Nathan Beaulieu and his father Jacques plead guilty to assault

New Nathan

Canadiens’ first-round draft pick Nathan Beaulieu and his father Jacques have pleaded guilty to assault, the Canadian Press reported on Wednesday. Both were granted conditional discharges.

The charges stemmed from an altercation at a house party in April that left two people with minor injuries.

Lawyer Patrick Ducharme said the ruling will allow Beaulieu and his father to continue their hockey careers, the CP story said.

“That means that there is no conviction registered,” Ducharme said. “The court accepts their taking responsibility for it, but instead of convicting the accused they gave each of them a discharge.”

The Canadiens selected Beaulieu 17th overall in the 2011 NHL entry draft. The 6-foot-1, 20-year-old defenceman played last season for the Hamilton Bulldogs and suited up for six games with the Canadiens, making his NHL debut on March 30 at the Bell Centre against the New York Rangers.

His father Jacques was dismissed in May as the general manager and head coach of the Sarnia Sting. When the team announced the news on May 30, Rob Ciccarelli, co-owner of the Ontario Hockey League team, said in a statement that “the reasons for his dismissal are not related to the on-ice performance of our hockey club.”

Beaulieu was a finalist for the OHL’s Coach of the Year award. The Sting posted a 35-28-1-4 record last season with him at the helm.



  1. frontenac1 says:

    Breezer was a great Dman, but amigos,near the end he sucked. Man,I remember throwing shot glasses around the Man Cave when he was out on the ice.

  2. Un Canadien errant says:

    Reading Maritime Ron’s post about playing defence in the NHL today, and Mr. Samuelsson’s blog post about mobility is primordial and size in and of itself is not a guarantee of success, I couldn’t agree, and wondered where the dissonance was.

    I didn’t have a problem with the analysis of the Chicago defence, I concur that they’re mobile and not all lumbering behemoths. My caution with respect to Chicago is always that they do have a few big, tough players to mix in and out of their lineup when necessary. Brent Seabrook at 6’3″ and 220 lbs is a mainstay and gets first-pairing minutes, and they can always mix in pugnacious Sheldon Brookbank when desired. Add in the sizeable forwards like Brian Bickell and Brandon Bollig, and the Hawks could respond when the elbows started flying. Further, fresh off winning a Stanley Cup, they have added poster boy for facilitated aggression Mike Kostka, the former defender-of-the-future/flavour-of-the-week for the Leafs (see Colaiacovo, Carlo; Schenn, Luke; Yushkevich, Dmitri) and crosschecker-in-training, as well as Theo Peckham, a guy who’ll get a few strategically-managed but precious minutes in Colin Campbell’s NHL.

    Compared to the Canadiens’ situation, we can see how we don’t match up. Our one big defenceman is currently injured, and will probably have a difficult season while returning from ACL reconstruction. Even when healthy, Alexei Emelin cannot play an enforcer role due to his medical history of facial fractures, he can’t be the Chris Pronger or Craig Ludwig on the blue line, the guy who can mix it up when necessary. We pin a lot of hopes on Jarred Tinordi, but I’m fearful that he’ll be asked to do too much too soon in that department. Especially coming out of training camp, it won’t be optimal for him to be our lone physical d-man at 21 years old. My cautious self would rather he be left in the AHL for a while yet, and bring in a sacrificial plug like Ryan O’Byrne instead.

    In reference to Ulf Samuelsson’s blog, I was having some serious disagreements with the post, wondering how he can be so far out of touch, until I came back to it later, and managed to comprehend that, gee-whiz, as Maritime Ron points out, it’s from way back in 2008. Back when the New Hope hadn’t been crushed yet. Before Bob Gainey took his Virage Vitesse and signed up Mike Cammalleri and Brian Gionta, and traded for (cough, strangle, gasp…). There was an optimism then that the game was going to be about skating and skill and scoring.

    Then reality set in. The Bruins mugged and cheated their way to a befouled Stanley Cup. Teams like the Blues and the Kings set the new prototype for play in the NHL with squadrons of big forwards who pound opponents into submission.

    Erik Gryba happened. The Senators do have Norris-trophy winner Erik Karlsson, who is supremely talented and relatively slight of build, but then they have these guys.

    Cody Ceci 6-2 205 R
    Jared Cowen 6-5 220 L
    Eric Gryba 6-4 215 R
    Marc Methot 6-3 224 L
    Chris Phillips 6-3 216 L
    Patrick Wiercioch 6-4 192 L

    So the Senators don’t favour mobility. I don’t see “an increasing number of smaller defensemen (finding) success playing in the NHL” as being proven by the Ottawa roster. They’ve gone the other way, and with the complicit negligence of NHL refereeing, put the Canadiens in a box in the playoffs last season. Ulf Samuelsson’s crystal ball is faulty. Or, more accurately, he was conned by Gary Bettman’s office. And so was Bob Gainey.

    … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake..–Bill Simmons

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      The Senators don’t favour mobility and they give up more shots per game than almost every other playoff team.

      They had an insane run of hot goalkeeping last year.

      We should not pattern ourselves on the Sens… please.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I’m not saying we should, but it was a successful gambit for them last season, while we slinked home battered and bruised. I’m just skeptical that mobility will be the defining characteristic of NHL defences when a player with the meager portfolio of Erik Gryba is taking a regular turn on a 6-man defensive rotation, and that team is not penalized for it. If a guy who never scores more than a couple of goals a season is rewarded for his crosschecks, and is permitted to succeed due to his great size and lax refereeing, rather than being out-competed since he can’t skate and keep up to the play, then the NHL is headed for oblivion, and we won’t be competitive or Cup-worthy with our squad of skating puck-moving defencemen.

    • commandant says:

      How many playoff minutes did Sheldon Brookbank play?

      Answer: 1 game and 6:50…. not exactly the best example of being desired by the Hawks.

      As for signing Theo Peckham, here is a guy who couldn’t crack the top 6 on one of the worst defences in hockey. There is a reason the Blackhawks gave him a 2 way contract, because he’s destined to be cheap AHL depth for them and nothing more.

      The Hawks may have these players but they aren’t exactly using them.

      Go Habs Go!
      Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Quite right, and that’s why I wrote “that they do have a few big, tough players to mix in and out of their lineup when necessary”. They’re the #6 or 7 defencemen who can be wielded when advantageous. And we don’t have those guys. So to compare ourselves to the Blackhawks because they’re mobile and so are we only goes so far. We can skate with them, but will struggle when facing a team playing tough physical hockey and the refs put the whistles away.

  3. HabFanSince72 says:

    Pretend for a minute you were a Penguins’ supporter.

    Would you be happy with Shero and Bylsma? This is a team that obtained not one but two generational talents via tanking. They really should be better. And the deals they made at the deadline were nothing short of a disaster.

    Put another way, would we be happy with these deals (playoff record in parentheses) if we had been swept by the Bruins?

    1. Natan Beaulieu for Brendan Morrow (4 points; 13 min/game; 4th liner).

    2. Two 2nd round picks for Doug Murray (15 min/game – lowest on the team).

    3. 1st round pick for Iginla (12 pts in 15 games).

    • twilighthours says:

      sometimes you gotta go for it. Can’t blame the penguins for rolling the dice

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I think they were really going for it in fear that Malkin wasn’t going to stay with the club and I don’t blame them. They did give up an awful lot though to really choke against Boston. I think they had to many leader types on the team and when they went against boston everyone was doing their own thing and they didn’t change their game. Bylsma didn’t do a very good coaching job either though. He was out coached big time in the playoffs

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  4. twilighthours says:

    Luke buddy, you get out for your run yet? I just finished a group run on the trails around st Margarets bay. 24 km in 2:45. Nice, easy pace

    • Luke says:

      Nice. That’s terrific… been a while since i’ve run a 20+km.

      No, my run will be this evening… afterwork… and just a short ‘recovery’ run. Keep the legs loose. Keep the streak alive… everyday since May 28th. So, 3 months now…

      I’ve got a 16km either tomorrow or Sunday (depending on motivation) so I run to a friend’s (6km away) who is trying to get back into running and we do an easy 4-5k then I run home.

      Then we meet back up for beers.

      • twilighthours says:

        that’s a great way to mix it up and still get some good distance in.

        • Luke says:

          Yah. Absolutely. plus running with groups/friends makes it so much easier to get motivated to start.

          I couldn’t have done it without my running club. This is the first year in the 8 or so that I’ve run where I can actually get out and do these distances solo. I’ve always needed the group to get me to run 10+ in past.

  5. Habsfan in New Glasgow says:

    New Thread: Of all the remaining free agents, who should we be going after? My vote: Colin White–has size, experience, and defensive abilities.


  6. Ian Cobb says:

    This years roster will be an improvement over last years. Not a good enough roster to play in the semifinals yet.
    We have enough boys that can put the puck in the net, and even last year we scored enough goals to win a lot more games than we did.
    Our largest weakness is our back end for sure defensively. Our D was giving up to the opposition prime shooting areas and were not tough enough to play against. Our team penalty killing was one of the worst in the league. Total goals against last year was dismal.
    The larger kids on the back end, both here and developing in Hamilton are coming along just fine. I am not sure if they are top 4 NHL ready yet. But, one at a time they will start to fill the holes, it takes a long time to get a D kid ready to step in.

