NHLPA’s latest offer still not good enough for Bettman

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NHLPA executive director Donald Fehr said the new six-page proposal he made to the league on Wednesday morning in New York was “about as good” as the players could do in an attempt to end the lockout.

It wasn’t good enough for NHL commissioner Gary Bettman.

“There was some movement in our direction and it was appreciated,” Bettman told reporters in New York Wednesday afternoon. “We’re still far apart. But hopefully there’s some momentum so we can bring this to a conclusion.”

The Canadian Press reported that the union proposed a 50-50 split of revenues during the five-year deal along with $393 million in deferred make whole payments throughout the agreement. Two weeks ago, the league offered $211 million and a 50-50 split.

You can read more by clicking here.

To read the NHLPA memo outlining the latest proposal, click here.

The Canadiens’ Brandon Prust tweeted after Bettman rejected the proposal: “Gary bettman’s autobiography is in stores now. It’s titled ‘how I destroyed a sport and a nation'”

You can read more player tweets by clicking here.

To read about a tweet comparing Bettman to an annoying manager at a McDonald’s restaurant, click here.

Former Hab Roman Hamrlik expressed his frustration in an interview with Czech-publication Daily Sport:

“I am disgusted,” Hamrlik was translated as saying. “We have to push Fehr to the wall to get the deal. Time is against us. We lost 1/4 season, it is $425 million. Who will give it back to us? Mr. Fehr?

“There should be voting between players. Four questions – YES or NO – then count it. If half of players say let’s play, then they should sign new CBA. If there is no season he should leave and we will find someone new. Time is our enemy.”

Read more on Hamrlik by clicking here.

 “(The players) are suffering right along with the fans,” Fehr told reporters in New York. “We made an enormous move in the owners direction to try and end it — at least as of today that hasn’t been successful.”

You can watch video of Fehr and Bettman addressing the media in New York by clicking here.

No further meetings have been scheduled and Thursday marks the beginning of the long U.S. Thanksgiving weekend.

Below is video of a recent interview Wayne Gretzky did with NBC about the lockout:

(Photo by Mary Altaffer/The Associated Press)

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  2. Habfan10912 says:

    Odds of Hamrlik saying he was misquoted tomorrow?

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  3. frontenac1 says:

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  4. Haborama says:

    WOW, I was a HUGE Cole fan during last season, his play was inspirational and he really came off as a true-blue, stand-up guy.

    Sadly he has made a TOTAL FOOL OF HIMSELF during the lockout and I have lost serious respect for him.

    what a loser, seriously dude, get a life……

    • Mike D says:

      You’re certainly entitled to your opinion Rama, but a couple things to keep in mind about Erik Cole:

      – The guy came back from a VERY serious neck injury in 2006 to help his team win a Stanley Cup.
      – Was one of the few Habs that you can honestly say never took a shift off despite last year’s joke of a season and always gave 100% effort
      – Plays exactly like the player we signed him to be for us.
      – Was arguably our most productive forward last year.
      – By all accounts is a great team guy, became a leader in the room right away, and even flew Leblanc’s parents out to Cali on his own dime so they could see their son’s NHL debut.

      All these things that, as you say, made him a true-blue, stand-up guy are just being manifested in his views on the lockout and NHL ownership/Bettman. He’s standing up for his fellow players.

      What’s ironic is that you say you’ve lost respect for him for how he’s conducted himself during the lockout, but then YOU proceed to call him a fool, a loser, and tell him to get a life?

      That’s rich.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

  5. habstrinifan says:

    mark-ID

    November 21, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    Never thought I’d say this, but I miss listening to Pierre Mcguire on TSN….lol

    I miss TSN alld ay ‘HABS’ radio too Mark.

    To any of the montreal folks! Is TSN Montreal still on air? I used to listen to them all day long. Now all I get on the dial is static!

  6. JayK-47 says:

    Habs of the current, former and not re-signed variety are fighting? Oh no! Where’s Gomez? He can fix it! He’s ‘good in the room’!

  7. Mike D says:

    Both Darche and Cole give Hamrlik the gears for his comments today.

    Season or no season, Habs are still dysfunctional!

    *Edit – Gorges gave him some too.

