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And those fracking Bruins have the ninth overall pick.
Meanwhile, Vancouver cleans up.

Hockey’s Future on the Canadiens draft

Red Fisher on the finals

Cam Cole weighs in

Love among the ruins

What went wrong in Vancouver?

Ken Dryden’s take

Bruce Arthur on the rioters

Bunch of idjits

444 Comments

  1. JohnBellyful says:

    In reply to a response to an observation made after reading a comment posted earlier, referring to Bobby Orr’s Stanley Cup moment, let me say this: Boolyockmanunomono.
    I, uh … have no idea what that means, to be honest. Sometimes my Acme Riposte Generator screws up.
    Okay, I’ll try it the old-fashioned way. The first poster referred to the conclusion of that play as a dive, a term I simply repeated without putting quotation marks around. It wasn’t a dive. Bruins don’t dive. But this is especially true in this case. Monsieur Orr went airborne with Noel Picard’s stick providing liftoff.
    To the poster who took me to task, I agree, Bobby O was horizontal with joy so I guess that’s why that moment has been frozen in time. But for sheer drama, I have to believe, his OT goal is far less exciting than a great many other Stanley Cup moments, that are never shown, while one that’s far less deserving of remembrance is shown ad nauseam.
    IMEO

    (In My Exalted Opinion)

    TJMT

    (That’s Just Me Talking)

  2. lukas-joshua says:

    Thanks so much for your help secretdragonfly

  3. SeriousFan09 says:

    Brendan Gallagher and Michael Bournival have been invited to Canada’s WJC Summer Camp. As to be expected, Gallager attended both camps last year, Bournival made the second camp.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  4. lukas-joshua says:

    I have a question for you all

    My wife and I have booked a trip to Montreal in October. It’s always been a dream of mine to Watch the Habs on home ice. We live in B.C, and only get 2 see them in Edmonton. I was wondering if anyone had any idea when tickets go on sale for next season?? Or is there a way that I could pre order some tickets???

    • secretdragonfly says:

      If you go to ebay or stubhub you can likely get tickets from season ticket holders as soon as the NHL schedule is released. If you want to take your chances on getting the tickets for the general populace, they usually go on sale second or third week of September.

      Just an FYI, there isn’t a bad seat in the Bell Centre and there is really nothing like it in terms of atmosphere.

  5. Neutral says:

    The NHL is for skilled players not head hunters and goons that’s why the best hockey player in the world may never return.

  6. Ian Cobb says:

    SUMMIT INFORMATION–

    Be ready to send me a money order for game seats as soon as the club notifies me at the end of July, as to price and sections available. Are you interested in better, but more expensive seats as well. Our HIO group is being given preferential treatment. We have a choice of how many seats and in better sections if we want them. Let me know.

    Every one is welcome to this years HIO Summit in Montreal, bring the whole family and meet your fellow HIO family members this year.

    I received two letters pertaining to our Annual Hockey Inside Out Fan Weekend Summit. One from Anna Gainey thanking us for our donation of $1200 again this past year to the Gainey Children’s Foundation. Hockey Inside Out Hab Fans have now raised over $5000 in total for this charity. We are a very generous group!

    I also received a letter from Reg Houle thanking us for our continued support. And that he will see us all at next years Summit

    And below I received a letter reminding us that the dates for our next years Summit will be out at the end of July. I will pick the best dates that gives us a game Friday at Hurley’s and Saturday at the Bell Center.
    (give me your suggestions, early in the season or later ?)

    So pay attention to the site so you do not miss out on 2012 Summit tickets that have to be paid and ordered well in advance.
    Some disappointed HIO people missed out on tickets last year because they were on summer vacation when we collected for the tickets and ordered them.

    I will repost this a few more times so more people will be informed.

    Dear Mr. Cobb,

    On behalf of the entire Canadiens organization, I would like to thank you for your support during this past hockey season. Gathering a group of fans for a game at the Bell Centre requires a lot of time on the part of the group organizer. To that end, your involvement is greatly appreciated.

    Though our playoff run was unfortunately too short, it was nevertheless exciting from start to finish. Pierre Gauthier and his team are already planning for next season and we feel we can build on a solid core of promising young players and talented veterans.

    At the end of July, we will forward to you the official home game calendar for the 2011-12 season and all the details regarding group sales and our ice rental programs. The information will also be available at the same time on our Web site, canadiens.com.

    I would like to take this opportunity to wish you a great summer – I’m looking forward to seeing you in September. Until then, please do not hesitate to communicate with me or our group sales team.

    Regards,
    Pierre Constant
    Director, Group Sales
    Club de hockey Canadien

  7. 25 cups says:

    I wanna talk about the Edmonton Oilers, lot’s of young talent, another #1 pick this year. But they need something to put them over the top to contend. What they need is a veteran who brings leadership and intangibles, someone who is sooo charismatic that having him on your team makes every UFA in the league want to come there… we have anybody like that we’d be willing to part with?

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      No. I don’t think we have anybody like that, but then I think Crosby and maybe Ovechkin are the only guys like that in the league. I agree with your opinion that the Oilers need something more than just “young talent”. I think they’d be wise to trade that #1 in a package for someone like Shea Weber, but maybe they think they can draft that type of player.

      * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

      • savethepuck says:

        I think his comment is an attempt to suggest we unload Gomez on them.

        “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

        • Sean Bonjovi says:

          See.. I’m so discouraged and pessimistic now that obvious Gomez joke fly right over my head.

          * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

          • 25 cups says:

            HAHA! yeah that was just a little tongue in cheek humour there… But I do think everything said was true…

  8. ABHabsfan says:

    A lot of comments these days about how the Habs need guys like Rupp ( can barely skate) or McIntyre ( can’t even crack the line-up on the worst team in the league) in order to compete with the Baaad Bruins. Well we actually compete quite well the way the team is, winning the over-all season series 7-6. If not for a deflection off Halpern in OT, ( great goal Horton, it would have missed the net) or a ball-hockey glove save from Ryder, or leting them back in the game in game #3; these play-offs would have been drastically different. Of course, if your aunt had balls she would be your uncle. However, the Habs compete quite well right now vs the Bruins because they are MUCH faster and more skilled. Adding meat-heads will not improve our Habs, it will weaken them. Tough guys who can skate and pass and kill penalties, they would make our team better. Talbot or Dupuis from Pitt would be good additions. Joel Ward is another. Steve Ott from Dal would be perfect. But no Meat-Heads! Oh, and no 39-yr-old Czechs with all-world mullets either, thanks

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      I see Joel Ward as an interesting addition, as well as Dupuis. Talbot had the same scoring ability as Travis Moen, so i’d pass on him.

      I also agree that the Habs are VERY close to being a better team than the B’s.. Markov and Georges away from being better?

      My issue is with the behavior of the B’s “rats” when they play Mtl.. rats include Marchand. Lucic, Peverly..etc. we had the guys to keep the “rats” in line with Moen, Wiz, White, PK, Gill. What we are missing is a player that can keep up with Thornton and Chara and be able to destroy Lucic. This takes the load off of our middle-wieghts that get pummeled by the Boston heavy Wieghts (Chara, Lucic, and Thornton) Chara POUNDED Pouliot before, nothing happened, Lucic suckers a couple guys every single game, nothing happens, Thornton I dont mind so much.

      I’d just like to see our players protected a little bit.

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        “I see Joel Ward as an interesting addition, as well as Dupuis. Talbot had the same scoring ability as Travis Moen, so i’d pass on him.” That is exactly my opinion on those players.

        I don’t think PG will do anything though. I think the 3rd line will be Pouliot – Eller – Darche. 4th = Moen and DD with a White/Tom Pyatt platoon. Maybe Pyatt plays against the left-handed goalies or something. I agree with AB about about slow guys with no hands. Guys like that won’t make the team better IMO.

        P.S. guys like Chara, Lucic, and Thornton fight and maim, but they’re also effective hockey players. One of them is a great hockey player. I’d take tough guys if they can play, just no Cam Janssens

        * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

      • Jim Edson says:

        Best way to keep Luchicken under control is to stay face to face!

        He never starts anything from a frontal position only from behind!

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        …..My empire is crumbling, my international sponsors are deserting me, my authority is questioned, I am held in contempt wherever I go.

        Who am I: Mohamar Ghadaffi or Gary Bettman.

  9. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …it’s tough out-here getting-rid of the bad taste left in My mouth, left by the post-Stanley Cup violence
    …I keep asking Myself, WHERE does it come from ? …WHAT is it’s point ? …are We so effete as a culture in Vancouver, or for that matter in Canada, that We lose all perspective of self-value because We lose a stupid hockey game ? …is this The Future for My 2 children ? …is this a reflection of the real social underbelly of my adopted city, Vancouver ?
    …personally, I was not here in Vancouver for the last post-Stanley Cup riot, having moved back and forth over the years between Montreal, Asia and Vancouver …but I was here for the Canucks first Cup run with Roger Neilson as coach, and the birth of the waving white towel tradition, and of course, the sublime 2010 Vancouver Winter Olympics
    …Vancouver indeed has 2 faces …as I am sure do all cities
    …I just feel a bit more concerned that here in Vancouver,both major riots occured after ‘losing’ …where other cities mostly were out of celebration of a victory that got out-of-hand, and/or there was an underlying political/social frustration that the moment was just an opportunity to express frustration
    …Vancouver and British Columbia is a Godly-beautiful part of Canada …with pockets of despair
    …it is an overall physically safe environment
    …yet there are undercurrents in this place of bounty and beauty
    …foreign and immigrant money have pushed real-estate and home affordability beyond the means of most youth looking forward …there is also a moral malaise (not only among the youth but too many parents), only too willingly perpetuated in the media and entertainment mediums all-around us
    …parents are too passive dealing with ‘the issues’ of their children and ‘the future’
    …none of this is to be blamed on hockey, which is, to Me, remains on it’s own as the greatest entertainment sport on Earth (…even as it is annually being corrupted by corporatization)
    …yesterday, My car was down …My 2 children and I had an important appointment on the other side of Surrey, which in land-area is larger than Metropolitan Vancouver, and We took a BC Transit bus (My first bus trip in some 15 to 20 years) …on the way home, We had a 3/4-filled bus, with varied colors and ethnicities, personality/cultural types, including 3 to 4 young boys in their early-teens at the back, talking ‘smack’ like a lot of kids that age, talking ‘big, crude and loud’ to show their penises are bigger than they actually are …among the ‘F-bombs’ that could be heard at the front of the bus where I and My children (including 13 year old daughter) were, was one of the show-offs telling his ‘buds’ that “my cousin was the f’ guy that threw the f’ Bruins’ fan over the f’ viaduct outside f’ Rogers !!!…”
    …I had no idea whether that was fact or braggadocio-lying or not, but I was pissed first for their obscene language forced on my daughter and the ladies on the bus, as well I was pissed at his obvious indifference to what happened the night before to our city …I spoke over the heads of the other passengers, and I simply pointed-out to them do they understand how the people around them are not impressed, indeed instead how much we are thinking to ourselves you sound like stupid cowardly girly-morons
    …I received a few rude comments back, but the volume and profanity went down without it becoming physical
    …I thought more about it later when I returned home, and discussing it with My kids, the most significant observation I was left with was the passivity of the other passengers and the bus driver (…”what Me tell them to get off the bus ??? …and get my head kicked-in ??? …no way !)
    …everyone looking like scared sheep
    …I think, beyond all the reasons the pseudo and degreed-psycologists provide Us ad nauseam of what makes punks do what they do …the most important explanation is We, Ourselves, allow too often these rude violent misfits to get away with what they do
    …yes, it’s risky for one to take on a mob or more than they alone can handle, but where is the ‘collective will’ to stand together ?
    …without such collective-will to stand together when confronting these fools, villains, bullies and destructive cowards, …then they see your own cowardice and indifference …and You see the not-too-surprising results

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

    • New says:

      Well that is because they are afraid. Not of the young people full of themselves, everyone has had a split lip, cuts, and sore ribs. They are afraid of the government. Of being arrested for being bigotted or assaulting a poor helpless youth. They are afraid of never ending court cases, of fines, of criminal records ruining job prospects and travel plans forever. They are experienced and have something to lose.

      When you are young you don’t think about the consequences. That is why Chara impulsively drove MaxPac into the “turnbuckle”. He didn’t mean to do it. He is sorry. The consequences nonetheless exist. That is why heads bounce off curbs after last call every night of the week in every city.

      We live in a world that pays too much attention to tribunals, commissions, and special interest groups. Some people need a good smack up the side of the head to get their attention before they achieve their potential. Unfortunately today the press would be all over you and your only hope would be the poor abused young person, who would remain unidentified to protect their innocent selves, families, gangs, and dealers, would be so strung out and in corrections for something else that they would miss your court date and the Crown would drop the charges.

      It isn’t right, ethical, or just, but the system can deal with you so they would. That is why people don’t step up and start a confrontation. The government would take the other side. The government has a lot of money. They get it from you.

      Cool eh!

  10. j2w4habs25 says:

    so whats going on with Jarg?

    Carey Price #31

    • Malreg says:

      Would be VERY surprised to see Jagr in the NHL next season. It’s just a negotiating tool to get more money from the KHL. Why else would he or his agent have to go to the media every couple of weeks to say “Oh yes I want to play in the NHL, we’ve spoken to Montreal and Detroit”.

      If he was seriously coming back, he wouldn’t need to do that.

  11. Jocko says:

    http://www.calgarysun.com/2011/06/17/unfortunate-lasting-canucks-image

    Have a look at this and feel free to e-mail Randy Sportak with thoughts or images of ’93 when the Habs WON the cup.

    I don’t want to see Maurice tonight, I want to see The Rocket!