    We have very good break outs and good speed once we get control of the puck, we do have a tough time getting control in our end. This team will be much better over time as the development program matures.

  7. Luke says:

    I wonder why they signed Landskog for 7 years instead of 8?

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Interesting question.
      Just wondering if there is some CBA ‘fine print’ that says the total years of the contract(s) cannot surpass 8.
      Gabe still is playing under the last year of his ELC for the 2013-14 season.
      Add the complete years of the two contracts and that equals 8.

  8. Kooch7800 says:

    Stay Classy A-Rod

    great way to get the respect of your peers

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • habstrinifan says:

      A-Rod gets no respect from me. But from the narrow perspective of him fighting to make sure he gets as much of the $98mill(?) left on his contract as he possibly can.. I support his ‘legal maneuvers’. Baseball profited from the Steroid Era (McGuire/Sosa); the media profited; even non-using players profited.

      Baseball and the Yankees could have made an agreement with A-Rod silently to have him outta the game and get his money. I think they are ‘piling on’. I would be fighting to get every cent that I could of that $98mill.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I am in pretty much complete agreement with you bud! I have zero to less than zero use or respect for A-Rod….BUT! The league and the Yankees loved him when producing, as Jim puts it further below, now that his past his prime date has come and gone, they are doing all they can to rid that contract.

        I actually hope he beats MLB in his suit, but also hope he doesn’t play another season in the big leagues. Besides, he will pour all that contract money back into the economy in no time. There was a great article on deadspin a few years back about his arrogant SOB agent Scott Boras who is a complete scheister. Apparantly A-Rod has dumped a whack of money into some new company/agency which Boras was starting and it has done nothing but lose money.

        I can see A-Rod becoming another bankrupt former player like many other athletes we have seen blow their money.

        • habstrinifan says:

          Thanks for the additional info. Probably the underlying reason why he’s scratching and clawing for every cent and why the league feels as if they have him against a wall.

        • Maritime Ron says:

          Maybe, maybe not Burli

          May 24, 2013
          Alex Rodriguez is a bit richer today.

          The New York Yankees third baseman closed on the sale of his Miami Beach home on Friday morning, has learned.
          The confirmed sale price of $30 million is one of the highest purchase prices for a home in Miami.

          Alex Rodriguez paid about $15 million for land and house construction and sold the home for $30 million Friday.

          Rodriguez, who has earned approximately $360 million to date in salary alone, more than any U.S. major sports athlete in history, will make a $15 million profit.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I agree with you Trin. baseball wasn’t complaining when they were lining their pockets and now are looking for an easy out of paying A-Rod
        You don’t sell out your fellow players though. That just shows what type of guy he really is

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Maritime Ron says:

      That’s what cornered rats do!

      With A-Roid, it’s not all about the money

      ” By the time he reached the Texas Rangers, according to Roberts, a clubhouse attendant was required to put a dab of toothpaste on his toothbrush after every game.”

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Hi Kooch. The Yankee way. If Aroid was still hitting 50 home runs and 120+ RBI, we wouldn’t be hearing peep from the Yankees. True he’s a cheat and it now appears he’s cheated his entire career but the Yankees and MLB watched silently for years. When you sleep with dogs……

      • Maritime Ron says:


        It’s all about business and yes, the Yankees are giving the business to Aroid

        After 61 home games, the attendance a yankee stadium is down 164,000 vs. last year.
        ” the Yankees have the second-highest average ticket price in baseball, at $51.55.”
        Add in concessions and that may be about $ 15M-16M.

        ” Even more sobering for the team: the television ratings for their games have plummeted. Through June 25, the ratings on their YES Network were down 40 percent to 2.52 from 4.17 at this point last season, and from 4.08, 4.50 and 4.72 in the three previous seasons, with each rating point this year representing 73,843 households.”

      • Kooch7800 says:

        Aroid…that is awesome Jim.

        I agree with your feelings on the Yanks

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  9. doc359 says:

    Can we get some nice Friday rants about how the league is handling its officiating?

    Hiring a new head of officiating only to have him say he wants to keep the status quo is not how you make a sport better. Say what you want about other sports, but in the NFL, I can watch and I can know when a ref will call a penalty on a play. In the NHL, even if the plays right in front of a refs face, the ref looks like he goes to check his calednder before he makes a call either way. Stupid Stupid Stupid. Thats not even mentioning the fact that when people dive, they are almost NEVER called for it and when they do get called, the other guy gets a call as well, so it ends up with a bunch of players flopping around trying to get the refs attention so something is actually called in a game.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      You’d think lawyers like Bettman and Daly would have great attachment to playing according to a set of rules even when inconvenient. (*)

      (*) yes that is sarcasm.

  10. rhino514 says:

    Nyrgen is intriguing. He comes across to me as another Raphael Diaz, maybe a better shot
    It´s quite clear that unless the team doesn´t re-sign Markov (and i am betting they will) there has to be a trade of a Dman before beginning of next year, maybe even by the deadline this year.
    That´s only if Beaulieu progresses normally.
    What in gadzook´s name do you do if both Beaulieu and Nygren (and maybe even Pateryn) do really well?
    It´s a pity we will not be able to keep all of our young Dmen.
    Most likely, either Diaz or Nygren, whoever is deemed the weaker, will have to go, and possibly both will have to go.
    As much as I like Gorges, his untradeable contract creates a logjam for the other young Dmen which cannot be unclogged….actually, I suspect they would never trade Gorges anyway, he seems to be highly valued by management and teamates.
    I´m curious to see how Bergeron manages all of these assets.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      What we clearly lack are right handed Dmen with only Subban and Diaz.
      Emelin was playing the off side (some claim the big reason why he was hurt on that Lucic check)

      Nygren and Patryn are both Right and could get a longer look…or would be coveted in a trade if their progression is seen as very good.
      Quite the chessboard for this year coming.

    • doc359 says:

      Still wondering how Gorges contract is untradable. Its not a great contract, but its not bad for a proven Top-4 D-man who with Subban was able to shut down top lines these past two years.

  11. habstrinifan says:


  12. DeadEnd says:

    Hi everyone,
    I’m new to the site (new to commenting, anyway) and I had a question I thought I would put to the group. Does anyone think that the lack of size issue will be at least partially diminished with Stephen Walkom back in charge of officiating? It seems to me that, under Gregson, the officiating was a little less than consistent.


    • Habfan10912 says:

      Welcome aboard dead end and good morning to you. Good question but as I’m afraid as long as Bettman, Daddy and Daly are at the helm we’ll see more if the same. I hope its different though. CHeers.

    • Cal says:

      Nope. Daddy Campbell is still in charge so it’s the same old bs.
      Welcome to the loony bin!

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Campbell hasn’t been in charge of NHL discipline since June 2011 when Shanahan replaced him…and according to the NHL rules, Bettman always has final say.

        Rule 28 – Supplementary Discipline

        28.1 Supplementary Discipline – In addition to the automatic fines and suspensions imposed under these rules, the Commissioner may, at his discretion, investigate any incident that occurs in connection with any Pre-season, Exhibition, League or Playoff game and may assess additional fines and/or suspensions for any offense committed during the course of a game or any aftermath thereof by a player, goalkeeper, Trainer, Manager, Coach or non-playing Club personnel or Club executive, whether or not such offense has been penalized by the Referee.

        • Luke says:

          While Bettman has final say, Shanahan’s direct boss is Campbell.

          Could you imagine disciplining your boss’s son?

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Quite right that he’s no longer in charge of discipline, but he’s still Executive Vice President and Director of Hockey Operations. He’s in the office, and Stephen Walkom was his underling who got the “little fake artist” emails when he was just a hockey dad sticking up for his goon son. So Daddy very much is still in the picture. For example, he’s the one in charge of coming up with new rules and how to apply them. Which is great, it’s appropriate, like when Gentle Ben had his own talk show.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Welcome Aboard. No re lack of size.

    • Luke says:

      He was on Toronto radio this week and talked about how happy they were with the standard of officiating.

      He at one point was discussing calls and non-calls and referred to a penalty that was called during the finals as a “Good call. It was a Stanley Cup penalty”

      What did the Who say? Meet the New Boss, same as the old boss…

      • doc359 says:

        Is it so silly that they just make a clear cut definition for all the rules, and provide strong, hands-on training to all the officials, with the best in the league running clinics pre-season on how to identify when a penalty is in fact a penalty? Consistent, fair judging, so GMs know how to build a roster, and so fans can actually enjoy the F-ing game. How are you supposed to attract new fans when even the old ones don’t know whats against the rules based on the time of year?

    • DeadEnd says:

      While his public comments are definitely not encouraging, the eternal optimist in me is hoping that this is just because he doesn’t want to come out and openly criticize/contradict his predecessor and bosses, who have openly supported the calls that were and weren’t made.

