my posts know that I don’t indulge in Gomez bashing, in fact, to the contrary, I typically try to check others who do, but any way you slice it, he has to start producing points or something will have to give.

    It’s great he can contribute defensively, it’s a big asset, but that’s not the main reason he’s here. I honestly think patience will be extended to the playoffs, but not beyond if he doesn’t come through big time then.

    NHL players and agents may be forced to contemplate a whole other dimension then they have previously, in the future. Do you think guys like Souray, Redden or even Finger wouldn’t give up some cash to be off the buses? Wouldn’t it be great if this fairly new implication of the the current CBA lead to agents seriously considering whether their clients’ contracts reflect realistic expectations?

    Imagine if 3.5 years ago Gomez’s agent had turned to him and said, “Scott if you sign Sather’s offer you’re going to be expected to delivery something you may not be able to. I think we may want to consider a situation where a team wants you for what you bring. If we take this offer you could find yourself riding buses from one two-bit town to an other before it’s half over. Lou’s willing to offer you 6 over 5 years. That’s really good money coming from Lou. He knows what you bring to the table and he appreciates it. At the end of those five you’re 32 years old. You can still sign another good contract. On the other hand, if things turn sour on this Sather deal and you end up God knows where for the last 3 years of it, you’ll be lucky to get a team willing to drop 700K on you when it’s over. It’s all a matter of whether you want to be appreciated for the rest of your career or if you want to squeeze every last cent you can now. It’s your decision, you’ll have to live with it” 

    I know this sounds ridiculous in some ways, but there’s no way these guys are happy in the A. It may not play as big a role as my scenario above suggests, but I honestly think the better agents will weigh this type of thing far more than they have in the past.

    In fact, I wonder if Pleks’s agent didn’t say something just like that to him this summer. 


  121. DearyLeary says:

    With Chris Stewart out longterm, and Craig Anderson hurt, the Avalanche are a possibility to miss the playoffs.  Milan Hejduk is a 3 mil cap hit, and is a natural RW, who is going to be UFA next year.  If I was PG (and to be fair, I’m not) I’d be making overtures with the Avalanche to see what kind of price we’re looking at for a rental in the case that the Avalanche miss the playoffs.

  122. twocents says:

    As for differences in how this team plays compared to last year, this isn’t some novel discovery. Martin himself said he would alter the system to play a less conservative game and augment offensive positioning. He said he used last year to instill team habits and would now ask his players to incorporate these habits into an altered game plan.

    Not to mention the effect that execution plays in how this is perceived. A system looks and functions better when players execute it more faithfully and confidently.

  123. DearyLeary says:

    To be fair, Gomez is making as much money as possible.  Good for him for taking a peach deal from the Rangers.  Whether he eats up a disproportionate amount of capspace isn’t my concern as long as he contributes what he can.  We’re in the business of winning hockey games, and if Gomez helps (which I believe he does), it helps.

  124. OneTimer says:

    Where are all the trolls making sarcastic comments about “the system” and “gelling” now?

  125. HardHabits says:

    Nothing wrong with being an idealist. 😉

    If you look at the way Cammy’s salary is incremented to rise as Gomez’ goes down I am hard pressed to believe that neither of them will finish their contracts with the Habs. Get used to it. Gomez would need to be -25, 35% in faceoffs with zero points to be sent to the minors. OK. Those numbers are exaggerated a bit but Gomez is producing in other areas, and the points are slowly trickling in.

    There’s is more to winning at hockey than just scoring goals, you have to stop the other team from scoring.

    How much would Gainey in his prime be worth today? Carbo?

    The CBA is balancing itself out, to a degree. The Kovalchuck fiasco showed that it still needs some adjustments, but time and experience will force changes to happen, either in the CBA or in how agents advise their clients.

    Good supposition BTW!!

  126. twocents says:

    I am not suggesting Gomez should have turned that deal down… then. I am suggesting that in light of what has happened to in the last couple of years players and agents may think twice about taking these type of deals in the future. I used the Gomez situation only to illustrate this. 4 years ago there’s no way he doesn’t, because no one would ever have imagined a team burying a player making over 5 mill. in the minors. Teams have now done this and it may alter the landscape.

    My post isn’t actually about the current Gomez situation as much as it’s case of this situation causing me to contemplate it’s implications.  

  127. twocents says:

    I am not arguing Gomez be sent down. I am just saying that this specter hangs over players making big coin, much more than it ever did in the past.

  128. samTHEman says:

    AK – Plek – Cam

    Pouliot – Eller – Gio

    Darche – Gomez – Pyatt

    Moen – Halpern – Lapierre


  129. DearyLeary says:

    And to be entirely honest I don’t think a player cares about how they’re perceived if they’re getting paid that much money.  I know I wouldn’t.  Certainly I’d try to earn it, so that the next free agency period would give me some kind of return.

    I think the cautionary note is to GMs.  DiPietro is one way long term deals go down, as is Yashin, and now Kovy II.  Gomez is somewhere in the middle, he  might not produce, but he certainly brings tools to the team, whereas when Kovy II is off, he’s worthless.

  130. 24 Cups says:

    A thoughtful post, Eric.

    In a way, I guess I’m a Gomez basher.  i didn’t like the trade as I always thought it was a bit of a desperation move.  However, I came to accept it and hoped for the best.  I want Gomez to succeed and feel I have realistic expectations.  He was brought in here to help generate some offence.  I appreciate the fact that he has won two Cups and that he can play both ways and kill penalties.  But as you stated, “he has to start producing some points”.  All other trains of thought on the matter are just pure rationalization.

    What is a sensible benchmark for him to achieve?  At the beginning of the year, I would have said around 17 goals and 50 assists.  That’s based on him being one of the top two offence centres on the team and getting a fair share of PP time.  Right now, after a third of the season, he has 9 points which prorates out to 27.  There’s no way his totals will be that low.  In fact, I could see him getting 35-40 during the last 54 games of the year.  That would still be below expectations but at least he would be going into the playoffs on a roll.

    Some posters state that he needs better wingers.  That makes no sense to me.  How can he be the reason that Gionta is here and not click with him on a line?  Same goes with Cammy, who was our biggest offensive signing in years.  As I have stated before, there is also the notion that a top flight centre should be in a position to make his wingers better.  I’m also not sure that we can afford to pay a 3rd line checking centre 7.3M for the next three years.  It may be a great stop gap measure for now, but we need Gomez to create some offense.

    Posters like to say that Gomez brings a lot of intangibles and leadership to the team.  If so, there will never be a better time to step up and prove that fact as we prepare to play Detroit, Philly and Boston (during our next five games).  It’s time for him to display that playoff mindset as we go into the toughest stretch of our regualr seasan schedule.  If he does, it can only help make other players better.  Which is the reason he was brought here for in the first place.



  131. twocents says:

    It’s not about perception. It’s about actually riding bloody buses and playing in second rate cities for two years when you are an elite athlete.

  132. twocents says:

    JD, I know you’re right and that my suggestion, which is all it is, is a bit utopian. But the bottom line remains that something new has happened recently and I can’t help but think there will be some repercussions from it.

    Souray and Redden are not players who can’t contribute, they are players whose cap hit is keeping them on a greyhound in Wilkes-Barrie Scranton and I am damn sure that ain’t fun.

    I am just wondering out loud how much the ground has shifted in light of these moves. Probably not as much as my fiction above suggests, but I have to think there’s a new fly in the ointment.

  133. VancouverHab says:

    Yeah — if this story were true, he would never get to learn about it until it happened. The Habs run an almost perfectly tight ship in regards to information — they just don’t leak.

  134. JD_ says:

    You’re just thinkin’ out loud, $0.02. I’m jiggy with that.

    A thoughtful agent will point out the risks.

    Then he’ll chuckle, wink, hand over the pen, pop open the Cristal, and dial up the Good Times.


    Yeah, everybody’s got a bomb
    We could all die any day
    But before I’ll let that happen
    I’ll dance my life away

    They say two thousand zero, zero, party over,
    Oops, out of time!
    So tonight we’re gonna party like it’s 1999!

  135. twocents says:

    I basically agree Steve, and said so much in my first post. When the heat turns up down the stretch, Gomez runs out of excuses. My guess is that he will rise to it, but if he doesn’t, will there be more on the table than he would have imagined when he sat down with Slats three and a half years ago?

  136. hab_skill says:

    Gomez, Desharnais, Weber and 1st round choice for Parise and a 3rd rounder. Make sense?

  137. twocents says:

    Very nicely done, JD. :o)

  138. sidhu says:

    We’d have to take more salary back than just Parise, and such a deal would likely land Zajac rather than Parise.


  139. punkster says:

    Prince! The Man!

  140. SmartDog says:


    1. Will Gauthier land a big forward before the trade deadline?

    2. Is there any truth to the rumour that Price is “unhappy” in Montreal? If so, who’s he unhappy with?

    4. Will Kovalev (7G, 7A) will join Montrael this year?

    5. Will PK be in the line-up next game?


  141. SeriousFan09 says:

    That’s 4 questions SD.

