NHLPA to grieve Kovy II rejection

The Players Association has filed a grievance against the NHL for rejecting Ilya Kovalchuk’s contract with the New Jerseys.

Distinguished members of the bar: Start your billables …

Eric Duhatschek’s take.

• Michael Traikos on Kovy II

• Allan Muir with more on Kovy II

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Mason Raymond and the Canucks avoid an arbitration hearing, scheduled for today.

Two years, $2.5 million and $2.6 million.

The signing pushes Vancouver over the cap, pending LTIR relief for Sami Salo.

The Bruins and Blake Wheeler are at an impasse. Wheeler’s agent is Matt Keator, whose client list includes Mike Komisarek.

James Mirtle’s list of arby hearings (including Raymond) and his updated list of free agents

Bruce Dowbiggin on HNIC

J.T. on P.K.

Bruno Gervais, good guy

• Wayne Fleming on coaching in Russia

• The Hockey News Puck Panel talks about Tampa Bay’s revival

• Nothing to do with hockey, but this becomes the gold standard for retractions. When do we see one from Eklund?

• Shout-out to nightmare_49 for finding Great Commercials in NHL History

HNIC Rewind: Game 7 in Pittsburgh





  1. GrimJim says:

    I thought Dante said the seventh circle of hell was frozen?

  2. HabFab says:

    Paul, let me take a crack here;

    – everything counts against the cap.

    – if you have a player on LTIR, the salary of the player replacing him (as long as not a higher amount) may be used as a credit in case the team goes over the cap.


    Clear as mud! Cheers and GD the lawyers!!

  3. GrimJim says:

    Did you read the Brian Larose article posted in yesterday’s thread? It sets out a possible explanation of what might be going on behind the scenes.

  4. GrimJim says:

    In other words, the NHL tells the team “Okay we’re not going to penalize you because you have an LTIR player, but you have zero room/cap space for any further moves.”

  5. Mike Boone says:

    It’s when you organize it.

  6. andrewberkshire says:

    St. Louis is listed as 5’9, but he isn’t. I’ve met the man and he’s the same height as me if not shorter and I’m a tiny bit over 5’7. As for durability, until last year Markov was one of the most durable people in the NHL, anything can happen, especially in the twilight of a career.

    The question isn’t whether St. Louis will play out the contract, I’m sure he will, but whether or not he’s worth 5.625 million in a year, 2 years or 3 years is going to be a major gamble.

  7. mike g says:

    We could have said that about Guillaume….

    Joke, lol.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  8. Mr. Biter says:


    In talks with Halak (and Blues) and Price. Price knows his worth (approx) and while negotiating with 2 goalies HABS have edge. Trade one and Price’s value (to him & his agent) goes up as the competition is gone. Bad move.

  9. TomNickle says:

    He’d make Tampa’s roster.

  10. SmartDog says:

    There’s an HIO skating party? 

    Great idea!  When is it?

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  11. SeriousFan09 says:

    I think it was a bump in his salary to compensate that they might not hit the Cup again while he’s there or really compete for one, so rather than him going shopping for one he gets his cash to his likely retirement and stays where he’s comfortable. I think Yzerman bought his alleigance a bit to make sure Stamkos had the veteran he needed to do well for the next few years as he grows into his game.

    True, playing at 5’9″ is a hard road but so far, St. Louis has proved surprising durable for someone of his size. I think he’ll surprise people and play even a bit after this contract ends.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  12. andrewberkshire says:

    He’s played sparingly, but if he can’t consistently crack the rosters on the worst teams in the NHL, then I don’t see any promise.

  13. andrewberkshire says:

    I get WHY they signed St. Louis, but he could have been had for less with that term. I also don’t buy the “less mileage” thing, considering he’s 5’7 and has played ~800 games with a very physical edge in his game, he’s had the mileage on a much rougher road.

  14. Bob Barker says:

    I don’t see where innovation fits in at the GM position. Draft, sign, trade. Yzerman has two big pieces to build around in Stamkos and Hedman. So far, I’d say his moves have been pretty good. 

    St-Louis is 35 right now. In the last year of his contract he’ll be 38. He’s a top-10 point producer and has great chemistry with Stamkos. If Yzerman didn’t give him the money, another team definitely would have. I don’t think it’s a ridiculous contract because without him, they are a much worse team. 