      I guess time will tell.

  13. habstrinifan says:

    @24CUPS… My apologies if it seems I am trying to walk all over your ‘theme’. You must have posted while I was doing the ‘research/composition’ to formulate my questions. So with your understanding I post the following questions…and hope for feedback. Note Parros and Tinordi I consider roster players.

    #1 Which current roster forward is in most danger of losing his spot.
    #2 Which current roster dman is in most danger of losing his spot.
    #3 Pick a non roster player who will replace #1.
    #4 Pick a non roster player who will replace #2.
    #5 Which player gets a ‘letter’ before others.
    #6 Which player surpasses last year.
    #7 Which player from prev roster is a surprisingly history.
    #8 Look at cap-geek and pick the team’s most useless signing.
    #9 Will there be a PICKUP before game #1.
    #10 Which has the potential for most ‘entropic chaos’? Mavid and
    her Weed Whacker or the Battailous Beaulieus.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      # 8 should be a dandy….

    • Habfan10912 says:

      1. White
      2. Diaz
      3. Thomas
      4. Beaulieu
      5. Gallagher
      6. Galchenyuk by a mile
      7. Blunden
      8. From this year? Brierre
      9. Nope
      10. Mavidf. I hear she’s bringing it to the summit.

      Smartdog would be proud.

    • Cal says:

      1. Moen 2. Gorges 3. Unknown- but I think the 4th line will be fluid, with 5 or 6 players being shuffled in and out. 4. I still have hopes for a trade. 5. Letters staying where they are for this season until trade deadline day. 6. Eller 7. Gionta- I think he’s pretty much done. 8. Moen and Gorges and Price in a three way tie. 9. Hopefully, yes. 10. Mavid- she’s dangerous with that thing- she gets those crazy eyes!

    • habstrinifan says:

      My answers to my silliness:
      #1 White!
      #2 Davis Drewiske!
      #3 Bournival.. I know I know but he matches White is size, is a
      better player and can be groomed to be a McPhee type. I looked
      at the forwards in organization this guy fulfills more needs than
      any other. I think he replaces White, Halpern and Nokelainen.
      #4 Greg Pateryn.. big solid defender plays simple game noticeably
      #5 Eller.. I posted a few days ago, “eller has worked himself into the
      psyche of the organization, coaches, fans as a very important
      player”…. MT essentially said the same thing on TSN690 two
      days ago..using different words but carrying the same
      interpretation ‘worked into psyche’ and ‘important’.
      #6 Eller again.
      #7 Blunden.
      #8 Nick Tarnasky… I remember liking this signing but on further
      reading.. wow.. no upside at all.
      #9 No!
      #10 It’s gonna be a ‘toss up’. Man I kill myself.. ‘toss up’.

    • habtastic74 says:

      1. White
      2. Bouillion
      3. Bournival
      4. Beaulieu
      5. Patch
      6. Galchenyuk
      7. I don’t understand the question.
      8. Moen
      9. Not unless there is a training camp injury

    • Chris says:

      1. Parros
      2. Bouillon
      3. a stack of hockey pucks
      4. Emelin (when he returns), as Tinordi will stay in the lineup
      5. Gionta, Gorges and Markov already have them. Prust is next, then Plekanec, then Pacioretty.
      6. Galchenyuk
      7. I don’t know what you’re asking here.
      8. Moen.
      9. No.

  14. Maritime Ron says:

    Happy 26th birthday Carey Price.
    How time flies.
    He will start his 7th season as a Hab….

  15. 24 Cups says:

    Lots of talk about the Habs top 25 under the age of 25. Here’s a go at it (I cheated and listed 28 players).

    Core players – Subban, Galchenyuk, MaxPac, Eller.
    Lookin’ good – Gallagher, Beaulieu and Tinordi
    Great lower picks – Collberg, Nygren, Hudon
    Uphill climb – Leblanc, , Dumont, Thomas, Holland, Ellis, Thrower
    Long shots – Bournival, Pateryn, Bozon, Dietz
    No chance – Tokarski, Vail, Nattinen, Nystrom
    New kids on the block – McCarron, Fucale, de la Rose, Lehkonen

    Let’s assume the first seven guys are locks to be Hab players in three years time. I wonder how many of the others will be on the big team, keeping in mind that statistically one in three picks from 21-90 make in to the NHL as regulars.

    • Cal says:

      Hi Steve. Good list.
      Of the lower picks, climbers, long shots and new kids, this is my list of wannabes that make the team for the 15/16 season at the latest: Collberg, Leblanc, McCarron, Fucale and Lehkonen.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Morning Steve. I love the way you’ve broken this down. Bergevin has stated that the team will be built from within. Free agents will be added to supplement. I think 2 of the “looking good” are the key.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Dark horse is Nygren.
      Don’t be surprised that when and if he gets the call, he never goes down to Hamilton again.

    • punkster says:

      Steve…your earlier Puck Daddy link and the references to Beliveau and Koivu are interesting.

      A question all here may want to ask themselves when clamouring for a new captain…who would best fit the shining examples of leadership embodied by those two?

      ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

    • habstrinifan says:

      I am gonna start charging for this! Bournival! Bournival! Bournival!
      … and another surprise Fucale!

      In 3 years, they will both be locks on the team or we have made a really dicey trade.

    • neumann103 says:

      1. Collberg. The best pure scorer on the list and furthest ahead in development.
      2. De La Rose. Most versatile player on the list. Young but already playing against men at 17. (See: Eller, Lars)
      3/4. Two of the smaller scoring forwards: Hudon, Thomas, Bozon, Lehkonen, Andrighetto (not on your list).
      5. One of the depth defensemen: Dietz, Pateryn, Ellis, Thrower, Nygren

      That’s right size queens, no McCarron. Part of this is just age, buteven then I think we are more likely to see some similar aged players like De La Rose and possibly even Lehkonen make the big club before big Mac. Part of this is just the whole actually being better at hockey part that oft gets overlooked. But the power forward role that McCarron looks to fill typically takes longer to develop.

      “Et le but!”

    • habtastic74 says:

      I definitely would not consider Tokarski as a “No chance.”

  16. Maritime Ron says:

    A lot of talk about how the Habs need some big, tough, crease clearing Dman… to which I will respectfully disagree for several reasons.

    First off, the sizes of the D men of the Cup winning Hawks who have now won 2 Cups in the past 4 years.

    In order of minutes played:
    Duncan Keith: 6′ 1″ 200
    Niklas Hjalmarsson: 6′ 3″ 207
    Brent Seabrook: 6′ 3″ 221
    Johnny Oduya: 6′ 0″ 190
    Michal Rozsival: 6′ 1″ 212
    Nick Leddy: 6′ 0″ 191

    The common traits are mobility and puck moving skill combined with strength.

    With all the new rule changes concerning interference, holding, cross checking, the need for the big hulk immobile Dman standing in front of the net is a thing of the past.

    Strength and skating – not size, has become key.
    Strength to win puck battles along the boards and win positioning in front of the net.
    A man can be big, but he can also be soft as a marshmellow ( Kaberle 6’1″-212)

    An interesting article written by now Rangers assistant coach Ulf Samuelsson back in 2008 puts it into perspective:

    ” The way I played (1984-2000), I would’ve been close to being in jail.”

    His quotes:
    – The typical NHL defenseman has undergone a transformation since the lockout. The biggest difference I see is in mobility.
    – Defensemen can’t use their size and strength as much as they could before the rules changed. Now, it’s more about positioning and lateral movement and a defenseman’s ability to mirror the forwards.

    – Some of the bigger defensemen – especially those who relied upon their strength, reach and physical presence – were hurt by the new rules.
    – I never played in the new NHL, but I think nowadays you need pure skating skills if you’re a defenseman. You can’t get by with grit and hard-nosed play. You need to be able to dance with the forwards or you won’t be able to stay in the league. Simply, you need to be an exceptional skater in today’s NHL.

    – Of course, you have to be able to play the game; that’s No. 1 and that’s going to be No. 1 no matter what the rules are. You have to be able to see the game, process quickly and execute the right play on the ice. That will never change.

    • Cal says:

      “The common traits are mobility and puck moving skill combined with strength.

      With all the new rule changes concerning interference, holding, cross checking, the need for the big hulk immobile Dman standing in front of the net is a thing of the past.”

      Well argued, but incorrect, imo.
      One just has to look at what Chara gets away with to know that your point is off the mark.
      But, it’s Friday, so why start a great big to-do over it, eh?

      • Habfan10912 says:

        You and Ron have just pointed out the thing about the game that drives me nuts. “What Chara get’s away with”.
        No one knows what’s going to be called a penalty from game to game and in some cases minute to minute. The “putting the whistles away”crap we see in the playoffs creates a completely different game. If I’m a GM I gave no friggin idea what kind of team to build. Remember when the game was going to be all speed and skill?

