Multimedia from Tuesday practice


Jacques Martin, not generally noted for comedic gifts, got off a good one after practice.
When Chantal Machabée of RDS misspoke and asked the coach about Carey Price’s selection as Molson Cup winner for November, Martin looked puzzled at first, then added, in French:
“You must be clairvoyant.”

And Hal Gill is uncertain how the style of his Movember ‘stash:

“I’m not sure about a Fu Manchu,” Gill said. “I’ll just let it do what it does.”

AUDIO of Jacques Martin


  1. j2w4habs25 says:

    I wanna see what Gomez will bring when he gets back. Will he get trashed to the wolves or will he make everyone proud. I cant wait to see maybe he will be the most loved habs by scoring and making plays when he gets back. But if not then…. whooo knows!!!

    Carey Price #31

    • nunacanadien says:

      Gomez will go back to his usual skate around fast to make it look like he’s earning his $7 Million when really he is doing nothing but coughing up the puck time after time. For all the assists he gets, he probably gives up the pucks more often that end up in goals against. Anyone track the number of time Gomez gives up the puck and a shot is taken on the habs net?

      • nunacanadien says:

        This shows us the way that Gauthier and Martin have built the club, around Gainey’s theory of fast small skaters. Problem is they can’t crash the net. That was the NHL’s next big marketing push was to crash the net to make for more exciting hockey. But no, the habs seemed to have got the message that goon hockey was no longer going to be allowed in the new NHL. Well they forgot the first part of that message! Crashing the net is short for “we’re gonna allow the goons to crash the net” and Gainey did not get that. Instead we got a rebuild around the promise of no goon hockey and the habs went small and short. Which is a good formula if you are a lazy General Manager who only has to sign all the left over players who incidently are also small and short. Well Mr. Bob Gainey for all the millions Gilette paid you to lead the club, you took us down the wrong street. The Short and Small street has only given us nothing but injuries to our key players!

  2. Duracell3 says:

    Saku and Teemu were great tonight, that is all.

  3. SeriousFan09 says:

    Brendan Gallagher with his 2nd hat trick of the season tonight in his 2nd 4-point game of the season. 14 goals in 13 games, his march for 50 in 50 continues.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  4. HardHabits says:

    Just to put things into perspective. Even though the Habs are coming off of a 3 game win streak:

    There are 15 teams that have played 11 games so far. On that list only Winnipeg and Boston have less points than Montreal.

    The Habs are currently sitting pretty at the 24th spot over-all. However 3 teams below them in the standings have 2 games in hand each. Of those three, two would pass Montreal with 1 win and the other with a win and a tie.

    The next two months have the Habs playing 17 games on the road and 11 at home.

    No pressure, but losses on Friday and Saturday and the tank avatar is coming out.

    • Say Ash says:

      At the craps table, do you always bet on 7?

    • JayBee says:

      Yep. We’re not out of the woods yet.

    • Habso says:

      what are you talking about HH? We got rid of Pearn, it’s all clear sailing from here don’tcha know?

      • habstrinifan says:

        While I dont expect ‘smooth sailing’, I think the hab, under the ‘new directive’, will be playing up to or close to the promise of summer. The problem might be that teams like Ottawa (coaching) Leafs (maturization) may be better than expected so it will be a dogfight for playoffs position.

    • stevieboy says:

      Gomez is a supporter and guide of Eller. Thats pretty selfless and leaderly right there. Saving grace?


    • HabinBurlington says:

      I see you have looked at the standings HH and done some big time deducing. Just a reminder, people here should be aware that prior to the 3 game winning streak the team was not playing well thus the results you have been kind enough to highlight.

      The opitmists will look at the PPera (Post Pearn era)
      The pessimists will look at the PPera (Pre Pearn era)

      Thus having all of us look at the PP Era , making us all Habs fans.

    • nunacanadien says:

      Being at the bottom of the league this early in the season does not give Gauthier a lot of breathing room. We are hedging that our small and tiny players will lead us through the season. Unfortunately the new league is still trying to find ways around the new rules of no head shots. You have teams trying to find a way to play goon hockey. Once they figure out what they can and can’t do, you can bet the physical game will pull Montreal down unless it is ready to respond to the physical hockey. Martin’s philosophy is not to take penalties. That does not bode well, as that means Jacques Martin is ready to accept being a wimp all year. We don’t want wimp hockey. But Martin basically said he’s gotta go with what was given to him. And Martin and everyone knows the key players on the Habs are small short tiny players who can easily be pushed off the puck. Maybe it is time we as fans ask for Gauthier’s head, who has hedged his bet on an NHL rule that is not being enforced. Goon hockey is king in the NHL. Gauthier is not a GM that is good for the habs as he does not believe in goon hockey.

  5. SmartDog says:

    Vancouver scores first on Calgary – Higgins with a great move on the breakaway. It’s his SIXTH goal, playing on the 3rd line. Wow, the Gomez deal just gets better and better.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • ooder says:

      are u nuts?
      higgins has went from the rangers to the flames to the panthers to the canucks without doing anything
      this is the first year, where for a little stretch he is showing a tad of consistence offensively
      The 2010-11 Stanley Cup was not won, but given

      • Timo says:

        Well, you have to agree that 6 goals is more than 0. Can’t argue with the basic math.

        • ooder says:

          but do you see how Gomez brings teh puck up the ice?????!?!

          The 2010-11 Stanley Cup was not won, but given

          • habbernack says:


            ability is what you’re capable of doing.
            attitude determines how you do it

        • Bigdawg says:

          boy do i regret giving up higgins – in 140 games since he left the CH – 26 goals for a total 50 points – bring me the cup already!

          gomez sucks we know but so does higgins. To make your point focus on the other guy.

          • Clay says:

            …and how many goals does Gomez have in the same span, pray tell?

            I don’t want Higgins back either, but I would take him in an instant over Gomez. Especially given the salary disparity. Gomez is an anchor. A washed-up, 7 million dollar a year anchor.

            Anyway, I’ve never been captain in 16 years in the NHL. But that didn’t stop me being a leader in my own way.
            Guy Lafleur

      • Clay says:

        @ ooder…
        Gomez would certainly have bounced around the same way Higgins did, save that his astronomical salary made him unmovable.

        Anyway, I’ve never been captain in 16 years in the NHL. But that didn’t stop me being a leader in my own way.
        Guy Lafleur

    • Bripro says:

      Pretty sad, isn’t it.
      Although you have to admit, this is the first time Higgins has shown consistent effort since the Habs traded him.
      He did nothing last year. Or the year before.

    • slapshot777 says:

      SD how can you even compare the deal of Higgins for Gomez, after Higgins has played for four teams since the Habs. I guess the Rangers couldn’t have been too trilled with him they too traded him away.

      Please read link to see how good this player was doing. I’d say other than Mcdonough, who I really hated to lose and was the key in the whole deal. The rest were basically swapping used parts.

      Tell me who else Higgins played for?

