Multimedia from Canadiens Thursday practice

Eller

Not much news.
Tomas Kaberle, Travis Moen, Mathieu Darche and Raphael Diaz skated on the second rink.
Petteri Nokelainen took a therapy day.
Carey Price will start against the Senators Friday night at the Bell Centre.
Peter Budaj is likely to get the call Saturday in Philadelphia.

AUDIO: Randy Cunneyworth

329 Comments

  1. b_whalen13 says:

    Gomez is number 6 on tsn’s top ten end to end goals today. Lol. Why can’t he do that as a Hab?

  2. HabinBurlington says:

    I find the new poll question difficult to answer anything but No. This is not to say I don’t think they could make playoffs next year, but first we need to see The Winds of Change blow through the Bell Center and its offices, once I see what the winds bring in, then I can make a better guesstimate on next years results. Until then I have to look at the current roster, coaching staff and management.

  3. HabinBurlington says:

    Overall pretty good results in the NHL last night. Things are looking up! (or down)

  4. jonnyp says:

    Patrick Roy as new gm ? Wil thus work ??

  5. HabFanSince72 says:

    Nicster asks why focus on the Q since it is the weakest league.

    One reason that has nothing to do with ethnocentrism is that the Q is under-scouted. Everyone else also thinks it is a weak league, therefore there are probably more hidden gems.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Sidney Crosby……

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I would think if we managed to get 2 or 3 of the top Q draft eligible players we end up with some pretty good players. As others and yourself point out, the division may be weaker, but it still produces incredible talent. The fact it is in our backyard, there is no reason for us to not have the “skinny” on all the top players.

  6. chanchilla says:

    Desharnais was also another guy
    To add to the list of french guys not drafted, if it werent for guy carbonneau he’d be playing somewhere else

  7. nickster13 says:

    Just me eh.. Asia can be pretty lonely.

    Habs are done this year, but we can be good next year, with a promising rookie stud (my vote: Forsberg, already plays with men, so he can fit right in), and cutting the deadweight. We can do it.

    “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the rocket!”

    • slychard says:

      No I’m here as well. Forsberg is my choice only if Falska is gone. But what do I know. I just like his name.

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      • nickster13 says:

        What the Faksa! Im a huge fan of the Swedes. If Forsberg is on the top of the list for Timmins (ill assume he knows what hes doing), then we should make that pick. If not, then I’m sure Faksa is a good choice.

        “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the rocket!”

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …looks like I have something to agree with both Yourself and Sly about
      …I looked at a 10 minute video of Grigorenko playing for the Remparts, and was underwhelmed …maybe the videographer did not know what he was doing, but it sure did not show anything to indicate he is a Top-2 draft pick
      …I too worry about wasting a draft-choice because of the KHL factor …though I would swap My left Gonad for a Malkin-clone :)
      …Forsberg and Radek Faksa are My 2 alternates to the 3 top Russians
      …Alex Galchenyuk and Matthew Dumba are also on My radar
      …would be sweet to luck-out with Galchenyuk (healthy), Forsberg, Dumba, and Malcolm Subban wouldn’t it ?
      …I think Plekanek is this generation’s Guy Carbonneau, an invaluable defensive asset, just NOT a number one or two centre …I would, though reluctantly trade Pleks for a first-round draft-pick if it made those 3 or 4 do-able in July

      PostScript: …hope You both are aware I’m only dreaming :)

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      Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
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      • Malreg says:

        “…would be sweet to luck-out with Galchenyuk (healthy), Forsberg, Dumba, and Malcolm Subban wouldn’t it ?”

        Too bad we would need 3 top 10 picks, plus a late 1st rounder to make that happen…

  8. H.Upmann says:

    Just remembered something: did management slim down the scouting dept when PG took over? (or Molson?) … Maybe we could pay Gomez to scout in EU? A few years later and this trade is starting to stink like rotten fish. Starting to look like if it wasn’t for having two great goalies, we’d be diving into a sewer to join Columbus.

  9. Chris says:

    OHL coaches poll was released for the Western Conference…

    Jarred Tinordi finished 2nd in the Western Conference in the category of “Best Bodychecker”, but was not one of the top 3 for “Best Defensive Defenceman” (his teammate Scott Harrington won that award).

    • ProHabs says:

      Damn, sounds like he will be a bust. In all the years to decide to tank a season, the Habs do it with 3 Ruskies as the top forward prospects, 3 guys who will threaten to go to the KHL if they don’t get their way.

      • SlovakHab says:

        Yeah, he has Ryan McDonagh sized bust written all over him.
        Let’s trade him for Rick DiPietro while his value is still decent – don’t care how, even throw in Gallagher if necessary.

  10. H.Upmann says:

    My gawd, if the club wants to move forward after this season, they HAVE to remove Gomez somehow. Kovalev was a drifter but could play when inspired at least… Gomez has been a black hole for a long time and obviously isn’t turning it around now. I hope there’s a major shakeup when the seasons done.

