NHL cancels more games and All-Star Weekend

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The National Hockey League announced Friday afternoon the cancellation of  regular-season games through December 14 as a result of the lockout.

The NHL also announced the cancellation of the 2013 All-Star Weekend scheduled for Jan. 26-27 in Columbus, Ohio.  A total of 422 regular-season games – 34.3 per cent of the season – were scheduled for Oct. 11 through Dec. 14.

“The reality of losing more regular-season games as well as the 2013 NHL All-Star Weekend in Columbus is extremely disappointing,” NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly said in a statement. “We feel badly for NHL fans and particularly those in Columbus, and we intend to work closely with the Blue Jackets organization to return the NHL all-star events to Columbus and their fans as quickly as possible.”

Don Fehr, executive director of the NHLPA, released the following statement:

“On Wednesday, the players presented a comprehensive proposal, once again moving in the owners’ direction in order to get the game back on the ice. The gap that remains on the core economic issues is $182 million. On Wednesday, NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman said that the league is losing $18-20 million per day during the lockout, therefore two more weeks of cancelled games far exceeds the current economic gap. It makes the NHL’s announcement of further game cancellations, including the 2013 All-Star Weekend, all the more unnecessary, and disappointing for all hockey fans – especially those in Columbus. The players remain ready to negotiate but we require a willing negotiating partner.”

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Meanwhile, Hockey Night in Canada’s Don Cherry wrote a column about the lockout for the Toronto Star that was published on Friday under the headline: “Don Cherry to players: Smarten up!” You can read the column by clicking here.

(Photo by Graham Hughes/The Canadian Press)

103 Comments

  1. Spartan117 says:

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    RDS is going to start broadcasting international Cricket matches in January.

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    http://www.cbc.ca/quebecam/2012/11/22/cricket-coming-to-rds-sports-network-in-january/

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  4. HabFab says:

    The Bulldogs could be homeless…they will probably be playing in Montreal next season anyway by the looks of it.
    http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/841518–ohl-team-takes-aim-at-copps-may-oust-bulldogs

  5. Ian Cobb says:

    I don’t agree with Don Cherry very often, but he is right in calling the players out this time around.!
    One of the comments was, Blow up the NHL and start over with fewer teams. There will be fewer players and fewer teams to be anchors on the rest of the teams that survive.
    Whose big idea was it to expand into palm tree country anyway?

  6. jols101 says:

    WJC just around the corner. The best time of the Year. Super excited. F@ck the NHL.
    Quick questions about the WJC. I usually just tune in on Boxing Day and watch from the beginning to end, it is a yearly ritual. But do the Teams get together before the Tourny starts? Do they have any exhibition games? When do the players leave their Junior or University teams to get together? TX.

    • commandant says:

      For Canada, there will be a training camp in early december, exhibition games, team building and a number of other things.

      Other countries do similar (but not exactly the same) things.

      Go Habs Go!
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      • jols101 says:

        Tx commandant, so they do have exhibition games. Are those usually televised?

        I’m as proud a Canadian fan as they come but for the first time I am more interested in the U.S team. I will still be cheering for our Canadian kids but I have become a Galchenyuk stalker. I love this guy and can’t believe he is in the Habs system. It has been way too long since we had a kid with this type of upside in our prospects pool.

  7. Habfan10912 says:

    Today my 11 year old Grandson asked “Pop, when are we going to Montreal for our hockey trip?”.
    So I explained that it doesn’t look like there us going to be any trip this year as there is a work stopage.
    But not to worry. Our fishing trip is all booked
    There will still be a boat, water and lots of fish to catch.
    Was he dusappointed? Yeah, sure. Me? Just pissed.
    My rants are over for the day. Good night all.
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  8. Habfan10912 says:

    Right now I’m so gosh darn angry I hope they fold the friggin Union AND the friggin league. Bush league management on both sides.
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  9. mark-ID says:

    Someone I thought mentioned that if the union folds….that every player becomes a free agent again? Is this correct?

    “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

    • commandant says:

      Assuming that the players win the anti-trust case, they could be free agents when their contracts are up, pure unrestricteds, no RFAs, arbitration, etc…

      Also undrafted players are now free agents, no draft.

      If the NHL tries to put in a salary cap, do escrow, or have paycuts of any kind… Free Agents all of them, Potentially.