      I guess, after tearing up the league for the Flames, they decided to give someone else a chance to benefit from this great talent. Florida, didn’t know what to do so they traded him to Vancouver, only reason he is getting a few goals now is because he is on a good team. I don’ t see Higgins getting 30 goals on a regular basis, in fact he would be hard pressed to get 20 goals on a regular basis.

      overall stats for Higgins:

      Other than the first three years, with the Habs he never reached 20 goals again. Yet when he was here we wanted him gone. Now we were wishing he was back. What a joke.

      To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

      • HardHabits says:

        I see it another way. Higgins has talent but the Montreal night life chewed him up and spit him out. Yes he’s on a good team now but he is producing nevertheless. IMO he’s cleaned up his act as it appears and is now playing to his potential. He could very well score 30 goals this season and that as a 3rd liner. Not too shabby if you ask me. Certainly better than Gomez.

    • GoGioGo says:

      Here’s the problem with Higgins. Players who get traded often play great against their former teams. Which means, soon enough Higgins will be putting up huge numbers against almost every team. Stop trading the guy!

  6. mamacat says:

    Eller vid.
    Speaks of confidence coming from coach. Doing great now!
    maybe under another coach he would be more comfortable.

  7. Matt. says:

    This comment is on TSN, from massivehabsfan
    2 hours ago
    eller was manhandling the bruins thugs both nights of the home and home…along with maxpac, and cole, i think its safe to say ‘les boys’ have 3 of the top 5 power forwards in the league (nash, and perry have to be there too)…with kostityin probably at #6.
    and for anyone that thinks these boys can’t play tough…just try them. the reason that the habs don’t fight much is simply because they aren’t challenged much….teams know better.
    if you want to get cheap or dirty…well, you have the fans and the police to answer to.
    ole ole ole…25 is on the

  8. Mavid says:

    well i live in Ottawa…they think the cup should just be handed to them right now…worse than…yes I will say it Leaf fans…playing like headless chickens…I like that…

    second place is just the first loser

  9. ProHabs says:

    Just noticed this article. What the heck is Stubbs doing pumping this guys tires.

  10. HabFanSince72 says:

    Sens losing 5-3. They will be at the bottom of the standings pretty soon. They play like headless chickens.

  11. Pucknut says:

    What do you think it would take to get Eric Staal out of Carolina & into a Habs uni?
    He seems to miss Cole & could really tear up the Bell with his wingman.
    Along with any one of Patches, Kosts, Gio or Cammy the Habs would have 3 very solid lines.
    Gomez, Roster player, prospect & a draft choice or 2?
    Is it even possible?

  12. Mavid says:

    given that Ottawa has won 6 in a row I am not sure who I hate more Boston or Ottawa…I wish they could both lose…

    second place is just the first loser

  13. Psycho29 says:

    You wonder…Is it really possible that we originated from monkeys?
    And then you see Nathan Horton, and you just know we did 🙂

  14. VancouverHab says:

    From today:

    “Eller was somewhat alarmed last season when two other young forwards, Max Pacioretty and David Desharnais, were called up from the AHL’s Hamilton Bulldogs during the season and almost immediately moved ahead of him on the depth chart with their strong play.

    He said the veteran who helped him most during that time with encouraging words and good advice was Gomez, the team’s highest-paid player whose job may now be in jeopardy because of Eller and Desharnais.”

  15. RGM says:

    David Arrigo just tweeted that he’s putting the finishing touches on the 2011-12 edition of Carey’s Remembrance Day mask. 🙂

    GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is our year!
    RGM’s Movember page:

  16. Stev.R says:

    Jagr and Selanne should be captains of the Allstar teams. That is all.

  17. Ian Cobb says:

    A note from Rejean Houle about our Summit Children’s Charity donation.

    Dear Mr. Cobb,
    It is our pleasure to offer you a team signed hockey stick for your event at Baton Rouge.

    Please note that Réjean Houle will bring the stick and meet your group at the restaurant November 19.

    Hope everything goes well for your HIO group again this year and don’t hesitate to contact me for more information.

    Best regards

    Sylvie Nadeau
    Canadiens de Montréal

    Our 5th annual 2011 Hab’s Fan Summit is fast approaching, Nov. 18, 19, 20.

    Everyone is welcome to any of our events, just identify yourself as a HIO member.

    Friday night at Hurley’s pub on big screen Hamilton Bull Dogs playing at the Bell Center.

    We are staying at the Novotel hotel, discount rates at 866-861-6112 Tell them you are with HIO to get your discount.

    We will all meet and greet at Hurley’s pub Friday eve. on Crescent St.
    Some of us will be having supper there, and name tags will be given out as we watch the Bull Dogs on the big screen playing at the Bell Center..
    Everyone is welcome to join us. Ware you team colors! and enjoy the evening.

    Saturday morning, breakfast is at Chez Cora’s at 8 or 8:30am. 1240 Drummond St.
    You can order a la cart and everyone gets 15% discount off your bill.

    After breakfast we walk over to the Bell Center for the Hall of Fame Tour at 10:30am and the Bell Center Tour is at 11:30am. You need to purchase a $5:50 ticket for the Bell Center tour.

    After the tours there will be a professional presentation and press conference put on by former concussed hockey players. Kerry Goulet, Keith Primeau and other players who are Involved in educating the effects of concussion, depression and neurology rehabilitation.
    (location is the Novotel hotel, just up the street)

    At 3pm the Children’s Foundation charity raffle at the Baton Rouge restaurant 1050 Mountain St.. bring one item each to donate if possible, so everyone gets a gift to go home with. We have raised over $6000 to date.

    Then our pre game dinner. With guests.

    After that we walk across the street to the Ranger and Hab game.

    After the game the 2nd floor of Hurley’s pub is reserved for us again, to celibrate the win. Anyone may join us, just identify yourself as a HIO member.

    Please be generous with your charity raffle gifts and your purchase of raffle tickets. It is a way for the HIO community to give back to less fortunate kids. Our group HIO fans have raised over $6000 to date for the kids.

    Enjoy talking hockey and meeting your wonderful HIO community at this years Summit.

    See ya there.

    Ian Cobb
    HIO Fan Summit Organizer (613-968-9807) if you need anything.

  18. Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

    Two long layoffs this early in the year mean we’re probably playing 6 games in 4 nights to close out the season eh? Who the hell makes the schedule for this league anyway?

    They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

  19. thehabsfan29 says:

    so i was thinking a lot about it and maybe we can work out a trade with the flames

    AK + 2nd for bourque?

    or maybe

    AK+Weber+2nd for Bourque and jackman (or moss)


  20. LL says:

    The term dumb jock is not PC, very insulting, and generalizes a large group of male athletes, that unfairly discriminates against probably very smart and spiritually evolved people.

    With the exception of the Boston Bruins, of course. 😉

    Thornton sitting in the box, Julien taking fits. I never thought I would cheer for the Sens.

  21. Habfan10912 says:

    Sens score. Goons fight at preceeding face-off. Have the nesn. Feed so sound muted.

  22. HardHabits says:

    I think I have the solution for the Gomez situation. Make him wear number 91 again. That should Pearn™ him.

