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Scott Gomez skated early.

Carey Price hones his forward skills later.

In between, the Canadiens had a meeting. Then a few players and Jacques Martin met the media.

618 Comments

  1. HabFab says:

    Habs Attendance down to 80% in first 5 games;
    http://www.allhabs.net/all-habs-news/gameday-habs-vs-bruins-lineup-pouliot-attendance/

    Has anyone else heard or seen an article like this?

    Edit Note; Upon review, this article is either an attempt to make a story or a mistake. The figures presented are actually Hab away game attendance not home game attendance.
    DON’T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ!

    • Chris says:

      Their numbers are out to lunch. Habs average attendance thus far is 21,273, just as it always has been and likely always will be.

      • HabFab says:

        Chris, you have got to love “goggle”.
        Would like to know where they are coming from on this?

      • twocents says:

        That’s what I thought too, Chris. I am not familiar with the site, but that’s a bit dodgy.

        • HabFab says:

          Just went back and compared their figures. The All Habs article is quoting the Habs away game totals as home games.
          Very disappointing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          Either someone f’uped or a poor poor attempt to create a story!!

      • Bill J says:

        Good link Chris. The best stat, is ranking that list by overall attendance. The Habs are number one in the league, meaning when they place elsewhere they help teams sell more tickets. And likely at premium rates.

        Makes you wonder why the NHL hinders the Habs instead of helping them. Clearly the fans want to see the Habs…. Across the league.


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        • HabFab says:

          We actually are only 7th in away games. Probably has something to do with teams they play as Calgary scores top in away game attendance.

          • Bill J says:

            #1 in away percentage increase year over year. Meaning more fans are increasingly buying more Hab tickets outside of Montreal.

            Very cool site, is now in my links as a favorite.


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          • Chris says:

            Better way to rate away attendance is by percentage. Montreal is one of very few teams that sells out the rink whether home or away. The only other team doing it thus far is Washington, and they are probably the league’s top team and feature a constellation of stars (Ovechkin, Backstrom, Semin, Carlson, Green) to ensure that the game should be interesting.

          • Chris says:

            BillJ: It isn’t % increase…it is the % capacity. You can actually go slightly over capacity with standing-room tickets in some arenas, which generally happens when the top draws come into down.

          • Bill J says:

            Ahhh. Good point Chris, thanks for pointing that out.

            Like I said, very cool link… Thanks for posting it.


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    • HabFab says:

      Not according to these stats from ESPN;

      http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance

    • RTC says:

      The numbers are definitely wonky. The Canadiens have reported a sell out, 21,273, for every home game according to the official boxscores.

  2. habstrinifan says:

    Hi folks! Couldnt get onto the site to post immediately after the win and just getting caught up from last night. Great WIN and I agree with those who posted re the aggressive play of the 3rd period.. no sitting back.

    Love the discussion re what to do with Gomez on his return. I think it is an important question .. and the ANSWER will prove if PG is actually truthful when he says they are gonna be doing things differently and will be thinking outside the box. I remind everyone of what McKenzie said re PP’s dismissal. That PG had to ‘fight’ JM on it. .. that JM tried to convince PG not to do it. I have already posted my theories re PP’S firing and I am convinced that if the new ‘philosophy/approach’ promised by PG is allowed to gain a good foothold then this team will be better than last year… and what’s more the prospects/young players development will prosper. But JM MUST be brought on board, even if it is ‘kicking and fighting’.

    One very simple change in philosophy will be the ‘times’ of JM’s scribbling. Have you ever seen JM pull out his pad and scribble when something ‘good’ happens.
    If he has then ignore my point… it is invalid. But if he hasnt, it would be a minor but definitely positive move if JM can either start scribbling some positive incidents to ‘feedback to the players or at least not be as quick to ‘scribble’ on every ‘bad’ play. It would teach him to see the skill of his players rather than only their drawbacks.

    If upon his return Gomez retains the ice time and line ascendancy that he has had these past two years then I am afraid that it will show that JM is not ready to change.
    Eller/DD etc must supercede Gomez when JM draws up line combinations. We know what Gomez CANNOT do (anymore)… giving the above more ice time and responsibility will tell us what they CAN do.

    It would be great to see Gomez take on a Guy Carbonnea type role.. he has the wheels for it. At the very least it will be, in my opinion, a positive move if Gomez is not regularly paired with Gionta.

    OH by the way.. I am predicting NOW a great performance by the team on Saturday night… one that will have fans excited and ecstatic about the ‘turnaround’. I just dont see Boston winning this game… I see the embryo of something brilliant in the philosophy behind the PP move… and it’s growing by leaps and bounds.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Thank you for the link. Read the article more than once and came away a little worried. So here’s an open letter to Mr. Pearn.

      No Mr. PeARN.. you were NOT a scapegoat. While you were not the sole person responsible, your signature WAS the MAIN one on the two areas that the team showed an abject ability.

      And Mr. Pearn the ONE big statement of confidence that you made is probably the ONE BIG reason for your dismissal. That JM ‘had your back’.

      It is my opinion, and PG’s ‘need for change’ speech supports my opinion, that the unquestioned adherence to your methods by both you and JM, with the obdurately held assumption that ‘with time’, you would have achieved good results… was pigheaded folly in the face of contrary evidence. And it is easy to draw the conclusion from your ‘convictions’ that you may NOT have encouraged and even discouraged input from others (two Randys), maybe even unwittingly.

      Mr Pearn you expressed your belief in the strength of the friendship between you and Mr. Martin by your absolute certainty that Mr Martin ‘had your back’. And, according to Bob Mackenzie, you are RIGHT.

      I ask you then to ‘think outside the box’. To return a gesture to JM worthy of the friendship he showed you. Let JM move on! Do not sit and dwell with him on the events of the past week.. not for a while anyways. Let JM embrace the ‘change’ requested by PG. It would be good for the players and for the team and for us the fans.

      And above all it CANT but HELP make JM a better coach. And it would unquestionably upgrade his perception (and legacy) around the league if he were to be seen as having grown into a more adaptive coach who had added a renaissance flair to his methods.

      Please Mr. Pearn.. JM had your back… now you have his by leaving him be (for now) to build a great and inventive ‘coaching team’ for this franchise, which you admitted has done well by you.

      Thank you SIR!

  3. geo_habsgo says:

    When did Bugs come back? Maybe I just haven’t been paying attention. In any case, I missed your point of unique point of view lol. Is Dezzy your new favorite?

  4. solomio says:

    Re PK the scrapper… that was an embarrasement.. PK couldn;t even beat up little marchand. The shame. And if anybody ever needed a punch in the face it is marchand. How can a defencement playing in Canada not at least have an inkling of how to fight in skates on ice. I think it has to be in you from the start. I think you can learn the tricks, the art, if you will, of a hockey fight, but if hand to hand combat is not part of your makeup, then really you shouldn’t be engaging in the stuff. And if a yapper can’t fight he should shut the fck up.

    “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

  5. solomio says:

    Bugs with regards to your earlier questioning about why Pearn and why are they winning now?. I heard it best said on TSN 990.
    PP was in charge of the PP and special teams. They have failed miserably. Short of firing Jacky it was the move that was obvious.
    I’m sure PP was liked by the players ( although they apparently were not motivated by him ) and so when he got fired, lost his job, his lively hood, the thing that pays his mortgage and his childrens education, the players eyes were forced open, the team had an epiphany (sp). That their ( the players ) professional performance on the ice affects more than just millionaire kids and thirty somethings but also the lives & families of hard working daily grind civilians. They were shook up and played better because of it. Same realization also gets transferred to the new coach and effort is made by the players on his behalf.
    The awareness may wear off in time ( everything does ) and that’s where Ladouceurs coaching abilities will have to take over. From what little I’ve seen of him behind the bench I would say that he is and will be more of a motivator.

    “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

    • Bugs says:

      Yeah, that’s what Gagnon said.
      He also said PG got annoyed when the press brought up Kirk Muller, which I believe is revealing as it may lead one to believe the players THEMSELVES may have been making those comparisons, to Pearn’s detriment of course.
      Hey man, we all loved Muller, frenchies too. We all saw who the BRAINS were drawing up last-minutes assaults or blockades when it was all on the line. MULLER, that’s who.
      And maybe, just maybe, Pearn weren’t no Muller on the best day of his life and that sudden lack of DRIVE may have had an ill effect on the bench.
      I dunno; just speculatin over here…
      It’s just that…I mean, we’ve had pp issues before, no? Don’t remember an assistant-coach being tossed because of it, y’know?

      Back from the Brink’s boasts L. B. Potter, esq.

  6. HardHabits says:

    So what’s the hot topic today at HockeyInsideOutFights.com?

  7. AK_PK_Usay says:

    @ Bill

    Subban is considered a yapper by haters and in no small fact because he is black, the NHL and NHL fans are about as redneck as it gets in sports.

    Look how many black nhl players there are vs, NBA, NFL, CFL, MLB…

    You wonder how a city like boston with its great universities is home to so many gangs and lowlifes.

    Even in Montreal we have a gang problem, but it pales in comparison, what we have to worry about is corruption, nepotism… the separatist that watch tv all day long enjoying their BS and plotting taking over the place…

    • Chris says:

      Subban is considered a yapper because he is a yapper.

      For crying out loud, I love the guy but he is absolutely a yapper. Just because he plays for the Habs doesn’t mean he isn’t an annoying bugger to play against.

      Opponents hated Claude Lemieux too, but we loved him because he was clutch. Once he left town, we joined everybody else in hating him.

      Same would happen if Subban ever left Montreal.

      • Bill says:

        There’s a racial element too, obviously. Marchand has never been called out by Don Cherry and his filthy ilk that I’m aware of, to name just one possible example. But it’s also that PK is really good, and moreover the fact that he doesn’t act all monotone and bland in interviews (aka acting the White Way, sorry Darren Pang!)

        Full Breezer 4 Life

        • Chris says:

          To be honest, I’m not sure I agree there is a racial element.

          Marchand is generally described as a puke. Don Cherry doesn’t call him out because he plays for the Bruins, and no Bruin gets called out on Coaches Corner.

          But Marchand certainly does take it pretty much everywhere else. Fans regale us with comments about how disliked he was in Halifax growing up, or how teammates and opponents disliked him in the QMJHL.

          Really, he’s not much different than Subban. The difference is that i) we follow the Montreal Canadiens, so we’re pretty aware of whenever something is said about our guys and ii) the Montreal hockey market is voracious for Habs news; if it is good, we love it while we howl in outrage at the injustice our players are facing when they are criticized.

          Subban is easily one of the more yappy guys in the league. I suspect he would finish pretty high in one of the NHL player polls that ESPN used to do if the question was “What player do you detest the most”, especially with Sean Avery no longer in the league.

          Like you say, Subban attracts extra attention over other “pests” because he is actually an elite-calibre player. His surplus of personality makes him beloved in Montreal, but also makes him an easy target. Other guys in that category would include Jeremy Roenick, Chris Pronger and even Alex Ovechkin…they are or were all elite players with a lot of personality, but that personality often rubbed opposing fans the wrong way, just as Subban’s does.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Agreed with everything but TWO things you said.
        ONE:

        I (for one) never joined with everyonead ‘hated’ Claude Lemieux.. I hated the fact that we got rid of him.

        As I hated the fact that we got rid of Darcy Tucker.

        As I hated the fact that we got rid of John LeClair.

        TWO!
        I wont hate P.K if we got rid of him. I woulld cringe everytime I check the scoring stats… fearing that another ex-hab is doing well elsewhere.

    • HardHabits says:

      This comment is wrong on so many levels not to mentioned completely scatter brained. However, I will still reply to this post from a person who is so tortured by existence.

      Hockey takes lots of money for parents to buy equipment and even more time to invest in it for a kid to have any chance of playing professionally. It boils down to the economics of inner city youth in North America choosing basketball, baseball or football over hockey. Add to that Canada was a Country who’s primary immigration influx was from Europe.

      How that ties into gangs and lowlifes is an example of the pot calling the Afro-American black. It’s also one of the most disconnected tangents I have ever witnessed in a rant.

      I’ve heard of preconceived notions before but you appear to be guilty of preconceived hallucinatory imaginations.

  8. AK_PK_Usay says:

    Looking at the team play i think Gomez will have to adjust to playing wing and better be decent doing it.

    BUT, this is JM, same way Emelin lost his spot to the inferior Spacek, same way Eller will end up playing at wing so that JM can accommodate Gomez.

    • likehoy says:

      Spacek is much better than weber/diaz/emelin defensively at this point of his career and has 600+ games of NHL experience.. with a team short on experience on defense, Spacek is the perfect veteran right now.

      To me it’s no surprise that since Spacek came back, we’ve only let in 4 goals in 3 games.

      Gomez can’t play wing, he likes to carry the puck too much up the middle and he’s not going to be first to chase a puck into the zone.

      - Gomez is holding down the “overpaid” button

    • Bill says:

      Spacek had a pretty good game last night!

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  9. Mr_MacDougall says:

    I read below a poster said that people are misguided that do not think visors should be mandatory in the NHL. I believe anybody that thinks visors should be mandatory are misguided. Here is my reasoning; the the common arguments supporting visors is facial protection, the fact that throughout minor hockey all players wear facial protection, siting Brian Berard and now Chris Pronger incidents.

    If facial protection is the issue, shouldn’t you all be calling for mandatory cages not visors? Did Saku Koivu not suffer a horrific eye injury while wearing a visor? I would argue that the protection gap is much greater between a cage and visor then it is between a visor and nothing (meaning the protection is overwhelmingly increased with the application of a cage) One must note that players can play with a broken jaw while wearing a cage, but they wouldn’t dare add a visor to protect themselves from any injury sustained while not wearing protection.

    Agree? Disagree?

    personally I have no opinion either way, I am just annoyed by those that state it is “stupid” not to have mandatory visors.. I think if mandatory facial protection is required, it should be true facial protection, a cage. Hell, safety goggles protect your eyes better that a visor, imagine using a saw or grinder with a visor?

    • Bill says:

      I play rec hockey with a cage, because I don’t want to lose teeth or eyes. But no question there is a vision issue with those things. NHL players need to see. The visors they use in the NHL are pretty high-tech and unobtrusive. No, they don’t offer total protection, but it’s a decent compromise.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        there is a vision impairment with a visor as well.. when your eyes go from looking through it to below, the visor blocks a certain amount of light then the pupil must shrink when looking under it. Hey, I’m just saying an argument for mandatory visors is “misguided” as a cage is the proven “heavyweight champ” of facial protection… or if you say the vision thing… then a full face visor with chin guard.. same thing.

        • Bill says:

          Well, a FULL visor and then you’ve got a BREATHING issue, haha. We could argue all night about it. Anyway, this is one area where the players can make their own decision. They should wear a visor as far as I’m concerned, but they know the risks. It’s not like seatbelts where there is a clear public interest in reducing the cost to our medicare system.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

    • Chris says:

      Koivu did get hurt badly, as did a player a few years ago in the Q while wearing a visor.

      The visor does not protect against sticks that come up from below.

      However, many nasty injuries in recent years could have been prevented by visors. In particular, Steve Yzerman, Eric Lindros and Matthias Ohlund were all struck by pucks in the eye.

      It boggles my mind that anybody would want to go on the ice where 6 ounces of vulcanized rubber is flying around at 80-100 miles per hour without eye protection. I don’t care how fast your reflexes are…if a puck deflects at you at that speed, you are in trouble.

      If a visor prevents even one player from suffering eye damage, they should be mandatory.

    • Danno says:

      You’re right about a cage offering superior protection.

      If it were mandatory across the board with no exceptions the players would all benefit by having less injuries and their overall performance would not suffer as everyone would be playing with the same equipment.

      ________________________________________

      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  10. Da Hema says:

    Pearned (adj)

    When a person is dismissed from a position within an organization for no specifiable reason.

    My boss pearned me today.

  11. Bill says:

    All this talk about how PK could be a better fighter … really? If I’m the coach I’m cringing watching PK chuck the knuckles out there. With Markov out, we’re one broken hand or wrist injury away from total disaster.

    I know, I know, he could get injured just playing the game, but with players like him, why take chances? He’s too important.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

    • oshawahabsfan says:

      Exactly!

