Nathan Beaulieu and his father Jacques plead guilty to assault

Canadiens’ first-round draft pick Nathan Beaulieu and his father Jacques have pleaded guilty to assault, the Canadian Press reported on Wednesday. Both were granted conditional discharges.

The charges stemmed from an altercation at a house party in April that left two people with minor injuries.

Lawyer Patrick Ducharme said the ruling will allow Beaulieu and his father to continue their hockey careers, the CP story said.

“That means that there is no conviction registered,” Ducharme said. “The court accepts their taking responsibility for it, but instead of convicting the accused they gave each of them a discharge.”

The Canadiens selected Beaulieu 17th overall in the 2011 NHL entry draft. The 6-foot-1, 20-year-old defenceman played last season for the Hamilton Bulldogs and suited up for six games with the Canadiens, making his NHL debut on March 30 at the Bell Centre against the New York Rangers.

His father Jacques was dismissed in May as the general manager and head coach of the Sarnia Sting. When the team announced the news on May 30, Rob Ciccarelli, co-owner of the Ontario Hockey League team, said in a statement that “the reasons for his dismissal are not related to the on-ice performance of our hockey club.”

Beaulieu was a finalist for the OHL’s Coach of the Year award. The Sting posted a 35-28-1-4 record last season with him at the helm.



  1. hab fan in leaf jungle says:

    Another great French-Canadian father-son team of beer-swilling pugilistic troglodytes. Now sign Roy Jr. who knows how to bushwhack an innocent kid on the advice of his father and bring back Theodore so he and his Dad can re-kindle their loan-sharking business beating up guys who can’t manage to keep up interest payments of 500% per week. Trade this Beaulieu kid. He has no talent (anyone watch the WJC?) and thugs should not be wearing the CH. French Canadians can’t play hockey any more and lack the character to be role models. Hey Molson explain to your kids how it’s OK to gang up on a guy and beat him up for telling you not to smash up the garage of someone whose house you are a guest in, as long as you can play a bit of hockey and speak French. Beaulieu is sick in the head like his Dad. The Habs know nothing about talent and have loaded up with French players and management all of whom are lazy and worthless. The Bulldogs are the worst team in the AHL French players can’t and won’t play the real tough hockey that is necessary to win Cups. You can delude yourselves into believing they can but a Cup parade will never happen in Montreal with these French guys wearing those sweaters. Briere???? Really?

  2. rhino514 says:

    Who says emelin is out till december? november is the educated guess from what i´ve always heard

  3. HabFab says:

    For those missing hockey action. Training camps have started in the CHL, preseason in the KHL, QMJHL, Swedish and Finnish leagues. It is coming soon to your neighborhood.
    Gregoire had 2 goals in his first exhibition game.

  4. frontenac1 says:

    Hola amigos! Beauty day for some bass fishing! A good buddy of mine emailed me last night saying the Habs scored bigtime with Crisp. His son who is a goalie in the GTA knows him well. Oh yeah,Front doesn’t climb trees anymore,but you know what hurts? Everything,every morning! Saludos!

  5. Sportfan says:

    You’d think with the Emelin injury that Montreal would have signed another D-Man just to help out?

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

  6. Ian Cobb says:

    A mid-summer fix: It won’t be long now boys and girls!!
    Enjoy! this.
    May 2, 2013 (Montréal Canadiens vs. Ottawa Senators – Game 1) – HNiC – Opening Montage
    Official HNiC website: All rights reserved to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC).

  7. habstrinifan says:

    I read the posts and last night’s quarrels in sleepy amusement this morning. Too comatosed to participate until the following:…

    “am not a fan of “rant” Fridays. There is enough negativity out there, we don’t need to add to it.”

    I must disagree… sometimes only a rant will do because..
    A rant is not apologal; a slow unwinding parable.
    A rant is not soliloquised; premeditations extemporised.
    Imagine yourself, in khaki shorts wedged up your butt from activity, As you had ascended to the spathe of a 30ft coconut tree.
    Into the well you reached to hang and dangle
    And felt a wakened serpent vexedly untangle.
    You slide to earth against the trunk, in agony from peeling skin,
    As dry rough bark abrase your groin and parts meant for your pubescent sin.
    Even if you’re liquored up like Frontenac
    A Effing Rant is how you’d act.

  8. HabFab says:

    Roster Status

    Habs have 5G + 13D + 25F under NHL contracts for this season.
    RFA Tokarski (G) still has not been signed.

    Bulldogs have a further 2D + 4F under AHL contracts.
    Erik Nystrom (F) is on a 25 game PTO contract.

    Seven players were on the injured reserve to end the season. Prust and Price are reported healed, Quailer and Holland participated in the Prospect Camp.
    Emelin not due back from knee surgery until December.
    Gionta has no date for return from bicep surgery.
    Nattinen has no date for return from shoulder surgery.
    * I would expect both Gionta and Nattinen to be ready by season’s start.

  9. twilighthours says:

    Man, quiet this morning.

  10. JohnBellyful says:

    More headlines, for the mornin’ folks:

    Chara denies using Inhuman Growth Hormone

    Gays razz Putin, end up seeing tsars

    Wallin defends season pass to Senators’ games

    Moen seeks treatment for mildness

    Worm farmer/Hab fan preaches calm posts

    Sookie says Sochi sucks

    Jets’ bench strength tested as Buff tops 300 lbs

    Price improves game after gaining Waite

    Selanne explains staying power: Olay, Olay, Olay, Olay

    Cole’s Clutterbuck mispronunciation goes viral

    Summit riot blamed for pub’s razing

  11. thebonscott says:

    So i am going out on a limb here, but, the guy from this years draft that everyone is going to love in a few years is Connor Crisp. Mark my words that Timmins hit a home run, with him.

    Habs Fanatic Since 1984

  12. HabFab says:

    Habs Schedule

    Sept 3rd – Golf tournament
    Sept 5-10 – Rookie Camp
    Sept 11th – Medicals
    Sept 12th – Main Camp
    Sept 15th – First exhibition game
    Oct 1st – First regular season game

  13. HabinBurlington says:

    In light of the rhetoric going back and forth between the Senators and JP Barry, here is a neat read on a day in the life of Pat Brisson.

  14. Timo says:

    @Front – damn right, Alberta AAA.

  15. Propwash says:

    Off to Florida later on Saturday for a 6 day Caribbean cruise. Departing Sunday from Lauderdale, then off to Key West, then Grand Cayman, then Jamaica. See you all in 6 days! Cheers!


  16. Da Hema says:


    I read your assessment of the Chargers. You should consider yourself fortunate. As a Cowboys fan since I was a glimmer in my dad’s eye, I must now force down my bile when I see Jerry Jones’ smirking, decrepit face on tv. Like you, I am not a fair-weather fan, so I will stick with my Cowboys. But at least you do not have to be subjected to the owner of the Chargers each time you watch them play.

  17. punkster says:

    Ain’t got no Friday rant..,but if you can have as much fun at your job as Hiromi does at hers then you’re doing OK.

    ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

  18. habsgod says:

    Tomorrow’s alouettes riders game will be a good one there will be 42,000 seats filled(complete sellout) (just like paul macCartney did wed here in regina) in mosiac stadium at taylor field,i think my boys (the saskatchewan roughriders)with kory sheets will blowout the alouettes …can’t wait until our habs start playing,…. cfl football fills the void until the habs drop the puck!

  19. habs11s says:

    Teams losing money is not exclusive to Florida or the desert…


    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  20. frontenac1 says:

    So Jim Popp gets busy and signs Sack Machine Anwar Stewart and Heisman winner QB Troy Smith. Too little,too late? Not for the CFL Imo. Go Als!

  21. frontenac1 says:

    @uce. Don’t worry amigo, I never bail on my team Just the liquor talkin”.Go Chargers!

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Same here. At least A-Jerk and Norf are gone. Not much Telesco could have done crippled by the salary cap (thanks to A-Jerk’s “I’m about to get fired” spending spree last year). Need to clear some space and draft well…two years away at least.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  22. habs11s says:

    I’d recommend watching the ‘KCT 2013: Going the Extra Yard’ video on TSN’s homepage… truly touching stuff IMHO


    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  23. Un Canadien errant says:

    Note to hockey-exclusive HIO readers: non-hockey related thoughts shared below. You may choose to skip this post.