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

    • Mike D says:

      Wowsers! I gotta see this:

      Dave Stubbs ‏@Dave_Stubbs

      “I’ll post #Habs Cole story to http://hockeyinsideout.com by 10 pm ET. I’ve never heard a player strafe another in public like Cole rips Hamrlik”

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I like Erik Cole alot as a player, as a leader etc… Thought the world of him last year when he did some real neat things for players on team, and how hard he played for the team.

        BUt he is in unique spot, he has guaranteed signing bonus money. Most players are not in that same situation.

        • Ron says:

          He has been collecting pay cheques right upto a few weeks ago as he was nursed back to health by the Habs organization as well. Easy to hold court when you are not playing out your last year. Hammer will go back to Europe to play with his brother Martin as per the Czech article he was quoted in.

  8. Kevy says:

    My recurring dream Habs win the cup and Gary comes out to give the cup to Gionta and give his speech

  9. Ron says:

    Bulldogs win 2-1. Take the split and head home.

  10. mrhabby says:

    I reckon were about 1 month to 1.5 months away from a drop dead date for the season to be cancelled….still time to get a season in, still time for someone to cave…neither side wants the season gone. Still in the rhetoric stage and lots of bullshit.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I heard today that a rumour out there is that the major corp. sponsors of the leagues have min. 60-62 game sched. in order for them to pay whole sponsorships. This means a 48 or 58 type game schedule is less likely this season. This would move the drop dead date closer from the date used in the season where I believe they played a 42 or 48 game sched.

      • habstrinifan says:

        I heard the 60-62 game ‘deadline’ for sponsors also. Apparently if any truncated season were to contain less than 60 games sponsors would have moved on with their dollars.

        That leads a more frightening dilemna for the NHLPA than for the NHL I think. If the NHL maintains a ‘minimum’ bargaining position and the NHLPA does not accept it in time for a 60 game minimum season, then I think the NHL would go for the throat here.

        Bettman and the NHL really have nothing to lose except perhaps the unpredictability of the fans in the next two years or so. I think in Canadian cities and the ‘original six’ cities in the States , the NHL doesn’t fear any long lasting fan exodus. And in the cities like Phoenix and Dallas etc they see minimal impact on fans either way and greater need for lower operating (salary) costs.

        I think many teams ‘saved’ money by not operating this season (unless under a new CBA) and it isnt a stretch to believe that should there be not enough time to play the 60 limit game the entire season would be cancelled….. and the NHLPA (players) would be the loser.

        I had been open minded and maybe even distrusting of the NHL before. I think a lot of it was due to my dislike of Bettman himself. But I heard two very good arguments explaining that the players are not facing reality…. they are drawing excessive salaries based on the fact that many teams are indeed losing money.

        One thing that people overlook. Long ago only ‘hockey people’ ran teams. People who loved hockey. Now a greater input from ‘capologists’ and accountants are in play. And the people who are determining the goals of this ‘lockout’ are those money stewards.

        Also do not under-estimate the precedents set by the NBA, and NFL and how envously the NHL owners look at the labour agreements in those leagues. Baseball is more complicated but it too has begun a restructuring of salary costs and guarantees.

        • Mike D says:

          In regards to this part of your post:

          “I heard two very good arguments explaining that the players are not facing reality…. they are drawing excessive salaries based on the fact that many teams are indeed losing money”

          I don’t think it’s the players fault that some teams lose money. The owners set the bar for what players are worth based on the contracts they offer them. It’s also not the players fault that some teams don’t have good enough fanbases (in many cases the sunbelt teams) to generate adequate income for themselves, or that the the league didn’t have a better revenue sharing system between the richer teams and the poorer teams.

          – Honestly yours
          Twitter: @de_benny

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I am always intrigued by the argument that it is the owners fault for the contracts. It isn’t that I disagree, but it isn’t that simple. Teams sign these contracts in an effort to make their team better, to increase their chances at winning. This is done to help the team, to make fans happy etc…. And the players with the help (guidance) of their agents essentially encourage and almost demand these contracts in order to go to these teams or resign there.

            Yes end of day the team/owners sign these contracts, but the players/agents are more than happy to sign them and want them. It is disingenuous for them to now say hey don’t sign us to so much money.

            I am probably not articulating this well, but hope my point is made.

          • Stuck_in_To. says:

            Not the players’ fault … how cannot it be the players’ fault? Greedy, avaricious buggers that they are …

            The NHL created the possibility of the NHL superstar, the owners and teams signed them to the contracts WITHOUT any guns held to their heads, discounting profit and greed of course, and the same NHL looked at the huge population of the USA and went into financial rapture … only it turns out that the sun belt ain’t got no snow so now in order to maintain the fiction of their business they need to do so on the backs of the superstars they created … so bend over players, it is time to pay the owners.

