Nash to the Rangers

Nash
The rich just got richer in the Eastern Division.
Columbus has dealt Rick Nash to the Rangers for Brandon Dubinsky, Artem Anisimov, Tim Erixon and a 2013 first-round draft choice.

It wasn’t the blockbuster some had expected.

Over the course of the last two seasons, the Rangers have added Marion Gaborik, Brad Richards and now Nash.

They still haven’t won another Cup.

No news on the P.K. front, but the Canadiens signed first-round pick Alex Galchenyuk to a three-year contract.

HIO LOVES this kid.

Gonna be a big star in blue-blanc-rouge.

576 Comments

  1. Kooch7800 says:

    I do think for sure we will have one of the best penalty killing teams again this year with having Armstrong, Brandon Prust,Petteri Nokelainen, Travis Moen, and Rene Bourque there really should have to put less emphasis on Tomas Plekanec for PK time. That is great news

    • Mattyleg says:

      Yeah! Imagine how well he’ll play if he’s only concentrating on his normal shift and the PP?

      Awesome.

      Then again, his SH goal specialization would take a hit…

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Kooch7800 says:

        He is awesome at that I will agree and i thought he looked good with Bourque on the PK. I just think he has more offense to give and I think MB notices that he was overused last year so he has brought in help.

    • Malreg says:

      I don’t understand the popularity of wanting to cut down Plekanec’s short-handed time.

      When you have one of the best PK forwards in the league on your team, who has said before that he loves playing on the PK, you take advantage of it.

      If it means he misses maybe a few shifts per game at 5 on 5, then I’m fine with that.

      I’m sure he would pick up more points if he also didn’t play against the other team’s top-line every night, but we’re not going to stop doing that either.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        Pleks looked burnt out early last season cause he was on the Number 1 PK unit constantly and was also counted on offensively. It would be nice to have him a little fresher and not have to start every bloody pk. 82 games is a long season. I am not saying take him off completely just use him less for it and let him focus at the other end of the rink. All of the additions are good penalty killers and will help ease with this

    • JUST ME says:

      Although this is a positive outlook WE NEED GOALS! I would give up a bit of our succes on the P.K. for more results on the power play. A more balanced team is necessary. I tend to think we put to much emphasys on those statistics. The Kings had a sterile power play but managed to win it all.

  2. Dr.Rex says:

    Tuesday random thoughts:
    1) IF Evander Kane is being offered 4.5m for six years at age 20 then you have to think Subban is after a very similar offer. From someone who watches both teams I can say that Subban is worth more at this point. However the JEts have no choice but to keep Kane at all costs.
    2) WHenever I am feeling blue I think of the internet created proposal of P Kane/Hjalmarsson for Pleks/Subban. What a joke…..That ripoff for the habs is bordering Pierre Turgeon/COrson, Baron territory.
    3) A coworker told me the Washington nats are in first place. I laughed but then I checked and its true……..IS this the twilight zone? My gf got me a Harper Nats jersey two weeks ago but I just put it in the closet cause I figured they are in last place and never heard of this Harper. Still lots of time to choke. But I think there are alot of spiritual Expos fans left who will be brought back from the dead if they make the playoffs. Just to put some closure on teh story that didnt end right.
    4) LEts all take a chill pill on the Shane Doan wishes. First off he is delusional like others that Rangers or FLyers might actually win a cup soon. Second the money is just ridiculous. Also in three years from now who is the world would take him off our hands.

    • Dr.Rex says:

      When I say the story that didnt end right I mean the 1994 Expos.

      Fassero, K HIll, P Martinez, Rueter, B Henry.
      Mel Rojas, John Wettleland

      Cant beat that pitching staff.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Just as I had zero interest in the Yotes after they moved out of Wpg., I found no reason to root for the Nats when they arrived in Washington from Montreal. I do enjoy watching them currently with Strasburg and Harper. Do miss the Expos a great deal though. Trying to be a Jay fan, but that is very very difficult.

      • CharlieHodgeFan says:

        For the longest time, I followed the old expos players and rooted for whichever team they played on. Now, it’s been too long and there are no fan loyalties left. The Nationals are just another team, nothing to do with Montreal. And it is hard to support the Jays, even if they now play more interesting ball instead of just trying to bash homeruns.

  3. HabinBurlington says:

    So apparantly Shane Doan is not getting the assurances from the Coyotes regarding new owner he was hoping for. Given how much he evidently likes the franchise, any chance he would first sign a contract with Phoenix and get traded? It would be like they do in the NBA with sign and trade deals. I don’t expect this to happen, but would be interesting if after deciding which team he chooses to go to if he then helped orchestrate such a move.

    • Mattyleg says:

      That would be pretty interesting, alright.
      The worry would be deciding on the right price for Doan that other teams would be willing to take.
      Has to be good for Doan, but can’t be too much to scare away prospective buyers.

      It’s a dangerous game!

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Agree Matty, I am not thinking it would be a large amount, more like a 2nd round pick perhaps, kind of like a going away good bye present from Doan to Phoenix. As I said, I highly doubt this happens, but given how much he talks of liking Phoenix it got me to wondering.

  4. Chris says:

    Just a jog back in time…

    Heading into the 2011-12 season, here are some of the predictions of a couple of teams:

    Anaheim Mighty Ducks

    The Hockey News – 6th in Western Conference
    Scott Cullen (TSN) – Could challenge San Jose for Pacific Division title
    The Hockey Writers – 6th in Western Conference
    Puck Daddy – 8th in Western Conference

    Washington Capitals

    The Hockey News – 1st in Eastern Conference
    Scott Cullen (TSN) – Should contend for Stanley Cup
    The Hockey Writers – 1st in Eastern Conference
    Puck Daddy – 1st in Eastern Conference

    So there’s two teams that struggled all season long. Anaheim did not in fact make the playoffs, never making up for a disastrous start to their season and a season-long funk by supposed superstar centre Ryan Getzlaf. Washington had to fight tooth and nail all season to get into the playoffs, bowing out in the second (edited thanks to Cal) round.

    And then you can throw last year’s “Buzz Pick”, the Buffalo Sabres. 6 of the 8 ESPN “experts” picked Buffalo to win the Northeast Division, and that was a pretty common pick going into the season after they added Leino, Ehrhoff, and Regehr. Many had the Sabres contending for the Eastern Conference crown and going to the Stanley Cup finals. But then the season happened, and the Sabres put forth an abysmal effort.

    Some of the teams in the East have undoubtedly improved this summer. But I can make a couple of predictions with a relative amount of certainty: at least one “lock” to be a dominant team in each conference will struggle, and at least one supposed bottom-feeder will rise to contention.

    How many people had New Jersey, with 800 year old Martin Brodeur and a no-name defence corps, contending with Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and New York for the Atlantic Division crown? How many people foresaw St. Louis becoming the best defensive team in the NHL, shaving 0.89 goals against off their average of last season on their way to posting the best defensive record in over fifteen years.

    Many people had Los Angeles contending for the Stanley Cup, which they ultimately won. I don’t think many people saw them having to go on a HUGE run just to sneak into the 8th playoff spot to get a chance at that Stanley Cup, though.

    If I had to make a prediction, I would guess that Montreal probably won’t contend this coming season. A whole lot of things would have to go fantastically right, on paper. But instead of spending my whole summer bummed out about that prediction, I’m going to just wait for the season to unfold and hopefully be pleasantly surprised. :)

    • Cal says:

      Washington beat the Bruins in the first round. I was very happy to see that.
      I am hopeful that Montreal will be dissed (they already are by many here) and forgotten and finish 6th and go the Cup Finals. It’s Summer; the time to be optimistic.

    • savethepuck says:

      Your assessment is 100% correct. If it was so easy to predict sports, there wouldn’t be a Neon City in the desert in Nevada. “On paper” doesn’t win hockey games or sports titles for that matter. There is no such thing as a “lock” in sports.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

      • Cal says:

        Well, there is the “left wing lock” and the “right wing lock” in hockey, but you are correct. The games have to be played for real and not on NHL13.

  5. HammerHab says:

    hoping someone can answer this….if a player *cough*Gomez*cough* is in the pressbox does that count againt the cap?

  6. Timo says:

    Is anyone feeling better about Therrien hiring? Not me.

    • HammerHab says:

      I am actually. After seeing the Penguins record before he arrived and the full year after he arrived I am a bit more optimistic. Granted we don’t have the talent that Pens team did, but he does seem to get the most out of his players.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Yes, but look at the Pens record before and after he was fired.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • HammerHab says:

          I don’t see Therrien as the guy that will get us a Cup, rather as the guy who will get us that much closer. Then someone else will come in and hopefully take us to the promised land. Joel Quenneville perhaps?

    • Cal says:

      C’mon, Timo. You wouldn’t be happy if the Habs went 82-0-0 and never allowed a goal. You still wouldn’t be happy if they then went 16-0 in the playoffs. You, Timo, have a “happiness defficiency.”

    • citizenSanto says:

      Don’t feel bad Timo. Anytime you do, just remember to Listen (shhhh) to what the flower people say

      d(-_-)b

      “we love you” – Derek Smalls

  7. HabFanSince72 says:

    Excellent article on the NHL contract talks by the great Charlie Pierce:

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8191773/charlie-pierce-sports-management


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  8. HabsWinn-ipeg says:

    The problem with Gomez is not just salary. Last year was a circus with him not scoring and the fans reaction – the organization doesn’t need to go through that again. It’s not fair to him or the rest of the team to have him around not producing anything. If he doesn’t show anything in training camp/exhibition they can’t keep him around with the team – thus Hamilton is a better place for him.

    In addition, we may not need his salary to start the season, but it could come in handy during the year if there are injuries. If he doesn’t start the season with the Habs they have the entirety of his cap hit available to them.

  9. NL Hab says:

    How much is Galchenyuk’s contract worth?

    Et La But

  10. Max_a_million says:

    What purpose does it serve to move Gomez to Hamilton if you don’t have any need of the money in his contract for the salary cap. I think people don’t get this.

    Who are we going to spend that money on at this point?

    They are not going to put him in the minors just to do it. That hurts your reputation as an employer for no benefit at all. Now if you have someone to spend money on you say ‘we had to send Gomez to Hamilton, we could spend his cap space on Shane Doan’. Gomez is a liked teammate, sending him down when you don’t have to has no benefit, and won’t be done.

    If you want him sent down, then you need to accompany that with someone to spend that money on.

    • shiram says:

      The roster spot that goes to a younger player that needs the ice time to continue developping his skills. Unless you are talking about having Gomez as the 13th forward, not actually playing the game.

    • NL Hab says:

      100% agree. I really don’t like Gomez, but it is not proving anything sending him to Hamilton unless we are trying to sign another player where his cap hit will put us over. However, if Gallagher or another young prospect gets off to a great season in Hamilton, then this changes things if Gomez is taking up a roster spot in Montreal. But as of this point right now, I agree with you.

      Et La But

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      How dare MTL even think of putting Gomez at center on one of the top 3 lines and/or use him on the PP when people like Eller deserve and have earned the time. He’s also garbage on the wing so where is the fit?

      I’m sick of trying to get Gomez going. Let’s try and develop guys who matter to this team. Gomez I really thought would be half-decent last year and came out even worse than the yr before. Good guy, bad work ethic and has lost everything he had on the ice but gaining the zone.

      Call him up if we have terrible injuries.

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      • Cal says:

        Gomez was pretty much injured all last season. New management team and new coaches = a clean slate. If he doesn’t ahow it early and often, Hamilton or another AHL club may be the destination for him. Until then, it’s a wait and see thing.

      • Malreg says:

        If he gets sent down, he will have to go through re-entry waivers.

        So, if he gets sent down, he’s staying there for the year.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Why take out the garbage on Monday when the garbage truck is also coming by next Thursday?

      Because in the mean time it will stink up the place.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  11. ProHabs says:

    Gomez just announced that he will buy a condo in the Tour de Canadien for every goal he scores this year.

  12. shiram says:

    5 questions.
    1. if Gomez is on the Canadiens for the season, where does he play? Also any special teams time?
    2. how do you feel about getting Cédric Desjardins back, does he replace Budaj when his contract is over, or should the habs target another goalie prospect.
    3. Evander Kane is reported to be considering a 6 years 29millions deal. Would you offer 7 years at the same cap hit, or even try to give him a higher cap hit, with an offer sheet?
    4. DD had the Habs highest shooting % (16.3) last season, can he repeat his 16 goals?
    5.Subban had a 3.4 shooting %, and he was the top 4 shooter for the Habs last season, can he improve on his 7 goals?