    Up until this year Lidstrom was still making 7.45 as a 40 year-old and deservedly so. Elite players will continue to earn big money until very near the end of their careers. St-Louis is not at the same level as Lidstrom, but 5.625 million for an above point-per-game player is very reasonable. 

  15. G-Man says:

    1. 5 years ago- Ron, too.  2 Pedneault- he’s less controversial in English.  3. Hawks (if they’re coming this season) 4. nothing, not even the annoying videos I hear about. Glad I don’t go there.  5. When the 7th circle of Hell reverses course. Like, at the Laffs next Stanley Cup victory.

  16. HabFanSince72 says:

    In the event a player is placed on LTIR, his cap hit still counts toward the team’s overall cap payroll.

    In other words, if the team is over the cap, having an injured player  doesn’t get them under the cap?


  17. Chuck says:

    In theory, yes… but if the Blues had gotten wind of the Habs’ contract talks with Price, (hey, agents talk) they’re back to dealing from a position of weakness since you’ve tipped that Jaro would definitely be the one being traded.

  18. SeriousFan09 says:

    I don’t see the visionary moves really with Yzerman, I think he’s gambled a lot with what his vision of an NHL should be while managing with less money and dealing with the Lecavalier boat anchor. It’s all very bold, but 10-11 could be an ugly season in Tampa.

    For St. Louis, I get why Yzerman did it. Their only strong veteran leader, he’s got 514 points in his last 6 seasons and only one year where he dipped under 80 points. Played under 800 games at his age so he doesn’t have the mileage that guys like him generally have (generally approaching the 1000 games + marker) and he’s been pretty damn durable. That and he’s the reason Lecavalier had those great seasons and is the reason Stamkos hit 51G last season. He is the engine that drives the production of his center and he is IMO the best French Canadian in the game.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  19. SeriousFan09 says:

    They needed St. Louis though, when Lecavalier was a rising star, Marty was the engine that drove his production and now he’s doing it with a much younger Steve Stamkos. He may be old, but he is their only strong veteran leader and he’s played under 800 games compared to other guys his age though so he’s got fewer miles on his body than a lot of 35+ NHLers. If his wheels go away, TB is screwed but I get why they did it.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  20. Chuck says:

    The only thing that he’d be making would be an ass of himself with a mirror and a cell phone.

  21. mike g says:

    He’s played with Toronto last year, and the year beofre if I’m not mistaken…

    And when he was traded to Carolina he played some games there too..

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  22. Chuck says:

    1. Keep him on, but give him a role that minimizes his pontificating. Ron would be better for it.

    2. None, since the self-proclaimed “centre of the hockey universe” wouldn’t stand for it.

    3. This season? QUACK!!!

    4. No… and he’d only have a 3% success rate on his retractions, anyway.

    5. Maybe not tickets, but a “hang with Boone in the pressbox and get him lit after the game at Hurley’s” contest would be interesting.

  23. G-Man says:

    It could have been announced at the same time. Easy, no?

  24. andrewberkshire says:

    One problem Tom, you put Jiri Tlusty down as someone who can help the Canes… I doubt he’s ever making the NHL.

  25. SeriousFan09 says:

    1. Yes, Ron I think without having to babysit Grapes could be what he used to be.

    2. Can’t think of one I really like, albeit I can’t really understand French that well so my opinion probably shouldn’t count.

    3. Habs-Ducks, the return of Koivu

    4. Nope

    5. When the devil ice-skates to work.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  26. Mike Boone says:

    5. When we have the HIO Skating Party in Hell

  27. Mike Boone says:

    You don’t know that. Here’s how it works, per CapGeek:

    Teams receive cap relief when a player is considered to have a “bona-fide long-term injury” — injuries that cause a player to miss at least 10 games or 24 days. This is one of the most commonly misunderstood aspects of the CBA.

    Just because a player is on LTIR does not automatically grant the team extra cap space. In the event a player is placed on LTIR, his cap hit still counts toward the team’s overall cap payroll. Relief only comes if replacing the player’s salary pushes the team’s cap payroll to date over the cap. The amount of relief is limited to the amount the team has gone over the cap, not the entire amount of the injured player’s salary.

    Performance bonuses are not used in the calculation of LTIR relief.