    • Malreg says:

      Stopped reading after this:

      “After watching thugs turn the beautiful city of Vancouver into a sick imitation of Libya, it’s easy to say an emphatic “no.””

      Comparing burning some cars and trashing some stores to a war, where civilians are being killed, bombed, and women are being raped. Nice touch, totally the same thing.

  12. shiram says:

    Quick question : Does Tukka Rask get a Stanley Cup ring, even though he did not play in the playoffs?
    Does he get his name on the Cup?

  13. olegpetrov says:

    Been reading, now I have to insert my comments.

    Lots of people are talking about how the Habs need some gritty and big 4th line players to be able to actively take on teams like Boston. Calls for guys like Rupp, Winchester and McIntyre, all close to 6’4″, have been made.

    On the other side, people keep talking about how they don’t want dirty players like that on their team. They don’t want players who go out there to hurt other players. Some of the above mentioned fellers have done so in the past…acted recklessly on the ice, taking away from the game.

    My take on it is this. The mentality that a player has is often (not always) taken from the team and the environment. Teams like Boston and Philly thrive on having bullies on their teams…to be a team like in the “old days”. This mentality is enforced on the players and the players take that mentality onto the ice. Thus, the player acts like management and coaches want them to.

    If players like Lucic, Marchand, Pronger et al. were on a team like the Habs, who have a “classy” organization and do not tolerate idiocy on the ice, they would not be the way they are. This toleration does not end at the management level either. Fans, like ourselves, do not want to see idiots like that on our team. I was often sickened at the antics of guys like Lapierre, running around, throwing questionable hits, then not backing it up if someone came at them.

    Yet, I would LOVE to have a player like Marchand or Lucic on our team because their antics would not be tolerated and they would, more than likely, become respectable players who still use their size, their mouths and play the game of hockey without resorting to childish bull crap.

    Anyway, that’s my rant.

    Habs fan…Nuff said

    • issie74 says:

      Hallelujah!!!

      NorthTOHab

    • savethepuck says:

      The Wiz’s past wasn’t actually that of an angel before he came to the Habs either and I don’t recall him even in a fight, let alone a questionable hit to attempt to injure someone. My point is, there may be some truth to your statement.

      “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

      • issie74 says:

        savethepuck … you should google James Wizniewski.

        NorthTOHab

        • savethepuck says:

          The hit on Seabrook when he was with Anaheim was one of the worst hockey hits I’ve ever seen. The oral sex hand gesture he was suspended for earlier this season was questionable and I’ve seen some of his pre Hab UTube fights. Seeing that I didn’t see him doing that as a Hab means I really don’t get your point. I’m too busy to Google.

          “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

    • New says:

      You have a valid point. By the same token how many times have we heard the phrases “They wanted it more than we did.” and “Whatever it takes to win.”

      82 games, exhibitions, off season training, then a two month playoffs facing elimination at every turn? Yeah. I don’t ever recall a team that didn’t have a Gillies, or Messier, or Nilan, or Gilmour, or…well the list goes on. They didn’t really care what you wanted. They wanted the cup and you were between them and a year of fighting for it.

      Would you rather a player who zoned in and gave it everything? Or the Lady Bing type who set a fine example and refused to get drawn into the emotional or violent aspects of the game?

    • If the Habs do not fine a enforcer or two the Bruins will be all over PK next season. Guys like Horton, Lucic, Chara, Marchand, Thornton, Boychuck and Ference will have a piece of Habs future player. What are they going to do when the Habs have no one to protect him.

      • ZepFan2 says:

        Maybe PK should pull a Robinson and knock one of those clowns out. That would stop them dead in their tracks.

        Obviously it wont be Chara. Marchand would be nice. Lucic would be even nicer.

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        Welcome to the newer NHL: The National Head-shots League.

    • The comment made further down below NEW and if the Habs do not find protection for PK it will be not to good when they all go after him like they did in the playoffs. Enough said.

    • Landof10000lakesHab says:

      Agreed – good post.

      Like the vast majority of posters, I would like to see the Habs add size and grit this coming season, but not at the expense of adding a player known primarily for dirty play or obnoxious behaviour.

  14. Sharks9 says:

    2 Habs prospects are invited to the 2011 Summer Development camp for the World Juniors. More than any of the other Canadian teams!

    http://www.tsn.ca/world_jrs/feature/?id=45328

    25 before 14

  15. Sean Bonjovi says:

    I read in this article:
    http://phillysportsdaily.com/flyers/2011/06/17/excitement-peaks-over-ilya-bryzgalov-negotiations/

    that the salary cap number for next season is expected to be announced on June 30th. Is that right? That can’t be right. You’d think some teams would make totally different decisions between now and then based on a $60.5 M cap v. a $63.5 M cap. Does anyone know when the number is usually released?

    * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

  16. habitual says:

    Seems like the vacant head coaching jobs in the NHL are go anyone not named Kirk.

    Too bad for our Kirk, and while I wish him well in his coaching career, I can’t say I am sad that he will likely stay with Les Boys for another year.

    • Habfan4lfe says:

      I think it’s more, Kirk wants to stay and take over from Martin. That better be the plan. When JM flops this season, give him the boot and give the job to Kirk. Oh wait, Kirk doesn’t speak french! Oh oh. Damn that discrimination in Quebec! Oui Oui, francais seulement!!

      • Malreg says:

        Kirk has interviewed in person with Dallas, Ottawa, Winnipeg(or will soon), New Jersey… It’s not because he doesn’t want the job.

        I guess teams are worried that he has zero head coaching experience. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him take a job as head coach ini the AHL for next season. Both Dallas and Minnesota just promoted thier AHL coaches.

      • Chris says:

        I doubt that this is in the plans. Randy Cunneyworth is more likely to replace Martin than Muller…the NHL is littered with cases of assistant coaches being elevated to head coach and very few of those worked.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          If Muller takes two years as HC in Hamilton and Cunneyworth comes up to be an assistant behind the bench though it could be a bit different, allows Muller to seperate himself from the team a bit and familiarize himself with the prospect core while getting used to the challenges of having to be HC rather than the “Player’s Coach” assistant.

          - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

      • savethepuck says:

        JM will not flop this year befause the Habs will not flop this year. If you are hoping the team sucks so we can change coaches maybe you should cheer for another.

        “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

  17. Habitant in Surrey says:

    http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Love+among+ruins+Details+about+couple+Vancouver+Riot+Kiss+photo+revealed/4959172/story.html …is the link of Vancouver Sun article for those interested of just who were the 2 lovers in the middle of the post-game chaos
    …brought back a few pleasant memories of days I actually was as uninhibited and romantic …to me, poetic antithesis to senseless anarchy and selfish violence

    edit: …seems Michael already linked the story …o well

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

    • _Habsoloutly_ says:

      Ahh yes, I miss those romantic times when I got intimate in public while my city burnt down around me. Good times.

      • higginrs says:

        Agree, if Hockey (Habs) Inside Out had any class, like the Habs organization, they’d pull that picture down. It’s insulting to Vancouver city and has nothing to do with Draft picks.

        • kempie says:

          Lighten up. The fact is that what happened happened. Photographers were there to capture the images of terrible, stupid destruction. This photo manages to capture something beautiful in the middle of chaos. Most people get that, and that’s why it’s the most famous photo in the cosmos at the mo.

  18. Marcusman says:

    Stupid question but how do I insert a pic on my profile?

    • longbow says:

      It’s a long story. Basically you have to go to a site called gravatar and create an account using the same e-mail account as the one you used to create your HIO account.

      Einstein’s definition of insanity – “Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”

  19. longbow says:

    Marc Denis is replacing Benoit Brunet. Ayayay !!!
    I like Marc Denis. A definite upgrade.

    I like Aaron Palushaj and I think he will be in the NHL here or somewhere else, however, if he is the closest of our prospects to be NHL ready then I’m not exactly overwhelmed.Does he really answer our needs ?

    Einstein’s definition of insanity – “Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”

  20. Hobie Hansen says:

    @ TomNickle,

    1)For now on I won’t refer to something that was said on television or in the paper unless I have the exact quote or can paste a link to the video or article right into my comment. I wasn’t aware that we were forced to follow the same guidelines as a journalist must follow when publishing an article.

    2)I promise I will never talk about good power forwards from other teams again.

    3)And I promise that I will never talk about the Canadians bulking up their fourth line again and instead of wishing for Gauthier would trade or sign a player with a bit of toughness I will keep my fingers crossed that we end up with Jagr or Hemsky.

    • longbow says:

      If it’s any consolation I remember hearing negative comments about Leblanc at the WJC too although I didn’t pay any heed since I knew he wasn’t 100% at the time. I thought he did very well considering. I don’t recall who said the negative comments since it was so long ago and I didn’t write it down since I didn’t realize at the time I would be required to show evidence at the 5 penny court house.

      Einstein’s definition of insanity – “Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”

    • TomNickle says:

      This is you Hobie. Just so we’re clear.

      “I did hear multiple times that he(Leblanc) was having problems competing at the same intensity level as the rest of the players at the WJHC”.

      “Basically he was labeled as an underachiever at the WJHC last year and although he did average over a point a game in the QMJHL (58p in 51gm), good offensive players in that league often average two plus points a game.”

      “If you don’t remember Louis LeBlanc being relegated to 4th line duty at the WJHC, under performing and hearing people in the media mention it, I don’t know what to tell you pal”

      1. Multiple times? You were using some pretty specific examples with McKenzie and Mcguire for it to have been multiple times. Again, if anyone thought that Leblanc wasn’t competing hard enough or playing well enough in that tournament they weren’t watching the same tournament that the large majority of Canadians were.

      2. Not a single player in the QMJHL went over two points per game this year. And I have a strong suspicion that it rarely happens if it’s happened at all since Crosby was in that league. Just another example of you running off at the mouth with no clue about what you’re talking about. Just fabricating crap to make a weak argument look stronger.

      3. Leblanc played with eight different forwards over the course of the tournament and played powerplay and penalty kill throughout the tournament, including the gold medal game.

      No hard feelings Hobie

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        You’re correct. I should have said well over a point per game and not two plus points.
        I’m not a huge follower of the QMJHL and in my original post I said I wasn’t up to speed on all the Habs prospects, that’s why it was in question form.
        I said I remember hearing McGuire and McKenzie say a few negative things about him (Leblanc).
        Again, I guess I do have some work to do during the day and I’m not glued to the WJHC and QMJHL websites to study statistics like yourself.

  21. HabinBurlington says:

    Just saw that Terry Fox’s mother passed away. Great mother to an iconic hero. May she rest in peace.

  22. Thomas says:

    I’m sure this must have been said somewhere, but it would absolutely amazing if we can get this Huberdeau kid, not because he’s French, but because he is AWESOME!!

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      That would require trading up from around 20 to around 3-5. That would only be possible if we gave up someone we really don’t want to give up (Price, Subban)

      You’re right it would be amazing to grab him, but it’s not happening.

  23. Marcusman says:

    Sign them up…….

  24. Habs adding these UFA’s to their line-up would make the Bruins think twice to battle with the gloves off.

    Jaromar Jar RW 6′ 3″ 242 LBS 1st line

    Michael Rupp C 6′ 5″ 240 LBS 4th line

    Brad Winchester LW/RW 6′ 5″ 231 LBS 4th line

    Steve MacIntyre LW 6′ 5″ 250 LBS 4th line

    Mark Mancari RW 6′ 3″ 225 LBS 3rd line

    Sending Rupp, MacIntyre and Winchester into the corner to deliver a bone crunching hit on big Zdeno Chara and watch that 6′ 9″ fall flat on his face after the hit. Man that would make all Habs fans cheer in an uproar. OUCH!!!

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Watch out, you’ll be accused of being a goon lover and a fan of Don Cherry or Brian Burke for mentioning some of those names!

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Guys, we’re supposed to be hockey fans, not MMA. Having a line of unskilled behemoths walrusing up the ice is not something I look forward to.

      Living in BC, I’ve seen a few games in Vancouver, and had the opportunity to see Boogard when he played for the Wild. It was astonishing how far behind the play he was, and how little he contributed to the game. We don’t need his type of player in our lineup.

      I like the Canadiens vision of a fast team that outskates physical teams.

      Of course we would welcome a tough, physical winger or two who can score, but so would every team. Just saying we want one doesn’t make it any easier for us to find him.

      ———————————
      “I hate the Bruins more than the Nordiques, who I hate more than the Flyers.”

    • Talik Sanis says:

      Almost everyone agrees that the Canadiens need to improve in two key areas: scoring and size/grit/toughness. However, adding a few goons to the team, who cannot contribute anything to the former (or preform a checking role while taking up minutes on the penalty kill) will not help the team. Having three individuals that can play for four minutes a game, twenty games out of the season, would be an attempt to solve the issue in the wrong way.

      That said, one of Mancari or Rupp might be an interesting addition, as they do not seem to be entirely one dimensional players, but I believe Mancari’s skating is poor at best. He would be ill-suited for our team.

      It seems an obvious thing to say, which almost everyone will agree with, but the Canadiens need to seek out larger players who can play a role other than being able to hit, fight and intimidate. Teams don’t win with three players like Laraque; they win with three players like Lucic, Horton or Ladd. None of them are cut from the same cloth, but they blend skill and size.

      This is one of the odd central points of contention between many of the posters here. Those who want a larger, skilled team are often accused of simply wanting to add in goons who can’t actually play the game (I disagree with those that actually do want to do this, and this alone). Those posters who want to avoid such one-dimensional types of players are accused of being in love with pint-sized, soft players who are easily out-muscled. Both sides often misconstrue the arguments of the other, so as to create an irrational straw man to knock down.

  25. HabinBurlington says:

    Okay, I think it may be time to start a Habs equivalent Bruin Troll Death Pool. What day will be the last day there is still Bruin fans trolling amongst us. Or Boone, can you talk to the powers that be from Gazette, maybe we create a Bruins webpage for them. Just have the computer spew out repetitive non sensible lines to feed the masses.

