The rich just got richer in the Eastern Division.
Columbus has dealt Rick Nash to the Rangers for Brandon Dubinsky, Artem Anisimov, Tim Erixon and a 2013 first-round draft choice.
It wasn’t the blockbuster some had expected.
Over the course of the last two seasons, the Rangers have added Marion Gaborik, Brad Richards and now Nash.
They still haven’t won another Cup.
No news on the P.K. front, but the Canadiens signed first-round pick Alex Galchenyuk to a three-year contract.
HIO LOVES this kid.
Gonna be a big star in blue-blanc-rouge.
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Our new headline should be “Doan to Visit La Belle Province.”
I definitely like all the intangibles with this guy. Mix in some production and he’s what we wanted and didn’t quite get with Gio. Just a tad larger, though.
If i remember correctly Doan was drafted just before the Habs took Terry Ryan. Doan was the player they wanted.
Correct. We should have settled for a young right winger for Mr. Doan’s Kamloops Blazers instead.
Yes….Iggy would have been nice.
I actually didn’t mind the pick at the time. Ryan was a tough kid with some decent skill. I wonder if he would have developed better elsewhere.
It seemed alright to me too, 50 goals and 200 PIM his draft year, you figured there was something there. I didn’t follow the draft that closely so I didn’t really have an opinion until five or six years later, from then on I’ve been in a state of righteous outrage over that blunder.
Flyers have money to spend. What now?
http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/07/24/predators-match-shea-weber-offer-sheet-flyers-fallout/
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Hmmmm. Do they need a center with a $7M cap hit?
It’ll always be Habs Inside/Out to me
Hah, I didn’t know that Doan was Carey’s cousin.
2nd cousin
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You’ve been shirking your HIO duty this summer if you haven’t read that a hundred times by now. That and the fact that Bobby Ryan is pretty good and would improve our team.
So Weber signs an offer sheet with Philadelphia, one specifically designed to get him out of Nashville, and now that Nashville has matched Weber and his agent are going to ask Nashville to add a no-trade clause to that contract?!
If I’m Poile I say go screw yourself, and trade him to the highest bidder in a year from now. Hopefully the highest bidder are the Islanders or the Blue Jackets.
He signed the offer sheet with full knowledge that Nashville could (and even stated they would) match. Yes, he signed the offer and kinda forced Poile’s hand, but he’s hardly the villain some are painting him.
Kooch7800,Thanks for that Moen-Weber tilt, great fight for Travis, good for him and Habs.
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It’s reported that Weber’s agent is asking for special conditions regarding a NTC with Nashville.
According to the CBA, Article 10.3, sub (b),
“such additional terms as may be agreed upon between the Restricted Free Agent and the Prior Club (being Nashville)”.
So even after Nashville jumps hoops to equal Philly’s offer, Nash and his agent are imposing extra conditions.
I wonder if that clause will be removed from the next CBA?
He’s asking for a NTC from Nashville, IE: Nashville could not trade him?
He essentially wants a Rick Nash or Dany Heatley clause…. the ability to dictate what teams he can be traded to.
i wouldn’t give it to him if I were Poile.
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Quite right. Shea Weber miscalculated. He put the Preds in a corner and tried to force the issue, tried to engineer a way to get a great contract and land in a desirable market. He rolled the dice, knowing there was a significant risk that Nashville would match, and that there might be this awkward renewal of vows.
If Mr. Weber and his agents had wanted to dictate these terms, all they had to do was play out the year and next summer test the free agent market, or, if they feared that UFA might not be in the cards for him with the new CBA, that he might have to wait out another couple of seasons, he could have worked cooperatively with the Preds, instead of putting a shotgun to their head.
So now the Predators have him under contract for fourteen years, they don’t need to sweeten the deal or add throw-ins or restrict their own options in any way. Shea Weber didn’t exactly show a lot of loyalty to them, nor did Ryan Suter, so they shouldn’t bend over backward to get these guys to ‘like’ them. In any case, that crazy frontloading of the contract should serve as a de facto no trade clause for another five years or so.