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I agree.

      • Bill says:

        And no more Price fighting Thomas either!!

        I think Subban feels like he has to fight, like, once a year or something, because he has this reputation as a yapper (which might be justified, but I see worse from guys who get no criticism). It’s a bad move.

        Someone mentioned Larry Robinson down below … man, Big Bird was a special case if I ever saw one. He was super-skilled, but he was one of the biggest guys in the league at the time AND also a naturally good fighter. It was no real problem for him to destroy just about whoever he wanted without breaking a sweat. Guys like him are, y’know, they’re kinda RARE. Obviously everyone would love to have a Larry Robinson.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

    • Agreed. I’m surprised Martin wasn’t pissed last night after Subban got goaded into 9 straight PIM. But I guess he felt Subban had to do it sooner or later.

      http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

    • Chris says:

      I agree whole-heartedly. Subban should stay away from that nonsense.

      Not to mention that the way he fights is incredibly dangerous. He goes for monstrous hay-makers that, if they connect, could cause some serious damage to either his opponent or to his hand.

      This had nothing to do with Marchand, either. I watched Subban throughout his OHL career in Belleville and he was infamous for that fighting style. He (thankfully) rarely connects on them, but he really tries to do some damage when he fights. Absolutely stupid on his part.

    • Sportfan says:

      Agree entirely i hated seeing him fight i was like really ?

    • Da Hema says:

      Subban shouldn’t fight simply on the grounds that he sucks at it.

    • CanadienBoy says:

      Agree, did Spacek got injured once trying to fight and fell badly anyway PK should not be fighting Marchan got him out of the game

    • likehoy says:

      speculation at best… although a very interesting concept.

      I think there’s some merit behind Martin being comfortable with Pearn than any of his other assistants. Martin picked Pearn as an assistant, but Gauthier picked Cunneyworth and Ladouceur, and remember Gauthier inherited Martin. It’s tough to say if Martin was ever Gauthier’s man but they do have history so it would be easy to suggest he is.

      Looks like Gauthier’s patience may be wearing thin..

  12. AK_PK_Usay says:

    PK tried a haymaker on the ice… not the smartest of moves and mostly did it for show

    This fight went a long way to show that fighting is pointless…

    Otherwise the game was alright, nothing special

    • oshawahabsfan says:

      Agreed, and what if he got hurt in that stupidness. Smart move PK…

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      If you think fighting is pointless and a victory against the the Canadiens’ biggest rival is nothing special…it might be time to start watching figure skating instead?

      • Bill says:

        What if you think fighting is pointless and wouldn’t miss it if it were banned like in every other team sport, BUT at the same time you thought the game was great?

        Also, what’s wrong with figure skating?

        Full Breezer 4 Life

        • oshawahabsfan says:

          I’m assuming he’s a Don Cherry cheerleader

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            And oshawa…are Brian Gionta, Jason Spezza and Taylor Hall all don Cherry lovers?

            There was a recent interview with them all on TSN with James Duthie where they all firmly stated fighting is an important part of the game.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            I have to admit I can get sucked into figure skating when the Olympics are in full swing. Battle of the Blades isn’t my cup of tea though.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          I was being a bit of an ass there bill as you could probably tell.

          Believe it or not, I would probably be OK if fighting was removed from the game.

          The reason being, it is down right dangerous to have two trained fighters ranging from 200lbs to 270lbs punching each other in the face bare fisted.

          However, at the moment it is still legal so I’d like to see the Habs do well in that regard.

          • Bill says:

            Okay, gotcha. Still defending figure skating though :) Spandex and short skirts, what is not to like??

            Full Breezer 4 Life

          • oshawahabsfan says:

            It’s their opinion which is as misguided as Cherry’s. Some players don’t think they should be wearing visors either, after witnessing some pretty serious, easily preventable injuries. Players need to be protected from themselves sometimes

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Its a very touchy subject Oshawa, I often have mixed feelings about it myself.

            I do play the devils advocate or certain occasions because I think there is a massive difference in opinion between posters on this site and the way coaches, players and general managers think.

            Most people in the NHL see fighting as the same danger level as blocking a shot or throwing a hit and really don’t see it as a big deal.

            And quite often the average fan gets too swept up by some of the articles written by people who have never played the game….

          • Chris says:

            Bill: I don’t want to see Marchand in spandex and a short skirt. Wait…actually, I do.

            But I don’t want to see any other NHL’er in spandex and a short skirt. ;)

        • Bill says:

          Two words: Shae Lynne Bourne.

          That’s three words, but she’s worth it.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

        • Da Hema says:

          There is nothing wrong with figure skating as such. What is wrong is to call it a competitive sport. When figure skating “judges” base their decisions on how provocatively the figure skaters are dressed, we can no longer credibly call it a “sport.” It is entertainment, and that’s it.

          • Bill says:

            I don’t think you really follow Figure Skating, Da Hema, with all due respect!

            Judges decisions are based on “required elements”, which are moves, jumps, spins, or lifts that have to be done and done successfully and correctly.

            The provocative clothing is just a bonus.

            There have been cases of crooked judges, sure. But would you call boxing “not a sport” because it is judged subjectively?

            Full Breezer 4 Life

          • Bill says:

            ^^Sure jglib, that’s what everyone wants, to discuss something with you. I’ll stick around just the same, okay?

            Full Breezer 4 Life

  13. cuzzie says:

    This mornings Gazette had an ad for the Bulldogs game at the Phone Booth. They emphasized the former grads, and their slogan was ” who is next”. I nominate a Mr. Louis Leblanc. Three points in his first Pro game. We’ll be hearing Louie Louie at the Phone Booth in the very near future. Go Habs Go!!

    Stay Thirsty My Friends!

  14. Danno says:

    Erik Cole please speak up during interviews

    ________________________________________

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …Danno, I just finished listening to Cole as well …besides His low-voice volume, do You get the sense He feels tired ? …as in what have I got Myself into for the next 4 years, re the intense fish-bowl of Montreal ?

      Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
      http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

      • and here we have it, this is how stupid rumours get started in this city

        ^

        IT JUST HAPPENED FOLKS!!!

        • Da Hema says:

          That is a good example, isn’t it.

        • Habitant in Surrey says:

          …Johnathan I didn’t mean it in that way, as a catalyst for a rumor …maybe I could have shaped it differently to keep the more volatile types like Yourself from Your own tangents
          …I listened to a recent interview with Brian Gionta, He was plied with a leading-question about the pressure in Montreal …He just briefly noted that He ‘tries’ to block that out
          …and, I am sure some of Our Players revel in the intense hockey ‘atmosphere’ of Montreal, and others find it a ‘shock’ at first and maybe overbearing on Their personal lives
          …I think non of this is new news in Montreal as far as hockey and Our Players are concerned
          …relevant to Cole, I feel He would not have signed with Montreal if as He said He felt Montreal a ‘special place’ to play hockey …but He did go through a stretch where He and His Coach did not see things the same way, plus One can not imagine the scrutiny of playing in Montreal until One experiences it
          …in the video, it was just My impression His body-language was showing some of that stress …it was an off-the-cuff ‘conversation’ with Danno on His own thought, which I should know better by now, others like Yourself could be reading
          …Cole has a 4 year contract, He has just begun the journey with Us, so He ain’t goin’ anywhere soon …and I equally assume He will appreciate the positives of being a Hab when We start to roll …because there is no better place to play hockey than Montreal when We WIN
          …so, calm down Johnathan …My comment was not meant as precursor to a great tabloid headline
          Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
          http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

          • im not asking you politely, im instructing you, do not adress me as johnathan again

            fbkj

            mofo

            cem

            all acceptable, im not referring you to your real name, i havent given you permission to refer to me by mine

            thank you

    • Chris says:

      Cole had a good interview with Evelyne Audet on HabsTV the other night. He’s actually a pretty thoughtful guy…gets away from the standard cliche answer.

  15. Habitant in Surrey says:

    NESN’s web-site: “Marchand and Subban have some history, with both a friendship born as teammates in the junior ranks and a rivalry fueled by their encounters in the pros. They won a gold medal together with Team Canada in the 2008 World Junior Championships, but Subban also blasted Marchand with a devastating open-ice hit in Montreal last year.
    “We really haven’t had any other altercations other than when he hit me up in Montreal,” Marchand said. “But stuff happens in a game like this and emotions ran a little high.
    “If I see him somewhere I will definitely talk to him,” Marchand added. “We don’t really keep in contact or anything. It’s a job right now. Guys are friends all the time off the ice, but on the ice if they’re on the other team you’re going to have to take runs at them and do what you have to do to win. That’s all it is.”
    Subban agreed, and didn’t expect Thursday’s bout to cause any lingering friction between them.
    “I know Marshy pretty well and it’s just a matter of us both being frustrated out there and that’s how you settle your differences,” Subban said. “I mean, we were kind of laughing about it after, we gave each other a pat on the pads. I don’t think there’s any true animosity between us two. But like I said, we have quite the past, winning a gold medal together. But it’s a game, you know, that’s what the fans want, that’s what both teams want. It’s energy out there. It’s fun.” ”

    …I’m sorry, most of You apparently do not agree, but besides My unbridled admiration of PK and His skills and charisma, I would also very much want a Brad Marchand (at least, last season’s version) on Our Habs in a heartbeat

    …so too, a Patrice Bergeron or Milan Lucic …in a nano-second

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

  16. chilli says:

    I actually gained respect for Marchand last night. He could have KO’d PK but let him get back up on his feet. PK can’t fight. He shouldn’t fight.
    Tre

  17. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Mike Boone or Dave Stubbs:
    Can one of you please give us a report on Ian Schultz, what you think of him and whether or not he’ll be an asset to this team as a tough guy.
    Thank you.

    “Hate Bruins like a sickness”

    • Stev.R says:

      Is he in the AHL now?

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      This is the Montreal Canadiens, more importantly Pierre Gauthier’s Canadiens. They are one of a couple teams, maybe the only team, that doesn’t employ a heavyweight fighter.

      I personally don’t like having a guy in the lineup who is a liability.

      Guys like Konopka from the Senators and Thornton from the Bruins do things like win faceoffs and kill penalties, as well as protect their stars and lift the emotions of their teammates after a good scrap.

      Although Schultz might get the bench pumped up after a good scrap, he had something like 4pts in Hamilton last year and doesn’t really contribute too much else besides fighting.

      He’s only 21-years-old so maybe he has a shot at the NHL if he puts together a good season in Hamilton this year and improves his overall play.

      The sad part, is that there are plenty of guys around the league, some where available over the summer, that play a solid game and can take on the big boys of the NHL.

      Many of those players are not close to being a liability and could have actually improved the team and at the same time made the Habs play a couple inches taller.

      Unfortunately, Gauthier doesn’t mind the embarrassment of watching his players pushed around and taunted.

    • Mike Boone says:

      Ian Schultz is not an NHL player.

      Mike Boone
      Hockey Inside/Out blogger
      Gazette City columnist
      mboone@montrealgazette.com

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Thanks Mike! I think I kinda said that above.

        Does he still have a shot a further developing in the AHL or is the book pretty much closed on him?

      • HardHabits says:

        Very astute. Did you look that up at theahl.com?

        Neither are Leblanc or Gallagher BTW.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Not sure if you were talking to Boone or myself there smarty pants?

          However, I did see the games Schultz played for us during the preseason and I in fact am going to be sitting behind the bench when the Hamilton Bulldogs are in Ottawa to play the Binghamton Senators in a couple weeks.

          I was also sitting at the glass for last night’s Panthers Vs Sens game and got a good look at Konopka.

          • HardHabits says:

            I wasn’t talking, I was condescending… to Boone.

            EDIT: Look Hobie. You and I are close to on the same page when it comes to the desire to pack some more punch on the Habs. The difference is you and I view fighting in a much different light. For me the quintessential element to any so called tough player is “can he play hockey?”

            As for the other guy in the Halak-Eller trade, I was the first to question the logic of placing Palushaj on the 4th line and wondered why Schultz wasn’t brought up instead.

            At any rate they decided to get Nokia and call up Blunt Instrument so the vegan-Palpatine go the HH memo.

          • Mark C says:

            If you’re hoping to get a good look at Konopka, don’t blink.

      • Bripro says:

        That’s all ya got?

  18. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Dear P.K.Subban:
    I’ve watched you fight a couple of times and to be honest, you suck. So here’s a pointer for you in case you decide to go toe to toe with Marchand tomorrow:
    1) Dance a little bit.
    2) Fake a left hook & nail him with a right.
    3) Marchand will drop like a sack of Lucic(s***). Guaranteed.
    Your Hail Marys are killing me.

    “Hate Bruins like a sickness”

  19. Mr. Biter says:

    i don’t know why there are so many people who do not like DD. He’s got 6 points (tied for 3rd. in scoring) is a 0 plus/minus and has been playing very well. Did not see last nights game , but heard it on 990 and he did not seem out of place. He does have to work on his face-offs however I believe his % is gettting better.

    Mr. Biter

  20. Hobie Hansen says:

    We’d all like to take back the Scott Gomez trade…period!

    However, some people are over glorifying the situation stating Ryan McDonagh is playing stellar defense in New York, to make things seem worse.

    Yes McDonagh is plus -3 and has four points but as we know, you could be headed off for a line change and the puck ends up in the back of the other team’s net. Plus/Minus should be taken with a grain of salt. If Lundqvist wasn’t in goal for the Rangers he could be minus -10.

    The NY post is reporting that he is facing some struggles as well:

    “The Rangers are getting by, but McDonagh, Del Zotto and Erixon are being asked to do more than they’re able to. This experience will be a benefit over the long haul of their respective careers, but the Rangers may not be able to adequately cope with all of the associated growing pains as the season evolves without Staal in the lineup.

    The young pair of Michael Del Zotto and Tim Erixon had its best game in Thursday’s 3-2 overtime victory in Calgary, and indeed was the club’s steadiest tandem in the match during which the Dan Girardi-Ryan McDonagh top pair suffered through hiccups and the Steve Eminger-Jeff Woywitka duo had a rough go of it throughout.”

    So as much as we all want Gomez gone, lets not start calling McDonagh the next Bobby Orr just yet.

    :-)

    • Chris says:

      McDonagh is playing 25 minutes per night. So yes, he’s playing above his head right now.

      He’s very good at what he does. But he’s still learning the NHL ropes, and has filled in admirably while Marc Staal recovers.

  21. Mr. Biter says:

    BP, was just awesome out there last night. Don’t know why PG did not give him a big raise last year to keep him here.

    Mr. Biter

  22. krob1000 says:

    Hey, hey, now, Krobbie; let’s stick to your initial statement, that the reason Eller is not producing is because he’s with Ak (6pts) and Moen (5pts), that he was ONLY able to pick 2 passes on their SEVEN goals.
    C’mon, Krobbie.
    Dezzy has 5 passes for his line’s FIVE goals.
    One is up to par, and one is lacking.
    To suggest that it’s the poor quality of his wingers (who are scoring MORE than Dezzy’s!) that deprive him of pts is, I’m sorry, not credible.

    Back from the Brink’s boasts L. B. Potter, esq.

    Hey Bugs..my inital statement was about yous aying DD was getting short changed…not about point production…so let’s get back to the initial statement. Dd is not being short changed to save face…he is getting pp time(always has) and top linemates. He looked great with Cami and Cole and even with Gomez back I would leave him there for awhile..but you act as if Eller gets treated favourably over DD and quite honestly I see no justification for this statement at all if anything Dd gets more point producing situations. Eller gets treated favourably ocver him in defensive situations and rightfully so IMO. Dd deserves teh better offensive players right now…

    • Neutral says:

      Bugs – I don’t know what the deal was with Pearn but if you want my view on why they are winning right now here it is – same lines for two games – at least 45 minutes of hard work – fairly good “D” good goaltending – and a little luck….

    • Stev.R says:

      Eller has been playing well but he just needs to finish. He gets a lot of good chances. Work in progress.

    • Bugs says:

      Yes, I got it. To WHICH you responded by asking me to look at Eller’s linemates, the implication being that Eller’s “hype” would be worthwhile since he would undoubtedly have as many, if not more pts than Dezzy if he had same said linemates.
      Point to point to point, yes?