      The thing with the anti-trust lawsuit is no one knows how the court will rule. Its a huge risk to both sides and hence they will want to avoid it and do a deal. (if they follow the NBA/NFL anyway).

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      • Habfan10912 says:

        Yeah and then the owners can cease operations and on and on and on and on…….

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      • HabFab says:

        And then the league sets salary cap and all the rules they want for contracts, drafting etc without input from the players.

        • commandant says:

          League does that, and they are defending a COLLUSION suit and the players declare Breach of Contract, and all of them become UFAs.

          Thats the absolute worst legal strategy the league can take.

          The best (assuming they choose not to settle), keep the lockout going, fight it in court but drag it out as long as possible, and hope the PA cracks.

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          • HabFab says:

            Not after a successful de-certification. For every smart lawyer there is a law firm across town waiting to counter.

          • commandant says:

            You can’t put in a salary cap without a union agreeing to it in a CBA.

            There are a lot of questions about the whole anti-trust, decertification process… no doubt about it.

            This isn’t one of them.

            Owners working together to unilaterally decide to institute a system to depress salaries is collusion. The MLBPA proved that in the 80s.

            Each team has to set their own individual budget, they can’t work together. The damages for this are huge.

            Even without a union, you can’t participate in collusion, thats a clear violation of anti-trust laws.

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  10. twilighthours says:

    This union-folding talk is the first interesting development of this lockout.

  11. Kooch7800 says:

    People watch the all star game….

  12. HabsFanMTL says:

    i say after bettman is canned, that the owners should get together and hire the next commish and have him paid on a “get a deal done” contract. Thus if a season is cancelled in whole or in part Commish gets no pay at all

    • The Jackal says:

      You realize Bettman does the owners’ bidding, so when they hire the next guy he will still do that. The owners want the lockout, Bettman just enacts their wishes.

      Not all oysters produce pearls, thankfully, Price is a pearl producing oyster.

  13. HabsFanMTL says:

    btw when does the World Juniors start?

  14. HabinBurlington says:

    If memory serves me correct, when the NFL union decertified the courts essentially shot them down, saying you guys are using this as a sham, as you will recertify as soon as you have an agreement.

    It is critical which state or province the court case is held in as certain places are more favourable to either side.

    • Mike D says:

      It would have to be in the U.S. – this could not be filed in Canada as there are more U.S.-based teams. You’re correct though that some states favour employees more than others. Minnesota and New York are two of them.

      The below addresses the first part of your post and is from an article I linked lower in this thread:

      NFL 2011:

      There is a perception the players failed in this attempt, because they lost in court.

      “Did they fail? Yes and no,” Feldman said.

      Again, the NFLPA began the decertification process. Ten players — led by some guys even your dog has heard of (Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees) — filed the antitrust suit.

      They went after two things. First, the lockout was illegal and causing irreparable harm, so they deserved treble damages. Second, they wanted an injunction immediately ending the stoppage.

      The battleground became the second part of that equation. On April 25, the players won their injunction, but another court gave the NFL a temporary stay (or “block,” for all of us non-lawyers) four days later. The league won the final appeal on July 8.

      It took 22 days for an official agreement after that happened. So the players did lose part two of their lawsuit. But part one? The real biggie? It never got that far.

      “The courts never discussed if the lockout was illegal or not,” said Feldman. “We never got any legal decision. So the uncertainty continues to go both ways. It can be argued to support the owners or the players… Not as complete a victory as many believe it to be.”

      - Honestly yours
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    • commandant says:

      They failed on some temporary injunctions…. things never got far enough to say they “failed at trial” no one knows what will happen at trial.

      The reasoning wasn’t really what you said it was. It was about the funny US labour laws.

      Also the motions were held in the 8th circuit (New York and other Eastern states). They would not be considered binding precedents over the 9th circuit court (California, Arizona and others). There would be a battle over which court would here the NHLPA’s motion.

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  15. HabsFanMTL says:

    i’m not for the owners side or Bettman and frankly i’m not for the players side but tell me this. The argument that the players are spoiled and lots say they should just have accepted the latest offer by the NHL long ago…..then i have to ask myself this question. Whats the point of having a Union? if the players are so called spoiled and should be thanking thier lucky stars to earn the millions they do get. If they should just accept Bettmans proposals every time the CBA comes around then who needs a union head? whats the point? in the end the owners will always come out the winner cause they are billionaires so sounds very bleak for an NHL players union, perhaps descertification is the only answer to stop this BETTMAN madness?