Teams usually try to divorce the actual contract negotiations from the hockey operations side, so that the business side doesn’t bleed into the hockey side. This will be difficult if not impossible in this case. So now Barry Trotz has to take over from David Poile and go into overdrive to make sure Mr. Weber’s in the right frame of mind when he attends camp, but aside from that the Preds’ job is done.
As Bugs Bunny once said to the Martian: “You are hardly in a position to enforce your wishes.”
The favour that the Flyers did for the Predators is that they set the number it would take to get a signature on a contract. Now the Preds have that signature. The contract is signed, they don’t need to add anything to it.
One of the cool things about the offer sheet is that it acts like a shotgun clause and ends the messing around. There’s a take it or leave it function to it. Once the player signs, he’s committed to playing for one of two teams at the price he agreed to. A further cool thing is that things like NMC’s and NTC’s and other non-monetary clauses aren’t transferable to the current team if it matches. So the Predators get Shea Weber with no strings attached.
Whether the Predators would be wise to acquiesce to his demands now is a good question. My gut feeling right now would be to tell him to gear up and just play hockey, but you don’t want an unhappy captain or superstar. I’d tell his agent let’s take a year or at least a few months to cool off, then quietly allow him in the future to submit a small list of teams he doesn’t want to play for. Heck, David Poile could just go ahead and fill it in for him, tell him “You’re not going to be traded to the Islanders, the Coyotes, the Oilers, the Leafs, and the Canadiens. Do you want one or two more?”
Har har har! And that’s a BIG FU to Holmgren. I love it. Next time, maybe the dummy will negotiate. Har har har!
What happens to Weber’s contract if the Predators decide to trade him in, say, four years? They owe him $13 million now and $13 million on July 1 of each of the next three years. His salary apart from those bonuses is only $1 million per year. If he is traded, do the Predators recoup any of the bonus money? If not, I guess he won’t be traded.
He’s a Pred for life- now their management team can get back to the business of building the team around Weber, Rinne, and all the good D they have as well. Players like Klein.
And that’s how you protect your assets. And tell Weber’s agent to shove it where the sun don’t shine.
Great Tilt between Moen vs Weber…seemed fitting with the Weber news today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQaE0TuXCXI&feature=related
That was a heckuva punch from Moen, even with his jersey over his head.
Yeah…I was impressed
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Way to funny… Cheer up brothers and sisters.. we could be them!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dca_pS9bQE0
That guy’s second toe is way longer than his big toe, that is weird.
Another in a long line of revealing profiles of megalomaniac James Dolan, owner of MSG, the Knicks, and the Rangers as an afterthought.
For those of you who think the players ‘go too far’ and shouldn’t mind ‘taking a little less’, this is the guy who this would benefit if the NHLPA caved in on the outrageous owner demands. Not the fans who will see lower ticket prices, or fewer ads on their game broadcast, or a guarantee that there will never be sponsors on NHL jerseys. No. James Dolan will use that money to helicopter his co-opted bandmates to rehearsal.
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/32425/sports-guy-vault-the-james-dolan-theory
I could not disagree more.
Some people are hugely successful in life. I applaud their success.
Ask the PLAYERS on his teams if they like getting paid huge money.
The players love playing for rich owners. The richer the better.
ed, first read the article and then tell me about “hugely successful in life.”
Here a segment:
“Legacy kids can succeed or fail as sports owners like anyone else, but one thing sets them apart: They inherited their opportunity with, in some case, no real credentials at all. Let’s say I retired in 20 years and turned this column over to my son, but he couldn’t write and didn’t know anything about sports. You would think this was weird. You would make fun of him. You would say, “Why the hell would ESPN employ Simmons’s son, isn’t this the strangest thing ever?” In the business world, it’s par for the course. It happens all the time. As the old saying goes, James Dolan was born on third base and thought he hit a triple.”
I have no problem with inheritance, winning a lottery, or building wealth from scratch.
how are people going to judge Obama’s kids for example?
I don’t judge people by the amount of money they have.
How much does the man give to charity, if he is wealthy?
That, to me, is a more relevant way to judge a wealthy man.
how are people going to judge Obama’s kids for example?
