News of Robinson, Dudley, Doan, Chelios and Brodeur

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Here are a few items worth reading, looking at and listening to.

First, Dave Stubbs — who broke the story Sunday and was right on top of the situation from the outset — had this piece in The Gazette on Larry Robinson signing with the Sharks to be assistant coach under Todd McLellan. Here’s a Q&A with Larry from the Sharks website and it’s clear reading it that one consideration in Robinson making a choice about leaving the Devils and going elsewhere was to be near his grandchildren, who live in Southern California.

— Elsewhere, Rick Dudley, the assistant GM and consigliere for Habs GM Marc Bergevin, spoke on Sunday over Toronto’s SportsNet Radio Fan 590 on a variety of topics. Here’s the link for that interview with Norm Rumack. Dudley discussed the Habs draft — in which he didn’t participate — and a wide variety of other issues.

Asked if the Habs are done with roster moves for the upcoming season, Dudley chuckled and replied, “If the right situation evolves, we’d be certainly interested. We’re a team that wants to win and our owner is committed to that and Marc Bergeron [sic] is committed to that also. So if the right deal existed, whether it’s a trade or a free agent signing — I know there’s not a ton of guys left but there’s a few left that could help a lot of teams — and we’re still looking.” Dudley also comments on a number of team situations around the NHL and it’s worth hearing, if just to get an idea of his grasp of talent around the league.

— One of the free agents who apparently interests the Habs is Shane Doan, the Coyotes captain. He’s postponed exploring his options as an unrestricted free agent until this week to give Greg Jamison, who is trying to buy the Coyotes from the NHL, a chance to see whether the convoluted political, legal and financial situations will line up in his favor. If Jamison’s bid doesn’t look clear to proceed yet by early this week, Doan would be forced to explore his options.

Over the weekend, Sarah McLellan of The Arizona Republic named the Habs as one of the teams that had inquired about Doan with his agent Terry Bross. There could be around a dozen teams chasing him if he decides to move on after spending his entire career with the Jets/Coyotes franchise.

— Chris Chelios’ son Jake is in the Blackhawks prospect camp, which should make you feel old if you remember Chelly playing for the Habs. Jake is 21 and plays defence for Michigan State. Asked if there are any similarities between his style and his father’s, Jake laughed and answered, “The slashing and cross-checking. I don’t know if that works anymore, (but) back in his day that was considered a skilled game.”

Jake was born after Chris was traded to the Blackhawks in 1990 but his brother Dean, who plays forward for Michigan State, was born in Montreal while Dad was still a Hab. Here’s the story on Jake from Chris Kuc of The Chicago Tribune.

Dean is participating in the Red Wings development camp this week where Chris is helping run things.

— As long as we’re talking about sons of future Hall of Famers, Marty Brodeur’s 17-year-old son Anthony is also a goaler and eligible for the Entry Draft next year. He’s been playing at the prestigious Minnesota prep school Shattuck St. Mary’s and, according to NHL.com, he’s currently ranked as a C-list prospect by Central Scouting, meaning he’d go anywhere from the fourth to seventh round next June. Of course, that could change during next season.

Anthony was born in New Jersey but is a dual citizen because his parents were born in Quebec, Marty in Montreal and his mother Melanie Dubois in Saint-Liboire. For hockey purposes, Anthony’s home country is determined once he represents either Canada or the U.S. internationally after his 18th birthday.

On game nights when he was a youngster, Anthony would play goal against other children of Devils players on the tiled floor near the press room and family lounge in the basement of the old Meadowlands Arena. I watched him a few times just knocking around with his peers and he was surprisingly good then for a little guy (and from SportsNet.ca, here’s a photo of him as a 5-year-old a dozen years ago on the ice at the Devils old East Rutherford, NJ home) and he’s clearly pretty good now.

By the way, the Entry Draft next year will be in New Jersey.

That’s the original version.

734 Comments

  1. vanejorg says:

    Here is what needs to be done.

    1. Howson is contacted and asked if Rick Nash is willing to come to Montreal, along with Steve Mason. In return they can have
    Carey Price, David Desharnais, Danny Kristo, another forward, in
    the minors, or in the team. They must agree to take Scott Gomez, and that pip-squeak Brian Gionta, to allow us cap space, for Rick Nash. They can have $10 million dollars in cash also.
    This way we get a bonafide power forward all-star in exchange really for that super “bum” Price, and nothing more really.

    2. Shea Weber for P.K. Subban, Tomas Kaberle, Rafael Diaz, Brendan Gallagher(another pip-squeak that DOES NOT belong in the NHL) or similar combinations(don’t trade Galchenyuk, Beaulieu, or Tinordi, but they can have anyone else in juniors, or in the minors).

    Les Canadiens become an immediate Stanley Cup contender, while ridding themselves of players that will NEVER amount to anything in the NHL, or are washed up….Carey Price, P.K. Subban, Brendan Gallagher, Danny Kristo, Scott Gomez, Brian Gionta, etc.

    I know that a lot of people are high on SOME of these players that I just listed, but they are STUPID…..and HIGH!!!…lol. Get rid of them. F off.

    Now imagine this lineup.

    Goal

    Steve Mason Cedrik Desjardins

    Defense

    Shea Weber Andrei Markov (C)
    Alexei Emelin Francis Bouillon
    Josh Gorges Yannick Weber
    Rafael Diaz Frederic St. Denis
    Jarred Tinordi Nathan Beaulieu (these bottom two in the future)

    Forwards

    Max Pacioretty Tomas Plekanec Erik Cole
    Rick Nash Alex Galchenyuk Colby Armstrong
    Travis Moen Lars Eller Louis LeBlanc
    Brandon Prust Ryan White Petr Nokelainen

    Les Canadiens are, at the very least, Stanley Cup playoffs bound in April of 2013.

  2. Guy-Guy-Guy says:

    So the habs are still short one top 6 winger. Someone who can play with Plekanecs. Someone who’s available this summer. Someone who can plug a hole while we wait for our top 6 prospects to be ready, Glachenyuk, Gallagher, Bournival, Eller ect.

    How about the guy who scored 35 goals and 84 points with Plekanecs 4 years ago, who loved playing in Mtl, who’s not under contract right now? Someone who’s a bigger body, that can make plays, that can finish…

    Could the habs get Kovalev back for a year? Is it a bad idea?

    Pac-DD-Cole
    Kovalev-Plekanec-Gionta
    Bourque-Eller-Armstrong
    Prust-White-Moen

    • 27kovi says:

      i like the idea of bringing Kovi back, though we’d have to move him to the right wing, if Gio could play left, maybe? but also what about LL?

  3. rhino514 says:

    Disagree about a couple of things that were posted recently:

    Cammalleri and Kostitsyn are not washed up. And the team has definitely not replaced the offence it has lost with the departure of these two players. Yes, they have added “grit” and physicality, but they have not replaced the goals lost.
    Kostitsyn gets a twenty goals a year if you just let him play…probably more for a less defensive minded coach than JM. P.S he is also a big guy. I would venture to say this is one of the few instances it has ever made sense to possibly bring back someone who has been lost in the same year. It´s different management, and i don´t think they would have a problem with AK. I am guessing, and this is purely a guess, that Radulov was a bad influence on him re: the incident in Arizona, and think that AK, who isn´t the sharpest tool in the box, probably let himself get misled. I would think he would want to stay and play with his brother if he stays in Nashville and even if he doesnñt I don´t think he will come back.
    Re: Cammalleri, you can talk about goals coming from dirty areas all you want, PG, but after the adjustment of the first few games in Calgary, Cammalleri went on a tear. And I think the habs will SORELY miss him if they get to the playoffs. You can argue he was the biggest playoff clutch player for the 2010 and 2011 playoffs combined.
    We don´t know how Cammy was in the locker room, also Holland or the second round draft pick could end up being valuable, and we saved a ton on his contract, but, man, his loss will hurt come playoff time. Along with Kaberle, his trade was a panic move, and en ego-stroking on the part of PG.
    The team still needs a quality top six winger; looks like they are gambling on Bourque, Armstrong, and Prust to contribute on the top nine. Those are pretty big gambles. I think the team is thinking LL, Gallagher, or someone else will fill the gap a year from now so willing to see if they can win with a physical team in the meantime.

    I have a case in point to those who are so happy about the added “grit”; the team that went to the conference finals 3 years ago was a very small team with few gritty players.
    You need players who can score and clutch players, no matter the size.
    You DO need some players with size and grit. These players are called defensemen. The team of three years ago had Hamrlik and also Spacek was playing well. The softness on D is the main reason the team stumbled last year and could not hold a lead.
    The value of grit and physicality from the forwards to my mind is overrated by many here.
    To put it another way; look how many times we have beaten the bruins by outskating them over the past many years; heck even without Markov, Gorges, and Max Pac in the 2011 playoffs we came to within one bounce of beating them

    • HockeyGuy123 says:

      I agree with your comments. It is very difficult to be competitive with a young inexperienced defence. Rookies up front with a veternan defence can make it but not the opposite. Everyone forgets that Diaz, Emelin are rookies. Markov missed the season, Subban was in his second year.
      Grit counts for little if you can not hold your own from a Hockey point of view.
      AK is big and would be helpfull. 210 lbs and can get you 20 goals. That size and skill level are not easily found. Bourque does not replace Cammelleri nad Kostitsyn.

  4. frontenac1 says:

    Why couldn’t the Goat go to a team I hate? Like Boston or Philly,or Toronto.

  5. H.Upmann says:

    Hawks are gonna find out what they just brought on themselves with hiring Gauthier. I feel sorry for them already.

  6. Gumper Knows Best says:

    Before I go, I’ll say it again for all the Scot Gomez question marks.

    He will not, underscored NOT, be at the habs training camp. Between now and then, all the pretty Bergevin quotes will change. Things will happen. Excuses made. They will not allow a poison to enter the room and hurt it. I stand by this 100% and with good reasons. You will all see come just before training camp and after the new CBA rules to figure out the proper exorcism.

    • joeybarrie says:

      I think you are DEAD wrong. Gomez will be at camp. He will help lead this team. The younger guys will look up to him, and this year he will finally earn his cap hit.

      • myron.selby says:

        I think you’re both partly right – Gomez will be there for training camp. But the only way he earns his cap hit is if he’s the best player on the team – and I don’t think that’s ever been true since the day he walked in the door.

        I’ll be happy if he scores 50 points playing on the wing. I don’t want him using a centre spot on any of the top 3 lines since it would be at the expense of either DD or Eller who we are counting on as appreciating assets.

        • rhino514 says:

          Thing is, you can´t have two passers on a line. Pleks and Desharnais are both playmakers and not natural snipers. So you cannot have Gomez and one of them on the same line. they would just be passing to each other all day long and no one converts.
          Otherwise, yes, I think they would give Gomez a chance, even on the wing, but he just doesn´t fit in on any of the top two lines the habs presently have, and the third line doesn´t have a anything resembling a sniper either. So I just don´t see how he can remain on the team barring a significant injury.

          • Tyhudg says:

            Do the habs really have the cap space to bring in a top 6 forward right now with Gomez in the lineup? I don’t think so. They only have 7.5 or so million left and still have to sign Subban, among a few others. I could be wrong, I am no cap whiz, but if we are going to bring in a top 6 forward we are going to have to free up a bit of space aren’t we? I don’t think this team can afford to bring in top 6 help and have Gomez on the opening day roster. My best guess is that if MB can make a move where he is able to bring in a suitable top 6 player Gomez will be playing in Hamilton (If the new CBA allows it). If he can’t find another top 6 forward, then he give Gomez a shot.