    1) SouthLAnd is a really good police-action television series. Lots of focus on the police work, not so much on the soap opera side. Not quite as good as “The Wire” maybe, but on an equal footing with “The Shield”.

    2) I haven’t even looked at joining a fantasy football league yet this year. Mostly due to the Chargers difficult season to come, it’s putting me off my appetite. I’m thinking 4-12, fear a 2-14, they’re that bad. We do have a quality QB, and usually that’s worth six wins on its own, but that is nullified by a clown college of an offensive line.

    Another reason may be the mild disgust that is rising with me with respect to the meat-grinder aspect of NFL football. CTE. Injury settlements. NCAA players who generate billions in revenue but don’t get any medical coverage to deal with lifelong medical issues, especially those who don’t make it to the NFL.

    3) In almost-small town news, I posted yesterday a link on a larger-than-life Whistler character who passed away. Today we get some good news, RCMP Staff Sergeant Steve Leclair and his merry men catch some bike thieves in the act with a ‘bait-bike’ program. In the old West they used to string up horse thieves, well in Whistler that’s not far from what would happen to a bike thief.

    4) Finished off the Jack Reacher “Killing Floor” book, may read another, maybe not. I also finished “The Wild Trees” by Richard Preston, a twilighthours recommendation, loved it, it’s a great read. In the same vein, pick up “Forest Primeval”, an in-depth look at the life cycle of a coastal temperate rainforest, starting with a devastating wildfire that razes a mature forest to the ground, and going forward by the decade, and eventually centuries.

    My next read is Marc Maron’s “Attempting Normal”, a memoir by a dark comic, really harsh and introspective look at his life. Picked it up off the shelf at the library because I recognized his photo as the guy who has a hilarious but understated turn in Louis C.K.’s “Louie”, and on Letterman. So far so great. Up next will be Marc10‘s recommendation, Haruki Murakami’s “Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World”.

    5) Rain in Whistler today, pleasant change, we’ve have an awesome summer, but the forest is tinder dry and we need to bring the forest fire hazard rating down. Not one drop of rain all July, first time that’s ever happened in recorded history. The racers at last night’s weekly Toonie Race were all commenting how pleasant it was to have an evening ride that wasn’t baking hot for a change.

    6) We spoke of the firefighters who died in Yarnell on HIO last month. Well word has come out that the 6 FT firefighters who died that day will receive full survivor benefits for their families, but the 13 who were part-time are out of luck according to the L.A. Times. As they put it, maybe those guys should have only partially protected the community.

    The insane are truly running the asylum. If we don’t treat our doctors and nurses and teachers and police officers and firefighters fairly, if we send the message that the only careers worth pursuing are on Wall Street, we’ll end up with the society we deserve.

    Do we really want the ambulance attendants who show up when our mom needs help to be the lowest bidders? Or do we want them to be treated as the crucial professionals that they are?

    • twilighthours says:

      I’m of two minds on this, Normand.

      1) I’m beyond flattered that a fine man such as yourself would take one of my recommendations

      2) It’s not a stretch to imagine anyone loving that book. Seeing and hiking in the Redwoods is now a dream of mine. I want to see Hyperion, although that probably won’t happen. But the Lost Monarch/El Viejo/The Grove of the Titans is definitely doable – the directions are out there on the internet.

      I’ll definitely pick up your recommendation, too. Unfortunately, I’m not in a reading phase of my life – I read maybe 2 books a year. Embarrassing, I know.

      PS – Frank, if you’re interested: it took 1 hr 45 mins, but I won.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Sadly, my reading pace shoots up in the summer, but only because I disconnect the cable. You get a lot of reading done at the lake/beach on a sunny day, in between naps and swims.

  24. frontenac1 says:

    Frikkin Chargers! Not again?I’m feeling like a Damn Leaf fan!

    • doc359 says:

      Plenty of time to jump on the Patriots train with me!
      Its a lot more fun to watch Brady work than Rivers

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        That’s debatable. Watching Philip Rivers bomb it out to Vincent Jackson, Chris Chambers, Antonio Gates, Malcolm Floyd, Kassim Osgood, and with Ladainian Tomlinson, Michael Turner and Darren Sproles in the backfield, and with three Pro Bowlers on the O-Line (Marcus McNeill LT, Kris Dielman LG, Nick Hardwick C), was quite the show.

        How minor is Gisele’s husband’s ouchie on his knee anyway?

        • doc359 says:

          He just went 11/12, 80 YD and a TD on the 2 drives he had, so I’m feeling pretty confident on it.

          The bucs are also currently at negative yardage, so the defense is really stepping up this year.

          I am hoping for the Chargers to have a bounce back year, I’ve got Mathews and Gates in fantasy leagues

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Antonio, after a couple of injury-plagued season during which there were whispers that he was chubby and out of shape, has actually trimmed down noticeably by cutting out carbs. I won’t draft him unless he’s really cheap though, since like I said, the O-Line will be abysmal this year.

            Which brings us to Ryan Matthews. He looks impressive sometimes, and so far this pre-season, but his problem is consistency, maturity, discipline, and durability. I hope he’s turned a corner, and the Chargers may run a lot with Fluker at RT and since they can’t pass protect, but if I was you, I’d hope for a couple of good showings early by these guys, then sell high and trade them quick.

            Did I mention I’m not too optimistic this season?

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      You see my post below? I responded to your 11:32 hr post.

      I won’t be a fair-weather fan and switch teams, but we have three or four lean years ahead of us. Our Super Bowl window has definitely slammed shut.

  25. frontenac1 says:

    Steak? Rare. Alberta AAA or American Choice. Always with a good dry Red wine. Finish with a good cognac and Cuban Cigar. Don’t f*ck with this Amigos!

    • H.Upmann says:

      Can we discuss favorite cigars on here soon? We went there with pizza. .

      Buy yeah: romeo no. 4, hoyo no. 2, and partagas d4 (I used to buy underpriced d4s from Korean grocers.. Albeit they were very dry)

  26. petefleet says:

    That’s Hockey has just revealed their forwards for the olympics….surprise, surprise, 8/12 forwards are centres. Did we learn nothing from Wayne Gretzky’s experiment? Centres are not wingers. Do they really think that a guy who plays centre all the time will be a better winger than a real winger?
    I would argue that a team who has the players in the right spot on forward and who has the right defence on the right side will have the best chance at winning the medals. It is well documented that defencemen struggle on their “wrong” side and that centres struggle on the wing. It goes without saying that goal tending will also be crucial.
    Good segment on Price as well.
    I haven’t been wrong in a long time…..not feeling like today is the day.

    ***Go Habs Go***

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      While I agree to some degree, I think we shouldn’t go overboard the other way, and leave off a supremely talented centre for a ho-hum winger. Or include a leftie defenceman because he’s a leftie, and leave off Kris Letang or P.K. Balance is key. I don’t want a situation like when somehow a Kris Draper finds his way on the 2006 team, because we need a defensive forward to kill penalties. That was inane. If we want to kill penalties, let’s get a Patrice Bergeron and John Tavares to do that.

      • doc359 says:

        God, thats a great problem to have!
        I cannot wait to see the tournament.

      • petefleet says:

        I think Canada has enough talented wingers to not select a ho-hum guy in lieu of a centre, uber talented or not. I agree about Draper but I also think you need a balanced team in the Olympics. I would suggest a line up that has a 1a, 1b and 1c and a 3rd line of checkers. No fourth line needed in international play.

        I haven’t been wrong in a long time…..not feeling like today is the day.

        ***Go Habs Go***

  27. twilighthours says:

    Hey maritime Ron,

    I remembered your first post on this site, which wasn’t that long ago. I’m not going to go digging for it, but I’m pretty sure it was all about wanting to contribute positively to the conversation while trying not to ruffle too many feathers.

    How would you say you’re doing on that? Especially in light of your last few posts?

  28. savethepuck says:

    @Habfab, thanks for linking the top 25 under 25 every day. Since it’s a boring night, my top 5 would be ;
    1. PK
    2. Chucky
    3. MaxP
    4. Eller
    5. Gally

    I am curious to know what others would put down as their top 5.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

    • HabFab says:

      Interesting if Chucky bypasses Patches after his first year. I would switch those two, Chucky would win on potential but Max is ahead at the moment.

      • savethepuck says:

        Don’t remember the last time the Habs had someone play an NHL season in his draft year. And the kid finished 8th in scoring. All the other players played a minimum 2 seasons after their draft before playing a single NHL game. If PK hadn’t of won the Norris, I would of been tempted to put Chucky 1st. He is already head and shoulders ahead of the other 4 if you consider how they were doing at the same age.