Hopefully, if they will be judged by what they accomplish, observed through the prism of the incredible privileges that are bestowed on them by having two bright uber-successful people as their loving parents, and the material advantages they enjoy.
So if they turn out like Chelsea Clinton, bravo. The Bush twins, meh. Paris Hilton or Paulina Gretzky, (facepalm).
And if you read the article on James Dolan, you’ll agree with me that he deserves a boot to the head. Read the article ed. Don’t dismiss the points Bill Simmons makes because you and I habitually disagree on the current CBA negotiations.
I don’t judge people by the amount of money they have.
Neither does Bill Simmons in the article I linked to. He makes a case that privileged kids can take three broad directions in life. Again, read the article. The point isn’t that James Dolan has too much money, it’s that he’s a buffoon who tortures Knicks and Rangers fans through his enthusiastic incompetence, yet still profits from it.
I try to judge people on their behaviours as well. In the case of Geoff Molson, I was modestly optimistic when he was announced as the principal in a group of investors to purchase the Canadiens from George Gillett, who I always feared was a carpetbagger but ended up being a good owner. The Molson family has been an enlightened owner of the Canadiens in the past, especially when compared to other Original Six owners (source: “Net Worth”). I then was pleasantly impressed by an interview I saw with him on RDS. He hasn’t stopped impressing me since then. I don’t hate him for being marginally more well-off than I am. He seems to be a decent guy who has used the advantages he was provided with quite well.
On the other hand ed, do you admire any amoral robber baron who is lionized as a champion of free industry just because he is wealthy?
How much does the man give to charity, if he is wealthy?
That is the red herring of the current debate on wealth accumulation, that and the ‘job creator’ myth.
Look, if billionaires want to host vernissages and cocktail parties at the opera, and have wings of children’s hospitals named after them, that’s fine with me. Just as long as they pay a reasonable amount of taxes first. It would be better if they didn’t devastate whole communities in a rapacious quest for profit, and then dole out a meager fraction to build a park or something.
So yeah, pay your friggin’ taxes, don’t stockpile banknotes in Bermuda or Switzerland secret accounts, and then after that, I’ll think you’re a champ if you give still more to charity.
That, to me, is a more relevant way to judge a wealthy man.
No, that’s actually a completely irrelevant way of judging a wealthy man, seeing as you depart on a tangent at right angle to the subject at hand in the linked article which you failed to read, which is that James Dolan is a buffoon who runs the teams he owns like a fool, but still rakes in mountains of cash, and now wants to lock out the players to earn still more, instead of arriving at a better revenue sharing model whereby everyone could prosper.
He’s going to deprive me of hockey so that he can buy more ivory backscratchers and guitar picks for his atrocious band. That’s why I judge him harshly.
Inheritance is the status quo, so most don’t have a problem with it. Interestly though, Warren Buffett, among the richest in the world, does not believe in inheritance. He is giving his fortune to charity rather than leave it to his family. His grand-daughter had to work as a nanny for a while. He is more than happy to pay for their education, but that’s it. I wonder how society would change if all inheritances worked this way?
ed, if you want to be a shill for megalomaniac sports team orders, go nuts buddy.
I actually agree that a crazy rich guy can be a good owner (eg better than a pension fund) because he actually wants to win and will likely spend for that ego gratification.
Just don’t pretend that somehow something needs to change about the economics of the game to make rich owners richer.
Don’t pretend that it is the greedy players who get too much money. They are who we pay to see. Yes it is too much, but cutting their pay will not make the game better or tickets cheaper but just put money in owners’ pockets.
And while many owners may have been great entrepreneurial successes in life to be in a position to afford to buy a team, the NHL is a closed oligopoly that above all else protects the expansion of franchise value. It is not some type of open capitalist competition where anyone can start their own team and compete. The Ayn Rand BS just don’t apply.
Oh yes, but the owners buy the uniforms….
“Et le but!”
“I actually agree that a crazy rich guy can be a good owner.”
yes. that is the only point I keep making.
No it is not ed. That is completely disingenuous.