  7. frontenac1 says:

    I just texted my buddy the Life Long Hawks fan the news.He usually responds right away,yet nothing back .God ,I hope its not a Red Foxx,”I’m Comin”Lizabeth!This is The Big One!”Moment

  8. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    If Emelin can’t fight due to medical reasons (the eye injury from Svitov) then can he at least do other stuff like shoving, cross checking, and gloved punches?

    • shiram says:

      Emelin can’t receive punches to the face, he can do whatever he wants, but doing whatever he wants could lead to punches to the face…

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      If he does other stuff like shoving, cross checking and gloved punches he better be ready to be punched in the face.

      I don’t think he did much of that last year. Smoked somebody most of the time and skated away, or at least tried too.

      Hopefully Prust, White or Moen is around if that situation pops up.

    • EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

      OKAY, WHAT IF HE DOES IF WITH A CAGE ON??
      OR DOES IT, THEN GETS THE HELL OUT OF THERE??

  9. Gumper Knows Best says:

    Be careful what you wish for regarding Doan. He will sign a +35 contract that means the cap hit stays forever regardless if he retires or gets hurt short term.. In the present CBA there is a delay mechanism, but sooner or later you have to put it on the books.

    Doan and Habs? 2 years max. He wants more? Walk, then you’ll have Bert Raymond, Mr. Separatist Rejean Tremblay and the big bad new anti-chambre actors interviewing the Zamboni driver about the alleged French slur. To be honest, Doan would have to be nuts to even consider playing here. If he wants Canada so bad, he can go full circle and go to Winnipeg. Me thinks he will stay in the warm.

  10. mfDx says:

    Imagine the scene…

    Hallway to the Habs dressing room. The blue double doors swing open. In through the beam of light appears Rene Bourque. 7 or 8 sticks taped together. Hockey bag on his shoulder. Pierre Gauthier is there. He extends his hand.

    ” a pleasure to meet you, sir. Thanks for having me”

    Gauthier leans back to his assistant. “C’est qui, ca?”
    The assistant leans into Gauthier’s ear.

    “Rene Bourque, sir. You traded for him yesterday.”

    Gauthier turns and covers his gaping mouth as his face turns white.

    ” Je pensais a Raymond”

    … And. Scene.

    Sent from my CHphone

    • HabfaninTO says:

      Lets hope he Habs aren’t done as far as getting better up front and on the back end.
      Maybe there is hope yet to move some of those brutal contracts given that both Gainey and Gauthier have jobs again…..(really???)……they should have to take them with them.

  11. shiram says:

    Perry Pearn now works for the Jets, Gauthier with the Hawks.
    Jacques Martin anyone?

  12. Kooch7800 says:

    Everyone was talking about Semin signing with the Pens today but I see nothing on it. Just a rumour?

  13. Ali says:

    Wow, Pierre Gauthier named Director of Player Personnel in Chicago. Can we trade them Mr. Kaberle?

  14. frontenac1 says:

    Cube will help back there for sure.Markov,PK? .Not what they are there for.Georges has a heart of a lion and he’s always game for a tilt but doesn’t have the size or nasty.Emelin has the size and can hit like a Tank but again no Nasty. I know some posters love watching the Swiss fellas prancing around on the perimeter,but for Chri**t sakes,as Tom pointed out we got a lot of dough tied up in Price. The message has to be ,you screw in Careys paint and you will feel the pain.

    • Gumper Knows Best says:

      No one knew Emelin last year, but at the end, they avoided going down his side. He is not a kid. He’s 26 and a big boy and I think he’s going to get meaner next year without fighting. After 1 year he now gets it, and rest assured if Markov is around, he’ll let him know who the pretenders and real players are. Markov is not mean, but if he plays, he won’t allow any BS or let Price get sprayed. An upgrade over Kaberle’s toughness. :-)

      Gorges is a warrior and will go to battle with anyone!
      Then you have Subban. We can’t afford him being in the box or getting sucked in and that’s where Prust and a healthy Colby come in. Net scrum? We’ll be there. If we are not, then the next shift you will pay. That’s why Bergevin got these players

      And no one is going to face wash Boullion. He can take care of himself. On this video, he drops’em and fights Troy Bodie 6’4″ 196 pounds and knocks him down. Not bad eh?

      http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/97427

      Would I have liked to see Parros or someone like him signed? For sure, but it looks like Habs management wants players that can play, and not 3 minute per game wonders. Not many of those left in the UFA gang, but as the season goes on, something might be available and if Dudley is as good as everyone says he is, there might be a shining star in the AHL.

  15. H.Upmann says:

    I’d take Doan at 3 yrs 5.5.. Contract comes off books along with Cole’s at the same time. The year before we find new and younger wingers once those horrible contracts we have are gone.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I’d agree. 2014/15 is the year we’ll see a totally new team. Markov, Kaberle, Gionta and Gomez contracts off the books.
      That will be the start of the new era.

  16. naweed235 says:

    So where would we draw the line on the Doan contract if it were to happen? $5.5M for 3 years? $ 5M for 4 years?

  17. LEAF KILLERS says:

    if there is an amnesty buyout, i wonder what players would be available. obviously Gomez but what about Lecavalier ? could be some good players available if this happens

    • habs03 says:

      If it is like in the NBA, the amnesty buyout still means you play the player 100% of his salary, but the cap hit goes away. A team like the Lighting are not going to use that on Vinny, because they aren’t a cap spending team, and can’t pay Vinny all that money for nothing.

  18. frontenac1 says:

    Disagree with you Tom on Marc not making things better in the oranization.I think he has. I agree 100% with you on need for a Tough,Nasty,Partly Psycho D man .Been saying so for months now.Alas to no avail.

    • krob1000 says:

      Wizniewski was that guy I thought….had really hoped they would keep him way back when…he was just crazy enough and could play minutes and help the pp.
      If you look back to our playoff teams and more competitive teams of recent years….we had Souray, or Komisarek or Wiz……we always had at least one semi nut bar to help…of course we also had a healthy markov and other factors…but that one nasty and minute eating dman was always there.

    • boing007 says:

      The Incredible Hulk?

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  19. habs03 says:

    Say what you want about Gauthier, but he was the only one with the balls to say FU to the language issue. He only said sorry for hiring Cunneyworth after Molson made the statement about it only being on a interim bases. Heck the Gauthier even said that he wouldn’t trade a French player at equal talent of a English player, because there is no such thing as equal talent lol

    • habsfan0 says:

      Gauthier didn’t say FU to the language issue.

      He simply forgot about it.

      • SmartDog says:

        LOL Exactly what I was thinking.

        The only thing Gauthier said FU too was putting in the effort to find and land a great coach. (Much like his UFA strategy.)

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    • JUST ME says:

      Gauthier said FU to everyone ,players, fans and media but not to the language issue. He just did not have a grasp on that subject but mostly was way over those concepts. In the end, he was all alone in his corner.

  20. habs03 says:

    Gauthier hired as Director of Player Personnel for the Blackhawks

    Good hire, give him a desk, and don’t let the media come near him, and they will be fine.

    • Habilis says:

      So basically Gauthier and Bergevin switched jobs?

      MB is sooo the winner of that.

      • SmartDog says:

        No, WE’RE the winner of that.

        What does the Director of Player Personnel do? If it’s evaluate talent, yikes! Chicago is in trouble!

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      • jedimyrmidon says:

        Whatever his position entails, I’m sure it’s dealing with the players… and we all know how he brought class and communication abilities to the organization during his tenure with the Habs, right? Ha. He pretty much made clear to the players that they were on their own during their stay here.

  21. New says:

    Ever wonder if the Gomez to the Habs deal was NHL inspired? You know the big kids got together and figured out he was on a free ride so they sent him to the location where he would be taxed the most? Sort of like “Your agent takes 20%, you’re giving 10% effort, so we’ll ship you to a city that will take another 40%. Now you get 40% and Glen buys cubans for us all.”

  22. Habilis says:

    I’m sure this has been posted already so consider this a bump.

    If anyone else is as upset as I am about TSN 990 going french, I urge you to submit a comment with the CRTC before August 9th. It takes 5 minutes and the more we get, the better.

    https://services.crtc.gc.ca/pub/Intervention/Submission-Soumission.aspx?lang=e&EN=2012-370&ET=N#SE0

    Cheers

  23. TomNickle says:

    How are Gauthier and Gainey remembered if the Habs somehow win the Cup next season?

    • habsfan0 says:

      As afterthoughts?

    • habs03 says:

      Unless something dramatics changes to the roster from now game 1, I’d give a lot of credit to PG, this is still pretty much his team, aside from some depth guys.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Gainey wasn’t all bad. The gomez trade was absolutely brutal and so was the Ribs trade but he did do some good things. The Goat did some good things as well but they built a team that was too small. He did improve the team and they didn’t draft all that bad in their tenure either.

      The Goat’s downfall was last season when the team had so many injuries he looked for quick fixes i.e. trading Cammy, firing the coach, getting Kabby and everything spiraled out of contral quickly.
      I really don’t like the Kabby deal.

      There will be mistakes by every GM but that is life.

      • TomNickle says:

        I would argue that Gauthier is gone because of his behaviour away from personnel.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          He really came undone last year and quickly. I think the management thought they had a good shot last year and then the injuries just came rolling in and the Markov deal starting looking bad. He started to panic.

          He didn’t communicated well with the players either and it has come out from most of the players how disfunctional the team was.

          You have to admit there was some panic moves there and the team had to go in a different direction. It was kind of a perfect storm last season. Worked out though as the team has a high pick

    • shiram says:

      that if is so big, I wish it played on our blueline.

    • Habilis says:

      Considering the players who would have to excel for that to happen were mostly brought in by those two, I’d say they get remembered pretty fondly.

    • mksness says:

      this all depends. If MB signs semin to a deal and we win a cup. we’ll say all this team needed to get to the next level was a little bit semin…

  24. Ian Cobb says:

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  25. habs03 says:

    Looks like the Bowman’s think highly of Pierre Gauthier

    http://www.rds.ca/hockey/chroniques/343618.html

    The guys isn’t a bad GM, but rather just a ‘meh’, his hate for the media made things worse for him, guy has been around hockey forever though, and did built some decent teams.

  26. New says:

    I have to thank you all. This blog is a great read. Seriously. Little quarrels, spats, and sensitivities aside it is a hoot. And tucked away here and there a bit of hockey news.

    • ont fan says:

      It is a hoot. I agree. If you were shipwrecked on a deserted island, this is how it would be played out. Leaders, followers, thinkers, blowhards, wannabes, nimrods and trollers. They are all here and it’s interesting. I am surprised how articulate most are and humorous.

    • SmartDog says:

      It’s the quarrels that make it for me. :)

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  27. B says:

    Does anyone know why Robinson left his job as an assistant coach for the Devils?

    • shiram says:

      To be closer to his grandson.

    • TomNickle says:

      Ever been to Newark?

      • EnemyTerritory says:

        I went to a Capitals Devils game in Newark last year – and that has to be the most frightening place in the NHL. Two blocks from the arena are boarded up windows, burnt down buildings, broken street lights etc… You can smell the danger. I wondered what some hypothetical 18 year old kid from small town Western Canada would think if he were drafted by the Devils and showed up for a development camp in Newark. Scary!