    I suspect John Bellyful will come up with some brilliant posts that ought to keep them busy for weeks on end.

    • Bugs says:

      Disagree.
      Much as it pains me to say it, they’re entitled to mock, gloat and preen to their heart’s content and otherwise become extremely unpleasant towards us.
      All the sh*te we gave’em over the years, reckon we can take some now.
      Don’t get me wrong: I don’t think they deserve it. I think they were pizz-garbage lucky (as I’ve said multiple times), and I think we’re a better team top to bottom. I think we WON the 7th game. Their go-ahead goal was made off a play subsequent to an uncalled spear in the throat and with the deliberate Halpern headshot not called either, we were denied a 5 min major, off which we WOULD’VE scored since we ALWAYS did score. That was our game. Just pizz-garbage luck we didn’t get it.
      But that’s the way it is. No matter how, they won. They can gloat.
      And we gotta take it.
      Those are the rules.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  26. longbow says:

    If Muller doesn’t come back next season, which seems most likely, would Craig Ramsey be a good addition to the coaching staff ?

    Jagr doesn’t seem like too bad an idea since it answers a question on the Plekanec line,allows AK to play with Eller and since it would only be for one year that money can eventually go towards what Price will be making.Spacek’s money goes to Subban so that isn’t an issue.Seems to me we will have the team put together without touching the extra money when the new salary cap numbers are announced.

    Looking at who’s available around 17th in the draft I don’t think we’ll be disappointed.Hope we end up with McNiel but there are other good players there.

    Einstein’s definition of insanity – “Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      I share your draft optimism.
      I know very little about most players available in the draft, but I do know how good Zach Phillips, and Tomas Jurco are, so I figure if there really are 20 or 25 players better than those two Sea Dogs, the Canadiens should get an excellent hockey player at #17.

      * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

    • issie74 says:

      If Plekanec want’s to play with Jagr they can both go and play for Jagr’s father.

      NorthTOHab

  27. CHsam says:

    I hope we do sign Jagr for one year. Why not? It’s not like we’re signing him for five or seven years. He’s got something to prove and we need extra forward help. If we get a healthy MaxPac back, and AK can play with Eller, it could be good. Needless to say, I’m on the Jagr bandwagon here.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      If The team is committed to a long-term rebuild from within the system, then I’m for signing Jagr, especially if it’s a one year contract. There’s a school of thought that advocates for removing veteran players from a roster to allow younger players more ice time if a team isn’t going to contend for the Stanley Cup, but I don’t share that philosophy. I think it’s important to play playoff games. I’m more confident in PK, and Price, and I have more respect for Eller and DD after seeing them play in the playoffs.

      I think signing Jagr would mean the team is taking a solid run at the eastern conference finals, not the Stanley Cup, but I think the younger players on this team would benefit more from that kind of experience than one where Travis Moen, and Mathieu Darche are the 3rd line wingers and the team fights for 6th place and starts the playoffs on the road.

      * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

  28. HabFanSince72 says:

    How about we sign Arthuykin, John Scott and Trevor Gillies? That would be a scary 4th line.

    Now I know what you’re all thinking – they aren’t very good hockey players. But the line as a whole would only play against the Bruins.

    In fact if things go according to plan, Gillies would get a 10 game suspension after every Bruin-Habs game, so he would actually only play 6 games.

    Urgences Santé need to double up on ambulances in the Bell Ctr parking lot.

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      lol, can you imagine… letting those animals lose against the B’s would be comical.

      • TomNickle says:

        It would only work if we do to the Bruins what they do to us. We can’t play that line against Thornton and Campbell. We play them against Bergeron and Marchand and jump them.

        Beat them to a bloody pulp, have our guys pound their chests and then announce to the World that we’re the toughest team in hockey and that the Bruins had it coming.

      • Timo says:

        It would be awesome. Play them against Bergeron, Marchand, Chara, Ference, Dr. Recchi… I would love to see all these pricks carried out on the stretcher to never return.

        • shiram says:

          Ahh sadly Recchi retired after winning his third cup, but I guess the good part is that he is not returning?

        • B915 says:

          That’s class Timo….Habs style

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Aahhh somehow I don’t think Timo gives a crap what a bruin fan thinks. Actually not sure any of us do, but I shouldn’t speak for other.

          • TomNickle says:

            Cuz the Bruins didn’t have Thornton, Campbell and Boychuk go after Pyatt, Hamrlik and Spacek. Lucic didn’t go after Pouliot?

            Hypocrite, chip off the ol’Bruins block.

          • saskhabfan says:

            Does anybody even remember the last time lucic punched somebody who actually saw him coming?

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Sign me up as not giving a flying f**k what B915 thinks.

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            I can’t even imagine why this Bruins fan (B915) even bothers to post on this site daily. He’s not smart enough to rub anything in, and everyone thinks he’s a total joke.

            Maybe he likes looking pathetic in everyone’s eyes. Like a masochism thing.

        • saskhabfan says:

          We can just say they “leaned and jumped a little”.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Wasn’t the boychuk hit just an awkward collision?

          • saskhabfan says:

            Chara claimed to reporters that pacioretty leaned and jumped into the stanchion.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Yes you are correct Sask man forgot about that wording. Found it humurous when the NHL also dismissed Boychucks hit on Raymond as simply “awkward collision”.

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            well duh, he wanted to break his own neck obviously.

            Zdeno is a good guy, I know this because CBC and all the ex-Bruins they employ told me so.

        • issie74 says:

          Dr.Recchi … has retired and taken up private practice.

          NorthTOHab

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      I think adding a player to play against the tougher teams is a good idea. I like Steve MacIntyre. I think he could hang with Chara, and definitely Thornton. One other guy to handle Lucic and Horton.. Moen then becomes our third toughest, which is a huge weight off his shoulders.

    • mrhabby says:

      love to see that…gillies is a right animal. even one of them I would take.

  29. Mr_MacDougall says:

    My thoughts on Jagr…

    One year deal. Perfect.

    The team needs to be flexible as there are many important signings after the upcoming season!

    He plays bad, big deal, we roll with the same line-up that had us within a bounce of ousting the champs. Maybe the upcoming team will be healthier.. I think Jagr will end up being like Kovalev, dynamite at home and average on the road…

  30. bwoar says:

    One thing about Jagr…. if Ken Holland is actually out kicking the tires on that, it’s probably not a busted lemon.

  31. showey47 says:

    Weber apparently close to signing a 2 year deal. As per cyberpresse and the swiss daily “le matin”.

  32. habsfan0 says:

    Isn’t that a photo of Don Cherry & Doug Gilmour?

  33. Hobie Hansen says:

    @TomNickle

    If you don’t remember Louis LeBlanc being relegated to 4th line duty at the WJHC, under performing and hearing people in the media mention it, I don’t know what to tell you pal.

    He had 7pts in 7 games which looks good on paper but he was questioned a handful of times for not playing the same physical style as the other players and lacking a bit of grit and determination.

    Did I say he was awful…NO!

    • TomNickle says:

      Hobie. He was put with two players specifically to get them going. That’s according to the coach. So I don’t know what to tell you pal. Maybe stop watching your television with the Spanish translation audio in effect.

      And ps, I love how your story changes after every point you make gets shut down based on facts that get thrown in your face. First it was national media were questioning his work ethic, that got shut down and then it became he was relegated to the fourth line, which he wasn’t. What’s next?

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        How did it change? I like how I mentioned that a few comments were made by TSN people and you’re acting like I slept with your sister.
        I’m sorry Tom, that every single comment from my mouth isn’t as positive as yours. I should learn to take it up the but like you and believe that ever single statement, trade or player involved with the Canadiens organization is just peachy and positive.
        I know you believe all are prospects will play in the all-star game one day, I know you think that small and timid is the way to go and I know about your little man crush on Jagr.
        I know you still believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus too.
        Merry Christmas.

        • TomNickle says:

          Hobie, you said Pierre McGuire and Bob Mckenzie said that Leblanc lacked proper work ethic. Which is false. And then you changed your direction when dumping on Leblanc to a fictional statement saying that he got relegated to a fourth line.

          You’re again jumping to conclusions about my opinions. In reference that I take it up the butt. But I’m the one who lacks class right?

          For your information, I think that Cichy, Dumont, Wyman, Westin, Schultz, Russell, Masse, Mayer, Lefebvre, Kishel, Johnson, Trunev, Engqvist and Carle are a complete waste of time for the Habs. But let’s not let my ACTUAL opinion get in the way of your argument that I see no fault in the organization.

          Those comments by TSN people didn’t happen. Again, you’re fabricating analysis to make a weak argument look stronger.

          Now you’ll move onto the size/grit/strength argument again with a long winded post at the top of the page where you call me a pansy and say the Habs missing piece is Zenon Konopka. Can’t wait!!!

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            So even though Engqvist came up and played a game last year and was talked about by EVERYONE as being a big strong two-way player he’s a waste of time?

            And if you want me to call TSN after work, get them to send me the entire video of the WJHC and search though them to find a 10 second clip of Mcguire saying that LeBlanc isn’t overly impressing him and has things to work on…I will.

            Did I ever say Konopka was the sole missing piece to the team? I’ve said a few times that he is one of many players I could see on our 4th line.

            If you think a 39-year-old forward who hasn’t played in the NHL for 3 years and has often been question for thinking of himself and for being soft is what the Habs need, good for you!

          • DearyLeary says:

            I’m inclined to agree with tom when he says Endqvist is a waste of time. Every time I see him play in Hamilton he’s invisible. That’s hard to do for a guy his size.

            McGuire isn’t impressed with anyone the Canadiens draft, notice that trend? Pierre wanted the GM job and ever since Gainey got it he’s been criticizing every move the team makes.

            I loved what Leblanc brought to the WJ team, and was confused every time he got shuffled around by Cameron (whom I hate as a coach). He would start clicking with a line then all the lines would get shuffled. He also did it while he was hurt. Speaks to his character and dedication.

            Some bulk on his frame and some work in the minors and we’ll be able to see where he might fit in in the organization. By no means will he be a regular next year, but depending on how he does he might get a callup if he’s really ahead of schedule, but I’m more along the thoughts that it’ll be a year-year and half before we start seeing him in the NHL.

          • TomNickle says:

            THERE IT IS! Change #3. First he was underachieving, then he wasn’t competing hard enough, and now he wasn’t overly impressive.

            Which is for pete’s sake Hobie? I’m having trouble keeping up here. You’re whole argument was that Leblanc didn’t impress because he wasn’t competing. So yes, please find video of them saying he wasn’t competing hard enough.

            I don’t think Engqvist projects to the NHL and I feel he is a waste of time for the Habs. Not for the Bulldogs, but for the Habs.

            Hobie, I’ll do you a favour and just start avoiding your fictional accounts of what others said. Feel free to continue spewing your garbage about the Habs needing Zenon Konopka, our prospects being busts and Lucic being God’s gift to hockey without worry that I will throw facts that contradict all of your creative writing back at you.

    • bwoar says:

      Leblanc was the best player on his line over and over again.

  34. bwoar says:

    @TomNickle: the chance of Bogosian leaving Winnipeg this season seems more like 2%. The club’s stated intention is to build in the draft, and I see them going in the HH direction, letting he chips fall where they may and simply taking the picks that come. The fans here are ready for that, the mood is excited but people expect a struggle for the playoffs. I don’t see the org having any urgency to move a kid like Bogo, this is isn’t Atlanta, who were desperate for playoff revenue.

    It’s very humorous to watch hockey fans call out the club for firing ‘established’ guys. It’s especially odd for Guy Boucher fans. I’m not saying that those moves are good ones, but eh, I thought Bob Gainey would build a team that could make the finals. Lesson learned, assume nothing!

    • TomNickle says:

      As for Bogosian. There were several rumblings and no denials that he wanted out of Atlanta, presumably because of their players being notified that the team was no longer stable and would be moved, but that’s an assumption on my part. Rick Dudley was on Team990 after the Maxwell trade and said that Bogosian was not untouchable but that it would take a significant offer to trade him.

      What better way to build through the draft than to trade a player that probably doesn’t want to be in Winnipeg for a handsome package bwoar?

      They have Byfuglien, Enstrom, Hainsey, Oduya and Stuart. They aren’t struggling on defense. Dangling Bogosian is dealing from a position of strength and they would have 29 teams lining up to bid on his services.

      On management. Rick Dudley and Craig Ramsay have proven success in NHL management. Letting them go in favour of a team president that hasn’t worked a day in the NHL, hiring a GM who worked under Stan Bowman(who basically traded all of the wrong players other than Versteeg) and looking for a coach who failed at the NHL level and has done a mediocre job at the AHL level is ill advised at best.

      • bwoar says:

        I have heard the rumblings on Bogosian but certainly nothing to suggest he would unhappy in Winnipeg. Most of his teammates seem to be welcoming the change in management, at the least. For now it’s baseless speculation that he wants out. And the current group would be foolish to trade a developing defenseman for picks they would then have to go and start developing again. I really don’t see a trade coming there unless the player demands one.

        There’s a good group of D men there but I think it’s made a lot stronger down the road by keeping Bogosian. Might as well ask why a team needs Subban if they’re re-signed Markov, know what I mean? There’s a decent chance to draft a strong offensive player at #7 this year and I strongly suspect the org will hang on to its young players for dear life.

        Still waiting to hear the sterling bona fides on Dudley’s or Ramsey’s resume. I think Duds’ best move was signing Marty St. Louis in TB.

        It’s very disingenuous of you to judge an asst. GM on the trades of his boss. Remember Cheveldayoff was also the guy who worked with some of those youth during their AHL careers, the guys Bowman traded. You’re calling a guy out for no other reason but that Bowman couldn’t keep a champion together. And by ‘traded all the wrong players’ I can only assume you mean that Bowman should’ve traded Kane, Toews, Sharp and Duncan Keith, right??