        “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
        Carey Price

    • Phil C says:

      I like your order.

  29. Habitant in Surrey says:


    … 🙁

  30. Timo says:

    Alfredson asking for 7 mil per indicates to me that he wanted out. He is a douche bag. Senators are collectively a bunch of douche bags. End of story.

  31. JohnBellyful says:

    NSA just posted down below:

    “Longtime reader, first-time poster.
    I thought your phone calls and emails were strange but the nonsense you guys put up on this site is just totally weird. Makes some of that stuff you got encrypted on your computers look almost normal.”

  32. habs11s says:

    Today’s Food Debate: What temperature should a steak be cooked?

    Me? I prefer my steak ‘medium’


    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  33. HabFab says:

    So the 15th has come and gone with no Dustin Walsh signing. So please scratch him off your score card if you have not already done so…”sigh”

  34. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …checking-in from Kicking Horse Pass

    …the last 2 threads were on Nilan’s Irish Mob links and the Beaulieu’s mugging squareheads in Ontario

    …I have a feeling other teams may begin to perceive the Canadiens as psychotic enough to go wacko over any undue disrespect from here-on in

    …maybe the dayz of watching an opponent holding DD against the glass, with His feet dangling 4 feet above the ice are over

  35. Chris says:

    As everybody gets increasingly punchy, just remember that endless posts of line combinations and “Price Rules!” or “Price Sucks!” are just around the corner. Enjoy your last bit of relative (in)sanity!

    • savethepuck says:

      At least Weber wasn’t resigned, so we don’t have to see any more trade scenarios ;

      Moen + DD + Weber for ( insert elite player here )

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  36. HabFab says:

    Fight, fight!

    Could someone please point out which side represents the Beaulieu’s so that I know who to cheer for?

    Oh! And the antichrist Putin is invoked and so is Hitlers philosophical god. This could be momentous, possibly even require the multiple use of emoticons… yes!!!!

    • Ron says:

      I tried to get Jim to borrow a few last night but he declined the if you feel inclined please grab a couple and I won’t tell Normand. 😀 😀 😀 😀

    • Chris says:

      2 minutes for instigating and a game misconduct.

      • HabFab says:

        Did you see my link to the giant head post down below?

        I had a couple of managers working for me out of a branch office. Their private joke when I called to check in was “Prepare for an incoming call from the giant head”. Well… there are no secrets in this world and soon it got back to me. So the next time I called, I asked if both were there. “Yes” So please put me on the speaker phone. Now I need you to do something for me, are you ready? “Yes” While then please put your hands over your head with your fingertips together and prepare for an incoming message from the Big Giant Head!

        Yeah, I’m that kind of guy 😀

  37. JohnBellyful says:

    Aha, at last the truth comes out!
    It turns out Desharnais wasn’t born in Laurier-station, Quebec.
    His birthplace was in the States!
    Then again, he might not even be of this world.
    He’s little but is he green?

  38. Eddie says:

    I admit I am embarrassed that the USA is using drones to kill, and last week 1/2 the people killed were innocent civilians.

    I thought Obama was supposed to stop this??

    Imagine if the Russians were flying drones over Chechnya, or if the Iranians were using drones over in Syria, how crazy mad this place would get.

    When Obama was elected I figured he stood for something; something honest, something moral and ethical.

    What a disappointment.

  39. This Guy says:

    Help me out, who did we occasionally used to call special K, Koivu or Kovalev?

    • Chris says:

      Kostopoulos, obviously!

      I’m guessing that Special K was Koivu, and l’Artiste or Kovy was Kovalev.

    • Mike D says:

      I don’t remember a Special K. I know we called Koivu “Captain K” so I would assume Special K could have been another nickname for him. He was pretty special.

      I suppose you could also apply the nickname to either of the Kostitsyn bros……but that’s a different kind of special entirely.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny
      The CH stands for CHaracter…(apparently)

  40. piper says:

    I hope the Habs have relatively injury free season that will allow them to move Markov and Gionta at the deadline. Lets hope Bergevin can pull off a couple of Rivet type of deals like Gainey did. If both are having a decent season that should be easy to do.

  41. Bripro says:

    Since there are a sleuth of rants on this fine Friday afternoon, I figured I’d participate.
    Why do specialists, be they medical or otherwise, set up appointments if they’re going to make you wait anyhow?
    I have a 16:00 apt for my eyes. And there’s another in front of me who hasn’t passed.
    I haven’t eaten yet but witching hour is quickly approaching, and I tend to swell and turn green on an empty stomach.
    Why do they do that?
    If I made a customer of mine wait for 45+ minutes, he wouldn’t be a customer for long.
    It’s blatantly disrespectful.

    • twilighthours says:

      I hear ya, bri. It’s pretty crazy

    • Habfan17 says:

      I don’t consider this a rant, rather a question that deserves a response. It is a big lack of respect in my mind. basically it says to me that our time is not as valuable as their time. Although in reality it is a flawed system that contributes the most.

      On the bright side, I have one specialist and he insists that we be on time, he always is.


    • neumann103 says:


      It’s a 4:00 appointment. Two patients earlier in the day were in worse shape than expected and took longer to deal with. Another urgent case got shoehorned in at the last minute at the request of some alarmed family doctor or emerg doc who saw this guy yesterday. This is people’s complex health management, not a jiffy lube. You are going to have times where it would be malpractice to just send a patient on her way just because her 15 minutes are up. Frequently.

      Besides, it is not like your gastroenterologist is making up the schedule him/herself. It’s not personal. And it will be worse if it is a clinic or something like that where multiple people/ sources are contributing to the schedule.

      On the other hand my new family doctor apologized for being 8 minutes late to our first appointment. I probably would too, but would also expect that people would understand.

      One thing I would hope that doctors’s offices and clinics would do a better job of is communicating what is going on and setting expectations. I once had an 8:45 AM appointment at a fracture clinic at a local hospital. I was the second appointment of the day, but didn’t get seen until after 1:30PM. The people they wheeled in ahead of me were undoubtedly more in need but the worst was just having no idea. They can’t always say “go get a cup of coffee and come back in two hours” but some update would be nice. I definitely think that is a gap.

      “Et le but!”

  42. Habfan17 says:

    Since it has been so quiet on the trade and free agent front. I thought I would ask who you think will make the first trade?

    I have read that Phoenix feels they have the depth on defence to get a top 6 left wing. Colorado has tons of depth up front, but are still pretty weak on the back end. Then there are a few teams that could stand to upgrade in nets.

    So, who do you think will be first to trade? Who do you think may be traded or which free agents will get signed?

    I don’t expect Bergevin to do anything barring training camp injuries or prospects not being ready as projected. Then again, you never know!


  43. Habfan17 says:

    @ Sportfan
    In my humble opinion, Alfie was not treated badly, so it would be Koivu.

    The Sens always gave Alfie the time and space he wanted to decide if he was coming back. He complained he took a contract to help the team with the cap and that paid him under value last season, however, he neglected to mention that it was front loaded to compensate him and it was his decision to play again last season knowing what he would make. That is not on the Sens.

    The Sens always treated Alfie first class and paid him over $60 million over his career. Had he accepted the $4.5 million for this season, the chances are the Sens still would have traded for Ryan. His talk about wanting to have the best chance to win the cup rings very hollow. With Ryan, a healthy Cowan, Spezza, and Karlsson, the Sens have as much of a chance to win as Detroit, especially if Anderson plays the same way again.

    Koivu on the other hand never rocked the boat, always gave his all and as other posters have mentioned, would have still been an affordable and solid 2nd line centre for another year and then could have moved down to the 3rd line. he was at least as good as any of the players that Gainey brought in to “upgrade” the team, except for perhaps Cammalleri


  44. twilighthours says:


    There ya go, buddy. Now you’re getting into it. I had me some nice chuckles on your description of melon heads and wobbly ankles.

  45. Mavid says:

    3:53 on a lovely Friday afternoon “are you sure you want to quit” hell yea I am sure..

  46. Maritime Ron says:

    @ HabFanSince72

    Re your rant about printing of emails:

    I have actually read your nonsense previous rants and have actually had enough of those unchallenged ‘politically correct’ junk rantings.

    Please know I am apolitical and have no belief in any political Party, concept, or person.