If that were the only point you were making I would not disagree I don’t think either of us believes that crazy rich guys necessarily make better owners, just that their wealth and ego can motivate them to do things that may not be great bottom line business decisions but could be good for fans.
Dolan is certainly not among that crowd. He is not good. He did not ear his wealth, he inherited it. I have no problem with someone inheriting wealth, it just doesn’t mean that they earned it.
As to the “only” point you are trying to make
I look at owners and respect them for who they are.
Like the many criminals? John Rigas, Boots Del Biaggio, John Spano, Henry Samueli just to name a few?
You keep spreading this meassage that owners deserve whatever they can squeeze out based on some misplaced bootlicking approach at the same time that you think that the players should just give the owenrs whatever they want, by divine right.
You have been making the argument. It is ludicrous and indefensible. At least own it.
“Et le but!”
Ed – you look at very wealthy people the way 13-year old girls look at Justin Bieber – although somewhat less critically.
Most NHL owners didn’t get rich by curing AIDS or inventing the iPhone.
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I look at owners and respect them for who they are.
I left the jealousy of Socialism back in university.
Last 3 years Doan has averaged 20 goals and 55 points. I like him, but I wouldn’t commit big dollars long term considering his age and the fact that he’d be a 35+ contract.
Doan meeting in Montreal. According to TSN he’s cousins with Price. He’s the kind of guy we need and given his age, we wouldn’t need a long term contract. 230lbs of grit. Do it!
Rumours were saying he was offered 30 millions over 4 years by an Eastern team, how do you feel about a 7.5million cap hit?
Swop him out for Gomez….DO IT
just saying he is a major upgrade but yes, that kind of dough is crazy
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I know he’s got intangibles and all, but the guy has the same average ppg as Plekanec. It’s tough to reconcile that he’s worth 2.5 millions more on a long term 35+ deal.
I know and I agree. He would really help this team in the East though. he hits like a mack truck
Might be worth the cap hit just so he’s not playing for another Eastern team…
Plekanec > Doan
Way better.
Even up. Let alone at two thirds the price. Let alone at 6 years younger and on a contract that would not b a millstone in two years.
I like Doan, and at $4M a year for two years would take him in a heartbeat. But if the bar is set at $30M for 4 years, step slooowwwwly back from the crazy person…
“Et le but!”
Why is the headline about Nash being a Ranger?
We signed Galchenyuk.
I know it was never in doubt, but it is way more important than Nash being traded to the Blue shirts.
Let’s focus on acquiring our own A1 player.
I agree
But, i guess other teams are more important?
Nashville just screwed the pooch. Dummies.
It’s good for the teams in the East though, gotta appreciate that.
I hope the Flyers don’t decide to throw out an offer to PK now that Nashville matched
Montreal has revenue and cap space, we can match any realistic offer for PK.
If they want to blow their brains out and go for 4 first rounders, I’d take that for PK.
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Not accepting 4 late first rounders for one of the top 2 D in the NHL is dumb?
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PK is my favorite player on the team but I don’t see him at the same level as Weber (yet) I doubt the Flyers put in an offer sheet on PK losing all those picks for Weber I can see but not for PK.
HH wants all teams to be in perpetual tank mode, save for certain ones.
Don’t forget that whatever contract Doan signs is 35+ meaning his cap hit stays with the team no matter where he is playing i.e. he can’t be buried anywhere if he fades with age.
I wonder if it’s true about the rumors in twitter Shane Doan met with habs today! Any source to that?
TSN has an article up that they have been in discussion and they are meeting next week. Don’t get too excited though. He has already met with Philly and the rangers and is also in talks with Van city
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I’d be surprised if Ranger are able to get Doan on top of Nash deal. I don’t think they have anymore space for him now.
edit: Philly is more likely one to be a in serious hunt for him
they actually have sigificant cap space currently….13 mill
http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=22
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How the heck were they able to get Taylor Pyatt for 1.5mn? They are more likely to chase a defensemen though. Look at their defense.
If they get Doan we are in trouble
When you think about it, they don’t have that much space left, especially if they plan on keeping their UFAs and RFAs.