      • habsfan0 says:

        Newark is where Scott Gomez honed his craft.

        ‘Nuff said.

      • B says:

        I can’t tell if you are serious or trying to make a joke. The Devils have been playing at the Prudential Center since 2007, if that was a problem for Robinson then why did he rejoin them there as an assistant coach in 2010? It seems to me that there must be some other reason as to why he decided to move on. I am just curious as to what that reason was and was hoping that someone here might have read or heard something that explains it.

      • boing007 says:

        If you haven’t been to Newark just ask Rosanne Rosanna Danna what she thinks about it.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  28. EnemyTerritory says:

    Call me an outlier, but as I look forward to this year, I am reasonably optimistic about the Habs’ chances. Clearly last year was an “Annus Horribilis” and anything that could go wrong, basically did. While the new atmosphere and new coaching should not be overrated – it should not be discounted either.

    As I see it, the following players should have as good, bounce-back or better seasons than last year: MaxPac, Plex, Eller, Leblanc, Subban, Emelin, Georges and Price

    The following players should be able to contribute enormously (relative to last season) if they can stay healthy: Gionta, Moen, and of course Markov

    I expect some drop off (hopefully not much) from DD and Cole.

    And I am a fan of both the Bouillon and Prust signings (honestly, I think they are both underrated in what they bring to the team.)

    For me, the real question marks are:

    (1) Can Bourque and Gomez be contributors? (I think yes and no respectively, but both will be disappointing overall – and I hope that the rope they are given is not that long.)

    (2) Can the team find the right role for Kaberle (e.g. 2nd PP unit and 5 on 5 situations) that make him an asset to the team? (I think they definitely can.)

    (3) Has the team done enough to replace the offensive and defensive losses of Gill, AK, and Cammy? (Lean yes, slightly)

    (4) Is the team character better and are they tougher to play against? (No question, yes)

    (5) Will they go through more devastating injuries? (Who knows)

    (6) Will there be a positive training camp surprise (Gallagher?)

    So on my personal scorecard, there is cause for optimism. I see the team finishing somewhere between 7th and 10th with this roster – with help coming in the next few seasons.

    Just my $0.02 worth.

    • EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

      Gomez will not be here in October, he will have to fight for a spot in training camp, but will not make it and be demoted to Hamilton.

      Kaberle will likely be a bottom pairing, or seventh defenceman/powerplay specalist and will likely be moved at the deadline.

      AK and Cammy were both basically washed up last season, addition by subtraction.

      We will give Boston a run for their money in the ally (not Chara, and probably not Lucic, but McQuaid, Ferrance, Campbell, Marchand, and Boychuck will be FAIR GAME)

      Injuries are impossible to predict

      Galchenyuk seems like an intense, competitive guy who will likely challenge Eller for the 3rd line center spot, but it is in his best interests to tear up the OHL for one more season. Gallager will not be a Montreal Canadien until we get at least one more Physical top six forward. Leblanc was mishandled and needs AHL top line time. Beauliau, Patyern, and Ellis will benifit greatly from AHL time. Tinordi could be a beast in a few years and has the physical tools to make mincemeat out of Lucic (only after five years and 30+ pounds though) but will be better off with at least a full season in Hamilton.

      • EnemyTerritory says:

        Agree with your comments on Kaberle, Cammy, the Bruins, injuries, and prospects in Hamilton.

        I think Gomez will get every chance to play – probably too much in my opinion, but (sigh) will make the team. I hope you are right about Leblanc in Hamilton. I know AK took a lot of nights off, but I personally wouldn’t label him as “washed up.”

        I guess time will tell.

  29. shiram says:

    Huet wants to come back to the NHL now that his contract is over.
    If the Nucks deal Luogo, might make sense for them to get him as a solid vet backup.
    Maybe the Leafs take a chance on him with 1a/1b tandem? (more like 2a/2b, right?)

  30. Gumper Knows Best says:

    @TomNickle

    Why so negative?
    Bergevin has been on the job for 68 days taking over a franchise that was in complete disarray from management team-the word “team” used lightly, to a hockey team that with few exceptions, quit on its coaches and went through the motions or free styled their way through the season.

    In that tiny 68 days of time, he hired and expanded a new management team that responds better to the needs of 2012, while balancing the very tricky political nature of the franchise that has become more vocal with the advent of the Internet, blogs, twitter, and every other social network device.

    Almost everyone he hired has a Stanley Cup ring. Without beating the drums, he also set up a potential succession plan on every level depending on results that will most likely be tweaked as time moves on.

    In the mean time, he presided over what is being considered one of the Habs best drafts ever, and many independent onlookers are giving a huge thumbs up to the Habs smarts this year. Do you think a confident Trevor Timmins works better than a Timmins with less confidence? Or one that possibly feels he is being undermined and always gagged? Did you see his beaming TV interviews both pre and post Draft? And yes, Gauthier did set up the draft and didn’t trade away choices thank god.

    After that, Bergevin hired a new and hotly debated old coach that surely was put through the ringer by himself, Dudley, and Carriere. That’s about at least a 100 years of experience from men that played the game honest and tough, and those 3 have seen a lot in their hockey and management careers.

    Are there holes on the team? A blind man could see that, but the new coach and management don’t really know what they have on their hands.
    One tiny Example. Who really is Rene Bourque. The player that had 3 +20 goal seasons before last year that played tough and grinded? Or the player last year that was confused after 2 questionable suspensions, then traded to a basket case Habs team that made him feel like a nothing yo-yo? Therrien will find out.

    You can criticize all you wish. It’s a free country and hockey site, but to go negative before a training camp opens, or a game is played, or more imminent moves are completed, is just short term panic fan thinking.

    This team will open camp, choose its players, weed out the fake artists and pretenders, make deals to move them, and you can bet we’ll have a team of character. That may take 2 months, half a season, or all of next year and maybe into the year after before the kids arrive.

    Ken Holland, a GM that probably knows what he’s talking about said it takes 5-7-10 years to judge the fruits of a GM’s work.
    68 days is a long way from that.

    The Defence rests.

    • TomNickle says:

      I’m not judging Gumper. I’m not negative, I’m just not as positive as others seem to be.

      The only issue that I feel needs addressed immediately is the defense. Bergevin just gave Price a long term deal at a high cost and there isn’t a defenseman on our roster in place to protect him.

      That’s my only criticism of Bergevin and it can be resolved with a couple strokes of a pen.

      The point I’ve been making is that Bergevin’s work thus far from a player personnel standpoint has not been unlike his predecessor.

      • Gumper Knows Best says:

        Tom, I wasn’t trying to take a slice out of you. OK?

        No one knew Emelin last year, but at the end, they avoided going down his side. He is not a kid. He’s 26 and a big boy and I think he’s going to get mean next year without fighting. After 1 year he now gets it, and rest assured if Markov is around, he’ll let him know who the pretenders and real players are. Markov is not mean, but if he plays, he won’t allow any BS or let Price get sprayed.

        Gorges is a warrior and will go to battle with anyone!
        Then you have Subban. We can’t afford him being in the box or getting sucked in and that’s where Prust and a healthy Colby come in. Net scrum? We’ll be there. If we are not, then the next shift you will pay.

        And no one is going to face wash Boullion. He can take care of himself. On this video, he drops’em and fights Troy Bodie 6’4″ 196 pounds and knocks him down. Not bad eh?

        http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/97427

        Would I have liked to see Parros or someone like him signed? For sure, but it looks like Habs management wants players that can play, and not 3 minute per game wonders. Not many of those left in the UFA gang, but as the season goes on, something might be available and if Dudley is as good as everyone says he is, there might be a shining star in the AHL.

        Make any sense?

        • TomNickle says:

          I expect somewhat better results provided Therrien doesn’t massacre the opportunity.

          But with that said, did you seriously say that Markov won’t allow players to take liberties with Price?

          • Gumper Knows Best says:

            Let’s just say that Markov toughness will be an upgade over Kaberle toughness…………………..

    • pher pher says:

      Solid, Gumper.

  31. frontenac1 says:

    You only got part of it right Amigo…Cold Beer,Red Meat,Vodka and Cohibas.Hola!

  32. Gerry H says:

    “It’s moot that this team sucked under Gauthier for one of his two seasons as GM but it’s not moot that Bergevin has done little to improve the team if anything?”

    Ok, I find that comment strange. It seems to me that this was one of many posters who preached the disciplined rebuild/player development approach, yet not ten days past UFA Day, he’s disappointed by the lack of team improvement? Bergevin was very clear on his priorities and has followed them to a ‘T’. He completely rebuilt the front office and added tons of player development resources. He hired a new coach. He has set about re-signing key UFAs/RFAs. He has picked up a few key role players to address the lack of grit.

    What were you expecting? Where is the urgency for moves that would generate an immediate impact? The team underperformed last year in a season in which everything that could go wrong, did. To suggest that they are out of the playoff picture at this juncture, absent major moves, is not, in my opinion, supported by any compelling evidence.

    Be careful what you ask for. You just might get it.

    • TomNickle says:

      I was corrected regarding player development and admit Bergevin has put tools in place that may or may not see our prospects develop better.

      But after everything you said, what can you tell me Bergevin’s done to make this team more successful for the coming season?

      • Trisomy 21 says:

        I seem to remember him saying he wanted to evaluate his players for himself first.

      • HardHabits says:

        Sometimes less is more and it’s not the moves you make but the moves you don’t make that matter.

        What we’ve seen is this. No more spending to the cap on a team of castaways and hasbeens or trades made where young promising players are given up for a plug to just maybe make the play-offs.

        We’ve gone through a lot in the past few years not to mention last 2 decades. My view is Gainey’s rebuild after the blow up was a disaster. He let go 11 UFA’s for nothing. He went crazy on the market and over-paid for Gionta and Cammy. He traded McD for Gomer. The Habs squeaked into the play-offs with 88 points and a 47% win-loss ratio only to be literally carried to the ECF’s on the backs of the other guy.

        Anything will be more successful than last season because now there is a direction and it isn’t all about some out of date philosophy that rewards obedience and punishes flair.

        I am giving MB his 5 years. I’ll give you my report card then.

      • Gerry H says:

        To answer your question, Tom, I would propose three things that point to at least a modest performance improvement for next season:

        1) Simplest of all – a fresh start with fresh faces. New coach, new player development personnel, new management MO and a clear break with the past. I wouldn’t underestimate the impact a more positive work environment can have in any venture.

        2) Important role players added/extended. The Prust, Armstrong and Bouillon signings, coupled with the Moen deal, send a message. No more using top six prospects in grinder roles. They can develop as top six players in the minors (a la MaxPac), while REAL role players, or employés de soutien as the RDS gang calls them, do what they do best. This team WILL be tougher.

        3) The flexibility to add/change pieces going forward. The absence of a major commitment to any top six guy makes perfect sense for a team devoted to steady improvement over a 2-3 year horizon. If the right deal comes along to fill one of those positions with a cost-effective vet through trade or acquisition, great. If not, the ongoing development of Subban, Eller, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Emelin and Leblanc can be supported down the road by a key piece at the right time.

        Bottom line, modest improvements are all it should take and, more importantly, all they can afford when committed to a longer-term player development path.

        • TomNickle says:

          Armstrong has to get on the ice for his value to be present but otherwise I agree.

          Though there are no indications that Gauthier wouldn’t have pursued role players and would have certainly changed coaches.