    To further explain this, take the concept of a bank account from ‘How is cap space calculated during the season?’ The team continues to spend its daily “deposit” once a player goes on LTIR, even when it calls up a replacement or multiple replacements. But any day its “payroll room” drops below zero, the team effectively receives an LTIR “credit” to cover the difference.

  28. Chuck says:

    You’re on your way to becoming a capologist! Maybe you can have BriseBois’ old job!

  29. andrewberkshire says:

    …I honestly wonder when you’re going to realize how hypocritical you are. Nothing that I said would give the impression that I think Yzerman is a disaster, I’m just stating all the moves he’s made. From a guy who criticizes every single hint of a move by anyone within the Canadiens organization like it’s the end of the world, you give a lot of leeway to everyone else.

    The question isn’t whether dolts in the media think the Lightning are on the path to success, the question is whether they are or not. One this is for sure since the lockout, getting OLDER only works if you’re the Red Wings, and their old players are the calibre of Lidstrom and Rafalski, not Pavel Kubina and Brett Clark.

    There’s absolutely no reason whatsoever for people such as yourself to start worshipping what Yzerman has done. If Pierre Gauthier had made the same moves you’d be foaming at the mouth with the usual bile you spew on this site. Obviously that doesn’t even mean the moves are bad, considering you get all up in arms over everything, but the undeserved praise needs to stop.

  30. Chuck says:

    Sign Price before Halak was traded, and all of a sudden you’re dealing from a position of weakness because not only does everyone know that you have to move a goalie, but they also know which one you have to move.

    Hab brass and Carey’s agent must’ve been reasonably close on terms for a contract to feel confident about trading Halak when they did. The bonus is that they got the players that they targeted in return. They also have to know that signing Carey to a 3-4 year deal at a reasonable cap hit only makes Price even more tradeable should they desire to go down that road before the contract expires.  

  31. Bob Barker says:

    You make it sound as if Gormley, Fowler and Skinner are guaranteed to be better than Brett Connolly. If Connolly becomes the 40+ goal scorer a lot of scouts feel he can become, I doubt people will be questioning the move. 

  32. Bugs says:

    First off, it wasn’t “the French media” that did that to Saku, it was “TWO GUYS from the French media” that did that to Saku, hardy an indictment on the WHOLE industry.

    Furthermore, “appeasing the nationalists” (which is an extreme statement because it implies that all Frenchies in Quebec are nationalists; you should know better and shoulda said ‘appeasing the Frenchies’ instead) is NOT the antithesis of “just win, baby”, I’m sure you agree with this. Unless it is your viewpoint that ‘appeasing the Frenchies’ EQUALS “just lose, baby”? Surely, that can’t be what you’re saying.

    We want winners. Always have. French, English or Chinese, Blake, Richard, Irwin, Beliveau or Bowman, Lafleur, Cournoyer and Roy.

    But at “talent égal”? We should privilege Quebec culture, yes. In all its forms. As we’re doing. As we’ve always done.

    And as we will continue to do because that’s why this team was created. If this sticks goin down, and I see that it does for some folk, there are 29 other teams who aren’t held back by such a mandate and would love to have extra followers, those super champion “only-the-best-not-French” Stanley Cup winners, all of them. They’d love to have you or anyone else who opposes OUR mandate or sees it as a recipe for failure. Bon voyage to them, good luck, and god bless.

    But we keep our 24 Cups. Yeah, they stay with Le Club de hockey canadien.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  33. mike g says:

    Well, if were talking about prospects and the “future”, ATL and CAR have a brighter one than Tampa….

    Those 2 lists have strictly A+ to B- prospects. That’s about 10 in each organization. Tampa has about 2 or 3.

     So if were gonna evaluate the potential and future of each franchise, Tampa’s is lower than those 2 teams. But meanwhile everyone is poppin’ stiffies over the Lightning because of Stevie Y and Boucher.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  34. andrewberkshire says:

    Tony242 would be a huge upgrade of Brian Lawton. That doesn’t say much for Yzerman. I didn’t say anything about whether any of those moves are good or bad, but none of them are innovative in any way, and none of them are sure things. St. Louis is a great player, I love the guy, but 4 years at 5.625 million a year at 36 is INSANITY.

  35. andrewberkshire says:

    Brett Connolly is made of gold leaf, and will fall apart whenever someone so much as breathes on him.