    • Rugger says:

      1. Start 3rd line center, moved to press box then AHL if he doesn’t perform or Lars excels.
      2. Okay as back-up post Budaj, draft a prospect 2nd or 3rd round in 2014 or 2015 for post Price.
      3. Sure, doubt he will sign it but go for it (answer to 1. would change to AHL immediately)
      4. 20 minimum
      5. Double to 14.

      • habs03 says:

        I agree with a lot of this.

        No point of sending Gomez down to the AHL unless you plan on using the money on something, if not let him be the extra forward, good locker room guy for the young kids.

        • shiram says:

          I don’t think a good locker guy is worth a roster spot when you have young players that need to be tested in NHL situations. Would it be better to have him in the press-box?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      1. 3rd Line Center, will get some powerplay time. They will give him opportunities early to see if anything is there. If not, Hamilton’s economy flourishes!
      2. No idea, have not seen enough of him to know.
      3. I think Thomson has a small ownership percentage in Montreal along with being primary owner of the Jets. I don’t see the Habs sending any offer sheets to RFA’s on Winnipeg. I would like to see E. Kane in a Habs uniform though. My pipe dream has Gomez showing skill and he is involved in a trade to Wpg to help make Kane a Hab.
      4. If DD stays with the same line, I think 16-20 goals is realistic.
      5. PK on pp with Markov all season should get 10-15 goals this year.

    • Timo says:

      1. Nothing will change re Gomer. He will be put with different people on different lines to get him going. It will more of the same
      2. But his name doesn’t sound nearly as good as Boodaaaeye
      3. If we can dump Gomer, sure, why not?
      4. No. He’ll get mauled this year.
      5. Depends which team he ends up playing on. I have this very very bad feeling that Therrien and Subban will be a repeat of Trembley and Roy fiasco.

    • Bripro says:

      1. He will be. I don’t see how they have any choice. He’ll play 3rd line, with Gionta.
      2. The best one available at the time. Not an issue for now.
      3. I’d rather have AK back.
      4. Doubtful. He’ll probably suffer the sophomore blues. But I hope he keeps up the pace. He’s very talented.
      5. No question. I’m sure that will be one part of his game he’ll look to improve upon. And MT has said that they didn’t utilize him properly on the PP last year, so there will be changes there.

      • shiram says:

        If Gio is playing with Gomez on the 3rd, it’s going to be another grim year for Pleky!

        • Bripro says:

          I don’t think they’ll pair Plek with those two.
          I think MT will experiment, including breaking up the DD line.
          And I would agree with that.
          There’s no use having a powerful no 1 line, if the other three are stagnant.
          Plek played at least one game that I remember with Cole and Max, and they were very productive, and always in the offensive zone.
          I see the lines being a bit of a chemistry experiment to start the season.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      1. 4th line
      2. Desjardins could be a decent back up…never a starter
      3. No. If he doesn’t accept the deal then talk to the Jets about a trade. I don’t like the offer sheet route. Kane has quite the tude as well. He is good and young but the deal being offered is quite fair. Not sure why he wants out.
      4. yes. he is a smart player. i think he scores 20 this year
      5. Subban should improve this year but i don’t think he gets much more than 10 to 12

    • commandant says:

      1. Habs need to acquire someone else with the money and send him to Hamilton. I don’t think he should even be in the lineup ahead of a guy like Leblanc.

      2. No, he’s an AHL journeyman, nothing more. He’s not a backup goalie. He’ll be 27 before the season starts, will have played for 3 organizations, and never progressed beyond the AHL (except for 2 games), there is a reason for that.

      3. No point to it, Winnipeg has cap space and a rich owner to match.

      4. He’ll take more shots, get a lower shooting percentage and stay around the same number of goals.

      5. Yes

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    • HabFanSince72 says:

      1. if Gomez is on the Canadiens for the season, I will not be buying any tickets.

      2. I have no feelings about Cedric Desjardins’ return. Didn’t even know about it. The hopes and dreams of a tree slug on a decaying bit of wood in the Amazon are of more interest to me.

      3. Wouldn’t that mean giving up four 1st round picks? Too steep.

      4. I think he’ll score more. Say 20.

      5. If Subban is healthy he will certainly improve on 7 goals.


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      • shiram says:

        As one of the most vocal anti-Budaj poster, I thought you might have felt more concerned about the backup goalie. There does not seem to be anyone in the farm to take up the spot after Budaj is gone.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Am I really vocally anti-Budaj though?

          I don’t think he’s good enough, which forced Price to start too many games. Price is much better after a rest.


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  13. The Dude says:

    Gomez has to have the best career year any athlete ever had to make up for the 14 million”in effort” he owes us fans for the last two seasons ,plus the 5 million this upcoming season. I personally don’t see a 19 million dollar 2012-13 G-Love season coming ,do you?

  14. accp says:

    Build one line at a time. 1st line gotta have 1st line players
    2nd line has to have 2nd line players. it’s no good to put 3rd or 4th line players on a 2nd line all you’re doing is plugging holes. we’ll never have a team that’s gonna go anywhere like that. good example. we don’t have a legitimate 1st line center. not knocking DD. but really he’s a 2nd or 3rd line center. so really we have 2-first line players playing with a 2nd or 3rd liner. we’ll never have 3-strong lines doing that. just MO.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Glass is half full man…Gionta and Pleks are NOT 3rd line players

      DD and Pleks are really 2nd line centres that is true but A.G. will be the teams true number one and Eller hopefully will continue to develop and be number 2. DD would drop to number 3 and Pleks would be eventually moved near the end of his deal.

      The team is rebuilding to compete and they should. At the centre position in 3 years should not be a problem. They also have LL who could be a 3rd line centre

      • accp says:

        If anyone’s glass is half full. it’s yours. I don’t see anywhere where I said Gionta and Pleks were 3rd liners. gotta learn how to read between lines. what I’m saying don’t put a 3rd or 4th liner with Pleks and Gionta who happens to be 2nd liners only weakens the line that was tried last year didn’t work 28th place was a good indication. 2nd liners on the 2nd line etc not a 3rd or 4th liner with 2nd liners. The only improvement they made on this team so far is Armstrong if he can stay healthy. I don’t see where that’s rebuilding that’s down the road. with what we have right now the Habs won’t compete for awhile and think of injuries to follow…..

        • Kooch7800 says:

          ” it’s no good to put 3rd or 4th line players on a 2nd line” – Was what I was referring to.

          Cole and Max P can easily play on a top line with both scoring over 30 last year.
          This team is short one top 6 forward and there is not a doubt there and Centre will not be an issue in a couple years. There is no instant fix in a cap world. You have to develop from within

    • Ian Cobb says:

      We will be putting 1st line players on all 4 lines my friend.
      It will be a great year watching the new regime building team chemistry.

  15. HabinBurlington says:

    And in baseball news the Yankees get Ichiro for a bag of baseballs. Unbelievable, he will flourish in Yankee stadium with that short porch in right. Money is certainly never an obstacle for the Yankees.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I don’t like the Yankees.

      Go Jays Go!

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Jays need an owner willing to spend money.

      • NL Hab says:

        People don’t like the Yankees because they spend a lot of money on there players. How come other teams don’t spend money on there players? No revenues? How do Yankees make money. Selling out home games. How do they sell out home games? By putting the best product on the field. It is not brain surgery. Don’t understand why other teams don’t do the same thing.

        Let’s go Yankees.

        Et La But

        • Kooch7800 says:

          Not sure if you have ever been to New York NL hab….there are some serious cash in New York….the tickets prices are insane and the team has history. They make money because of that. If the league had a hard cap it would be more fair to the other teams who are trying to build a fan base.

          There are a ton of teams struggling in MLB and they can’t compete with the Yankees and Red Sox. All the best Free agents seem to end up there because they can cash in and play for a franchise that has deep history.

          I understand you are a huge Yankee fan and all the power to you but I am more on the other side where I cheer against the yankees at ever step of the way and hope they fail.

          • NL Hab says:

            Ha Ha, fair enough. I have dealt with a lot of Yankee haters in my lifetime. I am biased, no doubt about that, but there is a lot of owners who would not put that much money into a team, plus pay the luxury tax every year. So I say, more power to them.

            Et La But

          • Kooch7800 says:

            That is what makes sports fun! I was a huge Don Mattingly fan when he played but I think it is A-rod that has helped me not like the Yankees…that and I am a huge Jays fan and they are rivals.

            The Jays need to spend money to even be able to compete with the Yankees.

            Hey, at least your teams see’s the playoffs

    • Bripro says:

      So the blue shirts pick up a super star, and the Yanks pick up a bust…

      • commandant says:

        Exactly… Ichiro is washed up.

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        • HabinBurlington says:

          He is 39 years old, but I wouldn’t say washed up. He is in incredible condition for his age, a new team, all he has to do is produce for one season and the Yankees benefit. Not a Yankee fan, but he will help that team.

        • Bripro says:

          BTW Ben, thanks for the Bobby Ryan story of earlier.
          It just goes to show, you never know…
          He sounds like a great kid.

        • Timo says:

          Considering it’s baseball, what is exactly considered “washed up”?

          • commandant says:

            Through 2010, his OPS was 750 or higher, and is now in the 600 range, in a corner outfield spot… he’s washed up.

            Considering he was one of the greatest hitters of this generation, with a WAR anywhere from 4-9 throughout his career, and is now in the 1.5 range, he’s washed up.

            He was always a .315 hitter or higher and is now hitting .261, he’s washed up.

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    • Max_a_million says:

      Should the Yankees be trying to win every year? Wouldn’t it be better to just see who they can pick up in the next draft?

  16. Mattyleg says:

    Morning Le Commentariat!

    Not much to say that hasn’t already been chewed over, apart from the fact that nobody has addressed the fact that last year’s poor showing was, in large part, due to the fact that we had the most man-games missed due to injury in the NHL.

    True, other teams who had close to our results didn’t do as badly as us, but we could have done significantly better than we did had we had a healthy team. If we can avoid injury this year, there is nothing to suggest that we won’t finish in the top-6 in the East.

    i have high hopes for this season, moreso than last year.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • shiram says:

      I’m putting the bar at “will compete for a playoff spot”. We’ve lost some scoring ability in Cammy, and it has not been replaced.

      • Bripro says:

        If Bourque makes up that disparity, then there won’t be much lost.
        Cammy certainly wasn’t very competitive with us last year.
        And if only Gomez could play like he did in ’09 playoffs, we could see a dramatic improvement. If….

        • shiram says:

          If Bourque replaces Cammy, we need someone to replace AK’s production on the third, Armstrong could be ok for that.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            But then who replaces Darche? :)

          • Kooch7800 says:

            Nail on the had Shiram. In saying that Armstrong can score a bit but the jury is out with his injuries. This team is missing a 30 goal plus guy to help balance out this team.

            They need a top 6 guy to help and a physical D man still. I don’t think they are done with trades but I don’t see any major upgrades coming

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          • Kooch7800 says:

            Easy Burly…Darche tried hard LOL

            I actually didn’t mind Darche but we couldn’t figure out why our offense wasn’t so good

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Darche had alot of qualities, have no issues with the guy. Just thought I would continue the who replaces who scenario. ;-)

          • Bripro says:

            I have to agree with Kooch. We need another 30-goal scorer.
            As for the stigma known as Gomez, even with Gio back, it won’t be enough.
            What no one has mentioned (or I haven’t read, at least) is Gomez’ size.
            He’s not very big and Gio is a smurf (no ill intent there….I’m a smurf too).
            What they need is a big guy. An “in your face” individual who has enough skill to draw players away from these two so that they can run the ice a little more. Give them more elbow room.
            If that happens, then who knows….maybe WJC’s prediction of a comeback year for Gomez might actually come true.
            Kaberle? Forget it. As far as I’m concerned, he’s on the down sloap of his career.

          • commandant says:

            Kaberle was on pace to score 45 points if he played 82 games as a Hab. I think he can still play. Gomez is the guy who is finished.

            Kaberle had 2 bad months in Carolina.

            Gomez has had 2 bad years now.

            As for making the playoffs… we are still short 1 tough top 4 defenceman, and 1 top 6 winger. Unless we fill one of those holes, we are fighting for between 7th and 12th spot in the east IMO.