        • Cal says:

          Yup. However, having neanderthals like Campbell in charge of discipline throws all that talk out the window. I don’t know how they could have said this bs with a straight face. Since the Canes won the Cup, it seems every team that wins gets away with too much.

        • Maritime Ron says:

          Hi Jim

          Perhaps you try and build a Chicago style team.
          By the way, Chara was Minus -6 in the last 3 games of the Cup final and Minus -5 for the Cup final series.

          Actually, the Leafs had the template to beat Chara.
          Even Chara ‘dislikers’ have to admit he has good north-south mobility, but the Leafs challenged his ability to ‘skate-pivot-skate’ by continuously dumping the puck in his end and hitting him taking away his time and space that so may teams grant him

          You can see that here:

          Of course, that takes wingers with some size and courage….and when Chara pulls his BS nonsense, it’s good to have a Chris Neil around to straighten him out.
          Have a look at the outright fear on Chara’s face at the 20 second mark, almost begging Neil not to hit him.

          I enjoy watching that in full screen

          smiley 🙂 smiley 🙂

    • habs44 says:

      Excellent post Maritime Ron. An interesting look from someone who would know a thing or two about defensemen in Ulf Samuelsson.

      Good new for our future defensemen as a lot of them play that exact style of game; Beaulieu, Tinordi (for his size), Nygren (from scouting reports), Thrower.

      Not so good for our current defensemen;
      1) Markov used to be an ok skater but his knee injuries have played havoc on his skating.
      2) Gorges has never been a great skater. Below average to average at best.
      3) Diaz is average.
      4) Emelin is ok for his size but now has suffered a serious knee injury. Will that effect him going forward?
      5) Frankie B….. Old and slow.

      Wow, Subban is our only above average skating d-man.

      I propose this question to you all……Could this have factored into Price’s mediocre season last year?

      • 24 Cups says:

        Here’s how I’d rate our present D assuming that Tinordi and Beaulieu are presently down in Hamilton.

        Subban – Total stud, hardest player to find.
        Markov – good but on the other side of the hill, contract issues
        Gorges – good at what he does but still overrated by Hab fans.
        Emelin – great young talent with real health issues
        Diaz – better than most people give him credit for but is not physical
        Frankie B – thanks for the memories
        Drewiske – cannon fodder

        Montreal better hope that some of their young prospects make the grade during the next two years.

        • habstrinifan says:

          24 Cups I really dont see how Tinordi cannot start the season in MTL. I dont think the team has another option unless Drewskie suddenly drastically elevates his game.

          Even if Emelin is ready for game #1 you have to figure Tinordi getting at least ‘grooming’ minutes from day #1.

    • rhino514 says:

      Agree. St.Louis is an even better example. They are lauded as having the best defence in the league. Yet only one guy over 207 lbs in the top five, and that´s Bouwmeester at a “scary” 212 lbs.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        And when the Kings won the Cup last year:
        Their Top 4 in minutes played:
        Doughty: 6’1″-208
        Mitchell: 6’3″-212
        Scuderi: 6’1″-216
        Voynov: 6’0″-190

  17. Cal says:

    Good morning, crew! It’s Friday, so it’s time for a tune.
    Take it away, Neil!
    Come back soon, Boone. The place misses ya!

  18. 24 Cups says:

    The Canadiens only have one roster spot open (assuming Gionta can start the year) and that will probably go to Dumont who has to clear waivers and makes only 572,000. Here’s a list of who is left on the UFA market.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      We haven’t heard much on the rehab of Gionta, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he starts on the injured list. I am trying to recall what the word was last year at this time on his rehab, I know the lockout seemed to allow him ample time to recover and be ready for the late start to season.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Even if Gionta can’t go the Habs could still just have 13 forwards on their opening roster. No use wasting cap space with a guy sitting in the press box.

        Prust could jump into the top nine while Dumont and Parros alternate on the right flank of the fourth line.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Claude Evans (1955)
      Gerry McNeil (1957)
      Claude Pronovost (1959)
      Cesare Maniago (1963)
      Gump Worsley (1964-1967)
      Rogie Vachon (1967-1970)
      Garry Bauman (1967)
      Phil Myre (1971-1972)
      Wayne Thomas (1973-1974)
      Rod Schutt (1978)
      Pat Hughes (1979)
      Chris Nilan (1980-1992)
      Rick Meagher (1980)
      Turner Stevenson (1993-1997)
      Jean-Francois Jomphe (1999)
      Mathieu Garon (2001-2004)
      David Aebischer (2006-2007)
      Peter Budaj (2012-2013)

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Chris Nilan.

  19. Maritime Ron says:

    Jarred Tinordi interviews Nathan Beaulieu during the 2012 NHLPA Rookie Showcase.

  20. Marc10 says:

    Random thoughts…

    Guys & gals, remind me when I’m in dire need of legal council or if I need to get some contracts proof read to source from HIO. There’s just the right amount of knowledge, free time and attention to detail among the faithful to get the job done I reckon.

    The Beaulieu tussle got about as out of hand as the comments on this thread.

    I propose we nickname young Nathan Lady Bing until he straightens out and stops channeling his inner Chelios.

    So Lady Bing gets the Therrien personal development crash course in a little over 30 days, eh. Can’t wait. Go Habs Go!

  21. Un Canadien errant says:

    The word ‘hero’ gets thrown around a lot in casual conversation, but Whistler recently lost a true hero. He will be missed.

  22. JohnBellyful says:

    Do you have dress ball caps?
    Yeah, you got a bunch of hats bearing the logos of your favourite teams — hockey, football, baseball — but chances are they’ve all seen better days. They’re weathered, faded, and stained with dirt, sweat, ketchup, urine (that time you lost the bet, remember?), and still you keep wearin’ ’em because they’re part of you and they tell a story.
    You wouldn’t dare go out of the house without one on, not if you didn’t want to feel naked.
    But there are times and places you know you can’t get away with wearing a crummy cap. Special occasions like weddings, funerals, court appearances.
    My question is, do you have one or two caps set aside, in pristine condition, for just those occasions? Or do you toss one of your favourite cranial covers in the washer — blasphemy! — or send it to the dry cleaners — horrors! — so you can look spiffy for the baby’s christening? 25th anniversary? Divorce?

    Edit: Hey, Number 500! Woohoo! How Fortune-ate.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      My experience with that is the character who shows up for his court appearance with his best concert tour t-shirt on. Sure his jeans are defiantly faded and torn, but he takes care to wash and condition his lanky hair so that it falls over his eyes just so. And his Motley Crue and Def Leppard t-shirts have seen better days, so he busts out the brand new Poison t-shirt, which is a baseball-style shirt, so kind of long-sleeved, so pretty formal, and since it’s only been worn two or three times on special occasions, the iron on is still glittery and not cracked and faded, and the black fabric hasn’t faded to a charcoal yet, it’s still badass crisp brilliant deep black.

      This gentleman’s lawyer’s first words were invariably: “Your honour, my client has turned his life around, he now has a job, …”

  23. JayK-47 says:

    I heard Nate and his dad held the second guy down, a 5’6″ pacifist btw, and rubbed Tabasco sauce in his eyes until he gave up the goods.

  24. The Jackal says:

    Well if this is the subject du jour, I may as well throw my lot in with the crowd giving Nathan B. the benefit of the doubt.

    Either way, I hope he matures and grows from this experience, but that he keeps his mean streak and focuses it on the ice.

    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  25. Timo says:

    @Punkster – thanks, Dave. I did in fact have a pretty painful pre-crown gum surgery about 3 months ago. Couldn’t enjoy food for about a week. Today was an actual crown prep… also lovely but not nearly as much fun as the dentist carving your gum tissue with a dentist version of a weed whacker.

    All I know is that Mavid will have fun when it’s her turn.

    • Chris says:

      The crown lengthening surgery was remarkably quick for me…I’ve had it done twice (had to get repairs done due to a previous dentist making some rather horrific mistakes), and both times I was in and out in about 15 minutes. Sounds scary and gory though.

      The post surgery treatment was a bit annoying, but it is definitely worth it if they can get the crown on.

  26. The Jackal says:

    Wouldn’t it be funny if we won the cup with DD on the team?
    Then a few seasons later we trade DD for a decent return, and then subsequently have a bad season. I would love to see Timo’s posts re. DD then.

    “WTF was MB thinking trading DD??? Got a bunch of stiffs in return, we’ll never win the cup again.”

    That would be awesome to see.

    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  27. HabinBurlington says:

    Giroux with a bizarre injury golfing, must have duffed the shot something fierce or hit a root to cause club to shatter.

  28. twilighthours says:

    Bill, you still around? You said beaulieu will be better than brisebois. Do you think that he even might have a chance to some day go FULL BREEZER?

    • Chris says:

      Patrice Brisebois was named the best defenceman in the CHL in 1990-91. He also played a prominent role on Canada’s World Junior Team that won a gold medal, and was a Memorial Cup all-star.

      He’s popular for Habs fans to mock, but he did have a long and relatively strong NHL career (over 1000 games, 420 points), good for 81st all-time among defencemen scoring leaders without the benefit of the high-scoring 80’s to pad his numbers.