I think there’s 4 total. Delzotto is in there, and there’s no way they’re letting him go. He was part of the no-trade pact to Columbus.
So you can be sure he’ll be making substantially more.
I would think the most likely fit for Doan is Philly. They just got burned on the Weber deal. And they can certainly afford him.
But it would be sweet to see him here. That’s for certain.
I don’t think it’s impossible for Montreal to land Shane. Think of it for a second. Montreal is not that bad of a place to play in. If MB is able to sell him the idea that we are a pretty good team and we will only gonna get better next year and a year after, he could come hear to play. And if it’s a maximum of 3 years, I say why not.
Webver just lost a BIG poker game. and will vanish into Tennessee, as a player we once heard of but rarely see.
It’s tough to say that he ‘lost’ considering the kind of money that’s involved!
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I’m wondering if he’s fine with it. With the offer sheet, he get’s a ridiculous UFA type deal that Nashville never would have offered him. If he’s at all happy there, he’s happier now.
Doan to come visit Canadiens management:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=401361
I think it is more of a courtesy call.
A lot of effort for courtesy.
If anything, it’s to create a larger market for himself, as opposed to a courtesy call. He doesn’t owe the Habs a thing.
With that said, he shouldn’t need to create a market for himself with the rumours of some of the big offers he’s received floating around.
cool. I would love to have him over the rangers or philly
I concur with you.
C’mon MB, do this!
I think it will depend more on family situation more than anything. He wants to play with a chance to win, stable organization and making sure his family is there and happy.
I see him as a better fit with the nucks but who knows
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Tell Carey to “get off his high horse”, “it’s not his first rodeo”, or whatever it takes to come to Montreal to show his cuz the beautiful city of Montreal.
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Interesting, but he also met the Flyers, and Rangers and will probably meet others too.
There were rumours of an Eastern team offering him 30 millions over 4 years, which seems like overpaying to me.
Rangers have the cap space…the Pens would be all over it as well.
I am thinking the Rangers, Flyers, Canadiens and Nucks are the ones pushing the hardest for his services
Those are not facts they are my guesses
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Wouldn’t we have way too many RW’s if we got Doan? It is wishful thinking but we still are screwed on the left side
The Habs might be going after Doan pretty hard. Do you guys remember when he was drafted 7th overall one spot before the Habs picked Terry Ryan
? I doubt he’ll sign here just because of his cousin but if we throw a short term deal with big money I’d be happy. Always been a Doan fan.
People maybe thinking Subban could be a target of the Flyers with an offer sheet but another possibly for Philly may be The Caps John Carlson who when Subban & Carlson sign will probably have very similar contracts……
I think Weber was discussed as a trade with Philly and other teams for quite a time. The humming and hawing led to an offer sheet.
I love the comment from Poile about teams with deep pockets. I guess the cozy trade relationship with the Flyers is over for the Preds.
I doubt he’s panicking.
Gary Bettman will be writing cheques to the Preds, just as he has for the Yotes.
yes I think you are right, the trade front between these two is gone!
From the comments at Broad Street Hockey (a Flyers HIO I guess):
http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/131472-3/Wave-denied-nope.gif
Seeing into the future, Weber will become the next owner of the Preds, just as Mario became the Pens’ owner.
Not out of the realm of possibility at all.
YES! Atta boy Poile! Good move by Nashville – Now Bergevin lock up Subban before Flyers pull more tactics out of their asses.
why is it that every big team seems to be able to land a big name free agent except for the habs?
I know right?
wish we could land a few 30-35 goal scorers to play on the first line. Someone with some leadership and who is key in the playoffs.
I mean the Habs have never done that…
Cole was not a big name though.
Solid, but not in the category of a Shea Weber no.
That is the question of the day. We have money and prestige.
How much do we try?
Right now the Habs are hamstrung by deals left over from Gainey and Gauthier (Gomez, Kaberle and to a lesser extent Gionta and Markov). Without a couple of those contracts the Habs have $ to spend.
It’s the 2nd richest team in hockey. Send the guys to Hamilton already, and sign a superstar. The Rangers can send down Redden, and sign Gaborik. Then add Nash … c’mon. We are the 2nd richest team in hockey. Why can’t we do these things?