  23. HabinBurlington says:

    So I am concerned that this layoff in the schedule could cause JM to forget about the Pearn Job Relocation Program. My concern is not so much about the insertion of Gomez (no Gomez and insertion jokes allowed) but rather is JM going to now and change the complexion of our 4th line and start bumping our talented scoring forwards to the 4th line.

    I think the effects of our current 4th line are easily underappreciated, and specifically by JM. Those shifts of having 2 rugged styled forwards attacking the opposing Dmen with the forecheck and having a center actually win faceoffs help set tempo and keep the others teams a little in check.

    I am hopeful JM remembers that Palushaj was not a 4th liner and that the only players that should ever comprise our 4th line are White, Blunden, Nokia, Darche and Moen. Any insertion of Gomez, DD, Gio etc and this effectiveness is lost. Eller could contibute to that line but really like him with AK.

    I wouldn’t be all against a 3rd line of AK/Gomez/Eller, keeping DD on line with MPac/Cole, Cammy/Plex/Gio and use Moen/Nokia/Blunden on 4th. Sorry Mr. Darche, but that is economics of NHL.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Dead on Burl. Good balance on the top 3. The 4th line needs to play a different role.

    • Bripro says:

      100% on your last paragraph. And keep Eller at centre. Gomez would have to keep playing north south, and not roam all over the place.
      I love his speed and his success in getting it out of the zone, but he’s not showing enough offensive force.
      He played well with AK last year, and those two (AK & Eller) are on fire now.

  24. New says:

    I gotta nominate: bleedhabs81 on HIO at November 1, 2011 6:26 pm from this thread for the HIO post of all time. There should be some sort of award for this type of astute, concise, and absolutely visionary summing up of…well…of pretty much everything.

    Keep up the great work bleedhabs81. You are appreciated.

  25. habsgod says:

    hi everyone how was your halloween? mine was great especially this, that happend last night:here’s a true story about halloween,i took my 10 year old son out for trick or treating tonight here in regina sask, and we go up to this house and a guy in a leafs shirt answers the door when my son yells trick or treat! and my son says’ dad look he cheers for the leafs! and guy says hi buddy do you and your dad cheer for the leafs too? ! my son says to the guy no my dad and i don’t cheer for losers! hahahahaha hahahahaha that was funny and the look on his face when he got told by a 10 yr old! and the guy, says what team do you and your dad cheer for,my son says god’s team the montreal canadiens! they’re the only team that matters! i was/ have never been prouder to be a habs fan or to have my son as a habs fan! he’s a 4th generation habs fan!

  26. The Cat says:

    I guess that JM ‘comedic quip’ is what happens when you lower the expectations of your surroundings for so many years. When JM jokes -its an event, when PG speaks -its an event.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  27. christophor says:

    Just one fan’s opinion of how the Gomez situation should be handled:

    (i) Gomez can’t be inserted back into the lineup until the Habs lose back to back games. Too much pressure

    (ii) Even if he’s ready to go before that, management should keep it hush hush, flip us their little Markov-ish shpeal about “we’re evaluating him and he’s getting closer everyday”. They don’t want it to be known he’s a healthy scratch.

    (iii) Once those back to back losses come (and they probably will in the next few weeks) put ‘im in there at center.

    (iv) He’s got 10 games from there to do something with his life, or to show he’s at least as productive/defensively-responsible as whoever he’s replacing at center.

    *(v) or just put him in earlier if Lar Zeller or DD get hurt.

    *(vi) or wait till the Habs are passing through Dallas, TX and tip off the authorities that Gomez is an illegal hispanic immigrant stealing a good American boy’s hockey job.

    • The Cat says:

      The anti-Gomez bandwagon really is gathering some steam. Yet my anti-Markov bandwagon attempt cant seem to get off the ground.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • christophor says:

        Problem is, wagons aren’t meant to be airborne.

        The comparative difficultly of building a steam-powered wagon, however, is minimal.

        Kidding aside, your dis-analogy’s right: the anti-Markov bandwagon is far more difficult to construct than the anti-Gomez bandwagon; hence your problem.

  28. HardHabits says:

    Which is the most likely to occur?

    a) Gomez scores a goal,


    b) Gomez gets traded, waived, demoted or bought out,


    c) Gomez never scores again and finishes his contract as a Hab.


    So let me ask you this. The new improved Gomez?? Pffft! He looks staler than the old washed up Gomez. I am thinking projecting him for 10 goals this season is laughable. He looks like he’ll be lucky to break 30 points.


    I also of the opinion, along the lines of Captain aHab, that Gomez’ leash has now been reduced to a choker chain with a handle strap attached.

    • stevieray says:

      Well he hasn’t scored in 43 games …..
      Mr Molson is certainly gettin’ good bang for the bucks there ..
      nuff said ..partner !

    • Bripro says:

      b) won’t happen ’till at least next june, (buyout time), so I’ll say….

      • stevieray says:

        Apparently management don’t care if he scores or not …when he plays he gets top 6 ice time with no results … sure makes me puke when I see him with # 11 on his back …just sayin partnar !

        • HabinBurlington says:

          If he is not successful after being given ample time to regain health and have two healthy wingers, then the plug must be pulled. I have a twisted hope that he can produce with 2 good wingers. I am a realist also, if with 2 good wingers he cannot produce/contribute then a very expensive pin must be pulled from the grenade and efforts must be maximized to end this story.

        • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

          Pretty sure he has info on what JM writes in his notes behind the bench. JM, for obvious reasons, doesn’t want that info getting into our hands….

          “All goals and no 1-2-2 make Jacques a dull boy”.

          They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

    • G-Man says:

      Gomez has been playing better than last year- it’s tough when Gio- the scorer- doesn’t, and the other on the line contributes….nothing. So, DD or Eller will be bumped when Gomez is ready to play, and I believe the coach is leaning towards sitting Eller (He cited 2 errors from last game- 2 that resulted in a Gooins goal and another that came close). JM is big on being defensively responsible with/without the puck.
      Gomez does add veteran depth on the team whether you like it or not, and coaches like the veterans to carry the load. I am hoping Gomez does just to halt the incessant whining about him.


      When in doubt, blame PP.

      • Bripro says:

        Gomez WAS playing better. Especially in pre-season.
        Crashed the net, took shots (for a change), and skated more north south than last year, but not in the last couple of games.
        You’re right about his depth, and I think a lot of the contribution is in the dressing room.
        Earlier on RDS, Eller was saying how he gives full credit to Gomez for encouragement, and hints on what (not) to do.
        The only real problem is his salary. He brings game, just not enough to justify Sather’s (and subsequently Gainey’s) brain dead manoeuvre.

  29. Rugger says:

    Finally have power back – went off 2 minutes into Saturday’s game!

  30. savethepuck says:

    I live in the suburbs of Saint John but I unfortunately don’t get to many Sea Dogs games because I find it hard enough to put aside 3 or 4 nights a week to ensure I get to watch the Habs on RDS, TSN or CBC. I was talking to a colleague at work today who has season tickets for the Dogs, He obviously keeps a close eye on the team, so I asked him what he thought of Beaulieu. His answer was “can that kid ever fight”. I was shocked, I watched him in training camp and was very impressed with his skill, puck moving ability, etc…I had no clue that according to this guy, he’s beating up a lot of people in the Q and basically never losing. To be honest, I could care less if the guy can fight or not as much as I could care less whether or not PK can fight because I don’t think that’s what these guys should bring to the Habs. I just thought that some of you on here would be interested in the opinion of someone who watches him on a regular basis. He is 6’3″ and only 18 so I’m sure he’ll fill out his frame too.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

  31. JD_ says:

    Just came across the news of Paul Leka’s unfortunate passin’.