      Back from the Brink’s boasts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • If Eller was playing the same role as Desharnais he would more than likely put up more points. He already puts up significantly more shots and allows fewer. Eller’s Corsi is 11.63/60 while Desharnais is -2.40/60, which means he’s been outplayed by his opponents often. Desharnais has also been more lucky than Eller in regards to shooting, the team has a 9.59 shooting percentage when DD is on vs a 4.0 shooting % when Eller is on. Eventually those numbers will even out.

        As it stands though Eller is more valuable playing against the tougher competition because whenever DD has to he gets absolutely shredded.

        http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

  23. Bugs says:

    So, can anyone give me the story of what the deal was with Pearn and why we’re winnin now that he’s gone? Unrelated? Or totally, totally related?
    What gives? Who WAS that guy?

    Back from the Brink’s boasts L. B. Potter, esq.

  24. Bripro says:

    When I try to click on Cole’s Youtube video, I get this message:
    “This video is a duplicate of a previously uploaded video. Sorry.”
    And that’s it….no video, zilch.
    Does anyone else have this issue?
    Or does Youtube just not like me? :(

  25. 24 Cups says:

    Natrous – (The site won’t let me reply down below) I blew a gasket when I heard about the trade. I remember sitting looking at my computer screen and wondering just how stupid (or desperate) Gainey could be. I was so ticked off that I wrote an article on the subject that Mike Boone turned into a HI/O thread (I can no longer find it since we have moved to the new site).

    McDonagh was never close to being a bust. He may have had an off year in college but then so did Kristo. Tinordi also did the same thing.

    All the chatter about Gomez bringing in other players is pure crap. It’s all about the money. Gionta never would have got the term or coin from another team. Cammy was supposed to be choosing between Toronto and Montreal. He may have chosen Montreal because he didn’t want to be a hometown boy with the laffs. It’s the same with Spacek and Cole. They both would have stayed with their original teams but then Montreal gave them an extra year on their contracts. Bingo.

    The argument that guys like Gomez always show up in the playoffs has a major hole in it. The playoff performance doesn’t count if we don’t make the the post season. Gomez’s 7M means he has to perform throughout the entire season. He’s being paid like a star so he should at least make the effort to do his best. Maybe he should sit between Gorges and Darche in the dressing room.

    As for one’s memory, Gomez has had one decent regular season year in the past four. He was great in the playoffs two years ago and just average last playoff. If he doesn’t have it anymore, than so be it. We made a horrendous trade. Otherwise, this guy has a lot of catching up to do.

    Sorry for the emotional rant but the Gomez blunder really fries my ass.

    • krob1000 says:

      I remember getting fried with you on here for the negativity ! lol

    • Matt. says:

      No, that is exactly how i would sum up the Gomez trade ….
      A true WTF!?!?! moment for me and many Canadiens fans.

      I had the same feeling when Andrei Kostitsyn was drafted.

      • bullsh[t you did

        kostytsin was considered a steal at where he was drafted, teams passed because of his epilepsy

        • Chris says:

          I was ecstatic when the Habs picked Kostitsyn.

          Hey, at least I’m honest! :)

        • Matt. says:

          I would have passed by him to. Didn’t even know who AK was… Epileptic Belarussian or big Canadian centre.

          I wanted the Canadiens to take Getzlaf. I’d watched him in the WHL a lot that season and it was obvious he was going to be a beast. Mostly I thought the Canadiens might take a big centre, as there was a few available, and that was, and still is a weakness for this team.

          • Chris says:

            The Habs did need a big centre. but given that the team had only two guys score more than 25 goals in the 5 seasons prior to that draft (Zednik with 31 in 2002-03, Perreault with 27 in 2001-02) you could make an awfully strong argument for a kid who was seen as one of the purest goal scorers in the draft.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Exactly. That’s all she wrote.

        Instead of drafting a centre (which the entire world knew we needed), we opt for a winger. Everyone thinks the problem was AK – I see it more as a case of not dealing with an immediate problem.

        Once that mistake was made, we were never truly able to really rectify the weakness at centre. That eventually led to the Sundin chase and the Vinny rumours. When that failed, we went to Plan D which was Gomez.

        Maybe I could have lived with the situation if we hadn’t given up a prized 1st rounder (Rumour had it that Timmins was speechless). Sather had his back to the wall and we let him take us to the cleaners. The real deal should have been Gomez for a few crumbs (Higgins & Valentenko) + the five year 7.3M cap hit.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I remember all my Hab hating friends laughing their heads off.

      • Chris says:

        I was driving home with my housemate and two Leafs fans that were getting a ride to their house from school. I launched into a 15 minute tirade during which I exhausted my entire repertoire of swear words.

        The two Leafs fans were laughing their butts off. I remember THAT day with crystal clarity. And it isn’t a fond memory.

    • Bripro says:

      Every team has a player who just doesn’t cut it. Or at one time.
      I’m talking big money player.
      Ottawa had Leighton, Yashin and Daigle and what did Gonchar do?
      Islanders signed DiPietro forever.
      Henrik Talinder was a bust last year for New Jersey. So was Mogilny.
      Columbus has signed the Wiz for $33MM. You tell me if he’s worth it.
      The Flyers must be asking themselves questions with Bryzgalov right about now.
      Do you think Marian Hossa is worth $5.5MM/year?
      The Rangers are notorious for bad signings. Aside from Gomez, you’ve got Bobby Holik. He was a complete bust.
      Mark Messier collapsed in Vancouver.
      And we have our own bad (Gomez – worth about half) and Markov.
      I love Markov, when he’s healthy. No question in my mind, he’s an NHL top five. But man, he’s never there.
      How could PG sign for that long, unless the signing was conditional to the length of the contract.
      I regress. My point is every team just through it, and you just have to play around it. You can’t let it influence team play.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Good point, Bripro. THe UFA market is a bit of a minefield.

        Of course, Gomez was even worse than an UFA mistake. Sather made that initial blunder and then we compounded it.

        I better stop. My daughter is here for dinner and I need to get into a good vibe. Bartender, come on down here. One scotch, one bourbon, one beer!

  26. JoeC says:

    The douche JM hates russians and hates players that actually hit, thats why AK is in the dog house so much, and Emelin gets to watch from teh bench more often then not. JM is a pussy and he loves a defence that are as tough as women .

    • habs03 says:

      Is that why he keeps putting Moen in the top 6?

      • JoeC says:

        my point is both AK and Emelin hit, and are both russian, and both get the short end in every aspect, AK outhits Moan anyway. Moan is becoming a JM pussy, barly does anything offensive, or hitting, and misses chances over and over, imagine if it was AK, hell, he would have 10 goals by now if he converted on half the chances Moan has got.

        • habs03 says:

          Unless you have some sort of really proof on JM racism to Russian, I just don’t see it. I think a lot of the reasons why AK was in the dog house was because he wouldn’t do a lot of the small things right (not so much this season), like dumping in the puck hard, and making sure he got across the red line before dumping it. Pouliot use to get dumped and taken off the top 2 lines within minutes of games because of similar things. Does that mean JM hates French guys also?

        • Sean Bonjovi says:

          Moen is what now? Watch your mouth son!

          “Andrei Kostitsyn is a better hockey player than Max Pacioretty”
          - Sean Bonjovi

        • hansolo says:

          Moen is still tied with MP67 as our leading goalscorer.

    • VancouverHab says:

      You mean “JM who gets Hell for plaing Darche on the PP and who gives Gomez as a linemate Travis Moen?”

      That JM?

    • PrimeTime says:

      BOS fan IQ

  27. Feraco says:

    Guys and Girls.

    Has the Gomez trade REALLY been that bad? Hear me out…

    At the time our only center was Plekanec. We let our roster go to FA and there were slim centers available, not to mention they had to fill the rest of the roster. Essentially, it was Gomez for McDounnagh (spelling). Higgins was finished in MTL. At the time, McDounnagh was 2 yrs away to make the team. Also, they had Weber, PK, O’Byrne ahead of him and a set D corps as it was.
    Pyatt, Higgins, Janek, Valentenko all throw ins.

    On Gomez’s contract. I don’t see it being an issue right now. It hasn’t stopped the team from signing anyone and they can do things with it going forward. Europe or AHL to take it off the books. Where I do see it being an issue is:
    a) next season when they have to sign Price + PK
    b) Kostitsyn is a FA + Gomez would need to be replaced. Those 2 players would equal Gomez’s cap hit.

    In a perfect world he does not make that kind of cap him, but it hasn’t stopped the team from signing anyone…but going forward there will be issues. We gotta wait and see how its handled.

    Molson Ex mon ami

    • habs03 says:

      I haven’t been as hard on Gomez as others simply because, I knew what we were getting, and overpaid player, and his passing skills were overrated. But I think everyone would agree that there weren’t and still aren’t any Centre available around the league. Look at Toronto, they have been looking for a centre for years and settled for Connolly, and teams like the Sabres had to sign guys like Leino as an option for their centre problems. All in all, while Gomez has a cap hit of 7M+ this offseason showed that there wasn’t anything to really spend it on, and seeing how we traded only Mcdonagh (good but nothing special/and we had Subban from that draft), its a risk I can live with.

    • Michael says:

      Let me throw something else in that people probably don’t remember. Plekanec was coming off a weaker season than his previous one and Cammalleri was reluctant to sign with Montreal because he wasn’t sure that we had a bona-fide centre for him to play beside. Gainey had to quickly get a big-name centre or risk losing Cammy to another bidder. Signing Gomez brought Cammalleri to Montreal and helped lure Gionta as well.

      • Sal says:

        What you say about the gomez trade attracting Cammy and Gio, is correct. What many of us see as the major flaw in the trade, was throwing in McDonogh, a sure thing prospect. Sather was trying to free up cap space from his incredibly poor earlier signings, including Gomez, so he could sign Gaboric. Plus the fact that gomez’s skills were in obvious decline. Therefore, the addition of McDonogh to the trade was a major error on the part of BG. Thats what he deserves to be remembered for.

        Sal from the Hammer

      • Chris says:

        Gionta has stated that Gomez had nothing to do with his signing in Montreal. At least he is honest.

        Cammalleri had two competitive offers on the table: Toronto and Montreal. Montreal was offering the $6 million figure that Cammalleri had long been associated with (a former poster relayed that the Kings players mocked Cammalleri’s fixation with that amount by labelling him Steve Austin…can’t verify that it is true, but it was pretty funny).

        Did Gomez grease the wheels for Cammalleri and Gionta? Cammy said yes, Gionta said no…I’m inclined to believe they both came for the money and the term, because that has historically been what motivates every player.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Let’s keep the timeline straight. The trade happened before Bob Gainey had a chance to talk to Mike Cammalleri and Brian Gionta. Both those guys got signed on July 1st, while Mr. Gomez was acquired on June 29. If Mr. Gainey had had this discussion with Mr. Cammalleri during which he would have indicated his reluctance to sign without a #1 centre in place, that would mean they talked before July 1, which would mean the Canadiens would have committed tampering. Which never happens in the NHL.

        ———————————
        How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • JoeC says:

      He should have resigned Koviu, the Gomez trade will NEVER be anything that the only thing Gainey is EVER gonna be remebered for, one of the worst trades of all times.

      • VancouverHab says:

        All (bad) attitude, no fact. Read the above facts & arguments.

        • JoeC says:

          just like its not a 100% fact that gio and Cammalleri came here because of Gomez, what they say to the media is not always the truth, look at how much $$$ they got to come here.

          • VancouverHab says:

            That part he says is speculation….

          • Michael says:

            They could have gotten as much money from other teams, especially when you factor in taxes. Also, it’s not as though saying, “I was concerned that my client didn’t have good centres to play with,” is sugar-coating it. Usually when agents lie to the media, it’s to say something positive.

          • cuzzie says:

            The tax rate in New York City is decimal points below Quebec. Acountants know how to maximize your revenue.

            Stay Thirsty My Friends!

          • Chris says:

            Michael: That summer, they couldn’t.

            Most of the attractive free agent destinations were maxed out or re-building. For example:

            The Rangers had to deal Gomez so that they had the money to sign Gaborik.

            Detroit lost Hudler to Europe as they low-balled him due to cap constaints.

            Philadelphia was pinched after the Pronger signing.

            Pittsburgh was desperate for players but had no room due to the Malkin and Crosby signings.

            San Jose was out of the running due to Thornton, Heatley, Marleau and Boyle.

            Chicago had no money as they had to worry about signing Toews, Kane and Keith the up-coming season, and we saw the casualties they ended up with.

            Montreal was one of a handful of teams that had a lot of cap space and could offer first-line opportunities. Toronto was another. There weren’t many others that season that were seen as players.

        • HardHabits says:

          The only fact in that comment was that Gomez got traded.

    • VancouverHab says:

      Wow — have I just left the evil-Spock twin H-I/O universe and entered the good-Spock H-I/O?

      Reading a even plausible explanation of the Gomez situation — Hell, even reading something like balance instead of the closed-minded one-sided dogmatic hatred is like dying-&-going-to-heaven.

      Have a beer on me.,..

    • Matt. says:

      Gomez has a cap hit of 7.3 million dollars.
      He has not scored a goal 44 games.
      He sucks defensively.
      Gomez makes his wingers worse.
      Eller and Desharnais are now better hockey players than Gomez.
      Koivu is still a better hockey player than Gomez, I wish they had kept him.
      McDonough is a top pairing D man for the Rangers right now, and is exactly the cheap, physical D man the Canadiens could use.

      Glen Sather completely fleeced Bob Gainey on that deal, in every way. He got the better hockey players, and he traded the worst contract in the NHL (maybe DiPietro’s is worse, whatever).

      I hope the Canadiens management has the sense to bury that plug in the AHL, and than the Canadiens can re-sign actual hockey players, like Price and Subban.

    • Sharks9 says:

      How do we know it hasn’t stopped the Habs from signing someone? Less cap space has prohibited us from even making offers to higher-profile free agents.

      25 before 14

  28. Bugs says:

    I think I see the Diaz issue, stays or goes, good or bad, useful or not, hierarchical designation, whatever you wanna call it.
    And I believe (just an opinion; don’t get mad) that Diaz is goin through what Desharnais is going through, that is, an unfavorable weighting system that pits them against “don’t-lose-face players”, such as Eller is to Dezzy, “Elller who’s so, so terrifical and plays so, so well, and never, ever stops working with all those work-ethics he has, and he could be a 1st line ctr one day, but DEFINITELY a 2nd line ctr; that’s for sure. And believe you me, once Eller actually starts PRODUCING something? Watch out. Watch out, mates. Hooooo-wee; watch out for Eller.”
    Meanwhile, Dezzy’s just rackin’em, and that right methodically. But he’s too small, and can’t skate, and maybe, just maybe, he could be a reasonably decent 3rd-liner one day, IF he works hard and wants it, of course.
    So, back to point 1:
    Let’s be real for one second, shall we? : Diaz is friggin unbelievable. Ok? He’s. Friggin. Good. He’s KICKIN AZZ out there.
    You all know Weber’s my boy. You know this. And I’m sayin: Diaz is kickin his azz.
    But lo! Let us consider something else: that Diaz is kickin Emelin’s azz. “Gaaaah!
    Don’t lose face on Emelin, boy! Diaz has GOTS to go!”
    Right?
    Well, eff that, man. Eff it. Eff it in the ear. Eff it in the OTHER ear, man. Eff that garbage up into HELL. Nuh. UH! on that bullspit, man.
    Vote No on Proposition Diaz…or is it Yes? Well…it’ll say on the ballot.
    And btw, t’weren’t the FIRST sure-goal Diaz has saved this season by throwing himself into the breach, was it?

    Back from the Brink’s boasts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • JIMVINNY says:

      Diaz is good, no doubt, but causes as many goals as he prevents. Still has lots to learn.

      And I’m not even going to bother getting into it with you about DD. I’ve never seen a guy wilt the way he did against the B’s in the corners last night. Even Spacek played tougher than he did.

    • krob1000 says:

      I don’t see what you are seeing as Desharnais is the one who got two real linemates…Eller gets AK and Moen. DD gets pp time, did last year too so I don’t see that part of your argument. The diff on Emelin is that we may lose him forever if he doesn’t play…we have been down that road before…..it took this long to get him here so let’s use him. If the guy can effectively play at the Olympics as a top 4 I think he can play in a lineup with Gill ,Spacek, Gorges, Diaz and Weber somewhere.