    1. Yes, but he’ll be a rental.

    2. The people who say he’s unhappy in MTL.

    3. If there is a merciful deity, no.

    4. PK will be back and he’ll have one of his best games of the season.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  142. Ayan_SB says:

    A guy with one of the worst contracts in the league, an undersized AHL centreman, an inexperienced defenseman and a 1st round draft pick for one of the top young forwards in the game?

    No, it doesn’t really make much sense.

  143. HardHabits says:

    I have a great trade idea.

    We trade all the posters who want to either trade, waive or send to the minors Gomez or complain of his cap hit for a few delusional Leafs fans. At least those fans would say this is the year the <insert name of your team here> will win the Cup. The current Gomez bashers as newly acquired Leafs fans can then turn their attentions to Burke, Wilson, Phaneuf, Komisarek et al with actually having a bit of credibility to their arguments for a change.

    There is one last purge to be done folks to bring back sensible discussion to these pages.

    Kudos to MM, JF, 2¢, SF09 and a few others to keeping a semblance of sanity here and also representing what an intelligent Habs fan is all about.

  144. punkster says:

    I like the setup. Best guess, because most of what we spew here is just that really. Most.

    1. Yes

    2. No (but he is a bit pissed at the guy in section 115 who keeps hollering “Haaaaalaaaaaak”)

    3. There is no number 3, but if there was I’d have to say Gomez.

    4. No

    5. Yes

  145. SeriousFan09 says:

    Hejduk! Good call, I’d been thinking about Langenbrunner or Arnott as the piece to grab at the deadline but if he’s available there’s another option.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  146. HabFab says:

    SF, you are probably aware of these ratings for prospects and KHL also for your research but just in case.

  147. 24 Cups says:

    Lou balked at giving Gomez 5M during arbitration and then let him walk at the first chance he could get.  Your deal is way too one-sided.

    It would be like Toronto saying would you trade Subban for Finger, Hanson and Aulie.

  148. St.Leo Habs Fan says:

    1. I hope gauthier could do that, hopefully someone who can help get gomer out of his current slump, adding a scoring threat to his wing to compliment Cammy would be a huge plus. Despite our lack of size up front, only the inconsistent play from our second line has been below par. cant complain though, we are winning and there’s no need to be a stickler for that..

    2. Why would he be, he’s playing at a top level; he’s leading or is at the top of the charts when it comes to goaltending statistics and he’s a fan favourite ( i still don’t understand when some bell centre trolls boo’ed him during preseason…..stupid)

    4. Didn’t we already complete this failed experiment…. he was lazy and inconsistent when he was in his prime, he’s over the hill now, would he be better now?!?! I highly doubt so. Remeber Plecks when he played with kovy… and wht about ak??  He chose Ottawa for a Million extra buck let them keep him. Im sure whtever cap space we have left can be BETTER spent somehwere else, this is a TEAM and the players we have play as a unit, kovalev plays for himself..

    5. Ask JM that, he’ll give you a better answer than I could LOL (I hope he does tho)



    Anyone taken as an individual is tolerably sensible and reasonable — as a
    member of a crowd, he at once becomes a blockhead.
    —Friedrich Von Schiller

  149. HabFab says:

    HH, don’t know where you have been dude but someone nice has been posting using your name and avatar!!

  150. SeriousFan09 says:

    Ah, cool!


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  151. SmartDog says:

    I love it: “Gomez bashers”!  Definition: people who think that 9 points in 27 games from a top-ten salary NHL forward isn’t enough.  LOL

    I think your cause needs a name. How about “Three blind fans”.

  152. SmartDog says:

    Four, five… what’s the dif?  Sorry. Originally Q 2 was two questions.

  153. Duracell3 says:

    So basically, you think Glen Sather is a good GM.

  154. SeriousFan09 says:

    I consider myself a numbers man when it comes to the NHL, but no one seems to obsess over a certain set of numbers as much as you.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  155. ctony says:

    great observation, it might explain all the recent long term “below market” deals to stay in the right situation

  156. Duracell3 says:

    Alright, next season, we can pick up Stephen Weiss for $7+ million too, plan the parade.

  157. HardHabits says:

    To call your thinking 1 dimensional would be an insult so single-mindedness the world over.

  158. Duracell3 says:

    Doesn’t work, they’d be $4million over the salary cap with just Gomez-Parise alone. Not to mention there probably isn’t a team in the league that would take that contract.

  159. HardHabits says:

    Where did I say that? Stop trying to put words in my mouth. Read what I say and respond to it.

    I certainly think you’re an idiot. Does that clear things up for you?

  160. Hagar says:

    The one article attempted to get me pumped up for the Gomez on a checking line situation. It failed spectacularly.

  161. SmartDog says:

    Name calling. Nice.

    You and da hema are a good team.

  162. SmartDog says:

    With some margin for situation, it all comes down to numbers.  If Gomez
    starts scoring at a .8ppg clip, and becomes a plus player instead of
    minus, I don’t care if he plays the whole game skating backwards.

    The numbers are just so dramatically bad.  For those who somehow can’t see how bad his play is, the numbers at least tell the story.


  163. VancouverHab says:

    From coppertop: “…there probably isn’t a team in the league that would take (Gomez’s) contract.

    Does anyone seriously think that at the trade deadline, a team (all the necessary salary cap hypotheticals in place) who had a good chance at the Cup would NOT jump at the chance to take Scott Gomez? (a relatively young veteran with rock-solid Stanley Cup-winning credentials and an elite skill-set.) They would kill for the chance.

    Fortunately, we are that team but we don’t need to jump: we’re already there.

  164. HardHabits says:

    He wanted to know what I thought. Since he was so quick to put words in my mouth I thought I’d give him something more concrete to think about.

    It’s something I rarely do but in this case it was simply a retaliation. Give me 2 minutes.

  165. Da Hema says:

    When did I ever call you names, Smartdog?

    Are you going to state again your desire to see Gomez injured? For those of you wondering what I am referring to, see the thread below “Markov done for the season” and review the exchange between me and this poster.

    I am really disappointed with you, Dave Stubbs, for allowing this poster to repeatedly state his wish to see Gomez get injured. It was left to me and HH to ask him to stop writing claims like that. Even after posters like Timo had the good sense to stop these “I wish Gomez were hurt” comments, this “Smartdog” kept going on and on.

    Now we are on the defensive because you, Dave Stubbs, allow this vicious crap to go on instead of sending a message by deleting such posts.

  166. HardHabits says:

    Newton’s theories lose weight when talk of Einsteinian physics comes into play. Let’s say your numbers on a Newtonian scale equate to 1 + 1 = 2. To read something a little loftier try these chiffres. I am afraid however that the complexity of the author’s premise is something a little outside your scope or mental capacity.

    There is more to winning games than just scoring, a team needs to stop the other team from scoring. I think you should start being a Tamp Bay lightning fan. That’s more your type of hockey.

  167. Propwash says:

    1. I’d like to see it happen.

    2. Buncha horse****

    4. No

    5. I almost want to say “Don’t fix what aint’ broke” but it’s always a kick to watch PK play.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  168. SmartDog says:

    Really, really childish.

    Here’s what I said:

    Gomez stinks. I’d be happy if he was injured long-term… Not happy for the PERSON (get this straight) but happy for the team.

    Have fun with making up stuff about me and other people. Seems to work for ya.


  169. Chorske says:

    1. Here’s hoping. I certainly don’t think we need help on D.

    2. Source for this rumour? Hint: your dogs arse doesn’t count.

    3. There is no number 3. But if I were to hazard a guess, I woudl say Price is unhappy with eejits who invent rumours.

    4. Feck no, and enough already with Kovelev. Over the hill.

    5. It would be a good idea to bring him back in sooner rather than later.

  170. SmartDog says:


    It’s like we’re talking about entirely different people.


  171. JohnnyBEast says:

    Anyone else see the headline on, ‘Saves of the Year’ and the video labelled Carey Price that has a picture of Halak..

  172. HardHabits says:

    Which is a contemptible statement to make. Up until then I saw your obsession with Gomez as just being slightly humourous if not entirely misguided and short-sighted. Now I view your views on Gomez as reprehensible. In fact that thread turned my displeasure with the Gomez bashing into anger.

    I view the comments as ignorant.

  173. SmartDog says:

    I think is was Dregger who was talking about Price being unhappy in Mtl. I hear references to it. No idea if there’s anything to it at all.  I hope not so am just seeing if anyone knows anything.


  174. HardHabits says:

    I am saying you views on Gomez are simplistic. You look at the most basic numerical data, salary versus points production and determine that that is the be all and end all of the equation. I am saying that if you read En attendant les Nordiques you’ll get numbers that are beyond your understanding.


    That pretty much says it all. You should call yourself DumbassDog.

  175. Dintrox says:

    Some posters will remember my post on CBC’s Best of the Best feature. Now they are talking about GMs. My take is #1 Sam Pollock — an amazing 9 cups in a short 14 years. He hired  scotty bowman as coach and assembled the 76-77 team — a team that lost only once at home and went an incredible 60-8-12. His shrewd trading in order to draft Guy LaFleur is legendary.  #2 Frank Selke sr. — a great mind for the game. Selke started out in Toronto where he was conn smythe’s ‘office manager’. Well smythe was away, Selke orchestrated a trade for Ted Kennedy. After a falling out with Smythe, he joined the Canadiens. The Habs were on the brink with dwindling attendance and an aging team. Selke built a farm system and bought the Quebec senior league in order to get Jean beliveau into a Habs sweater. He won 6 cups in Montreal including 5 in a row.