    Who is Paul Leka, you ask?

    This is Paul Leka.

    I think Bell Centre fans attendin’ the next rout of an opposin’ team should be behooved to consider chantin’ the tune at a solemn half-tempo.

  32. OinkOinkOink says:

    From what I see the Montreal Canadiens can get away with taking theyre fans for granted. Theres so many of us that they dont mind if they piss off a few because theres many more out there desperate to spend their money backing a losing team.

    The Gomez trade set the team back years in that we are giving a huge % of our salary cap space to an underachiever who is long past his best. We also gave up a solid prospect that will play on the top 4 of the NYR defence for years to go.

    I’m from Europe and if a soccer club ran their team this way there would be thousands of fans on their doorstep baying for GM blood. But here in Montreal we’re so apatheitic that we accept mediocrity and do nothing more than moan and bitch to voice our concerns.

    A petition with a few hundred names will do nothing to get anyones attention but when half a million people follow the canadiens on facebook why wont a few thousand sign up to say they want change?!/groups/293500977335631/

    Join the group if you agree:



    • i like the part when he used all caps to bat an obvious point home

      • OinkOinkOink says:

        In Europe all football clubs have an official fan group who have a voice and a say in the way the team in being run. Montreal Canadiens fans have no voice because the team dont want them to have a say in the way the team is run.

        Do you not see anything wrong with this?

        • Chris says:

          Not all football fan groups in Europe have a say in how the club is run. Some very low-level clubs do, but the vast majority don’t.

          And yes, I do see something wrong in the fans having a voice. Fans often think with their hearts instead of their heads. Fans rarely think long-term. Fans almost universally over-value their own club’s players and undervalue those from other clubs.

          In short, I think such an arrangement would be a disaster.

          • OinkOinkOink says:

            I am of course not implying that fans should have a direct say in the day to day running of the team. Trades, line combinations, coaching changes etc. The fact that the fans get to choose the 3 stars shows how uneducated the average armchair fan is.
            What I am sugggesting is that the fans, the ones who finance the whole franchise, should have a Union with a chairman and board comprising of educated people and hockey fans who meet with club officials every 3months/year to express any concerns they have with the direction in which the club is being run.
            If the team refuses to listen to these concerns then there are ways the fans can make them listen if the union is large enough and powerful enough.
            The fans no1 concern is winning but the clubs number 1 concern is making money.
            Until the fans speak up the club will just carry on making money.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            @oink, you do realize the contract scenarios are completely different in the European Football Leagues. There are no salary cap implications. Look currently at the Tevez situation in the Premiership. While they are currently stuck with a prima donna who no longer wants to play there, when they do get rid of him, there is no penalty to next years team contracts, or even the contracts this year. That is a huge factor in Gomez you are ignoring or perhaps underestimating.

          • OinkOinkOink says:

            @ HabInBurlington
            The only way for a NHL team to eat a contract is to put the player on waiver and send him to the minors ala Souray @Edmonton.
            This way the club is still responsibility to pay his salary but his contract has no cap implications on the team.

          • are you serious oink oink?

            this is NEWS!!!

          • OinkOinkOink says:

            Did you read HabInBurlington post before you laid on the sarcasm?

          • what sarcasm? i had never heard that you could send a player down

            tell me more of this “hamilton” you speak of!

        • savethepuck says:

          If Canadien’s fans had a say in how the team was run, each year would have a turnover of 90 different skaters. Just read the comments on here from all the armchair GM’s.

          “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
          Carey Price

        • punkster says:

          Ya, just what I want…a bunch of the HI/O posters, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of other Habs fans, having a voice in the way the team is run.

          Yes, I see something horribly wrong with this concept.

          (caps employed to ensure message getting through)

          Buy hey, it’s a free country. Knock yourself out.

          ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • HabinBurlington says:

            But just think how good Ribeiro, Sk, Higgins, Grabo, OB, Dags, Halak, Komo, Ryder, et al are going to look once the fans bring them all back in the fold.

          • HardHabits says:

            You think the “room” was divided.

        • bleedhabs81 says:

          There is so much wrong with this!!!

          Most fans are idiots and should not be allowed to leave the house without a custom fit Jofa.

          I definitely don’t want the populace to be able to have their say in the team.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        In fairness, hard to argue against any of those ten points.

        • punkster says:

          Not so:
          – Since 1,5 and 8 deal with the stats of an under performing player they may be the only valid points
          – 2, 6, 7, 10 are bogus and only opinions of a fan
          – 3 and 9 fail to take into account actual CAP rules and their consequences to the team
          – 4, well everyone knows this was a result of finally getting rid of Pearn, the real cancer in the room

          ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • OinkOinkOink says:

            2. Not an opinion – when Gomez is on ice at centre Eller and Desharnais are not.
            6. Not an opinion – check the stats its a fact. These players are less productive when playinng with Gomez.
            7. I guess this is an opinion but they’re also a basic premises of sports phychology.
            10. Yes its my opinion but its also the opinion of the majority of fans and those in the media.

            3 & 9. These are facts. I obviously understand the cap workings much better than you. Maybe you should learn it before you shoot down peoples points.

            Maybe sir it is you that is bogus?

          • punkster its true hes got you beat, apparently if you send a player down to the minors, his salary no longer goes against the cap

            i googled it, it turns out its true

          • punkster says:

            Donkey gonads.
            – 2 and 6 are your opinions based on your slanted view of Gomez related to his contract. Whether anyone gets more or less ice time or more or less points simply because Gomez is playing or not is bogus.
            – 7 is now chalked up to basic sports psychology? Ya, whatevs.
            – 10, like I said…opinion.
            And please review the CAP rules and your numbers regarding sending him through waivers and calling him back up. You may not understand them quite as well as you claim.

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • punkster says:

            mofo…problem being the waiver treatment…that’s where I think there may be misunderstanding. Does he have to clear waivers going down and coming back? How much are the Habs on the hook for in either case? I’m not exactly sure myself but I don’t believe it’s cut and dried as most think.

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • im just fxckin with ya

          • punkster says:

            mofo…why you, I otta….

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • OinkOinkOink says:

            2. If Gomez is on the ice then other centes arent – this doesn’t need further explaining. If you don’t understand then so be it.
            6. Check the stats. The wingers I mentioned have worse numbers on Gomez line.
            As for the cap debate- who said anything about recalling him once sending him to the minors? We leave him there until his contract expires. If we do that not another cent of his contract will come off our cap.

          • your blowin my mind here ive never heard of this sending down scenario

          • punkster says:

            Your mind is clearly made up though we’re down to disagreeing on 2, 6 and a CAP debate. Like I said, knock yourself out.