  16. HabFanSince72 says:

    “Don Cherry to players: Smarten up!” You can read the column by clicking here.

    Why would I want to do that?


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  17. shiram says:

    Bolland re-tweeted something about wanting Bettman dead, the tweet is deleted now, but come on really? Get those guys playing before they continue to embarrass themselves.

  18. L Elle says:

    I’m seriously ready to sit out this season, even next, if, once and for all they settle this “forever”, culminating with a lot of rolling heads.

    It is becoming a Hatfield/McCoy feud. It’s supposed to be about money boys, not ego.

  19. frontenac1 says:

    NHL? F*ck it! World Juniors coming up Amigos!

    • The Jackal says:

      Thank you for reminding me of that! I actually am looking forward to some hockey now!

      Not all oysters produce pearls, thankfully, Price is a pearl producing oyster.

  20. Mr. Biter says:

    Silly Question. Why doesn’t Fehr take the NHL’s offer to the players for a vote? If it’s so bad they’ll reject it if not 50% +1 accept it and we have hockey. Fehr’s got no “Balls” if he doesnt let the players vote on the current offer.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

    • commandant says:

      There are 700 player plus conference calls every week.

      If there was any push for a vote outside of a small minority, it probably would be done.

      I’m guessing that there isn’t much push back. Perhaps Hamrlik would know the feelings of the majority of the players if he ever bothered to participate in just 1 of these calls.

      As the Wall Street Journal said yesterday…. Fehr has always kept his constituents (in his baseball days) UBER-Informed, and always had the pulse of the majority of the union. When the union wanted to play hardball he followed their instructions, whent they wanted to be more moderate he did that too.

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      • HabinBurlington says:

        You have to be careful with the assumptions Ben, given the reaction Cole gave to Hamrlik players may not want to be the one who speaks out. A vote done with anonymity could provide surprising results.

        • Ron says:

          I had been involved in Union disputes for most of all my working life before retirement and Burly you are on track with that statement. I have been in Union meetings as a President as well as just a member where contract talks and votes were taken and believe me the show of hands type vote as name called was drastically different than those of secret ballot. The secret ballot will always win out between the two. People do not want to be seen as the ones caving. In the case of a secret NHLPA one I think it would be very close but a vote to decert would win out here I think. If it does come to a decert vote then I hope the players can do it anonymity though.

        • GrimJim says:

          Peter Maher, the NHL inside on Calgary sports radio, say that he was talking to an NHL player who was in on the conference call wed night and the player believes that decertification isn’t the way to go but given the tone of the call, the player was n’t comfortable voicing that opinion at that time.

      • Le Gros Bill says:

        Commandant,

        I’ve been reading your posts thoughout this lockout and I can’t help but feel that you are acting as an NHLPA shill.

        Hope I’m wrong.

        • commandant says:

          I just call it as i see it. In this lockout, I’ve been more upset with the owners.

          Last time, I was more upset with the players.

          Overall, anyway. Doesn’t mean everything the PA has done is right though.

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  21. L Elle says:

    Another hostage has been killed. Yeah, they reeaallyy mean it. *rolls eyes*

  22. habsfan0 says:

    If NHLPA decertifies, is there a length of time that must pass before they can recertify?

    • Mike D says:

      I don’t believe so, but I’m not 100% sure.

      The best example to use is the NBA last year. Their PA decertified and two weeks later a new CBA was agreed to with the condition the players re-certify.

      - Honestly yours
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      • habsfan0 says:

        If that’s the case, then it’s a loophole in labour laws and should be viewed as such by the courts. IMHO, if a professional sport players association decides to take the drastic step of decertifying their union, they should not be permitted to recertify for a minimum period of time,say 3 years. This will remove decertification as a bargaining ploy in future disputes.

        • Mike D says:

          These laws exist for the entire population, not specifically for professional leagues and players. Considering how quickly the economy and market can change, not to mention the working conditions of a particular business/company, it wouldn’t be beneficial to lock a group of employees into either being unionized or not for a set amount of time.

          With regards to the NHL lockout, decertification is about the only thing that might give the players any leverage in this negotiation. The owners have the majority of the power and leverage and they know it. That is why they haven’t made any real concessions to the players despite what they’re asking the players to concede to them.