  176. Da Hema says:

    What is more disappointing is that you and I are the only ones calling this poster on these claims he just refuses to recognise are deplorable by nature. To wish someone injury, but not be “happy” about it, is to wish an injury to someone. S/he just doesn’t get how a claim like that is so wrong.


    An important announcement from the Government of Canada:

    Health Canada is reminding Canadians that consumption of the Toronto Maple Leafs has led to vomiting, fever, bloody diarrhea, dementia, and penile dysfunction.

  177. drivefor25 says:

    Please change your avatar to a basset hound. According to a CBS show, they are the dumbest breed of dog. To be “happy” if Gomez is injured long-term is an incredibly disloyal thing for a Hab fan to say.


    Fan since ’71

  178. Psycho29 says:

    Just think of the outrage if THE HABS had picked future pitcher Tom Glavine in the ’84 draft !!! He chose baseball over hockey…

    In 1984 the Kings took Glavine in the 4th round (69th) but still managed to get Luc Robitaille in the 9th (171st)…

  179. SeriousFan09 says:

    I noticed that as well, they’re a sharp bunch at aren’t they?

    Their video highlights have gone to **** this season for ability to load as well.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  180. twocents says:

    Well, those rumours seem so well supported by the facts. Let’s see, player signs a new contract with team without very much fuss or hint of controversy. Player is given opportunity to play the role he desires. Player has success beyond what anyone thought reasonable to predict at this point. Player is shown appreciation regularly by fans in attendance. Player is chosen as team’s number one star two months running. Player is getting recognition throughout the league. Player consistently praises his teammates and his team’s style of play. Player buys a new house… 

    Of course there was that one pre-season game where a few idiots booed the player. And there were a few nasty articles by a gimmicky writer who has proven, year after year, that his grasp of this game is weak at best.

    Yup, seems really well-founded and worth pursuing.

  181. joeybarrie says:

    Will things ever change? Do people ever learn?

    The only way people judge a player on this team is based on goals or wins. And of course it NEVER has anything to do with what they have done, or can do. The memory is 10 games long.

    Remember when Price had Halak’s current sv% and his 2 wins in 10 games, last season and everyone said Price was done, and a terrible choice. So do you think Halak sucks NOW?????

    At the beginning of the season it was Cammi who was a waste because he was 6 mil in cap space and had 2 goals in about 15 or so games… Now he isnt scoring much either. Does Cammi suck now?????

    Gionta had 2 points in 11 games…

    AK currently has 9 points in 18 games…

    Eller went 20 games with only 1 point, and everyne was saying how PG made a dumb move. Now he get 3-4 points in 5-6 games and all of a sudden we got a great deal…

    PG was an idiot and we could have signed both, blah blah blah…. Well he picked the 2nd best goalie in the league, and he paid 1 million less in cap space…

    Letting Dominic Moore go was a HUGE mistake. In the beginning of the season Moore was just so great and Halpern wasnt anything special. Now we got a better player for HALF……..

    Pouliot was useless, Hamr was too old, Weber Picard, etc, etc.

    When will people realize that you must use a little common sense. We would NOT have beaten the Caps OR the Pens without Gomez last season… Its as simple as that. For god’s sake start ignoring his salary. Its out of control, you sound like a broken record.

    The Montreal Canadiens are 2 points behind FIRST PLACE IN THE NHL, and we even have the game in hand. Still people are crying the same old thing. WAKE UP, realize that Gomez is a BIG part of the puzzle that is currently in first place.

    What bugs me the most, it the same people who were bashing Price left and right, are currently bashing Gomez. They are giving Price ALL THE CREDIT and have yet to own up to the fact they were wrong about Price. Now that they are currently WRONG about Gomez they dont have the common sense to realize its about to happen again. But it doesnt even matter to them, cause they will move on to the next small crack and try to smash it open.

    WILL YOU EVER LEARN????? How many times do you have to be wrong?

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  182. Ayan_SB says:

    St-Louis is playing without Oshie, Perron, Polak and now Mcdonald is injured.


  183. SeriousFan09 says:

    Gomez is officially this year’s Price-Halak. Yay…

    In other news, Hab’s Future is submitted for the week. Your preview, Max Pacioretty completes a natural hat trick of 1st star selections as he gets another 3 goals on his week. Louis Leblanc is also back with the Montreal Juniors from injury and had a goal in his first game back.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  184. Habscat says:

    One thing about Tim Thomas and that save – He is a very entertaining guy to watch. He looks like he has zero formal training as a goalie, just all guts.


  185. showey47 says:

    To think the habs could have had robitaille but their scouts said he was too poor of a skater.

  186. Ayan_SB says:

    How about Pouliot and Darche with Gomez?

    Those two are a great complimentary duo of work ethic and skill. Halpern was successful with those two, now Eller is starting to roll. Maybe those two can help Gomez.

  187. keepthefaith says:

    You gotta get over the salary dog. We didnt give it to him. He’s not giving it back. Give it up , get over it , move on. Just my opinion. Your gonna get an ulcer.

  188. Ayan_SB says:

    I may hate the Bruins, but I’ve always liked Thomas. A hard-working player who’s paid his dues throughout his career and one of the most likeable guys in the league. A guy who grew up in the tough, economically deprived town of Flint, Michigan. I still remember hearing the story of how his parents sold their wedding rings just so they could send him to a goalie camp.

    Here’s a great example of what kind of person Tim Thomas is, as he gave Carey Price some advice after the Bruins beat the Habs in 4:

    Starts at 2:42.

  189. HardHabits says:

    I liken the Gomez debate to a determiner of who has hockey sense and who hasn’t.

    On one side those that have (Gomez supporters) on the other those that dont (Gomez bashers).

    The people who bash Gomez have been doing so since he got here. Their arguments were weak then. They’ve only gotten weaker since.

    What these people dont realize is Gomez gone leaves a gaping hole at centre. Their methods would disrupt the team considerably, demotion to Hamilton, waive, trade at any cost. It’s inane beyond comprehension, that’s why I likened it to an obsessive-compulsive disorder and coined it SmartDogism.

  190. christophor says:

    wow … just, wow.

    maybe when he’s an impending UFA.

  191. HardHabits says:

    Lou’s such a genius his team’s been in decline ever since. So much so that he traded for Kovalchuck which produced nothing in the playoffs and then went on to sign KovyII for 100 million dollars for the remainder of his hockey life and they are currently looking at a lottery pick. He’s only a notch brighter than Burke right now and that’s not saying much.

  192. joeybarrie says:

    What bugs me the most is that i cant really say anything about how low his production is. Cause everyone will jump all over the place. I mean we all know he is having probably the worst start to a season in his career. However, he is still the same player who lead the devils in scoring many times and they are a defensive teams. He will never be able to produce enough where people will say he is worth his cap number. But thats history. He is still a very valuable player. Its the arguments that get me. Like you said. DEMOTE HIM, and other simply stupid comments.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  193. RGM says:

    See, this is why people who disagree about a subject can’t just disagree. The other side, whether their argument be rational or not, is immediately vilified and must be purged to remove all dissent.

    Go Habs Go!

  194. Thomas says:

    Ya, I like the Hejduk call as well, he’s a bit up there in age, but being a czech he’d fit in pretty well with plecky n hammer, could be interesting…

    I’ve also seen a few people on here suggesting Parise, while I would absolutely LOVE to get this guy, I don’t think we can afford him.  Although I would not be against sending a 1st rounder and a few young blookds NJ’s way for him.  They don’t have much cap space, so might be able to work…

  195. VancouverHab says:

    SD: I enjoy debating with you, but you should dial that back — that’s not good.

    (Hey, we all make mistakes — me most of all.)

  196. SmartDog says:

    You’re absolutely right.  I just can’t figure out why Darren Dreger would go on the radio saying this if there isn’t something to it.  I mean, Dreger to me is the most useless of all TSN personalities (if you can say he even has a personality)…. but he seems more conservative than that. His items are usually just sheer common knowlege.  Maybe that’s it, he needed something to say and trusted a poor source. 

  197. SmartDog says:

    I’m not shy to say I would’ve bet against your prediction.  And so far you seem more right about Price than me.  I thought he might do alright but his play and his consistancy have been much more than I expected. Happy to have missed on this one.

  198. showey47 says:

    I thought it was bill watters from sportsnet. Not 100% sure though.

  199. The Real Glen Sather says:

    Whoa whoa whoa…lets not say things about people that they may read. 

  200. twocents says:

    I think Showey above is right and Dreger was just repeating something Waters had said. Waters is a former executive of the loafs. He was a poor hockey exec and still suckles at the loafy teet. He is probably just indulging in wishful thinking.