  36. HabFanSince72 says:

    FYI a team doesn’t get cap relief from an injured player.

    Bloody hell. I can’t believe I know that.

  37. PrimeTime says:

    Just giving him a pat on the head.


    “People build teams in certain ways. I’ve always traded for futures – not pasts.” – Sam Pollock

    The reason we are Hab fans http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=1476

  38. HabFanSince72 says:

    Sorry but I don’t see what’s so exciting about either fo these teams, especially the Trash.


  39. TomNickle says:

    Big difference between smart and well spoken.

  40. alestar says:

    1. Yes and yes…the act is old and stale, Cherry has nothing else to say and Ron has spent too much time as Grapes’ straight man he’s outlived his usefulness (if you caught the Bettman interview during last years play-offs, Mclean was absolutely shredded by Bettman…it was embarrasing to watch.)

    2. Pednault

    3. Any game, but I’d be extra happy is its Habs-Bruins, great rivalry.

    4. The Internet would implode due to the sheer volume of retractions required, potentially causing a cataclysmic black hole…

    5. You buddy Tony would end up winning them all the time, he has at least dozen profiles and an unlimited well of hatred for PG & BG


    XXIV…and counting

  41. Bob Barker says:

    Your profile pic is pretty dramatic lol

  42. SLONCOLD says:

    they’re better to “overpay” price than to have him sit out.i think it would be a PR nightmare to have traded halak away only to have price hold out lol. would be pretty funny

  43. PrimeTime says:

    Your a smart kid but yours and many others “youth” show in their posts. Keep ’em coming though!


    “People build teams in certain ways. I’ve always traded for futures – not pasts.” – Sam Pollock

    The reason we are Hab fans http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=1476

  44. TomNickle says:

    I’m fairly certain that Andrew knows who Brett Connolly is.  His point is that drafting a player who refuses a common sports medical exam known as an MRI is likely to be hiding something.  That something, if revealed, probably would cost him a few million dollars in contract negotiations.

    Yzerman passed on Gormley, Fowler, Skinner and Campbell.

    If rebuilding is the goal in Tampa Bay.  Acquiring Gagne, re-signing St.Louis, keeping Lecavalier, bringing back Kubina at the expense of Meszaros and neglecting the importance of having a goaltender like Jack Campbell in your system to fill your biggest weakness down the line is a funny way of doing that.

    If there’s a book on how to rebuild.  Steve Yzerman ripped it up and set fire to it in his first couple of months.

  45. Bob Barker says:

    “A pure offensive talent who can make plays at a high rate of speed.  Can score goals as well as set them up.  He’ll have to show that he can handle the tougher going in the pro game, but a top-flight talent nonetheless.”

    It’s not like he went off-the-board. Hall, Seguin, Connolly and Skinner were the best offensive talents of the draft. It’s definitely a risk-reward scenario, but they obviously felt that the potential reward was worth it. Time will tell if it was the right move. 

  46. Tremblant Habs Fan says:

    1. 10 years ago and a big YES!

    2. Jean-Charles Lajoie(That would be funny)

    3. Ducks-Welcome back Saku!

    4. Don’t know who he is.

    5. That’s a great idea!

  47. Dintrox says:

    Not sure why everybody seems to have their panties in a knot over Carey Price. If Price wants too much there are still a couple goalies available UFAs who would sign short term cheap contracts for a chance to play.

    December 4, 2009 – Elmer Lach’s jersey took its rightful place with the Rocket’s in the rafters.

  48. JasonM says:

    It’s getting progressively harder to ignore the fact that Price hasn’t signed yet. The days go by… and in a month, summer camp starts. I really hope we don’t have an issue signing him or that he’s going to get real greedy. Halak is gone, the decision (albeit hasty) has been made long ago.

    Thanks for the video of Game 7. Great times. What a game!

  49. TripleX says:


    Yzerman has had one summer as GM and you are declaring him a disaster?  Like PG he has to first assess the hand he was dealt and move from there.  Past management and coaching in Tampa were awful so he and Boucher have a lot of work to do.  Give them some time dude.

    The point is that many are confident that the Lightning are on the right path to success.  Excellence always starts at the top, great teams have great ownership and management.  I imagine Yzerman wants to ice a respectable team next season and that probably requires holding on to some older players until the youth is ready to take over.  Simon Gagne is a risk but they gave up a fringe player and a fourth rounder for him, great deal for a two time 40 goal scorer.

