Multimedia from practice


“Five days off,” Josh Gorges said after practice, “and you’re itching.”
They get to scratch Friday night.
The Canadiens finally play a hockey game in Ottawa.

Jacques Martin struck a cautionary note on the Senators:

“They’ve shown they can score,” Martin said of Ottawa’s good start. “They are young and enthusiastic.”

The Canadiens would do well to avoid penalties, the coach said, because the PP is an Ottawa strength this season. The Senators also benefit from a John MacLean system that has one offensive defenceman – Erik Karlsson, David Rundblad, Sergei Gonchar – in each pairing.

AUDIO of Jacques Martin


  1. immortalhab says:

    Montreal played incredibly against Boston. They can beat anyone if they play like that — but they have to rise to it every game. They are professionals making good coin — it’s their job. Even if other teams have Kessels and Phaneufs, as a team they can minimize those players impacts. Watch though — JM is gonna fcuk up badly as soon as something works he’ll change it.

  2. Propwash says:

    So, the Leafs are in first. Let’s see how it pans out come crunch time.


    • Frank2468 says:

      Well I just about threw up in my mouth tonight with the leaf win. Living in Ontario the sports stations started tonight, with guess who’s in first? OMG kill me now.

      Well if this continues then the Mayans calendar of the world coming to an end on December 21, 2012 must be true? After all when the Mayans looked in to the future and saw the leafs on top of the league it must have just scared the new now what out of them? Or maybe they saw the AMC series The Walking Dead with all the zombies wearing Leaf sweaters.

  3. habs001 says:

    this habs team has games where they look terrible and also has games where they look great..but the majority of their games come down to one or 2 plays that make the difference in winning or losing..this is why it is a very unpredictable team as they can go on hot streaks where they score the tie breaking key goal but when most of your games are closet you can just as easily go on a losing streak…this has been the habs team for the last 2 years and so far this year…i

  4. immortalhab says:

    I agree that the Leafs deserve some credit, even if watching them win is like watching your lifelong rival take your wife in front of you. Cripes, I always took pride in the fact that the Bruins never won in my lifetime. If the leafs are about to win, I may have to end my life before it happens.

    • Frank2468 says:

      Well immortal you must live in Ontario like me, so I feel your pain. Just imagine Brian Burke riding in on his horse to a wedding and saying that since he is the lord of the land and in accordance to the Kings decree he is entitled to Prima notte just like in the movie Brave Heart. Cause thats the only way the Leafs will win anything. Just like King Longshanks said “If we can’t drive them out we will Breed them out”. The end is near folks LOL

  5. habs001 says:

    Camm has to produce also..we cannot have a 6m player who scores 20 goals in the reg season since we have a 8m player who will not even score 10 goals…

  6. immortalhab says:

    All this talk of Gomez on the fourth line … we’d get more bang for our buck if he drove the bus to practice and washed the towels.

  7. habs001 says:

    habs 27th overall..the bad news is that with the slow start they cannot afford too many bad streaks rest of the way…while exhibition season may not mean much as most posters stated when the habs played so poorly but it looks pretty clear that this team was totally mismanaged to start the season…

  8. Neutral says:

    Leafs are in first place because they played 3 more games than washington.

    • 24 Cups says:

      No, Toronto is in first place because they are in first place. They are off to a great start, plain and simple.

      By the way, we’re nine points back.

      Give credit where credit is due.–scrivens-sharp-in-nhl-debut-as-leafs-thump-blue-jackets-4-1

      • avatar_58 says:

        I don’t understand why there are so many people here unable to give them their credit. I hate the leafs but seriously – why is it so hard to accept that maybe Burke built a team that’s winning this year?

        You can cite luck, bad competition (like that shitty habs team they managed to beat twice right?) or whatever else but the fact is they are winning.

        I mean the habs only beat 2 teams so far. One of which is near dead last. So…yeah

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          That team is punching above it’s weight and will regress. Or do we expect the Oilers to stand as Top 3 in the West this year as well?

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • habs001 says:

            i hate the leafs but i really dont see much of a difference in their forward talent level than ours…some of the leafs forwards have injury issues but they have more forwards than we do that have shown to be able to produce in the nhl..with markov out our d is not that much better than the their question mark is goaltending…roster talent is minimal difference i

          • avatar_58 says:

            And what, the habs will go on a tear and make the playoffs?

            Honestly I’m just stating facts here. I don’t know if the leafs will suck donkey nuts next month but the fact is they are winning *right now*. Which is usually the only thing habs fans use to judge their own team, so what’s the difference? “What have you done for me lately” is our motto. Ask Halak.

        • kempie says:

          – Big heavy freaking sigh –

          Av’s right. But I don’t have to like it.

  9. otter649 says:

    Toronto first overall – Good time for coach Ron Wilson to ask/get a contract extension……

  10. HardHabits says:

    Toronto is in 1st over-all. Boston is in 2nd to last. Worse case scenario; the Leafs win the Cup and the Bruins win the Draft Lottery. FMHFL.