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • dhenry1234 says:


        • Bripro says:

          So loud!
          Why is everybody screaming?
          Besides, what’s this about idiot fans? I’ll have you know I carry my Jofa everywhere!
          And as for armchair GMs (most of us here), what have we been screaming for?
          More ice time for Cole……RIGHT?
          What happened after they listened to us….huh?
          Yeah, that’s what I thought. We’re not so dumb.

  33. Timo says:

    Man, this feels like summer again, and I don’t mean the weather.

  34. Psycho29 says:

    On the CJAD newscast before the 4:30 news, they played a clip of Hal Gill saying “Nobody’s tried growing a Hitler moustache yet”….
    Rick Moffatt said it was in poor taste and Aaron Rand said maybe sensitivity training was in order for Gill….
    I agree that public figures sometimes have to watch what they say, but I don’t think Gill meant it in an insensitive way.

  35. chilli says:

    Any of you armchair gm’s still out there?: Bobby Lou ranked 39th out of 40 goalies in save percentage at .869. (The Blues’ Jaroslav Halak was the only netminder beneath Luongo at .843.)

    Thank you Bob for drafting Price and lending your voice on sticking with him.


    • V says:

      Amazing how many people want Emelin in to replace guys that have been getting the job done.

      When Markov comes back, a bunch of things will shift and as long as we are winning we should stick with what we have and make any changes based on what works best with Markov in.

    • Chris says:

      Amazing that we’re making judgements like this when, just 3 games ago, that goalie you are citing was ranked right down there in the basement with Luongo and Halak.

      Luongo and Halak have all the time in the world to turn around their seasons. Or not. But boy oh boy, some Habs fans are really tempting the Karma Police this season. 🙂

  36. DearyLeary says:

    I’m so excited for Carey’s Power ‘stache to make a comeback. He was unbelievable last Movember.

  37. TINMAN17 says:

    Just wondering, does Emelin suck or is it the language barrier? I can only guess that when Markov returns that Emelin becomes a regular if not semi regular fixture as his line-mate. I know there was some discussion here last week as to why Diaz over Emelin against the bigger/more physical teams. Am I far off thinking he will see immediate ice time with Markov’s return? Who sits then when Campoli is good to go?

    Born and Bred in Enemy Territory (Boston).

    • acerider8 says:

      It’s a good question. I’m sure some of it dends on how everyone is playing at the time of Markov’s return. Again, it’s great to have depth at D because additonal injuries, large or small, are inevitable.

      The other thing to consider is giving guys like Spacek and Gill, who are on the wrong side of 35, a breather every now and then as we get deeper into th season. That could prove to very beneficial come playoff time. Skillsy and Spac would both greatly benefit from a 65-70 game load.

      I’m not sure if they’ll carry 8 Defenseman, however. When Markov and Campoli return, you have to think someone is headed to Hamilton. Emelin seems like the likely candidate, but you have to juggle his ego a bit and the fact that he can leverage going back to the KHL.

    • eric says:

      emelin is getting the OB treatment

  38. acerider8 says:

    I know we awaiting Markov (hopefully playing before the end of November), but what is Campoli’s status? Can we expect him back by the end of the Month as well? Solid player that will add nice depth to a position that is always in need of depth:

    Also, I imagine Emelin will get 1 of the games in the back-to-back, but who sits? Diaz possibly? Or maybe Martin leaves it alone if the Habs win on Friday night.

    • Mats Naslund says:

      Campoli is out until December – the last I heard.

      Emelin should be in. You could pick any one of Diaz, Weber or Spacek to sit in favor of Emelin at this point. They all do things reasonably well, but are each duplicated by the other two in terms of what they provide to the team.

  39. The Pickle says:

    TSN needs to send Natasha and Kate out here to cover the Habs

  40. munch17 says:

    I know this post will probably get booed ( if there were booing on blogs) but I do not think that Gomez is the Devil re-incarnate( not an intentional pun).
    I think he does some things very well and there is a reason he ended up with a high salary ( although a bit ridiculously high).
    I don’t pay his salary so I take it out of the equation.
    I think he is guy who actually plays better against the tougher teams ( e.g. vs Philly in playoffs he was our best forward in last game).
    Give him Cole and MaxPac- he will outperform DD.
    I like DD but he is a player who will get his points when we are ahead in a game and does little in our end. The initial plan was for him to be a winger with Eller and AK – I think that would be a good fourth line and 45 -15 -32 would be a great 4th line ( sorry 52 – although JM would probably sit 45).

    • bleedhabs81 says:


      I am not booing you because of you Gomez comment (I kind of agree). I am booing because of your 4th line.

      Really, Eller, AK and DD on what is typically your grinder line????

      If you had said 3rd line, I would have agreed with you… but you said 4th and you can’t take it back… so BOOOOO.

    • avatar_58 says:

      Actually the way Gionta is playing I really hope they don’t stick him with Gomez. Gio seems to be missing something that the rest of the team has found during this winning streak.

      He IS the captain isn’t he? So what’s his deal?

      • Rugger says:

        I agree, as bad as Gomez has been in Montreal, it is not all his fault. I seem to recall many times last year with him putting goals on Gionta’s stick that shoulda gone in but didn’t.

    • CharlieHodgeFan says:

      I’m booing you, cause that’s what we do.

      I actually think it’s early in the game on seeing DD – the kid is very impressive. It’s late in the universe on seeing Gomez – I don’t pay his salary, but I wonder if his salary is what gives him value. I see a funny guy in his career decline coming off a year that would have gotten a player earning a million released. I’m wondering if he will remain on the team because he is so expensive, and somehow, there has to be value found somewhere with the guy. He’s a third liner, but quite possibly the team’s spare part center.
      We shall see, as he gets the chance to prove people wrong.

    • eric says:

      I don’t know if you’ve been watching any games but the wingers that play with DD become productive where as the wingers that play with Gomez become non productive munch 17

  41. Lots of talk about re-alignment today. What do you guys think about the breakdown Bruce Peter (EOTP contributing editor) thought up on his site, Puck Worlds?

    Seriousfan09 has started a Movember team named McPhee’s Irregulars. Donate to him, or me or the team to raise money for a great cause!

    • TINMAN17 says:

      Very well done. The map is the clincher, though. Who couldn’t live with that re-alignment plan?

      Born and Bred in Enemy Territory (Boston).

    • shiram says:

      But we lose the Toronto rivalry!

      Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

    • vivsterjuve88 says:

      I love it based on the map/time-zones (except u just got screwed if you’re a florida team in that south division), and because we’d have canadian teams in 4/6 divisions and never more than 2 in one division (good for spreading chances of making the playoffs), but after being spoiled by rivalries with boston, toronto, and ottawa, frequent match-ups with NJD and NYI seem sooo dry to me. And I honestly don’t think brodeur vs montreal or gionta/gomez vs the devils heats anything up, they’re still bland and boring to me

    • davelecave says:

      I like the idea a lot, although with a couple changes in the divisions.

      I can’t see Montreal in a Division that doesn’t include Ottawa, it doesn’t make sense geographically, and with fewer games between the two teams, the Senators would definitely lose out financially.