        Than you’re calling out a franchise over a coach they haven’t even hired, when the most likely guy is Claude Noel. Given that both guys in the SCF this year were AHL grads, and given that the trend in the league is hiring from the AHL, I can’t understand why the hockey world frowns on this.

        The True North guys learned their lesson about hiring ‘establishment’ people when they had to fire Jean Perron in the inaugural season of the Moose for not being able to coach or GM an AHL team out of paper bag.

        Food for thought: Kirk Muller would only have to speak English in Winnipeg. And there aren’t many openings left out there for a head coach.

        • TomNickle says:

          Let me clarify. Ramsay has been regarded as one of the NHL’s best coaches for a long time. Dudley worked in Chicago, Ottawa, Atlanta, Buffalo and Florida and had a big hand in acquiring the elite talent those organizations have had over the years. On Chevaldayoff, he was sub par in his first stint in Winnipeg. On Heisinger, he has no NHL experience in a management role and Claude Noel didn’t succeed in the NHL and has been average at best in the AHL.

          They’ve let go of Dudley who had a big hand in building the Blackhawks, and then ripping the players that Chicago shouldn’t have traded away from them in Byfuglien and Ladd. And they appear ready to let go of Ramsay who has decades of NHL experience and success with most if not all teams he’s been on.

          I feel it’s a bad way to start, just my opinion. But I’m not putting anyone down, simply citing their records.

          • bwoar says:

            You make some good points Tom regarding inexperience, but some of the data may be a little suspect.

            I’m not sure who regards Ramsey quite so highly as that, but the 2nd-half collapse of his team least year doesn’t help. He’s still in the mix for job, too, and I’d wager he has as good a shot as any. He’s certainly respected by the current management and they may well decide to retain him. The players like him, too.

            Cheveldayoff has never been part of the WPG/MB org, as far as I know. He was with the Chicago Wolves for a very long time. You aren’t thinking of Tim Cheveldae are you?

            Heisinger admittedly lacks NHL experience, he’s got a very good eye for talent and is in a role that he can succeed in. The Moose org was very successful in developing Vancouver’s prospects, so for now I’m in the ‘benefit of the doubt’ crowd on the hockey ops.

            I don’t know much about Claude Noel. He won more than he lost in his mini stint as Columbus HC, and the Moose haven’t had the same team as they did under Scott Arniel. Grabner, Hansen, Schneider, Bieksa and others all played on much more talented Moose squads than last year. Not to say Noel would be a better choice than Ramsey, MacT or Mike Haviland, who seem to be the ‘establishment’ candidates.

            It’s been said that Muller is not in the running, but Paul Friesen is WPG’s version of Bruce Garrioch (and a Bruins fan. fancy that), so have a salt lick with that tidbit.

      • Chris says:

        The issues with Bogosian in Atlanta centered around a very toxic relationship with their defensive coach, John Torchetti. If he’s gone, that would go a long way to clearing up those issues.

  35. LA Loyalist says:

    For those of you who are interested, here is the official US position on kids’ body contact and checking. I believe it is consistent with the Canadian rules.

    Info <Info@USAHNews.org

  36. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    I bet that girls parents are proud. “hey look honey, there’s our little angel, lying in the street with her pants off in the middle of the riot that tore our city up”

  37. Neutral says:

    we need a good right winger for the 1st line and the 3rd line. the 4th line no scoring there, bangers and crashers, should do something about that kinda hard to roll 4 lines when there’s no scores on the 4th. it helped boston win the cup, Paille and Thornton chipped in.

  38. Propwash says:

    Bruins still suck.

  39. Duracell3 says:

    What happened to the guy predicting with certainty that Jagr would be signed by Montreal by yesterday at the latest?

    • TomNickle says:

      I said he would be signed, I didn’t say yesterday at the latest. I did say it would be yesterday though. Sorry if I’m off by a couple of days. But it’s going to happen when the Cap figure is announced.

      • shiram says:

        Hey Tom you seem to be on top of the Jagr thing, how likely is it that he would choose MTL over any other city? I think I heard Pitts, NY and Detroit were possible choice for him as well.

        • TomNickle says:

          Montreal is his most preferred destination for an NHL return. The Kovalev love affair appeals to him.

          • shiram says:

            Well I’d like to see him in a Habs jersey, he seems like a great asset in a relatively weak free agent market.
            Still, I can’t shake my doubts about this.
            The guy might just end up managing his hockey club (or is it his father’s hockey club?)

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Hard to believe he would pick Mtl over Detroit or NY.

          • TomNickle says:

            No Shiram, he wants to play in the NHL for one year and then go play one season for his father before retiring and going into a front office job with that team.

          • Marc10 says:

            I doubt that. He’s a NYR kind of guy. And wouldn’t his wife want to shop on 5th Avenue?

            I won’t believe it until I see it. Shanny, Briere, Sundin, Hull Ryan Smith… So many guys were given a chance to come here only to piss off somewhere else.

            “To be irreplaceable, you have to be different”.
            Andy Warhol

            Go PK Go!

        • TomNickle says:

          @HF72.

          Players from Eastern Europe as you know have always respected and admired the Montreal Canadiens for their dedication to being a skilled hockey team and avoiding the thug tactics that just won the Bruins a Cup. Jagr would love to play with Plekanec, he would love to play in this market and the fan appreciation for skilled European players is very appealing to him. He wants to be a Hab.

          • LA Loyalist says:

            Also, Montreal is culturally more sophisticated for a European.

            A Canadian farm boy may not care about that, might think Anaheim is cool because it’s across the street (well, a 5 minute drive) from Disneyland :) but a guy like Jagr, at this point in his life, might want to play for a more sophisticated audience. Just like Neil Young might rather play at Massey Hall than ACC (see, two Neil Young references in one day). That may have some weight. I don’t know, I don’t know dick about the guy personally, but if it was me, that’s what I would be thinking.

      • Stuck_in_To. says:

        I incidentally watched Jagr play his entire NHL career. He was amazing while building his reputation. Once his bona fides were established, he was never the same player. Just ask Washington and NYR fans. Signing Jagr would be a step backwards.

        Of course, I will happily eat my words if the Habs sign him and he produces but such are the trials of being a fan.

        • Bugs says:

          New Yorkers didn’t like that he led their team in points both years he was there?
          Finicky bunch, aren’t they?

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Well, there was the year that he was leading in points, at Xmas, but wasn’t invited to the All-Star Game.

            Always wondered what was behind that…

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Stuck_in_To. says:

            Okay, I am not trying to be a total douche but …

            Jaromir Jagr 82 25 46 71
            Scott Gomez 81 16 54 70

            for 07/08 ….

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Agree with Bugz – didn’t he score a lot in NY?

          The real issue is that he was already declining 4 years ago.

          • TomNickle says:

            319 points in three and a third seasons

          • Sean Bonjovi says:

            He got them to game 7 in the second round against the Sabres in 2007 too. That Rangers team was fun to watch before they went all “Drury/Gomez”.

            * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

          • Stuck_in_To. says:

            Consistent effort was his issue. There is no arguing he was a dominant talent. Rare, if you want. But what motivates Jagr has long been questioned and not answered. I am just suggesting that the Habs don’t need to try to find the answer.

          • LA Loyalist says:

            The problem is we don’t have a whole lot of firepower upgrade options.

            We’re going to crack champagne if Gomez scores 20 goals.

            If we had a posse of young Steve Shutts trying to crack our line-up it would be one thing, but we don’t. We need a killer power play this year and to buy some time for our kids to come along. That’s why Jagr, from a risk management POV, is a reasonable risk. We’re not giving up Louis Leblanc or Danny Kristoferson or anyone else to get him. It’s only money.

          • Stuck_in_To. says:

            Point taken.

        • LA Loyalist says:

          I just realized what your Avatar name meant: Stuck in Toronto. I thought all this time you were stuck into something. Boy am I a dope on a rope.

        • issie74 says:

          Add Mario Lemieux to that list.

          NorthTOHab

  40. Hobie Hansen says:

    So what’s the consensus with Louis Leblanc these days? I don’t proclaim to be an expert on our draft picks but basically the rumblings about LeBlanc’s current progress haven’t been overly positive. I haven’t anything extremely negative either.

    Basically he was labeled as an underachiever at the WJHC last year and although he did average over a point a game in the QMJHL (58p in 51gm), good offensive players in that league often average two plus points a game.

    I know things can change rather quickly in a young player’s career in terms of development but he really hasn’t jumped out at anyone at this point.

    Is he playing one more year in the QMJHL or is playing in Hamilton next season or does he even have an outside chance at playing for the Habs?

    • shiram says:

      Didn’t he play half a year with an injured arm/shoulder? In that case he would have done pretty well considering.

    • TomNickle says:

      He played with a severely injured shoulder for the majority of the season.

      Who said that he underachieved at the WJHC? He was thought by many to be the best player team Canada had and Dave Cameron received a lot of criticism for not playing him more throughout the tournament.

      http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/juniorhockey/blog/buzzing_the_net/post/WJC-2011-Louis-Leblanc-Plug-and-play?urn=juniorhockey-302582

      • DearyLeary says:

        Isn’t he 20 now? I don’t want him playing as an overager. I want him in Hamilton to learn to be a professional.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I didn’t know much about him so that’s why I asked. Didn’t know his shoulder was that badly injured…thank you.

        However I did hear multiple times that he was having problems competeing at the same intensity level as the rest of the team Canada players during the WJHC.

        But that came from Bob Mackenzie and Pierre McGuire and as most people on here say; TSN knows nothing and they’re all a bunch of idots….

        • TomNickle says:

          That came from Mckenzie and Mcguire? When?

          I think you’ve got it backwards Hobie. He was revered by the national media for his work ethic, specifically the dirty work he was doing in the corners and how he showed elite puck possession skills which allowed whatever linemates he played with the freedom to move around and become available for offensive opportunities.

          I’m sorry but you’re definitely confusing Leblanc with somebody else.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Interesting, I’m quite certain I was sitting in front of the television, super excited to see our prospect play in the WJHC and was unhappy with all the negative things I saw/heard.

            Vancouver just lost in game 7 to Boston right? I think Bob and Pierre said that too?

          • TomNickle says:

            Hobie, you’re spewing from the mouth again. Not one person in a national media position said that Leblanc’s work ethic at the WJHC was in question.

            People questioned his dedication to hockey just prior to his draft selection. That’s as far as it goes.

          • savethepuck says:

            I too heard nothing but positive things from the media about him.

            “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

    • DearyLeary says:

      Still early, pretty sure he’ll be in Hamilton for a year before we get a good idea of how he’ll fit into Montreal’s picture.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        We do not want to rush these kids. I hope Gauthier has a sound plan for the post Gomez, post JM era that will yield a balanced team: offense/defense, vets/youth, skill/toughness and most of all CHARACTER AND BALLS that will take us to the promised land.

        We are where we are because Bob panicked. Unbelievable, I know, but it happened.

        We need calm, methodical progress and to absorb the inevitable pain as the price to be paid.

        So take a deep breath. We’ll get there.

        • TomNickle says:

          No concern when Gomez is gone. Eller or Desharnais can fill that void and in the unlikely event that they can’t Cammalleri can move to the middle.

        • bwoar says:

          Re: Gainey, it’s no surprise at all. He pulled essentially the same move shortly before leaving Dallas. Sign some vets, then adios. I always thought he’d avoid doing that a 2nd time. A pretty average GM for such a legend of hockey. But he was a big step in the right direction.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I disagree that Bob panicked. I remember July 1 two years ago, Gainey traded for Gomez and signed Gionta and Cammalleri almost simultaneously. He wanted to retool the team, gave Kovalev an offer but told him to sign it quick or he would go in another direction. Kovalev waffled and ended up in Ottawa.

          Gainey went on to explain that the trade for Gomez was a big reason Gionta and Cammalleri agreed to sign with us, they liked the vision that he had for the team and their role in it. He knew Gomez’s contract was huge, but the calculated risk was that new linemates and a new environment would resurrect his fading career.

          We can say that he rolled the dice and came up snake eyes on Gomez, there was no miracle rejuvenation due to the change of scenery. The decline in production in NYC was not an anomaly, but an indication of where Gomez’ career is headed.

          The contract is a cap buster, but the situation is not, with fresh perspective, Luongo-esque. There is an outside chance that Gomez is right now training hard and will partially justify his salary next season. We can hope that his self-flagellating season post=mortem were not empty easy words but the mark of a man who had resolved to make some changes.

          Gainey didn’t panic. If anything, Gainey was always patient, almost to a fault. Remember his handling of Kovalev, giving him a couple days off in the middle of the season? That’s Gainey. GM’s like Milbury and Keenan are quick with the trigger, but Gainey was always deliberate.

          ———————————
          “I hate the Bruins more than the Nordiques, who I hate more than the Flyers.”

    • Marc10 says:

      He was a bust for the Junior, but a lot of that would like come down to his injury. Agree we’ll know more once he hits Hamilton, but by all accounts the skill level is there and the awareness.

      “To be irreplaceable, you have to be different”.
      Andy Warhol

      Go PK Go!

  41. TomNickle says:

    So Pierre Lebrun reports that Petr Svoboda has spoken to the Habs and Red Wings about Jagr signing with them. Holland confirmed he’s discussed the prospect of signing Jagr with Svoboda.

    So it would appear that all of those so called journalists who speculated that Jagr had no interest of an NHL return were talking out of their rear ends.

  42. Timo says:

    So are there any 5’7 150 lbs prospects available?