    If the Lightning just make the playoffs that is a huge win for them.


    “And I am really looking forward to watching Michael Cammalleri in the NHL. He had an awesome year in the AHL.” PIERRE McGUIRE

  50. ZepFan2 says:

    1- Now. No.

    2- Chantal Machabee

    3- The Lightning

    4- Pass

    5- This season…hopefully.


    After admiring the Stanley Cup: “This is the only thing that has seen more parties than us.”
    – Steven Tyler

  51. TomNickle says:

    1. Five years ago and YES.

    2. Guy Carbonneau, the guy they already have.

    3. Home opener.

    4. I have no use for Eklund, not even laughter.  He’s pathetic and I’m hopeful that an NHL organization or player will file a lawsuit against him.

    5. Who knows.  They should do a feature where a poster gets rewarded by getting access to the press area with Boone, Stubbs or Hickey for a morning practice, pre game skate and a game.  That would be much better than just game tickets.

  52. Bob Barker says:

    I wouldn’t call them great and innovative, but you make it sound like they’re bad moves. 

    Martin St-Louis led all right-wingers last year with 94 points. He hasn’t shown signs of slowing down yet. 

    Kubina at 3.85 is not a large cap hit for a 40-45 point d-man. His point-shot is just as good as Foster’s and he’s better all around. Hedman will likely play a bigger role on the PP this year as well. 

    Acquiring Gagne for a bag of pucks with one-year left on his contract is a no-risk move. This was probably Yzerman’s best move. Having Stamkos-St Louis and then Lecavalier-Gagne gives TB one of the best top-six units in the league. 

    Ellis/Smith is not a great tandem but both are capable of providing decent goaltending. Which is all they’ll need because they will probably score a lot of goals. 

    I think one thing everyone can agree on is Yzerman is a huge upgrade over Brian Lawton. 




  53. PrimeTime says:

    Predictable – YES. Sad – NO. Everyone has their own perspective and subsequent opinions. Some agree and some disagree. Such is the world. But for anyone to proclaim they are absolutely correct is just ignorant and arrogant.

    So, you like what Tampa has done….good for you. You’ve b*tched about any and everything the Habs have done since you joined this site. To state “excellence” or failure before a puck is dropped is a little bold and very short sighted. Most people take the wait and see approach before making judgements. New blood always promises new thoughts but it’s no substitute for experience. Stevie Y is a leader and a champion….he will do his best to succeed and probably will do well enough to gain that experience. But he would never proclaim his ideas are better than anyone else’s. Hiring Boucher was not an original thought as I believe Boucher was pretty much near the top of every GM’s list who was looking for a new coach. Good on Stevie for getting him but they havent won anything yet. Taking a bad club and making it better is not genius worthy. Hell, I think nearly every GM has done that at some point in their career and if not they would be selling Life Insurance by now. Let’s not forget who hired Boucher to the Dogs and gave him a good team to work with…..he wasn’t exactly a found needle in the haystack that Stevie Y found. And any of the new player signings he has made are all debatable under proven otherwise.

    To jump to conclusions is equally naive no matter which direction one chooses.



    “People build teams in certain ways. I’ve always traded for futures – not pasts.” – Sam Pollock

    The reason we are Hab fans http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=1476

  54. ZepFan2 says:

    That may be so, Bugs. But the team then (since you’re talking inception) had Irvin, Blake and Bowman. They also had a mix of players who wore the C without feeling the wrath of the media (not the fans) to speak French.

    What the media (not the fans) did to Saku leaves a sour taste in my mouth to this day.

    Was the, Le Club de hockey canadien, created for the Francophone people or was it to create a winning hockey team regardless who spoke what language.

    I mean, isn’t the bottom line to, “just win, baby!”, or is it to appease Nationalists?


    After admiring the Stanley Cup: “This is the only thing that has seen more parties than us.”
    – Steven Tyler

  55. Dintrox says:

    Brett Connolly as a 16 year old he led his team in points. The most points in the dub by a 16 year old since Patrick Marleau.  This past season was a write off due to a hip injury. Despite not playing very much he was still ranked in the top five North American skaters on NHL central scouting and #13 on ISS list. He may be a risky pick but has huge upside. Not an orthodox pick but not way out in left  field like Sather’s pick 4 slots later.