      • shiram says:

        Yep.

        Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

      • deggy24 says:

        You hit the nail on the head, ‘if Emelin is good enough to play in the Olympics with a top 5 nation, he should be able to crack our lineup’
        It is nice to have all these transition playing defencemen, I’m presupposing given the above, that Emelin is a little better defensively, and reasonable at transition as well .. he has looked reasonably ‘textbook’ in his appearances so far ..
        nice problem to have for the organization

        I guess the other comment is the one that has been made several times, loved our 2 man forecheck … good way to play the game if you have quick smaller players … you really need multiple systems, and the agressive forecheck is a welcome addition to the ‘sagging, everyone stand in front of our goalie’ system ..

        Habs Win!

        • Bugs says:

          Olympic JUNIOR team, yes?
          Maybe we should see who we can get from Finland’s jr team 5 years ago to play in Emelin’s place, or was he the best that lot had to offer?
          (I knew this would make some folks mad. Because Emelin, like Eller, is a don’t-lose-face player and we will say whatever we have to say to obfuscate the fact that some unhyped shlomos are beatin them silly.)

          Back from the Brink’s boasts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • cuts both ways, saving face re: eller

            as for emelin, not comparable, nothing to do with saving face, everything to do with saving an asset (his contract bugs)

      • Bugs says:

        So explain why AK and Moen are producing if Eller ain’t by being “saddled with them” if I may paraphrase nicely.
        Ooooo, that check is gonna be hard to evade, Krobbie.

        Back from the Brink’s boasts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • krob1000 says:

          lol….you do have your own style Bugs. Ak produces anywhere…he is what he is…a 20 goal , 50 point guy who may someday be more but he is that at the minimum. Moen? Not sure..he has shown one other spurt like this ..in Ana’s run to the cup. Eller is not yet anywhere near Desharnais offensively, he is also 2 years younger I believe. Eller is also learning to use his frame and is far better defensively. Both have upside but if choosing right now who I give the better wingers to…I go to DD. 2 years from now? not so sure ..but right now DD is effective with two good wingers. He does need work on his speed, does struggle at times in the corners…Eller struggles in other areas too.

          • Bugs says:

            Hey, hey, now, Krobbie; let’s stick to your initial statement, that the reason Eller is not producing is because he’s with Ak (6pts) and Moen (5pts), that he was ONLY able to pick 2 passes on their SEVEN goals.
            C’mon, Krobbie.
            Dezzy has 5 passes for his line’s FIVE goals.
            One is up to par, and one is lacking.
            To suggest that it’s the poor quality of his wingers (who are scoring MORE than Dezzy’s!) that deprive him of pts is, I’m sorry, not credible.

            Back from the Brink’s boasts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • shiram says:

            Eller just does not get the PP time though, while DD does.
            Travis Moen averages 2:53 PP TOI, AK 1:38, DD 3:13 and Lars gets 0:18 PP TOI.

            Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

          • Bugs says:

            Moen gets 2.53 TOI during pps per game?! Are you SURE about that, Shira?
            Because if it’s true that Mo gets 2.53 for Eller’s 0.18, then I guess that says it all. Proof would then be in the pudding, no? The disparity is so dramatic that one cannot infer anything ELSE but that Eller is useless in a production role, no? If Moen is preferred by such a wide margin. It says it all.

            Are you sure about 2.53?

            Back from the Brink’s boasts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • shiram says:

            Actually no, got it wrong reading on NHL’s TOI stats page, I read Cammy’s line instead of the Moen.
            Well Moen should get tons of PP time, as he is so frakking awesome powerforward materials.

            Heh. Well DD does get 3:13 and Eller 0:18.
            Got me there Bugs.
            Still think there’s more upside to Eller.

            Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

    • patience is a virtue says:

      LOL. That was vintage Bugs. Vintage.

      Not sure you are right about Diaz. He’s had his share of gaffs and giveaways. Time will tell.

      You are right about DD getting short changed. But Eller is showing flashes of brilliance and consistent progression, IMNSHO. His puck protection, passing and vision are very impressive. The production will come. Maybe…

      • VancouverHab says:

        Looks to me like DD gets way too MUCH credit, not too little here. I hope he becomes great, but I think he’s a 3rd-line centre (and a useful one) or maybe 4th line.

        That’s awesome, but many around here are, or at least were, over-praising him as the new Pocket Rocket.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Is the fact that Ellers role is different than DD’s a factor, just as Emelins role would be different than that of Diaz?

      • Bugs says:

        Exactly what ROLE is Eller “playing” with K Senior and Moen racking up pts beside him? The stay-out-of-the-way-and-let-you-guys-produce role? Ok. Hey, maybe.
        As for Diaz and Emelin, they DO have the same roll, Burly. They’re playing the “seize-the-moment-regardless-of-what-position-I’m-in-and-show-everyone-what-I-can-do-so-as-to-stay-with-the-club role.
        And it’s quite clear Diaz plays that role better than Emelin.

        Back from the Brink’s boasts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • Or, you know, the defensive role. Or perhaps digging up the puck and winning puck battles, aka doing all the work for the line.

          http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

          • Bugs says:

            Plekanec does that too. And his wingers are scoring LESS than Eller’s. Yet he produces just the same, whilst being “defensive”.
            So what is it we want? We WANT a defensive forward who picks up no points while his wingers do and just content to dig it out and play good defense?
            Ok. Nothing wrong with that.
            That’s a 3rd line ctr though. That’s what that is. It’s not anything else.
            As for Dezzy, we can start talking about how poorly he compares to Eller AFTER he stops producing like a 2nd line ctr, what do you say?

            Back from the Brink’s boasts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • Bugs, you are aware that two of Moen’s points were scored before Eller had played, and his 3 remaining points were a direct result of plays by Eller?

            I’m also assuming that you know lines haven’t been steady since the start of the season. This would also assume that you’re watching the games and not just looking at a stat sheet.

            Eller is playing against better players than Desharnais is, and he’s played far better at even strength. He gets the secondary defensive assignment behind Plekanec (as you point out) while Desharnais is on the exploitation line, essentially playing against the other team’s worst players.

            You can quote counting numbers all you’d like, but your perception of the situation isn’t reality. The Cammalleri – Desharnais – Cole line is being deployed by the coaching staff as the 3rd line.

            http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

          • Bugs says:

            (chuckle)
            Let me guess, Berkie. YOUR perception is reality, right? Sorry about that.
            Eller is much better than Desharnais. Yes. I see that now.
            The reasons his mates around him produce and Dezzy produces while he does not are many and complicated, but we can be sure of one “real” thing, and that’s that Eler’s lack of production has NOTHING to do with HIS own play, as it does with every other player in the league, nevermind Dezzy, but indeed, as how he is played AGAINST, yes, UNLIKE every other player in the league, nevermind Dezzy.
            I got it.
            Thanks, Berkie.

            Back from the Brink’s boasts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • It’s not my perception Bugs, it’s the coach’s.

            http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

          • Bugs says:

            The coach who gives Dezzy pp time and not Eller?
            That coach?

            Back from the Brink’s boasts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • lol dunno how you do it berkie

    • Chris says:

      In my case, I just like Eller more as a player than Desharnais. I love all three of Emelin, Diaz and Weber. For me, they stay and Gill and Spacek are let go.

      Markov, Gorges, Subban, Emelin, Diaz, Weber…I can live with that.

      • Bugs says:

        That’s fine. Got no problem with that.
        But me, personally, I prefer pts to no pts.
        It’s a purely business decision, I know. But I mean it.
        Business, that is.

        Back from the Brink’s boasts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • Chris says:

          I like Desharnais and his production. But I also think Eller will, long-term, be the better player. So I’m okay with how things are going now…Eller is developing, Desharnais is playing and scoring.

          • Bugs says:

            I think that, “long-term”, my nephew (who’s 3) will be a 67-goal scorer double-shifted on the 1st line, way, waaaaay better than Dezzy.
            But until that ACTUALLY happens (cuz he’s still “developing” right now, you see), yeah, I agree, let’s leave Dezzy there for the time being.

            Back from the Brink’s boasts L. B. Potter, esq.

  29. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …to Me, one of the under-rated results of Burke’s trade for Kessel was not Kessel himself, but Joe Colbourne …a potential Joe Thornton-lite
    …has any of Our Enlightened Habs’ Fans in Turd …er, Toronto have an opportunity to evaluate Joe Colbourne ?
    …if He is even half what I expect He will become, the MuppleWeeds may indeed be well on it’s way to be re-christened the Maple Leafs
    :) …difficult to ponder …BUT within the realm, at least, of a possibility

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

  30. Natrous says:

    Hindsight is 20/20, but in terms of the Gomez deal, at the time the trade went down, it didn’t seem as bad as it has turned out (hear me out on this).

    Higgins was having an off-year and proving to be a good bottom-six forward (as he has fully proven today), and McDonagh was suffering what scouts were calling a “significant setback in his development” during his final year in college. It was starting to look as though McDonagh could turn out to be a bust at one point while at U of Wisconsin, and hope was diminishing after the David Fischer saga. Janik and Valentenko were inconsequential throw-ins.

    Gomez was later credited by some sources to have helped bring in Gionta, Cammalleri and lure other UFA players who would never have considered Montreal due to taxes, language, pressure, *insert excuse here*, etc. Pyatt was useful on the penalty kill and bottom six minutes, proving to be a speedy forward with terrible luck.

    OBVIOUSLY we lost this trade, hands down. AT THE TIME, I’m not sure people were running into the streets to riot like we see day in, day out on these boards. Were we all this upset when Gomez put up 58 points in his first season as a Hab, and led us through 19 playoff games, averaging almost a point per game in those playoffs? You don’t pay $7M per year for regular season numbers, but you would pay $7M per year for playoff experience and post-season point-getting.

    We have a SERIOUSLY short memory folks. All I can hope for is that Gomez has another turn around year, as his career statistics seem to indicate he will (I say this knowing it would be hard for him to do worse than 38 points).

    • HabsFan1111 says:

      Agreed 100%. I was not violently opposed when it went down, I did not like the idea of losing McDonaugh, but, at the time, Gomez seemed like a major upgrade for Higgins. Also, I’m not sure what other centres were on the market at the time, but that would be a big consideration.

    • krob1000 says:

      I was not a fan of the trade then and am not a fan now. I remember trying to spin the positive out of it but the year prior we mocked the Gomez deal on this site relentlessly…then we traded for him to replace our captain. There have been a few times over the years where I have tried to justify it to myself and talk myself through it but for the most part I have been pretty consistent. The increasing cap hit, some good young players coming in,etc helped offset the impact and it was not as bad as I thought it would be. I just don;t think he will be back next eyar if either Eller or Dd shows any contineud ability (and I think they both have when flanked by two top wingers).
      The Mcdonaugh thing was just too much as everyone knew we shouldn’t be throwing anything in let alone a first pick. Sure he was struggling at the time but he still had trade value adn we were the team assuming someone elses problem.

    • Chris1138 says:

      That’s exactly how I remember it going down. I was under the impression that McDonough was not turning out nearly as well as hoped and I’m surprised he’s working out so well for the Rangers.

      –| Brad Marchand | Starley Cup Chanpiar 2011 |–

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …both Eric Desjardins and John Leclair were visibly blooming in the eyes of most fans at the time …most Fans, at the time, were very perplexed about the brain-dead trade …sound familiar ?
      …I was in China when I heard news of the stupid trade …and You could hear Me screaming NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!! all the way from Shanghai to Ste. Catherine Street ……if You were listening carefully

      Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
      http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

    • Chris says:

      A couple of things.

      First, the trade was made in the summer of 2009. Ryan McDonagh had just completed his sophomore season and still had two years of NCAA eligibility left. He was already a regular defenceman for one of the top programs in the country, and I had not read too much to indicate that anybody was worried about his development. The only negatives surrounded his World Juniors performance that, to be honest, I could care less about as the World Juniors are not a good showcase for defensive players who rely on familiarity with their partner and goaltender and comfort with the system more than the offensive players do.

      As for the trade, I was 100% against it from Day 1 and remain so. Gomez simply was not a player I thought could help the Habs and I don’t think he has particularly. He had a decent playoff in the first season, but was invisible for all of last season.

      My biggest concern, his cap hit, has not been the anchor I thought it would be because the salary cap went up much more than most people expected. So in that way alone, he has actually not been as much of a detriment as I thought he might have been.

      Cammalleri made one comment about how it was great that Gomez was in Montreal and people have run with it. Gionta has stated that the Gomez signing had absolutely no bearing on his decision; he wanted to stay in New Jersey, but they only offered $3-3.5 M and Montreal offered $5 M and more term and Lou Lamoriello told him to accept Montreal’s offer as New Jersey couldn’t match it.

      Like you, I hope he turns it around. I don’t think he is the impediment that many here think…he simply isn’t particularly useful. Gomez is, at this point, the highest paid role player in the NHL. Given that the team could still afford the players I wanted them to sign, I don’t have any problem with that.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        There’s a little more to the “Gomez allowed us to sign Cammalleri and Gionta” story. Bob Gainey himself explained the trade as such at the time, that his acquisition proved to free agents that the Canadiens were serious about winning and created a climate where they signed without too much arm-twisting. So maybe not a direct cause and effect, but a correlation.

        Nowadays, the culture has changed to the point where players are happy to come here. The facilities and the organization are two factors which are often quoted as positives by players. These are all reasons why we should acknowledge the hard work put in and successes achieved by Mr. Gainey and Mr. Gauthier after the Dark Ages of Houleian Pestilence.

        ———————————
        How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  31. HabinBurlington says:

    Did Tremblay say some stuff about Pierre MacGuire on the telecast last night? Thought I heard something today on Team 990 about that.

  32. Mattyleg says:

    Hey, hey!
    Got a question, this is a serious one, and it relates to something I posted waaaaay down the page.

    Everyone always goes on about how terrible the Leclair trade was yadda yadda yadda.

    I seem to remember that he was unproductive in Montreal OVERALL. He had flashes of brilliance, which is what drove everyone nuts, but just couldn’t seem to get it together.

    I remember the team, media, and fans alike pulling their hair out, trying to figure out what was going on with him, and him tossing out the general platitudes of someone who can’t get their sh!t together.

    The general consensus was that he’d play well elsewhere, but wasn’t going to click with the Habs.

    Does that make getting rid of him a bad trade? I don’t think so.

    Am I the only one who remembers the situation like this?
    Am I going crazy here?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Matty would love to defend you, can only partially. To me he was a good player taking protypical path to being a power forward, in otherwords takes longer. I was pissed we gave up on him, but was hopeful Recchi still had something in tank.

      No he hadn’t done alot consistently for us, but had some particular big games which gave us a taste for how good he could one day be.

      Recchi no longer had the high level talent and was on his way to becoming a savvy veteran who could help a team on the verge of winning. PLus I believe he was taking an understudy Medical role at McGill at the time.

      • Chris says:

        This is an odd comment.

        Recchi was only 15 months older than Leclair when the trade was made. Recchi was coming off back-to-back stellar seasons in which he put up 93 goals and 230 points. At 26 years old, there was no reason to expect that he wasn’t in his peak. And the reality was that he remained in his peak, but his supporting cast was diminished.

        Lindros was an absolute beast at that point in his career. He helped Recchi average 45 goals per season, a total that Recchi never came close to again, and then elevated Leclair to a 45 goal player.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Odd Comment from an Odd person is all, it is how I remembered it Chris, Recchi looked like no scorer to me in Mtl in my opinon.

          Edit: I recognize he put some decent points in Mtl, but no 40 or 50 goal seasons like we had seen earlier in his career.

          His stats never ever rose again to the Pre Montreal years, not sure how that is not declining. And as for linemates, well that argument can go round and round for all players. We didn’t trade for his linemates we traded for him.

          • Chris says:

            Players don’t generally decline at 26 years of age. That’s all that I’m implying. Leclair was an up-and-coming player while Recchi was on the decline, but they were 1 year apart….that doesn’t make much sense.