            And can any one explain why, on the verge of 2013, television is the salvation of the NHL business? Television? I don’t have a television service any more … fer freak sake, really?

            The NHL did not invent hockey nor have they been very good custodians of it for at least a decade. Let the whole mess sink. Something better wouldn’t be that hard.

          • Mike D says:

            @ HiB

            I agree it’s not that simple, and I didn’t want to over-simplify the issue in my post either. A lot of what the owners want seems to be protection from themselves though and they want the players to take the short end of the stick in many of those regards.

            If I had it my way, teams would also have a way to seek financial restitution from players who don’t live up to their contracts (see Gomez), but taking away guaranteed contracts would be another massive issue in what is already an overly difficult negotiation.

            I realize I come across as pro-player and I probably am, but I really just want things to be fair for both sides since that is ultimately what’s best for the game I love so much. I just really get the impression the owners are essentially bullying the players and trying to bend them over. Obviously I say this in relative terms as the people on both sides are rich.

            – Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I hear you Mike. I am neither pro player or pro owner. I guess I just take a realistic perspective in which, the bosses will eventually get their way. So get all the small victories u can. As they did in the last agreement. They lost on salary cap but found a way to get their share up to 57%. End of day fed up with this crap. Have a good night Mike, always good chatting with you bud.

          • Mike D says:

            You’re a gentleman and a scholar, good sir.

            Enjoy chatting with you as well.

            Have a good one.

            – Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny

  11. Komihater says:

    Alright, here’s my latest proposal. It’s called the 6 year plan. I will not be spending a dollar on anything NHL related until the next CBA is renewed. I have lost total faith in the organization i spend so much emotion on. i am bitter, and very petty. Here’s to hoping they crash and burn.

  12. KLear says:

    If the Hamrlik report is true (who really knows with media AND translations) the cracks in the PA foundation may be showing.

    • Dust says:

      I don’t see what the big deal is about the comments. They should have a vote to see where the players stand. Fehr says he works for the players and does what they want. Then take a vote… see what they want. OR does Fehr only care what the top 10% money makers of the nhlpa think?

    • showey47 says:

      I have a real hard time believing there is 100% solidarity on either side. In hamrlik’s case, if we lose a full season his nhl career could very well be done. On the flip side you have the big money makers like molson,mlse and msg who i’m sure if they had their way would be playing games right now. I wonder if any if the nhlpa’s offer would have been accepted if it was a majority rules vote on the owners side instead of just needing 8 owners to turn it down?

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I think you are bang on Showey. The difference is that Bettman has a bigger hammer on the owners if they break stride versus what Fehr can do to players whom break stride.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Hammer mouthing of from his dressing room in the Czech republic is important? Prust stayed in town and is not at the end of his career.. I like Hammer but let’s face it, if he doesn’t play this year ,he is really worried. I get that,

  13. Bripro says:

    I was out all day.
    Didn’t have a chance to look at my favourite site until now, and what do I open to?
    A video link to both Fehr and Bettman spewing forth their verbal diarrhoea.
    “There’s a lot of spinning and gamesmanship” and “we’re willing to fork over $200MM where we don’t feel we’re responsible…..” blurts Bettman. Really?
    Are you that delusional?
    Who called this lock-out anyway?
    Let’s face it, ladies and germs, we can all kiss this season “goodbye!”
    I hope I’m not a buzz kill here.
    I’m sure I’m not the only one who posted frustration (I’ll see as soon as I scan previous threads).
    I hope the rest of you are having a good day without hockey.

  14. Ron says:

    BullDogs lead IceCaps 2-1 end of 2nd period. Quailer from Ellis and Beaulieu.

  15. HabinBurlington says:

    On a positive note the CFL and the Grey Cup are big benefactors of the current lockout. Most Canadian eyes will be focused on the big game this weekend, particularly those in Toronto with the Argos in the game and no Leaf distractions.

  16. Ron says:

    I read on a tweet yesterday that PM was in the running as GM of the Jays. How funny would that be.

  17. mark-ID says:

    Never thought I’d say this, but I miss listening to Pierre Mcguire on TSN….lol


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