  201. habs365 says:

    you’ll never see those lines

  202. olematelot says:

    Great post, couldn’t agree more

  203. habs365 says:

    april will tell the tale..if they don’t win the cup..the fans were right..if they win the cup..the fans should have to eat crow..don’t get too excited..the eastern division, there’s only couple of points between teams..a bad week..couple of injuries to you’re key players..could drop the team to 5th spot, just like that..everyone will be back to tradeing or bashing’s fun to read some of these comments..sometimes I wonder how many of these fans can skate, those are the never see them playing hockey, if they go public skating with their family or friends, you see them on the ice in street footwear or sitting in the stands or at the snack bar..these are the pure bashers, jealious because they wouldn’t know how to tape an NHL’s stick..keep having fun bashers, that’s all you’ll ever be able to do…..

  204. light_n_tasty says:

    Ummm…actually, the arguments have gotten stronger since he got here.  At first it was like, WHAT? we are paying 8-mil for a 2nd line centre with a 70-point ceiling?  OK, overpaid, prolly Koivu coulda done that, but whatevs, as long as he plays up to THOSE expectations.  I mean, at least he’s younger and less injury prone than Saku.


    Now it’s 8-mil for a checker on pace for 27 points, and one of the few minus players on the team.  So the arguments against Gomez are stronger.


    I mean, I’m pretty sure the “don’t know nothing about hockey” argument is the weakest there is.  And you’re using it right now.  Talk about weak.

  205. light_n_tasty says:

    Good Lord, I was the one who started that line, not him.

    And anyway, it was more of a hypothetical.. a “If a player had to be on the LTIR, who would you choose” kinda scenario.  In my books, Gomez.  You would lose the least production and gain the most cap space.  Pretty easy answer, if you ask me.

  206. HardHabits says:

    Your argument is the weak one, it’s only salary versus point production. Gomez will never be worth his salary to a person like you because all you see is points production versus how much he makes.

    Read this

    You probably cant because it’s in French. Too bad because you’ll see how Gomez made a major impact on the outcome of  the SJ game after JM put him with Pyatt and Lapierre. He is an intricate part of the current Habs line-up. Maybe you’re cheering for the wrong team. I suggest you cheer for the Ducks, The Bolts or the Blues.

  207. ScottGomez says:

    Glen Sather is a very generous guy.

  208. light_n_tasty says:

    Gimme a break, Gomez blew the zone which directly led to the first SJ goal.  And it’s not just points/salary.  Gomez is 17th on the team in +/-.  He’s better than Pleks on the draws (who is awful on the draws, btw), but is still only at 49%.  He is 15th on the team in blocked shots.  16th on the team in hits.  

    He has been a nobody all season.

    Look, I know Gomez can skate as good as anyone on the team.  But he’s brought nothing to the team (on the ice anyway, I hear he’s well liked off of it).  Sure, he is a cup-winner, and might bring some leadership.  But ya know what, we got plenty of that already.  I mean, Gomez can’t even get an “A” on his jersey when Markov’s out.

    And I don’t agree with this “you’re to stupid too understand the intricacies of the game” attitude.  Obviously, you have to search very hard to try and justify Gomez’s contract.  But guess what.  Gainey brought him in to be this team’s number one centre.  He was hired to be the “impact centre” that the Habs had been missing for years (those words, by the way, are Gainey’s).  Really, he’s been the undersized, overpaid, and apparently useless centre that we’ve been dreaming of.



  209. light_n_tasty says:

    And I’m not really sure where you’re getting this “cheer for the Ducks, the Bolts, or the Blues” nonsense.

    1) I have never said that the Habs should have traded Price and not Halak.  Although I do think the Blues won that trade player-wise.  I could care less about Halak or the Blues.

    2)  As for the Ducks, I only use Koivu as a comparison to Gomez because Koivu was the alternative.  It was him or Gomez.  And Gainey chose Gomez.  It’s only fair to compare how the two have faired in comparison with each other.

    3) The Bolts?  Really?  I guess I have said that the Lightning will be improved this year.  Which they are.   But I’m definitely not a fan, nor do I like the team in any way.  Although I still would trade Gomez for Lecavalier straight up (Vinny was, after all, Gainey’s first choice to be the impact centre, and only traded for Gomez once that deal fell through).

  210. HardHabits says:

    Gimme a break. Price made an errant back-hand pass into the corner. Gill mishandled it and fell on his ass. As he was wiping out he made a pass up the boards that deflected back to Perriero who shot it and it carromed off a skate and in. Lucky crap goal. Yes Gomez should’ve been back checking and not trying to SergeiK it out of there. Enough blame to go around on that goal. CBC likes to focus on Gomez’ part because hey that’s show biz and suckers like you eat it up. Nevertheless, what you refuse to see is that in the second half of the game Gomez was sent out against SJ’s top line with Pyatt and Lapierre and they out chanced them, this in turn freed up space for Plex and the others to do their thing. Oh but Gomez is supposed to score 100 points because he’s paid the same as Crosby and Ovechkin. Whatever crybaby. Grow a set and learn what real hockey is all about. Are you even old enough to have seen Gainey play in the 70’s? Or Carbo in the 80’s?

    Gomez is a very good player. Plex has turned out to be that impact centre. Eller is growing into the role. In the meatime Gomez is holding down his responsibilities and contributing to the success of the team.

    The trolls have nothing left to bitch about. Halak is human. Price is playing like a Vezina winner. All of PG’s moves look good. Eller is looking great. The farm has depth. Oh but wait, the haters still have one more straw to clutch at; Gomez’ point production and his salary cap hit. You’re lame. Your arguments are weak. Gomez will finish his contract here and the Habs are lucky to have and need him to go deep in the playoffs.

  211. HardHabits says:

    1) you think the Blues won the Halak trade

    2) you think Koivu would be better than Gomez

    3) you think LeCavalier’s contract is better than Gomez’

    These points make it obvious that you don’t like the current Habs line-up or management.

    Like I said, you’re cheering for the wrong team.

  212. light_n_tasty says:

    So, if I question a move that the Habs’ make, then I am cheering for the wrong team.  OK, I get it now.

    But if I advocate for the tank, then I’m a knowledgable fan.

    The only component I don’t like about this team is that it’s still missing it’s impact centre, which is what Gomez is paid to be.  And I think that’s the missing piece to making this team a true cup contender.

    Just remember, you’re the one who wanted to blow the team apart last year, while I was defending the team and especially JM.  But of course, you’re the “true fan”.

  213. light_n_tasty says:

    I’m old enough to have seen both Gainey and Carbo play, but I never saw Gainey in the 70s.  Not really sure why you keep comparing Gomez to Gainey and Carbo, because they are not the same players at all and I would take a Gainey or a Carbo on this team any day of the week.

    Why is it that all of your arguments disintegrate to “you know nothing about hockey”, or, in this case, the much more eloquent “Grow a set and learn what real hockey is all about”?

  214. Da Hema says:

    Interesting. They said the same thing about Mike Bossy–that he wasn’t a strong skater. Bossy just skated his way to the Hall of Fame.


    An important announcement from the Government of Canada:

    Health Canada is reminding Canadians that consumption of the Toronto Maple Leafs has led to vomiting, fever, bloody diarrhea, dementia, and penile dysfunction.

  215. nightmare_49 says:


       Inside the NHL with Bucky Gleason:


      Time spent with Jim Kelley was a master class

  216. punkster says:

    BIG QUESTION OF THE DAY (SmartDog style)”

    Habnofear suggested this below and another poster or two mentioned it recently. We have a need for a top 6 forward. Do we:

    1. Give Subban a try as a forward? What have we got to lose?

    2. Shop immediately for a top 6 forward and spend the Cap money we have right now?

    3. Shop immediately for a forward (not necessarily top 6) in a trade? (ie. spend minimal Cap money)

    4. Keep an eye on the market and wait until just before the deadline to buy a rental or make a trade?

  217. andrewberkshire says:

    The longer we wait, the better player we can add. I wouldn’t try Subban as a forward because I think that defenseman as a forward experiment needs to be over.

  218. adamkennelly says:

    1 – NO

    2- absolutely.  I will follow up with another question – REALISTICALLY – who could we target.  Look at teams with players who fit our need who could use a change.

    3- Absolutely.  I still think this team needs toughness – look around – 100% of teams in this league have more toughness  – a rugged D man and bottom 6 – like a Tim Jackman or Chris Neil or Scott Thornton – not that we are getting any one of those guys – would be perfect.

    4- nope – do it now – will provide more wins and less injuries going forward.


  219. 24 Cups says:

    Dave – Subban as a forward?  Markov’s career in on hold and three of the other Dmen will soon be collecting  their CPP and you want to take our best prospect and turn him into a forward? 

    Two weeks ago he was being touted as a candidate for rookie of the year.  What’s next, Gomez as a Dman:-)

    As for the cap space, I say we keep our power dry.  We’re only 1/3 of the way through the season and you never know what other needs might arise.  By the end of January it should be pretty clear which teams will be sellers.  I also think we need to discuss what we are willing to give up in order to bring in a solid regular from another team. 

  220. mrhabby says:

    p…wait until Jan and see how we fair. No point in jumping the gun with season barely 1/3 over and no Subban playing

  221. says:

    I want a top 6 now. Moen is not helping that second line at all.  Great player, just not for scoring.