          I wouldn’t call Therrien a fresh face either. ;)

          • Gerry H says:

            Yeah, fresh would be WAY down the list of adjectives I’d use for that face…

          • boing007 says:

            Bloodhound?

            Richard R
            Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Gerry, Gerry, Gerry… how to explain it to you…?

      It’s important to always be making trades, or expressing your desire to make trades in the press, à la Burkie. It doesn’t matter who you’re trading, usually it’s best to trade very similar players for each other, or meaningless ‘depth’ players for Hamilton for 7th-round draft picks.

      Also, Bergie should also be attempting to make trades like this one:

      Plekanec, White, Gomez, 2nd round pick for Ryan Getzlaf. He should be publicly pointing out that Plekanec is overpaid and unskilled, White is too small, Gomez is just a throw-in that we ‘make’ Anaheim take, and the 2nd round pick is to make sure they go for the trade.

      Until then, it’s clear that Bergevin is just Grumpy Old Pierre Mark II.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Gerry H says:

        Heh. Not to put too fine a point on it, eh Matty?

        Preaching patience is a whole lot easier than practicing it, I guess.

        • TomNickle says:

          Who said he needs to make a blockbuster deal or free agent signing? I’m of the opinion that this team could use a winger to chip in offense for the third line but am completely comfortable with Bourque playing a top six forward spot this season.

          Having said that, this team’s biggest and most expensive asset remains unprotected with a dwindling list of solutions to that problem available.

    • shiram says:

      I was hoping management would try to plug the holes that were created last season.
      Bourque replaces AK, but no one has stepped up to take Cammy’s role.
      No one really replaced what Hamrlik brought, and now Gill is gone too, and we have a plethora of smaller PMD instead.
      We might have a weaker team overal than we did last season, considering the few moves made.

  33. TomNickle says:

    Regarding the contracts of Gomez and Kaberle.

    Each team can be 10% above the salary cap heading into the league year. That leaves the Habs with just under $15 million in cap space today.

    For those who believe that CBA negotiations will see a lower cap ceiling. I’m not saying it won’t happen, but if it does the players won’t agree to it without an amnesty buyout so that players don’t wind up in the AHL or on loan overseas.

    So in a worst case scenario the cap goes down say 5% to $66 million. $7.7 million is coming off of the books if the cap comes down because Gomez would be bought out under amnesty. That would leave the Habs with $12 million in cap space and the ability to place Kaberle in Hamilton takes it to $16.6 million.

    Say Subban costs $4 million annually.

    Bergevin in a worst case scenario has over $10 million dollars in cap room to play with.

    So again I’m asking how these contracts are stopping him from improving the team?

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I thought it was confirmed that it was going to $70 mill or something?

      Found the link: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=399437

      • TomNickle says:

        It’s at $70.2 million today but could be renegotiated.

        Point is. In a worst case scenario Bergevin has $10-$12 million available to spend AFTER Subban is signed.

        This contracts holding him back thing is bollocks.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          I think they’ve still got a trick or two up their sleeve? Doan is still out there but are there any valuable players, in your opinion, left to sign.

          Haven’t looked at the leftover list for a week or so…

          • TomNickle says:

            I’d rather give Peter Mueller one year at $1 million than Colby Armstrong.

            I think Mueller, Kubina, Rozsival, Hecht and Brett Clark present some decent value for what they would cost.

          • 24 Cups says:

            There goes Tom riding on my coattails again, this time with Mueller!!! Doesn’t TN have any original ideas:-)

            On a more serious note, I’ll pass on Hecht, Rozsival and Kabina.

            Vandermeer interests me as a depth signing like Woywitka last summer. Same goes for Clark as long as they are one year deals.

          • TomNickle says:

            Commandant floated Mueller a while back and I’ve only very recently begun to warm to the idea. His skill set is excellent but that noodle of his causes great concern.

            My one sincere desire for Bergevin that I feel is 100% necessary prior to a pre-season game being played is a defenseman that will go bananas if Price is touched.

            That’s it.

    • Mattyleg says:

      But Gomez is keeping the team from winning the Cup!!
      His contract is killing the team!
      We’re the only team in the NHL that has a highly-paid underperforming player on the roster!

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • TomNickle says:

        Haha. Thanks Matty. I remember last summer I scrolled through every team’s payroll and found maybe two or three that didn’t have somebody who was grossly overpaid on it.

    • 24 Cups says:

      There are only two players left to sign, Tom.

      Semin – over my dead body.

      Doan – in your dreams.

      Who says you have to spend long term cap space just because it’s in your pocket? That’s what eventually brought Gainey down.

      The Habs need to keep their powder dry until they are truly ready to content.

    • Cardiac says:

      1. Language politics
      2. High taxes
      3. Media and fan shark tank

      Any of these is a red flag for a potential free agent signing.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

    • Strummer says:

      Enough with the crapping on Kaberle already!

      Kaberle is NOT going to Hamilton.
      He has only 2 years left @ $4.25 mil. and is good puck moving D-man with offensive upside which includes not playing with Camploi any longer.

      Kaberle ‘s contract is no impediment to Habs cap situation.

      ______________________________________________________
      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  34. HabFanSince72 says:

    This is just a test.

    Cold beer and grilled meats is a good combo on a hot summer day.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  35. Rainrocket16 says:

    Brenden Morrow anyone?

  36. muffinman says:

    When did Bergevin ever mention that his goal was to make the playoffs this year???? From what I understand his goal was to improve the team so that it can eventually compete for a cup and not put a bunch of bandaids together and try to squeeze into 7th or 8th spot!

    If just making the playoffs is the goal, then this regime is no different than the last! Rome wasn’t built overnight and we all need to be patient and give Bergevin a minimum of 3 seasons before making any sort of judgement. I for one think that he is moving in the right direction, and building a contender through good drafting and player development.

  37. pmaraw says:

    News: Rene Bourque had his twittter hacked and then shut it down
    Other News: Tom is mad at management for not trading for Kane yet

  38. Hobie Hansen says:

    Yikes – TSN990 English is done. Changing to RDS990 French. I think that’s what’s going on?

    I was so looking forward to them moving over to a new station with a stronger signal so the reception came in clear in Ottawa. That was supposed to happen prior to the new Habs season, I believe? Now RDS is getting that station and TSN is off the air.

    I guess the English listeners just don’t add up?

    Seems like the anglophones are being boxed out from following the Habs.

    It is taking every amount of willpower in me to stay a Habs fan.

    • Bripro says:

      It’s been discussed.
      Look below Hobie. I’ve attached a few links with as much info as I could find.
      I called in, on the air, to TSN earlier today, and none of the on-air staff seem to know what’s going to happen. It was announced to them this morning.

    • TomNickle says:

      That’s not a fault of the Canadiens Hobie. No need to be challenged to remain a Habs fan.

      Only thing I’ll say about TSN990 is that it’s no coincidence that the same day sees the same callers speak with their radio personalities.

      • Bripro says:

        If you’re referring to me, it was my second time calling, and I only wanted to find out what they knew.
        I don’t know if your comment was supposed to be some kind of shot.
        Certainly not an argument.
        You don’t argue, after all.

        • TomNickle says:

          I wasn’t referring to you pal.

          I listen to it most days and the majority of the callers are everyday participants.

          • Bripro says:

            My apologies pal.

          • otter649 says:

            The regular callers have a special number to call & use……

          • TomNickle says:

            I sincerely wasn’t being a jerk or making any sarcastic remarks. I wasn’t referencing you at all.

          • TomNickle says:

            Otter,

            Columnists, executives or personnel or are you referring to callers?

          • Bripro says:

            No problem. And yes, they do have their regular callers…some comical, some less so.
            But they’re a minor nuisance compared to the information we get from the station.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Tom, most call-in radio shows have the same callers calling in almost daily.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      It’s just frustrating. I’m a DIEHARD fan. Just like you guys. But the entire French/English battle that surrounds the team is exhausting.

      All I want is to get all the Habs coverage I possibly can. I enjoy listening to TSN 990 on my drive or after games.

      Again, it’s so frustrating that there is no concern for the million or so anglophone Habs fans accross the country.

      I know TSN/RDS has nothing to do with the team but it’s just so frustrating to have to put up with all the politics and struggle to follow the habs in English.

      I did take French in high school and actually understand the majority of the RDS broadcasts.

      I dunno, the entire language issue surrounding the team is so damn annoying.

      • shiram says:

        I’m francophone and I hate his language thing.

      • The Jackal says:

        Hey, I think CJAD is covering the Habs again, so you’re safe.

        Not all oysters produce pearls, thankfully, Price is a pearl producing oyster.

        • Bripro says:

          Just the hockey games, for this year.
          Nothing else pertaining to sports coverage, though.
          Nothing on the Als, the Impact, the NFL, the rest of the NHL…nothing.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I was going to ask about that. What is CJAD’s primary focus during days, and is it possible they pickup a Melnyk or someone and perhaps become a bit more sports focused?

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          I realize CJAD will cover the games and probably have a post game show.

          Except the Team 990 had some decent guests during the morning/afternoon drives. I love Montreal and it’s nice to tune into an all-sports, all-Montreal, radio station.

          I also listen to it on my PC at work….

          • boing007 says:

            Don’t tell your boss.

            Richard R
            Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • veryhabby says:

      remember when we lost English HNIC for habs games not soo long ago. Well at least regionally some of you have that option again on Saturday nites.

      But here with Radio, I can’t see them trying an english format again. It’s all about money, and in radio it’s about advertizing. If ratings are low, so will the money for ads be low. We all know this. I guess they are hoping with more french speaking people within radio distance that profits will follow.

      Bell is there to make money. Period. RDS wins out on TSN in Quebec ratings. and with TVA sports coming on, I am sure Bell wants to keep that #1 spot for french sports broadcasting. This is a smart move on their behalf.

      And now that Bell owns the Leafs…they will want to make sure all english speaking Eastern Canadians can only get Leaf stuff in their language, and thus maybe win over new fans. LOL!!!!!!

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Bell does also have a small percentage ownership in the Habs. Therefore I don’t believe this move has any vindication involved. In fact, TSN has been marketing nationwide all year about their three regional sports radio stations.

        • TomNickle says:

          I believe Bell was told that they had to sell their piece of ownership in the Habs though. If I’m wrong I apologize.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I thought the competition commitee reviewed it and said was okay to remain the same. The other issue was Thomson’s ownership of Winnipeg and minor ownership in Montreal. I think all of it was rubberstamped. Can’t recall fosure, but thought I saw that.

    • ed lopaz says:

      Hobie, the problem is advertising dollars. When the sales reps call companies to sale advertising they are hitting a brick wall.

      Why? because not that many people who are potential customers of the advertisers are actually listening to English radio.

      This is about demographics, advertising, business, and ultimately the numbers have to add up.

      Bell executives answer to shareholders.

      Its business.

      The English language in Montreal is on the decline and is ultimately doomed.

      That is the sad reality.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Ya I understand that….

      • Chuck says:

        The flip relates directly to the CRTC ownership rules governing how many radio stations, and formats, that a single company can own in a given market. Flipping the station’s language to French is one step in satisfying those regulations; it’s not directly linked to the business end of the radio station.