    That mentioned, and following up on your post, I bet liberal left wing ‘never did nothing in their life’ flunkies like Justin Trudeau and Thomas Mulcair print their emails along with the current US President Spy Master on citizens down south…but of course a ‘secular humanist’ would always disregard that – where the secular humanists have basically destroyed the concept of a good and decent society with their off the wall sold beliefs and weird concepts.

    Is Harper the answer?
    Only unless one believes in a North American Union and US dominance concerning defense and NAFTA…and especially water issues.

    Folks like you are always for the US 1st Amendment….as long as it agrees with your thought process, and it is well documented that your style of belief will always want to stifle free speech when it disagrees with your beliefs.

    Your past anti Putin rants were an absolute bore while you sidesteped the alleged war crimes of your possible hero down south-The joke Nobel Peace prize winner that as Commander-In-Chief, has no problem ordering the drone killings of innocent women and children at wedding parties in Afghanistan and Pakistan to name only a few countries.

    If you need proof that the bought off MSNBC holds back, where Chris Mathews so loves the guy that he stated:
    ” I have to tell you, you know, it’s part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama’s speech. My, I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don’t have that too often.

    I apologize to the great HIO posters of many years for this political rebuttal rant, but reading that continuous posted BS garbage just finally got to me.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Let me guess
        A useless teacher paid by tax dollars that works 20 weeks a year

        • twilighthours says:

          No, that would be me or Bill. But you’ve showed us some of your character with that one post. Tsk tsk.

          • HabFab says:

            Chris and HFS72 are University “teachers”… union bros!

          • Chris says:

            Despite being a contract worker, I certainly don’t feel particularly useless given that I’m one of many who are involved in training the next generation of engineers, medical and veterinary doctors, optometrists, physical scientists, etc.

            I’m certainly not in this career for the money. I could make more working a service job at the local mall (how sad is that?).

    • Habfan17 says:

      Hey M.R.

      Personally, I come here to read about the Habs and hockey. I don’t have an issue with posts regarding other sports, but I find it odd that people come to post here about politics. If I want to read political opinions and views, I go to blogs and sites dedicated to them.

      I don’t think that was why this site was created. I would much prefer to discuss the state of the Habs defence, or who messed up the Alfie situation in Ottawa, if anyone.

      I am not a fan of “rant” Fridays. There is enough negativity out there, we don’t need to add to it.

      I for one, am looking forward to the end of the month when the rookies come to camp, then the beginning of Sept. when the main camp opens.

      Good on you for speaking up!

      • Chris says:

        As a long-time poster, you know as well as anyone that this site has always been about more than just hockey (or even more broadly about sports), right from day one.

        If people are looking for just hockey/sports talk, there are many, many alternatives where they will never be bogged down by people talking about politics, pizza, rants, golf, saloons, running programs, fan summits, dental work, weed whacker purchases, etc.

        People post that stuff because, in many cases, this website is in many cases a community, with many of the posters on this site having discussed things for well over 5 years. Almost all of us have “real-life” friends who we’ve known for less time than that and yet have no problem discussing just about anything. This site is no different.

        I’m afraid I can’t help people seeking only “positive” talk. There are just as many pessimists and cynics in this world as there are optimists and idealists. Good luck on ever finding a forum where people keep it positive all the time (and thank heavens for it, because there is nothing more boring and inane than a discussion solely involving optimists/idealists).

        The advice of skipping posts that don’t appear to be about hockey is probably a better and more productive path than spending any energy trying to encourage and/or enforce strict compliance to sports-only topics. That is never, ever going to happen on this site.

        • Habfan17 says:

          “Community stuff is fine and fan summits do have to do first and foremost withsports. I lthink it is great that Ian takes the time to arrange one every year! We can agree to disagree about posting negative thoughts. I will agree not everything is positive, but I don’t feel we need to emphasize the negative and encourage it.

          It is easier to point fingers and be negative than it is to be positive.
          I have no problem with friends talking about good pubs or the weed wacker they just bought. Just as you pointed out, there are other strictly sports sites and I do go to some. There are also just political sites and those who want to talk politics or condemn people for their views can go to the sites, created for that.

          Just like in life, you do not want to allow toxic people to steal your time and energy, why should we want that here!


          • Chris says:

            I don’t think either Ron or HFS72 are toxic, nor were their posts. Every once in a while you see a post where “Hunh?!” seems to be the most appropriate reply.

            I can’t think of many regular posters on here that are uniformly toxic, just some people who make ill-advised posts from time to time (including me!).

      • twilighthours says:

        What Chris said.

        Besides, maritime Ron and hfs72 are two of the more know-it-all members of this community, so it’s only natural that they butt heads from time to time.

        I hope it gets good

        • Habfan17 says:

          Butting heads from time to time can be fun and is expected. That is not a complaint of mine! There are a few posters on here that need to wear muzzles and seem to love to read their own posts! I guess I miss a lot, M.R and hfs72 aren’t ones that come mind


          • Chris says:

            Aw, man….did you have to mention muzzles to Twi? Now he’s going to be fitting me for one in his head! (XXXL, please)

          • Habfan17 says:

            @ chris… sorry about that 🙂

            I should have said I agree if we just agreed with each other and did not share our opinions and discuss them it would be very boring indeed. To me there is a big difference between expressing different opinions and being negative. Just thought I should clear that up. I love a good debate as long as each party is given equal opportunity to present their view and they don’t reduce the debate to personal attacks.


    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Hey Maritime Ron

      re your rant on my rant.

      I didn’t get past the second line.

    • ZepFan2 says:

      “Please know I am apolitical and have no belief in any political Party, concept, or person.”

      Sure you don’t…

      “I bet liberal left wing ‘never did nothing in their life’ flunkies like Justin Trudeau and Thomas Mulcair”
      Ka is a wheel.

      “On we sweep, with threshing oar.
      Our only goal will be the Stanley Cup!” – Danno

      For Your Life

  47. habs11s says:

    A big happy birthday to our goalie, Carey Price!!


    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  48. frontenac1 says:

    Got a new phone last week. My buddy sent me a dirty joke email with pictures of buck nekkid gals. I forwarded it to another buddy and it ended up at my old office. The secretary replied” Good to see you’re enjoying retirement Front,but please warn me before you send me these”

  49. Sportfan says:

    So out of the former Captains who got treated “worse” Alfie or Koivu when they left town.

    Right now I’m thinking Alfie cause everyone is well blaming everyone!

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

    • 24 Cups says:

      I think it has to be Koivu for sure. He easily could have stayed on as captain and eventually moved down to the third line centre position. It’s not like the Habs were able to replace him as the 2nd line pivot.

      Alfie was more a victim of the lockout changes in the CBA. He was one of the few players to lose a lot of coin as he got caught in the crosshairs of the lockout fire. As well, asking for a two year deal at 12M at age 41 is a a bit much. I think the perfect solution would have been for Ottawa to give him 6M for one year. He’s not worth that coin but it would help balance out the one year at low pay.

      The Habs are going to have an interesting time when it comes to re-signing Markov and Gionta. It may not go well.

      • Cal says:

        Markov and Gionta are playing their last season as a Hab. I expect both to be moved come trade deadline day or sooner if the Habs are having another bang up year (where they all get banged up). If Markov’s skating isn’t better, the Habs can’t afford to play him at even strength.
        Can’t wait for pre-season, though!

        • Da Hema says:

          Frankly, if the Habs have to sign Markov to play next year, the team is in deep trouble. It would mean none of our young defencemen are developing the way they should be. I will be very concerned if Markov is re-signed.

          • on2ndthought says:

            Look at the difference he made last year. He is our Alfie… sign him up!

            “a cannonading drive”

          • doc359 says:

            Unless he is resigned at a home town discount (crazy now a days, I know), and then he could very well be a non-top 2 guy who can help bring in the new guys. Subban has the top spot locked up, with Gorges, Emelin, and Tinordi likely fighting for Top 4 spots by the start of next season. The Bull is obviously gone, with Beaulieu coming up and likely securing a spot. Subban-Gorges, Emelin -Tinordi, Markov – Beaulieu seems pretty awesome to me. The Power play being Subban – Markov, Beaulieu – xxx (probably Subban again), while the PK is Subban – Gorges, Tinordi – Emelin

        • Chris says:

          If the Habs are in the playoff hunt, I don’t see either guy getting traded. Markov is too integrated in the team’s power play, while successful teams don’t trade their captains mid-season.