    They Call Me Shane

  222. HardHabits says:

    Of your points I prefer 4.

    1) I am 100% against.

    2) I see no need for this now and don’t want to sell the farm on a potential locker room disruption.

    3) Even less of a need to do this.

    4) This has been one of my suggestions….


    I also see this option. Call up MaxPac before the deadline for a few games. Give him a look see. If he looks like he’s not out of place and better yet scores a few points, send him back to Hamilton and let him know that he’ll be called up for the play-offs.

  223. Timo says:

    1. Subban

    2. Whoever is available is probably will be upgrade from Gomer anyway

    3. see #2

    4. I think deadline might be a better option, but I am afraid not enough time will be left for the gelling to occur. 

  224. Ayan_SB says:

    Anyone else think Gorges should get a rest? He doesn’t look like himself out there. And I think a game against the lowly Sens on Tuesday is the perfect opportunity to give him a break.

  225. habs365 says:

    don’t ever count the lowkt sens out against the habs..they have our number

  226. Mike says:

    Current line up is this right: (correct me if I’m wrong)




    If it was me, I would start rotating with 7 defenseman in order to give the old 3 a break and for gorges to recoperate a bit.

    However, I would also put Gionta back with Gomez.

  227. rocketsglare says:

    P.K. playing at forward? Why not. Just another option JM has at his disposal. Have to admit that P.K.’s

    flair and style does lend itself to playing at forward.


    Go Habs Go!

  228. punkster says:

    Party pooper!

  229. RiverviewCanadien says:

    So is Weber being showcased? Or is this just JM/PG taking stock?

    Markov is gone and nobody knows when he will return or how his play will be (well we know not this year). There are those that want something changed with the top 6, which might not be a bad idea.

    I have to admit I REALLY have enjoyed Weber these past two games, if he is to remain a HAB, you play him next game. Solid defensively and has a great shot from the point.

    So the question becomes, do you think Le Club needs to get a top 6 or a D?

    I say, do nothing until Feb. See how everyone is doing then and make the decision.

  230. habs365 says:

    ask PK if he would like to play left wing with Eller and Cammalleri..just don’t tell him he’s playing forward..he may think martin doesn’t want him anymore on defense..he’s a good kid and a good defenseman..if martin is gonna keep sitting him out..let him go somewhere else..where he can play..he did it to OB..better not do it to PK….

  231. HabFab says:

    Hear, hear!

  232. punkster says:

    Gomer as  D man? Brilliant Steve! Let’s run with it!!! 😉

    LOL…definitely NOT turn him into a forward, just give it a try to see how it would fit in one of those unusual situations we could find ourselves in one day. Like a playoff game where nothing is working and a jolt is needed. Aren’t you the least bit curious to see how a kid with such talent can perform in different situations? He’ll be our top D one day, he’ll QB the power play, he’ll figure out that point shot, he’s got great moves and agility, why not give it a shot just to see how he fits the role of winger. Like I said originally, all for shits and giggles.

    As for the rest, I totally agree. Wait and watch. The market can only get better and we’re not hurting at the moment. Put that Cap to good use and don’t give up important assets if at all possible.

  233. habs365 says:

    try this again..don’t ever count the lowly sens out against the Habs..they have our number

  234. BC HAB says:

    I still think we should go out and get Kovalev before the deadline. I know I’m gonna get blasted for bringing this up all the time. But imagine Kovalev on a line with Gomez and Cammy. Could be magic. Kovalev usually does very well in the playoffs and he will be ufa at the end of the year. And he could probably be had for cheap.

  235. Da Hema says:

    You are right that Kovalev could be had for next to nothing. The Senators are praying to God there is a general manager stupid enough to take him off their hands. Gauthier is not that general manager.


    An important announcement from the Government of Canada:

    Health Canada is reminding Canadians that consumption of the Toronto Maple Leafs has led to vomiting, fever, bloody diarrhea, dementia, and penile dysfunction.

  236. RiverviewCanadien says:

    I would take him back in a heartbeat, but I am not PG nor JM. Whatever they do, I know it will be a good move.

  237. BC HAB says:

    If we do something now, it gives that player time to build some chemistry.

  238. novahab says:

    I think you are going to see PK put on Gomez and Cammy line to bring some energy to it. It easy to see GM has lost faith in PK which is a bit scary he could ruin this kid. He has used Srait and Webber in that role and PK brings so much more in abilty he could be a real spark plug to that line. He is a waste of talent to leave upstairs and I am sure PG is not going to let this continue.

  239. BC HAB says:

    I can’t believe  people think that now that we have Markov money freed up that we will somehow land a legit top 6 foreward. Give me a break. Ain’t gonna happen. A legit number 6 would cost us a sh*t storm.

  240. Timo says:

    No kidding… if we are paying 8 mil for Gomez, imagine how much a player that actually produces would cost

  241. SeriousFan09 says:

    It’s called a pending UFA from a team that won’t make the playoffs. Habs deal a pick or borderline prospect to get access to someone they can use, the other team has someone they can maybe use in the future. MTL has the cap space to take them on and to drive deeper in the playoffs.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  242. BC HAB says:

    And to add to that we would still have to give up assets as well.

  243. HardHabits says:

    You’re cute Timo. You’re like a pouting little girl always frumpy yet hot so every-one puts up with her hormonal outbursts. That’s why we keep you around. What you aren’t is intelligent.

    1st of all Gomez makes under 7.4 million which if rounded becomes 7 million.

    Unfortunately you can’t read this, I even wonder how you make it through these pages without more pictures to guide you along, but if you could you’d read what an actual analysis really is.

    If HIO existed in the 80’s you Gomez bashers would have been all over Gainey and Carbo. Especially Carbo given that he was a prolific scorer in the Q.

    It’s OK Timo. I sense a MAB joke coming.

  244. BC HAB says:

    Wow, where did that come from.

  245. SeriousFan09 says:

    1980s Habs I/O Excerpts:


    Gainey sucks as captain, can’t even score 20 goals a season, how’s he supposed to lead?

    When is this organization going to learn they should have tanked in 83 to get Lemieux? We’re never going to win another Cup! I don’t care what it takes, trade everyone for Mario!

    Can’t believe we wasted a draft pick on that smurf Naslund, what are we doing drafting Swedes anyway? Took him 3 years to make the team! Bust.

    Carbo’s numbers suck, we could’ve had Mark Messier!

    Look at Luc Robitaille’s numbers! This is why Montreal always sucks, we don’t scout enough when it comes to the 9th round of the draft. Could’ve had him!

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  246. likehoy says:

    interesting assessment about the 80’s

    – Gomez is holding down the suck button

  247. Da Hema says:


    I just had a flashback thanks to you.


    An important announcement from the Government of Canada:

    Health Canada is reminding Canadians that consumption of the Toronto Maple Leafs has led to vomiting, fever, bloody diarrhea, dementia, and penile dysfunction.

  248. Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

    Lol at the Robitaille one.

  249. punkster says:

    You missed an important comment:

    I really hope Reggie Houle does the right thing in retirement and gets deeply involved in management. He’s the breathe of fresh air this dismal team needs.

  250. Da Hema says:

    My prior post was deleted by HIO’s (in this instance) overly-sensitive censor.

    I will take another stab at my Timo comparison.

    Timo is like the half-wit cousin who is tolerated by the extended family.

    So, let’s see what the Soviet-style censors (e.g., arbitrary) on HIO think of this.


    An important announcement from the Government of Canada:

    Health Canada is reminding Canadians that consumption of the Toronto Maple Leafs has led to vomiting, fever, bloody diarrhea, dementia, and penile dysfunction.

  251. Da Hema says:


    Er, no, wait….



    An important announcement from the Government of Canada:

    Health Canada is reminding Canadians that consumption of the Toronto Maple Leafs has led to vomiting, fever, bloody diarrhea, dementia, and penile dysfunction.

  252. B says:

    Actually, Montreal IS paying Gomez $8M this season, even though his cap hit is $7,357,143.

  253. likehoy says:

    haha good stuff!

    – Gomez is holding down the suck button

  254. SmartDog says:

    You call someone a half-wit and then complain about “soviet-style” censorship.

    Someone’s not showing a lot of poise – or smarts – and it isn’t Timo.


  255. VancouverHab says:

    Great post – genius!

  256. Da Hema says:

    You have quite the nerve after you consistently claimed several days ago your desire to see Gomez hurt.

    If anyone’s comments deserved to be censored, they were yours.

    In all my years here, I never saw posters explicitly wishing harm against players. You, Timo, and a small handful of others represent a real digression in the quality of this site.


    An important announcement from the Government of Canada:

    Health Canada is reminding Canadians that consumption of the Toronto Maple Leafs has led to vomiting, fever, bloody diarrhea, dementia, and penile dysfunction.

  257. SmartDog says:

    Ah yes, the’let me accuse you of something worse’ defense. 

    Well here is what I ACTUALLY said… DOES IT STILL HURT YOUR PC EARS?
    Gomez stinks. I’d be happy if he was injured long-term… Not happy for the PERSON (get this straight) but happy for the team.