      I’d be ecstatic if Beaulieu was as good as Brisebois. If he’s better, that’s awesome.

  29. punkster says:

    So I spend an afternoon on the links and come back to…what?

    First, an incredible expenditure of interwebby bits and bytes on the Bealieu Brawl…oh August, how thou dost deprive the hockey starved of worthy topics.

    Second, an assertion that in our younger days we’ve all had indictable altercations and fights in high school and bars…must have been my strict country boy upbringing because I don’t recall having any such scrapes with the law myself.

    ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

  30. twilighthours says:

    Beauty stuff between Chris and hippo. That was en enjoyable exchange to read.

    Also great stuff by HIO’s amateur scouts on beaulieu. I’m excited. Can’t wait to see this kid crack the lineup full time.

  31. frontenac1 says:

    Go Chargers! Sorry Trestman.

  32. frontenac1 says:

    I miss Stauby. Always good for a punch-up when the game got boring. A real crowd pleaser.

  33. Sportfan says:

    Check out this article from puck daddy top players picked from their home country! Although I don’t disagree its hard to pick one top Canadian Hab.

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

  34. habddiction says:

    can\\\\\\\’t write it with my ipad

    • habddiction says:

      Sorry about the earlier entry.?…
      This is for you Mavid, my battery powered weed wacker is awesome,and it has been going strong for 2 years now,only have to recharge every 4 weeks, I got so tired of dislocating my shoulder trying to start my gas powered ones, happy gardening.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        I make post like that all the time but I can’t blame it on my equipment. Fat fingers and bad eyes are my issue. I’ve become an expert with the edit feature. CHeers.

  35. Habfan10912 says:

    Habfab points out below that most goons happen to be nice guys. The first truly no talent goon I remember was Dave Shultz. Was he.a good guy off the ice?

  36. habs11s says:

    Question: is Game Center Live worth the $$, I’m looking for a streaming package to watch an abundance of hockey this season.


    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      If you want to watch American teams play it’s good. I live in Ottawa and get ZERO Habs games on GameCenter because RDS is on basic or one step up from basic cable.

      Any game that is on CBC, TSN or Sportsnet is also blacked out. Plus they don’t show the playoffs on GameCenter.

      So ya, if you want to watch mostly American teams play each other during the regular season, go for it.

      If you live in the States and want to watch the Habs and Canadian teams it would be good IMO.

      My girlfriend doesn’t speak French so I got it when it was $50 last year. We thought we’d get to see the Habs games in English but none were available. I think RDS is available across all of Canada so I don’t think any Habs games are on GameCenter?

      • habs11s says:

        I live more towards the GTA, so I’d get blackouted for the Leaf games but who wants to watch those 😉


        “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          I still think most, if not all Habs games would be blacked out because you can get RDS on Bell or Rogers.

          The big cable companies do not want you to cancel your cable.

          If I could get all 82 Habs games on Gamcenter in HD plus the playoffs I’d cancel my cable, as would 1000s of others, that’s why they black out the games.

          • habs11s says:

            many thanks for the info, I’m going to have to do some more research into it all


            “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  37. Mavid says:

    oh and 31…

  38. Mavid says:

    So sick of hearing about Alfie..bla..everyone should be more interested in talking about my battery powered weed wacker..

  39. Phil C says:

    I couldn’t care less that Beaulieu got charged for assault. He’s a hockey player FFS, not an altar boy.

    What bothers me a little bit is that he and his Dad come off sounding like jackasses. Hopefully it is a maturity thing and not a sign of future problems in the dressing room. His offensive instincts and skating make me very tolerant of any character flaws.

  40. HabFab says:

    The Beaulieu story confirms that you can’t put too much into rumors until the legal case is finished.
    Personally am disappointed but we have had a need for a goon for some time. Actually have you noticed that most goons are actually nice guys with the punks being the talented ones….mmmmh!

  41. Bill says:

    @Bwoar: did you mean you get the Brisebois vibe from Beaulieu? If so, nothing could be further from the truth. He’s the lost ill-tempered Habs D prospect after Thrower. And just as mobile and skilled as Brisebois.

    • savethepuck says:

      Not to stir the pot, but I wonder where Kristo would of been in the top 25 if this trade wasn’t made? I think he would be closer to top 10.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

      • HabFab says:

        Good point! Still not sure if that was a “we don’t want someone like him on our team” OR it was a deal made with him to get him to sign in the first place. Can’t think of any other logical reason.

        • savethepuck says:

          I don’t think we’ll ever know why this trade was made, but I don’t let myself get worked up over things I don’t have all the facts of and are out of my control.

          “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
          Carey Price

          • HabFab says:

            Exactly, isn’t that second half of your sentence a quote from me? 🙂

          • savethepuck says:

            ^^I am not sure what part of my statement may be a quote, but it wasn’t intended to be.

            “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
            Carey Price

          • HabFab says:

            I don’t get worked up over things out of my control.

      • Dust says:

        meh. the guy writing this articles has probably never even seen thomas play live. Its not like its actual scouts writing this.

      • bwoar says:

        It’s too bad he didn’t assault someone, he’d be in camp.


  42. Just A Guy says:

    Wow talk about much ado about nothing.

    I’m not going to go digging again, but the only thing I ever found was an obscured police report about the whole thing and it read at best:

    Hockey paraphernalia (wow on a side note, I had no idea how to spell paraphernalia up until now.) was destroyed and two adults and two young men got into a fight, minor scrapes and bruises were the result. This came at a party after a day of golfing (and most likely drinking!) at a charity golf tournament.

    I’m sure the scenarios we can invent are limitless, so long as they include pizza with peameal bacon.

  43. frontenac1 says:

    @bwoar. In that case, I’d buy the pints amigo.

  44. Luke says:


    Ok, Ian. You asked for it.
    I’m in. I’ll take both.


    We’ll put the Beaulieu’s to shame.

  45. frontenac1 says:

    Maybe Ian should invite Nate”s Dad up to Hurleys,buy him some pints and get the low-down?

  46. Bill says:

    @neumann: that’s the best summary of Beaulieu’s game that I’ve ever read. Hope others take note. He’s out future 1A Dman after Subban.

    • bwoar says:

      Still get the Brisebois vibe from him, sorry Bill.


      • The Jackal says:

        Brisebois was a good D-man, just gets a bad rap, so if Beaulieu turns out good or better than Breezer, that’s fine for us.

        Hockey sine stercore tauri.

    • neumann103 says:


      Thanks. I have about ten things to say ’bout Beaulieu (not including “find new drinking buddies”) all of which seem totally obvious to me (especially including “find new drinking buddies”)

      Normally when compelled to post I will throw in maybe three of them, but today I used six or seven, so it seems like a magnum opus.

      While I probably value some of the advanced stats more than the consensus on HIO (as the cries of “Begone, foul Berkshirite heretic!” rise from the pitchfork wielding mob) some of this “obvious” stuff only becomes obvious when seeing a player play, especially live as I gather you have in Junior. Also in his natural habitat (not beside Frankie Boullion). Beaulieu is too new to have had that exposure.

      The live thing can really be key both from the obvious aspect of not being beholden to the choices of the TV director, but also from the really different and kind of intangible impact of the live perspective. I call this The Brad Staubitz Effect. As in “Who is that guy I don’t recognize in the Habs warmup who is a really good skater. Holy #@&*, it’s Brad Freaking Staubitz!”

      There is no prospect in recent years in whom I have had anything close to the emotional investment as Brendan Gallagher. But that is because he is a feel good story who then earned his spot in two successive training camps (I thought he was among the best 12 forwards 2 years ago but that not bringing him up was the right development decision).

      There is no new young player in recent years who has resonated with me as much as Lars Eller, but a lot of that is he is just the kind of player I like.

      There is no veteran addition whose signing has delighted me more than Brandon Prust, because he was so undervalued as a player in New York, is a legitimate 3rd liner and 1st line PK guy who can take care of himself and the team.

      There is no more obvious in advance elite talent boost to compare to the impact of getting Galchenyuk.

      I love picking up guys like Collberg and De La Rose in the low 30s.

      But I just don’t see any of the routine (eg not Top 3) picks of the Habs in years that has the obvious, elite level skills that Beaulieu possesses.

      And I don’t get the comparison several made to Brisebois, other than perhaps their lateral moves skating backwards?

      “Et le but!”

  47. HabFanSince72 says:

    The other aspect of the Beaulieu case that no one has commented on is how lame it is to go drinking and get into a brawl WITH YOUR DAD. Just a step above going to a Billy Joel concert with your dad. Or going on a double date.

  48. Strummer says:

    Sometimes prosecutors go overboard when dealing with “celebrities” and go ahead with the case rather than be accused of being soft on said celebrities.

    One example is back in the nineties when Eric Lindros was charged with assault after spitting beer on a woman in a Whitby, ON bar.

    He was subsequently escorted in handcuffs after he surrenders at the police station- supposedly following protocol- what a joke!