Idiot.
Did you call me an idiot?
That’s a thoughtful addition to the conversation. Thanks for that!
Yep
Thanks for enlightening us all. I can only imagine you are wise beyond your years. Thank you o wise one!
Nice to hide behind a computer screen and call people names, you are so cool!
Why is it that you’ve never owned a dog in your life but this is your 10th HIO profile with a dog as its avatar?
me?
With the news of Nashville matching for Weber, does that make Subban Holmgren’s next target?
Weber and Subban are not really comparable, so no reason to to think the Philthy Flies would target Subban.
He is a dynamic 1st line defenceman. Sounds exactly like what Philly needs! The only thing we have going for us is financial wherewithal to easily match.
They had to retain Weber, so Rinne’s deal would not look that bad.
Not to put him on the same level, but I hope PK signs today, the Flyers have a lot of cash burning a hole in their pocket.
Good Point! They desperately need some defence too!
P.K. would have to accept an offer sheet from Philly. I think he likes it here as there hasn’t been any rumours of him signing offer sheets to date. I also really doubt that philly would be going with Weber money to sign P.K just yet.
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Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”
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Oh, I don’t think they would offer a Weber deal, but they could offer one heck of a lot more than the Habs were expecting to pay.
Money talks … liking won’t have much to do with it, if the money is right.
Preds match Weber’s offer sheet.
Yay!
HA HA.
Weber f***ked.
Ed Snider f***ked.
Love it.
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Weber still gets his money and contract.. so he’s ok.
I dont know who end sup the loser in all this… maybe Nashville?
B-A-N-K-R-U-P-C-T-Y?
But no cup for you Shea!
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yeah the 14 year term pretty much solidifies him not getting a cup unless there is some big trade. With him being so front loaded he isn’t going ANYWHERE
His bonus structure and term which was to put Nashville out will come back to bite him in the ass
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Weber might be borked, but he’s still going to bank all that cash on a guaranteed deal.
It appears that Weber has no no-trade clause in his contract. Maybe Nashville will turn around and deal him to the Islanders, screwing both Philly and Weber even harder. lulz
He can’t be traded for 12 months, after a quarter of his contract is paid and he actually becomes cheaper.
What are the odds on Holmgren giving anything Anaheim wants for Bobby Ryan at this point??? He has to right, they have gone o-fer the summer.
They have some big holes on the back end though…Pronger not starting at the beg of season and Carle
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He is going to want to make a big splash badly, and not lose out on everyone. I think he will be aggressive after defencemen too.
The music is about to stop, and most of the chairs (big fish) are taken. Holmgren wants a seat too.
MB better sign PK today! (like Rugger said)
Preds matched.
http://predators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=638547
That is awesome. Good for them
good until their cheques start bouncing!
They will be fine. I just really don’t like Philly
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68 million the first 5 years to one player for a franchise that is worth 160 million. Yikes, I hope so. Still Yikes!
Hey….now if they go bankrupt at least he isn’t in Philly….
Good for teams in the East, well except the Flyers.
Yes, definitely!
It’s actually not an unreasonable offer either, except the upfront money is a killer for such a small market team.
A lockout would be terrible for them I think.
Yeah considering they bring in 25 million a year in ticket revenue, and will owe one player 26 million by next July 1st regardless of whether there is a lock out or not. I bet this is one team that will be pushing hard for labor peace.
Good for them.
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WOW NASHVILLE MATCHED ON WEBER!!!
Commandant,
With all due respect, I do not agree with your analysis regarding Nash, and this is the second major player in which this has happened, the other being jordan staal.
you list the following “linemates” for Nash while he has played in Columbus as :
Ray Whitney (still going strong today)
David Vyborny
Nikolai Zherdev
Geoff Sanderson (still over 65 pts when Nash arrived)
Andrew Cassels (still over 65 pts when Nash arrived)
Sergei Fedorov
RJ Umberger
Kristian Huselius
Jeff Carter
Derrick Brassard
Mike Peca
Antoine Vermette
Please tell me which one of these is a number #1 center on your team? Outside of Carter who barely played last season, there is not a #1 center in the whole group.