    Wishing (theoretically) that a sucking player INSTEAD of Markov was injured is a no-brainer. It’s not like I have any control over it.  And for your benefit (and thsoe like you) who have never had a bar conversation about players you love or hate, I even put in a disclaimer. You didn’t see that?  C’mon. This is childish.

  258. HardHabits says:

    I’d be very sad for the team if Gomez got injured. It would leave a huge hole down the middle for the team. Trading him isn’t going to happen. Look at Cammy’ salary versus Gomez’ and you’ll see why they are both going to be Habs for the remainder of their respective contracts. The only thing that makes that unpalatable is having to listen to you moan and groan over the contract for the next 3-4 years. Give it up. Gainey brought Gomez here for a reason. It’s called the playoffs. His contract is moot, except to people who are simple, err, I mean single, minded.

  259. Chorske says:

    Truest thing ever said on HIO.

  260. VancouverHab says:

    Ouch! That’s so true it hurts.

  261. light_n_tasty says:

    That may be so (about it being sad for the team of Gomez was injured), but BUT I WOULD RATHER HE WAS INJURED THAN MARKOV.

  262. BC HAB says:

    If that person was a “legit top six” don’t you think that team would wanna try to resign him.

  263. SeriousFan09 says:

    Unless of course they need to re-sign other players or he doesn’t want to stay and the team knows that so they’re looking to get something out of him.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  264. SeriousFan09 says:

    Salary cap to grow again by 2 million? Globe and Mail says it’s possible with league revenues and players using the 5% inflator to make sure their contract offers stay juicy.

    Thrashers to become Nordiques 2.0, Coyotes Jetting back to the ‘Peg also discussed.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  265. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    Apparently the comment sector of this site only exists to bash players or management, be it Price v. Halak, Martin deserving to be fired, Gauthier being a fool, Eller being a garbage player in return for Halak, WEBER CAN’T PLAY AT THE NHL LEVEL, etc. etc. I could care less about engaging in these pointless debates, so I would rather repeat my redundant posts that we should attempt to acquire Zach Parisé at or near the deadline, seeing as some other posters have mentioned the idea below.

    New Jersey is in some shit shape and have backed themselves into a corner cap-wise. I do not see how they can re-sign him for a price that works for them, even as an RFA. More importantly, I dont see why he would want to stay there so NJ should be prepared for him to make negotiations even harder.

    That being the scenario, I would like to see a trade go down that does not involve one of our critical players. Pacioretty and Pyatt or Moen and our 1st round pick, maybe a 3rd round pick as well, would all be expendable in my opinion. Some other prospects who are losing whatever value the have or had like Carle and Desharnais (as much as I would like to keep him) could be shipped out as well. NJ has about 8 roster spots opening up and little money to fill them. Parisé could very well be the last piece of the puzzle necessary, and he is plenty young enough where we wouldn’t really be selling out our future.

    With Hamrlik and Markov likely gone or taking drastic pay-cuts, we can fit him under our cap. Then we can have our own NJ Devils line with Gionta-Gomez-Parisé… Not a big power forward like most on here want, but Darche-Eller-Pouliot have been doing a good job quietly playing like big power forwards.


    The Hockey God will remain for 6 more years…

  266. SeriousFan09 says:

    I personally do not believe the Habs can put together a viable trade package for Parise, Kessel was bought with two 1st-rounders and a 2nd-rounder and Parise’s an even better player than he is, one of the ten best wingers in the NHL easily, maybe Top-5.

    The cost in draft picks/prospects would hurt the organization too much in terms of future interests for having cap-friendly rookies on the team, Subban + Price are untouchables and the veteran players are either too old, too big a contract or too important to team chemistry to willingly give up IMO.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  267. habsgod says:

    I  was just surfing around on my computer tonight, and visited htr site(hockey trade rumors) and this idiot leafs fans had the gull to say that kessel was the most productive scorer in the division! hahahahahaha did i ever have a good laugh at that 1 he’s  no where near cammalleri as a scorer and never will be! now if this idiot leafs fan said that kessel was the most inconsistent goal scorer in the division he’d be 100% bang on

  268. Ian Cobb says:

    Ya!  Kessel and Pouliot are tied for the scoring lead!

  269. Ian Cobb says:

    Here is this weeks report on where we place in this 30 team league and compare to last week.

    The 1st most important statistic is goals against, for it measures the total team play.

    The second of course is total team points in the standings. So here goes.


    Goals Against–53.   We are in   2nd place.   Last week we were in   2nd place.

    Total Points—-36.   We are in   4th place.    Last week we were in   4th place.

    Goals For——-71.   We are in 15th place.    Last week we were in  19th place.


    total point stat is very solid this year, particularly in the era of 3
    point games as seen last night with Boston and Toronto.

    I did not
    mind Toronto beating Boston, as Boston is closer to us in the
    standings. But what bothers me is that Boston still gets a point for

    So it is very difficult to gain much separation between teams in the standings with 3 point games in play now.

    But our record of winning in regulation time, preventing the opposition from acquiring a point is very good so far this year.

  270. habsgod says:

    this is great stuff ian thanks again for doing this

  271. Say Ash says:

    Thanks, Ian.

    Man, Boston is stingy with the goals, eh?

  272. RGM says:

    Did anybody go to either the Price/Gorges/Lapierre or Subban signings today?

    Go Habs Go!

  273. Psycho29 says:

    I saw a feature about both events on RDI….looks like people were lined up since 7AM…

    They asked PK about missing the 2 games, he said its out of his control, its a coaching staff decision, and he’ll just do his best next time he’s put back into the lineup…


  274. jimmy shaker says:

    JM, PK has to get back in there 100% Tuesday night, or he’ll run the risk or really hurting Parnell now and his future.  The only way to get PK back in there is to take out Picard.  Give Picard a rest and let Weber keep going.  PK and Weber should be a good combo.  No slagging on Picard, he has done well, but it’s for the good of the team.


  275. showey47 says:

    I think both weber and subban play the right side. If anyone sits it will probably have too be one or the other. Unless gorges or spacek sits. Maybe the better way to go is to try 7 dmen for a game and sit a forward. This can take away some of the heavy minutes away from harmlik,spacek and gill and also give us another option on the poweplay.

  276. kakey says:

    Speaking of goalies just stumble upon this:

    Patrick Roy stick handle beyond the red line

  277. SeriousFan09 says:

    That is awesome.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  278. Danno says:

    Good one!


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  279. christophor says:

    so so awesome!

  280. SmartDog says:


    I love that Price has some of the same cockiness.


  281. Say Ash says:

    Why hinder a goalie from taking it end to end? What’s the rationale behind the penalty, assuming he’s fair game at that point?

  282. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    Agreed that Parisé is much better than Kessel, but I think Kessel was viewed as much better at the time than he has turned out to be. Also, Burke is an idiot. I don’t think anyone would replicate that offer for one player again, unless it were Ovechkin, Crosby, or Stamkos. If that is what it costs, then it is indeed too much, and may the stupidest GM win in that case.

    I just don’t see what other option Lamoriello has other than to trade him. Signing him for his value in an assuredly long-term deal would even further destroy that team’s hopes for the next 5-10 years. They’re still stuck with ridiculous contracts for Volchenkov and Tallinder for several years, and Rolston, Elias, and Zajac for the next few. If they’re lucky, Kovalchuk will reconsider and dive overboard to the KHL. Otherwise, they need a firesale and start rebuilding… and in the meantime field offers from buyers who’d like to move the team where they have fans…

    But back to our team… I am not saying we could offer the best deal, but it should be explored by management. He is I’m interested to see what any on-the-Cup-bubble teams out there with hope to sign him long term could offer. The Sabres could use them, but I think they are allergic to any significant trading.

    The Hockey God will remain for 6 more years…

  283. slapshot777 says:

    New Jersey really doesn’t have much say in the matter. They really have backed themelves in a corner with no way out. Other teams know this as well. Lou will NOT get what he wants in any trade. He can take the best possible offer, or he can run the risk of losing any UFA outright at seasons end. It will be interesting to see what happens.



    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  284. blu3chip says:

    2 1st rounders for Kessel was too much, unless they are both 20th+ picks. And trading two 1st rounders in the beginning/middle of a rebuild is just silly.

    Personally I would give up 2 first rounders for Parise, but not the coming year’s draft.

    Parise is a much well rounded player than the one dimensional Kessel.

    I would love to see a management break down in NJ which results in trading Parise to us for low return or let us sign him as a UFA  😀

    ok ok I will stop dreaming..

  285. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    It is a dream, but the management breakdown is pretty much already in order lol. Maybe Pacioretty, this year’s second, next years first and some other Bulldogs with Moen or Pyatt to fill their soon to be depleted, yet still expensive roster… I was thinking they should be hoping Brodeur retires or trade him, but then they’ll be hunting for two goalies as Hedberg is a UFA. God, you could write a thesis on the NJ Devils tribulations… Why did no one stop Lamoriello? Did they not think they would have to choose between him and Parisé? if they sign both, the rest of they’re team will be bums and/or washed up players like Arnott, Elias, and Rolston… They’re perennial playoff contender streak is done, and its crashing hard… FIRESALE!!!