      Also, it bugs me that Colorado is placed in the North. They’re actually closer to Pacific teams, and have been pleading with the league for a divisional change to this effect. Putting Colorado in the Pacific and Vancouver in the Northwest would work imo.

      Apart from that it looks great, I like the Southern division a lot.

    • Led says:

      I’d like the possibility of an anyone vs. anyone final. Imagine the possibilities. I’ve tried to do this but always got stuck on the conferences, I had three. Of course that made seeding very confusing. This guy really seems to have tried to address the various issues. One of the best re-alignment ideas I’ve seen. Of course that means it doesn’t stand a chance.

  42. caladin says:

    The Ottawa Senators have a problem. Niall Yakupov is fading from view… but no worries there is a solution!
    Scott Gomez!

  43. W35T5ID3 says:

    So who scores for the habs first?Markov or Gomez?I say Markov…

    …..You’ll never get to heaven if you’re scared of getting high…..

  44. JohnBellyful says:

    I see there’s more talk on sending Gomez down to Hamilton. I think that’s going too far. Send him to Hab in Burlington. I’m sure he can straighten the poor guy out with a good heart-to-whatever talk.
    It’s time we posters did more than whine. It’s time we dressed for the game. Okay, stepped up to the plate. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem.
    How? Make Gomez feel at home, like one of the guys. The pal you can sit down to watch the game and devour an aisle section of snacks with.
    If Hab’ington took him in for a spell and showed him some love — c’mon, you clods, you know what I mean: BFF stuff — he’d be a changed man after one week of bud camp. And the team would be the better for it, getting back a re-energized player willing to go to the limit for his friends at HIO.
    HIB, I know you can do it, and don’t be surprised if you end up with the prize I never got, an assistant coach position.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I will take one for the team, but you gotta understand I have one request, he picks up my bar tab just like Markov did for Habsolutely down in Miami.

      I will work with him daily, I need some extra part time staff at the warehouse, there are a couple rinks nearby we’ll go skate in the evenings, and maybe go to the indoor batting cage just to get his mind off the game. If I see no improvement, we have an unfinished pier in Burlington, I will take him for walk. Except the result may be a bit different than Alex’s walk along the St. Lawrence with Bob, and I know some concrete guys who owe me a favour.

      Thanks John, I’ll bring him by for dinner, any plans this weekend, was thinking around 5 on Sat. maybe he can watch the game with us.

    • avatar_58 says:

      He can sleep on my couch here in hamilton provided he pays his share of the rent.

    • JohnBellyful says:

      HIB, AV, I knew I could count on HIO guys to come through in a pinch. We’re not expecting miracles, maybe a player who finishes the season with 8 goals, 20 assists, a plus/minus of zero — and has a dynamite post-season. If you guys could do that, well, the pair of you would get my vote for Posters of the Month next June.

  45. W35T5ID3 says:

    Pk subban is in a sophmore slump….lars eller is gonna be a good player very soon….camalleri can be better….gorges should be extended….Gill….Ask him to coach next season….fire martin,hire patrick roy….sign price for long time and same with buddy subban…..plekanec is holding back ….gomez should be bye zkybye…fire goats,hire mark messier to be gm along with wayne gretzky….lol..Weber is a good player,actually very underrated …i gotta go now,goodbye:)
    …..You’ll never get to heaven if you’re scared of getting high…..

  46. Markov skating and getting closer after having his knee battle tested in Florida. Gomez skating and getting closer, coming back in a no pressure situation as Eller and DD are playing well. The team on a 3 game winning streak against 2 of the most physical teams in the NHL. Price the star of the week in the NHL. Everything’s lookin’ up.

    So fire JM and PG because they’re old and PG calls everyone mister.

    Seriousfan09 has started a Movember team named McPhee’s Irregulars. Donate to him, or me or the team to raise money for a great cause!

    • shiram says:

      No, fire PG cause he’s a vegan, that’s as close to a crime as can get. Right?

      Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

    • twocents says:

      Great point Andrew, that mister stuff is creepy, he really should be fired for it.

      • I don’t know if you listen to Montreal sports radio, but would you be surprised if I told you that upwards of 20 callers over the last week have actually suggested that as a legitimate reason for firing him? Crazy.

        Seriousfan09 has started a Movember team named McPhee’s Irregulars. Donate to him, or me or the team to raise money for a great cause!

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Wasn’t there a band in the 80s called Mister Mister? I think they sucked.

          Or was that Genesis?

          I forget.

          • twocents says:

            Oh yeah, they sucked, and some bad too.

            Had a link on here, but I had to pull it out of concern for people’s appetite.

        • twocents says:

          Oh man, that’s so sad. I had a good laugh reading it though.

          And, no I haven’t listened to Montreal sports talk radio, other than game-casts, in a very very long time. So long that my only memory is of a nervous 14 year old calling every few games to expound on how great a game Ryan Walter, or Craig Ludwig, or Larry Robinson, or Bobby Smith, or Bob Gainey, or Mats Naslund had.

          That kid knew his sh!t.

    • Ron in Ottawa says:

      Some of you guys are impossible. Three wins and you’re ready for the Cup, yet last week it was all horrible! It’s time to take the long view and recognize that the habs the way they are just aren’t very good. And things won’t get any better until the Molsons get off the pot and get rid of PG and JM. And the Molsons won’t get off the pot until the fans stay angry at the stupid decsions made by the head office and by the bench coaches. Want action? Stay away from the games for 10 games and it would happen.

  47. W35T5ID3 says:

    Twitter is stupid…

    …..You’ll never get to heaven if you’re scared of getting high…..

  48. W35T5ID3 says:

    I am an idiot.

    …..You’ll never get to heaven if you’re scared of getting high…..

  49. W35T5ID3 says:

    STOP THE PRESSES !!!! Markov Sighting…!!….ya take your sweet ass time buddy,eesh.

    …..You’ll never get to heaven if you’re scared of getting high…..

  50. avatar_58 says:

    Why twitter is fun – slamming BGL and having him take time out of his busy loudmouth-habs-bashing day to reply.

    Ah internets

  51. krob1000 says:

    There were several reasons Minnesota left Minny but the ageof the building, and a Harold Ballard bad owner (but not in Toronto) were the main reasons Minnesota left Minnesota……

  52. OinkOinkOink says:



    • naweed235 says:

      knowing the amount of effect this would have on such decisions, I rather coninue on with my experiment on creating the first flying pig…

    • CanadienBoy says:

      I m sure Gomez as a veteran watching the young guy getting stronger can see the writhing on the wall but as i said earlier we have no others center in case of injuries

      • nunacanadien says:

        What do we have to do to get Gomez to go? What do we have to do to get Gauthier to actually sign real NHL players? When will the Molsons care about winning a cup?

        • nunacanadien says:

          I would back off Scott Gomez if he gave one of his millions to say a wing of the Montreal Jewish General Prenatal Wing or something like that, something that will help many in the future. Koivu did that when Koivu realized he was not earning the money he was making in comparision to the points he got.