  43. TomNickle says:

    Buyout candidates will be known within the next 24 hours as every team hoping to buyout a player has to put them on unconditional waivers by noon tomorrow per Bobblehead Mckenzie.

  44. JohnnyBEast says:

    Are there still teams who have no head coach, that Muller was interviewed for? Winnipeg?

    • TomNickle says:

      Muller is in the running for Winnipeg. But they’re off to a bad start by letting Dudley and Ramsay go.

      I would expect Bogosian to be on the block by the way.

      • Timo says:

        Apparently MacTavish is their front runner… Yeah, they ARE off to a great start. Who in their right mind would ever consider hiring MacTavish? Probably same kind of great minds who would (and did) give Gomez 8 mil per.

        • TomNickle says:

          MacTavish got the Oilers to the Finals with a sub par roster. Not a bad coach.

          • kempie says:

            Actually, I can’t figure why the rush to get Ramsay out the door. I thought he was a pretty decent coach.

          • TomNickle says:

            My thoughts exactly Rick. Ramsay and Dudley are two great hockey guys. If they’re looking for local flavour maybe we can get their first rounder for Moen. :)

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            There must be something wrong with Dudley. His teams do well, but he never lasts more than 1-2 years in any job.

          • TomNickle says:

            @ HF72. Rick Dudley has a great hockey mind. But he has a reputation as a guy who isn’t exactly a company man. And has also been known to be a bit of a mercenary. Some teams don’t feel secure with him because their development plan can have a wrench thrown into it pretty quickly if he decides to follow money.

          • HabFarmer says:

            Guys, guys – if you’re going to analyze the situation in Winnipeg, then read the Winnipeg papers. Ramsay is not out the door – yet, he’s being interviewed along with Muller, Noel, McTavish and so on. I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad idea. And letting go of Dudley? So what? Cheveldayoff has a good track record and a history with the club’s owners/management. In a town like Winnipeg, local flavor is important.

            I think Chipman/Cheveldayoff/Heisinger are going about things the right way.

            “No, I see. The monkey’s out of the bottle now!”

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Claude Noel is the favourite I believe, coached the Moose. I am starting to get a little concerned about my home town team in all the people they are knocking off right away. I realize Atlanta had no winning traditions to speak of, but all these guys were recent hires.

        • TomNickle says:

          Of course they’ll hire Noel. Heisinger is their new team president or whatever the hell title he holds.

          That team will be terrible. They’re firing proven NHL success stories in favour of guys who have either failed at the NHL level or have no experience there.

      • Marc10 says:

        Yep. Bogosian is an interesting asset. You could get a lot for this kid.

        “To be irreplaceable, you have to be different”.
        Andy Warhol

        Go PK Go!

  45. shiram says:

    Benoit Brunet is gone as an analyst, welcome Marc Denis as analyst for hockey games at RDS…

    http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/321398.html

  46. Mats Naslund says:

    http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/teamrankings/_/category/stx#table

    So when you think of the Baltimore Orioles, Kansas City Royals, Portland Trailblazers, Pittsburgh Pirates and Minnesota Wild…. are you thinking “Clearly a more ultimate fan experience than the Bell Centre”?

    • joshua94k says:

      The Canadiens play-off clinching game against the Black Hawks had more electricity and energy than Game 7 of the Finals in Vancouver. Can any venue match the atmosphere of the Millenium game against Boston in Dec. 2009.

      The Bell Centre has the excitement of play-off hockey, European soccer and Nascar racing all rolled in one.

      “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

    • DearyLeary says:

      Apparently there are 14 teams that are better than we are to boot.

    • christophurrr says:

      kaufmann stadium in KC is an amazing park

  47. joshua94k says:

    Earlier in the year the Vancouver Canucks were touted to be as good as the 1977-78 Canadiens in that they led the league in wins, goals scored, goals against and power play goals. The arguement being the Canucks were leading 29 teams while the Canadiens led 18 teams. Hockey night in Canada, TSN, ESPN all threw praises at them marvelling how good that team is, how they battle adversity with injuries and keep on winning.

    Now their team is big question mark. Can Luongo, the Sedins, lead them team to victory? How did they mess up by scoring just 8 goals in 7 games ? Was it a big collapse or did the Bruins have the help of the referees who put their whistles in their pockets and allowed the Bruins to slash, hook, punch at will.

    Why isn’t any media questioning why the Bruins got away with out any suspensions while other teams have not?

    These issues should be the focus, not the riots which would happen win or lose because non-fans use big games as an excuse to loot and create havoc.

    What does a team need to win. Size and toughness. The Flyers have both and couldn’t win a game against Boston. Giroux, Richards, Carter, Briere were awful. The combination of poor play and injuries took their toll. They still can’t find a goalie.

    Tampa Bay also had talented forwards but Lecavalier, Stamkos, St. Louis scored one goal in three games against the Bruins. Were they that bad or did the Bruins use goon hockey to stop them.

    If one argues that the Bruins have the best team defence and best goalie, how come they had such a hard time against the Montreal Canadiens. A team the so-called experts said were too small, lacked toughness, have trouble scoring goals etc. How is it that the Bruins could shut down the Flyers, Lightning and Canucks yet the Canadiens won twice in Boston, came from behind in game 3, 5, and 7. It took Boston three overtime games, including game 7 to beat a team with a depleted line-up. How did the Canadiens come from behind 2-0 in Game 7 while the Lightning and Canucks failed to score in Game 7.

    The reason is, you want to build a team with character players, who compete every game. Despite how hard Boston tried to play goon hockey against Cammalleri and Gionta, they both scored timely goals and performed better this play-off season than the above mentioned all-stars. Montreal had a depleted line-up but those that played, played with heart. That’s a team to build on.

    “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Nice Post.

    • Stuck_in_To. says:

      Agreed, nice post and the reason why the team should not be looking at a major overhaul of its third and fourth lines. Note, major overhaul. Tweaking is in order for sure but I think the team is in a state where tuning is called for. Not rebuilding.

    • Marc10 says:

      Yep. There’s something to be said for character. Look at Darche. He punches well above his weight come playoff time. And stars can shine when the 4th line takes the load off every once in a while. The Pens won a cup on the back of their muckers.

      That’s why we keep Gorges. He’ll be full value come playoff time. That’s why Gill was resigned. I think MTL’s group is very much underrated. It wasn’t a fluke what happened 2 years ago and taking Boston to 7 was no accident either. A healthy Habs team wins that series.

      Dany Dube (CKAC analyst and one of the best around) made the point several times this year… Character isn’t the problem with the Habs. Its the ability for the group to take the strain of a deep playoff drive. Our small guys would struggle to carry that kind of load over 4 series. It’s not so much that they can’t compete for one playoff round, or maybe 2, but the wear and tear on small guys who aren’t adequately surrounded by size and strength is too much.

      That’s why the loss of MaxPac was so devastating. There was a guy with size and skill who was going to the net and could cause problems for opposing Ds if they failed to clear the zone quickly. It gave G&G tons of space and the results came. Take that away and… well, you saw the result…

      Seeing as we’re going to keep Cams, Gio, Gomer, we need to make the call as to whether we can afford to keep DD. If Pouliot was a MaxPac clone, I’d say no prob – but we all know that’s not the case. Moen is just too slow to step up. So you either find another decent sized guy with speed who goes to the net and can create some space for DD, or you have to say goodbye to a kid I like a lot.

      There aren’t many guys like that around. The Pouliot experiment has unfortunately failed twice and I don’t think he gets another chance. Latendresse was also seen as too slow/lacks with his conditioning to fit the bill. The search goes on.

      I say filling that void is more important than anything else. Bertuzzi was a great pick up for Detroit in that sense. We just need to find one, ‘pas trop cher’… Come on Pierre.

      Andy Warhol

      Go PK Go!

      • LA Loyalist says:

        I would pay Gomer to sit in the press box and eat hot dogs and give DD his minutes. DD at least knows where the effing net is and isn’t afraid to go there.

      • Habitoban says:

        Max was great, but I worry about unrealistic expectations. After all, he wasn’t good enough coming out of camp to even make the big club, yet a few months later his potential impact on the team is seen as almost messianic. Hope he can live up.

    • Marcusman says:

      Who really gives a rat-ass……They choked big time. I honestly believe that had JM played Mara instead of Hamerlik in game 7 we’d be lining the parade route as I type this. #44 just ran out of gas…and the coach asked him to do way too much.

    • Dwayne33 says:

      probably the best quote I have ever read on this site! I couldn’t agree more with you. Job well done!!!!! I am talking about joshua’s quote

  48. HalifaxHabs says:

    Propsect alert – I’m looking for opinions on this kid, anyone who has seen him, or knows about him… Serious Fan, I’m looking your way.

    Now I know we are all clamoring for a big forward in the 1st round, but considering the fact that most middle of the 1st round picks don’t usually see the light of day in the NHL for a few years, we should consider all options.

    Bob MacKenize compares this 6’7 250 pound defenseman to Chara… imagine if we had Tinordi and this kid coming up in the system… bring on the thugs Bruins & Flyers.

    http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/bob_mckenzie/?id=369217

  49. issie74 says:

    OK … I need Markov signed.Stop lolly-gagging around PG.

    NorthTOHab

  50. SeriousFan09 says:

    Forget who you want MTL to pick up in the draft, what kind of player (or description of them) would make you cringe if MTL took them on June 24th?

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • TomNickle says:

      None, because the draft isn’t about what a person or player is today. It’s about what they’ll be in five years.

      There is no way of knowing what the outcome of a player will be. Educated guesses based on physical metrics, talent and attitude are the only things that matter.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        I just want to see the Habs go a some risk-reward choice, someone with a great upside, not a safety selection. The Habs have drafted a lot of good support players with character, it’s time to go for a star.

        - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • TomNickle says:

          You know just as well as I do that the Habs use the middle and late rounds for their high upside picks. Gallagher – 5th round, Avtsin – 4th round, Trunev – 5th round.

          I understand what you’re saying which is why I’m in favour of Jurco or Jensen. These two players have the talent to be top five picks and to be honest, I would rather have one of them than Landeskog, Puempel or Jenner. Jensen and Jurco are still growing and have been producing excellent offense as young, undersized players. Guys like Jenner, Puempel and Landeskog are physically mature and won’t carry twenty pounds more than NHLers they go up against in the next few years.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Agree, they go for a very sensible risk-reward choice in the late rounds (grunts or project players are all that’s left anyway), but a 1st-round risk-reward choice isn’t crazy either and I’m hoping the Habs go that way.

            I’d probably be OK with Puempel though, wouldn’t make me jump for joy but at least the Habs are drafting a 6′ + player with some sweet goal-scoring hands. You always need a guy who can just finish a chance when he has one.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • TomNickle says:

            Puempel scores the majority of his goals in the blue paint. For a kid that won’t go beyond 210 and 6’1. I’m saying buyer beware. In junior you had better be able to score in all situations for your game to translate to the pro level. Another reason I don’t like Landeskog or Jenner.

            They really aren’t skilled offensively. Puempel is but doesn’t use it enough. He often gets lost on the ice and looks disinterested by the way.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Minnesota’s Mister Hockey.

    • issie74 says:

      Serious … this is a deep draft,no Crosby’s but it depends on who has that intangible thing that makes the management believe they will improve,PK had it.
      Am I wrong.

      NorthTOHab

    • D Mex says:

      No more compact models, eg : Locke, DD, MAB, … please !

      ALWAYS Habs -
      D Mex

    • JohnBellyful says:

      Praiseworthy prospect: Six foot, 200 lbs, with fists of steel but a goal-scorer’s hands
      Cringeworthy: Player who stands on tiptoes to go on amusement park rides.

    • Chris says:

      A goalie. If Gauthier used one of his picks in the first few rounds on a goalie, I will be disappointed.

      You can find goalies relatively cheaply outside the draft if needed. In the conference finals, Tim Thomas (the Conn Smythe Trophy winner and likely Vezina Trophy winner) was signed as a undrafted free agent out of the Finnish league. Antti Niemi was also signed as an undrafted free agent out of Finland. Luongo was a top-5 pick. Dwayne Roloson is a journeyman veteran that was signed as an undrafted free agent out of the NCAA after being nominated for the Hobey Baker Award.

      Montreal has an outstanding goalie in Price. A back-up that can play 20-30 games should be available, with Johan Hedberg, Brian Boucher, Ray Emery, Jose Theodore or Mike Smith all possible targets.

      • TomNickle says:

        Theodore? Hope that one slipped in there by mistake. ;)

        • D Mex says:

          Theodore = possible sideshow / probable distraction – no thanks.

          ALWAYS Habs -
          D Mex

        • Chris says:

          Nope…Theodore’s issues revolved around immaturity…a lot of water has flowed under the bridge since he was sent out of town, and he’s grown up a lot.

          He knows he’s not coming in anywhere as a starter. But he certainly could contribute as a back-up, and I have to think he’d be happy to finish his career in Montreal.

          And I never liked Jose Theodore when he was here, so take that into consideration.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        You honestly believe Jose Theodore will ever be brought back to MTL? Come on Chris, this is where his career effectively died as an up-and-comer. I can’t imagine a goalie being taken before the 4th round, not a lot of good names in this draft at that position anyway.

        - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • Chris says:

          I’m sure that people also said Patrice Brisebois could never be brought back, either. Yet he finished out his career, and was very happy to do so, here in Montreal.

          I think Theodore, in the role of a back-up, could be brought back to Montreal at this point in his career. The maturity issues that plagued him before his eventual trade have largely melted away, and I think a guy who has dealth with the death of his young child certainly has a better perspective on life than the party-happy Theodore we saw a decade ago.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        Ray Emery will get a hard look in Anaheim as Hiller is still unknown healthwise and they will want a sound back-up plan given the cumulative effect of concussions.