        • myron.selby says:

          I think Markov signs for another 2 (barring injury). He’ll be in far better game shape this year after a summer of training rather than rehabbing his knee.

          He looked great for the first dozen games. Then he slowed noticeably. Part of that was due to way too much ice time. I remember one game against New Jersey (I think) somewhere around that 12 game mark where he played over 30 minutes in a game that went to overtime. That’s kind of ridiculous given the circumstances.

          And one thing to keep in mind is that he played 20- some games in the KHL before the incredibly compressed season started. So it was actually close to 40 games before he started to wear down.

          With a bit of managing of his ice time (swap PK for Markov on the penalty kill), a normal non-compressed schedule and a full off-season worth of conditioning I think he will surprise people by how much he looks like the Markov of old rather than the old Markov.

          • on2ndthought says:

            I think with Emelin down, MT will pair him with PK, which I think is a mistake. You’re right, it is time to shield his minutes, at least until the playoffs. Gorges-Subban would be a great 1st pairing, Gorges more stay at home, letting PK whell; they could eat up 25 minutes per game. Second pairing of Cube- Drewiske/Tinordi plays physical shut down role. Markov-Diaz offensive zone face-offs, shielded minutes (15-18 per game). Emelin returns, and the world’s our oyster.

            “a cannonading drive”

    • on2ndthought says:

      All I know is now Murray and Melnyk have pissed off JP Barry, only the most powerful hockey agent. Of course he will never allow those feelings to taint a negotiation! Alfie sounds like a spoiled baby: “but you PROMISED”!

      “a cannonading drive”

      • GrimJim says:

        I heard yesterday that Barry p.o.ed Murray and Melnik previously because he was Heatley’s agent during the trade fiasco

        • on2ndthought says:

          They need him more than he needs them. It’s just bad will that no one stood up and said, ‘bad communication’
          or ‘we’re just not that into you’
          “a cannonading drive”

    • Habfan17 says:

      In my humble opinion, Alfie was not treated badly, so it would be Koivu.

      The Sens always gave Alfie the time and space he wanted to decide if he was coming back. He complained he took a contract to help the team with the cap and that paid him under value last season, however, he neglected to mention that it was front loaded to compensate him and it was his decision to play again last season knowing what he would make. That is not on the Sens.

      The Sens always treated Alfie first class and paid him over $60 million over his career. Had he accepted the $4.5 million for this season, the chances are the Sens still would have traded for Ryan. His talk about wanting to have the best chance to win the cup rings very hollow. With Ryan, a healthy Cowan, Spezza, and Karlsson, the Sens have as much of a chance to win as Detroit, especially if Anderson plays the same way again.

      Koivu on the other hand never rocked the boat, always gave his all and as other posters have mentioned, would have still been an affordable and solid 2nd line centre for another year and then could have moved down to the 3rd line. he was at least as good as any of the players that Gainey brought in to “upgrade” the team, except for perhaps Cammalleri!


      • Chris says:

        “He complained he took a contract to help the team with the cap and that paid him under value last season, however, he neglected to mention that it was front loaded to compensate him and it was his decision to play again last season knowing what he would make. That is not on the Sens.”

        The Senators agreed to a contract that payed Alfredsson that front-loaded amount before tacking on the extra year. That was market value for a player of his talent and experience. They tacked on the extra year, with both sides expecting that he would not play, so that the team could get some cap relief. He did that as a favour to a team to which he had represented very well throughout his career and a fan base to which he had been very loyal.

        When he decided to play that final year, he alleged that the Senators agreed to make up the difference on his next contract, as his previous injuries had seemed to clear up and it was pretty clear in January of this year that he was looking ahead to next season already.

        Alfredsson played for $7 M, $7 M, $4.5 M, $1 M. The Senators offered him 1 year at $4.5 M for this season. So they clearly screwed him over as the “fair deal would have been one that topped him up to the equivalent of $4.5 M average over last season and this, which would be $7-8 M. Alfredsson asked for $7 M on one year, or $12 M over two years.

        There was no front-loading here. There was an extra year tacked on to circumvent the cap, and the team allegedly balked at honouring their gentleman’s agreement.

        In some respects, Alfredsson-gate is a replay of the Alexei Yashin saga where Yashin was left to carry the baggage over what most quietly agreed was a reneging on a gentleman’s agreement between he and the Senators management at that time.

  50. HabFanSince72 says:

    OK Friday rant time.

    People who print emails.

    Remember way back when corporate email accounts came with a sig that asked you to consider whether you really needed to print that email? Presumably you don’t see those anymore because everyone has a laptop, smartphone or tablet.

    But some people still print their emails.

    And I don’t care because of the environment. I’m all for saving the planet but a few more pieces of recycled paper is irrelevant.

    And it’s not even the futility of it that bugs me. Hey I argue about sports!

    But I bet Stephen Harper has all his emails printed for him by a flunkey and stacked neatly next to his morning metamucil.

    That sig should be brought back but modified: “If you really feel the need to print this email, please consider exiting thew workforce right now. The world has moved on.”

    • Luke says:

      I print e-mails.

      I don’t print them all… I mean, I only print the ones that are “Can you provide x,y,z”

      For whatever reason, I find it much easier to have the printed e-mail for reference (and marking and note taking etc) while I work away on whatever the e-mail required me to follow up on.

        • Luke says:

          Send that to my boss… if they pay for it, I’ll use it!

          (I’m pretty low tech when it comes to my personal gadgets. My home computer is not functional. My phone is basically all I’ve got).

          I’m also anti-apple. As low tech as I am, I’ve taken this stand based largely on their creation of proprietary and unnecessary plugs/cables/ports and attachments. Would it really have killed them to just use the same stuff we already had?

      • Mavid says:

        I print some e mails, to remind me that I need to do this or that, otherwise I forget and it gets lost in the black hole of e mail. Some of its for backup…yes yes you really did say to do that..but I know some old school folks who just don’t get it. The print the e mail with the attachment icon, and then print the e mail..stacks of paper everywhere makes them look busy or important I guess..

    • Da Hema says:

      I think it is reasonable to conclude that any emails between Stephen Harper and Mike Duffy — the ones sent by Duffy asking, e.g., for a limo and chauffeur, advice on how to claim housing expenses — will have been “accidentally” deleted by a “young staffer” who was “learning the job.”

    • H.Upmann says:

      You work for Mcgill right or the neuro? If i recall, mcgill didn’t have internet course registration until 2003! ahhhh miss my student days…anyways, where would we be without email.

      Speaking of Harper, true story- he was receiving those emails and reports from his flunkey, but then fired him when he found out his flunkey had HIV… yiouch

    • neumann103 says:

      I still see that . Even 15 years ago when I saw it I thought “what the hell is this” but then I work in the software industry.

      It always seemed to come from some kind of technophobe or person in a kob category like Finance or HR. Generally seeme to come from people who saw emailb somehow separate from thrir work, rather than an integrated part of what they do.

      On my work laptop it took me 6 months to bother to install printer drivers, because it took that long to actually need to print something. Last time aroind it took 9 months.

      I print a little more at home but my 8 year old laser printer is stil on its original toner cartridge.

      I guess i am saving the planet singlehanded.

      “Et le but!”

  51. Chris says:

    Dylan Armstrong capped a fairly successful IAAF World Championships by winning the bronze medal in the shot put, to go with the silver medal won by Brianne Theisen-Eaton (heptathlon) and the bronze medal won by Damian Warner (decathlon).

    It is long overdue to see Canada picking up some medals in the field events. Sadly, our long-established strength in running events has disappeared. Time to get more of our kids out and competing in track & field events!

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Maybe the NHL still feels sorry for cheating Ottawa out of that Stanley Cup.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        The one team that was cheated out of the cup was Calgary! I forget the exact circumstances, too lazy to look it up right now, but they scored a goal late in game six of the finals that the refs missed going over the line. The goal would have given them a two goal cushion, I think? They would have won the cup that night. Except TB tied up the game and won it in OT and won the cup in game 7.

        I would contemplate suicide if that were to happen to the Habs. I was losing it in the first round last season with the blown calls! I couldn’t imagine a blown or missed call costing my team the cup.

        • Luke says:

          Gelinas “didn’t” score that goal. I remember it clearly. Pretty obvious too, I though.