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          • Bripro says:

            That’s mostly accurate, IMO.
            However, the only reason Kaberlazy scored that many was due to the benefit of being on the PP.
            At 5-5, in our end, he was brutal!
            As for Gomez, if he could learn to skate beyond the opposing blue line, you never know.
            And it’s been suggested here, on many occasions, that JM was not the type of coach to bring out the best in Gomez, and I tend to agree.
            None of that year’s signings did well under JM last year.

          • Greg says:

            Bourque and Armstrong replacing the goal scoring of Cammy and AK46 is unlikely in the extreme.

          • NL Hab says:

            I see people commenting on how hard it will be to replace Cammy’s goal scoring. In 3 seasons with Montreal, he had 26, 19 and 9. Of course the 9 was cause he was traded half way through the season, so he was on pace for 18. I think people have Cammy really overrated here. I know he was great in the playoffs for us, but you still have to produce in the regular season. I think Bourque could easily eclipse those numbers. I am not a big fan of his, but I think his cap hit is fairly reasonable and he is a big body. Hopefully he will start using it and put up some numbers this year.

            Et La But

          • Bripro says:

            @NL Hab…”he is a big body”.
            So is a pilon!
            What’s the use of having size if you don’t use it?

          • commandant says:

            Kaberle was brutal in his own end because he was paired with Campoli. This was the dumbest of dumb coaching decisions by Cunneyworth.

            You have 2 soft, LH defencemen, one with very good offence, and one who is okay but nothing to write home about. They both have the exact same weaknesses. You pair them together, and you play one of the two out of position.

            Give Kaberle a reliable stay at home partner, and he won’t be near as bad. He was even in +/- as a Hab before he was paired with Campoli, -9 after that.

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      • Cal says:

        Overall, the Habs scored 4 less goals than the previous season.
        The impetus will be on improved defensive play, which allowed 45 more goals than the previous season. A Markov at 80% of his capability will provide more scoring, especially on the PP. An improving PK will mean more goals for, as well. If Price continues with his steady play, the Habs can and should be about 6th in the conference. Right now, there are too many questions regarding scoring and not enough about the D.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          Don’t forget the worst shoot out record in the Entire NHL

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        • wjc says:

          Why not Markov at 100%, knee operations have improved so much. I think he has great odds of being 100%.

          The loss of Markov killed the power play. Gomez is the key, him and Gionta. Bourque should help a lot with a fresh start. New season, forget last season, everyone has something to prove.

          wjc

          • Clay says:

            So sorry – Gomez is NOT the key.

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          • HabFanSince72 says:

            If Gomez is the key we should lose him down the back of the couch.


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      • wjc says:

        Cammy wasn’t scoring last year, Eller might make it up.

        wjc

        • Bripro says:

          30-40 goals? Doubtful!

          • Kfourn says:

            Cammy only had 28 goals with the Habs in one season…he wouldn’t be replacing 30-40 goals.

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          • Bripro says:

            No but he had just come off a 40 goal season with the Flames, and I think that’s what they expected of him.
            Besides, he scored 13 in one playoff series.
            Let’s face it, we don’t have any one with that kind of scoring touch on the Habs….for now.

          • Kfourn says:

            I think Bourque could replace the 18 goals that Cammy averaged over 3 seasons, because that’s really what we’re trying to fill here, not his potential of scoring 40 goals. Sure it would be nice to have a bonafide sniper in the line-up, but I don’t think we’re any further behind than last year….not to say that we’re any further ahead either.

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    • FishOutOfWater says:

      Injuries decmiated this team, as did bad luck all season and the ability to win shootouts.

      any depth this team had last year was lost by Christmas.

      over half the team was made up of nhl rookies and sophomores by season end.

      not exactly a recipe for success.

      a bubble playoff team is a nice optimistic view going into this season. i hope you embrace it

    • JUST ME says:

      Everytime we bring the injury factor the reply is always well it`s part of the game ! When you miss an average of 5 players per game, i`m saying that any team would have been like us out of the game.

      Add this to a crummy pre season calendar that oveplayed the youngsters instead of having the veterans ready for game shape plus all the known underachievers ,the Gauthier atmosphere and you have a pretty good explanation of what was bound to happen.

      If all of those factors are taken care of, we should do fairly well.

  17. habs03 says:

    Remember when everyone went nuts that Gauthier was so classless for telling players they got traded, but can’t tell them where until the trade was official by the league. I wonder what you think of the Rangers players finding out about their trade thru the twitter/agent.

  18. habstrinifan says:

    Sometimes optimism is inescapable. There are times when optimism is the only tool that you have with which to build your tomorrow.

    And this is the case with WJC’s post. It is a good post. He faces the music it seems. We aren’t ging to get a mega player to vault this team into elite status. Heck we may even have a diminished enthusiasm of P.K as we start next season. I dont see any significant additions to this team being made between now and the start of the season. And without putting words in WJC’s mouth, I think he is saying the same thing. But he has come to a different conclusion than I had. And after reading his post I am convinced that I should follow him.

    Our optimism MUST focus on two players. Gomez and Kaberle. They both will be with the team. Kaberle especially will have a specific area he can singularly affect… the power play.

    We need to discount the past now. If they were operating equivalent to the market value implied by their salaries, these two players would rival Parise and Suter as assets.

    So I will be optimistic that they will improve. They will have outstanding seasonS. As of today, I am in WJC’s camp. Gomez and Kaberle will be the superstars they are being paid like. Why you say?

    Cause we have no alternatives. So the coach must treat them as superstars; challenge them as superstars; and expect production from them as superstars. And we must start thinking of them as superstars.

    • shiram says:

      I’m putting my hopes into Bourque and Markov, I think if they go back to their norm, they can have a significant impact. I’m pretty sure Kaberle will be usefull on the PP. For Gomez, I don’t see where you can fit him in, unless one of Eller or DD is moved to wing.

    • Phil C says:

      I don’t need Gomez to be a superstar to be happy with him. I would be thrilled if he can get back to 3rd line centre status, get back above 50% on face-offs. 4 ES goals in the last two years is not even good enough to crack the roster.

      Johnny Miller and Ian Baker-Finch lost their careers early in golf due to the yips. Chuck Knoblauch was the same in baseball. The 32 year old golden glove winning 2nd baseman lost his ability to throw accurately to first base. In these three cases the problem was mental, not skill or physical ability. I find the Gomez situation similar in that he still has his physical skills; he still can skate very well and can stick-handle through the neutral zone as well as anyone in the league. But for some reason he has stopped going to the net and stopped bringing the puck to the net. I think it is some sort of mental block. Maybe a new coach, new linemates, and a new playing style will unblock him.

      Kaberle’s play or salary is not as bad as many here make it out to be. $4.2M is the going rate for a 0.5 ppg defenseman. He will never be a physical defenseman, so people need to get over that, many defenseman in the NHL are very effective without playing physically.

      What I find intriguing about Kaberle is that he is getting into shape this off-season. He is a player that has relied on his skating to be effective in the NHL so it’s a miracle he was as good as he was last year being out of shape. Anyone who has played hockey at any level knows that putting on weight absolutely kills your speed and especially your acceleration, which is really important for a player like Kaberle as you need acceleration to separate yourself from a defender/forechecker and create space. And Kaberle with space will be very good with the puck.

      If he can get back to his normal playing weight, we may see a big change in his game. I see him as a 4/5 defenseman in that he can play top four minutes in most situations, but you still need to keep him off the ice in certain defensive situations or if protecting a lead late in the game. If he gets to that level, I will be thrilled.

      So put me down as a cautious optimist with lower expectations.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I couldn’t believe how fast Knoblauch’s game fell off. He was so good and reliable in Minnesota, I thought when he went to New York it would work, turns out it was a bad fit. Mgmt Change and Coaching Change might help Gomez, but as you say it seems he needs to change it around upstairs in his head.

  19. galchenyuk27 says:

    You guys All do realize that Nash has been on cbj this whole time and has no help do u not remember 40+ goals 16 assists

    • commandant says:

      Guys who have been in Columbus over the years with Nash

      Ray Whitney (still going strong today)
      David Vyborny
      Nikolai Zherdev
      Geoff Sanderson (still over 65 pts when Nash arrived)
      Andrew Cassels (still over 65 pts when Nash arrived)
      Sergei Fedorov
      RJ Umberger
      Kristian Huselius
      Jeff Carter
      Derrick Brassard
      Mike Peca
      Antoine Vermette

      Yeah, they might not all be allstars, but his linemates haven’t been as bad as many have made them out to be.

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      • Max_a_million says:

        Who?

        Did Fedorov skate with a walker? I think that might effect his stick work.

        • commandant says:

          Look at how many of those players had over 60 points in a season in Columbus…. Most of the list did (not Fedorov) but most of them were capable first liners.

          Yet nash only was able to score 70 pts once in his career.

          You think he’d be the best player on the team and the best player on his line, but he couldn’t elevate above these guys.

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          • Max_a_million says:

            I don’t know I think the thought of Federov with a walker effecting his stick work was really funny!

            You are probably right on the others. I still think Rick Nash is pretty good. If you sign a gritty edgy player who scores, at least you still have a gritty edgy player if they go into a scoring funk.

          • commandant says:

            Nash is a good player, in fact even a very good player…

            but at 7.8 million, he’s overpaid, and the way he’s talked about in the media and by fans he’s overrated.

            I still think the Rags won the deal though, they didn’t give up much.

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  20. ed lopaz says:

    At first I looked at the trade and thought Sather was the only one to do well here by picking up Nash.

    Nash is a winger playing on one of the worst teams year after year. One of the lowest scoring teams; a team that could never really build around him.

    Yet Nash continued to score; 30+ goals a season virtually his whole career. That is not easy to do at any level; That is extremely rare in today’s NHL; that is remarkable playing for the crap Blue Jackets.

    Nash is a difference maker. He is a terrific player.

    And yet, looking at the trade a little closer I really like what Columbus did.

    This is what I’m hoping Nashville will be able to push Philly to do for the 4 1st rounders in the Weber deal.

    Add some key elements; skill, scoring, aggressive play on the front end, and great potential on the back end. Also pick up another 1st rounder.

    Columbus was TERRIBLE WITH NASH. (for the most part).

    I think they have much better depth and are a better team today then they were yesterday.

    A very good trade for both teams.

    If the Rangers stay healthy they will certainly be as good as anyone in the East.

    I am a big fan of one Marc Staal. But he has to stay healthy to be a factor. Only 46 games last season.

    I would take a whole team of Staals and just run with it.

    (I know some disagree here but Jordan is going to become a very special player in Carolina, and many who have written that he was over rated or whatever are going to be eating crow flavored, humble pie.)

    • Malreg says:

      The problem with Nashville and Weber is that if they match the offer, they cannot trade him for a full calendar year. So it’s not like they could match, and then trade him somewhere.

      Apparently Philly hast let Nashville know that if they do not match, then they would be willing to make some trades to reacquire some of their 1st rounders.

      • ed lopaz says:

        yes I’m talking about the 1st rounders being traded back to Philly. I edited to make the point more clear.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Philly would in no way be compelled to take back those picks. They would perhaps take some of them back but not in exchange for say Sean Couturier.


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  21. wjc says:

    Things to take to the bank:

    Canadiens will be much better then last year.
    Gallagher is not nearly ready for the NHL, regardless of last years training camp.
    Gomez will be in the top 2 as a center on the Canadiens.
    Kabrele will be a top 4 defenceman on the Canadiens.
    Galchenyuk will spend the season in Sarnia.

    What I remember:

    I remember when many people were down on Patrecetty.
    I remember when many people were down on Price.
    I remember when many people thought D.D. was too small and wouldn’t last.
    I remember when people were down on Spacek.

    My opinion on collective bargaining:

    NHL is projecting revenues going over 4 billion dollars.
    They are proposing the players accept 50%, the players will still be ahead.

    No lockout/strike because it will be a win/win for all.

    These are my opinions bold as they may seem. I am usually correct and cannot remember ever being wrong. Lets just say I had a vision

    wjc

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I must give you props for being a diligent person wjc, your stamina on the subject of Gomez is incredible, I suspect you must be doing some HGH or blood doping to keep up the pace you are on.

      I do think Gomez will get an opportunity under MB and MT, how he performs I am not sure. I would be thrilled that he could be a top 2 center deservedly, I had high hopes for him going into last season. I still am hopeful but reality has shown me otherwise.

      Kaberle can be effective in limited roles specifically powerplay and limited minutes 5 on 5. I am expecting him to have a 6th dman role on the team, and this is not a diss but rather where I see him fitting in given his age, they style of game he plays and the fact I think Markov, Subban, Gorges, Emelin are better defencemen.