            Both guys excelled while riding shotgun for Eric Lindros, who was perhaps the most dominant player in the league in the mid-1990′s…that is the common thread. You are correct that that argument can be made all the time, but it is also often correct. :)

      • initially, pundits called the trade favoring the habs, recchi was one of the top scoring players in the league, comming off of a season high that is to THIS DAY, a flyers record

        6 months later, it became a bad trade, for obvious reasons

    • That was probably the story pushed by the media, but he was a young power forward, and they rarely put it together very young. He was consistently improving in Montreal before the trade.

      There’s also the Eric Desjardins part of the trade which made it even worse.

      http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

    • Chris says:

      Leclair was a 20 goal, 45 point guy for Montreal when he was traded, but the key was that he had just turned 25. His prime years were still ahead of him. That being said, I think he really needed Lindros and vice versa. Some guys just get one another, and Lindros and Leclair were a great example, with Renberg being a good complimentary player to them.

      The problem with the Leclair trade was not Leclair, but the loss of Desjardins. I could live with losing Leclair, because Recchi was a decent offensive forward himself.

      But throwing away the team’s best defenceman in the deal was a killer. The Habs were counting on that Patrice Brisebois and Mathieu Schneider could fill in the gap created by Desjardins’ absence, a perhaps reasonable expectation until Schneider got himself traded out of town due to a conflict with Patrick Roy.

      Make no mistake…Patrick Roy was the boss of the Montreal Canadiens under Jacques Demers, who let Roy flout every rule that the other players were expected to follow. The Schneider case is obviously special, if the rumnours were true, but you have to wonder if chafing under that obvious contradiction didn’t contribute to the surprising decision to trade Kirk Muller, a consummate team guy and leader who probably wouldn’t have appreciated the double standard, along with Schneider for Turgeon and Malakhov, a pair of guys who weren’t fiery competitors and thus unlikely to threaten Roy’s stranglehold on the team.

      So much focus in the decline of the Canadiens has been paid to Leclair and Roy, but the loss of Desjardins and Schneider might have been the more devastating loss. The defence corps was dramatically weakened, forcing Brisebois into a role he wasn’t suited and forcing the team to rely on the skilled but enigmatic Malakhov.

      With a much weakened defence in front of him, Roy’s stats began to go downhill, and any student of Patrick Roy knows that very little meant more to him during the regular season than his personal statistics. He probably recognized that his opportunities to compete for the Vezina Trophy and Stanley Cups were fading with the Habs, so the eventual trade was, in my opinion, inevitable. I wish they had dumped Roy sooner and held on to Desjardins and Schneider.

      • Always nice to see a hit job based on innuendo and rumour.

        http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

        • Chris says:

          Aren’t you the one that reported the Beaulieu Twitter stuff last summer? And aren’t you the one that has brought up the Corson/Tucker allegations on numerous occasions?

          I did not list at all what the rumours were, merely that there is a well publicised rumour that you can find quite easily. It is **NOT** rumour that Patrick Roy and Mathieu Schneider were in a fist fight in the locker room. Nor that Patrick Roy was being treated differently than his teammates under Demers…Demers has freely admitted as much in numerous interviews over the years.

          The Muller issue is conjecture on my part, but one borne out by remember how shocked Muller was to be dealt that season.

          • Reported? I relayed an article from allhabs.net about Beaulieu.

            Corson/Tucker is well documented. Ask anyone who ever met them when they were in Montreal. Corson even has an arrest record.

            Whether Roy got special treatment isn’t the conjecture, it’s the pushing that he was at fault for a leadership struggle on the Habs. Or that Roy needed passive players to sate his ego. It stinks of media narrative to describe a crap situation after it’s already happened. Subban and Plekanec got into a fist fight last year, I haven’t seen either of them traded. Cammalleri and Gorges fought in 2009, they’re both still here.

            My biggest problem with this crap you’re purporting as fact is I’ve only ever heard it from two sources: you and Red Fisher.

            Never was there a single report about a leadership conflict in Colorado in spite of a strong leadership group with Sakic, Forsberg, Foote, Blake, Drury etc.

            http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

          • HabinBurlington says:

            You want Corson/Tucker stories, huh, got lots from here in Toronto one involving a friend of mine, another involving a friends daughter who was bartending at the time.

            These two do not have class cornered.

            But Corson did for awhile lay it all on the line when playing for the Habs and that I can’t forget.

          • Chris says:

            Andrew: Read the interview by Michael Farber here.

            Regarding fights…players get into fights all the time in practice. It is pretty rare to see players throwing punches in the dressing room between periods, as was the case with Roy on Schneider.

            Regarding Corson: yes, he has an arrest record (actually arrested twice), but NOT for what people often cite as fact about him and Tucker. There has never been an arrest nor a legitimate news report of the Corson/Tucker rumours, just a “well documented” he-said, she-said type of thing. By definition, it is a rumour…it might be well-founded, but it is a rumour because it hasn’t been proven.

            You accuse me of pushing a media narrative. Give me the benefit of the doubt…this is me pushing my own narrative. I base it on what I’ve seen and read of Patrick Roy. Roy was an ego-maniac. The bad blood from he and Tremblay was not born when Tremblay stupidly left him in net for 9 Detroit goals, but earlier in the season when Tremblay humiliated Roy in front of the team and began insisting that the rules applied to Roy equally.

            As to Colorado, I addressed that…I feel strongly that Patrick Roy was a very intelligent person and a tremendous hockey player. When he found a good situation, Patrick Roy could harness his ego because it would allow him to pad his stats. Why rock the boat when you are playing for one of the elite teams in the league?

            Everything with these trades is conjecture and opinion. I definitely don’t want anybody to think I have any inside knowledge other than that gleamed from 15 years of articles, internet debates and anecdotes. These are simply my takes on the situation, and I fully admit that there is an awful lot of conjecture.

            That being said, I’m not at all uncomfortable with the position based on what I saw of Patrick Roy during his career and how he has behaved since.

          • Yeah, Roy magically checked his ego for nearly a decade to “pad his stats”. Right.

            Nothing in that article supports your idea that Roy put himself before the team or his stats before the team.

            I just don’t see it Chris, and it’s a heavy accusation.

            http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

  33. sCOTT1243 says:

    - Well Price….welcome back kid!

    - Gomez…hmmm, assuming JM will put him back in the lineup, all I ask is don’t put him back with Gionta.
    - Eller, comon buddy start potting those chances.
    - Spacek, wake up back there.
    - Gill, might be time to think about the big “R”
    - Blunden last night you did alot of yapping take care of your new teamates.
    - Pleks – welcome back.
    - AK46, keep it going you’re almost there.
    - loving Cole right now, guys got some sick moves.
    - PK, visions of old PK coming back.

    Catch those leafs! I can’t stand the ribbing from my friends right now.

    • habs03 says:

      “Spacek, wake up back there”???
      The guy has been playing very well. He blocked 6-7 shots last night, along with adding an assist.

      • Mr. Biter says:

        Eller has been playing good but seems to have devolped “Pyatt Syndrome”. Symptoms are can’t hit hockey net with puck. This is not a knock on Eller as I believe he will devolp into a top six forward. Cole (now that he’s playing) is looking worth every penny we are paying him. PK, please take boxing lessons. Saying that I am glad to see that he did drop the gloves to show that he will fight (besides talk), but if he would have crushed the Broon it definatly would have stopped players from taking runs at him (ala. Robinson) who granted was a tough customer, but very few opposition players ever took runs at him for fear of a “beatdown”. If PK can learn to fight less players will take runs at him due to what might happen to them.

        Mr. Biter

      • bleedhabs81 says:

        Spacek: He is doing it while asleep! If he wakes up he will be a force (think Oilers or Sabers)

  34. likehoy says:

    anyone hoping we can swing a deal for Kyle Turris?

    Gomez + 2nd?

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      I love it.

      Any single player that is listed as potentially available (although it was stated that Phoenix is not looking to trade Turris) and someone immediately suggests we trade for them with Gomez.

      As it stands today, no one will take Gomez. Maybe next off season… maybe later in the year if he starts to put up some points. I can’t see anyone wanting him right now. Not even as a throw in.

      PG: Hey, do you want to trade for Carey Price
      GM1: Sure
      PG: He is yours…. if you take Gomez to
      GM1:

    • MileEnd says:

      No one is going to take Gomez. Ever. Ever ever ever.

      Worst contract in the NHL vs. value.

      Turris was taken 3RD overall 4 years ago and is about to hit his prime.

      To put it in perspective, would you trade PK (43rd overall, same draft) for Rich Peverley and a 2nd? Peverley had around the same points as Gomez last year and is two years younger.

      You would probably need to give up a 1st AND a decent prospect to get him out of Phoenix.

  35. Great comment on Puck Daddy today about Price whiffing on that goal last night:

    “Montreal just wanted to show that with Pacioretty back, they could win with a badly injured line-up on the second game of a back-to-back while playing well-rested Boston at home, even after spotting them a goal.

    Mission accomplished!”

    http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

    • patience is a virtue says:

      I was actually surprised they won. Sure, the Habs dominated the 2nd, but, as you pointed out statistically below, they were owned in the 1st. The third was kind of a draw.

      I felt they played better in the Colorado, Florida, Buffalo and even Toronto losses.

      Carey was certainly solid, despite his generosity on the 1st Plek’s goal :)

      • HabinBurlington says:

        We managed through a terrible 1st period. I think we still need some physicality to help us with that, and we were also coming off game night before with travel. Boston was laying around Beantown all week waiting. Lets see how it goes Saturday.

        • patience is a virtue says:

          Yes. Saturday is very important. For the pride and the points. But also for setting the right mood for 5 days of hard practicing before the schedule resumes.

      • The Habs have played better games, but it’s important to remember that Boston is a damn good team, in spite of their record. Also that we’d played another good team the night before.

        The Buffalo game remains the best game the team has played this year.

        http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

        • patience is a virtue says:

          Fair, but didn’t the Bs seem in a bit of a funk to you? Their dump and chase game was wreaking havok but it seemed like they couldn’t set up the scoring chances after the first. Or was it just the return of The System in full force with solid back checking by the Habs’ forwards?

          On the other hand, Montreal’s passing game was way off compared to the past two games.

          I was generally underwhelmed by both teams (goalies excepted), but happy the Habs did all of the scoring.

          I expect Boston to be ruthless on Sat and hope the Habs are up for it.

          100% agree about the Buffalo game. Shame to have lost that one. The boys earned it. Miller was unreal.

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      I was going to come on here and ask the Boston Trolls what they thought of the game. You know, since the Habs did all the scoring….

      Figure I would wait until sunday so I can really rub salt in the wounds.

  36. chilli says:

    I just read that Eklund article about JM and PG and I can’t believe I am in agreement with it. It’s very factual. What I don’t like is how Price needs to steal wins for us to win…. but our 4th line actually looks like a 4th line now and our D seems to be looking for comfortable. They will continue to make mistakes but they are young.

    How useless is Gionta?. I’ll take Gomez over Gionta any day of the week. At least Gomez can carry the puck out of our zone. There is value to that.

    Kenoptka at 700g was the big miss. We get hammered and tossed around like rag-dolls. Moen should not have to step up EVERY time. He needs some help. Lucic would have destroyed Moen last night.

    This team will start to gel. Heck, if Toronto is the beast from the east – on paper, we can gel and be a good team.

    Tre

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I am sure Konopka weighs more than 700 grams, I will check and get back.

      Edit: 6′, 211lbs, and 700K per season, would have been happy to have him. Sorry was trying to be funny earlier.

  37. krob1000 says:

    Canadien Errant: the new formatting doesn’t allow me to reply to your last post….
    I did edit that post…as soon as I was able…I type the post/idea get it out in between phone calls..then I go back and edit them when I can (sometimes I can’t as I post from work and get busy and then it is too late). I also have difficulty trying to edit them in the text box that we type them out in originally….I find it easier to post it…then read it over once it is posted as it is easier to view…then fix them after…sometimes in stages for longer posts.

  38. D Mex says:

    A post below revives the notion of burying Gomez in the minors – upside of this doesn’t jump out at me. The cap space I get – no problem there. But who do you bring in, then, to skate in that spot ? Move Eller up – OK, then, who skates in THAT spot ? and so on.

    It’s not as tho there’s a surplus of available talent in the middle … so we package up some legitimate talent to trade for who exactly and are left with what exactly to work with the new messiah ?? The burden of the Gomez contract will lighten soon enough but, until then, I don’t see the point of flogging this same old nag over and over again.

    Shea Weber as part of a mega-trade, what about trying to kick some life into that one, boys ? I’m thinking he would look good here with Beaulieu in a couple of years …

    ALWAYS Habs -
    D Mex

    • RetroMikey says:

      Is it me or does it look like Spacek needs to lose some pounds as well some other Habs players who look out of shape?

      “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • shiram says:

      I’d be willing to finish the season with Pleks, Eller, DD and Nokia down the center.

      Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

    • patience is a virtue says:

      Exactly – there is no magic tree growing top six centres out there. Some will argue that DD and Eller are ready. I hope that will eventually be the case, but don’t see it quite yet. More importantly, Gomez has a little more rope to do with what he will this young season. Let’s see if him, Gio and Patches can get it going again. It is quite possible that his minutes will be cut hard or that he will be traded or sent down if he is not producing by 2012.

      Those who obsess about this issue are either bored, simple-minded, or natural whine boxes. It’s important, but scapegoating Gomez, JM and Spac, oh, and AK, over and over and over and over again gets old fast for those of us who enjoy rational, researched discussion and debate.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      What if everyone judges Gomez after his impending return when healthy. Seems many players on this team are playing a better brand of hockey since PearnGate, perhaps a healthy Gomez gets utilized better also and performs better.

      Just a thought, otherwise lets start stringing the noose together, gotta admit thought I had some real good heavy rope to use but a bunch of leaf fans came by my house mumbling something about Komisarek and appear to have taken the rope.

    • vivsterjuve88 says:

      Look at the way our team has clicked in all their games this week. We’ve got 3 lines capable of cycling and scoring, and a now a relatively respectable 4th line, all without gomez.
      So far this season with gomez in the lineup we’ve had the foundation for a line that has to be in our top 3, but can’t spark offense and most importantly of all, can’t play defense. For the past few seasons and continuing his +/- is very negative, which means not only can we not put him on the ice to create offense, we have reason to be nervous that while he’s on there we’ll be scored on, then need to send out the other lines to make up for it.
      He may have moved his feet in pre-season but he was a lazy slug in all our regular season games and had diminishing ice-time to show for it. He can’t keep up with the young work ethic of desharnais and eller, who are both developing in skill and maturity, or plekanec who’s already our designated work horse at center. Let those 3 run our 3 scoring lines (they seem to have each found wingers they can play with) and get gomez’s lazy rotting attitude out of there.
      I was a strong supporter of keeping him until the end of the summer, believing we couldn’t get a higher quality center or puck mover than him even if the cap space was made, but lets be real here, while he does have skill he kills time on the ice we could be using to try and score, while threatening our defense, and I don’t think it helps our captain’s struggles when he’s trapped on a line with this guy as their minutes steadily plummet. Time to move him gomez of here, regardless of whether we find an alternative to consume his cap space with.

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      Shea weber would look good paired up with a mannequin. Nashville better figure that whole thing out.

  39. Habitoban says:

    In addition to his dry sense of humour, Spacek’s interviews are always candid and bromide-free. Pretty good for an athlete working in his second language.

  40. 24 Cups says:

    I just scrolled through today’s comments. What gives with all the animosity toward Krob? Rob is one of the most astute and likeable guys on the site.

    “What we’ve got here is failure to communication”. (Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fuDDqU6n4o

    • krob1000 says:

      thanks 24 but no worries…I normally would have ignored it but the whole typing thing gets kind of old….and Chorske knew I was kidding about the drinking,etc. I come here for the discussion, diff’t opinions and lately have been sticking to only replying to the people I know this won’t happen with (was surprised actually to see the Canadien Errant one as I do read his or her posts)….but the grammar thing bugs me….my bad.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Hopefully another Hab win this weekend and we can all play the tape of Rodney King “why can’t we all just get along” and we will be in a happy place solidly ahead of the Bruins in the standings.

        Cheers!

      • Chorske says:

        I have zero problem with the language thing.