          Buffalo may challenge you saying that “The ONE team that was cheated… ”

          Maybe change that to “One of the teams that was cheated…”


        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Calgary were also cheated but letting Pronger off with a one game suspension for his second cheap shot of the playoffs greatly helped the Ducks.

        • B says:

          I bet Buffalo fans are still sore over Brett Hull’s controversial goal in triple OT that won the 1999 Cup

          –Go Habs Go!–

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            According to the stupid rule at the time that should not have been a goal. It doesn’t bother me too much because in reality that stupid rule should have never been implemented.

    • 24 Cups says:

      There is no real issue here. Almost every long term contract of the past eight years has done the same thing. Lots of teams (and the league) are guilty. Blaming it on Ottawa is a bit hypocritical by the media.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        The difference is that Ottawa admitted to cheating. Malice aforethought.

        • 24 Cups says:

          Admitted what? That the league and the GMs allowed these contracts to be signed knowing full well they made a mockery of the true intent of the CBA.

          I’m not even sure it’s cheating. The deal (with it’s hidden ramifications) was totally legal. Not to mention that every contract has to be approved by the NHL head office.

  52. Chris says:

    It’s Friday, so here’s my rant.

    I hate shopping for new hockey equipment these days. I recently had to purchase a new helmet (I accidentally crushed mine by a stupid packing job in my storage unit while I was living a vagrant lifestyle for a year), and it was brutal finding one that fits my oversized melon (I could easily have been the kid from So I Married an Axe Murderer). Finally had to settle on a Messier helmet, as the hockey stores here in Guelph had nothing in Bauer/Nike, CCM, Warrior or Easton that would even remotely fit. (feel free to insert the comment about always knowing I had a big head)

    Then I went to buy skates. The helpful sales guy was explaining to me that they have these new things called “carbon nanotubes” in them and wanted to give me a long spiel on what they are and how they work. I got a kick out of that. I tried to explain that I knew what they are far better than he did and could explain to him how they are made, what their electrical and mechanical properties are and so on, but he was on a good roll so I had to get the whole spiel.

    When I tried on the skates, they have really dropped the level of the ankle support from what my old Eastons had. He explained that it saved me about 5-10 grams of weight in each skate, which was massive and would lead to improved performance. I tried explaining that 10-20 grams of total weight was not really a rate limiting step for a guy that weighs over 240 pounds (108,960 grams, for those keeping track at home), but he disagreed.

    Dear skate manufacturers: I promise to eat one less chocolate bar per week if you’ll give me back some of the ankle support in your most recent skate models.

    Dear helmet manufacturers: There are a lot of us that would love to play hockey that don’t bear a striking resemblance to Beetlejuice.

    • habs11s says:

      I got a big melon too and Reebok is the only helmet that fits it…

      I’m more depressed by the ‘curve names’ that are used today.. I’d rather have a ‘Sakic’ then a ‘Hall’…


      “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

      • Chris says:

        Lidstrom was always my favourite curve (great for my shooting style for getting slapshots in from the point), but Sakic’s was great too.

        It is sad when the curves you recognize are now belonging to guys that are 5-10 years retired. When you said “Hall”, I actually thought “Glenn” instead of “Taylor”. Oops.

    • Cal says:

      My rant is about those piece of polycarbon pieces of crap they’re selling as $200 + hockey sticks these days. I still buy Sherwood PM6300s. Every time I watch a millionaire’s “stick” snap for no good reason, I smile and point.

      • Chris says:

        Strangely, I’ve always had very good luck with my old kevlar-carbon fibre-fibreglass shafts and composite blades. I tried a one-piece composite stick and I just didn’t like it.

        I’ve still never had a stick snap on me, although I’ve broken a couple of blades in games.

    • Gerry H says:

      Don’t get me started on skates. Five years ago, I finally retired my trusty, battered Tacks. After much shopping, I settled on a pair of BauerXXX-whatevers. Big mistake. I’ve always favoured skates with a slight forward cant, as that favours my low skating style. The Bauers seemed almost canted backwards by comparison. I literally went trhough an entire blade in one season with various attempts to fix the problem through rockering jobs. I gave up after that season and started all over again (so long, 600 clams). This time I relied on a buddy I play with who manages a sports shop to try out various alternatives. The newer gen CCMs no longer cant forward (and still don’t fit my feet very well, something I suffered through on the old 982s). Finally, I settled on Grafs with an aftermarket Tuuk blade, expertly rockered. On his say-so, I went for the 705s instead of the equivalent Ultra G5s, when he warned me that the materials used to shave that extra 50-60 grams off the weight would result in the boots coming apart within a couple of seasons.

      Does it really have to be that complicated?

      • Cal says:

        For you to part with another $600? Every marketer will tell you, “Yes!” while they cash their exorbitant pay for producing and doing nothing.

        I hate what Easton and the other companies have done to hockey gear. Especially their prices. Greedy bleep bleeps!

      • Chris says:

        A friend of mine works part-time for a guy who rockers skates for NHL players and linesmen. Every time I get new skates or blades, the first thing I do is get them re-done because I also find the newer skates all seem to be canted too far to the back. I feel like I’m out of control until I get them worked over.

        I understand that 50-60 grams can make a difference in terms of your stride, but I’m not an NHL player nor will I ever be. I don’t buy the high end soccer shoes that the pros wear because the things are so flimsy that they have no support and need to be replaced 2-3 times per season.

        Similarly, I don’t need pro skates, as I don’t have the budget to replace my skates every 6 months to a year.

  53. Luke says:

    This Friday is killing me.

    I swear if I am not out of here by 3, and at the pub before 4, y’all will be having interviews with law enforcment. Saying things like:

    “I’m actually not that surprised…”
    “To be honest, we all saw it coming…”

    • Kooch7800 says:

      August is supposed to be lighter for me at work….the last couple days my blood pressure has been spiking and I am heading towards your descriptions above as well.

      I need alcohol stat

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  54. Chris says:

    I love watching hockey clips from the 1980’s, but two things always stand out:

    1) Can we please go back to white boards? The game just looks cleaner when the boards aren’t pasted with ads.

    2) Can we please go back to a time when the goaltenders were just flat out terrible and forwards couldn’t skate backwards? It would do wonders for league scoring. Stamkos would score 100 goals easily with the calibre of the hockey back then, while Crosby would just be a beast.

  55. frontenac1 says:

    @burly. Can’t make it to the game on Sat due to a prior commitment, but there’s a good chance I will be at Hurleys on Friday night for a little ruckus. That is provided I make it back alive from Scotland in Sept. Saludos amigo!

  56. Maritime Ron says:

    @ canadien errant

    Tks for the response, and many of your points are well taken.

    First off, let’s clarify your “…Further, fresh off winning a Stanley Cup, they (Hawks) have added poster boy for facilitated aggression Mike Kostka.”

    Kostka is NOTHING about aggression.
    He is all of 6’1″ 210 and has recorded 1 fight per year for his last 4 pro years. (last year his only fight was against the aggression of…Brendan Gallagher)
    As for hits recorded by Leafs Dmen, he ranked 6th with 104 less hits than Leafs leader Mark Fraser.
    Kostka’s 49 hits ranked him 101st for all NHL Dmen last year.

    I also noticed that when you listed the Ottawa Dmen line up and then stated, “So the Senators don’t favour mobility”…. somehow you missed listing their Top 2 Dmen for minutes played last playoffs – the all mobile, 175 pound behemoth Eric Karlsson that you quickly jumped over, and the other extremely mobile Dman Sergei Gonchar tipping the scales at 206.
    By the way, Gryba only played 4 playoff games.

    You go on to mention, ” The Bruins mugged and cheated their way to a befouled Stanley Cup” when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

    According to some Bruins guys I chatted with, their win was partially based on the stars and planets lining up, and the LUCK in avoiding key injury and health issues to their key players.

    Next, and regardless whether you loathe Tim Thomas which is irrelevant, he was outstanding and won the Conn Smythe with a playoff performance of a .940 SP in 25 tough/hard, mentally draining playoff games along with a GAA of 1.98.
    In those 25 games, Thomas won 4 OT games (lost only 1) that included 3 of the last 4 games against the Habs to win the Quarter finals.
    I’m waiting for our guy to do that…

    Finally, disregarding the performances of wonderful hockey players such as Krejci and Bergeron that dominated the scoring and the faceoff circle (Bergeron was 60.2% in those playoffs) shows a disregard for their talent.