        ___________________________________________________
        Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment.

  39. naweed235 says:

    I for one am impressed with Bergevin thus far unlike some of the posters here. Yes, it is true that he has done little to address our lack of goal scoring and physical presence on D for the short time he has been here, but you have to realize that he made plenty of good moves off the ice that will only benefit the organization in the long run. He is taking the right approach to building a winning mentality, that is to build from top to bottom. The management team that we have in place right now is the best I have seen with the Habs ever since I started following them even thought that might not be saying much.
    Also, in his defense as far as goal scorers and physical D man went this UFA season, there really weren’t that many options other than the Parise and Sutter crop. I am actually glad that he did not rush into overpaying for average players like Parenteau or Sourray. He is taking his time to evaluate what we already have in the organization and meanwhile staying open to good opportunities that might knock on the door like a trade or a Doan signing.

    • TomNickle says:

      I don’t necessarily disagree with that. The front office staff is no lock to payoff but by most accounts they’re all good people and they’re certainly experienced.

      The root of my opinion was that Bergevin’s goal this season is to make the playoffs. I don’t see it based on the work done so far.

      I got sidetracked by my need to reply to everybody.

      • shiram says:

        I get the feeling that last season was a bit of an exception, not that the Habs were a powerhouse, but they could have made the playoffs had the injury bug not been so bad. So I’m thinking they could definitely make the playoffs this season but…
        some of the moves made during last season definately weakened the team.

        • TomNickle says:

          I agree with that from the perspective that Martin didn’t communicate much and Gauthier was an ass.

          I fear that with Therrien the communication could be as detrimental as none though.

  40. galchenyuk27 says:

    What are you guys going to think when Gallagher holland galchenyuk kristo bealieau Tinordi Ellis Leblanc bournival out play the entire roster during preseason are you still gonna think none of them are going to make it

    • shiram says:

      I hope they do not repeat the mistakes of last year concerning the preseason.
      Maybe Gally and Leblanc can get a spot, but the others are very doubtful, that said if they manage to win a roster spot, I’ll be happy for them, but disapointed the team is not very strong.

  41. frontenac1 says:

    Gotta agree with Tom on the soft D. If I have to watch Carey getting mauled in his own paint again this year and those pussies watching from ten feet away,Its double up time with the single malt.

    • boing007 says:

      Be careful, that single malt whisky’s pretty expensive. Ever try Laphroaig? I call it leap frog.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  42. kempie says:

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  43. Strummer says:

    Sports radio is totally over-rated. There isn’t enough interesting content to sustain an all- sports format 24/7.
    Witha shortage of content radio personalities beat the same dead horse ad nauseum.

    Morning and evening drive shows are nothing more than commercials and traffic reports with sports news as filler in between.

    This is just another symptom of the decline of terrestrial radio.

    Satellite radio is the future.

    The solution would be to have sports as part of a broader format of other news/information on radio.

    ______________________________________________________
    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  44. TomNickle says:

    Dear Sane Hockey Fan,

    Please reference one post of mine on this page that criticizes somebody else in disagreement.

    Thank you.

    • TomNickle says:

      Thanks Sanehockeyfan.

      Well done.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      A lot of people don’t get it Tom. You debate on the facts, they see you as argumentative and unreasonable, so they attack you personally. It’s as if when someone replies to them more than once with anything but full agreement they take it as a personal attack, rather than a challenge to the substance of their position.

      Unless you take it as a badge of honour, one way to reduce the number of outraged correspondents you accumulate would be to continue to sprinkle your posts with conditionals and disclaimers, such as “My take is,…” or “That may be, but ….” Some posters seem to view one-line replies as curt and it triggers them.

      Keep posting, this place is better for it.

    • sane hockey fan says:

      Dear TomNickle,

      No thanks, I have a job/life to get back to. See its easy for you, your life is here on hockeyinsideout.com. This is where you spend your entire day. With that being said, why don’t you go find one and post it for me.

      Thanks

      • The Jackal says:

        You need to take a step back and realize that just because someone disagrees with you, that does not mean they are criticizing you.

        Not all oysters produce pearls, thankfully, Price is a pearl producing oyster.

      • TomNickle says:

        Yet another statement with nothing to back it up. Surprise surprise.

        Pathetic.

  45. Kfourn says:

    I for one do not believe that Markov will return to form. At 34 years old I find it very hard to believe that he will regain that step that he lost and which made him awful for the few games he played last year. This leaves a gaping hole on an already weak D.

    Our D this year depends on:

    1)Markov returning to form (not gonna happen)

    2) Pk. being able to increase his points while shutting down the top forwards.

    3) Diaz and Emelin not going through the dreaded sophomore slump

    4) Kaberle and Weber being able to fill in and not be a liability in the defensive zone when one of the D gets injured.

    I hope the kids exceed expectations in Hamilton because this is not going to be pretty.

    • knob says:

      1) Markov will not return to the pre-injury form that we all loved. He will still be a good player though;
      2) PK not taking on shut down assignments and the return of some key power play guys (Gionta and Markov) will in itself increase his point potential;
      3) Diaz will not be an impact player. Emelin is a bottom pair defenceman who is not expected to be a point producer. Emelin in his role will be fine; and
      4) I expect taht Kaberle will play less than his share of the minutes and Weber probably won’t see much action.

      Habs will reclaim their rightful place of being the team that challenges for the 8th/9th spot in the conference.

      ef this

      • Kfourn says:

        “he will be a good player” what evidence do you have for this from the games he played post-injury. He was just awful defensively.

        Really all of gionta’s 9 powerplay goals over the past 2 years will help PK? and who will take the top shut down responsibilities if not PK? I hope you’re not suggesting Markov and Gorges…

        Your saying Emelin is a bottom pair Dman then who is our top 4?

        • knob says:

          i don’t have any evidence to support my opinion that Markov will return to a produtive top-notch NHL defencman. I am discounting his play at the end of last season as he simply wasn’t up to ‘game speed’ like the rest of the NHL, afterall Markov was not the beneficiary of training camp and the rest of the regular season.

          Okay, Gionta had 9 pp goals in 2 years. Gionta is still an offensively gifted player, albeit he is no Crosby, and can create space for others.

          And yes, I am suggesting that Gorges and Markov will be the shut down pair, however I should tell you that it is just my best guess.

          Perhaps Emelin is a top 4 guy for this team, it’s all a crap shoot once you get past Subban, Markov, and Gorges. If Emelin plays top 4 it’s only because they are playing Kaberle. Bouillon might also play top 4…I think it will depend what they do with Kaberle to be honest.

          ef this

    • Max_a_million says:

      Players in their 30’s always look awful coming off that injury the first season, and then are often much better the next. I wouldn’t count out Markov yet.

      Emelin (26) and Diaz (26) aren’t exactly neophytes, maybe they don’t have the same slump in them. Wishful thinking anyhow!

      The season hasn’t started yet. We don’t know if they will add another player, make a trade, or whatever …

  46. aj says:

    I’m very sad about Bell Media’s decision to change TSN 990 into a french sports station – RDS radio 990. This is becoming too political and it seems that Bell is going to do the wrong thing in making this happen.

    If RDS wants their own radio station, why don’t they make their own anyways?

    I know CJAD will probably take what 990’s doing regarding on the Habs regular season games. But its very good to have a radio-station designated to have a sports-only perspective for Anglophones.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I am not in Montreal, but does anyone know what kind of ratings TSN 990 was getting? Were they leading the way in Montreal in key demographics? Here in the Toronto marketplace TSN 1050 is getting hammered in the ratings and they are quite likely losing money. However, TSN is in this for the longhaul with the hopes of one day beating Sportsnet Radio Fan590 for the ratings and thus you get to charge bigger bucks for advertising. The golden egg TSN Toronto is hoping for is the largest sports radio market available in Canada. What if indeed Bell/TSN figured out they could get much higher ratings and much higher advertising dollars by rather owning a French speaking sports station instead of an english one? This is a radio station based in Quebec afterall. Don’t get me wrong, I did listen to TSN 990 alot at work through the internet and will miss that option. But while I generally can’t stand Bell or Cable companies for that matter, they are in business to make money.

      • Bripro says:

        Repost just for you buddy. You might find some of this informative.

        Here’s the latest on Bell’s application to the CRTC.

        And the Gazette story

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Reading that, appears CRTC has their pawprints all over this. Bell had to pick a station to convert, so probably was a dollar and cents decision.

          I actually put the CRTC above Bell and Cable Companies on my Dislike list. Nothing like having more gov’t involved to make sure we remain good Canadians…..

          Thanks Bri, I do feel bad for you folks. Even though I am very frustrated by the quality of the two sports radio stations here in Southern Ontario, I still turn them on everyday and hope to hear something good….

          • Bripro says:

            Yep. Then let’s duplicate all those services here, in this “country of Quebec” where our anglophone rights are always honoured.

    • JUST ME says:

      Has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with the CRTC`s rules. Bell media cannot own more than 3 stations in the same language as Cogeco had to change Ckac to a traffic station since they could not have another french station and were receiving big bucks from le ministere des transports for an all traffic station.

      And to be honest if it was only a language plot as far as i remember Bell is a Toronto owned and managed company. If it was a political/language issue it would be the opposite and a french station would turn english don`t you think ?

    • boing007 says:

      24 hour anything is pretty stupid. All those cable stations repeating the same news every half hour for six hours straight? I guess security guards and other night workers appreciate it, though.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  47. The Jackal says:

    TomNickle – I see what you’re sayin’ about MB not making a significant improvement. It’s true the man has not addressed the D nor the need for a scorer, but the summer is still young, so they say. Nevertheless, I think MB is an upgrade because he is communicative and is much better at dealing with people. I would not worry about what remains to be done. It’s best to be patient and not give up assets for short term gain. We have great prospects now, some of them on D, so it’s probably best to not lock up any D guy long term as these guys are not too far from joining the team.
    That being said, acquiring a D that can protect Carey would be a good idea.
    As for the 4th liners you speak of, Prust, Moen and Armstrong will certainly make the team tougher, and the long term contracts are reasonable.
    All in all, MB is on the right track, but you’re right that we can’t be singing his praise just yet.

    Not all oysters produce pearls, thankfully, Price is a pearl producing oyster.

  48. PrimeTime says:

    This is “Hockey Inside Out”?? Really?? Once you get past the “news” there aint much left. It’s like a call in talk show but with no host to moderate the discussions. Too funny!! Bored people with nothing better to do than to debate conjecture, speculation, and rumours that get way out of control. It’s humourous to read everytime I visit to this site posts from the same old fans who jockey to try and show they know more, or their opinions are superior, and judging everybody from NHL Execs to the so called Troll. The Right and Left sure could learn a lot from the Middle majority….you know those who form opinions based on facts and not agenda’s.

    • TomNickle says:

      It’s so nice of you to grace us with your presence. It must have been very difficult of you to come down and slum it with us.

    • The Jackal says:

      Whaaa? Ya don’t like it, don’t read it. We here like to talk Habs no matter how speculative the subject. Even though we sometimes get on each others’ nerves, we love to talk Habs.
      Now back to yer hole, PrimeTroll.

      Not all oysters produce pearls, thankfully, Price is a pearl producing oyster.

      • PrimeTime says:

        “Don’t like it”… are you kidding?? I love coming here for a laugh (or when sitting on the throne) when I am PTMSing. I just pray that you guys take your own opinions as seriously as I do……but man, some of you get so sucked in.

    • aj says:

      “Bored people with nothing better to do than to debate conjecture, speculation, and rumours that get way out of control.”