  11. Neutral says:

    I still say 4th line for Gomez – I wouldn’t waste DD or Eller – can’t put Eller or DD on the wing – they’re natural centers and doing a pretty good job – to disturb our top 3 lines to accommodate Gomez gonna screw this team up again….

  12. SlovakHab says:

    Haha! Jeff Woywitka scores for the Rangers! What’s next? 😀

  13. krob1000 says:

    Torts must really not want Avery back..pulling out all the stops….check out the ice time distribution
    His top line is playing more than any of his dman…..that is strange stuff

  14. piter says:

    how can that leaf goalie see outta his mask? It hangs below his eyes. Reminds me of someone looking out of bifocals.

  15. Hoegarden says:

    Laffs leading 4 – 1 in Ohio. The Wiz is minus 4…. Just saying.

    PG, ring Columbus, include the kitchen sink and go for the Nash.

  16. Mick says:

    The leafs score the first 2 goals on 4 shots and are leading 4 to 1 after 14 shots ,amazing!
    What is wrong with us ? I still believe we have more talent.
    What is up?

    It has to be the our “System”.

  17. SlovakHab says:

    Wow, I’d also love to support a team that shoots at 30% while getting outhit and outshot every single freakin game.. Trade Cammy for MacArthur and Gionta for Crabb, PG!! 😀

  18. Ian Cobb says:

    I do not feel as bad about Toronto being on top of the heap as I would seeing Boston up there. As a matter of fact, Toronto is a young quick team with talent, Ottawa is pretty quick as well this year. I hope they both beat Boston every time they meet.

    But once our team gets rolling, we will win our division. We have more depth, speed and talent.

  19. habs001 says:

    Leafs have 7 forwards that have scored at least 20 goals in the nhl plus connely who has had a 65 point year and bozak who scored 15 …scoring wise they could be a strong as any team in the nhl…their downfall could be d and goaltending but otherwise their roster is pretty well as good as ours…

  20. HabinBurlington says:

    If Columbus keeps up this pathetic pace, there may be a huge firesale of players there. That team was counting on a playoff run to help pay for all these new contracts. Heard recently the owner was sitting with Hitchcock watching practise.

  21. AH says:

    Playoffs? so my friend was telling me he saw some stats that said if you were in 8th place or better at Halloween you had a seventy something % chance of making making the playoffs, and if you were in 8th place or better at US thanksgiving you had a ninety something % chance…not sure how true, that is, but if so, can the Habs do it? Thoughts?

  22. The_Franchise31 says:

    I have yet to see them dominate a game and they will be 9-3-1…. It’s so weird watching them. They get so lucky

  23. Stuck_in_To. says:

    Toronto might manage to get on top the standings tonight but it won’t mean a thing. Mason has been an absolute sieve tonight which, according to all I have read, is his M.O. since his one season of dominance. Sad to see a Canadian boy with such potential unable to realise it.

  24. Sharks9 says:

    The Toronto Maple Leafs will be top of the Eastern Conference after tonight.

    Is this horrifying reality made bearable by the fact the Bruins are in last place?

    25 before 14

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Yah, the Leafs are playing very well. Some people are saying they have a soft schedule, well we did as well to start the year. THey are winning the games you are supposed to win, hang on are they ever supposed to win games?

      Will be an interesting season, my buddies sports bar is already getting out of control Saturday nights. Home Depot is already running out of their float materials.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Don’t care what the Leafs do, I just don’t want to hear about it eight different ways from HNIC and TSN. So I just change the channel when I’m exposed to it and want to avoid contamination.

      The Bruins and Flyers I hate, those are the guys I save my choler for. And the putative Nordiques, whenever they come into existence.

      The Leafs-Canadiens rivalry is a media creation to help Toronto feel relevant for the last 20-30 years. The last time the Leafs played us in the playoffs was in the mid-seventies, and two years straight we swept them in four games. Not much of a rivalry at all.

      Don’t believe the hype.

      How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

  25. Mavid says:

    not much of a beer drinker myself..actually none at all however my hubby is an expert…his favorite is a polish beer called ZYWIEC pronounced “Ziviets” here in Ontario we get it at the Liquor store..nice big bottles..and I think something happens to the label when its cold and ready to enjoy..

    I hate Ottawa I cannot wait for tomorow to come the last time I went to the Bank we spanked them 7-2 hope that happens again GO HABS GO…5 days of no habs is almost criminal…I may check out the leaf’s game just to get a bit of a fix…

    second place is just the first loser

  26. Captain aHab says:

    Kovalchuk=Boat Anchor


  27. JohnBellyful says:

    I can’t believe I’m posting when the Toronto-Columbus game’s on TV. I need to get a life.

  28. I got a fever, and the only thing that will cure that fever is more cow bell.

    Shane Oliver
    Brandon, MB,Canada
    R7B 2R7
    Ph- 204 724 8418

  29. HabinBurlington says:

    Pretty quiet here tonight, perhaps a safe night to explain that Scott Gomez is going to help this club this season.