    Circling back to our Habs, of course they don’t have the right mix at this specific moment, yet one must include both the forwards and the Dmen when discussing ‘playoff hockey’ strength and toughness when whistles are put in pocket.

    We are not going anywhere when our 1st Unit PK includes Diaz and Gorges as it was during the Ottawa series (Why that was, is still a mystery from here)

    I have great confidence in Bergevin, Carriere, and Dudley.
    Rest assured you will see a D that resembles a Chicago mix – that has both mobility and strength/toughness to win puck battles.
    You will also see a stronger set of forwards combined with the skill players, where the strong guys will allow the skilled guys to play and perform.

    This all takes time to develop and ‘trade for’ once we have the depth of assets to do those things vs. Gainey/Gauthier short term panic.

    I also look forward to the ‘weigh-ins’ at training camp.
    I believe we will see some surprises.
    In the summer pictures, PK looks huge and a guess is that he is at 225.
    As for Tinordi, the Habs site shows him at 205 – then the Hamilton site showed him at 218 last year where announcers stated, ” He is growing by the day.”
    Don’t be surprised if he shows up at 225.
    His dad was all about character, and this guy will show what he’s all about this year…His games last year were just about getting to know what it’s all about.

    Need for a big shut-down Dman?
    We already have him.

    • FishOutOfWater says:

      wait wait wait. somebody wanted kostka on the team? like really? he might develop into a bottom 6 dman and thats about it. its not like hes phaneufs successor.

      and Ron your right in saying that we have a solid d crop in front of us. besides the subbans, tinordis, beaulieus, emilins, and diazs, youve got pateryns, deitzs, nygrens and throwers to look forward to.

      solid group. that will be solidified further by drafting and trades/

    • on2ndthought says:

      “Tim Thomas which … tough/hard, mentally draining playoff games” :
      there is nothing to drain mentally from TT (no disrespecting that performance, tho) 🙂

      But, I have to disagree on the whole Bruins thing. They and Philly, especially, are so blatantly committing fouls (elbows, slashes, cross-checks..etc..) that every shift you could cal 3 or 4 minors. I think it just wears the refs down. Then, when Plek or Kovy gets upset and gives one back, it’s off to the sin bin. Especially in the playoffs, but all season too.
      Things I know:
      1. my glasses are bleu, blanc, rouge
      2. all teams do it
      3. all teams have players that do it more
      4. no teams get away with it more than the ‘bully’ teams because they ‘instigate’ they don’t ‘retaliate’
      5. a slash is a slash etc….
      6. the more the game is called the way it is supposed to be, the greater the success we will have
      “a cannonading drive”

    • Cal says:

      “You go on to mention, ” The Bruins mugged and cheated their way to a befouled Stanley Cup” when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.”

      Have to vehemently disagree there, Ron.
      Papa Campbell helped get it done.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Regarding Mike Kostka, I do note that he’s brave because he’s surrounded by tough guys, that’s why I referred to him as suffering/benefiting from facilitated aggression. I did notice last season that he was really generous with the crosschecks and the slashes, it will remain to be seen if he feels quite as brave as a ‘Hawk, or tones it down.

      As far as my list of Senators d-men, I didn’t try to provide an exhaustive list, just the horses they have that we don’t. I wasn’t trying to mislead by omission, just to show the kind of guy they’ve been drafting, or trading for in Marc Methot’s case, which indicates which direction they’re going to, which is size at the cost of mobility.

      I stand by my Bruins comment. They cheated and won the Cup. The Flyers of the Seventies did so as well. The fact that they had Bernard Parent and Bobby Clarke and Rick MacLeish and Reggie Leach doesn’t change that.

      I also trust Marc Bergevin to find the right mix on our blue line, but think that comparisons of our current roster to last season’s Blackhawk roster is misguided, for the reasons I listed.

  57. Sportfan says:

    The Sens situation is ridiculous, everyone is blaming everyone now!

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    • B says:

      After putting up less points than Desharnais (despite having more PP and ES TOI), Alfredsson asks for $7M for next season. The Sens reply that they can’t make that work and counter offer $4.5M as their starting point in a negotiation. Alfredsson gets insulted that they refused his offer, does not want to negotiate, cuts off communications with the Sens and then bails to Detroit for $5.5M.

      It will be interesting to see how Alfredsson does this coming season and how Detroit finishes relative to Ottawa.

      –Go Habs Go!–

    • Timo says:

      I always hated Alfredson. Never really liked the Sens as a whole… They have something about them that just makes it so hard to like (even locals have hard time)

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  59. Propwash says:

    It kinda rubs me the wrong way that Nathan and his father got off so easily from those charges. If it was an average Joe, chances are the book would be thrown at them.
    I want Nathan to succeed as a Hab, but when it comes to stuff like that, it tarnishes the CH a little bit.


  60. This Guy says:


    I expect more goals to be scored this year since the NHL and the NHLPA agreed on goalie pad size reduction last week for this upcoming season.

    • Chris says:

      We’ll see. There as no change in the width of goalie pads, just in the knee to thigh length which helped some goalies block more of the 5-hole when they are in the butterfly. So you’ll see a few more 5-hole goals, but I don’t think it will offset the effect of interference.

      I found much of the playoffs to be almost unwatchable due to the rampant hooking and grabbing. We’re basically back to pre-lockout rules enforcement.

  61. frontenac1 says:

    @twi. Yes been married to her for 30yrs this year. A wonderful woman. She must be to put up with me.Saludos!

  62. rhino514 says:

    Regarding Gorges, i think on every team there is one player whose value is really difficult to quantify. I´m talking apart from the goalie, whom i think is generally much more difficult to assess than skaters.
    There is no doubt that Gorges is that guy for the Canadiens. I don´t think anyone outside guys in the dressing room really knows if he´s a good or just so-so dman.
    Because of the fact our defensive game fell apart over the last three weeks of the season, people became crtitical of Gorges. We need Subban, Emelin, and Tinordi because of their size, Markov because of his offensive qualities. So if we have to upgrade the D it would have to be either Gorges or Diaz.
    This cause belies the theory that it could just have been a general team defensive breakdown (precipitaed partly by Emelin´s injury)(remember the theory that, suddenly, Therrien didn´t have a sound defensive system in place á la Jacques Martin, and MT´s system was overly aggressive?)
    I would love to know how valuable a guy like Gorges is, but i confess that i don´t have a clue. How much are his leadership/dressing room qualities worth?
    He´s perenially among the league´s shot blockers, but is that really a quality stat?
    He has had a couple of very high plus minus seasons, but one of them was playing alongside Subban most of the time.
    Then there´s the curious case of the 2010 post season. I thought the habs would be dead in the water missing Markov and gorges, supposedly the team´s best defensive defenceman, versus the Bruins.
    Yet the team played incredibly sound defensively, and came within a bounce of pulling out the upset. George´s presence seemed to not be missed at all.
    So i put it to all of you: how good is Josh Gorges?
    Would he really be a top four guy on the majority of teams, as one poster confidently asserts below?

    • on2ndthought says:

      Better than average NHL defenseman. Let’s pick on his weaknesses. He can get out-muscled (but NOT as often as detractors may say). Weak decision making from the point because he lacks a good shot. His weak shots and corner dumps do not help our offense. On the other hand his skills at getting control of the puck and getting it out via pass or skating, gets a lot of our counter punching offense started (without him getting high point totals). I wonder if one of the stat guys could break this down?
      defensive awareness waa (way above average)
      shotblocking: waa
      competitiveness: aa to waa
      leadership, intangibles etc: apparently waa

      “a cannonading drive”

    • Cal says:

      3rd pairing and second PK wave. Don’t put him against big forwards that can play along the wall.
      Gorges spouts all the right clichés after a game, but it’s his on-ice performance that matters.

      • B says:

        I don’t recall anyone complaining after 11/12 when Montreal had the 2nd best PK in the NHL and Gorges had the 2nd most PK TOI in the NHL.

        –Go Habs Go!–

        • on2ndthought says:

          exactly. everyone gets beat along the wall sometimes (even Chara, Gill, Weber, Buflyen(?). Gorges is tough to beat, and is top 4 unless you put a shutdown role on your bottom pairing, but that doesn’t work, time wise. Ideally we are SubbanGorges, Markov Emelin and Diaz Bouillon, until the kids are ready. Drewiske (DDD?) in for Emelin, so he plays with the cube, Markov with Subban, and Gorges with Diaz

          “a cannonading drive”

  63. Ian Cobb says:

    Here is a retirement letter from one of the finest hockey players that ever laced up a pair of skates. Not a big man at all, but I have never seen a player with such balance on skates. He was always upright after a hit from men twice his size were left on their butts. He was a pure sniper and won league scoring titles in junior and pro.!