        I am fatigued regarding the Gomez thing. It honestly chaps my ass.

        I DO extremely resent people simplifying my position and deriding it as “Chorske blindly loves everything about PG and JM”. A poster says that, and uses a straw man argument to mock my position… well, I find that weak- and I certainly expect better from someone who has been around for as long as krob (and is as generally likeable).

    • HabsPEI31 says:

      24 Cups, re your quote. It’s said at first by the Captain, I believe played by Strother Martin. Newman doesn’t say it again til the end of the film…

      “Only a goalie can appreciate what a goalie goes through.” – Jacques Plante

      • Rugger says:

        Yes but the Bill Murray SNL skit when Strother Martin was the guest host is more appropriate: “What we have here is a failure to communicate – Bilingually”

      • 24 Cups says:

        You’re right, that’s why I included the clip. (I love how the warden delivers his lines. Freud would have a lot to say about that guy’s inner workings)

        I think Newman says it just before he gets shot in the church scene at the end of the movie. The cops were ready to take him to the hospital but the warden of the prison says, “he’s mine”. At which point he takes him back to the jail (with the full intention that Newman will never make it back alive).

        They don’t make films like that anymore. Just blockbusters, remakes and mindless crap that features pretty faces and comedians who don’t know the first thing about being truly funny.

        • HabsPEI31 says:

          I like how we’re left wondering if Luke will make, with that little smile of his as they take him away in the ambulance…

          Great Escape is a great flick, to0. Remaking it would be a massive blunder.

          “Only a goalie can appreciate what a goalie goes through.” – Jacques Plante

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      24 Cups, no animosity on my part. I do throw up my hands in frustration sometimes at some of the stuff I see posted, I guess I interpret it as lack of respect for one’s readers, but I do try to keep a respectful tone and discuss things civilly. In any case, in light of your comment and to avoid further monopolizing the conversation, I’ll be good now.

      Homer: If you don’t start making more sense, we’re going to have to put you in a home.
      Grampa: You already put me in a home.
      Homer: Then we’ll put you in the crooked home we saw on 60 Minutes.
      Grampa: [cowering] I’ll be good.

      ———————————
      How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • D Mex says:

      ” BANG ! ” (response to Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke)

      ALWAYS Habs -
      D Mex

  41. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Cedrick Desjardins on waivers per Bob McKenzie

  42. C_exacte says:

    #79!!! excuse me sir, is this Christmas morning?

  43. Danno says:

    Can we give Spacek his own show on the Comedy Network please?

    He has a great sense of humour and is always a fun interview.

    ________________________________________

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  44. Habs actually got out-chanced last night by a fair margin 21-12, and 18-11 at even strength. However most of that was in the first period which was truly atrocious. The Bruins in that period out-chanced Montreal 10-1. In the final 20 minutes the Habs pulled it together though and held the edge in play at ES with a 10-9 scoring chance advantage.

    http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

    • Chorske says:

      I’m going to have to look into this scoring chance website some more, I still need to be convinced that I buy into their definition of a scoring chance. I’m still ponderin’.

      That said, their numbers certainly paint an accurate picture of who had the momentum throughout yesterday’s game.

      • There’s lots of argument about what constitutes a scoring chance. What Olivier uses is a “baseball home plate” that goes from the crease, out to the faceoff dots, then back half way to the blueline. Any shot or missed shot within that counts as a scoring chance. Blocked shots don’t count, although some people do count them.

        I’m not 100% sure, but I think Olivier also counts point shots if they’re screened as scoring chances.

        http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

      • sane hockey fan says:

        Yeah I agree. 21 scoring chances on 30 shots does seem a bit much.

          • sane hockey fan says:

            yes but how can shot attempts be considered scoring chances. If a shot goes wide or is blocked and doesn’t make it to the net how can it be considered a scoring chance? I mean for something to be considered a scoring chance doesn’t it have to have a decent chance of going in? I’ve played hockey a long time and I’ve never shot the puck wide and have it go in…but the main point is that the bruins out chanced us and that i agree with.

          • So when Diaz blocked a clear empty net goal that wasn’t a scoring chance? All a scoring chance is, is a chance to score. If a player has a breakaway, beats the goaltender and hits the post, it’s a scoring chance, even if it goes down as a missed shot.

            http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

          • hansolo says:

            Andrew, correct me if i’m wrong:

            At first, it didn’t make sense to me either that shots that were blocked or went wide should be counted as scoring chances. But ultimately, the issue is who had the better of the play, isn’t it? If the team was in position to have more shots from the slot than the other team, they outplayed the other team. It doesn’t matter so much that the shots went wide or were blocked by a defender other than the goalie. At least that’s how I’ve come to explain it to myself that the denominator isn’t 30 shots on goal but 61 shots towards the net.

          • sane hockey fan says:

            Ok ill give you that on the dive…its funny, my old junior coach told us that posts dont count as sog BECAUSE they don’t have a chance to go in. So in my mind posts != scoring chance. But the way you present it makes sense too because if you have the goalie beat and just miss the net or hit the pipe its still considered a scoring chance. I ts an interesting topic..do you know if there is a specific definition of what a scoring chance is according to NHL?

          • @hansolo: that’s how I see it.

            @sanehockeyfan: There’s no consensus on scoring chances. Olivier’s is the one I like best. Some people only count ES scoring chances, some teams only count shots on goal.

            http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

    • Say Ash says:

      So you’re saying Diaz lying across the goal line isn’t part of “the system”?

  45. J_P says:

    Still scratching my head over the d’agostini for palushaj trade. Dags wasnt exactly old when we traded him, and Palushaj isnt exactly a great prospect. Dags is doing pretty well, and actually leads the NHL in +/-, so its not like he was poor defensively and wouldnt fit in to JM’s “system”.

    Why exactly did we make that trade? Anyone remember why the habs did it at the time?

    • dhenry1234 says:

      I’m pretty sure that I remember hearing that he wanted out. Kind of like how max pac last year wanted to play in the hammer instead of being scratched in mtl. Same kind of thing was happening to Dagger except we traded him away instead of giving him a chance.

      And there’s no way i’m 100% right on this it was a while ago aha.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Dags did very well in his first few games. Then he got a concussion, and when he came back he was not as good as he used to be. It took him a year to regain his form, by which time our in-house talent evaluators (whoever they may be) had given up on him. I agree that Palushaj will never make it in the NHL.

      Is there a worse team than us right now at evaluating its own young talent? This is by far reason number one Gauthier needs to be fired.

    • Jordio-oh says:

      The important thing to remember is that Palushja is three years younger than D’Agostini.

      Last season Palushja got 57 points in 68 games. At the same age, D’Agostini got 53 points in 76 games.

      when the Habs dealt D’Agostini he had 4 points in 40 games with a -12. Sometimes its just as simple as a change in scenery and each side of the management making a trade that they each think will help them in the end.

      Its impossible not to get blurred by hindsight, but at the time, trading away a struggling winger for a younger prospect that the Habs felt could develop into a better player made sense for management at the time.

      In the end, St Louis could very well win the deal, but not by a big enough margin to get upset over. In most cases one side wins the deal. But as fans, its not surprising that we scrutinize every single deal we lose.

      As of right now, I say we win the Halak deal. So it has a way of evening itself out.

      • jmsheehy19 says:

        Thank you for one of the most reasonable posts I’ve read on the subject. Palusjah is still young, and at the time of the trade, dags wasn’t working here. He is now, and I’m glad for him. But what really boggles me is posters condemning the organization for giving up on young talent too soon, and then doing the same thing themselves to Palusjah in the same breath.

        • “But what really boggles me is posters condemning the organization for giving up on young talent too soon, and then doing the same thing themselves to Palusjah in the same breath”

          HIO in a nutshell.

          http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Well, to be fair I’m a poster on the Internet, they are running the Montreal Canadiens.

          • jmsheehy19 says:

            Hahaha, that is true 72. I didn’t mean my comment to be directed at you only by the way. You’re one of the dozen or so posters that kep me coming back to the site. But some of the people here are just nonstop negativity all the time and it often gets to a point that defies reason. Especially some that post essentially the same comment over and over as if that strengthens their argument…. Crap im rambling again.

      • J_P says:

        Very good answer. Thanks for that.

        I wasnt making the statement to be critical, I was just curious.

    • D’agostini is currently benefiting from an unsustainable PDO. He hasn’t been on the ice for an even strength goal against, and the team’s shooting percentage at ES while he’s on the ice is 11.76%. Eventually that’s going to even out. He was traded because he was playing terrible and getting exploited by the other team’s 4th lines every game. He’s having a good run with STL right now but he’s not a player anyone should be worrying about losing. Dime a dozen.

      http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire

    • Mats Naslund says:

      Don’t forget that there is an element of opportunity involved in this.

      Playing 4th line minutes for the Habs vs 1st line for another team is going to necessarily lead to higher point totals. The Pacioretty example is perfect because he was originally being used as a grinder for 8 minutes a night – which is completely the wrong way to use a young guy like that.

  46. krob1000 says:

    The Habs are the best, the gm always makes the right moves, the coaches are the bestest of the bestest. Gomez is awesome and everyone we ever traded away is bad, very, very bad. They all had bad attitudes and we only trade for good attitudes…..is this better for the folks on this site? I am sure I made some punctuation errors or typing mistakes, even made up my own word..twice.

    • Chorske says:

      more straw man nonsense

      Guess it’s too hard to actually discuss an opposing viewpoint. Easier to simply mock it by exaggerating or overstating it.

      • krob1000 says:

        straw man nonsense? what does that even mean? There is no discussing anything with you as you defened Gomez and the management regardless (beleive it or not I try to in most cases too…but that one is not defendable)…Gomez still rocks as far as you are concerned even though outside of a handful of people on here it is widely regarded as the worst trade in recent NHL history and is a laughing stock. I have tried to justify that deal to myself…I am a Habs fan…there is no justifying it….not that I have found yet…..if you have a way of doing it please share because it bothers me every single time we lose. It’s easy to forget when we win or when Jaro was stopping anything and everything.

        • Jordio-oh says:

          “worst trade in recent nhl history”

          Typical emotional, Habs fan hyperbole

          Chris Gratton and a 4th round pick for Danny Briere and a 3rd round pick (Andrej Sekera)

          Patrick Sharp for Matt Elison (who??) and a 3rd round pick

          Luongo and Jokinen for Mark Parrish

          Jagr and Kucera for Kris Beech, Michal Sivek and Ross Lupaschuk

          Yashin to the Islanders deal

          Savard to Atlanta for no one

          Luongo to the Canucks

          Newsflash: Every team makes bad deals. It’s not a syndrome that’s specific to the Habs.

          Sometimes Habs fans are such self-entitled whiners that I myself have to have a laugh at them.

          • krob1000 says:

            Those trades sure aren’t as “recent” as the Gomez deal …most of them anyway. Also take a look at the teams that made those deals? how many are what you would deem “successful”? It was a bad trade..sure many teams made them…at least you are acknowledging it was a bad trade..that was the point.

          • Jordio-oh says:

            @Krob: Bad trade. Little to defend against.

        • Chorske says:

          Would you like me to Google “Straw Man Argument” for you?

          I most certainly do NOT defend management “regardless” (what does THAT even mean). For instance, I have been critical of the GM painting himself into a cap corner when we started with a $4M nest egg. And I have been extremely critical of JM, particularly his bench management and his manlove for Darche.

          But the Gomez trade is not as bad as people keep saying. I have posted reams of explanations with supporting data and fecking pie charts and if you didn’t read them then, I am certainly not going to repost them now, for you to ignore or mindlessly deride a second time. Besides: you won’t be convinced. I know your type.

  47. habsolutely416 says:

    markov to return to practice in 1-2 weeks. back in town this weekend.

    ill be in the slot ;)

  48. sampson12 says:

    So what’s Perry doing? Has he moved to a different role with the team or is he gone?

    • Cardiac says:

      The Habs offered him another job within the organization and he refused.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      - Jerry Maguire

      • HabsPEI31 says:

        Refused or considering? PG said considering in the interview. Haven’t seen reports this has changed, yet.

        “Only a goalie can appreciate what a goalie goes through.” – Jacques Plante

  49. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …growing-up in Montreal, I played shortstop in baseball in summer, …wide receiver, football in Autumn, …and goalie in hockey in winter …playing Hockey and being a Fan of The Habs and My ultimate sports ‘hero’ Jacques Plante, of course, were first in My Canadian/Quebec kid’s heart and genes …but in the hazy, crazy dayz of summer, baseball and football were My antidotes to boredom awaiting My anticipation to get-back on the ice and strap My pads, enjoying the egotist in Me being ‘the last line of defence’
    …in football, My 2 Teams were the Montreal Alouettes …(2 of My friends in elementary school were the sons of Virgil Wagner and Chuck Hunsinger, and other Alouettes’ players on My paper route on Ridgewood Ave. were Hal Patterson, Sam Etcheverry and Herb Trawick)
    …in the NFL, it was Vince Lombardi’s Green Bay Packers, with Bart Starr and Max McGee
    …these boyhood football ‘heroes’ making Me want to be a pass receiver (which I continued to play even while I was a US Marine when I could)
    …in baseball, it was ‘dem bums’ da Brooklyn Dodgers and the ‘Gas House Gang’ St. Louis Cardinals …I guess because Our Monteal Royals were then da Dodgers farm-team and the team that helped Jackie Robinson break the color-barrier in baseball …but, I also loved everything ‘melting-pot’ about Brooklyn’s Americana …the malapropisms, the anti-Yankees, the Duke Sniders, Roy Campenellas, Pee Wee Reeses
    …but it was Gil Hodges (First Base, Dodgers), Ozzie Smith (Shortstop, Cards) & Red Schoendienst (2nd Base, Cards) that made My passion to play the infield

    …it has been many years since I have had an interest in baseball …the closest is following My Son’s progress from T-ball to 2nd year Bantam which He just concluded

    …but, for some reason, I lost My passion for Baseball long-ago

    …that is, until last night, watching the wonderful game between the Cards and Rangers …I thought I saw the Ghosts of Red and Stan ‘The Man’ on the field last night

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Has been a historic last 30-40 days the baseball season with some great story lines. Looking forward to game 7.

      And oh what a story Max McGee, the night before the SuperBowl he is enjoying libations at a bar thinking he won’t be playing in the game only to become the hero. Great memories there Surrey!

    • savethepuck says:

      Haven’t been able to have any interest in major league baseball since the Expos moved to Washington. Tried following the Nationals but they suck to much. Maybe if Strasberg stays healthy and they give him a supporting cast, I’ll jump back into it. Born in 65 and the Expos came into existence in 67, so they are the only team I followed. I, like yourself, was a goaltender, shortstop and pitcher for basically the same reasons as you. I knew I could be the hero, and wasn’t worried about being the reason we lost a game. A broken ankle in October almost ruining my hockey season was my only 1 year experiment at football.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • Bripro says:

      I don’t go quite as far back as you, Surrey.
      Sonny Wade and Peter Delariva.
      Hal Patterson came to our town in 75, the year his jersey was retired, to speak at the local Legion, where my dad was treasurer, and the two of them got tanked together.
      My dad’s best friend was the local chief of police, and he made them sleep it off before letting either one of them drive.
      What great memories.

  50. Un Canadien errant says:

    Finally some facts and information on the reasons behind Mr. Pearn’s reassignment. I’ll link the article written by François Gagnon below, but here are the main points.

    Pierre Gauthier drew up a new ‘organizational tree’, and Mr. Pearn found himself without any responsibilities, having had the special teams and defencemen taken away.

    This move also allowed Randy Ladouceur to take his place behind the bench, to provide support for the defencemen and bring enthusiasm to the mix. This also allows a former NHL defenceman to take over as D coach, the lack of which has been decried in the past.

    Mr. Gagnon also explains that there existed some friction between Perry Pearn and Kirk Muller. Mr. Muller was, according to him, not afraid to kick a few rear-ends if he found some players loafing during the game, and he couldn’t understand why Mr. Pearn didn’t do the same with his defencemen, including PK Subban. As an aside, Mr. Gagnon says that this clash of philosophies may have played an important role in Kirk’s decision to leave Montreal, and he wonders how he must have felt when he heard the news in Milwaukee.