    • JohnBellyful says:

      Woohoo! So you and Gomer are bonding! That didn’t take long. Did he show up yesterday? Does he help with the dishes? Did you play net in the driveway and let him score a few goals?
      We’re still a go for Saturday night? I’ll bring the chips. Surely Gome can supply the booze. (I might need a ride home.)

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Turns out they are paving my street this week, so i have him hitting the asphalt. He is doing pretty good job, did catch him leaning on the shovel the other day with about 8 other guys.

        But things are working out, ya see you Saturday. Turns out scotty likes Jagrmeister as much as me, but can’t hold his liquor too good, yet.

    • EricMelvin says:

      Oh, is he selling raffle tickets?

  30. Danno says:

    Did the mods obliterate the thread with the comments about Reimer and Gionta? If so why?


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

    • Chrisadiens says:

      I think HIO should do video explanations of bans and deletions. Just like Shanahan. I can see Boone now, in his dark room with a laser pointer, underlining offensive and derogatory words.

      “See, the use of the word %^&$%^, is unacceptable and will result in the deletion of this thread.”

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

      • Danno says:

        That would be entertaining. Maybe he could use his puppets to explain.

        I guess somebody added a remark that crossed the line but I missed it.


        “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

      • kempie says:

        I LOL’d. Thanks. Funny.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Very funny idea Chris!

      • JohnBellyful says:

        I’ve had the same experience with a mod (on another hockey site I should add):

        Me: I want to know why you deleted my post on hockey suspenders. Was it because I called George Papandreou a %^&$%^?
        Mod: Yes.
        Me: What about $&*@$#!? Can I use that?
        Mod: Nope
        Me: ^*@&$#?
        Mod: Nope
        Me: As an adjective?
        Mod: Okay, but only if you drop the @.
        Me: So I can say Brad Marchand is a ^*&$# idiot as long as I leave an @ hole?
        Mod: Yep.
        Me: Brad Marchand is a ^*&$# idiot. Bye

    • Bripro says:

      This is how it works.
      Habs…post accepted.
      Most other teams…mild review, accepted.

  31. Higman says:

    How boring has the last few days been on this site? The only thing I can say is that I am glad they aren’t posting pictures of BBs to antagonize us.

    Looking forward to tomorrow’s game (and am so bored right now) I am going to post my prediction for it’s outcome (I love doing this):

    So, we get goals from Max Pac, Eller, a garbagey one from Nokaleinan (however you spell his name), and one from Gionta.

    I also say we take 2 too many man on the ice penalties, cause we’ve had a few days off.

    Ottawa bags only one (from whoever – I really don’t care), because Price stands on his head again.

    When the tough gets going, the laughs start flowing. Like Price said, “Chill.”

    • Chrisadiens says:

      Could you imagine if they posted a bunch of pics of Brian Burke on this site….?! 🙂

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Higman, that you refuse to learn how to spell Petteri Nokelainen’s name and casually laugh it off is not cute or funny. You have the time to take five seconds to type it into Google and check, you’re stating that you’re bored in this very post.

      This is the same kind of attitude that Don Cherry displays when he refuses to pronounce Roberto Luongo’s name properly, saying “Lalongo” instead, and intentionally butchers Maxime Lapierre’s name. It’s the kind of moderate intolerance that suffuses his opinion pieces.

      All posters, instead of throwing letters up on the screen and then modestly adding a “(sp?)”, take the frigging two extra seconds it takes to check on Google.

      How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

  32. SmartDog says:

    You don’t have to be one of the few who off the bat said the Gomez deal was a brain-dead decision (like I did) to know that Gomez coming back is a BAD thing. I don’t care if he’s on the wing, he’s gonna be as useless on the wing as center – bad passes, making his line-mates wait, lazy back-checking. Why people are fooled by this guy I just don’t get. He’s just not in sync with others – he makes them wait, his timing is self-centered BS.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • savethepuck says:

      You spoiled it. 2 1/2 hours without a post bashing Gomez was an H I/O record.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • The Cat says:

      I think JM should try putting the 2 fastest skaters on a line with Gomez, I dont know if hes tried it yet. I dont think he has, cause he seems to like the ‘1-playmaker 2-scorer/sniper 3-Guy in front of the net/forechecker/hitter’ trio combo.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  33. Bripro says:

    Hey! It’s after 5pm (here and somewhere in the world).
    All that beer talk…time for a tall one.
    Too bad there’s no game to keep it company.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Hey Bri, so I got home from work and played your nephews band for my wife. She is huge metal fan and has turned me into a fan.
      We both thought the band sounds good until we heard the singer. Your nephew plays a good guitar!

      • secretdragonfly says:

        Too funny – I’m also a huge metal fan who is (still) trying to turn hubby to the dark side. Agreed, Bripro, your nephew has some real talent but they need a new lead singer.