          This “bargaining ploy” as you call it, might be what gets the game back on the ice.

          - Honestly yours
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          • habsfan0 says:

            I agree with you. ANY and ALL unions that vote to decertify should not be permitted to recertify for a minimum period of time. Otherwise, the entire process can easily be made a mockery of. For instance, if a union makes it standard practice of negotiating a new collective bargaining agreement every year(for whatever reason) what is to prevent them from decertifying and recertifying as a bargaining tactic once a new agreement is in place?

          • Mike D says:

            Unless I’m missing something, I think you may have mis-read my previous post – hence you would DISagree with me.

            My opinion is that a group of employees SHOULD have the right to certify or decertify as a union as they see fit. If they choose to decertify I feel they should have the right to recertify as quickly and whenever they see fit.

            - Honestly yours
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          • habsfan0 says:

            My apologies for not being clear in my previous post. What I meant to say was that I agree with you insofar as banning unions that decertify from recertifying for a certain period of time is a law that should be applicable to all unions, not just professional sports league players associations. However,as I understand it, you do not agree that this law should be enacted re: ANY union, and is something that you and I agree to disagree on.

          • Mike D says:

            No apologies necessary my friend. Respectful discussions and debates are what make this site awesome.

            - Honestly yours
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          • habsfan0 says:

            THAT is something I heartily concur with!

            Cheers!

        • commandant says:

          Simple loophole here.

          The NHLPA decertifies under Donald Fehr.

          Two weeks later the NHLPU (NHL Players Union) is created with leader Steve Fehr.

          You’d never pass a law that would in effect forbid all unions from decertifying and recertifying to change their leadership. It would be far too restrictive for every union out there, and the abuses that could happen at the union level across all industries far too severe.

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  23. shiram says:

    So after this lockout is resolved, will anyone feel any guilt in buying a fake jersey instead of paying 400$ for official one?

  24. Newf_Habster says:

    Actually I do not care about NHL All-Star games and skills competition except hardest shot event, cuz they are boring to me lately.

    What interests me most is to see our beloved Habs play again and then win the Cup!

    • SmartDog says:

      The whole thing’s a snoozefest. And who wants to watch that Goon Chara demonstrate that he’s strong like bull, when he’s also smart like dumptruck.

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  25. mrhabby says:

    Gee…..and i had the Allstar game on my to see list…iam really gonna miss that one.

    • habsfan0 says:

      Apparently, the citizens of Columbus are in an uproar over losing the All Star game. Mass demonstrations are planned in the streets which will definitely tie up traffic for hours. Rumours of the National Guard being called in to quell civil unrest are circulating. I had no idea citizens of Columbus,Ohio were so passionate about their hockey.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Actually the only thing people care about in Columbus right now is the Undefeated Buckeyes versus Michigan tomorrow at the Horseshoe in Columbus. There will be police on horseback out and lots of other police. The game is complete madness in Columbus and is a great event.

        THis was the perfect time to announce cancellation of AllStar game, it will be completely lost in the noise of the football game this weekend.

        Not that Bettman would be so calculated as to purposely wait until the eve of this big game to make the announcement, he isn’t that much of a prick is he?

        • Mr. Biter says:

          To bad Ohio State is Bowl inelligable this year. Notre Dame vs. Ohio State (if both win tomorrow) would have been a great way to close the college football season at the national championship.

          Mr. Biter
          No Guts No Glory

  26. bleedhabs81 says:

    they just wrecked the day for about 122 people in columbus.

    Drown your sorrows with dried left over turkey and congealed gravy!

  27. commandant says:

    Bettman and Daly saying if the union de-certifies, the whole season will be cancelled.

    They are actually scared of the decertification (and should be). Don’t get me wrong, the players are to be scared of decertification too. I cant emphasize enough what a HUGE gamble to go to court this would be, and the very foundation of this league as we know it would be on the line.

    The loser (the PA or the owners) would pay a STEEP price, and no one really knows who would win at the end.

    Which is why it will force both sides to settle if the PA actually plays the card.

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    • Timo says:

      So what does it mean if the union decertifies. Can you enlighten an average joe like myself please?

