New features added to HIO, more to come

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It’s been a busy few days here at HI/O headquarters as we respond to your passionate comments about some of the changes we’ve made to our site. We’ve been working through the weekend to make some fixes based on your feedback.

  • We’ve restored the log-in box to the site, so now you can log in or create a new account in the box under the FOLLOW US links on the right-hand side of all pages.
  • When you comment on a post, your signature will once again appear next to your user name and logo pic.
  • We’ve increased the number of comments displayed under the post.
  • You can now go back and edit your previous comments.

Over the next few days, we will be rolling out a few more tweaks, including:

  • Reintroducing individual profile pages so you can see more info about HIO members
  • Adding like/dislike features for the comments

Some people are still having issues creating their Gravatar icons. We’ve made a few fixes to the instructions we first posted on Saturday, so please take a look at our Gravatar post again. Hopefully, it should answer any problems that arise.

As always, please keep your feedback and questions coming in the comments section or by sending an email to hockeyinsideout@montrealgazette.com

Thanks again for your patience.

68 Comments

  1. boris420 says:

    test

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  2. lenny says:

    test

    I hate the Bruins, really I do!

  3. Bill J says:

    Likely just a bug. But

    When a post is deleted, the replies go to the VERY end of the thread. (or earliest post on the thread)

    Weird glitch I’ve noted due to some posts being deleted.

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  4. Anonymous Canadiens Fan says:

    There are always going to be 2 sides to the argument, and i’m sure there are going to be people here that are going to get their backs up, but I think this site has taken steps backwards in its redesign and branding. I don’t see the need to generalize and change the name to hockeyinsideout, why not stick with habsinsideout? Majority of the readership here is for Habs news, not just hockey in general…i’d go to NHL.com or Hockeynews for other teams. Second, why the corporate-looking standard template style design? The old site was much more on point, where the headlines popped, hockey seemed to be the main focus (as opposed to ads here) and generally had a much more attractive skin. Sites aren’t solely about content, user experience has to be a major factor, where this design bitterly fails, IMO.

  5. habsindepth says:

    Can’t figure out how to change my profile pic, any pointers to the right direction would really be appreciated.

    EDIT: Also would like to know if there’s any way one can get notified for any replies to ones comments.. that would be an awesome feature to have on the site!

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  6. sillywalk says:

    Is there some reason we’ve turned sanity upside-down again by placing the more recent comments at the top? Where on the web besides here works to be this cockeyed? Do we read newspapers and books from the bottom to the top? You guys finally had it right with the NORMAL sequence of top to bottom, but changed it for the people who obviously never go anywhere else on the ‘net. Shame.

    • sillywalk says:

      Or to put it the way comments appear:

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    • habsindepth says:

      I believe most sites work with Newest comments on top.. it makes sense because you don’t want users to scroll all the way down to read the recent comments. In fact, not sure where you see oldest to newest comments on the web (tsn.ca, cnn.com, ESPN.com) are just a few examples of sites that show newest to oldest comments. If the sites have high traffic and 100s of comments are posted on the site, it’s better to have the newest ones show on top, you are not going to sit and read 400 comments to get to the latest person who has to say something on a story!

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      • sillywalk says:

        Can you find me one? No where I go shows newest first. Not a single forum software is designed like that, and obviously neither is WordPress, the most popular blog software there is. None of the normal blog sites feature latest first.

        Regarding your point about reading all of the comments again to see the newest ones; most sites feature a ‘newest’ link to quickly take you to the last read post.

        • idle says:

          I’m sorry sillywalk, but your argument is confusing me a bit. It is very common to see the most recent comments first. Many sites give you the option to sort them either way but it is by far more common to be defaulted to showing the newest comments first. In fact was the old forum not set to show the most recent comments first?

          Even with the most recent comments showing first your backwards post above is not a fair example because the replies are shown underneath not above. Example:

          This is comment 3 blah blah blah
          THis is the reply to comment three blah blah

          This is comment 2

          This is comment 1

          It is no different then the headlines on a news site. As new headlines are placed the older ones drop down. Would they put the new headlines at the bottom?

          • sillywalk says:

            Yes, the old site showed them this way and it made no more sens then than it does now.

        • habsindepth says:

          I just listed three major sites that show “Newest comment” first. And you still asked me for a site as an example?