    Edit- he was acquitted in the end
    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • habstrinifan says:

      Dont know the details re his arrest etc but spitting beer (intentionally) at a woman is assault.. much more grevious in my book than an all parties consenting dust-up.

      Not that I am innocent from being drunk and stupid. I once was so pissed out of my mind that I gave a girl in another ‘party of drinkers’ an uninvited bear-hug and lifted her off her feet by a couple inches.

      Almost started a dustup.

      The sad thing is I was drunk around 2am in the morning in Napanee ONT. I mean really ..I still can’t expalin what we were doing ‘touring’ in Napanee ONT for Christ’s sakes. Well it wasnt Florida and I wasnt in a hoodie.

  49. frontenac1 says:

    @timo. Just read you were at the Dentist. Hope he’s better than mine amigo. He stuck me with a couple of needles and missed on one. Hurt like hell so I swore at him and called him a quack,so he stuck me again! The frikkin bill? Jeeze!

  50. Ian Cobb says:

    Your beating a dead Beaulieu horse!! boys.

  51. Bill says:

    @UCE: No. The fact that the Beaulieus plead guilty does not at all indicate that they agree with the “facts of the case”. It indicates that they found a good deal to move on and allow their careers to continue with a minimum of disruption. It was a great deal and they took it.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      So Bill, if it was a good deal for them, does that mean that they could have gotten a much more stern sentence? If they had, would you feel different about this case?

      Put yourself in the victim’s shoes. You see a kid who’s kind of out of control wrecking stuff, you intervene, and all of a sudden his dad jumps in and now you’re in a fight? And you have to run away after getting punched repeatedly in the head? Come on Bill, let’s have an objective view of things, and some empathy for the victims.

      I stand by what I said, the Crown will insist on a clear statement of facts that the accused pleads guilty to. There’s no wriggle room or opportunity to say after the fact “I was just kidding”.

      • Da Hema says:

        UCe: you know how much I respect your points of view. If — IF — the events unfolded as you state below, then the real controversy should revolve around why the Crown did not pursue this case further with amplified assault charges. But even you concede you are speculating about what happened — and that is precisely why, in the end, all of us need to be a little more circumspect when we try to communicate the “facts” of this incident. I also must object to your claim that some of us are viewing this through rose-colored lenses — I never stated nor implied that the Beaulieus were being treated too harshly, or that “boys will be boys.” My point is that too many people here are rushing to judgment based on mostly speculation.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I think we’re (as a group) getting closer to a reasonable understanding of this issue. It floors me that some people are trying to write this off as rough-housing, highjinks. It’s not. The victims didn’t think this was cute, neither did the police or Crown, so let’s take it seriously.

          I wasn’t pointing the finger at you in particular, since you’re not the only one who seemed dismissive of the gravity of this incident.

          I agree that we shouldn’t rush to judgment. As far as my version of the events, they’re based entirely on the LFP article, I’m not imagining anything, or interpreting much at all. Let’s hope commandant can get us a transcript of this decision pronto and we can have the best source of info.

    • commandant says:

      I’m also seeing a disposition of conditional discharge that doesn’t add up if those were the actual facts. They usually don’t let it off that lightly.

      Again as I said below, I’d like to see the actual court copy of the “Statement of Agreed Facts” and not the Reporters version of what it says. The court copy is just more reliable.

      Go Habs Go!
      Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

      • commandant says:

        Oh and re-reading the story…

        Not once does the reporter quote a statement of agreed facts. The entire time she quotes the Assistant Crown Prosecutor’s version of the story.

        That seems to me to mean’s its the crown’s version and not a “statement of agreed facts” that was submitted to the court on the case.

        Go Habs Go!
        Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Point taken. I did infer that when Crown described what happened, it was reliant on what both parties agreed to. But it’s even more incentive for you to get your hands on that and share with us.

  52. --Habs-- says:

    Look we’ve all had altercations that if caught could have been charged. We all had a fight in HS and we’ve all had some type of altercation at a bar in our younger days. SO move on and lesson learned. Don’t trade the kid because of a stupid mistake unless we’re all a bunch of of hypocrites! In the 70’s we had fights in hockey games that rolled into the stands against parents at Gadbois arena in St Henri and we all lived! If you not happy go wach lawn bowling where the biggest event is the clash of the balls.

    Go HABS Go

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Again, this was not a high school fight where two guys square off. This was two guys who started a fight against one person, then another, and stopped short of the psychotic stage. In a high school fight, when one goes down or runs away, you normally call the fight over. You don’t beat on witnesses to get the other kid’s address.

      This was not a fight, it was an assault that they plead guilty to. Let’s not minimize it because a Canadien is involved. If Brad Marchand was involved instead of our boy, we’d crucify him.

      • Luke says:

        Re: If Brad Marchand was involved instead of our boy, we’d crucify him.

        Bang on.

      • krob1000 says:

        not true….Marchand would not have stuck his nose into anyone else’s business now would he? hmm…let me rethink that

      • --Habs-- says:

        So what do you want? Hang them at city hall? Ban them from hockey for life? Send them to jail for 10 years! Hell he’ll be a great tax payer some day for most of our social programs…… Now back to reality……..
        Just because someone has a fight doesn’t mean they ARE bullies, violent or cruel. When an idiot at a bar inappropriately touched my wife one night, I grabbed him by his long hair, pulled him out the back door into the back alley and the rest…..well use your imagination of what happened to the disrespectful worthless ass. He was a bully, violent and cruel….I would have been happy to head home quietly with my wife that night but someone’s actions changed that. That was my judgment day not his privilege because he thought he could get away with the disrespectful act. I’m far from a bully, violent or cruel.

        Go HABS Go

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Strawman argument. Nowhere do I say that he should have been punished that harshly. You can’t state something ridiculous, imply that that’s what I’m saying, and then ascribe the ridiculousness to my posts and my argument. Just because I don’t agree with your position doesn’t mean my position is in Antarctica or Neptune.

          So my point isn’t that they, sigh, should be hanged, or jailed. My point is that this isn’t a ‘boys will be boys’ situation. This isn’t a ‘high school fight’. This is not a noble quest to avenge a woman’s honour. Don’t treat it as such. Don’t gloss over the behaviour and pretend it’s no big deal, just because the kid is a Hamilton Bulldog and we pin a lot of hopes on him. Nathan Beaulieu and his father acted like cheap thugs, like bullies, and it’s worrisome. As I stated in most of my posts, I really hope they learn from this and change their ways.

          Yesterday I provided a link to various case law on assault. It showed that people who hit others on the head with a bottle, or caused grievous injury to the victim, got a few months in jail. And I concluded that the sentence the Beaulieus got was probably reasonable, but shouldn’t be used as a reason to dismiss their culpability. They were charged with assault, plead guilty to that, but then the judge compared with case law, looked at the likelihood that they can lead productive lives in society and can be rehabilitated, and decided to not throw the book at them. Again, as I’ve stated before, probably the right course of action.

          So again, keep your “just because someone has a fight doesn’t mean they’re bullies” argument, it’s completely inept. They didn’t have a fight, they committed an assault, they attacked an unwilling party two against one, then attacked another party two against one. Read the London Free Press article, read what actually happened. Don’t mix it in with your heroic bar exploits, and incidents of self-defence. In this instance, the Beaulieus precisely were bullies, and were judged as such. And Nathan had better grow up, and get his temper under control, and learn to respect others and act appropriately when a guest in someone’s home.

  53. Ian Cobb says:

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    We will all meet and greet at Hurley’s pub Friday eve. on Crescent St.
    Some of us will be having supper there, and name tags will be given out.
    Everyone is welcome to join us. Wear you team colors! and enjoy the evening.

    Saturday morning, breakfast is at Chez Cora’s at 8:30am. 1240 Drummond St.
    You can order a la cart and everyone gets 15% discount off your bill.

    After breakfast we walk over to the Bell Center for the Hall of Fame and Bell Center Tour.

    At 3pm the Montreal Canadiens Children’s Foundation charity raffle at the Baton Rouge restaurant 1050 Mountain St.
    Each person is asked to bring one gift item to donate for the charity raffle, so everyone gets a gift to go home with. After this years fund raiser, we will have donated over $10,000 to different children’s charities. This year we are supporting the Mtl. Canadiens Children Foundation.

    Then our wonderful Baton Rouge Restaurant pre game dinner.

    After dinner we walk across the street to the Bell Center and Hab’s game.

    After the game the 2nd floor of Hurley’s pub is reserved for us again, to celebrate the win. Anyone may join us, just identify yourself as a HIO member.

    Please be generous with your charity raffle gifts and your purchase of raffle tickets. It is a way for the HIO community to give back to less fortunate kids.

    Everything is walking distance, so park your car for the weekend.
    Enjoy talking hockey and meeting your wonderful HIO community at this years Summit.

  54. Un Canadien errant says:

    Guys, we really have to cut it out with the bending over backwards to put Nathan Beaulieu in a positive light. Let’s stop with the hypotheses, that maybe he was sticking up for his dad, or maybe the other guys kind of started it, and the Beaulieus were charged just because “they won”. Let’s not wait for this ‘other side of the story’.