      Have a good day wjc!

      • wjc says:

        Kabrele, 5th or 6th is probably correct, over reached on the Kabrele, prediction. As far as Gomez goes, last year was the year I thought he would rev it up again. However, with the coaching change, I agree he has one more kick at the can. Martin, was not the right coach for Gomez. I liked a lot of things about Martin.

        I am firmly convinced that Gionta is the key for Gomez. Some players can’t figure Gomez out because he is creative. Gionta has the speed and finish to back defense up and give Gomez that extra second or two to make something happen. Put a big forward, crasher on the other wing and things get interesting, just my opinion of course.

        I am not obsessed with Gomez, but the board certainly seems to be. Writing him off is not the answer, working to his strengths is.
        It was always, thank goodness Gomez is done, ship him here, ship him there, cap hit, salary on and on. Now that the salaries are getting outrageous through out the league his 5.3 million seems relatively normal.

        Does Gomez deserve another chance, I say what are your choices. If he fails at training camp for what ever reason MB will make the necessary moves. Gomez will be aware of that and will be anxious to prove himself to his new coach. Therien has had many chances to observe Gomez and Kabrele and I would think has a clear idea what needs to transpire. Coaches usually have big ego’s and it will be a challenge to Therien to be the one to get these to assets back on track. Therien will be watched closely as well, he knows these assets can make or break him.

        wjc

        • Max_a_million says:

          Unfortunately you are right on every count, including the reach on Kaberle.

          There are always people down on someone/everyone with as many fans as this team has.

        • chelseafan says:

          The question on Gomez is twofold: #1) Would it be for the best to put him in the minors and offer his money to Doan or Kane? Answer yes. – #2: Is Molson wanting to save two million in cap space and three million next year (or 5 or six from his OWN pocket)? Answer yes:(

          • Max_a_million says:

            Uggghhh, can’t he just make us buy some engraved window panes for his new condo project every time we make a ticket purchase?

          • Mattyleg says:

            I think you’re off target with both of those questions.

            1) You seem to think that throwing money at Doan or Kane is the only thing we have to do to acquire those players. There’s much more to it than that, and other teams have that money available, and I don’t see either D or K running toward the suitcase full of cash.

            2) Do you honestly think that saving $5m is a big deal for Molson? Or do you think that it might be, just possibly, a contingency plan for later in the season if things aren’t working out? If you spend up to the ceiling at the beginning of the season, you’re stuck if you need the room. To paraphrase Nigel Tufnell in Spinal Tap, “once you’ve turned your guitar up to 10, there’s nowhere to go from there.” Only in the NHL, there is no ’11’.

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    • Mustang says:

      I sure hope that you are correct about Gomez and Kaberle but I for one, would not make a bet on either one of them unless I was given very good odds. Personally, I can not wait for them both to be gone.

    • habsnyc says:

      I remember when people thought this team was going to be a contender last season. I remember when they thought the team would rally to make the playoffs last season. I remember when people thought the Gomez trade made sense. I remember when people thought Plekanec would be top 10 in points. I remember when people thought Price would win the Vezina. I remember when people thought Markov would play in November.

      It does not cost more to be optimistic. I agree, let’s look forward to a great season. But, even a “much better” Montreal team could fail to make the playoffs.

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      • Habfan10912 says:

        Thats a reasonable expectation. One thing for sure with the young corp of dman and forwards either in Hamilton or still in Jr.’s the future doesn’t look as bleak.

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    • veryhabby says:

      My opinion on wjc’s comments:

      Habs will be a better but still worried about scoring- a healthy Gionta, Markov will help but still not amazing scoring depth
      Gallagher won’t make the team this year
      Gomez may be on this team but no way he takes over Pleks or DD spots
      Kabby is only in top 4 of Dmen if there are injuries, he and Boullion will be the 3rd pairing if all healthy to start the season
      Gal will be in Sarnia this season

      I don’t care at all about the bargaining process…I will care when real negoitations start or when the season is in jepordy

    • Kooch7800 says:

      The only thing I will take to the bank for next year is that the Habs are going to be an interesting team to watch. The East is becoming insane and the habs are a few years away from contending for anything. The top 4 teams in the East are significantly better than the rest.

      It is quite a different feel going into this year than last. I can remember last year thinking the habs could do some damage as we had Cammy, Markov was coming back (deja vu) and we signed Eric Cole, White was staying up……

      Little did we know the injuries and the complete undoing of management would cause the team to finish last in the East……

      This makes watching this season interesting.

    • shiram says:

      My issue with Gomez is centered around the other centers available on the team, and their need to have ice time and special team time. DD’s going to get the first wave of PP, Plekanec will likely get the second, and Plek will share PK duties with Eller. Gomez could take the second PP wave, but if we are taking it away from Pleks, I’d rather give Eller a kick at the can. Gomez is not taking any of Eller, DD or Pleks spot and he did not work out so well on wings either.
      So unless they try to move either of Eller or DD to wing to fit in Gomez, I just don’t see it working.
      I think DD basically replaced Gomez.

  22. commandant says:

    Today on Top Shelf Prospects, I look at the hated Bruins.

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  23. TommyB says:

    It’s Groudhog Day on HIO again. Every summer it’s the same thing over and over and over. The Rangers and Flyers sign some super stud and the Hab fans on this site want to hand the Cup to either of them immediately. But, every spring following those big signings, neither team has hoisted the Stanley Cup. The same fans wring their hands and fret that the Habs have done nothing to improve their chances in the same Conference as those two teams, and every other team in the East. It’s trade this guy, and sign that guy. Life is so simple in the minds of some fans.

    I agree with the poster who reminded us all that the Habs finished in the “dumpster” last year. That’s a reality. Can anyone name me one team that climbed out of the dumpster and went on to win the Cup the following year? The Habs have some work to do. A big trade or a big free agent signing wouldn’t necessarily launch the Habs into contention.

    A new, and seemingly capable, management team has been put in place. I, for one, am glad there is no knee-jerk action or reaction to the content of our roster. Montreal was not a contender last year. Both the Rangers and Flyers were. The Rangers and Flyers are closer to a Cup win, one would think, than the Habs. They have to take chances and throw huge sums of money at the available free agents. They are, in theory, just that one step or player away from winning. Do any of you see the Habs as being in that same company?

    The new management team cannot properly assess the assets at their disposal until they see the product, first hand, on the ice. Was last year just an “anything that could go wrong, went wrong” kind of season, or is this team truly dysfunctional? Those are some things that have to be determined, and it takes a bit of time. Throw in the uncertainty of a new CBA, or even a shortened or totally cancelled season, and a new management team has to tread very carefully. There are too many factors to consider. I think it is far easier to fall from champ to chump, than it is to climb up from chump to champ. Give them a chance to build something solid.

    • Mustang says:

      Well stated.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Nice one TOMMY!
      It is going to be a lot of fun watching the new coaching philosophy assemble our new roster this year!

    • veryhabby says:

      Getting another top 5 pick would be sweet in the rebuild of this team and seeing it become a solid team for years to come….but as a fan I just can’t take another year outside of the playoffs. That is the reality of the battle between a fans heart and head!

      That would be 3 top 5 picks on this roster for years to come, plus Pac, PK, LL, Beaul, Tinordi, Collberg all hitting their NHL potential…..ahhhhhh what a nice looking dream

      • JF says:

        I thought I wouldn’t survive last year, but we all did, and that third overall pick was pretty sweet. With lowered expectations, a near-bottom finish next year would be easier to take. And it would not only give us a top 5 pick, but would have us picking high in every round of what is expected to be a very deep draft. With another harvest of draft picks comparable to this year’s, we would set ourselves up to be a contender for years. It’s all about depth when it comes to building a team.

    • Max_a_million says:

      We were told Marc Bergevin was incredibly familiar with every player in the league, now he needs a full season to figure them out?

      It’s not a knee jerk reaction to park Gomez in Hamilton, or loan him out to another AHL team. He has earned that.

      What exactly is lost in bringing in a top notch player to replace two more years of that salary cap hit? Shea Weber is not a knee jerk reaction, he is a big nasty defenceman that will be Norris level for many years to come for about the same cost we are paying for to do nothing for us. Zach Parise, Ryan Suter, Rick Nash, Doan, Ryan … none of these guys are knee jerk. Giving Wideman, Carle etc too much money, trading away assets would be knee jerk.

      Why would you have the money, and not spend it on something worthwhile? We Canadiens fans put more money into the pocket of our team’s onwers than every team except the Leafs. Why shouldn’t we expect it to be spent on top notch talent?

      Why would we justify not icing the best team we can each and every season? That is just sad.

    • habsnyc says:

      While neither the Flyers nor the Rangers has hoisted the Cup recently, each has provided very entertaining and winning hockey to their fans. They spend money to make the team more entertaining. It is good for business.

      For Detroit, Boston, Philadelphia, New York, Chicago and many other teams, attracting stars is always good for business. For Montreal, hiring a French coach is good for business. Attracting top talent has never been a priority for this franchise. It makes the offseason frustrating. While Montreal has the revenue to get stars, the top free agents do not come to this city and the team rarely trades for top talent.

      Carolina Hurricanes missed playoffs 02-03, 03-04, strike 04-05, won Cup 05-06. It happens.

      The team is truly disfunctional. Its performance is below what would be expected from a team of 20 random NHL players. The franchise is content to be mediocre and that in and of itself is a sign of disfunction.

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  24. commandant says:

    I see people talking about Bobby Ryan.

    Here is a great article on him

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3782270

    Something tells me he eventually ends up in Philly, either via trade or as a UFA when his deal is done

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  25. HabinBurlington says:

    Been away from the computer for awhile and Holy Cow look what happens. Scott Howson in my opinion was just hoodwinked. Have to give all the props to Sather for this one (again, he is starting to show perhaps he wasn’t just luck in Edmonton).

    Seems to me Howson backed himself in a corner and finally was left with no dance partners and Sather was the only one willing to wait him out.

    Having said that, I think the trade of Nash shows how difficult indeed it is to trade these monster contracts for monster dough.

    I think Brian Burke could have just as easily made this trade, but Nash refused to go to Toronto, gotta wonder about that. You’d think a kid from the Toronto area would want to be the one to bring respectiblity back to the Blue and White.

    @UCe, sorry haven’t been online with you for awhile, but rest assured I have never posted on your blog and dissed you. Apparantly someone also put some comments in on one of Boone’s articles in the Gazette and used a HabBurlington title as well. Not sure if I should take as a compliment or what.

    Anyways, I suspect lots of final trades start happening now that Nash has been dealt.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      We were getting ready to send a search party for you. I think i might be a minority here but i like what Columbus got for Nash. They now have 3 #1 picks in next seasons draft so a full do-over rebuild is underway. They now have 2 decent centers with size and a potential top tier dman. Nash is a great player and his addition to the Rags puts them as one of the favorites imo.

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    • Cal says:

      I believe Dubinsky, given the time of a #2 center, along with Anisimov will be better than Nash. Erixon may turn out to be a good choice for Columbus as well. He was let go only because of the Rangers’ depth on D.
      Whether the Rangers go further in the playoffs depends on too many things and Cups are rarely won in July and neither are the playoffs missed.
      Unfortunately, it’s still umpteen days until training camp.

      • Max_a_million says:

        A line of Richards, Gaborik, Nash … with the goaltending they have, and the defence. Yikes! Good luck stopping that.

        • Cal says:

          Gaborik remains the wild card in all this. He is coming back from shoulder surgery. His career path follows a one great year, one average year path. And then there’s the chemistry question. All three are good to great players, but can they play together effectively? We won’t really know until they are on the ice together in regular season games.

          • Max_a_million says:

            They certainly give you a lot of talent to play with to figure it out. Even if they are split into two lines.

  26. 24 Cups says:

    Now that the Nash situation has concluded, all eyes turn to the Weber decision in Nashville. Weber is a lot more valuable than Nash so this decision by the Preds could define the franchise for the rest of the decade.

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/columnist/allen/story/2012-07-23/nhl-why-predators-must-match-weber-offer-sheet/56432304/1

    The big question for me is whether or not Weber truly wants out of Nashville or is just taking advantage of the Flyer offer during the last few months of the present CBA. If he really wants to move on to a contender than how can you commit that much up front money to a malcontent? Of course if you take the picks, your team is going to flounder for the next five years in a market that is very fragile.

    The latest rumour of a Flyer offer was Read, Meszaros, a 1st and a 3rd. Hell, that doesn’t even match the Ranger offer for Nash. Poile is really in a tight spot.