      – Yeah right! As if you have nothing better to do than to whine about how bad this website is and the community who post here (since commandant states you’ve been doing this nonsense multiple times). If you don’t like it, why don’t you just leave people here alone.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      We’re all moderators, only we’re not very moderate. Does that make any sense? :-)

    • Gumper Knows Best says:

      My guess is a disgruntled Leafs fan using the most respected hockey logo in the world that probably couldn’t spell the word “Playoffs” if you granted him the first 6 letters.

      Anyhowwwwww, the complete and total irony of the post is delicious.

    • Bripro says:

      Well at least you didn’t have to jockey to get your superior opinion in there, did you PT?
      You just jumped on your opportunity to judge everybody (say it ain’t so – that goes counter to your argument) on our judgmental perspectives.

  49. JUST ME says:

    I am real sad about TSN990 disapearing. Man ! How many times do we sports fan have to suffer this ?

    The thing i understand is that this has nothing to do with us though. It`s a matter of the CRTC rules and $$$$ .The exact same thing happened with CKAC.They had to make a choice involving big $$$ so the hell with listeners.

    That`s what you get when you have big corporations like Bell,Cogeco,Astral and others that owns everything. Even they have to follow rules and those have nothing to do with listeners.

    In a way it is a language thing. Not the usual debate involving love/hate relationship but mostly rules that dictate the number of stations you can own in one language. The problem i see is that TSN990 is unique and is a specialized radio station opposite to Virgin radio or Energie and others who lives on the same teenage crap that you find everywhere.

    Sad day indeed… At least RDS radio will not hite the same doubtfull hosts they had on CKAC since most of them now work with TVAsports a competitor.

  50. TomNickle says:

    I wonder how things would have been perceived if Pierre Gauthier had given Prust and Moen four year deals, signed a recently bought out Maple Leaf and brought back Francis Bouillon.

    • adamkennelly says:

      He wouldn’t have – so its a moot point. This team sucked under PG and JM – save for a somewhat fluky playoff run…lets see what happens with the new regime and take it from there.

      • TomNickle says:

        And what indication do you have to show that the team won’t suck again this season?

        • sane hockey fan says:

          He didn’t say they would be better, he said “lets see”…read

          • TomNickle says:

            It’s moot that this team sucked under Gauthier for one of his two seasons as GM but it’s not moot that Bergevin has done little to improve the team if anything?

          • sane hockey fan says:

            Your point about Gauthier is moot because Gauthier isn’t the GM of the Canadiens anymore. It’s purely hypothetical.

            It’s not a moot point that Bergevin has done little to improve the team because, wait for it, THEY HAVNT PLAYED ANY GAMES YET!!

            God you get bloody annoying sometimes.

          • TomNickle says:

            Comparing current management to previous management is never a moot point because it’s how regimes are evaluated.

            Would you like me to criticize you too. Because I’ve yet to even though we’re in disagreement and I allegedly do it all of the time.

        • sane hockey fan says:

          you just dont stop do you

          • TomNickle says:

            Stop what? Will you ever stop being critical of me? Am I critical of you?

          • sane hockey fan says:

            Your critical of everyone who doesnt agree with you dude…The evidence is posted all over this website.

          • TomNickle says:

            That’s your opinion. If you want to focus on disagreement that’s your business. But I’m not critical of all of my counter parts who disagree.

        • LA Loyalist says:

          We may not be much better, but:

          1. Therrien can’t be worse than JM, can he?
          2. Even though the D is still weak, having grittier wingers should help them which in turn should help our breakouts and transition game, which in turn helps the D…

          No we are not out of the woods yet, but leave us SOME THIN SHRED OF HOPE TOM! or it’s going to be a long, long year (again).

          • TomNickle says:

            Aside from benching young players and not holding veterans accountable was Martin bad?

            I’m not so sure. This season he was given Subban, Gorges, Gill, Diaz, Campoli, Weber and Emelin.

            He barely had Campoli and he’s top 4 in that group. Pretty scary.

          • boing007 says:

            Agree with you on #2. Every little bit helps.

            Richard R
            Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • ProHabs says:

      That’s right. Gauthier would have never signed any of these guys because all he wanted on the team was soft, small players that couldn’t hit, fight, score or do anything. We should all be glad the Gauthier era is finally put to bed. One of the darkest hours in Habs history.

      • TomNickle says:

        Guys like Rene Bourque who never fight. Guys like Alexei Emelin who never hit, guys like Brad Staubitz,

        • HabinBurlington says:

          7 career fights for Bourque and we all know Staubitz was just a temporary fill in to appease the fans. If PG had believed in those players they would have been on roster sooner. Emelin was drafted by a different regime and he chose to develop his game in the KHL.

          • TomNickle says:

            Gauthier signed him where Gainey couldn’t Gerald. I’m not saying Gauthier made the deal happen. But it happened on his watch.

        • commandant says:

          Gauthier loves small soft players like Erik Cole

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    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I asked a similar question. You are absolutely right. The commentariat would have been all over PG, and rightly so.

      In fact, when Brian Burke did something similar we all laughed at him:

      * Signed Colton Orr for truculence (only paid him $1M however) –> Prust

      * Traded for Garret Exelby –> Bouillon

      * Signed our reject Mike Komisarek –> Armstrong


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        The total dollars and terms of those contracts were not even remotely close. I posted that back to you, but got no response…. Which apples and oranges would you like to compare next?

        • TomNickle says:

          Prust didn’t get overpaid? Bouillon? Moen got four years. This isn’t insignificant. As Habsync pointed out, Prust’s contract has buyout written all over it.

          • commandant says:

            Prust is 28 years old. He’ll be finished by the age of 32 and require at buyout?

            Go Habs Go!
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            Team By Team Prospect Reports coming soon
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          • TomNickle says:

            If Therrien can’t get out of Prust what Tortorella could it may happen. I like Prust on this team. I don’t like it for four years at $2.5 million per season.

          • The Jackal says:

            Prust will pan out, don’t worry about that. His contract is not terrible and if he does not work out here, he can be moved. Moen has proven himself to the team IMO, and he is still a movable asset if that is what it comes down to.

            Not all oysters produce pearls, thankfully, Price is a pearl producing oyster.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          That’s not the point. Yes, the players and salaries aren’t identical.

          But improving the team by signing a thug (Prust), a has-been (Bouillon), a reject (Armstrong), a bad player pure and simple (Nokelainen) and a disciplinarian jerk as coach (you know who) are all Burke-esque moves.


          Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

          • The Jackal says:

            That’s your opinion, Fred.

            Not all oysters produce pearls, thankfully, Price is a pearl producing oyster.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Tom, seems to me you have a bit of a burr up your saddle regarding Bergevin all of a sudden. I may be misreading your posts, but prior to a week ago you seemed much more upbeat about the job he has and had been doing.

      I like what MB has done, but will ultimately judge him and Therrien on the job they do as the season is well under way.

      Our team is a developing one and our best talent is youthful. As long as MB doesn’t pull a Brian Burke and start trading future talent for immediate wins I hope he continues the slow climb back to respectability fo this team. Give this plan two years and I have high hopes for the team.

      • TomNickle says:

        He said that his goal was to make the playoffs. Not guaranteeing, but that it was his goal.

        I see backwards moves. Sign Price to a very long term contract and do nothing to protect him. Leave this softer than Charmin group of defensemen in place and sign fourth line players to long term contracts.

        Gauthier acquired Bourque, Emelin(by signing him) and Staubitz. It isn’t as if he neglected the issues.

        For me, at this point the only difference between Gauthier and Bergevin is their levels of communication and the respect with which they’ve dealt with people.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Well, we look at in different ways. I see a different type of hockey being played by the Habs this year. Bringing in Prust is bringing in a fairly tough hombre who can play many more effective minutes than Staubitz could. Last I checked Bourqe and Cole were not cut or traded, so it isn’t like Bergevin is getting rid of the bigger players whom PG did acquire.

          Moen has always given an honest effort and was forced for many years to be the only enforcer on the team. I am fine with that contract. I would like to see MB add more size to the defence but the season has yet to start.

          MB is handcuffed by some large longer term contracts. Trading has been rather quiet so far with the uneasiness of the new CBA. I will wait until at least opening day before I denounce this roster. The team has been mismanaged for the past few seasons and it will take MB some time to rectify, in my opinion.

          • TomNickle says:

            I don’t blame you Gerald. I disagree with your opinion that a different type of hockey will be played though.

            As for Bergevin and Gauthier, the moves that Bergevin have made to this point have been very similar to the kind of moves made by Gauthier in my opinion.

        • bennayd says:

          >For me, at this point the only difference between Gauthier and Bergevin is their levels of communication and the respect with which they’ve dealt with people.

          Seriously? You cannot glaze over how PG ran his front office compared to MB. MB has attracted the likes of Rick Dudley (who wouldn’t have left the Leafs if it weren’t for Marc) and multiple scouts. Not to mention that he had the insight to put in place a refreshed emphasis on player development just as a new batch of promising prospects enter the Bulldogs squad. Under BG and PG we saw countless prospects spoiled because of poor player development/mentoring and impatience with these prospects. As for player personnel, the summer is young and until the on-ice product arrives, there is no way to judge for sure.

          • TomNickle says:

            I stand corrected regarding player development. He has definitely added two titles to the organization to help facilitate better development.

  51. frontenac1 says:

    Habsfan0.Youppi was the Mascot for the Expos. When they left town,he went to the Darkside. He is Evil and Must be Stopped.

  52. frontenac1 says:

    I really like that Dog mascot they have out there in Calgary. A good,honest,loyal soul. I was devastated when that Prick McTavish ripped his tongue out during a game on National Television a few year ago. There will be a special place in Hell for him!

    • habsfan0 says:

      Whatever happened to “Souki”, the Expos original mascot?

      Rumour has it that Youppi! had him rubbed out,much like LBJ did to JFK,with a similar coverup ensuing.

  53. Bripro says:

    Let’s inundate Bell with hate mail!
    I don’t usually do this, but there are people calling from NFLD to B.C. complaining about the closure of TSN990.

    We must protest! Here is where to send your opinions:

    bellmediacommunications@bellmedia.ca

    • Habfan17 says:

      When is it supposed to close down? I just went to TSN and they are broadcasting

      Habfan17

      • Bripro says:

        I called in, on the air, earlier today and asked Randy Tieman and Tony Marinaro what the timeframe is.
        “Within a year” was their answer, but this was announced to them this morning as well, so they didn’t know much more than what is reported here..

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Or you could tune in to TSN1050 and listen to even worse sports radio! The sports radio landscape is not that good in this country. Over on Sportsnet the Fan590, they have a good drive home show because of their host Bob McCown, but the rest of that station is drivel as well.

      It is too bad, but that is my view of Canadian All sports radio.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Thanks Bri. Will do. As an out of towner I listen to 990 often for my Hab news. I also frequent some of the station sponsors (Hurley’s, Old Orchard Inn, Baton Rogue) when i visit the City. I complain about the opinions as well but woild miss it. I need to learn french. My fault for not doing so. Dumb and lazy i guess. Cheers!

      ———————————–

      • Bripro says:

        Hey Jim.
        How’re you doing my friend?
        Haven’t seen your posts in a while (although most of us are in slow-down mode).
        I can offer crash-courses in french if needed, but I’m not cheap!
        And I’ll need a lot more money to buy a radio station and keep english sports talk-radio in Mtl. ;)

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Doing well Bri, thanks for asking. On a fishing trip with limited internet access. Trying to catch up on my Hab news. Burly and L send an Email to keep me updated.
          I tried the Rosetta Stone CD but work and my own laziness caused me to fail. Might take a college course this fall. Its on my bucket list. Do you plan on going to the summit? Would love to see you there. Be well!