          • “Koivu did that when Koivu realized he was not earning the money he was making in comparision to the points he got.”

            whats the price of glue in iqaluit nowaday? im guessing cheap… really really cheap

    • sevenman says:

      get a life

    • savethepuck says:

      maybe you can get a lot of people to sign it at recess.
      The fans of our hockey team sometimes can be an embarrassing joke. No wonder other fans think all of us are a joke.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  53. HabinBurlington says:

    So I went to Hockybuzz today to see Eric Engels latest blog. Eklunds lead story is should Vancouver trade Luongo to Florida now. Idiot I am, I bit and opened. Read the first sentence and was reminded what a complete joke he is.
    “As a fellow goalkeeper I feel for Luongo” I didn’t realize eklund is an NHL Goalie now that blogs, or is he somehow comparing his beer league play to the NHL.

  54. WindsorHab-10 says:

    PG, go get us an enforcer.

    “Hate Bruins like a sickness”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Thought I heard the Islanders put Trevor Gillies on waivers.

    • avatar_58 says:

      They seemed to beat the “big bad bruins” twice in a row now without one

      • nunacanadien says:

        Hey, we lucked out in our wins, we caught teams when they were also equally unhealthy or hurt or coming off a nasty cup series. Wait till we meet the bigger more healthier teams. That should be right around the time Gomez comes back and Gauthier backs off from JM, and we see the flying V of Gionta, Gomez and Cammy basically get pushed aside like some mosquito. Alas JM, this is not the might ducks movie! Stop this five on five style which does nothing for no one!

  55. twocents says:

    I know this has been said plenty before and I know it’s a huge if, but… if Markov can stay healthy and play at even 80% of his full capacity, this team is gonna be hard to beat.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      PG clearly thought that would happen, and has more inside information than all of us. I don’t think it is so much IF as much as when. Clearly they aren’t going to rush him, or at least they shouldn’t be.

      • twocents says:

        Of course there’s an if, every player has an if hanging over them when it comes to injuries, some more than others, but not many have the potential impact that a healthy Markov represents.

        No amount of planning by PG can assure his health and level of play.

        I’m not questioning whether he will come back or not, I am sure he will at some point. The question is whether he stays healthy and at what level, compared to his former play, can he perform at.

        No one knows the answers to those questions.

        • nunacanadien says:

          I recall our team did not do as well when Markov came back, in fact with the line juggling to try and take advantage of Markov on top of JM’s horrible five on five style, we suffered until Markov got hurt. We actually did not win a lot of games with Markov. I’ve yet to see a full season where we actually see Markov, last time he was great was, well, when Gainey was coach. HMM….doesn’t that kind of tell you, Markov is old now, he’s hurt, and he’s missed a lot of games…..why hinge your future on an old hurt veteran like Markov, cause basically all this time being away, it hasn’t exactly served Markov or the team well. This is why the habs sign all those used hurt players like Markov that no one wants, cause these players never play the same as before they were hurt. Blair Betts with Markov, now that would be something, along with Desharnais and Subban, and Cole…that would be a dream power play to watch, of course we don’t have Blair Betts, and Gomez is sh*t out of luck with grasping at straws. Gomez, eventually you gotta cut your losses my friend, bite one for the team! Go find another team to take you! Gauthier is too lazy! Only solution to You Scott Gomez, is Gauthier fires some assistant coach. What’s next Scott Gomez, when you dont’ score, Gauthier might have to fire Youppi! We can’t be having Gauthier fire Youppi! Scott Gomez, are you reading this?

    • 24 Cups says:

      – any team gets exponentially better once it best player returns
      – PP improves
      – we don’t have to play two or three rookies on the D
      – we move the puck out of our end more consistently
      – each forward immediately gets a bit better in the offensive zone
      – Gill and Spacek move down the depth chart to handle less minutes
      – pressure comes off Subban to be a super hero
      – we have 9 decent Dmen going into the playoffs, no need to give away a 2nd rounder in March
      – we stop losing cap space on an asset that is not playing

      • HabinBurlington says:


        • nunacanadien says:

          Only way Markov will play healthy is if the whole team defends him when he is in the corner. The only way our d-men can stay healthy is if they are big enough to fight back the constant forechecking that Montreal undergoes because of our fast skating offensive style. You ain’t gonna see Gomez or Gionta defending Markov. You won’t see Markov defending anyone, not even Markov. Sure we had the Wiz, he’d defend anyone worth defending. You didn’t see him standing up for the wimps on the team. Time we stop signing wimps.

    • krob1000 says:

      I am still somewhat in shock at our start….even without Markov. Those two games stolen against us are all the difference right now..well those and the Leafs losses. I believed going into the season that the team could be a 4th -8th place team… I think 6-10th. I believe we are better than 6-10th but the hole we are in is real even though we are gaining ground. Can we do it? yes I believe we can…but we need Price to carry this team until Markov has been back long enough to get into form.

      • twocents says:

        I pretty much agree, though I think as long as Price is solid, he doesn’t have to carry the team. As the team’s confidence grows his job gets easier.

      • Sharks9 says:

        We’re 8 points out of first and the 1st place team has played 2 more games than us. Our bad start won’t cripple us too badly. (hopefully)

        25 before 14

        • krob1000 says:

          To reach 94 points we need to go approximately 13 games over .500 for the rest of the year… 71 games that looks something like 38-25-8. 8 points is qutie a bit and leapfroggin other teams is nto as easy as it sounds in a league that has 3 point games. .500 is not actually .500 anymore with the 3 point game…we are still in a hole and now have no room for another losing streak. A pair of wins on the weekend without giving up a point would do wonders but we are in a very real situation and typically the team slumps in December and again in late Feb/early March…we don’t have that luxury anymore as our usual quick start did not happen. I have my fingers crossed we can turn keep things going until Markov returns.

  56. 24 Cups says:

    It’s still very early, but the latest rumour for realignment has Montreal in the following division:
    Boston, Buffalo, Columbus, Montreal, Ottawa, Pittsburgh and Toronto.

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      7 teams in a division? Didn’t realize that was happening. Would that mean only 5 games against divisional rivals?

      • shiram says:

        There’d be two divisions of 8 teams, and 2 divisions of 7 teams, I guess priming up the league to expand with 2 new teams.
        As for games against division, no clue yet.

        Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

        • J_P says:

          lol @ expansion

          More primed for contraction.

          • shiram says:

            I agree that contraction would do wonders for the show on the ice, but you can bet that Bettman would rather have more teams than less.

            Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

        • TINMAN17 says:

          Shiram, just to comment on your contraction comment, I bet any amount of money the NHLPA would have a bigger stink than Bettman would as far as contraction. Businesses shut the doors on failing stores all the time, the workers are the ones who need them to stay open.
          Lose two teams from the league and the PA loses a lot of money from funds that all player/members contribute to.

          Born and Bred in Enemy Territory (Boston).

      • GrimJim says:

        EDIT: nope math doesn’t work, must be five as you said, but that is awkward as heck…
        Also heard that Pittsburgh is fighting that realignment hard because their fans have built up special hatreds against Philly, New Jersey and Rangers and they would lose that drawing power re season tickets (Elliott Friedman on the radio this morning)

    • twocents says:

      Looks good to me.