          Please go visit tsn.ca , click on an article and then go check the comments below.
          Also, while you are at it, visit cnn.com and ESPN.com as well, I’m sure you will notice the same when it comes to comments. In fact, most web software, such as WordPress, Drupal Jumla, all give you options to put your comments as newest first or oldest first, but all default to “newest” first. This site, if you haven’t been able to tell, is obviously being built on WordPress, and it sure is showing you the comments in the way most of the internet works as of now.

          You are probably confusing this with forums, if you are a frequent visitor to the forums, sure, I understand, the replies to a thread go in chronological order. But this is not a forum.

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          • sillywalk says:

            Other news sites don’t allow replies to the specific comments, do they? New comments from the bottom up, new replies from the top down. Geez, that’s consistent. And why would anyone want to read new comments from the bottom up? What purpose does this serve? You can’t say, “Then we know which comments are new”, because you still have to find the last place you left off reading for anything to make sense.

            WordPress, by default, shows comments in the order they appear. Not backwards like this.

        • Anonymous Canadiens Fan says:

          This site is designed in WordPress it appears…

  7. twilighthours says:

    My biggest concern is comment threads and organizing on the mobile site. I visit from my phone as much or more than from a pc – and I suspect that this will only increase (for me and every user) as time goes on.

    Thanks for responding to the minions, Kevin et al

  8. Great Job Web Masters.

    39 Years Old Here, I love the New look.

    However, you should have some players, or maybe a shot of the Bell Center Crowd in the background around the outside of the page. Fade it in so it doesn’t stick out too much, maybe a 50-75% fade in. Then for fun, every time a Hockey Inside Out Member is at a game, they (the member) could take a picture of themselves in the crowd. That picture could be sent to you, you crop it into the website background, and see if anyone spots it. Leave it for a few weeks, so that it doesn’t become a major task, or if the idea is a success, once a week.

    They Call Me Shane

  9. frankcasting says:

    Loving the Habs since 1965

  10. Rudy says:

    Can we get the feature back that indicates “New” comments since the last time we viewed the page?

    “Start the season with a clean equipment bag and a freah bucket of febreze!”-CharlieHodgeFan

  11. gloveside says:

    Still torn about the new site. No so much torn about the actual new site so much as the slimy way our “Habs” [gotta watch how you use that. I've heard that parentheses saves a lot of lawsuits] forced the change. Still not sure how p.o.’d and betrayed I feel just yet, but it’ll come. Maybe we could go to “Habs” Inside/Out.

  12. idle says:

    Appreciate the effort guys.

    A couple things I would like to see if possible:

    Somewhere (in the dashboard?) where we can see a list of post that we have made so we can easily go back to them and check for replies. This would be great now that we can link directly to a post instead of just to the top of the article it was posted in.

    In the dashboard we can see the latest 5 posts made to the site. Is it possible to increase that? It is a good way to keep up with the conversation especially if you are following more then one article.

    Maybe there is a way to keep some ‘feature’ articles showing on the main page for a couple days. Even just a few text links to them somewhere. This would be particular articles that are receiving the most comments or are meant to be debated. As an example last night you posted a question asking for opinions on fighting in hockey, but it was quickly pushed off the page into obscurity as new articles were published. Even on the old site many times there was an article that was generating good conversations but was quickly pushed down by new articles that were not as … ‘discussable’. I know you have the drop down menu for ‘popular’ but that only show the topics with the most overall comments and even then only shows 3.

    Thanks again for your work

  13. HugeHabsFan says:

    Hey Kevin – really liking the changes. I was skeptical at first, but you guys have really been busy getting things going. Great job!

    ………..

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  14. Chuck says:

    First of HI/O team, kudos on all of the effort put in to make the migration to the new site as seamless as possible, and for putting up with our gripes. We can be a fickle bunch, can’t we? :)

    Personally, if there’s one thing that I’d change it would be the width of the columns. I’d think that most folks on the site are viewing on some sort of a widescreen, so there ends up being a lot of unused blank white area on either side of the main column. This means that there’s a lot of scrolling involved in reading a long article.

    Increasing the width would allow for more posts on the screen, too.
    Also, a post preview feature would be cool.

    Just my 2 cents.

    Chuck

  15. habitual says:

    I am still unhappy that if I create a Gravatar for this site, it will appear in all sites that support Gravatar. I use my email for a lot of sites. I don’t want Gravatar to decide what gets displayed on them, and I have no intention of re-creating a bunch of different email addresses to avoid the problem.

    Fascism! After losing the Habs part of the HIO name, this is the worst of the changes.

  16. 514Roy33 says:

    Like the new look but what happened to player stats and the standings?