        I saw Emery play live 3-4 times for Ducks and he looked really good considering he hadn’t played in the NHL in a year and was coming off major surgery. He was calm and quick and took care of business. He’s also pretty big and very athletic and the Ducks sometimes chaotic (though talented) defense didn’t seem to fluster him.

        I think he has matured a lot (I was no fan of his in Ottawa) and if Ducks don’t keep him (I think they will) someone else will.

        We need a good backup for Price. We are an ice rut or puck off the head away from Alex Auld as our starter.

        We need to be smarter than that.

        • Chris says:

          I agree that Emery is unlikely…he is good enough to be a starter, and there seems to be a sentiment that he has grown up a bit.

          But if he’s still kicking around unsigned, I’d hope that Gauthier would swoop in to pick him up. I don’t want Price playing 70+ games again this season, so having a skilled back-up that knows their role would be a key acquisition this summer.

    • G-Man says:

      Any high school player from Minnesota.

    • Marc10 says:

      I would cringe if they passed on a kid with a mean streak. I miss Chris Nilan.

      “To be irreplaceable, you have to be different”.
      Andy Warhol

      Go PK Go!

      • LA Loyalist says:

        Hell, I miss Dave Manson. I miss Rick Green. I miss Craig Ludwig and his 20 year old shin-pads.

        I miss a long list of guys who if you came down their side of the ice with a bad attitude you were left wiggling your teeth.

        Nilan in his prime vs Chara? Not even close.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      No more smurfs.

      I want to keep DD and put big wingers with him if possible. I know it looks like he’s not a fit, but I like his skill and stones.

      The problem with Boston winning is that many GMs emulate them and we’ll be facing more Beaner/Philly type hockey. Whoever wins the cup always influences the overall game.

      Remember it was just last summer that everyone thought goalies were insignificant.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Looking at some video links from yesterday’s threads, I saw guys like Mike McPhee and Lyle Odelein and Tom Chorske, and I got all wistful for the days when the Canadiens farm system was chock-full of prospects. It seemed that whenever an injury struck, we had a guy who could step up and make a significant contribution, and who would stay with the big club because he played too well to be sent back down.

      So instead of drafting a specific player, my wish would be for the Canadiens to trade down in the draft if possible and get more picks and restock the cupboard. Any additional picks we can get from trading away Wiz’s rights, or Desharnais or Pouliot are welcome.

      I’m not thinking we can return to the days when we’d let guys like Robinson or Langway or Shutt marinate in Halifax for a year almost out of principle, but I want prospects in the pipeline.

      The NHL isn’t like the NFL, where your draft choices are pretty much plug and play, they’re 18 year old kids who have to be developed and polished. Let’s grab armfuls of these guys, spend a lot of resources on coaching and training them, and find a few Holmstroms and Byfugliens and Patrick Roys in the later rounds.

      ———————————
      “I hate the Bruins more than the Nordiques, who I hate more than the Flyers.”

  51. TomNickle says:

    Doug Harvey the GREATEST EVER

    • B915 says:

      TomNickle…..You must be really old…..I bet Doug Harvey was great…just not as great as #4

      • TomNickle says:

        Tim Horton was better than Orr too.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        No one doubts Bobby Orr was a great player, he took the transformation of the Dman which Doug Harvey was the first to do, and really established an offensive prowess by defenceman. He did it very well for 9 seasons (prob. more like 5 and 1/2 thanks to you morons hiring Dr. Nick from the Simpsons to f up his knees).

        So based on this argument of transforming a position, he was great. But you may want to read up on one Maurice Richard and what he did for the goal scoring forward position. You may also want to see how many times his greatness led to a cup victory. You may also want to read up on how much longer he consistently played the game.

        • Sean Bonjovi says:

          I heard Booby Orr was Mike Green with bad needs. Inflated offensive numbers because he didn’t play defence and he drafted off Phil Esposito. I never saw him play, but that’s what I heard.

          * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            I’m not sure where you heard that Bobby Orr “drafted off Phil”, whatever that’s supposed to mean. Either you’re outright trolling or you’re plain lazy and accepting a half-baked idea as plausible. Do some research.

            Bobby Orr twice led the league in scoring. He won the Norris half a dozen times. That’s all you need to know.

            Enough said.

            ———————————
            “I hate the Bruins more than the Nordiques, who I hate more than the Flyers.”

  52. habsfan0 says:

    Thank goodness for the salary cap. Because if it wasn’t for the constraints imposed by it, frankly I wouldn’t trust Habs management to try and trade for homeboy (and noted playoff choker) Roberto Luongo in return for BC native Carey Price. In regards to the salary cap..I guess every cloud has its silver lining.

    • Rugger says:

      Didn’t the Habs turn that one down before?

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Price for Luongo plausible two seasons ago. Last year, with Carey’s poor season, probably not.

      This year the idea is ludicrous.

      ———————————
      “I hate the Bruins more than the Nordiques, who I hate more than the Flyers.”

  53. B915 says:

    Bobby Orr the greatest EVER

    • Bugs says:

      In a world where Gretzky never played, I totally agree.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • JohnBellyful says:

      Thank you for allowing Hab fans the opportunity to complete the sentence.
      Bobby Orr the greatest EVER …
      Being a typically nice Canadiens supporter I’ll say: … to wear No. 4 for the Boston Bruins in the late ’60s, early ’70s.”
      Yeah, I suppose somethin’ to shout out. Thanks for droppin’ by.

    • NLhabsfan says:

      Isn’t that the guy that played in a water down league wobbly knees and that fake dive.

      • JohnBellyful says:

        That dive has got to be the most over-hyped, ballyhooed moment in Stanley Cup history. As if the Bruins were going to lose the series if BO hadn’t scored, as if he scored by batting the puck while in mid-air. And they made a statue of it?

      • B915 says:

        Yup water down league….Beleveau, Cournoyer,Dryden,F&P Mahovolich,Delvecchio,Howe,Esposito,Orr,Buyck,Lemaire,H Richared,Laperriere,Robinson,SSavard,Vachon,Giacomin,Cheevers,Plante,Keon,Ullman

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Let’s give credit where it’s due. The Bruins of the early 70′s were a decent team. Bobby Orr can be postulated as the greatest player ever, along with Gretzky and maybe two or three others.

        The play you’re referring to wasn’t a dive. To say so is misleading, a la Fox News. You can plainly see that he has his skate lifted as he was about to jump for joy, that’s why he’s horizontal in the famous picture. You may say it’s overhyped, that it’s spectacular but not a seminal hockey moment, but it’s not a dive.

        Bobby Orr is also a tragic figure in hockey history, having been betrayed by Alan Eagleson and embryonic sports orthopedic science.

        ———————————
        “I hate the Bruins more than the Nordiques, who I hate more than the Flyers.”

    • TomNickle says:

      Coming to a Hab site as a Bruin fan and trying to compare legends of years gone by probably isn’t the best idea. If you want to troll you can just throw the two day old Stanley Cup win in our faces. But in terms of greats who’ve played the game, you’re outgunned here. Try a Leaf site.

      • B915 says:

        Wow…got you going….just trying to get your mind off other things….We in Boston know that your Habs are the elite franchise of all time with some of the greatest players and teams ever. I do know the dissapointment of losing to the Canadiens and at least we got by you this year. Getting by your nemiss in the first round is huge and confidence builder…you were close this year and i’m sure it will be harder next year…enjoy your day and Happy Fathers Day to all you dads in Canada

        • TomNickle says:

          No you really didn’t get me going. You’re 18 Cups, 10 hall of famers and a bunch of class short of where the Habs are and have been over the years.

          And proof of the class comment is illustrated in every reaction your team President has to every bounce, goal, deflection, check, call and public address announcement made at every game he’s in attendance of. He’s a brat. A child, and he doesn’t deserve a Cup. Much like many of the players currently on the Bruins roster like Lucic, Chara, Boychuk, Ference, McQuaid, Recchi, Campbell and Thornton.

        • JohnBellyful says:

          I feel kinda bad now hiring a courier service to deliver you a bouquet of poison ivy. Don’t bother watering it.

        • issie74 says:

          Got that right B915 we are indeed the elite Team in this league.Thanks for recognizing that.

          NorthTOHab

    • G-Man says:

      Geez- Ray Bourque was better in a lot of ways than Orr.
      But Harvey and Robinson trump both of them for silverware (Stanley Cups).

    • kempie says:

      Alright dude. Your team has just won the Stanley Cup. Here’s some advice: Go to the liquor/beer store and pick up a carload of beers. Stop by the grocery store on the way home and grab a couple of nice big steaks. When you get home, call up some bros & invite them over. Then, go out in the backyard & crack one open. Place the beers in an ice-filled cooler and check & clean the grill to make sure it’s working & the tank is full. When your homies arrive, break out the lawn chairs and spend the afternoon knocking a few back while you relive the magnificence of your Cup run. AND TURN OFF THE DAMN COMPUTER!!! That’s how you do it. Trust me, I’ve done this a few times before. Now try and have a nice afternoon.

  54. Tony McLean says:

    Ian Bross writes in “Hockey’s Future on the Draft” that Max Pacioretty’s season ended “due to an unfortunate injury.” Is Ian Bross a pen name for Zdeno Chara?

    http://mcl-blog.blogspot.com

  55. V says:

    Been reading a lot about how Boston had the league on it’s side this year. That may be backwards… seems the league had Boston on it’s side.

    The style of play that the league wants to be known for shifts over time. Right now, it seems like it wants tough play and hard hitting… might be a reaction to the shift a few years ago to speed exemplified in the new rules and recent bad publicity over concussions. Afterall, there are many hockey people that are concerned the game could lose it’s edge. A desire for tough, hard play aligns to the Bruins stlye… three years ago they seemed out of step with where the league was moving and this year they were more in step than most because the league seems to have shifted. If this shift continues or gets even more pronounced, teams that play the Bruins stlye will continue to have an advantage.

    • D Mex says:

      An observation on your comment re : teams that play ‘ Bruins style ‘.

      The Bruins, themselves, don’t play this style all of the time, only when they can get away with it. I saw little of it at the Rogers centre during the SCF, altho the TD centre was a different story. Max went down at the Molson centre, and there was goonery late in that game – to make a point perhaps, but also because once Chara walked on the ‘ hockey play ‘, Boston knew it was carte blanche that night.

      Some posters suggest that Thornton, Lucic and Chara don’t act up when there is someone to oppose them – believe the word ‘ coward ‘ might have been used once or twice. That is extreme IMO, but the idea is sound. They conducted themselves differently when BGL was dressed and healthy, and a more recent example of this was the Boston – Philly series, which didn’t play out as expected.

      Bullies act out when they can get away with it. The minute they’re opposed, by capable individuals or the league, they back off. League officials can be a waste of time, so I would like to see one or two capable individuals in the Habs lineup, just to be sure.

      ALWAYS Habs -
      D Mex

  56. ooder says:

    hey quick question guys… people keep talking about the bruins owner Jacob’s and that it influences the NHL decision in regards to the bruins.. just wondering who is this guy? how does he relate to the NHL and why does Bettman/Cambell care about making this particular owner happy

    ——————
    Gomez: 36 and counting!

    • TomNickle says:

      He’s the Chariman of the Board of Governors, the owner of the Bruins, and one of the wealthiest owners in the NHL.

    • Tony McLean says:

      Bruins owner Jacobs negotiated Bettman’s new $36,000,000 (7.2/yr.) five year contract on behalf of the owners.

      http://mcl-blog.blogspot.com

    • ooder says:

      aah ok thanks you guys….
      well i guess since he made Bettman so much money, he returned the favor
      ——————
      Gomez: 36 and counting!

      • JohnBellyful says:

        Hello, Commissioner Bettman speaking. How can I help you?
        — Betts, Jeremy here. Hey, you’ve helped me already. Once. Just called to remind you about the second part of the contract extension.
        Mr. Jacobs, I really appreciate what you’ve done for me and I was happy to do what I can to get you what wanted, but, Mr. Jacobs, you still want to go ahead with the second part of the deal, so soon?
        — Listen, son, you do as you’re told or I’ll arrange for Marchand and Lucic to be your house guests for the summer. Trust me, you won’t like it. So don’t waste my time whinin’. Get on it or I’ll be lookin’ for a new commissioner. Don’t worry. You won’t be outta work. I could use a new chauffeur.
        Okay, okay, Mr. Jacobs, I’ll do it. I’ll see what I can dig up on the 1990, 1998, 1977 and 1978 Stanley Cup champions and see if there’s anything there that would disqualify them and make the Bruins retroactive champs. I know they’ve done it in university sports but, Mr. Jacobs, I don’t think we’re going to have much luck.
        — Luck’s not nothing to do with it, boy, as you well know. Now, relax, I got faith in you. You got the Bruins one championship. I know you can get us a few others.

    • issie74 says:

      He is Jermey Jacobs one of the Jacobs brother’s.They started in the concession business (HOT DOGS) he is now Chairman of the Board of Directors of the NHL (the big boss) you can google him for more info.

      NorthTOHab

  57. kalevine says:

    Even forgetting my anti-Bruins bias, which I admit runs very deep, I can’t see how this series compares to the other 7 game finals in entertainment value and tension, let alone to some of the shorter series we’ve seen. All 4 games that Boston won were laughers, the Canucks humiliated by a better prepared team playing as a unit and a goalie who was virtually unstoppable. Sorry, that doesn’t cut it as a classic series.

    • arcosenate says:

      I think Red was actually watching Glee.

    • Habfan4lfe says:

      Actually the sentiments I have around me from everyone I spoke to are. The NHL “gave” Boston the cup. All through the playoffs and even before, Boston got away with a lot of crap, avoided suspensions at every turn. Refereeing very biased, including the suspension handed out and Thomas was full of it.