Nash has managed to score 30 or more goals 7 of the last 8 seasons in his career except one when he scored 27.
And he never played with a legit #1 center. Never.
Nash is a winger.
You know very well because you are a very knowledgeable hockey guy that a winger is at the mercy of the centers with whom he plays.
Yet Nash has overcome a huge obstacle and still become one of the most prolific goal scorers in the game.
over rated??
No chance.
Ask the experts what they think of Nash. Ask the GM’s of the NHL what they think of Nash. Ask everyone in hockey.
I went through this with Jordan Staal for 2 years on this site.
Staal is over rated, Staal is nothing special.
I don’t why some players are just overlooked by you guys but you need to look around at the hockey gurus who are in total disagreement with every word you guys say about Nash and Staal.
Did you hear how Staal was described during the draft when he was traded?/
By Bob Mckenzie, and everyone else who has been following his career.
Any way, I don’t doubt your hockey knowledge.
You are a very valuable poster here and I appreciate your input.
just totally and completely disagree about those two great players.
Jordan Staal is a solid second line centre, Rick Nash is a above average, first line winger, and single spacing is just fine.
jordan staal is one of the great young players in the game, one of the best 2 way centers and certainly will be a top player in the NHL for at least the next 10 years
rick nash is an elite goal scorer, one of the best scorers in the last 7 or 8 years in all of hockey, and capable of 40+ goals if he gets to play with a true #1 center
that’s what the experts say.
until we become experts I think we should look long and hard at those who have spent the last 20, 30 years in and around the NHL game
Yeah Eddie, whassup with the whole double-trible-im-too-sexy-for-this-space-line-spacing? Chill on the return botton.
Nash aint nô superstar – hé can carry himself, but not the team. In a cap va goal, id pick Coal over Nash any day. Id use the cap to add Doan or Ryan if possible…
Okay quiz time again, Who Am I (copied from a Hockey blogger, Shawn Gates).
1. I am the only of my countrymen to reach this benchmark in a single NHL season.
2. I am one of the few to accomplish this hockey “Triple Crown”.
(Stanley Cup, Olympic Gold, World Championship)
3. I played for a single NHL team during my career.
4. I hold two single season scoring records.
5. I am a four-time winner of a trophy bearing my name.
Hakan Loob
It’s not Lady Byng.
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I was going to say Lidstrom, but “a trophy bearing my name”….hmmmm.
I guess I’ll say the Rocket.
I don’t know if Rocket ever won a Olympic gold but its possible I suppose. I hate trivia
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I don’t think he ever participated in the Olympics either, but I can’t think of, or find anyone else who fits the bill.
I went through the trophy listing, and ….nope. Nobody.
Unless it’s a trophy which has changed names.
And no one player has ever done it in one year.
So Burley is just trying to tick me off!!!!!
AND IT’S WORKING!!!!
He’s like that sometimes you know.
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So f…… What who won Olympic hockey gold!? Never been a priority for top NHL’ers – why would it!?
I’d give the answer, but I’d feel wrong considering I used Google to figure it out…
Well, I’m trying to Google it, and all I can find is that Kronwall, Samuelsson and Zetterberg needed the least amount of time to accomplish the feat, and all three did it for the Sweedes, and it took 2 years. So what am I missing?
OK I GIVE UP!!!
I looked up the 4th condition on Google and it was the first result
Going for Art Ross.
I looked up all the NHL trophies and it isn’t any of them. (The Richard Trophy was created long after the Rocket had retired.)
No NHL Trophy was ever won by the guy who it was named after.
So it’s another trophy.
Of course that considerably widens the possibilities.
For all we know there’s a Evgeny Artyukhin Trophy for best scorer of Lokomotiv Yaroslavl.
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Did you always have the name there or added it later
Harrisson re-ups in Carolina for 3 years at 1.5 per, another D off the market.