  17. Keith says:

    I’m getting used to the changes, still not crazy about them, but I (we) have no choice in the matter. So is this what it’s like to be addicted to heroin?

  18. Propwash says:

    Are there going to be instructions on how to bold/underline/bullet/stuff like that?

  19. Bill J says:

    Fixed – Thanks H I/O :)

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  20. Mr.Hazard says:

    Good! Glad to see some responses!!

  21. Danno says:

    I’m not in favour of a like/dislike feature either.

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  22. Everlasting1 says:

    Great..a like/dislike feature..always turns into a popularity contest, rather than content. The kiddies will like this.

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    • Bill J says:

      Afraid to see what people think of you EverlastingPest ?

      Suck it up! It’s coming!

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      • Everlasting1 says:

        That’s the word..afraid. You da man.

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        • Bill J says:

          By the H I/O rating system, your “-1″ actually equals “+1″

          :P

          EDIT as a reply to below post:

          “Looks like I get the last word. Just so that there is no confusion..I ‘dislike’ you. :P
          You must be terrified by that.”

          I’m trembling in my feet.

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          • Everlasting1 says:

            Looks like I get the last word. Just so that there is no confusion..I ‘dislike’ you. :P
            You must be terrified by that.

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  23. Bill J says:

    Thanks for this thread H I/O team! :)

    – The increase to comments ? I do not think it has been rectified. I was just speaking to “The Cat” on a thread. Helping him with his gravatar. (which he was able to get & he thanked me) – I tried to reply “Your welcome” & was not able to reply.

    His marked the “5th” post – or 4th reply to the initial post. I realise this is due to lack of real estate on the page, but I suspect the real estate on the left hand side of the page could be utilized a bit better – thus possibly enabling 6th & 7th replies.

    Other then that. Excellent updates guys! And can not wait for the Thumbs up/Down option :)

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  24. HardHabits says:

    I’ll admit I did not like the new format at first, however I am begrudgingly and reluctantly changing my POV. It’s nice to see HIO take to heart the concerns of its denizens and make the necessary changes. Kudos to connecting with the community. Keep up the good work guys. HIO will rule once again.

    Don’t want to make you all think your work is done. Still more work is needed to bring the site up to scratch. I am confident however that the needed upgrades will be made.

  25. The Cat says:

    Avatar test…again…

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  26. Robert L says:

    Hi Kevin. Just wondering if the Summit tab or page is a victim of the changes. Thanks.

  27. habs11s says:

    TEST

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  28. jbroderi says:

    Love the idea of being able to like or dislike comments.
    Cooke got 10 games plaus the first round of the play-offs. Hopefully Campbell will be this tough in the future.

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  29. samTHEman says:

    nvm fixed it

  30. Landof10000lakesHab says:

    •Adding like/dislike features for the comments

    With this feature in place, I see a positive increase in posts from those who currently choose mostly to view and not participate.

    Was hoping this would occur.

    Thank you.

  31. habsfan reduxit says:

    Hi Kevin et al,

    … like many others, I’m not thrilled with the new site. I don’t care for the pale white appearance, but like others, I can get used to it.

    … what I really miss is the morning lineup of various links on which to click, the list of Gazette stories and other pertinent columns from further afield. If that could be reinstituted, I’d appreciate it.

    “Whenever you have the puck, and don’t know what to do with it, put it in the net.” – Toe Blake

    • Kevin Mio says:

      Re: habsfan reduxit

      The morning roundup of links is not a victim of the redesign, it just has not been done recently.
      Fear not, it will return.

      Thanks for the continued feedback.

  32. t1tan5 says:

    Keep up the good work! One thing I would like to see improved, however, is the comments page. If you remember from the old HIO, Page 1 was always filled and older comments were rolled back to Page 2 one by one as new comments came in. I found this convenient since all I had to do was to refresh the page to see new comments. On the new HIO, we fill out the pages one by one instead of having Page 1 always filled with the 50 or so most recent comments. The biggest disadvantage to the new system is that if I’m the last one to comment on a particular page, nobody will ever see it because the very next comment will end up on a brand new (and empty) page.

  33. habsfan0 says:

    Matt Cooke got what he deserved. What a Bubble Headed Booby!

  34. filincal says:

    someway to tell when it’s a reply to a post or simply a comment, on my iPhone. The times of the comments aren’t seen so the threads are sometimes incoherent.
    other than that great mobile improvement.

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  35. secretdragonfly says:

    Still not impressed but dealing with it.

  36. J.J. of Turku says:

    Grrreat!

    Thank you for listening to us!

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