    When they plead guilty, there had to be an agreement as to the facts of the case. You’re not allowed to plead guilty with your fingers crossed, or with a ‘whatever’ attitude. When you plead guilty, the Crown and the Defence Counsel agree to this statement of fact. The guilty party agrees that what is read out in court as the events, are the events. That’s the story. That’s what happened. The London Free Press article does a pretty good job of describing what happened.

    Some posters are dismissing it as nothing more than a beery punchup. Please, read the story. One gentlemen was getting assaulted by Jacques and Nathan Beaulieu, and got punched eight times in the head. He manages to escape to his truck, locks himself in. Based on the article, I deduce that he takes off. Now, according to the article, the Beaulieus aren’t done, they want to keep hammering at this guy, so they ask the other victim where the pickup truck guy lives, and they beat on him to get the address. Holy Crap! That’s terrifying behaviour, for both victims. That’s really far down the road to rageaholic behaviour, and thuggery.

    Now some of us on HIO may be tough guys who’ve seen it rain, we’ve taken a few punches and dealt out a few too, no big deal. Well that’s fine, but for most people being in a fight is frightening, it’s humiliating, it’s stressful. Now in this case, one guy has to run away to his truck and barricade himself in, and finds out later that they were beating up the other guy to find out the address to finish what they started. Where was this going to stop? At what point were they going to be satisfied? How much does the victim’s imagination race to the worst-case scenario, and how long does it keep him up at night and provide him with nightmares?

    So ultimately, no grave injuries, and in terms of the Criminal Justice system not a huge deal, no weapons were used, so the Beaulieus escape with a conditional discharge. Good for them, and I hope they make the best of this chance they get, but this is a huge black mark. They were drunk, they were idiots and vandals while guests in someone else’s house, provoked a fight, and then didn’t know when to back off when the fight was clearly over. They are getting off lightly, and they better make good use of this slap on the wrist, and take steps to deal with this anger-bully tendency they displayed.

    • krob1000 says:

      So Alfie goes to Detroit where he can still haunt the Habs with the realignment
      and yes..that has zero relevance to your post and was supposed to be soemwhere else. My bad.

    • Bripro says:

      I’m not condoning their behaviour, by any stretch of the imagination.
      I agree with you whole-heartedly Norm.
      But if anything, Jacques should have known better. He’s not a teenager. A father should be responsible enough to show good judgement. Especially in front of one’s kids.
      As for Nathan, having a 20-year old boy who’s had his run-ins for misdemeanours with local authorities (light as they were), I chalk that up mostly to immaturity, and not knowing when to use proper judgement.
      I certainly hope that he will learn from it.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I hope that’s true, that it’s just immaturity, and not more serious concerns like anger issues, and lack of discipline and self-control.

    • commandant says:

      As someone who has worked in the system, I’d like to get my hands on the actual “statement of agreed facts” and not on the newspaper report of what they think it says.

      I’ve seen reporters mess this up more times than I can count in their newspaper stories about what they think a court document actually says.

      The fact is that we have reporters, with little legal training, interpreting legal documents, and there are a ton out there who do a very poor job of it. I have text books full of the stuff… the actual legal document side by side with the newspaper article and some are pretty hilarious.

      Go Habs Go!
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      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I concur Ben, I’d love to get my hands on that. Too often I see reporters mess up technical details, or just plain facts. There are a couple of gaps in the story that I’d like clarified. But the LFP account has the barebones reasons why it wasn’t just written off as ‘boys being boys’ and a mere drunken melee. The victims don’t appear to have consented to a fight, they were set upon 2-on-1, in succession. It was clearly an assault, not just a guy with a fat lip complaining.

  55. Bill says:

    @DaHema: I of course totally agree with your view of the Beaulieu thing, as a quick perusal of my posts about it will attest. Couldn’t agree with you more.

  56. commandant says:

    The Avalanche give Gabriel Landeskog a 7 year contract extension.

    Go Habs Go!
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  57. Bill says:

    HF72: it’s only a bad trade for Winnipeg IF they can’t upgrade their centre position with a better trade. They’d be better this year with Plekanec instead of Byfuglien.

  58. Bill says:

    @Myron: The whole Beaulieu thing ends at “we don’t know what actually happened”. Maybe he was just standing up for his dad. Who knows. Anyway, if he has attitude problems, I think they will be quickly corrected by Markov, Gorges, Prust, Gionta, and Plekanec.

  59. Bill says:

    @Eddie: Shrewd assessment of the mutual needs of the Habs and Jets. Byfuglien for Pleks is a good deal.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I think we come out ahead on that deal. Big Buff is an all-star D-man who has 50+ points in each of the last three seasons (pro-rated for 2013), is 2.5 years younger than Plex and signed for the same cap hit. I believe Byfuglien was 2nd in Norris voting two years ago too.

      Byfuglien is one of the ten best d-men in the league. Plex is great – and extremely versaile – but not in Buff’s league unfortunately.

      No way that trade makes sense for the Peg.

  60. Bill says:

    @Da Hema: maybe I’m wrong, but I think it ill-behooves us long-time posters to be as snippy as you are being with Chris. “Motherly homily”? “Sermonizing”? You and he disagree, but hey, lets keep it as civil as you and he usually keep it? This is a community and you and he are a big part of it.

    I had a good laugh remembering Burns’s comments on the guy who beat Corson in a bar fight (how tough must that guy have been?) btw.

    • Da Hema says:

      You are, of course, right Bill. I already do regret the tone of that post — and perhaps I will extend an apology to Chris when he returns. That said, his reply to me earlier in this thread did indeed irritate me, and I do think some people here need to come down from the abstract moral clouds. 30 years ago, the Beaulieus likely would have received a pass on this entire affair by the police and the media. The social and legal pendulum has swung the other way today. But I do believe it is absurdly premature either to imply or to conclude, as some have, that Nathan has “character problems” based on the hoary accounts of what really happened. If Nathan and his dad are ever again involved in something like this, then both of them truly will deserve whatever public disapprobation comes their way. What today’s increased public scrutiny of athletes has revealed is that they are human just like the rest of us. They too make mistakes. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, as some wise fella once said.

    • Chris says:

      I actually found his post pretty well written. I don’t mind people taking a bite out of me if it is cleverly written.

      I give full points for use of Archimedian point…that was well played.

  61. Eddie says:

    Chris was looking for a team that needs a center, and one who could possibly deal us back a top 4 d-man.

    How about Winnipeg?

    Their top 2 centers are Bryan Little and Olli Jokinen, so maybe they would be interested in a center like Tomas Plekanec.

    The Jets have Enstrom, Bogosian and Byfuglien as their top 3 d-men, but they have Jacob Trouba waiting to break into the lineup and he’s a fantastic prospect who will be top 4 for sure.

    So maybe we could swing a Plekanec for Byfuglien??

    We insert Briere at center and give him the offensive situations Plekanec would have played.

    We give Eller Plekanec’s defensive responsibilities, and although Eller is not Plekanec defensively, well, we’re not winning the Cup next season either way.

    We get Byfuglien.

    A huge, intimidating d-man who can play top 3 minutes and all situations.

  62. Da Hema says:


    Earlier in this thread you admonished me for one of my comments about this Beaulieu incident. I suppose it is good that you, unlike the rest of us, have discerned the Archemedian point so that like an all-knowing mother hen you cross your arms and cluck-cluck when something offends your tender sensibilities.

    Please let me state this: since neither you nor I (nor anyone here) know all the facts about what happened at that event involving Beaulieu and his father, getting on the moral high horse seems somewhat hysterical. The Crown certainly didn’t believe it warranted any further action. This is why, for me, it is nothing. The Beaulieus were charged with an offense that is a few steps up from littering or public micturation.

    I should have amplified my comment about former Habs getting into bar fights almost on a nightly basis to draw out what I found amusing about that era. Pat Burns once said he wanted Serge Savard to sign the guy who gave Shayne Corson a black eye in a bar fight. I find that funny, but I suppose I can anticipate you responding with some motherly homily about this too.

    Hopefully both Beaulieus will learn from this incident. It isn’t good for high-profile people like them (who also are role models) to get into an incident like they did. But I do wish some people here would leave their airy perches and stop sermonizing to the rest of us.

    • habs44 says:

      From a Police perspective……sometimes charges are laid that we don’t necessarily agree with. Discretion can be used. But if someone, usually a victim, is insisting charges be laid its sometimes difficult not to. Remember, the police don’t decide the outcome of an incident. They determine ‘right from wrong’ and send it to the Crown Attorney to decide the severity of the punishment. From my experience, when the Crown does not want to proceed with strict punishment and is willing to deal…..they themselves agree its not worthy of being considered a big issue.

    • Chris says:

      I kind of goggled a bit at the comment, “The Crown certainly didn’t believe it warranted any further action.” Umm…they prosecuted an assault charge, to which the Beaulieus have both now pleaded guilty.