      Let’s see how great Thomas is after the summer. People want to say how great he was but all I saw was a blob in net and the puck hit him. Sure he made the odd good save but overall the puck hit him. Calling him anything other than lucky is a joke.

      My favorite line from Boston series.. Sedin getting punched and referee response “I was going to call it”. Hahahaha! Ya he was but Bettman and Campbell told him not too.

      • B915 says:

        Habfan4lf…your a blob and blind no goalie was better than Thomas the whole year even your Price boy….maybe Sedin should have hit back eh? Excuses are for losers,stop your crying and just get ready for next year.

  58. HabinBurlington says:

    In my opinion the 4 most powerful/influential franchises in the NHL are Boston, NYR, Philadelphia and Toronto (Toronto controls CBC, Philly the Comcast ownership, Boston has Jacobs and New York is New York) coincidentally all 4 of these teams have GM’s and philosophies which are eerily similar.

    Would it not be a sensible move for Montreal, Detroit, Chicago, Washington, Vancouver, SanJose, Los Angeles, Tampa, Pittsburgh to more or less get together and enforce that a skilled game be rewarded with proper enforcement of the Rule Book and Suspensions? How much longer will the skilled oriented teams put up with this garbage?

    • B915 says:

      You make no sense

    • Bugs says:

      You’re not…CRYING, are you, Burly?
      C’mon, man.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        No Bugs, I probably didn’t articulate very well. But there clearly seems to be a division in what teams feel the direction the league is taking as it relates to Rule enforcement and Punishment to various hits. Seems to me, most of the teams I mentioned in the 2nd group have been or are trying to avoid going the route of hiring goons to protect their players, thus counting on the league. But this is not happening, so why not let the numbers speak, and have a majority cause the league to smarten up? Hey, if it ain’t gonna happen, we then have to hire the right personal and protect ourselves.

        • Bugs says:

          Soooo, you’re sayin: mix up the whole league, time-zones be damned, and create two conferences, one with all the “goons” and one with all the “skilled guys who don’t wanna fight”?
          Is that it? Good luck sellin that. “Ok, you guys are goons, so you’ll play on this side, and you guys are pansies, so you’re gonna be on THIS side.”
          -”Uh, excuse me?”
          -”Uh, what’d you call me?”
          Yeah, good luck with that, Burly.
          Your second idea however, is far more practical: get our own bruisers to lay down some smackdown and fight fire with fire, preferably a BIGGER fire.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Bugs, I am obviously not splainin’ myself well. I simply mean for these teams GM’s / Owners at their meetings to stand up for themselves. And demand the league quit its hypocritical stance on half the bullshit hits etc… we see in the league. Instead what happens, they don’t do a thing about it, then when theyr’e team is the victim they scream blue murder. Montreal when Max Pac got hit, Pittsburgh when Crosby gone, Vancouver Raymond gone, etc….

            No league changes to divisions etc.., i am not that bird brained, maybe closer than i think however.

          • Bugs says:

            So you’re not cryin but you want the GMs to cry to the league at their meetings? Curious to see who would take the lead on that…Burke, maybe?
            And uhh…what “bullspit hit” did Mtl deliver before screamin blue murder for the Pac-Man hit?
            The Kostopoulos suspension?
            GMs want players to be safe, Burly. But unpunished violence has LONG been a trend of the league. Only the relatively recent additions of size and speed to the game has put this more into evidence is all.
            Until all players are fitted with microchips and officiated by computer, there is no reason to think that some won’t get away with blue murder anyway, regardless of any new rules.
            And for my part, that’s the game I like.
            Sometimes you eat the bar; sometimes, it eats you. And I’m cool with that. Cryin ain’t gonna do nuthin.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Brul – you’re explaining yourself very well. Bugz is just being a dick.

          • D Mex says:

            Absolutely correct.
            He seems to think he is some kind of legend here. He is incapable of absorbing what is said AND play the role of filibustin’ nimrod, so he ignores the message and writes what is glib.

            Take a look thru the ‘ Bummer ‘ thread yesterday and you’ll see that I called him on making dumbass jokes about the mess in Vancouver, he’s kept his mouth shut on a retort – so far.
            Too bad it’s buried so far back, but do feel free to point him my way if he wants to try real time.

            ALWAYS Habs -
            D Mex

          • Bugs says:

            By “kept his mouth shut on a retort”, D-Mex of course means “delivered such a beautifully crafted retort that is only matched by the filibustin, legend-makin glibness of its emitter.”
            For future reference, Dee, make sure there IS no retort before claiming there isn’t because you then appear uninformed which, you will agree, doesn’t help your credibility in asserting I’m unable to…”retort”.
            Right?

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • D Mex says:

        Your comments on what transpired in Vancouver are glib and classless. You’d be wise to avoid the word ‘ credibility ‘ – road kill has more credibility than what you wrote yesterday.

        ALWAYS Habs -
        D Mex

        • Bugs says:

          Now, you’re changing the subject. First, you said “I kept my mouth shut on a retort” and now that that affirmation has been completely dashed, you change gears and come at me from PREVIOUS angle, one I ALREADY defended myself on. (See above) Repetition = no new evidence.
          Checkmate.
          I’m done with this witness, Your Honor.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • Caballero says:

      I would rather we get a few key players and solve the Bruins the way we solved the broad street bullies.

    • Tony McLean says:

      I’m reasonably sure there are unofficial ‘alliances’ backstage and that Ken Holland is leading the ‘hockey alliance.’

      http://mcl-blog.blogspot.com

    • G-Man says:

      That’s about right. I would not be surprised if Philly gets the “Campbell treatment” next season.

  59. HardHabits says:

    The new NHL rules were supposed to stop clutching and grabbing. There was nothing in them to take away physicality from the game.

    As far as rules go, the one rule I’d like to see taken out of the game is the hand pass in the defensive zone. I’d even go farther. No hands (gloves) should ever touch the puck. If it’s done in the defensive zone it should be a delay of game penalty.

    That rule change alone would IMO increase scoring.

    • JohnBellyful says:

      They also should allow players to kick in goals. As long as the skate blade doesn’t leave the ice and risk injuring someone.
      Players get away with using their sticks with billy clubs and lances, why not allow feet to become offensive weapons.

      • HardHabits says:

        This isn’t soccer.

        • JohnBellyful says:

          Well, it’s sure as hell isn’t hockey any more.

          • JohnBellyful says:

            I would also argue that penalizing hand passes would minimally increase scoring in the NHL whereas you’re more likely see goals directly result from kicking, given how many times players are held in and around the net, often illegally, but are still in a position to make a play with their feet.
            You’re right, the NHL isn’t soccer. But it allowed itself to become the WWE which, for many fans, is a disaster.

      • arcosenate says:

        It should not be restricted to scoring alone, if you really want to open the game up there should be three surprise kicks awarded to each team per game. You can kick the goalie or any other skater but only three times. And you have to yell “surprise” when you do it otherwise you get a misconduct and the player you kicked gets to kick you. But he has to yell “surprise” as well or he gets a misconduct too and the original kicker gets to kick him again, but he has to yell “surprise” or he gets a misconduct and the player he kicked gets to kick him, but he has to yell “surprise”…

        • HalifaxHabs says:

          lol @ yelling surprise

          • JohnBellyful says:

            Arco’, I don’t know. Havin’ the players yell ‘Surprise’? I like the ambush element myself and players are accustomed to committing fouls without warning their intended victims. This would be too much for them to assimilate. Let them kick away, consequences be damned. Should increase the American television audience.

    • Bugs says:

      In hockey, if you’re not cheating, you’re not trying.
      Rules, rules, rules, we’ll still obstruct whenever we can and hack and gouge when the ref ain’t lookin.
      Nature of the game.
      If WE had scored the go-ahead goal on an uncalled spear or if we had had the Halpern head-shot called…ebb and flow of destiny, man. “Rules” didn’t help us any then.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      If there really is a half second guideline for late hits as opposed to finishing the check, I’d love to see it applied. It has become ridiculous. If Rome offended, I have seen later hits.

  60. HabFanSince72 says:

    He’s the only Vancouverite who scored on the road.

  61. habitual says:

    Serious, are you around? If so, what is the deal with Conboy, a guy with size, something we need?

  62. NCRhabsfan says:

    Red must have his rose-coloured glasses on! Really, Red, you think people are going to remember this as a great final? I think, sad as it may be, that people are going to remember the wildly inconsistent rulings out of the league office, the Horton hit, Marchand punching Sedin in the face, the endless whinning and complaining, Bettman getting booed while trying to hand out the brass and finally, the riot that ended a complete mess of a series.

    All this SCF proved is that sometimes the bad guys do win. The Bruins are a dirty team. I’m not talking about Boychuck’s big hits and the grinding on the boards, I’m talking about Lucic hitting Moore after the game was over, Bruins punching Hedman, with seconds left (Moore and Hedman are hardly physical players) in a one sided loss, Ference knocking Halpern silly away from the puck, Boychuck driving Raymond into the boards when he had to know he had him in an extremely vulnerable position and Marchand punching the leagues leading scorer in the face 5 times with no response because “he felt like it”. The legacy that this is more likely to leave is one where teams decide they need to have some guys to take justice into their own hands, since obviously the league is not prepared to. Teams like Boston are bad for the game (unless of course you think the game is about two-handed slashes, face washes and cheap shot hits). Their success is even worse, because it will inspire teams to emulate them. This happened before, remember the Broad Street bullies?

    I think people will remember this season as being like a very good book with a very bad ending, not as one of the all-time great finals.

    • DENEWF says:

      Well said, NCR, well said.

    • JohnBellyful says:

      It’s hard to stave off depression with the way this league has debased itself in recent years, but especially this past season. The NHL should set term limits on the commissioner’s office; the current office-holder is well past his best before date (and I will argue if he had a ‘best’ in him to begin with).

    • B915 says:

      NCRhabsfan…no mention of your Habs? Of course they are angels.
      Lousy final because your Habs were not in it.

      • Caballero says:

        I can’t remember the last time Habs players broke a guy’s neck and another’s back. But I forgot, you Boston fans pride yourself on that. He broke his friggin neck! lol etc…

    • Caballero says:

      You have eloquently and clearly stated what I have been feeling. Great post. There is no question that the league doing nothing is a clear statement to teams to protect themselves by getting bigger and meaner players which will lead to more injuries and more of this nonsense.

    • Rugger says:

      Hopefully, history will repeat itself and once the “Bullies” are knocked off by a skill team there will be 18 years of skill teams winning the cup. 75-76 Habs thru 92-93 Habs.

      • Tony McLean says:

        The glory stopped in ’79. Dryden and Pollack left and the quick fade was on. Nothing ’til the lucky (Oilers eliminated early) ’86 steal by St. Patrick. Those were lean years. There certainly has been no CH dynasty since ’79. The ’93 team had many good players and Patrick was sublime, 10 OT wins which will never be matched. But ’79-date has been awful with very few exceptions. And no superstar since with the exception of Roy. Sad.

        http://mcl-blog.blogspot.com

  63. HabinBurlington says:

    Question to the Habs Faithful.

    How important to making a good trade is it for the GM to be either well respected/liked per se within the GM fraternity in the NHL? My reason for asking is I wonder how PG is viewed by the rest of the league’s GM’s. There are times where I think being too shrewd of a GM leaves others scared to deal with you because they are afraid of being pillaged.

    I just have a hard time getting a read on what PG’s philosophy is and how he is viewed by rest of league.

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      I have no doubt that a GM’s reputation amongst his peers, has a major impact on his ability to make deals around the league.

      The thing is, it’s a very tight click, and in most cases that type of information(other GM’s personal opinons of him) would never be made public.

      So were just left to guess. Good thing we have this site as a sounding board, lol.

    • G-Man says:

      These days, most trades are simply problem contract exchanges. Unless it’s a Habs player wanting out. Then, it becomes a fire sale. Lapierre for a 5th rounder? Talk about getting no value back at all.
      All the GMs know each other and are aware of all the other teams’ problems. It makes it difficult to make a trade that is really advantageous to one side or the other.
      PG’s philosophy is what we have seen on the ice for 10/11: speed with skill. Injuries killed the Habs this season, just like it did for many clubs.

  64. lefreak says:

    The Gazette really dropped the ball on this limited article thing. They responded to having an outdated business model by taking a page from the music industry (which hasn’t worked for them either.). We live in a day where even respected magazines like Time will send you hard copies for free (for a whole year) and concentrate on ad revenue to compensate. If you look at the people who have done this the right way, their readership has stayed strong all while remaining financially viable and making a profit.

    The only one that will lose out because of this will be The Gazette itself. Diminished readers will equate to diminished advertising, which will in turn lead to less staff and articles from local sources.

    With all of the options a reader has via the internet, this new policy is laughable. I can imagine it must of been the idea of a 50+ year old marketing director with no actual scope on how media is consumed today. Way too go on taking something already outdated, and pushing it closer to the abyss. Take a long look at the world today and wake up, before you wake up to the bankruptcy of a Montreal institution that has been around for centuries.

    The quality of the Gazette has suffered over the last few years, this move is beyond perplexing. This isn’t a complaint so much as a wise word of wisdom. I’m not too bothered by this, I have limitless options today as an end user to consume the media that i want, when i want it. Life will not be as kind to the Gazette if they keep it up.

    Good luck, you’ll need more than that.
    Jason.

    • G-Man says:

      Good point, but “free” information is a tough pill to swallow for old newsprint types.
      To me, this is a fight over quality of information, and not just being rumour mongers. Real journalists must have the story corroborated by more than 1 source. Bloggers can type any crap they want with impunity.

      That being said, The Gazette as a printed newspaper is pretty much doomed. I only purchase it on the weekend for the TV Times. I read most articles on-line and can access the same story from multiple sources, so paying for it is not an option.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      They tried this once before if memory serves.