    While there is some conjecture and opinion in his article, it is refreshing that Mr. Gagnon states some facts which a lot of the press coverage has skirted.

    Mr. Boone, Stubbs, Hickey, can you confirm any of this, or add to this knowledge?

    http://blogues.cyberpresse.ca/gagnon/2011/10/27/perry-pearn-plus-qu%E2%80%99un-sacrifice-un-changement-de-philosophie/#more-70318909

    ———————————
    How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • HabinBurlington says:

      They chose not to comment on BGL’s comments, not sure they will or would choose to comment on this now.

      Edit: And thanks for translating the gist of the article, it is appreciated.

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …this is how I interpreted the move too

      Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
      http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Habitant in Surrey, any interest in catching a Giants game to scout Brendan Gallagher? I was hoping to see them play the Blades so we could see Darren Dietz as well, but they’re not playing in Vancouver this year.

        Maybe VancouverHab and other West Coasters would be interested as well? It could be our own mini-Summit, without the thrill of shaking Réjean Houle’s hand.

        ———————————
        How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

        • Habitant in Surrey says:

          …that sounds like an enjoyable thing Normand
          …yet, I can’t promise because I am a single-dad of 2 teen-agers (13 year old daughter & 15 year old son) and Their activities often diverge …My daughter ‘disdains’ sports :( :)
          …let’s see if the Giants’ schedule meshes with My Kids’

          Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
          http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Sounds good. Let’s try to round up some more Westcoasters.

            A game in November would work well for me, before the snow flies and the season heats up here. Weekdays are better, but I can do weekends if need be.

            ———————————
            How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

            http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

        • Drew42 says:

          I’ve got tickets (well sort of I just nee to pick them up) for the giants game on Nov. 6th against Edmonton . Should be a fun time hopefully BG (Brendan not THE BG) will have a good game.

          _______________________________________________
          “I got to get the Swede, eh?” – Saku Koivu

    • krob1000 says:

      Great punctuation….I really admire the writing skills. I must be sure to admire your punctuation in the future “Punk”.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        krob, buddy, pal, the written language is the currency we use here at HIO. A typo here and there won’t kill us, but let’s respect the medium so we can get our point across.

        You pointed rejoinder here, for example, now comes through loud and clear, as opposed to your prior dog’s breakfast of an effort.

        ———————————
        How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

        • krob1000 says:

          Well I come here for the ideas and opinions and could really not care less about having to take an extra fraction of a second to figure out a typo here or there…anyone who does…don’t read my posts because it has been several years and they are not going to get any better…when I can I edit…when I can’t…too bad. I don’t have time if they aren’t fixed and I can’t look up and type (my keyboard at my workstation sits over my left leg…and I really have no need to learn how to improve as I only type in small amounts for work related stuff).

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            krob, fair enough, and I don’t mind having a reasonable discussion about this. My point is that if someone offers up their opinions on this site, they should be presentable and comprehensible. Sure, a typo or a word spelled wrong is no big deal, but some posters show no effort and their posts are garbled nonsense.

            You’re quite right that if I don’t like your post I don’t have to read them, that is the option I chose with your prior one which started this discussion. I will argue that someone who posts here also bears some responsibility to keep their posts presentable. Sure, that means no profanity or abuse, but I submit to you that it also means polishing up your prose so that it’s kind of close to grammatical.

            I’m not asking you to change your life or rearrange your workstation, but I and others would probably appreciate if all posters took a few seconds after they’ve composed their comment to reread it and catch most of the loose ends they missed on their first draft.

            ———————————
            How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

            http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

      • Chorske says:

        You’re nipping at the heels of a consistently good poster, krob

        • krob1000 says:

          Felt the first nip at my own heels thanks…..attacking someone over the internet for their punctuation is pretty low in my mind. Language is currency,etc…whatever…this is the age of short forms, jumbled text messages and Don Cherry on HNIC….language is communication and the message and idea are far more important than punctuation and spell checking. Maybe we should have entrance exams and tier the site by punctuation levels then if I am not welcome to post with the scholars …maybe I can hang out with the less intelligent posters who can’t type? It was all a joke…I think you knew that too….I have been on here since near inception and you were pretending you didn’t know I was joking about Gainey drinking a 26er and gambling to make that deal? whatever….

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            krob, you state that “the message and idea are more important than punctuation and spell checking”, and I kind of agree, but you’re making my point for me.

            I took you task, indirectly (I did not “attack” you) for making so many grammatical errors that when I read your post, I got four or five lines in and didn’t get what you were saying. Instead of reading, I had to interpret what you must have meant, and after two or three attempts at reading the first five lines just gave up and skipped your post. I then read Chorske’s and he summarized what you said. I didn’t have the perseverance to figure out your point.

            So in this example, your failure to review your post and tidy it up made me skip over it. So the punctuation and spell checking that you dismiss overwhelmed your message.

            Not trying to flame you here, just trying to discuss this issue. I’m interested in what everyone here has to say, but I get frustrated when I have to construct people’s ideas for them. Reading should be easy and a joy, not tedious and frustrating.

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    • hansolo says:

      Cher M. Errant:

      LIke your posts, including this one, except that reading “Francois Gagnon” and “facts” in the same sentence is like hearing chalk screeching on a blackboard. Mr. Gagnon is in the same category as Tony Marinaro, Pierre McGuire and, yes, even Eklund. I’ve no doubt there were some personal politics at play in the Canadiens’ coaching ranks because there are in any walk of life. I doubt that was the reason Muller left because Kirk wouldn’t give up that easily. Mr. Gauthier said that the organization was restructuring and that things needed to be become more “efficient” — hence, it looks like Pearn was left without anything to do.

      Why this prompts me to respond is that I hope Muller didn’t leave for that reason. I think he realized he needed HC experience in the AHL if he ever wanted to be an NHL HC. If it (politics) was indeed a factor, I hope he tried to do something about it before he did and that he specifically mentioned that in his exit interview. I hope Kirk Muller comes back to be head coach when Martin’s contract is up. He has a great background as former NHL player, great knowledge of a good defensive system, and dedication to whatever he’s set himself to do. I don’t buy that one needs a background in psychology nowadays to be a great coach. One can communicate well without all that. In 2 years, perhaps there will be a solution for the French language issue.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I think you’re being harsh on Mr. Gagnon, he’s not a loose cannon. I think the English media see him as a reliable source on how francophone Quebec is feeling about the Habs. If you read his stuff, you’ll find he’s informative and incisive, but not inflammatory or outlandish. I also notice, and maybe others can confirm, that his spoken English is getting much better. A few years ago I would grit my teeth when he was brought on to comment on Hockey Night in Canada or TSN. I heard him recently and his accent and vocabulary seemed much improved. Maybe he’s been taking the language lessons that Kirk Muller, Saku Koivu, Brian Gionta, Carey Price, (…), have been skipping.

        As far as Kirk Muller’s departure, he doesn’t say that this friction or tension is the only reason he left, only that they contributed to the decision. Kirk is a smart cookie, I’m sure his career planning was the major reason he left, and he’ll be better off for it.

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  51. Bripro says:

    During the Bruins’ timeout, Ladouceur was actually discussing strategy with the boys. That’s the first time I’ve seen that all year.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Didn’t that remind you of Kirk? Makes me think a combination of Muller/Ladouceur would be a good tandem with one of them Head Coach. Does Randy speak french?

      • Bripro says:

        I don’t think he does.
        And yes, they’d make a great team.
        Kirk as coach with Ladouceur and Carbonneau as assistants.
        That way, Carbo puts his ego aside, and what a combination.
        But first, they have to get rid of Gainey’s influence.
        On TSN 990 this morning, they were commenting on how Pearn’s release was Gainey’s doing.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Well if Gainey is used as a sounding board time to time I have no issue with that. Did he make a bad trade, yah it appears that way. But overall, this man did engineer a stanley cup in Dallas and i still believe he brought this organization out of one its darkest times. I will always have time for Gainey to be an advisor, not the GM, he has had enough stress in his life and need not be a GM or President of this club, Advisor sounds great to me.

  52. Bripro says:

    I watched at one point where Spacek cleared the zone after a few minutes of those pesky flies everywhere.
    Calm, cool, collected.
    He didn’t panic. And he played beastly last night.
    I don’t know if it’s because he played modes minutes, but his experience certainly came in handy last night.
    There’s a lot to be said for that type of experience.

  53. habsrpast says:

    I wish PG had the guts to put Gomez in the minors.

  54. HardHabits says:

    Pacioretty reminds me of John LeClair.

    • Chorske says:

      This is a good thing. Potential future captain material, perhaps?

      • Mattyleg says:

        Except that Pacioretty is actually playing to his potential on the Habs.
        Something that Leclair was never able to do.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • G-Man says:

          I guess those 2 OT winners against LA in ’93 weren’t “playing to his potential.” That trade of Leclair AND Desjardins to Philly for Recchi was one of the worst ever the Habs have done.

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          • Chorske says:

            Was JUST about to post the exact same comment

          • HardHabits says:

            I agree.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Those were sweet, but he drove people in Montreal crazy. You don’t remember??
            Apart from that outburst, he was constantly underperforming and frustrating management and fans. The Habs tried everything with him.

            Am I the only one who remembers this? Was his success in Philly enough to rewrite history and imagine that he was always amazing with us, and we traded a player who was playing great hockey for a bag o’ nuts?

            Come on…

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Timo says:

      So then he’ll be traded to get another Dr. Recchi.

  55. sampson12 says:

    Trade of the decade for the habs: Craig Rivet for Josh Gorges and the pick that brought us Max Pacioretty. Stroke of brilliance. Anyone disagree?

    • krob1000 says:

      Rangers fans and Glen Sather

      • HardHabits says:

        So true. For every good trade the Habs make they make a bad one.

        • Dunno about that — there have been a lot more good ones than bad ones the past few years, especially under Gauthier.

          Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

          • Bripro says:

            Gomez for McDunnough?

          • krob1000 says:

            here is a list of all habs trades…..not sure I agree http://www.habswatch.com/p/trade-history.html
            by my count we went 0 for in 09-10 and lost all trades of consequence.

            i see nothing that indicates a win perhaps bournicval for O’Byrne may end upbut IO see nowclear wins in 10-11 either.
            The Eller deal si alright unless you loof at what other teams got like Washigton for Varlamov, but that one I am plenty ok with…but I wouldn;t call it a clear win.
            Wiz was alright but we lost him but all things considered itw as ok…but nothing like the clear losses on Grabs, Dagostini, Sergei,etc

            This year the Trotter deal is one that could haunt long term….but is fairly irrelelevant as of now

          • The Moore and Wiz trades were both clear wins. O’Byrne is a 5th or 6th defenseman in the NHL at best and we got a prospect who’s of first round calibre in return, essentially left handed Louis Leblanc but better on faceoffs.

            The constant made up idea that we didn’t get enough for Halak needs to end. An unproven young goalie without a contract with no pedigree and we grabbed what St. Louis considered their top prospect and a throw in with Schultz. Eller hasn’t even come close to hitting his potential and he’s already looking far and away like the best player in that deal.

            The return on Varlamov is irrelevant because Colorado’s GM is a complete dunce. He traded an elite power forward and young puck moving D for a slightly bigger puck moving D who’s failed to live up to his potential. Not to mention the return on Varlamov is entirely speculative. If Colorado makes the playoffs it’s unlikely that the Capitals get a player as good as Eller, so then which trade was better?

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          • Natrous says:

            HEAR HEAR

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Problem is our good trades are kinda good while our bad trades are epic.

          Roy, Chelios, Leclair, McDonough for Gomez…

      • sampson12 says:

        I’ll never understand how Sather got Gainey to throw in McDonagh.. We did them a massive favor by taking Gomez’s salary off their books, why on earth did we have to give up one of our top prospects. I always trusted what Bob Gainey did, but this one I will never understand.

        • krob1000 says:

          The timing is questionable …it happened before the deadline….so the gm’s were probably already together the night before…..Gainey could hold a star player in check but anyone know how he handles a 26oz bootle of Vodka? I think Slats would have a leg up on BG based on the old party days with the Oilers. I think Gainey either lost a card game or had a few too many….I was in complete shocked when it happened…I think I ranted for about …well…i am still ranting…..but it was so disappointing and I tried my best to see the good but from the get go …it sucked.

          Chorske since I can’t reply….get a grip bud…I think it is you who failed to read the sarcasm as I don’t see any other posts…but thanks anyway…you always have tried defending that deal for some strange reason…it simply can’t be defended…it sucked (guess you have a partner…enjoy)

          • Chorske says:

            What are you ON about? The GMs were getting drunk the night before, and Sather roofied Gainey, is basically your theory?

            Gainey played cards? Gainey got drunk? Gainey got drunk and made a decision under the influence, or as a result of a bet?

            THIS is the grudge you’re still nursing? PLEASE tell me this is a failed attempt at sarcasm.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Chorske, thanks for summarizing krob’s post, I gave up by the 5th line or so trying to make sense of what he is trying to say. I guess he is dashing off a quick post on a handheld, so grammar and punctuation isn’t his first priority, but when it renders his post incomprehensible maybe he should spend an extra minute and proofread.

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    • habsrpast says:

      Higgins and Mcdonough for Gomez and 8 mil/year.

    • HabsFan1111 says:

      I think the O’b for Bournival trade will make PG look pretty good in a few years too … I guess we get one really lopsided trade in our favour per decade

  56. Vladdy Mondavi says:

    I contribute the last two wins (Philly, Boston) to the Habs playing within their means.
    If they get goaded into Boston’s buffoonery, then they will lose to Boston every game.
    They need to stick to hockey, including it’s physical aspects, without backing down, but don’t get caught up in the side show.

    Lastly, it will be nice to see them play for 3 whole periods (4 if needed).
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    • HardHabits says:

      I attribute the two wins to an aggressive two man fore-check, less confusion in the defensive zone, Randy Ladouceur behind the bench, and Price shedding the colour pink from his uniform.

      • Vladdy Mondavi says:

        Maybe we can coax Timmy Thomas to wear some pink in the playoffs.

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      • Chorske says:

        So you’re proposing that grit had nothing to do with the win? This is a first.

        • HardHabits says:

          Thanks for reminding me.

          Let me add that the Habs have a 4th line of significance now, and a gritty one at that. Much better than having Palushaj and Weber on the 4th line that’s for sure, which IMO is the anti-thesis of gritty.

      • kempie says:

        Exactly. When I saw that forecheck last night I thought JM must have gone for a bathroom break or something. Then, I started to worry about him having a stroke or something if he has to watch this all night. Also I can’t help but notice how conspicuous the two Randys have become now after silently staring at their shoes for the first 8 games.

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      They took a number of penalties last night… so… I disagree with your buffoonery comment (i.e. Pleks punches a guy in the face and gets a stupid roughing call)

      last night they won by blocking shots and getting great goaltending.

      Now, if they were to play a more disciplined game on Saturday, they might be able to nail Boston in their zone the entire game (minus boston throwing one of our small guys off the puck and then tossing it out to the red line).

    • Desi says:

      More forechecking helped over the last two nights. But so did the fact that neither team we played against were playing very well. Still, we showed more effort and desire and got the results we wanted. We still need to play better if we’re going to be able to stand in with the league’s better teams — and particularly in terms of puck possession, cycling, generating scoring chances. In any event, it’s great to see them building some confidence.

  57. Un Canadien errant says:

    Is Daddy Campbell now in charge of scheduling for the NHL? How did the Canadiens have to play a game in Montreal on Wednesday night, then travel to Boston and play the Bruins, who had last played four days before, on Thursday night? And then both teams travel back to Montreal for a Saturday night game? Wouldn’t it have made more sense to have to Bruins travel to Montreal on Thursday?

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  58. sampson12 says:

    “Max Pacioretty had two goals and an assist in the Canadiens’ 5-1 win over the Flyers Wednesday night. Pacioretty has scored 18 goals over his last 45 games dating back to Dec. 16, 2010, after scoring only six goals in his first 87 career NHL games. Only one player has scored more goals for Montreal since that date than Pacioretty: Brian Gionta (20)” – Elias

    We’ve got a perennial 30+ goal scorer here who is young and big, it feels good.