    What about Semin or Doan? I can’t see them signing here and I’m fine with that. Reality states that our eye has to be well down the road when the team has some really good kids who are on the present roster, not just in the system.

    What about Ryan? you can forget your Kristo, Weber and a 445th round pick scenario. This guy is going to cost you some real assets such as Leblanc, Beaulieu or Tinordi. The Habs also need to be very careful about offering up their 2013 1st rounder seeing the team is still very much in the hunt for another lottery pick.

    Today is the day that it really hits home for Adam Scott just how much he really lost during the last hour of The Open. Maybe he should phone Tom Watson.

    • Cal says:

      Nashville must match. Weber is about the money.
      Semin or Doan a Hab? No, but they will be mentioned as “wanting” to sign in Montreal to try to drive the price up. Mind you, if any team really wanted Semin he would have been signed by now.
      Doan loves Arizona. No income taxes.
      Ryan can stay in Anaheim. Habs have Pac and Cole with Galchenyuk and others in the pipeline. Habs should basically keep all their prospects and see how they develop and what the big team does before doing anything rash, like trading Pleks.

  27. JF says:

    So the Rangers just got better, and if Shea Weber ends up in Philly, they’ll be better. 24Cups and others have suggested that these deals will make it harder for the Habs to make the playoffs, but I don’t see it that way. With or without Nash and Weber, the Rangers and Flyers are a lock for the post-season, as are the Penguins and Bruins. Throw in the obligatory Southeast division team (probably Florida), and that means the Habs will be fighting with 9 other teams for the remaining 3 spots. Which is exactly the way it usually is. We might be jealous, but those deals change nothing for us. And we should remember that both the Flyers and Rangers have made several blockbuster deals in recent years, but neither has yet won the Cup.

    Patience, people, and concentrate on the rebuild, on “growing” our team and restocking our prospect cupboard. As we get closer to being contenders, organizational depth is what will allow us to make the big trade for that missing piece. We’re not there yet.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Jane – Not harder to make the playoffs, but rather harder to win the Cup (or conference final).

      I’m in total agreement with your final paragraph and have stated so many times.

      The fact that we drafted Galchenyuk and signed some low level UFAs still doesn’t change the fact the team is still a bottomfeeder. It’s still very much an uphill battle.

      • JF says:

        Steve – An uphill battle, yes; and for this year I’m fine with that. Finishing near the bottom again and harvesting another solid crop of draft picks in what will reportedly be a very deep draft would not be a bad thing. Before the most recent draft, the Habs were ranked 24th (I think) in prospect depth; we’re now ranked 10th. Another good draft could see us near the top in depth.

    • Chris says:

      I agree whole-heartedly.

      Montreal was not a legitimate contender going into this coming season as they simply have too many holes to patch. There were no quick fixes on the market that could have allowed them to get there.

      To put the Erixon, Anisimov and Dubinsky package in context, imagine if Montreal had made the same trade last summer. The package going the other way would have been something like Jarred Tinordi, Max Pacioretty and Tomas Plekanec. Anisimov was a more accomplished player than Pacioretty, Plekanec was obviously more accomplished than Dubinsky and Erixon and Tinordi are essentially a wash. The difference (which I see in Montreal’s favour) is made up for by the Rangers also throwing in a first round pick.

      So would we have labelled ourselves the winner in a trade of Max Pacioretty (remember, this is prior to his big breakout season and he’s coming off a neck injury), Tomas Plekanec and Jarred Tinordi for Rick Nash? My guess is no…we would have felt like we got the best player, but gave up way too much to do it. Similarly, I think the Rangers sacrificed a lot of current and future depth for one star winger.

    • HardHabits says:

      You forgot to say, “to paraphrase HH.”

      :-D

  28. HabFanSince72 says:

    Tim Erixon was drafted in the first round in 2009 by the Calgary Flames. However, he refused to sign for them, which forced them to trade his rights to the Rangers (his father’s old team) for a couple of second round picks.

    Now Erixon has been traded from one of the most to one of the least desirable franchises in hockey.

    Let’s all take a moment to snicker at Tim Erixon’s luck.


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  29. TrevEllwood says:

    So what do you think the starting line ups will be come October 11th 2012? Including the captains and assistant captains. This is what I think it will be; let me know what your thinking?

    Patches – DD – Cole
    Bourque – Plekanec – (C)
    Prust – Eller – Leblanc
    Armstrong – White – Gallagher

    Subban – Georges (A)
    Markov(A) – Emelin
    Kaberle – Bouillon

    What would you change and why?

    • petefleet says:

      I’m thinking you didn’t include Moen, Gionta, Geofrion or Gomez. I’m thinking that you have Gallagher as a fourth liner when there’s no way he starts there, 3rd or 2nd if he makes the club.

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    • JUST ME says:

      Gallagher will have a chance but if you put him on a fourth line ,forget it . Do not waste confidence of a player for the sake of having new blood at all cost.
      Leblanc would benefit from a season in Hamilton. I think he got more than he could chew last season. Although he did o.k. he did not benefit from a long enough stint in Hamilton.

      Like it or not Gomez will get a shot at it. Galchenyuk will play 9 games for the Habs and then will be sent back to Sarnia. He should be included on at least line 2.

    • gmur says:

      Looking at your roster… with Moen, Gionta and Gomez missing from it, one thing jumps out. It will be interesting to see how Bergevin responds to underachieving veterans chosen by the previous management… Bourque and Gomez come to mind…

  30. Steven says:

    So, I was just thinking over what our team would look like in a few years, considering our prospects, and the thought that we’ll be contenders in a few years. Quickly skimming over the pieces we have, this is what I came up with(Don’t mind the lineup set-up. I just find it more orderly)

    This is what I figured for 2 to 4 years away(Yes, it might not be totally realistic, but yeah)

    Patches – DD – Cole
    Holland – Galchenyuk – Gallagher
    Plekanec – Eller – Collberg
    Leblanc – Bournival – Quailer
    Dumont – White – Prust

    Subban – Tinordi
    Gorges – Bealieu
    St Denis – Ellis
    Pateryn – Emelin
    Thrower – Bennett

    Price and whoever gets to back him up

    And I’m probably even forgetting some people. That’s a lineup with some unbelievable depth(And clearly too few spots to fit them all). If the prospects pan out as we hope and expect, we’re in for some kind of team for at least a few years.

  31. punkster says:

    (Sigh)
    Back from a week at the cottage, no communication with the outside world, and all I wanted to hear when I returned was a big SUBBANG signing on the bottom line.

    So what do I get?…Weber, Doan and Nash news.

    Blah! Filler…nothing but filler.

    I need me some SUBBANG baby!

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • Clay says:

      Would you accept unfounded rumors as a substitute?

      If so, here’s one. Subban will be traded for MAB and a conditional pick in 2034

      *edit*
      Or the impending Subban for Malkin trade taken (totally out of context) from EasternOntarioHabsFan below. :D

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  32. Un Canadien errant says:

    So yes I admit it, I’m jealous. Rick Nash would look great in bleu blanc rouge. So would Shea Weber. Right now we have a couple a players that make us proud, Erik Cole and Max and Carey Price, guys that other teams look at in envy. P.K. can get there, if he’ll cut out the Ken Linseman crap and just play hockey.

    We used to have a tonne of those guys, we’d walk into opposition rinks proudly, with our GM Serge Savard leading the way, wielding a big cigar.

    There will come a time when, after rebuilding the team from the destruction wrought by Réjean Houle, a process which is taking decades, understandably, the Canadiens will be a perennial powerhouse and will sit at the big boy table at the trade deadline and the cool kids table at GM meetings and the Board of Governors meetings.

    • Lizardking89 says:

      I feel the same way and I hope one day what you say will be true. It seems that we’re never in the mix when it comes to these blockbuster moves and big name signings. I hope that some of these kids we’ve drafted pan out and we become a powerhouse in the league again because I’m tired of seeing the parade pass us by every season.

  33. toinz says:

    Commandant will correct me if I am wrong here, but isnt 2013 supposed to be one of the better draft crops in recent memory?

    The GM that replaces Scott Howson will now draft 3 times in the first round next year, with a likely top 3 pick and 2 lower picks.

    Is it possible Howson just figured he would tank another season and get another Rick Nash that way?

    • Habilis says:

      Great point, maybe the dude has us all fooled!

    • commandant says:

      A lot of people are high on 2013, but lets remember that 2012 was labelled as one of the better drafts in recent memory, at this time last year too.

      Lets remember that Nick Ebert was sure fire top 5 pick, and Matia Marcanuotoni and Andreas Athanasiou were ranked in the top 15 at this point last summer.

      Lets remember all the injuries that happened.

      2013 looks great right now, but thats pretty common with drafts.

      1 year away: “its the best draft since 2003″
      6 months away: “some of these guys are injured and disappointing, it won’t be a great draft but a good one”
      3 months away – draft day: “The top of this draft is great but it has no depth, its actually a weak draft… Next year though, next year looks awesome”

      This is common things we hear from NHL scouts every year.

      Its all a poker game…

      The reality is that while MacKinnon and Jones look like surefire prime talent, every thing after that is a question mark right now. Promising, but still need to see them again.

      I’m not saying the draft is bad… I’m just saying its really early to say “best draft in recent memory”. We’ve really only seen most of these kids for one year in the CHL leagues, or USHL, so its too early to tell right now.

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  34. PrimeTime says:

    Everyone likes to get a new car to show off but you can’t get one everytime the neighbor gets one. Good for Slats but he has gone down this road before in NY with not much to show in the end. I guess his tastes suit the ownership and NYC. Afterall it’s a business and if high profile players attract money, so be it. Too many Hab fans that whine can only dream of the” old days”. Even if MB gets us to the promiseland, it will be short lived…..but being a dominant club again to stay there would be nice. Too bad the conditions of playing in MTL suck.

    • Clay says:

      Ah, PrimeTime – always inserting a ray of sunshine into the HIO day.

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  35. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    I would not trade Plekanec unless the return would be very very good (Ryan), he is underrated as far as his value to the team is concerned.

    I would not trade Subban period. (unless the Pens offered Malkin straight up, which has as much a chance of happening as the Blue Jackets winning the Cup for the next four years)

    • boing007 says:

      Prediction: Blue Jackets will never win the Stanley Cup.

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      • Kfourn says:

        Predicition: we will never get Malkin.

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  36. gordon bombay says:

    Plekanec, Kristo, Beaulieu, 1st Round Pick >
    Dubinski, Anisimov, Erixon, 1st Round Pick

    This would have made us better now and in the future. Nash is a beast and is going to thrive in the East.

    Pacioretty – Desharnais – Cole
    Nash – Eller – Gionta

    Oh well, no since crying over spilt milk.

    I do however think we should take a chance on Semin. If we can whip him into shape and he can live up to his potential he would become a hero in Montreal where he would not be hidden behind Alex the Great #8.

    Semin – Plekanec – Gionta/Bourque

    That could produce. Worth a shot for one year contract.

    • Marc10 says:

      If you’re Detroit or Pitts, you’re going to go hard after Semin now.

      And if you’re Semin, you’d want to play with the talent on those teams. I can’t see old Alex being fired up about playing with DD, Pleks or Eller… Do you?

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      The Rangers, having organizational depth, could afford to part with pieces like this. The Canadiens have no such depth, as we saw at the end of last season with a couple of injuries to Travis Moen, Ryan White and Mathieu Darche depriving us of legitimate third and fourth lines. We will need another year or two of shrewd drafting from Trevor Timmins’ team and for Player Development team and Hamilton coaches to turn a couple of borderline players into solid NHL’ers before we can start trading quantity for quality, and for the Canadiens to be in a position where we can profit from such moves.

      A connected gripe we used to hear about Pierre Gauthier and now hear about Marc Bergevin is that they’re not bold wheelers and dealers like Paul Holmgren or Brian Burke or Glen Sather. The thing is, to play poker you need to have chips to play with. You need a stack of assets to be at the table, if you’re there with four dollars, you can’t bluff or manoeuvre or threaten someone to go all-in, they’ve got fifty bucks in front of them and will laugh at any such ploys. Marc Bergevin will be wise to be patient and wait to accumulate some chips before he sits down at the table with the big boys.

      • commandant says:

        The Canadiens weren’t on Nash’s trade list.

        He had a NTC

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        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Yes, that’s understood. I thought we were dealing in conjecture here, playing ‘what if’.