    • Sami says:

      I agree. I can no longer read the Gazette daily for free…..moving on to other sources…..

  65. JohnBellyful says:

    I wonder if a deal could be made with Vancouver. Gomez might just be the missing element a team of that caliber needs to win the Stanley Cup. He’d be ahead of Lapierre, Malhotra and Hodgson on the depth charts (theoretically) and he’s already proven he’s an able third-line centre, which would make for a nice fit with H. Sedin and Kessler. He could handle PK and PP duties (now, now, that’s not nice, PP doesn’t stand for Poor Play), and he would be a hit with the news media, which the Sedins and Luongo would probably appreciate not having to answer as many questions next year.
    Gomez would also draw in a huge contingent of Alaska fans, should Vancouver need to fill seats vacated by long-suffering Canuck fans disgusted by the team’s performance in the final.
    And think of the intangibles Gomez would bring to the team. C’mon, think harder.
    Well, the Canucks could use some character and Gomez is some character. Not to mention a dressing room leader.
    And I believe the team has cap space to take on his salary. (If not, I’m sure the brilliant Mike Gillis could come up with something.)
    One final plus in Gomez joining Vancouver. He’s played his entire career in the East and he’s got TWO Stanley Cup rings so he knows what it takes to win big, especially against Eastern foes.
    PG, I apologize if I’ve spilled the beans on the mammoth trade you’re working on.
    Hey, gang, I was just kiddin’. Just makin’ it up as I went.
    Excuse me, I just got a tweet from HockeyBuzz I have to answer.

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      LOL… nice one John, maybe The Canucks will take Spacek too.

      • JohnBellyful says:

        I neglected to mention one downside to the trade — didn’t want to kill the deal by bringing it up — but if Gomez were to have another season like the one just ended, we could very well see another riot in Vancouver next summer (and hooligans don’t need much of an excuse to wreak havoc).

  66. JF says:

    Unlike the Blackhawks last year, the Bruins will not face salary cap problems going into next season, which means they’ll have substantially the same team, minus Mark Recchi and almost certainly Tomas Kaberle. They’ll try to get even better, and, if they don’t repeat as Champions, are at least likely to remain among the top teams for the next few seasons (or longer if they keep finding ways to get high draft picks from other teams).

    The Habs have to find a way to match them. Some of the pieces are in place, but Pierre Gauthier will have to use a lot of resourcefulness and creativity to build this team into an elite one. One of the problems is that we have few draft picks, partly a result of Gainey’s practice of giving up picks in late season trades for short-term benefits and of letting free agents walk on July 1. Gauthier needs to do a better job in this respect. If players acquired for picks are not being re-signed, he should try and trade their rights before free agency. This summer, James Wisniewski is our most valuable free agent (apart from Markov, who I’m counting on seeing in a Habs jersey in the fall). There are only a couple of weeks to go; if, as I expect, Wisniewski is not being re-signed, I hope to hear that his rights have been traded. Apart from adding more muscle and scoring to the present team, I think that stocking up on draft picks is Gauthier’s most pressing task going forward.

    • G-Man says:

      The only way that team continues doing well is with the continued aid of the NHL head office and the refs and linesmen.

      • JF says:

        I think you’re letting your anger over how the year unfolded get in the way of clear thinking. The Bruins certainly seemed to have the League on their side last season, but it doesn’t alter the fact that they’re one of the best teams in the East and likely to remain so for years, a team we’ll have to beat during the regular season and the playoffs to advance. We’ll need very clever management of our assets to stay competitive, and one area that needs improvement is management of draft picks.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          JF, another interesting article from Damien Cox in thestar today. I normally can’t stand his writings but this is a pretty good summary of not only the final, but what to expect next year.
          http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nhl/article/1010453–cox-first-decision-for-canucks-what-to-do-with-roberto-luongo

          • issie74 says:

            Anything written by Damien Cox … should be completely disregarded.
            I can’t understand why Bob McGowan ever let Damien become a part of his show.
            Jim Kelly he ain’t.

            NorthTOHab

          • Old Bald Bird says:

            After the Pax-Chara incident, I told DC that I was unfollowing him because I had decided he was nothing more than a highly paid troll. Of course, he couldn’t let it go and had to message me a few times. If I had kept replying, I think he’d still be at it.

        • G-Man says:

          If the league is a level playing field without bias, Boychuk would have been suspended for breaking Raymond’s back. The most sickening thing around here is people actually think they are anything more than thugs allowed to run amok without any consequences from Daddy Campbell.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            G – I don’t disagree they get away with “murder”, problem is the NHL seems to clearly be establishing that they will continue to do so. Brendan Shanahan was no saint on the ice, I can’t see him reverting the rules committee back to the hockey we were promised 3 years ago. Daddy Campbell still works for NHL Head office, it is BS for anyone to believe he won’t have influence. Hell, Murphy called Burke for advice, no way people won’t be going to Colon all the time for the same advice.

          • issie74 says:

            People … the Gahden was so empty they had to bring in Kid’s Clubs to fill the seats.The NHL has to let Boston play the goon hockey to keep filling the seats.
            Jack Edwards was on Hockey Central with Doug McLean on the Fan 590 after the fiasco with Dallas and Montreal … and he told McLean … this is Bruins hockey and they y(The Bruins) intend to play Bruins hockey the rest of the way.
            They did.

            NorthTOHab

        • NCRhabsfan says:

          But had the league stopped their silliness, beginning with the Chara hit on MaxPAx, with a hefty suspension or two, how does that affect them later on in the play-offs. When your style depends on intimidation and nasty away from the play shots to take opponents off their game, what happens when the league’s disciplinarians take that away from you with better in-game officiating and strong sanctions for the more egregious infractions? Are you able to shut down the Sedin’s as effectively if you can’t punch them in the face when you feel like it. Maybe. It would be interesting to see. As it was, Boston could play this series doing anything they wanted with confidence that they would not be punished if they crossed the line. Change that and I think you change everything.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            That is the very krux of the problem. They clearly picked and chose when they would enforce those big penalities and suspensions.

      • HardHabits says:

        @G-Man: Seriously dude. Your incessant whining is getting tiresome. Man up please.

        Vancouver lost because they got out-coached. Had Vigneault looked at how the Habs or TBL played against the Bruins, had they trapped in Boston rather than try to run and gun, the Canucks IMO would have won the Cup. That’s not to mention that Luongo was coached by Melanson. We saw how well that worked with Price.

        • G-Man says:

          Man up yourself- they lost because Rome got a suspension he didn’t deserve and Boychuk got nothing for breaking Raymond’s back. Outcoached my ass. The man is nothing but the head thug leading a group of thugs.

          • issie74 says:

            Yes HH … And little bitty Jack Edwards will tell you that to your face,just as he told it to Doug McLean.

            NorthTOHab

          • JF says:

            Not only were they out-coached, but their goaltender was inconsistent, their attack was frustrated by the Bruins’ excellent defensive play, and they couldn’t beat Thomas. Yes, the officiating was incompetent and the Bruins got a lot of breaks, but I don’t think that dictated the outcome.

            If, as you seem convinced, the League is rigged to favour the Bruins, why should that change next year? Taking your conviction to its logical conclusion, the playing field will be tilted in the Bruins’ favour as long as their owner has as much influence as he does. So we’d better just get used to it. The Habs have to become good enough to beat the Bruins at their own game even with the League on their side.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      “they’ll have substantially the same team, ”

      They’ll need to have substantially the same luck to repeat.

    • NL_habs_fan says:

      The key to the Bruins success is Thomas, He’s 37 years old, who knows how much he has left. He could have another year like ’09 or ’11 but he may have another year like ’10. The Habs weren’t far behind the bruins this season I expect next season they’ll be much closer.

      On another slightly related note, anyone else think we’ll see an increase in the value of goalies? Last year goalies we’re cheap in the offseason after whatshisname and the other feller went to the Cup finals. This year we had two Vezina Candidates go head to head.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        very good point NL, Chicago/Detroit had both shown success with what were perceived to be average goalies. Thomas showed the value of a hot goalie and Luongo showed the problems when your goalie isn’t hot.

        • issie74 says:

          OMG … I Can’t believe you guys did you watch the games Timmy swimming around on his belly and Chara in the net playing goalie or Ryder or Boychuck sometimes five Bruins some in the net some in front. It reminded me of Halak and the Habs.

          NorthTOHab

      • HalifaxHabs says:

        Despite how I feel about how poorly the NHL handled discipline issues this year, I have to agree that the biggest reason the Bruins won is Tim Thomas.

        One can only hope that at 37, he doesn’t have anymore full seasons like that left in him. That and the only goalie to really challenge him in the playoffs, was our 23 yr old stud of a goalie who’s going to keep improving.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      JF you make good points, James Mirtle in the Globe has an article discussing the exact same thing. Boston is bringing back the same lineup and probably a better Seguin (we can hope for a sophomore slump, even though his rookie season was basically highlighted by 1 great playoff game). Losing Recchi is interesting, I lost alot of respect for him this year, but I think he was a big part of that dressing room. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Lucic’s, Marchands heads swell to massive proportions and create some issues.

      End of day though yeah, they will still be a hard team to beat next year. But I think we are just a better grinding line and an additional power forward away from giving them fits with speed and grit.

    • LNev says:

      Unfortunately while the Boston Bruins were off competing for, and eventually winning, the Stanley Cup; the Toronto Maple Leafs were hard at work rebuilding the Boston Bruins with good young talent and draft picks that should keep them competitive for years.

  67. Viruk42 says:

    What I find most interesting with the riots is the opinions of so many that this was some sort of unique event. The only people I’ve seen who haven’t thought it was unique brought up Montreal riots.

    They seem to be forgetting some cities. Pretty much all of Europe (soccer hooligans) to start, and most of North America. For example, at the University of Maryland in 2002 when their basketball team won the national title. Or in 2003 when the University of Minnesota won the national hockey championship. How about in 1999, when Michigan State University lost to Duke in the NCAA Final Four? In 1998, Denver Broncos fans rioted, while they had “near-riots” in 1997 for the Broncos, as well as 96 and 01 for the Avalanche. Oakland in 2003 rioted after the Raiders lost the super bowl. Lakers fans in 2000 stormed the streets of LA after they won the NBA finals.

    Oh, and don’t forget Boston. I’ve seen some say they deserved the win more since Vancouver rioted. Well, how about the Boston baseball riots in 2003, 2004, and 2009? There were riots after the Celtics won in 2008, and after the Patriots won in 2003. They even rioted after UMass Amherst was eliminated from some football championship back in 2006.

    These people living in their glass houses should really think twice about throwing stones…

    • higginrs says:

      Excellent post.

      You nailed it. The media is so guilty of “forgetting” sports history so that it can generate more viewership through this “SHOCKING” event.

      There is nothing shocking about the Vancouver riots, except how poorly some people actually behave, and unfortunately, that’s not all that shocking either. Look at the news to see how poorly humans behave whether at the bottom of society or the top. We’ve got politicians wagging their wieners everywhere, we got a dictator in Libya slaughtering his own ppl to hold power, and so on.

      Shame on all the media pundits who generate, even motivate, these riots through their sensationalizing of these event. In a “24hour new cycle” how many times did I need to see the girl lying on the street making out with her boyfriend (ya, HIO, you’re guilty too!)? And how many times do I need to see Rodney King… er… anonymous big white guy (aka Good Samaritan) get beat by raging crowd. Screw the media for their hypocrisy – they love this crap!

  68. geo_habsgo says:

    That’s some great photo journalism! It’s cool when things like this can get captured on camera.

    On the the draft, I have this feeling that the Habs are going to come up big. We are getting our hands on a real gem of a player I’m sure. I hope Boston picks a dud with their ninth pick.

  69. On Draft day the Habs needs to get a gritty 4th line with size. Look these guys up for starters.

    Steve MacIntyre (Edm)

    Michael Rupp (Pit)

    Brad Winchester (Ana)

    Mark Mancari (Buf)

    Send Gomez to Hamilton and sign Jaromar Jagr and have a line-up something like this?

    Jagr – Plekanec- Cammalleri

    Gionta – Eller – Pacioretty

    Mancari – White – AK46

    Winchester – Rupp – MacIntyre

    Darche

    Markov – Wisniewski

    Subban – Weber or Yelemin

    Gorges – Gill

    Spacek

    Price

    That lin-up above would compete against the Bruins anyday and lay a beating on them like they did to our Habs last season. All others that are not mention are tradeable in a package deal. Just have to wait and see how PG is going to do? Go Habs Go!!!! Get er done!!!!

    • Stuck_in_To. says:

      I prefer when the Habs have the jets to keep their legs moving and avoid those beatings. And as for Jagr, I admit he still has skill but he has had no heart since some time during his tenure in Pittsburgh. Do you really want the guy who played for the Rangers?

    • showey47 says:

      Eller might not even be ready for training camp due to his shoulder surgery. I will all depend on how his rehab goes. Not being able to do upperbody works outs this summer is going to set back his development this year.

  70. Old Bald Bird says:

    From Red: “However, hockey is the biggest winner…. It doesn’t get better than a championship series needing seven games to decide a winner.”

    Really?

  71. HalifaxHabs says:

    Ok PG, you waited until after the Cup was awarded.. now start announcing those RFA contracts.

  72. HabFanSince72 says:

    Your morning Stanley Cup Quiz (all questions refer to the post-expansion period).

    1. Barring the ’06 Canes, which was the worst team to win the Stanley Cup?

    2. Barring Jean Perron, who was the worst coach to win the Stanley Cup?

    3. Barring the Bobby Clarke era Flyers, which Stanley Cup winning team were the most offensive undignified unsporting bunch of miscreants?

    4. Barring the Trap-era NJ Devils, which team’s Stanley Cup victory signaled dark times ahead for the sport we love?

    (Note: all the answers have something in common.)


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