And another view on the value of Dubinsky, Asinimov and Erixon.
http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2012/07/24/the-perception-of-dubinsky-anisimov-and-erixon-has-apparently-taken-a-nosedive/
I think the Habs should bring AK back for a 3rd line role who could fill in on the 2nd (roster space notwithstanding). I’m hearing a lot of how AK is inconsistent but I would argue that any 20-25 goal scorer by nature is inconsistent over an 82 game schedule. Also keeping in mind that goal scorers usually score in bunches. What he brings however is physical play, and he can hold his own on defensive assignments. He also played very well on a line with Moen and Eller last year.
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Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”
“It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien
We have plenty of 3rd line players. We need another 30 goal scorer, not a underacheiving 3rd liner who won’t get 15 goals with 3rd line minutes.
I think we got the top 2 lines set, but Bourque is a question mark.
Maxpac, DD, Cole
Gio, Pleks, Bourque
Eller, Gomez, Armstrong
Moen, White, Prust
So we got to look at an upgrade before the trade deadline based on how the players are performing.
Right now the only moves we should be making is to get a 30 or more goal scorer and make an upgrade.
Getting a 30 goal scorer now via trade is suicide for the Habs in terms of giving up future prospects and picks. Switch out Gomez to Hamilton and Make Eller 3rd line center, Bring Moen up to 3rd line and Armstrong to 4th. Now you have 3 balanced scoring lines.
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Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”
“It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien
Considering that the Habs had 2 30+ goal scorer and no 20 goals scorer, I think the Habs need a bunch of 20 goals scorer.
It certainly makes sense to give it a shot for another year, at a low salary. Considering all the demands for another scorer everyone’s made, it wouldn’t be a bad decision to bring in Kostitsyn and(assuming MT is reasonable) put him back together with Moen and Eller, and keep them together if they succeed. You’d actually have some good depth in scoring that way.
Assuming our players all overachieve, or have excellent seasons, or whatever you want to call it, you’d have something like this:
30+: Cole, Patches, Gionta
~25: Bourque, Plekanec
~20: Kostitsyn, Eller, Desharnais
And then everyone else’s contributions. That could be a good offense.
I also liked him on Eller’s wing with Moen, but I’ll be surprised if we bring him back. I think he ends up in Pittsburgh for a bargain and lights it up on Sid’s wing. Then gets a big offer next year and underperforms.
If he goes to Pitts he’d probably be on Malkin’s wing.
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Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”
“It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien
I would totally bring him back. Consistent .5 ppg player who is big and can hit hit. Good chemistry with Eller. Could be had cheap AND short-term (so as not to block player development).
I’m sure some of you have seen this article on Canadiens.com, but this is a fun read on Patrick Roy and his superstitions during the 93′ cup run.
http://ourhistory.canadiens.com/article/Luck-Of-The-Draw
“I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza
Interesting that the 7th round drafted Kostitsyn has a contract in the NHL and brother Andrei the first round pick seems apparantly unwanted.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/nashville-signs-sergei-kostitsyn-to-2-year-6-million-deal/article4436241/
someone will sign AK. As a third line player he is decent but I am sure it is the money and term that are holding him back.
He is the type that only gets one and two year deals cause of his inconsitency
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The problem with AK isn’t his play. By that measure he is a competent NHLer. The incident in Phoenix will scare off a lot of teams, as it should.
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The KHL beckons for AK, where he can join his drinking buddy, Radulov.
AK had his chance to shine, it just didn’t pan out. Don’t bring him back.
CH = Les Glorieux!!!
Wouldn’t be surprised to see the Penguins sign him (unless someone decides to overpay him). Despite the inconsistency, he has to be a better option than Dupuis and Sullivan on Sid’s line.
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This article is a couple days old, sorry if already linked, but a pretty interesting take on Snider in Philly from Larry Brooks of NY Post.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/snider_just_phil_of_it_1ozkjOJcUoVuvEZWlIosLJ
Did you know that Ed Snider’s Comcast makes a habit of hiring the relatives of influential politicians and municipal officials.
The louder they trumpet free enterprise the less – in reality – they are in favor.
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Meaning ther are “free” to hire whoever they want!
Their definition of free enterprise isn’t the same as us it would seem!
Markov to Subban, he scores!