    December 4, 2009 – Elmer Lach’s jersey took its rightful place with the Rocket’s in the rafters.

  56. TomNickle says:

    They might go back to last place next season.

    They are really gonna miss Lombardi and Michalek.

    Wolski is a nice player, and I like that trade from their perspective, but relying on Hanzal and Turris to be your top two centreman is a huge gamble.

    They’ll need Bryzgalov to play like a Vezina candidate again to be a playoff team.

    BTW, how come no hate for Burkie after Bryzgalov’s season.  Looks like he made the wrong choice going with Hiller and Giguere over Bryzgalov.

  57. avatar_58 says:


    Back to work…

  58. Mr. Biter says:

    Post this on the day JH was traded. Short version PG should have signed CP before JH was traded.THen CP had no real bargining power and the Habs held the cards. If he had done that he was a very smart GM if not he was “the Village Idiot”. Unfortunatly the latter seems more appropiate.

    P/S Never blame a player or his agent for a salary increase. For the posters out there who work, how many of you go to your boss’s office to negotiate a decrease in your salary?



  59. SmartDog says:


    1. When should Don Cherry retire?  Should Ron go with him?

    2. Which French-Canadian broadcaster should be on HNIC?

    3. Which Habs home game would you most like good seats for?

    4. If Eklund put retractions on his site, would there be room for anything else?

    5. When is HIO going to reward frequent posters with good tickets to a game?


    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  60. andrewberkshire says:

    Spot on, especially about Phoenix. It bothered me all year when people kept saying that Phoenix’s GM was the best in the NHL last year, when all he did was give up on his youth and replace them with veteran players. Hardly a sound strategy for a competitive team going forward.

  61. TomNickle says:

    I would honestly be more excited as a fan of the Thrashers or Hurricanes than I would be as a fan of the Lightning.

    Thrashers                                 Hurricanes

    Andrew Ladd                     Eric Staal

    Dustin Byfuglien                Brandon Sutter

    Evander Kane                   Jamie McBain

    Bryan Little                       Jiri Tlusty

    Nicklas Bergfors                Cam Ward

    Tobias Entstrom                Drayson Bowman

    Zach Bogosian                  Jeff Skinner

    Patrice Cormier                 Zach Boychuk

    Ondrej Pavelec                  Riley Nash

    Carl Klingberg                   Bobby Sanguinetti

    Angelo Esposito                Jussi Jokinen


  62. avatar_58 says:

    HNIC isn’t the only one doing this. TSN does it too with hodgemail and the like. Hell they have fantasy nonsense up on the website as if anyone cares. Both of them need some work done in this regard, because I agree it has no place on a pro sports network.

  63. Mr. Biter says:

    Toughest guy left is Asham and at $.6 Mil. (126 PIMS) not a bad and cheap choice.

  64. Storm Man says:

    Sounds like your a little sore from 1995 Rabbit the referendum must be on your mind still. BTW if Tampa did move to Quebec City alot of so called Habs fans would jump ship. The french player factor would be a big part of it. Who was the last superstar french player we had???? Oh yah he was run out of town and traded by a french coach and french GM and french owner. I hope you have a better Monday Bugs Levesque.

  65. TomNickle says:

    And left Gormley, Fowler, Skinner and Jack Campbell on the board for other teams to steal.

  66. TomNickle says:

    The thing about St.Louis is that he doesn’t have the same miles on his tires that others do for his age.  But due to recovery time for injuries and his size, it’s definitely a gamble.

    I think they downgrade by going from Meszaros to Kubina, but that’s just my opinion.  They have a lot of perceived depth on the bluline as far as prospects go, but I wouldn’t write home about it considering Lashoff, Smaby, Mihalik and Hedman may not to turn out to be productive NHLers let alone superstars.

    I’d much rather have Yemelin, Tinordi, Subban, Weber, Carle, Ellis and Bennett, that’s for sure.

    When people want to talk about up and coming franchises.  They should focus their attention on teams like Colorado, Carolina, Boston and Los Angeles.

    Not Tampa, Edmonton and Phoenix.

    The former draft ridiculously well and develop ridiculously well.  The Lightning, Oilers and Coyotes do none of the two well.

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