  59. So if Calgary is looking for a centre, how about Gomez for a 3rd or 4th with Letourneau-Leblond as a throw-in? I’m not a big fan of goons, but he’s dirt cheap and I can’t say I’d hate having a guy like that for the 20 or so games where we need a tough guy. He can eat hot dogs or break heads in the AHL for the other 62. And as for Gomez, Iginla and Tanguay can make anyone look good — I’m sure Gomez will be good for 60 points between those two.

    Gomez has to be shipped out though — not so much because of his cap hit, but because he just doesn’t make the team better. I know th season is young, but he hasn’t improved since last year. He’s got 1 assist in 6 games, averages just over 2 shots per game, and is a -1. And bringing him back into the lineup when he heals would deprive Eller or Desharnais of ice time, both of whom have been good and need the experience playing their natural position.

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • hansolo says:

      So who do we have that’s going to take tough minutes as a center besides Pleks? Although Eller and DD have both shown promise, I don’t want to go into the playoff with either of them as my #2 center based on how they’re playing right now. I just don’t think we have enough of a sample size to know if they can step up. Nokia is a 4th liner F/O guy and has done well in 2 games as that.

      I’d prefer to wait until the trade deadline. Gomez, MP67 and Gio had a good thing going last year until the Chara incident. I think we ought to give that combo, or another one, a chance. We’d know how much DD and Eller will have improved, and Gomez might be worth more, by then.

      • HardHabits says:

        I don’t want to go into the play-offs with Plex as my number one. At any rate, IMO Habs should carry 5-6 centres, capable of playing either centre or wing.

      • The way they’ve played though, Gomez isn’t an upgrade on Desharnais. I agree that it isn’t ideal, and it would be great if Gomez could be part of a trade for that elusive 2nd-line centre, but for my money, DD in particular showed last season and so far this season that he’s just a better option in that spot than Gomez.

        Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

      • bleedhabs81 says:

        I am torn. I think Gomez does bring some good things when he plays. He is probably the best we have at carrying the puck into the O-zone. Too bad that he doesn’t know what to do with it once he is there.

        What if he had two big speedy guys to help him out? He can gain the line, put on the brakes, head fake left, head fake right (buy some time) , then toss it in the corner and have Cole or A tits go get it…. I was going to say Max Pac, but I like him with DD.

        The only problem with this is you have Pleks, Cammy, and Gio on one line…. could be great, or they could get knocked off the puck before generating anything…

  60. Windwalker says:

    Great effort last night it was good to see Pleks finally score along with Cole. I must comment though on Kostitsyn from our blue line to the other teams end he is a force. Inside our blue line it seems he’s lost. His line seems to be playing 5 on 4 in the Habs end.
    If he ever turned things around and play hard for 60 minutes and played both ends of the ice he could be a superstar.
    CAREY YOU ARE MY HERO

  61. HabFanSince72 says:

    My Coyote joke.

    The other day a vulture tried to board a plane with a dead coyote. The flight attendant said sorry sir but you cannot bring that on board. The vulture said “but it’s carrion”.

  62. DEANDALLEY says:

    Spatch being funny to the media there .. LOL …
    “Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing”

  63. JD_ says:

    Immensely satisfyin’, hard-fought victory. Took it to the Br00nz, guys backed each other up, and Price was huge, man. Tommy had no chance on the Cole marker, but was subsequently beaten by a routine shot, his timin’ probably thrown off by Tomas Jagr’s initial, blocked attempt. Happens to the best of them.

    Readin’ the manner in which Poindexter Bentley and Marsha are talkin’ about last night’s GoofballFest™, I am reminded of Ralph E. Wolf and Sam Sheepdog greetin’ each other as they punch the clock.

    “Mornin’ Sam.”
    “Mornin’ Ralph.”

    Kinda makes the whole saga a hair more laughable than it already was.

    Not sure how many noticed last night, but on at least two occasions, Price openly celebrated a big save. Not really certain if it was all for him or just an attempt to goad the crowd. Either way, nothin’ major, just a display of the kind of measured arrogance one wants to see in a goalie.

    Less Red Light, more Roy.

    Once passed Red Light on the sidewalk while strollin’ in the Townships; he was with Eric Desjardins and some other Hab. Suddenly, a tumbleweed came rollin’ down the street, headed straight for Red Light, and [insert witty repartee regardin' Andre's dubious goaltendin' skills].

    Poor Bryzzy, albeit not in the literal sense. The real question is how badly Bobby “Call Me Bob” Clobber wants to wade into the fray cause, you know, Bobby just adores goaltenders, in particular ones who even on an inflation-adjusted basis make more in a month than he did in a season.

    Must. Run. Out. Of. Town.

    Not sure how the Br00nz are gonna adjust their game for tomorrow night given, it would seem, their biggest weakness was Chara’s piss-poor play in his own end. It used to be Gio would get under his skin, now it’s Dezzy. Like the sinewy elephant he is, the mice really seem to eff up Zdeno’s game from time to time.

  64. sreuel says:

    What is our chances of getting Turras from coyotes

  65. samTHEman says:

    Surely having Palushaj travelling back and forth from the Dogs-Habs, playing 4min a game on the 4th line or not playing at all (right now) can’t be good for his development. Imo let him play out the course of the season in Hamilton to boost his confidence. If there’s an injury in the top 6 (what am i saying, if? course there’ll be) then he can be called up to fill in an offensive role. Don’t waste his time. Haven’t they learned anything from the Pacioretty incidents? Or worse comes to worst Martin can plug Moen or Darche like he loves to do. haha i’m going to get killed for saying that.

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  66. roady says:

    say what you want about Spatcho…he was one of our best D men along with Diaz (save of the game) against the Bruins…and he’s such a great interview, gotta love Jaro Spacek…solid last night.

    take your drink to the end of the bar,buddy…come on now, don’t be a fool…

  67. Timo says:

    TSN has a headline that say Flames are looking for offense. Gomez?

  68. Timo says:

    Just watched Canadiens Express. Maybe on it’s just me, but I don’t share Boone’s “What a game!” excitement.

    First, Thornton targets Subban (nothing wrong with that, he is a goon and that’s what he does) but nobody on the Habs goes after him for that. Better yet, nobody is going after Bergeron or Seguin. Thanks PG for the bunch of veggie boys. Pathetic.

    Second, in seven game series Habs will fold under constant physical abuse they get, so again, PG, wake the F up, you veggie eating moron POS.

    Glad they won but man, Habs need to get nastier and meaner. It’s a MUST. Again, the moron of a GM we have doesn’t think so. I am sure he knows better.

  69. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Another point to ponder (since we’re winning and there’s nothing to bitch and moan about, we have to really dig for stuff).

    When Campoli comes back, does that make Weber a trade option? I know that with our luck on D, trading any dman is not the best option. But just for fun, here’s what I’m pondering (I’m not sure I’m for this idea, just thinking it over).

    Weber is young, great on the PP (reasons why we shouldn’t trade him, but also reasons why other teams would be interested). But he is smallish and that is an issue on our D. An issue that wouldn’t be as concerning to a team already possessing bigger more physical D, but who need a boost on their PP. I don’t think Weber is an unidimnesional as say, MAB, he can play D. Check out his +/- for evidence of that. But let’s face, he’s not a defensive stalwart. But as a 5th/6th dman who isn’t a disaster in his own end, can amp up your powerplay and is only 24, he’s a fairly attractive piece.

    Thus, if/when we get a healthy D, would he be worth shopping?

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      Or trade Campoli (assuming Markov comes back and is fine)

      • Ghosts of the Forum says:

        Sure, but no one wanted to sign Campoli, so doubt we’d get anything for him. Weber, I’m arguing, has some value and a skillset teams would be interested in.

        If we’re going to make a trade want to get some value, right? Weber could bring in a piece. Albeit, not a major impact player.

        As I said, not something I’m sold on doing, just a question I’m pondering

    • My $0.02:

      I’d rather send Diaz down to Hamilton and keep all our spare parts — with Campoli back on the PP, Diaz isn’t needed there, and would benefit from some seasoning in the AHL. Plus he’s a solid call-up if/when injury strikes again. A PP QB D-man with a big shot who isn’t a complete defensive liability is a hot commodity (witness the Wiz’s salary in Columbus), especially at Weber’s young age, and I’d hang onto him. If Markov comes back and is still the impact player we love, Campoli becomes expendable at the deadline, and someone will surely be happy ot give us a 2nd-rounder for him.

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  70. Propwash says:

    A meeting eh? The last time that happened, someone was fired, and someone else was acquired.

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  71. stevieboy says:

    And Emelin? Nothing? IMHO, Gill should sit now and then. So can Gomez.
    Stevie

  72. montrealtilldeath says:

    If Markov comes back who sits? In my opinion Diaz or Weber.

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      Tough call — Diaz has been steadily getting better. But Weber is a force on the PP. That said, with Markov back, we have strong PP anyway, which would render Weber a bit more expendable.

      But I think, much as I like him, it has to be Diaz.

    • samTHEman says:

      Well Martin has shown he prefers using Diaz over Weber so my guess is Weber sits but they’ll miss his shot on the PP. This guy has scored key goals at crucial times…He needs to play with more attitude, he has to want the puck and not be afraid to shoot, similar to Subban showed in the 2nd half of last season. He’s weak in his own zone particularly winning puck battles behind the and on the boards so he has to make up for it somehow.

      IMO Diaz has better vision and passing and Martin might opt for that. With Campoli and Markov off IR that’s 9 D. Curious to see what Gauthier and Martin will do

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    • dhenry1234 says:

      I’d sit Diaz since weber’s +/- is impressive

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      You can’t sit Weber… not right now. A Markov – Weber or Markov – Subban with Weber on the second PP is kind of making me drool a little bit.

  73. desjardins wasnt thrown in, he was who the flyers were trying to acquire with that trade, leclair was the one who was thrown in

  74. of course, but only in hindsight, nobody expected leclair to become the player he did, this includes flyers management

  75. Chris says:

    Agreed…the Flyers really wanted Desjardins and Leclair and Dionne were the players needed to land Recchi, who was coming off a pair of excellent seasons. I still wish they hadn’t dealt Desjardins, even though I am confident that Leclair would not have been a 50 goal scorer without Lindros.

    I was actually in the Quinte Mall in Belleville, Ontario that day. I had a Montreal Canadiens jersey in hand and was about to get it embroidered with Desjardins’ name and number when the deal came up on the TV they had on the store. You can probably guess I wasn’t too happy… :)

  76. shiram says:

    Both seem to be on entry level deals, 2-way contracts.
    There were rumours Emelin had a clause where he could bolt back to the KHL, and I’ve heard no such thing considering Diaz.

    Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

  77. Chris says:

    Gill. :P

    EDIT: Where by Gill, I mean both Diaz and Emelin are kept, and Gill is demoted to 7th D.

  78. HabinBurlington says:

    Hopefully both keep developing and we can start a Spacek Gill rest rotation. Both Spacek and Gill have abilities, both needed to be rested and healthy when Playoffs begin to show those talents.

  79. oshawahabsfan says:

    I wouldn’t like to test the return to Russia clause with Emelin, I’d like to see him in the lineup more often. Nothing against Diaz, I like him quite a bit, but I’d rather have them playing in Hamiltion than sitting in the press box. If one has to go to Hamiltion, I’d rather have it be Diaz

  80. Bripro says:

    And fewer minutes. I hear ya!

  81. Hobie Hansen says:

    You can guarantee they’d all breath a massive sigh of relief if a 6’4″ 230Lbs player who could take an honest shift on the 4th line, who could actually fight the heavyweights of the league, walked through the dressing room door.

    I’m sure Blunden is a nice guy be he wants zero part of any player who is known as a fighter.

  82. oshawahabsfan says:

    Thornton, are you serious. The only reason that guy has a job is because there’s 30 NHL teams

  83. Hobie Hansen says:

    I don’t think Conboy even got a game with the big club this preseason? So I think the book may have been closed on him as well.

    He played in a few last year and got his but kicked in a couple scraps…

  84. Hobie Hansen says:

    yeah, and he’s not good at any other part of the game either…unfortunately.

  85. Hobie Hansen says:

    I guess he wasn’t watching when Thornton helped turn the tide in the Stanley Cup finals?

  86. oshawahabsfan says:

    Just as stupid as people giving enforcers credit for doing anything useful on the ice.

  87. Hobie Hansen says:

    ZZzzzzzzzzz

  88. Everyone is entitled to there opinion. Let me guess, you’re a high school drop out taking his anger out on this site? Age…hmm….23?

    Back on topic. Thornton is a classless fool. He belongs with the Bruins….maybe the Leafs.

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  89. Hobie Hansen says:

    I’m sure you’d be quite happy if Thornton was a Hab and he pummeled Lucic after he ran Spacek.

    And lets grow up a bit there yourself Mr. Oliver. You’re the one who’s acting like a 12-year-old here sir.

  90. Bill says:

    Rude. Insulting. Unnecessary.

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  91. Bill says:

    The shortcomings of guys like Gill or Spacek really get magnified in Montreal, to an unreasonable degree. Hamrlik is playing a lot and playing solidly – just as he did in Montreal – in Washington, and he must be wondering where all the critics went! Same guy, same game, but in Washington he’s a good player and in Montreal, he sucks.

    Them’s the breaks. Spacek is not as good as Hamrlik, clearly, but he is usually solid. He was great last night. He just gets hate in Montreal for not being Serge Savard or something.

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  92. Bill says:

    That actually sounds so reasonable and correct that I doubt you will get too many responses.

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  93. Bill J says:

    I, like the other Bill agree. Very reasonable amount of games.


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  94. Chris says:

    Another way of looking at it…Price’s best two games of the season were the first two (coming off the break between pre-season and regular season) and the last two (coming off Budaj’s start).

    Small sample size, but maybe Price shouldn’t be playing 65-70 games, when 55-65 might be more efficient in terms of wins! I’ve always hated this notion that a starter should play 65+ games.

    Last season, the four semi-finalists were Vancouver (Luongo, 60 starts), Boston (Thomas, 55 starts), Tampa Bay (Roloson, 54 starts) and San Jose (Niemi, 60 starts).

    The season before that, the four semi-finalists were Chicago (Niemi, 35 starts), Philadelphia (Leighton/Boucher, < 40 starts each), Montreal (Halak, 43 starts) and San Jose (Nabokov, 71 starts) .

    The year before that, the four semi-finalists were Pittsburgh (Fleury, 61 starts), Detroit (Osgood, 44 starts), Carolina (Ward, 68 starts) and Chicago (Khabibulin, 40 starts).

    That's 3 out of the 12 semi-finals teams that rode a work-horse goalie to the NHL semi-finals. That is a pretty strong indication that it doesn't necessarily pay off to play your starter so heavily.

    The last team to win a Stanley Cup with a goalie who started 65 games or more was New Jersey in 2002-03, when Brodeur started 73 times. The seasons are long and it's a grind…giving Price some rest can't hurt.

  95. Danno says:

    Is reasonableness allowed on HIO?

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  96. habstrinifan says:

    Well here’s mine… I agree with him that Budaj should get a start at least once every two weeks, on average.

  97. Danno says:

    The NHLPA would not like it if 4-on-4 hockey became the norm (job loss). But adopting the larger rink size would open up the game and emphasize skill and speed.

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  98. Bill J says:

    lol, nice polarizing comparison.

    However, Gomez and Weber for Bourque… ;).

    Iginla gets his center, I can see CGY agreeing that would be a good fit for Iggy. But as compensation for Gomez’s cap hit, Weber would sweeten the deal for CGY.


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  99. Bill J says:

    I’m not familiar with Bourque’s contract length or Cap hit. But I somehow can’t see it being as bad as Gomez’s…

    Can it ?

    Re AK46, in hindsight… I agree with you. Gomez though…


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  100. Bill says:

    EFF OFF!!!!!

    Lol.

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  101. Bill says:

    I haven’t noticed his skating, so I assume it’s okay! I wish he had won one of those crucial draws late in the third though … I do like his willingness to hit.

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  102. Bill says:

    Hmmm

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  103. Bill says:

    Numbers don’t lie.

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  104. Bill says:

    Absolutely agree. Last year he got little power-play time as well. A really good player.

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