      The case wasn’t thrown out due to a lack of evidence. They did a plea deal where the Beaulieus admitted guilt but were granted a conditional discharge so that their respective careers (involving much international travel) were not impacted.

      Two acquaintances of the Beaulieu call the police to report an assault. The police passed it forward to the Crown, who decided there was enough to proceed to seek a conviction. After many legal wranglings, a guilty plea is obtained with minimal punishment.

      Let’s look at another situation. Top OHL prospect Nick Cousins was arrested in Sault Ste. Marie on August 25, 2012 and charged with sexual assault (an obviously much more serious offence). In April, 2013, the charges were dropped because the Crown felt that there was no reasonable chance of a conviction. So there was no guilty plea, no need to discharge a conviction…but the whole event does not go down in the annals as “nothing”. Nick Cousins, rightly or wrongly, will be carrying a giant red flag for the next few years.

      The charges against the Beaulieus were never dropped because it was not “nothing”. This is my central complaint in all of this…people are trivializing something that clearly wasn’t trivial, at least to the people involved and the Crown Attorney.

      It is not at all uncommon for the Crown to make allowances for the fact that the incident was a one-time thing while taking into account the severity of the injuries sustained. This allows them some leeway when sentencing or registering a conviction.

      The Beaulieus should just be thankful that assault does not carry minimum sentencing the way that being caught with 6 marijuana plants in their backyard might have. Funny world where being a stoner grants you less wiggle room than you get for assaulting a fellow human being, which is evidently just a little above littering and public urination on the severity scale.

      Regardless, Beaulieu is now carrying a giant red flag. He’s got to stay completely out of trouble if he wants to have a professional hockey career.

      • habs44 says:


        The defence would have proposed the dealing of the charges to a conditional discharge. The crown agreed to it. In essence, both sides are saying a mistake was made and are willing to move one.

        Again, speaking from a experience. If the Beaulieu’s had wished to dispute the charge by way of a trial……they could have. This is when charges are usually pulled due to lack of evidence or reasonable chance of conviction.

        By the way, there is no such thing as a minimum sentence for having six marijuana plants… least not in Ontario’s judicial system.

        • Chris says:

          It is a Canadian law that came on the books on November 6, 2012.

          The Controlled Drugs and Substances Act was amended on that date, and one of the new mandatory minimum sentences is “posession of at least six cannabis plants is now punishable with six to nine months of imprisonment.”

          I haven’t seen anything since that date indicating that the amendment, which was passed last year and began being enforced in November, has been repealed. Can’t see the Conservatives having a change of heart, as they have a real burr under their saddle on that particular file.

          Drug possession is a federal offence, and prosecution/sentencing falls under the federal judicial system, as I understand it, not Ontario’s. They can only control how the law is enforced (what police resources they put towards it), not how it is prosecuted. At least that is my understanding from my brother, who deals with these cases now as a parole officer at a prison.

  63. rhino514 says:

    Are you guys saying Beaulieu may become as good as, oh, i don´t know….McDonagh, for example?

  64. myron.selby says:

    What worries me about this Beaulieu story is what started the fight. Smashing up some kid’s hockey gear? What kind of a nasty little puke does it take to do something like that?

    I realize that the Beaulieus are not allowed to tell their side of things at this point, so there may be more to it than we know. But from the information in that article, I’m not sure I’d want him on any team I played on. Guys who do stuff like that can be pure poison (think Ribeiro).

    It wouldn’t surprise me to see him moved. I’m not sure this is the kind of behaviour MB wants from his players.

    Although there may be another side to the story and MB gives the kid a pass on this one. But I would be willing to bet that he is at least on probation with the Habs. I can see MB giving him notice to clean up his act.

    • bwoar says:

      I may be in the minority but I’d rather we had a few (i.e. more than 3) guys who were always ready to slip a few b*tches and who are generally obnoxious bunny-holes and malcontents. It fits the spirit of the New NHL and gives young Quebec kids the same great examples their grandparents and great-grandparents had. Vive Mononc Jacques!

      “Haters gonna hate, tessellators gonna tessellate”

  65. commandant says:

    Another Divisional Opponent and their prospects.

    Go Habs Go!
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  66. HabFanSince72 says:

    More Russian homophobia:

    “World pole vault champion Yelena Isinbayeva has spoken out against homosexuality”

    “We are Russians. Maybe we are different than European people, than other people from different lands.”


    ” We have our law which everyone has to respect.”


    Plus, two of the most famous Russians, Piotr Illych Tchaikovsky and Vladimir Putin, were/are gay.

    • pmaraw says:

      just kinda had to chuckle to myself, you seem very bothered by this russian homophobia beatings and even if they kill one they’re considered to be able to boast about it openly in public and receive praise…. this is very disturbing, but what made me chuckle in all this was remembering how bothered you were when students were having the naked protest in montreal and you were opposed to it. So…. boobies, not in your backyard, gay bashing, gtfo.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        You must have me confused with someone else. Or more likely you’re just confused. I have never complained about public nudity.

        But yes – I’m bothered by this Russian homophobia.

        • pmaraw says:

          oh you and I had it out when the montreal students were protesting, I am not the slightest bit confused about that and what you opinion was. I’m just happy you seemed to have turned over a new leaf

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            My objection was and is to the students’ unwillingness to pay (a fraction of) their fair share.

            Do you think wanting mostly well-off kids to pay for (a small part of) their education is comparable to state-sanctioned gay bashing?

  67. HabinBurlington says: with their list of 7 players to have breakout season this year. Includes our own Alex Galchenyuk.

  68. Bill says:

    @Rhino514: No. Beaulieu is superior to every D prospect we have. He’s got top two potential. He’s better than Tinordi by a mile, except in a fight. Or not, maybe, ha. He’s probably the Habs’ best prospect, period, and losing him would hurt a ton.

    • rhino514 says:

      Well, Tinordi looks like he´s going to be a good one, so if you say he´s better by a country mile that puts a smile on my face.
      i hope the organization can provide a healthy, nurturing environment for him and hopefully he can get away rom whatever negative influences are out there, be it his family or otherwise.

      • commandant says:

        Beaulieu has the type of talent, that if he meets his potential, would land just below PK Subban in our future depth charts IMO.

        (I would play them apart at ES to be a 1-2 punch with 1 of the two almost always on the ice at ES, and then together on the PP).

        However that requires him to max out his potential, something that is rare in prospects.

        Even if he hits 90% of it though, he’ll be a gem.

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    • neumann103 says:


      Yes. His skating is elite. His offensive instincts are elite.

      I saw him live in what I believe was his 3rd professional game ever vs a pretty good lockout era Marlies team. The difference between him and the next best skater on either team was huge. He was not yet 20 and just 3 games removed from Junior.

      He totally controlled play on the powerplay. Didn’t have much help to finish and the game was soon out of hand, but it was striking commanding stuff.

      As to his perceived defensive lapses, I thought initially he was running into the predictable scenario: he was so much better than his peers in junior that he could get away with risks or bad habits because he had the skills to recover. That gap closes a lot moving up.

      He improved massively over the course of the AHL season becoming a clear leader on that team. I don’t think he looked out of place in his NHL call up, and he was not exactly playing the role you would expect him to. His skill set is not going to be most apparent playing 3rd pairing minutes with Frankie Boullion.

      Tinordi has got a lot of attention because of size and the niche he apparently fills, but Beaulieu is not small. He is listed anywhere from 6’1″ to 6’3″ depending on source. I think he appears to be a good 6’2″ and is still filling out. And, while he obviously has not come up to the NHL to fight, he actually has more of a mean streak than Tinordi.

      I hope he can channel that into on ice activities. I have to say that the recently reported details of the assault incident are worse than I expected if they are true. But I would not be keen to throw that away out of concerns about character.

      In the last four years or so the only prospect the Habs have drafted who has more obvious talent than Beaulieu is Galchenyuk. And in terms of chances of being a contributor in the NHL, I think he again trails only AGally in SureThing-ness.

      I don’t think he is Tyler Seguin, and he is really just about the last current prospect you would want to give up on. If you did you would want a return like the Bruins got.

      “Et le but!”

  69. habs11s says:

    So AK Bars just beat HC Lev in a shoot out to advance to the KHL Prague Cup

    shootout goal scorers? Tim Stampleton and Chris Bourque


    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

    • Luke says:

      Where was MB when AK Bars was signing these guys?!?

      This is ridiculous…

      Plus, what’s with all of these Canadians fleeing to the KHL? I tell you, it is getting way too risky to draft Canadians with the lure of the big money in the KHL…

      • HabinBurlington says:

        It’s got to be the allure of Czech Beer! Love that stuff.

        • Luke says:

          I do enjoy a nice Pilsner.

          OK, If it’s for the Beer and not the rubles, then I forgive our Canadians fleeing to the KHL. However, taking the availibility of quality beer INTO account, I am even more frustrated with the Habs mis-management team. I’m offering to do some European scouting.
          Breweries and Beaches first…

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