    Randy Rowe
    I guess most have heard I’ve ended my career of playing hockey. I would just like to say thank you so much to everyone. My family, my friends and my Kim for all the support over the years and all the memories that go along with them. As I look on facebook and see 1000 friends makes me reflect back. I’ve met many great people in the many cities I’ve lived and travelled too so many provided me with a sense of home and I’ve developed some great friendships. Then all the fans on here that made going to the games everyday exciting, fun and providing the motivation to play.Then the old teammates, well over my 12 years there are a few haha, all great guys and thank you for making hockey fun and stories that I will never forget. Then there are my boys you know who you are the guys you never met before and at the end of the day you will give them your last dollar. your shirt off your back. your last drink .. well maybe not that but ill give you a sip. You guys will always be brothers to me. When I started to play this GAME of Hockey it started as I said a game. It became my job, my life, me. This Game got me all over North America ,places I would have never seen if it was not for it. And thank you Hockey. Remember to anyone watching a game and mad at a player for not doing the right thing. You don’t know what they are going through. I can’t remember the last game I played and felt 100% out there. You get your bum kicked every night, play with broken bones, separated body parts and trust me the guys want to play and will play till the doctors make them sit out, so give them a little break here and there

    • on2ndthought says:

      sounds like a classy guy. what do you think his average salary was for all those years in the ECHL (which is a step below the AHL, if I’m not mistaken?)

      “a cannonading drive”

      • Ian Cobb says:

        I really don’t know Gondon, but I’m sure he made more than I did.

      • Chris says:

        Not very much. The AHL salaries are basically $70k and down.

        The AHL has a minimum salary of $41,000 ($43,000 for Canadian teams to account for cost of living). Players called up from lower leagues (ECHL) make less than this minimum salary ($32,500, or $33,750 for Canadian players).

        From this, I think you could probably extrapolate that higher-end ECHL salaries are in the $25,000 – $35,000 ballpark.

        Check out the article here from Sean Gordon regarding Colby Armstrong’s time in the ECHL. Those guys play for the love of the game, not for the money.

  64. frontenac1 says:

    @uce. Did you catch the Chargers game last night? What the hell is going on with all their injuries? It’s only preseason too!

    • on2ndthought says:

      It was Da Bears game!

      “a cannonading drive”

      • ZepFan2 says:

        Yup, it’s Trestman’s Bears now.

        I think I’ll be following the CHicago Bears this year.

        Ka is a wheel.

        “On we sweep, with threshing oar.
        Our only goal will be the Stanley Cup!” – Danno

        For Your Life

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I always liked the Bears, love Chicago, have an ex that lives there and I’ve visited the city often. Great place. The Marc Trestman hire will make me pay closer attention too.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I couldn’t watch it, I had an event to attend at, but my buddy kept me up to date with smartphone live scoring. Once the starters were out, I didn’t care as much.

      1) Injuries are a part of the game, but we got hit worst at WR and LB, two areas we were already thin. If we get one or two on OL, it will be catastrophic.

      2) My sense is that the Chargers will be in the running for the #1 overall pick next spring, they’re that bad. No talent, and no depth. New coach, new system. Aging stars in Philip Rivers and Antonio Gates. Only Eric Weddle is in his prime.

      3) The DL is a crisis in the making. Two young stars in the making, a so-so NT who’s taking his time developing, and then a cavalcade of no-names and no hopers. One injury there and it will be catastrophic.

      4) Kevin Acee was saying that the Chargers lack of talent is so acute, that we may not be able to tell if Mike McCoy is a good coach or not, since he won’t have the basic tools to work with.

      5) They struggled again on special teams, apparently they were visibly slow and getting pushed around. That’s a worry, and another confirmation that the new kids don’t have talent. Those units should be filled with kids hungry for a job and starting position, but they’re not demonstrating that.

      6) Did I say that I’m not getting the Sunday Ticket this season? For the first time in years? Not paying $150 to see them getting blown out every week. I’ll watch them on jumpy grainy pirated internet feed.

  65. Dr.Rex says:

    Random Friday Questions:
    a) Will Lars Eller crack 60 pts this season if he is given PP time and top 6 minutes.
    b) Who will play more game: Parros or White?
    c) Who will play more games: Bouillon or Tinordi?
    d) Who scores more goals this year: Galchenyuk or Gallagher?
    e) What’s more likely for Price this year: Gold medal or Vezina?
    f) Can Rene Bourque score 27 again if he plays 70+ games?

    • Luke says:

      a) Yes.
      b) Parros.
      c) Boullion.
      d) Galchenyuk.
      e) Gold Medal.
      f) Yes. (But this is a ‘Can’ vs a ‘Will’… I expect he’ll be in the the 22-27 range given 70+ games)

    • Chris says:

      (a) That is a big number for a guy who is not going to supplant both Plekanec and Desharnais as the #1 PP centreman. Have to go with no.

      (b) White.

      (c) Tinordi, although I think both will play a full season.

      (d) Galchenyuk. He’s going to get better, whereas I think Gallagher is a strong candidate for the Sophomore Slump.

      (e) Gold medal. I’ll temper that by saying I’m not sure he’ll be the starter or even on the team for Canada. But he has almost no chance at the Vezina with Lundqvist, Quick and Rask likely to get a lot of votes and somebody will be this year’s Bobrovsky for a defence-first team. Montreal isn’t defensive enough.

      (f) He can, but he probably will not. Scoring is down across the league, and all signs point to that the trend will continue unless Walkom does another interference blitz. I’m expecting goals to be hard to come by this season.

    • on2ndthought says:

      a) that’s a big IF, but yes
      b) White, or trade him. the kid has gritty 3rd line 4th line written all over him. play him or trade him; but if you trade him you’ll regret it, say 60 to 50
      c) Bouillon: a very likely pairing until Emelin is back, but don’t be surprised if it’s Drewiske out of camp
      d)Gally! (ger for the last year, probably, but we’ll see how much of a sniper Chick becomes)
      e) Gold, because there are 3 of those, only one Vezina)
      f) yes, but big IFs. if Gio gets healthy soon, if that line clicks all year, if Danny B plays with them intil Gio is back

      “a cannonading drive”

    • CharlieHodgeFan says:

      1) I expect so, but it is an ‘if’.
      2) Parros more games, White, more ice time. Neither central to the team’s success.
      3) Tinordi.
      4) Good question – Gallagher, but I expect both will have some hard sophomore slump times. Part of the process.
      5) With his salary, he could oprobably buy a used gold medal somewhere. So gold medal.
      6) I think he can.

    • Cal says:

      a. Maybe. b. White c. Boullion d. Chucky e. Neither- but a nice vacay during the Olympics f. 25 tops.

  66. JTT says:

    still say the Habs don’t have enough tough skilled players for the playoffs. Regular season they may make the playoffs and that’s only a maybe. They’re no better than last year and they have a full season to play. you be the judge.

    There’s probably about 6-8 teams that have skilled tough guy’s. That’s the teams who will make the playoffs and be around the longest. Boston took Pittsburg out with toughness and ran out of gas against Chicago …

    • Timo says:

      If there is a way you can let Mr. Bergevin know it’d be great… thanks.

      • JTT says:

        Timo – I think it’s a money thing – Bad management from years gone by- MB can’t afford to make the same mistakes – Gotta go with what we have till some contracts are gone … Fans pay the price.

        • B says:

          Apparently, Bergevin just has to get his head out of his behind, realize the obvious, make a few phone calls and then voila, a big, tough and skilled cup favourite. 🙂

          –Go Habs Go!–

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Chicago is a better team than Boston…Heck the leafs almost took out boston. The Bruins are beatable if you play your game and are not intimidated by them. The Hawks woke up and Toews went right after Chara and they used their speed and skill and won.

      When you try and match them physically you lose cause they are better at it. When the habs beat them they are playing their game and staying out of the box

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  67. Timo says:

    A SHOCKER!!!! Athlete says that her comments were “misunderstood” (Yelena Isinbaeva)

    Her comments aside I thinks she is a hottie.

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