          ———————————–

          • Bripro says:

            I told Burly last week that I’m not sure I can make it. It depends on the current contract (largest I’ve landed since 2006).
            Timing is everything.
            If nothing else, I will be a Hurley’s on friday night.
            It’s looking pretty good, but we’re negotiating this week, and I still don’t have all the details of this contract. I hope to have an answer for Burly by friday. I’ll let you know for sure.
            I’m assuming you’re going?….

          • Habfan10912 says:

            Yes. Look forward to it. The wife says i have been smiling since Ian made the announcement. She calls it the summit smile. :)

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  54. frontenac1 says:

    Youppi is an Evil,Orange,Bastard that must be Stopped!

    • habsfan0 says:

      Agreed. Youppi! has been involved with a franchise that was relocated,and his current employer just underwent their worst season in decades.

      Coincidence? I think not! Has anybody checked Youppi!s scalp for the digits “666”?

  55. Un Canadien errant says:

    Elliotte Friedman runs down the issues which will/might be addressed in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement.

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2012/06/nhl-collective-bargaining-the-issues.html

  56. HardHabits says:

    People. Robinson’s decision was made by Robinson. He chose San Jose. End of story. Get over it. Robinson is possibly my favourite Hab (as well as Jacques Lemaire and Yvan Cournoyer) from that era. I wanted Robinson to be named captain when Serge Savard hung them up. I would have loved to see Robinson behind the Habs bench (or better yet behind the Hamilton one) but it is not to be. Move on.

    Stop blaming. It was Robinson’s choice.

    And yes. GM’s have veto and do the hiring not coaches.

    • ZepFan2 says:

      Exactly!!

      If he really wanted to be here, he’d be here! He didn’t.

      ———————————————————————-
      “Them summer days, those summer days” – Sly Stone

      Hot fun in the Summertime

    • TomNickle says:

      If his first choice was Montreal as suggested by his agent it’s very disappointing.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I am in full agreement with you HH. Many people here refused to read the whole article by Stubbs a few days back evidently. Or at least the way it read to me.

      CHeers HH!

    • commandant says:

      Robinson has been out of this organization for almost 25 years. I don’t blame him if he doesn’t have loyalty anymore.

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    • LA Loyalist says:

      You are mostly right, but come on, no GM is going to piss off his new coach and tell him who is assistants are going to be. It’s 99.9% of the time not going to happen.

      Secondly, if you read much about Robinson, he gives a lot of weight to his personal ties, with Lou, with Coco, and apparently the GM in San Jose. If Carbo were the Coach, I think BBird would be here.

      Finally, give less weight to where his grandkids are, even though this is the story offered (and this doesn’t apply if they are north of LA, like San Luis Obispo or such) but LA itself is a drive from hell to San Jose: 5 hours, far worse than Toronto > Montreal, though the distance is similar.

      Further the flights, even though they are hourly pretty much on SWest, total at least 3 hours by the time you get groped by security and abused by SW stewards. Flying into LAX from anywhere else is just as easy. I went to San Jose from Burbank weekly for client meetings for about a year, trust me, I know about this. It’s hell.

      The day we hired Thierren is the day we lost Larry Robinson. Anything else is politesse. That’s no knock on Thierrien, maybe he’s going to be great, we have to give him his shot, but that, my friends, is the reality.

    • boing007 says:

      Robinson forgot the way to Montréal but he knew the way to San José.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  57. frontenac1 says:

    The Goat attending Hawks Camp?!!For Real?!!! I just gotta tell my Hawks buddy,He”ll Crap his Pants!! Ha!

  58. habsfan0 says:

    Has Youppi! been retained by Bergevin/Therrien?

    I haven’t heard anything. He must be sitting on pins and needles.

  59. TomNickle says:

    Those of you who believe that Coaches have full authority over the hiring and firing of their assistants need to do a bit of looking around.

    Specifically to Chicago, Montreal, San Jose, Toronto, Boston and others.

    • ZepFan2 says:

      Therrien hired his own staff.

      Stick to making up bogus trades.

      ———————————————————————-
      “Them summer days, those summer days” – Sly Stone

      Hot fun in the Summertime

      • TomNickle says:

        With the approval of Marc Bergevin.

        Claude Julien didn’t hire Craig Ramsay. Joel Quenneville didn’t hire Mike Haviland, Todd McLellan didn’t hire Larry Robinson. And there are several other examples.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Didn’t Chicago just fire the Asst Coach whom Bowman had hired, and didn’t they let Quenville bring in his own Asst. Coach just this past month?

          • TomNickle says:

            Yes because of the tremendous conflict that arose from Bowman hiring him in the first place.

            It was allegedly a compromise because of Bowman sending a scout down to the ice to run the powerplay during practice.

            Quenneville was reportedly furious.

        • savethepuck says:

          And didn’t Burke fire a lot of Wilson’s assistants within the last couple of years and replaced them?

          “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
          Carey Price

    • Luke says:

      As a point of reference; Burkie (vomit) said that when Carlyse-ie was hired, he was allowed to hire ONE of his Asst Coaches. Just one… the others were placed by Burkie (ugh).

  60. frontenac1 says:

    Too Bad about 990! When driving to Mtl. I could pick it up at Cornwall. I enjoyed it. TSN owns RDS,so I guess they figured more money on the French side. I will tune in to the RDS when I’m up there. Just hope they have more Hockey talk and Less of that soccer stuff. Hola!

    • Cal says:

      The English market in the Montreal area appears to be too small for a sports only radio network. The listening and viewing habits of only 10 years ago is so very passé that networks are scrambling for every penny. With no baseball and only hockey game coverage, the chances for high ratings virtually disappears from May to September. If the numbers were there, TSN Radio in Montreal would have survived.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Agree Cal, Bell is in the business of making money. The Sports radio market is a struggle, I would suggest this was as simple as what language will produce for us the most advertising dollars. That is what radio is all about.

    • Habfan17 says:

      It seems to me the radio station did fine before they were acquired by TSN. With the Als, Habs abd soccer and this year, the plympics, you would think they would still do well. First it was the half hour CTV sports show on Satrurday evenings that got axed, now the radio station, Something weird there!

      Habfan17

  61. neutral says:

    Between now and training camp there maybe a surprise on the way and I have a feeling it just might happen (Pleks or PK) could be the surprise… stay tuned.

  62. TomNickle says:

    Bell buying Astral media and shutting down an English sports radio station that just happens to have significant coverage of the Habs.

    Didn’t Bell just buy something else? Weird.

  63. frontenac1 says:

    I always liked when Marinaro was on L”Antichambre and he would call Bullsh*# on the latest love affair with some questionable Franco player. Guess that’s why he wasn’t invited back. That,and he’s a bit of a pompous dick.I like the other guys,Bluet,Le Tigre,Carbo and Gaston, they do at least have a sense of humour.and enjoy tormenting each other.

  64. Bripro says:

    I just called in to TSN990 and spoke with Randy Tiemen.
    It looks as though english radio will disappear in Montreal.
    It will be done within the year.

    • Propwash says:

      Supposedly they will move to 680am

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    • habstrinifan says:

      So no english broadcast of HABS game on radio? Although that wont be a major surprise. TSN990 was the first ‘paying rights’ holder of the English broadcast for some time. CJAD were not paying for the rights previously.

      • mdp2011 says:

        Not sure where you got that CJAD were not paying for the rights to broadcast Habs game, but that is not true. Bell media out bid CJAD for the Habs rights last year. Also, Astral media owns CJAD and Bell bought Astral media a couple of months ago, so it still on Bell media’s station.

        Edit: Habs games will be on CJAD if all of this is approved by the CRTC.

      • Willy says:

        CJAD will be covering the Habs again.

    • shiram says:

      Its the French speaking mafia, they are trying to force to learn french.

    • habsfan0 says:

      How long will it take for the English population of Montreal to follow suit?

    • Bripro says:

      Actually everybody, this decision comes from Bell.
      I don’t know about the rest of you, but I have Bell for everything.
      4 cell phones, my company and home lines, Bell TV and internet.
      If TSN disappears, videotron will be richer for it, because Bell can kiss my ass! Their service is bogus, and now they’re showing their true colours.
      The english in our fair province are being thrown under the bus at every turn.

      • shiram says:

        Tough choice, supporting the company owning a good chunk of the Leafs, or supporting a company vying to bring back the Habs old rival, the Nordiques!

  65. HFX-HabFan says:

    Supposedly Gauthier is attending the Blackhawks’ development camp- was spotted with Quenneville.

  66. TomNickle says:

    The early book on Marc Bergevin.

    Pros

    – Knows nearly everybody in Hockey.
    – Retained Trevor Timmins.
    – Hired Rick Dudley, Bobby Kinsella and Patrice Brisebois
    – Signed Price, Eller and Emelin
    – Addressed the issue of grit in the lineup at the forward position.

    Cons

    – Hired Michel Therrien
    – Has yet to trade or create a market for Kaberle
    – Has yet to address the weaknesses in scoring and on defense
    – Did not hire Larry Robinson

    The Unknown

    – Hired Mellanby, Lefebvre and Lapointe
    – Gomez situation
    – Subban contract negotiations

    I recall posting an opinion a while back that Bergevin would be given a tremendous amount of rope. It seems that Robinson not being hired is all Therrien’s fault. Funny at the end of the day it’s Bergevin’s call. Rome isn’t built over night there certainly shouldn’t be tremendous obstacles in toughening up the defense, finding some stop gap scoring help and hiring the right people to develop kids.

    I’m not going to gush over the hirings of Mellanby, Lapointe, Lefebvre, Jodoin, Daigneault and Gallant. Bouillon solves nothing short of adding hard work(though I like him). This team based on Bergevin’s work is now committed long term to Travis Moen and Brandan Prust which could prove to be a bad thing just as easily as a good thing.

    It’s early. But he hasn’t been as impressive as the media and the majority of fans believe.

    • shiram says:

      I won’t go on the specifics, but I think the last phrase sums it up nicely.

    • HFX-HabFan says:

      Another pro would the draft performance, at least based on initial reports (of course this won’t be proven until well down the line, and the draft is obviously a crap shoot in many ways).

      • TomNickle says:

        I attribute that to Timmins.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          And our position.


          Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • ZepFan2 says:

          You mean Bergevin couldn’t overstep Timmins and tell him to pick another player?

          It’s the same with coaching staff. The Coach picks his assistants, but the GM can nix it and cause friction.

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          Hot fun in the Summertime

          • TomNickle says:

            Who’s our head of amateur scouting? Trevor Timmins. His job is to do the talent evaluation and recommend players to draft.

            Marc Bergevin’s biggest role is the hiring of personnel(assistant coaches included) and delegating responsibility.

            Big difference there.

    • habsnyc says:

      I think the absence of any dramatic blunders is pretty much a win. Low expectations are way better than negative expectations. Gainey would be bringing a bunch of 40 year olds to Montreal if he had the chance.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

      • TomNickle says:

        When Gainey purged the 08-09 team and signed Cammalleri, Gionta and company he made the team significantly younger.

        He got younger when he traded Rivet for Gorges and a 1st.

        • habsnyc says:

          I was refering to Dallas signing Whitney, Jagr and Salo this offseason.