      • Bripro says:

        Hey HB.
        Who is “she”? Your wife, girlfriend, daughter?
        He is good. He’s very good. Fastest hands I’ve ever seen.
        At Christmas, he picked up his guitar while my son and I were jamming (me on the piano – I’m terrible , lost all learned 30+ years ago – and my son, very good drummer) and he just made it up as we went along. The kid’s really unbelievable.
        I keep telling his signer to shut up when they’re practicing. It really ticks him off. LOL

      • Bripro says:

        Hey HB, I read your post properly this time. Sorry. I see it was for your wife. So like secretdragonfly says, she’s on the dark side.

      • kempie says:

        “We both thought the band sounds good until we heard the singer.”

        Your nephew plays for Guns & Roses? Wow, cool. Seriously, I spent decades in the music biz and if I had a dollar for every time I heard “until we heard the singer”. How many bands can I list that are really good, but I just can’t make it past the singer. ESPECIALLY with metal.

        No offense intended toward singer dude, I’ve never heard him.

        • Bripro says:

          Guns & Roses? Huh?
          His name is Marc Favreau.
          And the band members are all listed.
          Sorry dude. No ammo or flowers today.

          • kempie says:

            Hey man, I have to admit that I only just now listened to Die with Honor and I like it quite a bit. I have no probs with those vocals, I think they’re just fine. Like HH said, appropriate. The whole thing is very tight. As a bassist myself, I’m fairly impressed with Thierry’s sounding & articulation.

            And just to be clear, GNR were and excellent band with great hooks, otherwise rendered completely inaccessible for me because of A. Rose. But that’s just me. Millions disagree.

    • Bripro says:

      The best team in baseball. Bar none.
      That was the last year I enjoyed baseball. Pass the Kleenex.

    • savethepuck says:

      thanks for reminding me of a time I followed the Expos as religiously as I followed the Habs. I don’t even watch the World Series anymore.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

      • HabsFanNorway says:

        Same here. Watching the guys in that video is just great at a bit sad when you think about how close to a world series title the city was at that time!

        • NoTinFoilCups says:

          That season was the beginning of the end for the Expos. Watching “Nos Amours” sp? brings me to tears. Couldn’t name a handful of present day ballplayers nowadays. Not as bitter as I used to be. Just can’t follow baseball any more.

      • The Cat says:

        Same here, I went to a bunch of games back when I lived in Montreal, it was always a great time. I never understood how people could not get into it.

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • HabsFansince49 says:

      Thank you kindly. That clip brought back many great memories. Loved the music.

    • Bripro says:

      I don’t agree with Jack Todd (The Gazette) very often, but one issue that he and I always agree on.
      Samson and Loria destroyed the franchise. And those bozos are laughing it up in Florida.

    • D Mex says:

      Loved the Expos.
      Went to their inaugural home opener with my family and many more games after that. My dad had contacts in the front office which made it possible for me to meet Jim Fanning, Bob Bailey, Steve Renko and others. My buddies used to love the games as well.
      The last time I was at the Jarry Park tennis facility I went over to look around and, sure enough, the public pool is still out in right field, ditto the outer left field park area where locals used to harvest weeds during games to make wine. And I used to love the old bullpen action :

      – Jerry Robertson
      – Howie Reed
      – Elroy Face
      – Anyone remember ‘ Peanut ‘ ?

      Got to see many legends come into town as well, among them : Bob Gibson, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Don Drysdale and Carl Yastrzemski when Boston came to town for an exhibition game …
      Went to a spring game in Florida with my wife while on our honeymoon in 92 and it was great. I had left, returned and left Montreal again by then, and was left in silence watching their final home game on TV from BC years later – very sad.

      I wish our sons could have had some of the Expos experience, I still miss the team quite a bit.

      ALWAYS Habs –
      D Mex

  34. The_Franchise31 says:

    So what beers do you all drink if not molson?

  35. Timo says:

    In other news, I went to the Judas Priest concert last night and it was just freaking awesome! First row, center – can’t beat that. These old geezers rocked for good 2 hrs and 20 minutes. Can’t remember last time I enjoyed a Habs game that much. If they haven’t played Mtl yet I highly recommend.

    • stevieray says:

      You gotta watch out for us old guzzers Timo … takes us a while to get warmed up ..but watch out after that !!!! My good friend and I went to a Fogarty concert …and nearly scarred the be jesus out of everyone around us once the Black Rum started to kick …. no fools …no fun !

      • Timo says:

        I think 40+ was the most prevailing age in the audience, Stevie. Made me feel kinda young.

        Although I couldn;t see much of the audience cause I was in a first freakin’ row!!! 🙂 (I like pointing this out)

        • Bripro says:

          How’s the ringing in your ears this morning.
          A few years ago, AC DC played the olympic toilet bowl in Mtl,
          and my wife and I (old geezers…thanks for that) brought our teenage son and his buddy. Front row also.
          Awesome. I haven’t felt that young or gone deaf that fast in a long time.