          I did address Rick Nash’s NTC in my longer post below, don’t like how he forced the Blue Jackets to trade him, but provided them with a short list. I would have asked him to be much less restrictive in his options, and told him to be patient. The Jackets had been very fair in their dealing with him, they didn’t owe him anything.

    • chanchilla says:

      nash plays on the right side, like Cole; he’s left handed, but plays the right side.

  37. Un Canadien errant says:

    Okay, so hear me out here. Don’t jump all over me for this, I’m just throwing pasghetti on the wall and seein’ if it sticks.

    The Blue Jackets have a plethora of NHL calibre defencemen, lots of puck movers and offensively-oriented ones, and just added Jack Johnson last season and Tim Erixon. They’re at the salary cap floor, and are a low-budget and revenue team, they can’t spend much beyond the floor. They’re kind of pinching pennies.

    Meanwhile the Canadiens have a need for a right-handed defenceman who can shoot the puck on the powerplay, and need some grit and toughness back there.

    Can you see a framework of a deal where we repatriate James Wisniewski for a package of youngsters and prospects and a veteran centreman who’s a leader and good in the room and will provide a higher cap hit than the salary he’s actually going to receive?

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      If the Blue Jackets were willing to make that deal they’d have done it already because then Nash would have wanted to stay.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      the Wiz is overpaid unfortunately.


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      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Which is precisely why we might be able to wheedle him out of Columbus for the right price.

        I’m not saying it’s likely, or that Marc Bergevin and the brain trust would or should be interested, but we missed him last year. I’d overpay for him gladly.

        EDIT: The Jackets probably thought he was overpaid too last summer when they signed him, but they were all in with Jeff Carter as well, they were going for the playoffs and beyond, and proving to their fans and Rick Nash that they were in it to win it. Now that they’re rebuilding, they may want to move Mr. Wisniewski.

        • commandant says:

          ONly thing I don’t like about a Wiz-Gomez swap is that Wiz’s contract lasts about 3 years longer than Gomez’s does.

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          • Un Canadien errant says:

            He Who Shall Not Be Mentioned should not be mentioned. We wouldn’t want to wake up the Rolls-Tay.

            Markov-Subban
            Emelin-Wisniewski
            Gorges-Diaz or Webber

            Kaberle-Bouillon

    • Bobo23 says:

      That would be awesome. And we have 2nd round picks to spare…

  38. ooder says:

    hey this might be a dumb question but what is the point of signing Galy to a 3 year contract? I don’t realy know how that first entry contract works.
    what if we didn’t sign him right after drafting him. what would that mean?
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    • ABHabsfan says:

      Not a dumb question at all, I am a little confused myself. Why would you sign a guy unless you figure he is making the team? They have 2 years to sign him, thus gain another year of entry level deal while playing pro. Same applies to Yak signing with the Oilers.

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      • commandant says:

        If he doesn’t make the team and play 10 games, his contract will slide meaning it starts in 2013 instead of this year.

        There is no disadvantage to signing early.

        In fact its an advantage to the team, if it slides, his signing bonus gets spread over 4 years instead of 3, resulting in a cap hit reduction of about $30,000-50,000. Not much, but a small advantage, with no downside to signing him.

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    • Un Canadien errant says:

      He would go back into the 2014 NHL draft if the Canadiens hadn’t signed him to a contract by then.

      Generally, teams have two years to sign a draft pick from the CHL to a contract before they lose him. In most cases, especially for lower round picks, you wait a year or so to see how they develop before you give them a contract, with some they turn out to be busts and you’re glad you didn’t, but in some obvious cases like Alex Galchenyuk, you don’t benefit any by waiting, you might as well lock him up and move on to other things.

      Especially now, with entry-level contracts with terms dictated by the draftee’s position, there is no risk of players holding out for more money like in the past (Mario Lemieux, Owen Nolan), and no upside to a team waiting it out to force a player’s demands down, both parties know what the contract will look like so it becomes a formality to take care of.

      • ABHabsfan says:

        The advantage to waiting a year is that you would gain 1 contract year of entry-level deal before he becomes RFA. That’s why they should wait, unless the Habs figure on him making the team this year. PK was signed to his deal only a week or so before his deadline and therefore had 3 full years of pro before becoming RFA

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        • Mark C says:

          His contract will slide this year unless he plays in 10 or more NHL games, e.g. if Gally spends the year in the OHL next year he’ll still 3-years left on his ELC.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I’m pretty sure that the entry level contract doesn’t kick in until the player has played 10 NHL games in a season. So Mr. Galchenyuk’s contract will ‘slide’ to begin during the 2013-14 season, so no harm done with respect to free agency.

          Also, with the hard stance by the owners, I think free agency rules might be tightened up in the next season, so this aspect may not be so crucial as it is under the current CBA.

          • commandant says:

            Just to clear something up

            10 games played, means one year on the ELC is burnt off and he gets RFA sooner. It doesn’t count as a year of service towards the 7 years to UFA rule.

            41 games on the roster (press box, IR, or games played) leads to one year of service towards UFA age.

            Of course these rules could potentially change in a new CBA.

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          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Thanks for the clarification, I just learned something.

            What a great discussion to be a part of!

        • Habilis says:

          The conract doesn’t kick in until he plays ten regular season games in the NHL.

    • ooder says:

      thanks for the clarification everybody :)

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  39. PrimeTime says:

    @UCE
    Your “discussions” are like a bunch of bar drunks and no one knows what each other is saying because everyone has their own agenda trying to out shout one another to make a point. No one remembers the next day and it starts all over again the next day. It’s entertaining to a point but no one should take anyone seriously. I just like to even the field by saying you’re all hot air… ie full of snit.

    • gmur says:

      News flash… this is a blog… isn’t this where hot air and entertaining ideas are supposed to be voiced?

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I don’t get your point. I love going to pub with the fellas to catch the game on the big screen and tell tall tales and agonize over the Roberto Luongo situation and rue the Cam Neely trade and get rip-roaring drunk and shout to be heard over the hubbub and try to act all cool when some lovelies happen by. I guess you prefer staying at home to the company of your friends.

      And how did you know I had beans for breakfast? I got this slow-cooker recipe I could share with you, real easy, do it up with molasses and maple syrup and ham, hmmmm good.

    • Bobo23 says:

      Your constant antagonism consistently cracks me up.

  40. PrimeTime says:

    I don’t understand how so many people can know so much with so little information. The day any of you become a GM you may get some cred. Until then, you’re all hot air. NHL personel laugh at fans opinions.

  41. Un Canadien errant says:

    So Scott Howson is not the unreasonable, inflexible GM that we thought he was. In reality, he’s just as malleable as any other GM in crisis. Bullying will do that to a man. After months of pressure from the media and fans to deal with the Rick Nash situation, he caves to the pressure and deals him away when there was really no deadline or reason for him to act, especially with a lockout all but certain until January 1. He could have waited for a training camp epiphany by an opposition GM, or an early-season injury to create more favourable conditions. Instead, he fumbled the ball in the open field, with no one near him.

    It’s on days like this that I appreciate even more the work of Brian Burke, who dangled Tomas Kaberle for two seasons, kept enticing teams with a player, who he hyped as a frontline offensive defenceman, at training camp and early season and at the trade deadline and the draft, and kept pulling him back, while I howled at how he should dump the mug for a third-rounder and be done with it, but no, he persisted and kept up his carnival barker act until he got the Bruins to bite on the lure, and hauled in a first and second-round pick and a decent prospect for his scrap heap special. He held on to his ‘asset’ like Wayne Gretzky would hold on to the puck behind the opposition net. He’d sit there and wait and fake and fidget and pretend to go one way and wait some more, seconds elapsing until it seemed like minutes, until one of the defencemen would flinch and, against his better judgment and everything he’d be coached to do, give up and chase Mr. Gretzky around the net, which was precisely what he wanted. No, Scott Howson played this one like Andrei Kostitsyn, taking the puck from the high slot and skating it towards the corner, then down along the boards, shepherded gently by checkers, all the way to the blue line, where he’d pass it into Josh Gorges’ skates and cause a three-on-one breakout.

    Make no mistake about it, the Blue Jackets lost this trade. They gave up a crown jewel in Rick Nash, a player that every team craves and hopes to uncover in a draft. In return for such a topline player, they received some nice assets, but nothing to show to the fans that there are better days ahead. Brandon Dubinsky is a useful character player I’d love to have on my team, Artem Anisimov is a quality young forward with upside, Tim Erixon a decent defensive prospect. They also get a low first-round draft pick, which is nice, but all these assets are a lot easier to find, through trade and the draft and free agency and a proper development system, than a player like Rick Nash.

    The Rangers get a big strong marquis player with lots of skill, good enough to make the Olympic Team Canada roster twice so far as a no-brainer, and a lock to make it again for Sochi. He’s reaching the peak of his athletic ability, his prime years as a 28 year old. He’s signed to a contract that will keep him happy and on the Rangers’ roster for years. They get a finishing piece to a strong Cup-contending team. It’s as if they obtained a Double Jos Louis in a lunchtime trade for a celery stalk, a half a PBJ, an apple, and an apple to be named later, from a sucker kid who should have held out for a Mae West today and another one tomorrow, on top of the apples. He could have made a PBJ himself when he got home, or found one still in the wrapper in the garbage, if he thought he really needed one.

    Before the announcement, one trade I thought the Rick Nash deal could eventually compare to was the Joe Nieuwendyk trade from Calgary. The Flames held a known quantity, a big and very skilled scoring winger that any coach would want on his team. They flipped him to the Dallas Stars for a package that included a budding similar forward in the making in Jarome Iginla. When that trade was made, critics were evenly divided as to which team had won the trade. Those who thought Calgary had won admitted that losing Mr. Nieuwendyk was a big blow, but rightly analyzed that Jarome Iginla could turn out to be just as good and would lead the team for a decade, and most people agreed. I kind of thought that the Blue Jackets would get a nice package of players to fill holes now, but would also land one similar future prospect that would be their leader for years. They failed to do that. Sure, their demands at the outset for two quality roster players and two blue-chip prospects and a high pick might have been sky high, but they crashed back to earth when they gave up on receiving at least one blue chipper.

    We can’t discount the negative role played by Rick Nash in this. He’s the one who asked to be dealt, not wanting to go through another rebuilding process in Columbus, which is fair enough, but at this point the Jackets should have insisted he waive his No Trade Clause and at most provide the team with five or ten teams he didn’t want to go to. This isn’t the same kind of situation as the Canucks are embroiled in with Roberto Luongo, where they are nicely asking a player with a near-immovable contract to please allow them to trade him pretty please if it’s okay and all. Rick Nash made this bed for the Blue Jackets, they shouldn’t have been the only ones to lie in it, or as Jamie McLennan would intone, the ones to now pay the piper.

    All in all, this trade with the Rangers is disappointing for the Columbus Blue Jackets fans. Also, combined with the Predators losing Ryan Suter and on the ropes with respect to retaining Shea Weber, the equal-opportunity NHL that Gary Bettman dreams about is far from a reality, if the weak sisters keep playing the role of farm teams for the prestige clubs.

  42. Psycho29 says:

    Claude Julien signs a multi year extension with the Bruins.
    Seems like yesterday that Cam Neely wanted to fire him…

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      If Montreal would have scored in game 7 OT instead of Boston…so much would be different right now. The Canadiens would probably still have Martin coaching and Gauthier as the GM. And Boston would have no cup or Julien.

      • Psycho29 says:

        I still haven’t seen any of the Bruins hoist the cup. Only Cup deciding game I didn’t watch to the very end. (in over 45 years of watching hockey)….

      • Marc10 says:

        Spot on Hobie. Julien would have been fired in a Boston minute had Gionta not missed (or had Sopel and Hammer not played soft in Game 3 allowing the Bruins to come back…)

        What might have been…

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I hate that there’s nothing I can do about it, it happened and we have to deal with it. Like the tar sands or Deepwater Horizon.

      • ABHabsfan says:

        It all goes back to the save by Ryder on Pleks in Game 3 (I think it was game 3). That one goes in and the Habs are up 3-0 in games and the series never goes 7. That was the turning point IMO.

        “man, I love winnin'; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
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      • Steven says:

        If Montreal had score that goal, we would probably have Cup 25. Washington was in no measure to win another round, and I like our matchup vs Tampa(I think Philly would’ve flopped against Tampa just like they did vs Boston). Then Vancouver collapsed vs an equal offense to ours(or it was close, IIRC), so we could’ve beaten them too.