    The Hockey God will remain for 6 more years…

  286. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:


  287. soperman says:

    How could Roy not know he couldn’t carry the puck past centre?  He must have not known how far out he was….


  288. HardHabits says:

    The Habs are in the elite in the league even though they:

    1) were able to trade their star goaltender from last year’s play-off run,

    2) are winning without their #1 defenseman,

    3) are winning while they’ve sat their #1 prospect and star rookie by filling his spot with another prospect,

    4) are getting wins even while their highest paid forward, although picking it up lately, has been in a points production slump since the start of the season.

    The Habs also:

    5) have one of the best GAA in the league,

    6) have one of the best penalty kills in the league,

    7) have a goaltender who could be a Vezina candiate,

    8) have a coach who could be a Jack Adams candidate,

    9) have a centre who’s been touted as a Selke candidate,

    10) have rookie defenseman who’s been touted as a rookie of the year candidate.

    Oddly enough that isn’t good enough. Not for Habs fans or doubters. It’s still a young season. The upcoming road trip will be a great test of this teams’ mettle. And the commentariat.


  289. twocents says:

    The bottom line is we, as fans, can’t be anything but happy about the state of the team right now.


  290. SmartDog says:

    Most of this is true.  We’re a good team.

    Plan the parade.

  291. twocents says:

    Oh, and by the way, aren’t you happy the team didn’t take the armoured approach you campaigned so vigorously for last year?

  292. Tremblant Habs Fan says:

    What happened to all those posters who said they would give CP 20 games before they pass judjement on him? So what’s the verdict?

  293. pmaraw says:

    i plan on going to the parade if/when it happens, does that count?

  294. punkster says:

    Does my heart good to see a couple of posts from the two of you when you’re not at eachothers’ throats over, well, you-know-what. Kudos!

  295. twocents says:

    A well-coached one too.

    We aren’t doing this on the strength of dominating talent. We have talent, but on paper this team doesn’t exactly compare to the other top teams.

    Martin has this team playing an awful lot like his Senator squads. The big difference being he has battle-tested, jewelry wearing vets on this squad(including a certain Alaskan)… and a legitimate NHL goaltender. 

  296. Timo says:

    Were Fischer and Neil part of Martin’s teams in Ottawa, or did they come after? It is true, one thing Martin never had was a legitimate NHL goalie. I remember Sens getting killed by Leafs and Devils only cause Lalime couldn’t stop a beach ball. (or was it Lalime). Man, seems like it was 100 years ago.

  297. Say Ash says:

    Everyone’s bought into the system. Look at how they collapse on Price. Even AK comes back now. Great stuff.

  298. SmartDog says:

    I’ll take back my sarcasm then.   Just for your heart.

  299. punkster says:

    LOL…a sensitive dog…good boy.

  300. Timo says:

    I actually can’t beleive how good AK is in our own end. And his backchecking has been really consistent. The dude’s got speed.

  301. Say Ash says:

    and strong like bull!

  302. HardHabits says:

    Seriuosly Dave. Look at his reply…most of it is true….

    Let me guess, the part that isn’t true is the although (Gomez is) picking it up lately part.

    Gomez bashing and the salary versus points production has become the new Tony242 argument.

    Humour is one thing, sarcasm another. It’s not that anymore, it’s just incessant droning and it’s repetitive and the majority of the intelligent posters counter it while the same group stick to the same mantra of points production divided by 8 million dollars equals the amount of bitching we are forced to hear about Gomez.

    It was like Bugs a while back going on about how the Habs got scalded in the Halak for Eller deal.

    Too many people trying to be right with criticism rather than try to be right with praise. I am not a rose coloured glasses individual. I am highly critical. My criticisms of Gomez had nothing to do with his salary. Nevertheless I was always confident in my criticism that he was a late starter, would show up in the playoffs and was a valuable asset to the team. The salary is moot as far as I am concerned.

    The breaking point for me was the wishing Gomez was injured instead of Markov, not to mention the idiocy of people suggesting trading him, waiving him or sending him to Hamilton.

    What really bothers me is when it’s people who I respect and whose posts I enjoy reading (i.e. SmartDog and Bugs) who make these comments.

  303. light_n_tasty says:

    Good grief, your Gomez defending and Gomez-bashing-bashing are just as “Tony242” as anything else.  Didn’t you even make Gomez your avatar last week?  It’s almost as “Tony242” as your tank crap last year.

  304. ctony says:

    Really?  You don’t
    like incessant repetitive droning? YOU don’t? Really?   This
    is your third post with the same starting three bullets in the past few
    days.  First credited as TSN says, then a
    mild nod to the TSN, now they’re your thoughts. 
    To quote the pilfered words of Senor Boone, “spare us”.


    Nice to see you on the bandwagon now.  It sure would be nice if you manned up and
    admitted that your current position at times is exactly contrary to your
    previous rants.


    1. You lobbied for
    Tank 2.0 and Triple T.

    2. Wanted to trade
    Price instead of Halak
    , “… and I hoped Price would’ve been the one
    on the trading block first.”

    3. Questioned the
    value returned in the Halak deal and our ability to draft
    , ” It’s
    called a Gainey man-crush that’d make even Pierre McGuyer blush. The worse
    thing is that both Eller and Schultz could’ve been drafted by the Habs but they
    opted for other players.”


    Perhaps you could end every post with, “I reserve the
    right to revise history as needed to continue berating people whose opinions don’t
    comport with my own at that instant…”


  305. HardHabits says:

    Really. Nice to see you’ve been doing your homework, unfortunately your studies are an example of cherry picking.

    1. I readily admit that I promoted tanking and trading both goaltenders. I also changed my mind on both subjects. Long ago. I manned up. Whenever I am wrong I admit it. I learn, I move on. It’s not my intention to be a weather-vane for popular thinking here. Generally I like to stake a position that is contrarian. It’s a debate. Try and argue the point of a position you disagree with sometime. It’s quite enlightening.

    I gave up the tank talk when the Habs made the ECF’s. If you follow my defense of the tanking theory you’d see that I always used Pittsburgh, Washington, and Chicago as examples. 2 of those 3 have already won Cups. Washington is a heavy favourite. I highly suspected the ability of the Habs management to put together a real team that could contend because the Habs always languished in the middle of the pack. No top draft picks. They had a tendancy to trade picks for rentals. Anyways I’ve gone through this many times. Try picking some other posts. You’ll see a progression of thinking. Really the big chrysalis came with the Tony242 posts, it was then that I started turing over to the good side of the HIO force if you will. It’s like in wrestling. I was a bad guy and now I am a good guy. You want to enter the ring with me and scrap. No problem. Bring it! I like the challenge.

    About T cubed. I said the Habs since Roy and Penney have been relying on goaltending and I believed that if one was to go both should’ve been traded. Here’s where I value the thoughts of others. I changed my tune after much poking and prodding and started supporting Price. I still had my doubts that Price would turn it around. Fortunately he’s been playing like he used to in junior and in the A. Credit Pierre Groulx for undoing Melanson’s damage. Back then I thought a most of the problem was mental with Price but in retrospect I am thinking that a lot was technical too. Credit Bill J’s posts for those insights. I also give credit where credit is due. I don’t need to mention every source of where my thoughts have been influenced. Geez dude!! When I first posted the paraphrase from the TSN I readily stated my source. And yes I eventually re-worded and added other points I had read elsewhere with maybe a smidgen of an original quip or two added for extra flavour. You really are a nit-picky one.

    2. Hey. Trade both goaltenders. TTT!! End the Halak/Price debate. I am glad I am not a GM. Nope. I am HH. The poster of outrageous ideas that would make Pierre McGuire blush.

    3. I was shocked when they traded Halak. Shocked I tell’s ya!! It took me about a day to get over it. Yes I had a slight anti-Price relapse but took a deep breath as was suggested by ZepFan2 and moved on. Sue me!! I took a closer look at the trade and warmed up fast. Keep’em guessing I say. Works wonders in Texas Hold’em. That and luck.

    Perhaps you could end your post with, “I reserve the right to cherry pick from HH’s past comments as needed to continue berating his opinions because they don’t comport with mine”

  306. HardHabits says:

    You need more fibre in your diet.

  307. Bugs says:

    Until Eller brings the same impact to the team that Halak did (which I ALWAYS said), we DID get scalded on the trade.

    Don’t lump me into your group tirades, please.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  308. mbplekfan says:

    MaxPac continues to score down in Hamilton, however it should be noticed that most of his goals are assisted by Desharnais. Last year Desharnais setup Trotter for a whole bunch and is clearly an elite AHL player.

    How much of a discount do we have to give to Pacioretty’s goal output considering who he is playing beside?

  309. SeriousFan09 says:

    From what I’ve read, Pacioretty is doing just as much of this on his own as it is being aided by Desharnais. His goals are up this season certainly, but at HF Boards, posters about the Bulldogs are quick to credit Pacioretty with improving his own game.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  310. larisalapointe says:


  311. Max_a_million says:



    I want to bring my peewee son to a practice in Brossard.  Possibly tomorrow, and I was looking for some help with some questions (we would be driving a couple of hours, and I want to be prepared):

    1) What time does one need to be there to be able to see comfortably?