          But in 09 Gainey also signed Mara 30, Laraque 33, Gill 34, Spacek 35. He let go Koivu 35, Higgins 25 and McDonough. All the other players he let go were players he signed – Tanguay, Kovalev, Lang, Kostopolous, Schneider, Dandenault, Begin, Metropolit. I do not give him credit for signing veterans letting them age then bringing in new veterans.

          Yes, he made one trade for a young defenseman, but he also traded picks for rentals such as Tanguay and Schneider.

          Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • Cal says:

      July 10th, a mere 2 months after being hired, Bergevin’s decisions are already being questioned. By the way, a head coach hires HIS assistants, not the GM.

      You qualify your comments by writing that it’s early. It’s too early to have much of an opinion pro or con. MB hasn’t made any trades or signed UFAs besides Boullion.

      • TomNickle says:

        The GM has the authority to hire assistants Cal. The GM also provides the okay to the coach. If Therrien didn’t want Robinson, shame on him. If Bergevin didn’t have the balls to mandate hiring Robinson, shame on him.

        It’s not too early to have an opinion by the way.

        And on the signings. He signed Prust and Armstrong.

        • Cal says:

          Still, my point is this: the railroad out of town is never too early for you, it seems. The Habs haven’t played 1 game, ffs.
          EDIT- Still raising Kane?

          • TomNickle says:

            I didn’t say he’d done well or poorly. Merely that he’s being praised repeatedly for doing little work.

            He’s done good things and bad things early on. That’s it.

            You think I want him fired?

        • HardHabits says:

          Screw that nonsense. If, and that is a big CAPS LOCK ITALICIZED IF, Therrien didn’t want Robinson that is his decision. No shame whatsoever. Even so. Robinson would have been better off in Hamilton not Montreal. As it stands it is Robinson that wanted to be close to his grand-children.

          • TomNickle says:

            That doesn’t mean for one second that Marc Bergevin didn’t and doesn’t have authority and input on the hiring of assistant coaches.

      • boing007 says:

        CNN does a report card on the President every week. That’s the way it goes these days. Everybody’s being scrutinized 24 hours a day.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I agree it is early. I am not 100% sold that the Robinson decision was made completely by MT. I would think you would need your the signature of someone a little higher than a head coach to put someone on payroll.

      • TomNickle says:

        That’s my point. I believe Bergevin at the very least shares equal blame for Robinson not being hired.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I know, I was agreeing with you. To believe otherwise is foolish

        • habsnyc says:

          I agree that hiring an icon like Robinson is not something a coach does or does not do without checking with ownership. And it is fine to be critical of giving a four year deal to a fourth line player. It is a buyout waiting to happen.

          Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

          • TomNickle says:

            It isn’t just Robinson. Mike Haviland, Craig Ramsay, Keith Acton and the list goes on and on.

      • Mr.Bell says:

        Who said that Daigneault wont do a satisfactory job? Why cant Therrien just hire whomever he feels he will work with best? To say that NOW we wont win the cup because either the GM or the HC did not hire the appropriate (in your opinion) asst is absurd. The Habs will falter next year and its a building process with this new regime. Why try to find so many faults this early into the off season. Give it some time and just enjoy the team and the future moves that are still to be made!

        Once a Habs fan Always a Habs fan! GO HABS GO!

        • TomNickle says:

          I didn’t once say that hiring Daigneault was a bad move or that Robinson would have won this team the Cup.

          As for trying to find fault. Perhaps you should read the Pros portion of my list and do your best not to put words in my mouth next time.

          • Mr.Bell says:

            so if your feeling that hiring Daigneault is not a bad move then why throughout this thread are you discussing the error of not hiring robinson? Also as far as your pros, my main reply was not to the fact that you stated pros or not it is to the fact that no one is really discussing those pros. Instead its all directed at the inability of management to hire robinson and ” who do we blame first if they start off on a losing streak”. I think that there are many positives to this team going forward and i completely agree with the pros list that you have presented. I just dont see why the negativity needs to creep into alot of posters comments on this site is all.

            Once a Habs fan Always a Habs fan! GO HABS GO!

          • TomNickle says:

            It isn’t negativity Tom. It’s balance. So far Bergevin has been the second coming of Sam Pollock.

            Daigneault did not do extensive work with Ryan McDonagh and Michael Del Zotto as some have mentioned. But that doesn’t mean he’s a bad hire. Time will tell there. But if you have the opportunity to hire Robinson and pass it up, you’re either too proud or too foolish to see what he brings. That’s a big if of course but the point remains.

            The post in its entirety was meant to show that Bergevin’s being lauded for work that is neither terrific or terrible. Just average. I say average because there are areas he’s addressed albeit with risk and there are big areas he’s yet to address that could have been with modest sacrifice.

          • Mr.Bell says:

            Well ill end it with the fact that its July 10th. Plenty of time for the management team, not just MB, but his whole staff, to make some moves and hopefully change your perception of his future as a habs GM.
            Once a Habs fan Always a Habs fan! GO HABS GO!

          • TomNickle says:

            I have to believe he’s a Hockey God do I?

            I’m saying he’s been neither great or terrible. What’s wrong with that?

          • Mr.Bell says:

            I dont believe i ever said “GOD” my first post was mainly directed at trying to look at pros more than cons and comment more on the improvements that are being made. Since it is early in the offseason maybe MB can make some moves and change your perception that hes not average but maybe above average. even if that doesnt happen this offseason, im willing to give this management team a few years to put everything in place. Last year really sucked watching habs games and im all for a proper restructuring of the team from the ground up. Im willing to wait and to hold off criticism until this management team has had a few seasons under their belt.

            Once a Habs fan Always a Habs fan! GO HABS GO!

          • TomNickle says:

            So adding Brendan Prust, Francis Bouillon and Colby Armstrong and leaving Yannick Weber and Rafael Diaz makes this team better?

            I said he’s doing an average job. You seem to disagree or would prefer he get more time. Funny thing is that I’ve never said he won’t do a good job, didn’t say he doesn’t deserve more time and didn’t say his moves to this point have been bad.

            The draft and the early days of free agency are where you make significant changes to your team. His team finished in last place in its conference last season.

            Staying the course with a last place team produces the same result.

            If he isn’t going to make significant changes to the top 6 forwards and to the defense the results will not change.

            He’s now at a point where he can’t do that without overpaying in value.

    • habstrinifan says:

      “It’s early. But he hasn’t been as impressive as the media and the majority of fans believe.”

      I am leaning that way too Tom.

    • stgermda says:

      Realy… scoring weakness on defence -Markov and Subban both could get 50 points this year + kaberle will get 40, not many teams have that much point potenial from their D.

      • TomNickle says:

        Scoring weakness AND defense.

        Not the same. Our defensemen should be able to score plenty of points. But they’ll also be the cause of a tremendous amount of goals going into our net because they aren’t suited to stop opposing teams.

    • ZepFan2 says:

      FYI, the Coach picks his assistants not the GM.

      If Robinson truly wanted to be here, he would have been. I’m not buying for one second that Larry really wanted to be here.

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      Hot fun in the Summertime

    • alfieturcotte says:

      Fans were thirsting for anyone but Gauthier. So I think Bergevin has been riding that wave a bit. However, a closer look at the candidate and his moves to date leaves me unimpressed. I fear there is little substance behind those trendy glasses. Was he at all involved as GM or Asst GM for the Hawks rebuild/sucess of the past years? I believe that credit belongs to Dale Tallon.

      His new player moves to date have been tweaks at best (Armstrong, Prust). He overpaid for Price by several million, failed to hire Robinson – the best assistant coach available, hired Therrien (sorry, anyone from AntiChambre should not be coaching the Canadiens), has yet to sign our most valuable asset (PK SUbban). and has not improved our offense.

      I don’t see it. We might have hired the second coming of Gauthier (albeit, with a much more fan/media friendly personality).

      • Mr.Bell says:

        ummmm dude its july 10th. Cut the man some slack. IF the season starts on time MB still has close to THREE MONTHS to shape the team to his liking. Once again its only July 10th! chillax.

        Once a Habs fan Always a Habs fan! GO HABS GO!

        • alfieturcotte says:

          Ummmm, I see no reason why he can’t be evaluated on his credentials (past admin functions) and his moves to date as GM, none of which have been impressive.

          If and when he makes changes in the future, those will be taken into consideration in this evaluator’s opinion.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Re your “Cons”

      1. The jury has to be out on Therrien, let’s be fair. I didn’t want him, I wanted Carbo and Big Bird, but I’m not the gm :-(
      2. re Kaberle, again, you have to give him time, a market for Kaberle could happen in March, but he is a very hard piece to move.
      3. scoring and defense, well, he drafted Alex G, which we all (pretty much) wanted. While not helping immediately, it at least defines the window we need to address (2-3 years, Shane Doan anyone?)
      4. Larry Robinson. Yes, here I agree, but by hiring Therrien he killed that. Was never going to happen.

      I would not have hired Therrien, he only got 4% of the vote on HIO, so I think we were all stunned. We have to pray Bergevin is smarter than us, and the Coach is very motivated to prove us all wrong.

      With GMs, judgment is generally deferred, which makes it a better job than coaching, where judgment occurs every game.

      • boing007 says:

        No doubt that Therrien is motivated to prove us all wrong. And of course he is motivated to succeed. I just don’t like him, that’s all. I imagine him as one of those BMW motorcycle riders that wear white pants, white jacket, white gloves and a white cap. Guess I’m a snob.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  67. kempie says:

    Former Canadiens, Senators and Ducks GM Pierre Gauthier is at #Blackhawks prospect camp. Watched from stands next to coach Joel Quenneville.
    Retweeted by Arpon Basu

  68. joeybarrie says:

    Wikipedia confirms, Semin to Pitts…… MUST BE TRUE. now we wait for Eklund.

  69. HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

    so zach parisAY want his name pronounced the amercian away parEASY, snubbing his french roots, wonder how the french media will treat him now

  70. frontenac1 says:

    I love Sports Radio but living halfway between Mtl and TO ,I don’t get it. I now have XM sat. in my car. NHL Network sucks! (Ass Kissing Suits) Mad Dog is good but almost no Hockey.Oh,Whoa is me…..

  71. otter649 says:

    So when TSN990 moves to AM690 it becomes RDS690 & no English sports talk in Montreal & Habs English PBP moves back to CJAD ?

    • axxerd says:

      As an anglo living in Newfoundland, who listens to TSN990 all day every day at work. I’m incredible annoyed by this decision…

      I even used their ads for bars/restaurants to plan my itinerary when I traveled to MTL last October…and again for my upcoming trip in 2 weeks to see Coldplay.

      —-
      Newfoundland’s biggest Habs fan. Hands down.

  72. TomNickle says:

    For those wondering why Morrow might be available for trade by Dallas. He’s Guy Carbonneau’s son in law. Dallas just hired Bob Gainey.

    It could be a messy situation. Doubtful but possible.

    • The Jackal says:

      Would they really try to trade him because of their feud? I hope not, there should be real hockey implications driving trades, not just some Carbo-Gainey feud.

      Not all oysters produce pearls, thankfully, Price is a pearl producing oyster.

    • mksness says:

      it would be messier if Morrow played with semin

    • habsnyc says:

      He is their captain, has an NTC, has been with the team since 1999 and is in the final year of his contract. I would assume the team would maximize his value at the trade deadline, should he request to be moved to a contender. But he is married with three kids in Dallas. It is doubtful he accepts a full season trade to a different conference.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.


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