    • Jordio-oh says:

      Nice to see Columbus in there instead of Detroit.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Detroit realistically should never come East. They need that franchise to prop up a mid-west division. Detroit and Chicago help keep teams like Nashville, Winnipeg and Minnesota happy.

        • Chris says:

          Not sure that Minnesota should be grouped in as a team that needs to be propped up. They have as strong a hockey tradition as anywhere in the U.S.

          If they’re going to throw some rivalries out the window anyways, what about something like the following.

          Northeast Division:
          Montreal, Boston, New York Rangers, New York Islanders, New Jersey Devils, Philadelphia and Ottawa.

          Central Division:
          Toronto, Buffalo, Detroit, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Winnipeg, Minnesota and Chicago.

          West Division:
          Vancouver, Los Angeles, San Jose, Anaheim, Calgary, Edmonton, Phoenix and Colorado.

          Southeast Division:
          Washington, Florida, Tampa Bay, Carolina, St. Louis, Nashville and Dallas.

          To my eye, that minimizes the flying that all those teams do for divisional games, which seems to be the main complaint. The Northeast still gets a horrid advantage, but you mitigate that by decreasing the number of divisional games or by moving to the old playoff system where only one team emerges from each division in the playoffs at the semi-finals level.

          Philadelphia and Pittsburgh are less hockey towns than Montreal or Toronto. The fans will fill the ACC and the Bell Centre regardless of whose playing, so it isn’t so crucial that those two teams remain linked together.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            They did lose a franchise Chris.

          • Chris says:

            Who lost a franchise? My comment might not have been clearn enough at the end, I realized.

            Montreal and Toronto do not need to be linked together in a division. Doing so causes headaches.

            Pittsburgh and Philadelphia are more likely to suffer if separated, so if they can be parted, any rivalries should be open to negotiation.

          • 24 Cups says:

            Not so much a case of propping up, more about having some natural rivalries. BTW, I think Gerald was talking about Minnesota losing a franchise.

            I can’t really see St Louis and Dallas fitting into the Southeast. There would be a lot of contradictions there in terms of travel and time zones. Not to mention no real history.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Thanks 24, yah was speaking to Minnesota, they did lose their franchise before, attendance had become poor. Absolutely what should be a good hockey market, but most of that hockey starved market is in the towns around Minnesota/North Dakota. Minnesota market is not a shoe in for attendance. Vikings/Twins are the beasts there for Entertainment Dollars.

          • Chris says:

            Steve: Dallas and St. Louis are both in the Central Time Zone, but a one hour time difference isn’t so much a killer, and I suspect both franchises could live with the much decreased travel times.

            The problem with many of these teams is that they don’t have rivalries with anybody. Dallas sticks out on the map right now…it really doesn’t fit anywhere. My proposal was based solely on limiting how much they have to fly.

            St. Louis should ideally go wherever Chicago goes, as those two cities have a sports rivalry in general, but that is a hard thing to arrange.

          • Chris says:

            Regarding Minnesota: True enough. On the other hand, the Wild have posted fantastic attendance results since their return, regularly averaging 100% capacity averages every season. They are a bit down in the early going this season, but I suspect it will come back up again.

          • twocents says:

            I agree about not needing Mtl and t.o. in a division together.

          • GuyDoon says:

            Chris, I like your divisions. Although in a traditional EAST vs WEST Conference setup you’d have 14 teams in the east and 16 in the West. Not sure the league or the fans would want that. Works if you go North vs South though 😉

    • 306Hab says:

      I highly doubt the Pennsylvania teams will be in different divisons.

      • 24 Cups says:

        For sure. The article stated that both teams would fight it.

        Which really becomes the crux of the problem. It’s really not that difficult to work out a new alignment that is based on logic and the good of the game. The only unanswered question is what might happen to Phoenix. A new owner means the franchise could stay there for at least another five years. If that fails, the NHL might just give up the ghost and say the hell with it. In which case we’re looking at Kansas City or maybe Quebec. Those two contrasting locations would have their own set of difficulties.

        However, logic may go out the window when it comes to the owners and the power and influence they hold over Bettman (and each other). That’s when an illogical format may come about where there are winners and losers based on the power base in the NHL. Don’t forget that Vancouver once played in the Eastern Conference!

        • Chris says:

          To be honest, I’d like to see Kansas City again. Geographically, it makes a lot of sense as it could help tie the Dallas, St. Louis and Nashville markets together.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Here is a better idea….scrap the divisions and just have conferences. It would be a lot easier and makes it more fair for the teams involved

  57. naweed235 says:

    When do you guys think is a reasonable date for Markov’s return?
    I’d say maybe another week of solit. skating before he joins the team in non contact practices… in 3 weeks he’ll start contact pratice and should be in the line up for the begining of December…

  58. Danno says:

    I believe you can see Jessica Rusnak from TSN radio in the top video behind Hal Gill.

    She’s the reporter who asked Jacques Martin why he wasn’t playing Cole on the power play instead of Darche.

    Martin blew his cool a bit and said she should “do her research.” But he did start using him the next game and the Habs have been doing fine ever since.

    I like it when sports reporters ask those kinds of questions.


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

    • habs03 says:

      To be fair, Cole does suck on the PP, even if he scored a PP goal. Last season with the Canes, out of his 26 goals only 4 came on the PP.

      • chanchilla says:

        and to be more fair, and actually logical, he didnt get time on the pp to score pp goals.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        So Carolina’s PP is the same Montreals? If you are going to say he sucks on the Powerplay judge him on his play on our powerplay. PP statistics can be misleading, if you are the guy providing a screen that leads to goal you may not get assist or goal, yet be the most important part of a successful powerplay.

  59. naweed235 says:

    How unfunny and soul less J.M. has to be for Boone to call his comment ” a good one”…

  60. krob1000 says:

    Gill needs an aerodynamic stache.

  61. krob1000 says:

    I thought the average to make the playoffs was 94 points and earlier someone corrected me and said 92 points….turns out in the West the average is 94.16 witht he totals having been 95, 96, 91, 91, 95 and 97 points. I teh East since the lockout the total has been 92 points with totals of 92, 92, 94, 93, 88 and 93 points respectively. The league average has been 93.08 points. I still would like to target at least 94 points as no team in the East has missed the playoffs with that many points …so I still think we need to go a minimum of 13 games over .500 from here on in. The interconference games are huge and regulations wins are key…these Ottawa game and Rangers games are very important…as is every game from here on in witht he hole we dug early.

  62. stevieboy says:

    I was at practice today, Ladouceur was all over, energetic and busy


  63. shiram says:

    One can complain about TSN and it’s analyst, but they sure know how to hire pretty ladies.

    Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

  64. JD_ says:

    Of the 500+ TOTers last night, the most – for lack of a better term – relevant costume, PC-ness aside?

    A kid of about 12 years, dressed in a ref’s jersey, wearin’ Red Fisher-sized sunglasses, and movin’ about with a white cane.


  65. i miss the days on monomedia 🙁

  66. shiram says:

    Gill needs a trucker ‘stache.

    Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

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