          • Timo says:

            Based on the latest attendance of Arch Enemy concert, I figure ringing should stop probably some time sunday.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Angela Gossow is hot 😛

            “And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.” – Deuteronomy 2:33

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • Bripro says:

          I hear you (no pun intended).
          My nephew is lead guitarist for a death metal band called Uprising Eternal.
          The signer sounds like he’s got a 600 volt cable stuck up his gi gi,
          but I like their music. Very intense.
          Anyhow, every once in a while, we follow them through the nightclubs, and it usually takes me 4 or 5 days before I stop asking people to repeat themselves.

        • stevieray says:

          That’s the ” Air Guitar ” ..row !!!! Up close and personal ….

    • shiram says:

      They have a new young guitarist though.
      It’s their farewell tour right?

      Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

      • Timo says:

        Sounded like it, though I read that they might not entirely hang it up, but won’t be doing large global tours for sure. Rob is 60 after all. Glenn I think is about the same as well.

        The new guitarist was decent too… tried to be funny sometime for some goof balls in the audience, but played well.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Yah KK left the band, was not clear the issue.

        • Timo says:

          One article I read simply said he retired.

        • Everlasting1 says:

          It was more about the touring demands, than anything personal from what I’ve heard.

          “And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.” – Deuteronomy 2:33

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • Jordio-oh says:

      Judas Preist never went #1 in their own country. Buncha’ underachieving millionaires.

      Not fit to carry Gomez’s hockey gloves.

      • DEANDALLEY says:

        They suck!

        “Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing”

      • Everlasting1 says:

        #1 what exactly? Underachievers?

        “And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.” – Deuteronomy 2:33

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • DEANDALLEY says:

      JP suck!

      Now AC/DC Rocks!

      “Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing”

    • Propwash says:

      I saw Priest about 4 years ago. Voivod opened for them. It was an awesome show.


  36. db says:

    I give the first hatty to PK, and it’s a natty.

  37. Ian Cobb says:

    What crappy audio, done by a professional grade 3 project!

    We deserve better here.

  38. Ian Cobb says:

    If Gomez replaces Eller on the 3rd line, it might work for them.

    But if Martin changes more than one line around, he will destroy what little chemistry the lines have developed the last 3 games.

    DD has given the second line life and energy.
    Pleks, Patches and Gionta on the first have played very well together.

  39. Ian Cobb says:

    No hat tricks with the Jacques Martin System, or you will get benched for not being defensive enough!

    • Bripro says:

      I find it ironic that on the previous blog, Boone pointed out that Martin admired the Senators defence, because they had an offensive defenceman on each line.
      Why then, won’t he adopt that style?

  40. Mattyleg says:

    Another installment of
    Lovesong of J. Alfred Martin
    (with apologies to TS Elliot)

    And indeed there will be time
    For Jacques to wonder, “Do I dare?” and, “Gomez centers second?”
    Time to turn back from the cup that beckoned,
    With a bald spot in the middle of his hair—
    (They will say: “How his hair is growing thin!”)
    His morning coat, his collar mounting firmly to the chin,
    His #11 rich and modest, but offset by a goofy grin—
    (They will say: “But how his strategy is thin!”)
    Do I dare
    Disturb the blogoverse?
    In a minute there is time
    For decisions and line-revisions which a minute will reverse.

    ***more later!***

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  41. samTHEman says:

    Who will be the 1st Montreal Canadiens to score a hat trick this season? Please don’t say Gomez. Too easy 🙂

    I say Pacioretty

    It’s P.K. Tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiime

  42. DearyLeary says:

    PK’s interview is hilarious, he can’t keep away from what’s going to be a glorious moustache.

  43. People fretting over this Rinne deal effecting Price’s next contract need to take some downers. You guys are way too high strung. Given last season Price’s contract this year was going to START around 4.5M/year. He was never going to be cheap. This deal has little to no effect on the situation, there are 28 other starting goaltenders in the league, many are much more comparable to Price.

    As Robert said on twitter, if the org starts signing contracts based on whatever other teams pay for their players, we’ll be the most mismanaged team in the NHL. Price will either get a 2 year deal to take him to UFA status from 4.5-5M/year or he’ll get longer term from 5.5-6.5 in a similar deal to what Cam Ward got.

    Seriousfan09 has started a Movember team named McPhee’s Irregulars. Donate to him, or me or the team to raise money for a great cause!

    • patience is a virtue says:

      “Price will either get a 2 year deal to take him to UFA status from 4.5-5M/year or he’ll get longer term from 5.5-6.5 in a similar deal to what Cam Ward got.”

      If he repeats last year’s performance, I’d say this is just about right. Depends on the playoffs and hardware too though.

      No need to take downers. We’re all thankful to have something to debate 🙂

      • Vladdy Mondavi says:

        I think Ward’s numbers are reasonable, but the only issue is his contract was signed 2 years ago. So from the Price camp point of view, they would want to use more recent figures.

        AB, you’re right – Rinne is older – another thing CP has going for him going into the negotiations.

        Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

    • habsnyc says:

      I agree. But, much depends on this season. Every round of playoffs he wins is going to add $5million to his total contract.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  44. Jordio-oh says:

    Apologies in advance for the second post in about 10 minutes, but I HAD to post this:

    the Bell Centre has the most expensive beer prices in the league at $0.62/ounce. In other words, $9.94 for a 16 ounce beer.

    The irony of paying the most despite being owned by the Molsons is palpable.

    Buffalo sells 16 ounce beers for $5.00.

    Colorado sells 24(!!) ounce beers for $6.25

    Avs are the cheapest at $0.26/ounce.

    Who wants to roadtrip?


    • secretdragonfly says:

      I think you’re not taking into account, it’s all American “beer”.

      • Jordio-oh says:

        Pfffff, I’m way too lazy to create an index that calculates how drunk you can get for x dollars per ounce based on varying alcohol percentages.

        • secretdragonfly says:

          Sounds like the perfect challenge for some of our number-crunching genius posters – anyone?

        • Vladdy Mondavi says:

          In Colorado, you’re also watching the game at a higher altitude, so the buzz is more impactful.

          I’d say count me in on the road trip, but the wife and kids say otherwise. Sigh, … it’s nice to feel wanted.
          Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Did you just use the word impactful?

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Vladdy Mondavi says:

            I did use the word impactful… I get bored with the English language and make up my own words, irregardlessly.

            Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

          • Jordio-oh says:

            @mattyleg, if Bill Gates can use it, we all can.


            Besides, there have been farrrrrrrrrrr worse violations than this on this webpage.

          • Mattyleg says:

            There are certain posters from whom I demand a certain level of excellence, and others for whom I consider a single correctly spelled word a resounding victory. Vladdy is one of the former.

            Actually, all joking pomposity aside, I just hate that word. No offense VM, it’s a pet peeve.
            That and people who yell “He’s a beast!!”

            What does that even mean?

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Vladdy Mondavi says:

            No worries, Mattyleg. We all have our pet peeves. And I’ve been warned. Fecetiously, if I use it again, it will be directly directed at you. But don’t worry, your comment won’t impact how much I donate toward your Mo’vember pledge drive.

            I take “He’s a Beast!” to mean he’s growing an overabundance of hair in strange places.
            Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Two thumbs up.

            Nathan Horton is truly a beast.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • i’d throw anything tagged molson in the same mix as american piss beer 😉


      • jmsheehy19 says:

        After spending a number of years in both countries, I’m gonna stand up and say it. American beer blows Canadian beer out of the water. Larger quantity of quality beers and greater diversity in types of beers. The only way Canada comes out on top is when you compare cheap beers, which is like saying the bruins are classier than the Rangers but only comparing Thornton to Avery.

        • Tharsis says:

          I completely agree with you, I have been living in the states for the last 5 years now, and the selection of beer is very good. There are many midsized microbrews available which put out some great beers.

          Even comparing the cheapo beers, I would venture to say that the US comes out on top because you get more and it is equivalently palatable as any Labatt or Molson product. A dirty thirty of PBR for $15 isn’t too bad.

          Molson and Labatts are absolutely foul products.


          Fate leads the willing, and drags along the reluctant.

          • vivsterjuve88 says:

            reading my mind… the funny thing is, we’ve got crappy beers in canada produced only to be as cheap as can be legally sold (not cheap enough) that still put shame to the taste of any molson product, and I’ll noose labatt up too

          • jmsheehy19 says:

            True, and Yeungling is way better than molson or la labatt.

        • G-Man says:

          Sorry, um, Bud, but like our micro-breweries blow the Yank ones out of the water. So, there!


          When in doubt, blame PP.

          • habs1966 says:

            Agreed, our micro-breweries are fantastic! Try some Dieu du Ciel Peche Mortel or Charlevoix Dominus Vobiscum Lupulus:)

          • jmsheehy19 says:

            Dieu du Ciel is the only Canadian brewery that would make a run at my favorites.

          • jmsheehy19 says:

            Although, I was just recently introduced to Brewtopia and had some good ones, so we’ll see.

  45. Mattyleg says:

    Just to remind you all, I’m growing a mo’ for Movember, to help fund prostate cancer research!!

    Visit my Movember site to make a donation!
    It can be small!
    It’ll make you feel great!

    And you get a chance to gaze upon the shaven visage of Mattyleg as he embarks on his quest to find his inner Magnum.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  46. Jordio-oh says:

    Predators are going to regret this signing. But, they really didn’t have much of a choice.

    Rinne is 29. I wonder how he’s going to be when he’s 36 years old and has a cap hit of 7 mill.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      He came into the NHL over the last 3 years though so he isn’t carrying the wear and tear some goalies do. He can reasonably stand up to his contract at 36 I think.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
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    • 24 Cups says:

      I figured Rinne would get at least 6+ so it’s a bit high but not totally our of whack. It basically means we’re going to eventually land up giving Price more than we thought. We can probably go another short term deal before we decide to lock in long term.