      • SmartDog says:

        It’s an A-bomb. The CBA becomes irrelevant which means that players contracts all stand up as individual agreements and there is no ‘lock-out’. The end result would probably be everyone loses, more time, more money – but the owners would also lose big time because they would be tied into their contracts with no roll-back, no ‘make whole’ problem, they would just be paying through the nose. Wilderness. Dogs and cats living together – aliens coming down from the sky.

        It would be a real mess. The whole thing would need to be redrawn. The owners must fear this. Fehr is using it as a threat and it may be the only thing he’s got.

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        • Mike D says:

          In addition to this, I believe that teams are forced to pay their players (who have contracts) as long as they ‘show up’. For the Habs, everyone except Subban has a contract. It’s one thing for the owners to have empty arenas while NOT paying the players, but imagine having empty arenas and HAVING to pay the players their full salary?

          That’s one of the reasons why, historically, de-certifying expedites a deal getting done between the two sides.

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      • HabinBurlington says:

        I asked the same question on last thread Timo, Ben and a few others gave good explanations and links to stories describing it. Informative stuff.

      • knob says:

        -lock-out would cease;
        -doors would be open to contracted players and hockey would have to be played or players sue for damages;
        -no draft, as it is illegal;
        -every non-contracted player is an UFA, including PK!!;
        -draft eligible players like Nathan McKinnon are free agents;
        -no cap, minimum salary, arbitration, or escrow
        -20+/- bankrupt teams
        -darwin’s theory in full force – adaptation and survival of the fittest

        ef this

        • commandant says:

          20 bankrupt teams is VERY QUESTIONABLE

          The main point though is you never get to the Anti-Trust lawsuit that makes all those theoreticals you posted a reality. The NBA improved their offers significantly and settled 14 days after the decertification of their union. The NFL never missed a game after that decertification.

          Neither side wants a trial on the anti-trust issue.

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          • HabinBurlington says:

            Is Gary’s ego big enough that he thinks he wins the AntiTrust suits in court and beats the pulp out of the players in this scenario? I can just imagine him getting all excited about this. Of course i can also see Fehr getting a goofy grin on his face as he gets ready to press the WMD button that is Decertification.

          • knob says:

            the anti-trust lawsuits would be a judicial decision and contingent at best (that is why I didn’t mention it).

            I agree that 20 bankrupt teams may be a stretch. However, give consideration to the number of teams that could be considered insolvent and/or rely on profit sharing-those teams would fold; then consider teams like the Rangers, Leafs, Canadiens (hopefully) that have deep pockets. These teams would have pick of the litter and sign anyone they wanted!! Your middle of the road teams would become the KC Royals of the NHL…how long would they really last.

            ef this

          • commandant says:

            The lockout wouldn’t be illegal, the moment the players decertify… it would need a motion or an injunction to declare it illegal first. So all those processes would take time, and it wouldn’t be like we were declaring PK Subban or Jamie Benn to be UFAs tomorrow… or allowing an NHL team to sign Nathan MacKinnon tomorrow either.

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    • Sakukoivumc11 says:

      I am getting tired of these releases by the NHL !! They locked out the players so please stop trying to blame the players for the cancellation of games. I hope they decertify, quickly, and the NHL pays dearly !!

      In a perfect world the NHL should agree to the last round of squabbling and accept the 393 million or whatever the number is, seeing that Bettman said they are losing 18-20 million per day. Agree and let’s move on before the damage is beyond repair!!

      I am getting tired of this shit and believe it or not I am finding other things to do with my evenings!

      paolo merenda

    • Blondie says:

      It’s certainly very interesting. After the last lockout the payoff for the fans was a changed game with new rules and, for a while anyway, faster, more free flowing play. There won’t be any of that this time around.

      But if the union is decertified *and* they all try to make a go of it, it would be a whole new ballgame (puckgame?).

      We’d all have to learn brand new armchair GMing strategies.

    • Propwash says:

      Is decertification in the works or is it just speculation at this point?

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      • Blondie says:

        I think it’s just speculation but I don’t know if Fehr has any other cards to play.

      • Mike D says:

        Speculation technically, but when Steve Fehr was asked earlier today about it his response was basically that all options are on the table.

        Considering the NFL’s and NBA’s player associations began the decertification process last year when their CBA’s expired, you can be sure the Fehrs made a mental note of what went down. The same goes for Bettman and Daly.

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  28. doogie says:

    Reading an apologetic quote from Bill Daly makes me feel so much better!

  29. shiram says:

    First.
    I feel so empty now.


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