        Then again, coulda, woulda, shoulda…

  43. Boomer says:

    GAAAAALLLLLLLCHEEEEENNNYYYUUUUK!!!

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  44. blu_blanc_rouge says:

    If Bobby Ryan is still in play; i would love to see the Habs pursue him.

    He is a high impact highly skilled forward. He’s big and young.

    The most logical deal would involve T. Plekanac.

    I believe that Eller can easily replace him as the number 2 centre. Galchenyuk will be ready for the 2013/14 season and a decision can be made then on Eller or Deharnais for trading purposes.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I would like to see Bobby Ryan as a Hab as well but I am not sure Eller can EASILY replace him. It may take him a year or so but watching what the power houses are doing we have time cause this team can’t compete for a cup currently. Hopefully the prospects start panning out in the next couple of years

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    • Marc10 says:

      He wants to go to Philly (his hometown).

      Assuming Philly loses out on Weber, they might turn their attention to Ryan.

      If I’m the Ducks, I’d want Couturier and nothing less. I’m sure Holmgren would try his best to avoid that.

      I don’t know that the Habs are anywhere in that picture… That said, Ryan is an American and our team is loaded with them. Maybe that gets us on his list of destinations.

      But what would you want if you were the Ducks? You’re not going to get Max or PK. You’d probably want Pleks and a pick or Eller and Gallagher… At least that’s what I’d ask for. Would you do it then?

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Tomas Plekanec is valuable to us, but is also the most ‘disposable’ player we have. He’d be the centrepiece in any Bobby Ryan trade, and I’d understand if he was the one to go.

        Trading Max would be robbing Peter to pay Paul. Trading P.K. would just move the problem elsewhere on our roster, for at least a couple of seasons, so there’s no benefit.

        If the Ducks insisted on Lars Eller, I could be convinced into it, but I’d be a little more leery. Brendan Gallagher is a great prospect and team player, but with our current roster it’s hard to see how he fits in, along with quite a few other smaller prospects in our organization. If another team wants him, we let him go, but I wouldn’t push him as a throw in. He’s the kind of player every team needs, an inspirational guy who works hard all the time.

  45. Psycho29 says:

    Game from 1979 on ESPN Classic, Detroit and Philly….not the best hockey, but strange to see both Rogie Vachon and Pete Mahovlich on the Red Wings….

    edit: And Phil Myre in nets for the Flyers

  46. Ian Cobb says:

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    This year we have the largest Summit group attending in 6 years.

    Some people are using their own game tickets, and will be attending Hurley’s Pub Friday evening at the meet and greet. Some will only arrive Sat. morning at the breakfast.
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    Please let me know numbers for Hurley’s, both Fri, and after the game Sat night.

    At the same time, you better give me numbers for The Baton Rouge pre game dinner, so I can get a better count for reservations please.

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  47. Mark C says:

    When Rene Bourque averages 24 goals over the past three years with a $3.3M cap hit, he’s an overpaid bum who should be sent to the AHL.

    When Rick Nash averages 32 over the same time period while costing $7.8M in cap space, it’s smart to send two pre-prime top-6 forwards, B level prospect, and a 1st round pick for the “right” to continue to enjoy spending 1/10 of the salary cap on a currently non elite point producer.

    Who knew 8 goals were worth so much?

  48. Ice Storm says:

    Habs sign Galchenyuk to his three year entry deal…

  49. filincal says:

    Rags trying to buy the cup….again. Sather is genius…

  50. filincal says:

    So Howson is a crumby GM because he “gave away” Nash for nobodys…even though he’s been listening to offers since January.
    I’d like to think a professional NHL GM got the best he could get, considering the situation his franchise was put in by Nash.
    Anyone that thinks Howson could have done a lot better should wake up and smell the used hockey equipment.

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      He’s a crumby GM for a number of reasons, but yes the Nash trade is one of the reasons.

      Nash went to Howsen privately and requested a trade. Howsen then announced that publicly, binding his own hands and essentially necessitating the trade be done before the new season.

      He also apparently refused a number of fair offers at the draft and deadline, asking what many viewed (correctly) as ridiculously steep price. Consequently, some suitors ended up backing away while others moved on the other plans. Now he had to settle for what was left.

      Dubinsky, Erixon, and Anisimov are by no means bad players, but when you are trading a player of Nash’s caliber (star but not superstar) you expect to get at least one piece back of comparable worth, such as a high 1st or bluechip prospect.

      • showey47 says:

        Whether howsen went public or not,the team would have known that nash didn’t want to be there and would have needed to move him before the up coming season started regardless. If anyone did any hand binding,it was nash for only giving the jackets 5 or 6 teams he would accept a trade to. The rangers also took advantage of the flyers having potential salary locked up in the shea weber offer sheet. The player who is not mentioned in this trade is nathan mackinnon who howsen will probably inadvertently acquire with this trade.

    • Steven says:

      I heard they had a better deal from the Rangets ready at the Trade Deadline but turned it down.

      Howson could’ve done better, but messed up.

        • Steven says:

          Not a chance I can find it but I remember it being discussed that he could have had Del Zotto, Dubinsky, Anisimov and something else or something like that being thrown around but he turned it down.

          I really can’t prove it, so I wouldn’t be surprised or judging if you didn’t believe me.

  51. Mark C says:

    Shocking how people whine about how overpaid certain Habs players are, yet love how the Rangers gave up a boat load of talent/value for the 5th highest cap hit among skaters, a player who hasn’t finished in the top-10 goal scorers since 2008-09. Talk about overpaid.

    In more important news, the Galchenyuk era has officially begun.

    • Strummer says:

      Boatload of talent?
      Surely you jest.

      Nash is way better than any of the players that Columbus got. The first round draft choice will be a late one.

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    • The Dude says:

      Mark C forgets the 2012 season was the second worst in CANADIENS HISTORY and a last place finish ….you make me laugh so hard it too tuff to reply any further..

    • junyab says:

      Hardly a boat load – considering NY doesn’t give up McDonagh and Del Zotto, not to mention Callahan, Stepan, Hagelin or Krieder.

      • Mark C says:

        Boat load considering its Rick Nash. David Clarkson had as many goals as Nash did last year. He hasn’t been an elite players in years (if ever) and he has the 5th highest cap hit. His relative value is nowhere near as high as people think it is.

        • junyab says:

          Your Clarkson comparison isn’t quite strong if you look at goals over the last 5 years – 173 for Nash vs 79 for Clarkson. And when you take the quality of teams into account, your equal comparison faulters even more.

  52. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    I yearn for the days when the Habs can make moves like that

    • Strummer says:

      To be fair to the Habs they weren’t on Nash’s list of acceptable destinations.

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  53. boing007 says:

    Gally Ho!

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  54. JayK-47 says:

    I was thinkin’… remember that time the Habs traded Rivet for Gorges and a 1st? Here’s my idea, why don’t they just do that, ALL the time???

  55. Marc10 says:

    I imagine Sather wasn’t budging on Kreider or McDonaugh.

    If I’m Howson, I draw the line at one of those players as part of the return. If one of them isn’t included… I’m not interested.

    Now Columbus loses its one impact player and gets 2nd liners in return. I guess there wasn’t much on offer out there for the Jackets to pull the trigger on a very average deal.

  56. slamtherimtim says:

    man , how sather does this time and again is beyond me. what a GM

    • habsgod says:

      because he’s 1 of the smartst g.m.’s in t the history of the league,he’s fleeced more g.m. than any other in the history of the league,he just made howson another victim ,in a long line of victims he’s fleeced! i hope bergevin can fleece g.m.’s like this and maybe his first victim will be pierre gauthier in chicago ………..and he can fleece him for p.kane

  57. accp says:

    The Habs have team chemistry. one line.

  58. B says:

    If they had waited for the new CBA, perhaps they could have signed Galchenyuk to a 5 year entry level deal :)

  59. habstrinifan says:

    With the movement of Nash, it seems to me that there has been more ‘franchise players’ moved this off season than ever before.

    One factor may definitely be the uncertainty re the survivability of some franchises or very least, like NJ, the diminished relevancy of that franchise in the local sports market?

    Another factor is the explosion of signing bonus.. I dont know why this has happened because I do not think it affects cap space to the team’s advantage. Don’t recall similar bonus level in the past. Bonuses were moreso written into future performance.

    I think both players and league will easily agree to ‘shorter’ term contracts in the new CBA .. for huge bonuses will compensate for length and players and teams will like the mobility..

    This year’s activities will have a lasting impact on the league and player movement. NHL used to be based on ‘key’ players being heavily identified with their team.. think that will change as it did in NBA and baseball.

    Another effect will be a more cutthroat approach to team building. Maybe it will even have an effect on how GM’s value their draft picks from now on. I think teams will analyse their roster and their chances and make one of two decisions… a quick upgrade at the cost of picks to go for ‘it all’ or a quick dismantling to reorganize with 3 year plans. Rookie salaries will continue to be very low compared to veterans’ salaries.

    I do not think GM’s will think of 5 year plans anymore.
    NHL GM’s were a conservative lot. That will change.

    • HabFab says:

      Performance bonuses can only be given for;
      – entry level
      – +35
      – when a player signs a new contract after having missed large periods of the previous years

      The rest are signing bonuses only…from present CBA

      • habstrinifan says:

        Seems to me the signing bonuses are gonna play a bigger and bigger part.

        Am I wrong.. or werent there lots of players with clauses where they received this amount or that amount for say 30 goals or team reaching playoffs etc. That type of inentive may disappear.

        • HabFab says:

          That is a performance bonus and they can only be given for the three category’s mentioned above.

          • commandant says:

            Signing bonus is different…. its calculated as part of the annual salary, but is given up front.

            Any player is eligible to get a signing bonus.

            The signing bonus in the Weber contract is the big reason the Preds may not be able to match.

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  60. accp says:

    Some people still don’t get it. if you want a good chance at winning a Stanley cup you have to purchase good pieces for your puzzle. that’s what the rangers just did. it still doesn’t mean they’re guaranteed a cup. the team that plays the best in the playoffs will win. not necessary the best team. but I must say they just improved their team immensely….Good on Sather.

  61. ont fan says:

    And the Yankees get Ichiro from Seattle for 2 minor leaguers. What next.

  62. Hobie Hansen says:

    Ok so Rick Nash finally got traded, big whoop. Pretty fair deal for the Rangers though.

    So here’s the situation or question I have for any tech savvy or multimedia guru type folks out there.

    I’m moving in a couple months and I really wanna ditch cable. I get basic cable free in my current place so my cable bill, with the HD terminal and a bunch of HD channels, only comes to $30.00. So I can’t imagine paying full cost and upwards of $100.00 once I move.

    I bought an NHL Center Ice Online membership that was pretty cool last season. Super good online HD quality streaming of all “Out of Market” games. So the problem here in Ottawa is if the Habs game was on CBC or TSN, it was blacked out online. It is all based on your proxy server address.

    I’ve heard if you have an America IP address you won’t have a problem with games blacked out on CBC and TSN like you do in Canada. The only problem with that is if the games are on NBC, or another station or two that I kept noticing, the games are blacked out. So there are a lot of Habs games that are blacked out in the US or CAN or both at the same time.

    So my main question to anyone who can answer: Is there a way to stream all 82 games, exhibition and of course playoffs? I’ve seen the free live streaming “illegal” sites before and from what I can see is that they’re all junk.

    Does RDS stream every game for a cost anymore?

    • chanchilla says:

      nhl gamecenter. its pricy though.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Ya that’s what i had with all the blackouts. It was only $20 a month…not bad if you cancel your cable. But it had a lot of blackouts.

    • HammerHab says:

      If you want to go the legit route you can pay for the package at nhl.com and get any game you want streamed live. I think TSN does it as well, but only for games they are broadcasting of course.

      edit: I see it’s been answered….that’s ridiculous that the NHL can charge you to use the NHL’s service and then black out games. What are you paying for?

    • habaholic68NJ says:

      Hockeystreams.com. About $100/year and no blackouts.

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    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I think the CRTC decision that prevents cable companies from forcing customers to buy packages of channels will be a benefit to us at HIO. We’ll be able to order TSN and RDS and that’s it. Right now, I’m forced by Shaw to buy at least another channel when I buy RDS and it’s not even in HD. Ripoff.

  63. Sean Bonjovi says:

    IMO The Rangers biggest flaw last season was having too many grinders and not enough hands, so I’ll at least acknowledge and compliment a series of decisions that appear to be an effort to become a more skilled hockey team.