    2) Is the line for practice always long?

    3) Any ideas of the times they will be on the ice?

    It seems like they practice at 11 ish.  The facility website says it’s 10:00 – 13:00, and the girls in the giftshop say 9:00 – 12:00 … 

    4) Is there anything going on when they are not practicing for entertainment?  Not that it matters, but I am interested in knowing.

    5) anything else I should know?

    Any help would be greatly appreciated. 


  312. blu3chip says:

    omg our PP is now 17.9% (12th), and PK 90.1% (1st)  😀

  313. samTHEman says:

    Usually they do some off-ice warm-up on the soccer field and then hit the ice around 10:45 – 11:00. Practice usually lasts an hour, and then some players stay on the ice to work on their shot or whatever. On some days the parking lot is full. There’s no line but on packed days, there are lots of people leaning on the glass. They don’t actually let you inside the arena where the ice is like they did during training camp games. You would be watching from behind the glass. There’s a lot of room around the rink so I would say plan to show up at 10:30 and you will find a nice spot near a table up on the glass. There’s an Al Van Houtte Coffee shop right upstairs next to where you would be watching practice, so you can have breakfast there.

    The practice facility is in the midst of what we call “Quartier Dix 30” which is huge, filled with every possible outlet store you can imagine, restaurants, retail stores, etc. There’s a Cineplex Odeon if you want to enjoy a movie with your son after the game. Few restaurants in the vicinity ,Quiznos Subway Scores Cumulus…etc.

    You could grab a Quarter Dix 30 pamphlet with all the list of stores and attractions.

    I would be there since I have a 3 hour break after my 8 o clock class but I have an exam afterwards. By the way, where are you driving from out of curiosity?

  314. SmartDog says:

    Awesome info Sam. Thanks.
    I’ve been planning on taking my kids too.  Driving in from Saint Sauveur.

    Any rules about which days are least busy?… I guess I can call and check when they’re there.

    Also… I doubt it but are there any ways to get a chance at an autograph?

  315. joeybarrie says:

    Considering our terrible start to our PP, it is currently (over the last 10 games or so) alot better than 17.9%. Its a nice misleading stat that helps. HOPEFULLY other teams are still underestimating it. However, clearly, SJ didnt underestimate it. They took no penalties……

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  316. Max_a_million says:

    Sam you are the man for sure.

    Thanks so much!

    Good Luck with your exam!

    We would be driving from Vermont, close to Burlington.

    We had a tournament at les quatres glaces a couple of exits up, and checked out the practice area on a Sunday, and wanted to make a point of getting back up on a practice day. 

    Thanks again!

  317. samTHEman says:

    Ok. I have a HUGE question. Don’t jump to conclusions just yet. Think it out. Please, I want to actually see some reasoning behind your argument.


    If Weber continues to play strong defensively and chip in offensively, the Canadiens continue winning, thus, JM keeping the line-up intact.

    Do you think JM will try playing Subban as a forward (even if just once) like we’ve seen with Dandenault, Streit, and the Buff expiriment in Chicago, which was a HUGE success?

    And is it a good idea, assuming Weber is playing the way he’s played the last 2 games?

    Subban is fast, strong, great hands, great shot, and is not afraid to skate near the net.

    I’m not implying anything with this post. Merely considering the situation with a bit of amusement


  318. SeriousFan09 says:

    I don’t think so, I think JM is tired with the D on the 4th line experiment. Subban will get back in and JM will juggle his 7 Ds from this point on.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  319. samTHEman says:

    Usually practices on friday mornings seem to be the busiest or after a really strong game as well. Parking lot seems to be fuller when the team is winning, go figure. Bandwagonners!

    As for autographs…the players park their cars in a secluded parking in the back (or underground actually). I see a few people standing around outside waiting after practice, near what seems to be where the players come out with their cars. I think it’s the gate to the underground parking. You can probably catch them driving off. Probably no chance for an autograph.


  320. Max_a_million says:


    I have never understood why they wouldn’t rotate the defenceman with an off day.  Then each would get one game off every 7.  This seems like it might prolong the energy of our two old czech brothers stanley and spaceman.  Really why not?

    I think Subban is far too valuable at moving the puck up, and at times we struggle with this.  This seems like something we will really need to go far. 


  321. samTHEman says:

    No problem have a good one!

    Note that sometimes the practice is a bit earlier (around the 9:00-9:30 range). I’ve come to the realisation that calling in for practice times usually leads to an epic FAIL, especially when you’re driving from Vermont…ouch. Unfortunately whatever schedule they have posted on the site is subject to change without prior notice. Hopefully it all works out.

  322. Propwash says:

    Who do you sacrifice to put PK in that role though….


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  323. Dintrox says:

    PK comes back… martin has ears and i’m sure he hears opinions. the forward experiment isn’t for PK, he is beyond weber d – wise. dandenault and streit were 6th -7th d men and PK is top 2 in a year or so. look at  buff’s size! PK takes a d spot and weber 7th up in the pressbox.


  324. ooder says:

    martin has ears “.. boy does he ever



    88 is the new 23

  325. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:
    Earlier I posted about the far-fetched but possible opportunity to trade some picks and Bulldogs for Parisé and form a Gionta-Gomez-Parisé line… I was then reminded by an old article that this line actually DID exist in New Jersey for a portion of the season where Carolina defeated the Habs in 7, then the Devils, before beating Buffalo in 7 and winning the Cup… as a line in the last 15 games of that season, they combined for 27 goals, and 6 came from Parisé, who added 4 assists. It was however his first ‘hot streak’ he had for NJ, as he swtiched from C to LW… cheers for line chemistry. Our very own former New Jersey Devil, All-American, Canadiens line… MAKE IT HAPPEN.

    The Hockey God will remain for 6 more years…

  326. andrewberkshire says:

    We gotta kill someone to do it? Well then… Not sure if its worth it then.

  327. HardHabits says:

    Ah man. I had my candles, incense and robe ready for the ritual.

  328. andrewberkshire says:

    Put that stuff away, back into the trunk in the back of the closet. You only need to get it out when Smartdog steps out of line again.

  329. mbplekfan says:

    It takes many years to develop even the most basic defenseman. A puck moving, defensively responsible one is worth his weight in gold. There is no way you take a defenseman like PK and throw away all the years of training just because Yannick Weber played a few good games.

    PK is going to be the #1 guy for a long time in MTL. He wont be seeing time on the wing.

  330. W35T5ID3 says:





                                                 (now going by W35T5ID3 cuz the boys at HIO cancelled my HW account)

    go habs go….leafs blow yo…haha

  331. SmartDog says:

    I put this out a couple of days ago… I think it was in a question list… as an option – to the usual heckles.  I can’t say I think it’s highly likely but we know JM does this, PK has the tools, and JM is in a bind with Weber.  I could see it hapening.

    I think the goal is to see if Weber is ready.  Two games suggests he is, but they probably want 10 games or more before they are reasonably sure.  So I think they want to play Weber.  If you take the next weakest person off the team, to me that’s Pyatt.  A good place for PK to fit in… and we know Weber seems better on D.  PK on the other hand could probably play net f you asked him to!  Joking, but you know what I mean.

  332. HabFanSince72 says:

    That wasn’t a great save. He threw a hail mary  and the puck hit his glove.

  333. matmacat says:

    if that’s your way of thinking when it comes to goalies, then let me point out that CP did pretty much the same thing. The guy just shot into his glove. The important thing is that the gloves WERE there.

  334. SmartDog says:

    Great info.  Thanks again.

  335. SmartDog says:

    If it were to happen I think it would be Pyatt.


  336. Julie H says:

    Depending on the day/how the practice went, sometimes they leave through the front of the building and most of them are willing to sign autographs for fans (although pictures are rare).  If they are going to the Bell Centre, you can stand in back of the Bell Centre and it’s the same deal with the cars (although when I went to a practice there, most of them stopped their cars for autographs and pictures).

    “I know you’re wise beyond your years, but do you ever get the fear that your perfect verse is just a lie you tell yourself to help you get by?”

  337. linp says:

    There is a suggestion to pair Gill with PK and Gorges with Weber.

  338. HardHabits says:

    I’ve moth-balled the battalion.

  339. Timo says:

    HIO can’t be happy. When was the last time Boone’s game blog hit 1000 comments?

  340. BJT says:

    Perhaps Desharnais (dude needs a nickname!) and Patches are pencilled in as a JM Duo of the future, a la Eller-Pou Pou, Pleks-Cammy, G-love – Gio?


    Formerly known as Camel_Larry..
    ..”No more Looser on this teams!!” – Canadienboy

  341. joeybarrie says:

    “Pacioretty is doing just as much of this on his own” What the hell do you know about it? Have you been attending the games? Have you been following it? Some people think they know everything about our prospects…

    Actually it is good to hear, my fear is always the jump to the next level, cause there are players who thrive under the AHL game, but if you take them out, they are not as effective. Especially the older ones, which was my initial fear with Darche. You have so much experience playing in a certain style, and the ability to change it is what makes a great players. Glad to see my fears were nonsense with Darche.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  342. VancouverHab says:

    Based on the meaning of his name, let’s call him –Groom–

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