      We’ll see what the new CBA brings.

      The Preds didn’t have much choice. If they lose Rinne and Weber, the team could quickly turn into Atlanta.

      • Jordio-oh says:

        Your last point is very accurate.

        Plus, signing Rinne long term shows Weber and Suter they’re serious about building long term and making commitments to it’s best players.

        I’m still hesitant about Rinne’s long term capabilities. However, I’m always the guy in my hockey pool who plays it too safe to a fault (Marty Turco in the 3rd round last year. Not a good idea).

  47. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    I really don’t get how the salary cap stuff works, but does Gomez’s cap hit lessen in the next two years?

    • shiram says:

      No, but his actual salary does.
      Basically the cap hit is the total salary divided by the years on the contract.

      Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

      • Ghosts of the Forum says:

        Aha, thanks. I looked on CapGeek and it said that it was still at 7+ until 13/14…so that’d be the cap hit?

        • shiram says:

          You got it.

          Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

          • Mattyleg says:

            So anybody who picks him up takes that same cap-hit regardless of how much they’re paying him.

            That’s actually a good thing for small franchises that struggle to hit the cap floor – teams like Dallas, NYI, etc. could be a destination for Gomer as he won’t cost them too much, but his cap burden will help them reach the floor.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Morenz7 says:

            Which is why many of us day-dream of some team desperate to make the salary floor taking him on: they’d get a fat cap hit while paying a fraction on the dollar in actual salary.

            Problem is, Gomez at $5 million is still too little bang for the buck. Invites an interesting question: what would be the right salary for Gomez?

        • Ghosts of the Forum says:


          Thanks for helping to explain this! An area of the game I’m not an expert at — unlike moves PG and JM should or shouldn’t be making 😉

          So if we were to trade Gomez, we’d still have to pay a portion of his salary, but would lose the cap hit?

          @morenz — I think Gomez is actually a really good third-line centre. Good on the PK, can backcheck and set up goals (relative to third-line production). So what do you pay for that? 3 mill or so (given you’re getting some experience as well)

          Also, if he was sent to Hamilton, the cap hit is lost?

          • shiram says:

            If he is traded, the team taking him takes all his salary and all his cap hit.
            If he plays in Hamilton, his cap hit does not count against the Habs cap limit.

            Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

          • GrimJim says:

            If he is sent to Ham, no cap hit for Mtl
            If he is traded, no cap hit for Mtl
            If he is going to be sent to Ham and picked up on waivers, no cap for Mtl
            If he is recalled from Ham and picked up by another team on re-entry waivers, 1/2 of the cap hit stays with Mtl until the contract ends 3 years from now (unless he retires)

  48. HabsFanNorway says:

    Where is the best place to watch a game, have a few drinks and some food on a saturday in Montreal (except the Bell Center of course)?

  49. HabinBurlington says:

    Price may be an RFA but people are fooling themselves if they don’t believe Rinne’s contract will have an impact on Price’s contract. If Price has a year similar to last year he will be considered one of the best goalies in the NHL which would include Rinne.

    • If the Canadiens wanted they could take Price to arbitration, where Rinne’s contract would by definition be considered ineligible for comparison.

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      • patience is a virtue says:

        Do you really think that’s gonna happen? The possibility may set a backdrop for the negotiations, but i can’t see either side taking it there. Price is a very straight shooter and won’t want arbitration. PG knows Price, and is a smart GM. He’ll do whatever needs to be done to sign him long-term.

        By springtime, we may be happy the season started off with a losing streak and a couple of Markov-less months, in terms of the damage done to Price’s numbers.

        I’ll bet something like ~$6.25M x 5 years (5, 6, 6.5, 7, 7).

        Maybe low-balling, given Rinne’s deal. Could be a few million more. Hope not.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Dumbbell contract in my opinion. Wondering if they hired Milbury as a consultant.

      • Ghosts of the Forum says:

        I disagree. Goalies like Rinne you don’t let walk away. They have a huge stable of good defenceman, and if ownership there is finally willing to hit the cap limit, why not? Sign him and your goaltending is set for 7 years. Flip either Weber or Suter into some offensive talent (can you imagine what teams will be willing to give up for Weber at the deadline?) and all of a sudden, Nashville is a very tough team to beat.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          I understand your point ghost but I never thought of Rinne as a goalie in the elite catagory. Perhaps I am wrong as I will admit my exposure to his play is somewhat limited.

          • Ghosts of the Forum says:

            Always hard to predict, especially over the course of 7 years. But he’s a UFA, at the risk of losing him for nothing, I think it’s worth taking a bit of a risk on the term.

            He was unbelievable all of last year, especially in the playoffs.

            But, like you, I’ll eat crow if I’m wrong!

        • G-Man says:

          If Nashville can’t afford Weber or Suter, they won’t get anyone with salary in return. Ergo, a decent prospect, but nothing more- the ownership cannot pay.