  64. Ian Cobb says:

    New York has always thought they could (Buy) a cup. You have to earn it by developing a full team, not buying expensive spare parts.
    No team chemistry!!!!

  65. Sean Bonjovi says:

    If Fedor Tyutin’s up for grabs I want him!

    *- Sean Bonjovi = Fedor Tyutin’s biggest fan :) -*

  66. JayK-47 says:

    Shea Weber: worth four 1st rounders
    Rick Nash: worth two 1st rounders and two 2nd rounders
    Scott Gomez: worth two 1st rounders and one 2nd rounder

    And that is why we can’t have nice things.

  67. JUST ME says:

    A good deal for both teams but they gave a lot on both sides. Columbus better play ther cards right cause they lost their biggest crowd attraction. They now have 3 first round choices next year in what is said to be a very good draft.But in columbus survival of the team is not a done deal if seats are emptying…

    Rangers got their man ! Do not believe that you can buy a Stanley cup ,never did,never will.Still expect them to be in the top teams of the league.

    Galchenyuk is signed for 3 years. Excellent news. Will be following him closely in Sarnia next season !

  68. HabFab says:

    My thoughts are similar;

    saskhab Breaking: NY Rangers trade fourth and sixth best forwards, top D prospect and 1st rounder for new fourth best forward.

    Howson could not get what he wanted but he got market value.

  69. The Dude says:

    Apparently when you spend big Bucks you should get something in return unlike they do in Montreal where they give multi-million dollar welfare cheques to expired ,soft ,undersized and broken ringette princesses! The Rangers just got themselves a real deal fk’n top of the line monster of a Hockey player and are headed to the promised land….

  70. HabFanSince72 says:

    Isn’t it funny how “good Canadian boys” like Brad Richards, Shea Weber and Rick Nash never want to come to a Canadian team?


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Lizardking89 says:

      Maybe cause they all suck?

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Cause and effect?

        All the Canadian teams spend the cap, so they have the wherewithal to compete.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • Lizardking89 says:

          The only team that is even close to being a cup contender is Vancouver and their window is closing. If I was a player I wouldn’t want to play in some of those Canadian markets either I’d want to play for an elite team like New York, Philly or Detroit.

          • commandant says:

            Plus if you are rick nash, the LW spot on the top line in Vancouver is already taken by Daniel Sedin

            He wants
            1) To play with a top centre to inflate his point totals for his next contract.
            2) to play with a cup contender.

            No canadian team gave him those 2 things.

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    • boing007 says:

      Yeah, it’s hilarious.

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  71. smiler2729 says:

    Scott Howson just did his best Reggie Houle imitation with this dumb trade. The Rangers got Nash, the CBJ got a bunch of unspectacular nothings… Kovalenko, Rucinsky and Thibault, those names just send shivers down any Hab fans’ spine…

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  72. Lizardking89 says:

    Wow how in the hell do the Rangers keep getting these superstars and still stay under the cap? I love the Rangers and how Torts coaches that team and I’m so happy he didn’t go to Boston or Toranna.

  73. dhenry1234 says:

    Does this mean that Galchenyuk will be in the AHL/NHL this season? Or still in OHL?

  74. Mark C says:

    Notice anything about those numbers? Like how there treading down and not up. Nash was a 40 goal scorer four years ago, now he’s down to 30, after 3 years of decline. This isn’t alarming? We’re talking about $7.8M in cap space for a power forward who hasn’t bested 33 goals in 3 seasons.

    And yeah, 33+32+30/ 3= 32. I even rounded up for you Nash fans.

  75. Mark C says:

    I would love to have Nash too, but not with his cap hit and costing the rough equivalent of Desharnais, Eller, Beaulieu and a 1st.

  76. ABHabsfan says:

    Calgary and the Habs were no barn-burners the last couple years either so the same could be said of Bourque. I’m not comparing Nash to Bourque by any means but is a lot of dough for 8 goals, more than double

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  77. Mark C says:

    Anyone who knows the difference between an ice skate and an ice cream cone would prefer Nash to Gomez. But that point is immaterial, this trade, and Nash’s value has nothing to do with Gomez.

  78. commandant says:

    While by no means do I think Gomez is comparable or better.

    Only one of the two players has two 70 point seasons in the last 7 years or three in the last 8.

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  79. commandant says:

    Gomez is finished, the sooner we find a way to get rid of him the better.

    What he did his first season here, he was overpaid for, but it was at least a workable situation.

    His last two years? I’m done with him.

    I said to give him a second chance last year at this time… but now, I’ve seen enough.

    As for Redden… Redden was still an NHL player, and was a more valuable piece on the day the Rangers sent him to the AHL, than Gomez is today.

    After two years down there he’s done too though.

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  80. BeeGee says:

    I’ll drive him to Ohio!

  81. gmur says:

    Depends how Molson allows Bergevin to deal with those players, especially Gomez. If there’s a green light to send him to Hamilton or buy him out, pending his play this camp, then there could be additional cap space…

  82. JUST ME says:

    I will never be a tanker. You give it all you got and if it is not enough then …

    I think that in your vision you tend to forget that the habs finished in the dumpster of the league last year and to even consider being a cup pretender is far fetched.

    Next season will be a prove it or ship out season with most of the players on the roster and since far away in the horizon we have potentially good candidates to take over, time is necessary to let the pieces of the puzzle fall in place.

    So we have no other option than to remain hopefull that the players on every level of the organzation seize the opportunities that are there and perform as the should. I think that we will be fighting for around the 10 th spot at the draft meaning that we will do better next season(cannot do worse ) .

    My expectations are not over optimistic cause next season is a transition season. Bergevin said he would take a long hard look at what he has got,i agree with him but he also will have some hard decisions to make once the picture is clearer for him.

    For the fans the overall picture seems obvious but since everything that could go wrong did , we need to live with it and do the right things now that we are back to square one.

  83. Max_a_million says:

    I would say the point is that if you were going to buy him out, you would be looking for someone to sign for that money. All the big fish have come and gone without MB even so much as sticking his pole in the water. All that is left is Ryan, Doan, and I guess Semin. There is no one to even replace Gomez with if you send him down.

    Nash was cheap, Weber is well worth his offer sheet … they didn’t try for any of the big fish. The competition got stronger while we watched.

  84. Cal says:

    Houle was the GM. He pulled the trigger on one bonehead trade after another.
    Gainey gave the Habs a pipeline of prospects, which hasn’t been there since the days of Houle.

  85. Max_a_million says:

    I disagree wholeheartedly with your premise. I think we had a chance to be good without giving up anything of great value. Our goal differential says that we had bad luck, and are better than the worst team in our conference. One thing championship teams usually have that you can not plan for is a healthy season. The Kings were extraordinarily healthy. I think we were one great winger, and a healthy season away from being a strong contender. Life is too short to put off chances to be great!

    Not impressed with our off-season inactivity at all.

  86. HardHabits says:

    You can give it all you got but when you show up to an F1 auto race in a Lada the results are already predestined.

    This is why patience is a virtue as a Habs fan. In the past, the team would have made all kinds of stop gap moves that would have had the team in contention for a possible play-off spot. Thankfully, those days are over.

    As it stands:
    Philly, Pittsburgh, Rangers, Boston, and the SE Division winner are locks for the play-offs. That leaves 3 spots left for 10 teams to slug it out over. I estimate the Habs will finish between 10th and 13th in the East, and probably 20th to 25th over-all. Seems like a wasted year which could be better serverd by a 26th to 30th finish.

    We will know come the trade deadline the real potential for the organization at that point when the team and the farm will assessed. Until then it’s steady as she goes.

  87. commandant says:

    I agree….. last year was a year where everything that could possibly go wrong did go wrong.

    Our goal differential says the same team should finish higher in the standings than we did last year.

    We were the most injured team in the NHL last year, I don’t expect that to continue again. A full year out of Markov, and Gionta will make a difference.

    Guys like Subban, Eller, and Patches are young and continue to improve.

    Our depth is much better than last year.

    I don’t know if thats enough to get us in the playoffs, but its enough to that we will fight for a spot in the dance, not be looking at first overall.

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  88. Phil C says:

    I agree that the cap space is pretty useless after training camp has started. This is why I doubt Gomez is going to Hamilton, if he was, he should already be gone.

    We don’t know if they tried for any big fish or not. Suter had inquiries from 20 teams. I doubt Weber would sign an offer sheet from Montreal. Montreal was not on Nash’s list, so nothing Bergevin could do in that case.

  89. ont fan says:

    I get a little tired of these comments: while we did nothing: while we watched: the UFA’s could have been ours if we put that kind of package together. Suter and Parise were never coming to Canada, Weber toured North America giving only a select few a chance,we weren’t one of them, we weren’t on Nash’s radar screen or Doan’s either. Gomez going to Hamilton or not isn’t going to make any difference. Forget the quick fix people, the calvary isn’t coming. It’s a 5 year plan whether you like it or not.

  90. Chris says:

    Washington and Anaheim were a lock for the playoffs going into last season. How did that work out? Washington made it, but it was tooth and nail all season long, while Anaheim was brutal.

    Boston lost their all-world goaltender and are hoping that Tuukka Rask can carry the load on his own. If he can’t, the Bruins could be in a bit of trouble.

    Pittsburgh should be a lock, but who knows what kind of mental games their first-round exit have played. Washington entered a funk that they’ve never come out of after losing to Montreal. Could Pittsburgh, who were completely exposed in that series, be in trouble? I doubt it, personally, but it also wouldn’t shock me.

  91. HardHabits says:

    Anaheim was not a lock in my mind last season, nor this. Where did you get that? They were and still are a bubble team.

    As fro the East, the only thing that could possibly hamper Pittsburgh is that they are in a tough division. Last season 4 out 5 ATL teams made it. Possibly the Devils will flounder due to the SCF hangover and losing Parise.

    As for Pittsburgh’s psyche, they have a bone-fide back-up for Fleury in Vokoun.

  92. Max_a_million says:

    Perhaps not, but a good GM has to sell his product, sell his team, find ways to get things done. Could he have made a great offer for Nash, and flown out to see Nash and convince him to change his mind about the clubs he wants to play for? Could he have put together an offer sheet for Weber, and convinced him to come to Montreal? Could he trade for Bobby Ryan? … obviously he won’t win every time, but he should win sometimes. The Rangers gave up nothing but spare parts and money, Philly is giving up nothing but money … the Montreal Canadiens have money to give up!
    If we have a good GM, he needs to win sometimes. Especially when the only thing he needs to give up is the one thing we have in abundance, money.

  93. Max_a_million says:

    Then get a GM that can sell the best team in history of hockey!

    I am sick of this tired little sisters of the poor routine. It’s the fricken Montreal Canadiens, let’s act like it. Oh geez no one wants to play here, we should just be happy to suck and settle for leftovers. Boo hoo hoo, woe is us.

    We have seven and a half million burning a hole in our pocket, and we are not going to use it. I can tell you Glen Sather and Paul Holmgren, no matter what you think of them, are not crying over spilled milk, and playing the woe is us routine. They would both plug that slot with a top notch highly paid winger in a heartbeat. Plus the taxes in New York and Philadelphia (New Jersey) are high as well.

  94. Steven says:

    Well, that sure was a lot of positivity…

    For the DD ahead of Galy thing, I DID write that the order isn’t indicative of anything, so don’t worry about that. Same situation for St Denis.

    As for toughness, there’s free agency for that. I didn’t bother to take that into account but you could fill out your team’s toughness from there.

  95. kempie says:

    I’d lob a $2M 1 yr. offer at him.

  96. krob1000 says:

    Food for thought though:
    Why is it fair for better players to perform well enough to earn more money than their peers…but owners have to play on a level playing field?
    The problems are plentiful in a non cap world…but there are problems in a cap world…which is better? hard to say……but I can see where some of the wealthier owners would want to exercise every possible advantage they have…they are competitors too…..and have far more money on the line.
    The issues can debated in both directions easily….it is a tough situation…you don’t watn the Yankees/BoSox syndrome…but why should the NHL float a playoff team? why should teams be forced to dismantle after winning? should there be a cap bonus for existing contracts if you win…ie Chicago…yeah the BRuins and Kings are in a better spot on those frints but still the issue is real.

  97. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Yeah like that’s going to happen if it hasn’t happened yet. He’s had his chance. There’s a lot of young players who would give more, do as much and take less.

  98. Habfan10912 says:

    Got to agree with Thomas on this one. AK is what he is.

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  100. Kooch7800 says:

    Morning is one tough dude

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