          When in doubt, blame PP.

        • patience is a virtue says:

          Agreed. Fads come and go based on the make up of cup winning teams, etc, but an elite goalie is not a fad. It’s a foundation.

          Quick, Lundqvist, Ward, Miller, Vokoun, Thomas, Rinne.

          Maybe Price gets added to this list in a year or two. I think Brodeur is in the process of falling off of it.

          • clubdehockey says:

            Given his outstanding overall stats, but perhaps the tendency to crumble in high-pressure games, where would you rank Luongo on this list?

    • G-Man says:

      I don’t think Price can command $7mil – win or be in the Finals, then maybe.
      Nashville are idiots for signing Rinne to that large a salary and term. Didn’t any GM learn from the DiPietro and Luongo signings or are they blind, too?


      When in doubt, blame PP.

  50. HabinBurlington says:

    Sorry Malreg, diddnt see u already posted, I can’t believe Nashville paid that much and term. I guess Suter is next, can’t believe they will have room for Weber, Suter and Rinne.

  51. Vladdy Mondavi says:

    Price’s price just went up. Rinne signed for $49M for 7yrs.

    That’s $7M per year to play in a relatively “relaxed” hockey market.

    I knew there’d be a fair chunk of salary cap going towards Carey Price next year (and going forward), but I didn’t think it would be that much (and then some for danger/media/fan pay).

    Adds a little urgency to getting Gomez’s salary off the books.
    Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

    • Sharks9 says:

      Price will probably get around 6 mil, depending on how the team does this year and how good hi personal numbers are.

      I don’t think he’ll get 7 million though, he hasn’t been around as long as Rinne and doesn’t have any trophy nominations.

      25 before 14

    • Rinne isn’t a comparable. He’s a UFA, Price is an RFA.

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      • Vladdy Mondavi says:

        You’re probably right that Rinne’s isn’t a comparable in arbitration, but it can still be used by his agent during negotiations beforehand.

        • And if his agent even tries, watch Gauthier walk out of the room.

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          • Vladdy Mondavi says:

            So what is comparable during negotiations, if not similar stats/age/experience and using those figures to derive an equitable salary?

            For the record, I would LOVE to be able to witness such a discussion, with or without PG leaving the room. Which in my opinion would not be a wise strategic move when dealing with franchise’s number 1 stud.

            Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

          • Rinne is 5 years older than Price. That’s not similar in age at all. The negotiations aren’t going to start off referencing UFA deals. If anything Price’s agent will start with Cam Ward.

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      • coldness81 says:

        so he’ll sign a 2 year deal and then leave. u’ll have to pay him.

      • sane hockey fan says:

        I’m pretty sure contract status is not the only thing compared during contract negotiations…No one is saying Price will get as much as Rinne but his stock did just go up UFA or not.

  52. HabinBurlington says:

    Wow Rinne just got 49mill over 7yrs. What will price get?

  53. kirkiswork says:

    I agree, last year AK led the team in hits, he has a freakin wicked shot. It will be a shame to lose a big forward when that is what everybody is crying for.

  54. Malreg says:

    Wow, Preds sign Rinne to a 7 year, $49 million contract.

    Price is still an RFA after this season, compared to Rinne who would have been a UFA, but it’s still not a good sign…

  55. Vladdy Mondavi says:

    John Maclean coached in NJ last year without much success.

    The moustachioed Paul MacLean is coaching the Senators this year.
    Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

  56. JD_ says:

    Seems to me the reason AK gets ragged on a wee bit disproportionately – i.e., his sometimes lethargic and/or disogranized play is not dissimilar from a lot of guys, it just seems to garner more robust criticism on a relative basis – is his inability to communicate to the media and, by extension, the fan base.

    As a result, there is an absence of any measure of his view of his own performance – one Belarusian interview is hardly a representative sample – leadin’ to a tendency for people to assume he is not self-critical. And nature abhors a vacuum.

    Every time I see AK talkin’ to a teammate on the ice or bench, I always half-joke that all he is sayin’ is “Andrei Kostityn”, over and over, cause, you know, he probably is.


    Ok, not hockey-related, but innerestin’ nevertheless.

    A statement released this mornin’ from Justin Bieber’s camp: “Paul Anka is a legendary singer/songwriter and, as a fellow Canadian, Justin feels the time has come to render homage to the beloved icon by recording a cover of one of his greatest hits. If individuals want to connect Justin’s desire to craft his interpretation of ‘(You’re) Having My Baby’ to the recent spate of malicious and, ultimately unfounded gossip, that is entirely within their purview. It is merely a coincidence and Justin has nothing more to add to the discussion.”

  57. Psycho29 says:

    With that loss last night Brodeur ties for the all time lead in losses:

    Brodeur 352 losses in 1135 GP

    Joseph 352 losses in 943 GP

    Worsley 352 losses in 861 GP

    Of course the Gumper played on a lot of bad Ranger teams…
    The closest active goalie is Khabibulin with 308 career losses…

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