    • ProHabs says:

      I’m wondering if Gomez would be interested in coming back next year as a player/coach with the Habs. Then we wouldn’t need to hire another head coach so that would save Molson a couple of bucks.

      The guys on the team seem to like him so they would play hard for him and if I remember correctly, when Gomez came to Montreal, he said he was going to learn French. I haven’t heard hiim say a word in French but if Gomez said he was going to learn the language, then you can be sure he was good to his word.

  11. Habitant in Surrey says:

    @ Bill, HabsTrinifan & anyOne else interested :)
    …was sittin’ with My Kids in Starbucks, eatin’ truffles, and pulled out the ol’ Ipod Touch …I don’t know why, but I pull-up HIO on WIFI to see what You Mendicants were now up to (I don’t do that often in Starbucks …maybe sittin’ on the John, but rarely in Starbucks ! :) )
    …and WHAT ??? does Me Eyes read ? …Bill sayin’ sumptin’ snarky ’bout little ol’ Moi !!!
    …well, as soon as I came home, I opened My PC, put on Fred Astaire’s ‘Let’s Call The Whole Thing Off’ …to get Me in the ‘mood’ to respond :)
    …about 1:30 AM in the mornin’ after Booner put-up His About Last Night thread after the last game, I got on My horse, as We all do (‘some’ more often than others) on a couple of varied HIO subjects, as is My wont after Da Kids are snoring in Their warm little
    beds
    …one subject I wrote-on was the Sherbrooke Tribune’s interview with Serge Savard …little aware what a ‘stink’ I was creating
    …first, before I say anything else …MEA CULPA !!!
    …when I read Serge state that the Habs’ ‘Head Recruiter’ was ‘American’ …I stood back, and asked Myself whether that was correct, because I was under the impression Trevor Timmons was CANADIAN …but, at 2 AM and writing something pithy before anticipating One’s coconut is snuggled warmly in a pillow, …Wikipedia and Google Search are one of the least likely urgencies foremost in My noodle
    …basically, because it was Serge Savard stating Our ‘Head Recruiter’ was American, …at 2 AM I was not as concerned to check the facts as I might normally
    …I think most of You know I don’t usually make unsubstantiated remarks, …opinions yes, but I carefully consider most things I say
    …in the context of Serge’s remarks on the Habs’ scouting priorities, I happen to have long held the same opinion as Serge was making …that the Montreal Canadians must have as a priority the QMJHL, CHL, US and Europe, in that order, as Their primary sources of Player recruitment …there should be 4 to 6 full-time scouts for Quebec and Ontario alone …3 to 4 for Quebec with overlaps
    …WHAT ??? got Me to choke on My Starbuck’s truffle was Bill’s misquote of what I said: “Ohhh, our director of scouting is American, no wonder we don’t pick french players …typical HIO”
    …which I assume is ‘Bill’ takin’ a swipe at Me (usually I ignore ‘swipes’, because responding is like swattin’ at mosquitoes in HIO, a complete waste of time) …but I respond in this exception because I don’t think ‘Bill’ should get-away with misquoting anyOne, let alone Moi :), or exaggerating sanctimoniously
    …the words I used in My ABLN comment was “…what was ‘new’ and ‘a surprise’ to Myself was Serge’s public-issues with the Canadiens for having ‘an American’ as Our senior Scout (Trevor Timmons ?); surprised, because I was not aware Timmons was American …is He ? …if so, that explains certain inexplicable/mind-boggling draft choices of US college players, rather than QMJHL homeboys…”
    …You will note I am asking IF Trevor Timmons is American …not stating He is American
    …I should have ended with that question, but glibly I followed-on remarking, ‘IF TRUE’, it explains the questionable oversight of QMJHL prospects that are blue-chips today, in favor of NCAA/USHL picks that turned out to be busts (and, I’m not saying DO NOT pick American prospects, because I ‘love’ Max just as much as You ‘love’ Max !!! :) )
    …likely it was Gordie Roberts (an American) that was the Head Scout (Eastern) Serge was referring to, not Timmons
    …whatever, …to Myself, a good hockey scout is ‘a good hockey scout’, whether He is a Canadian, American, European or from Mars
    …the issue IMPORTANT to Me is that the Canadiens, for a period of time, have not adequately prioritized Quebec and QMJHL players …and, in My opinion, it is the most salient reason several excellent Quebec and Francophone players were ‘missed’ or over-looked in past drafts
    …and, in My opinion, that was, and is, unacceptable/unforgivable for the Montreal Canadiens

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    …the Montreal Canadiens organization and Our Fans, as a whole need to feel this current cold frigid splash of reality, …this process will, hopefully, give Us a long needed sense of humility, not humiliation …and help to revive and renew Our tattered culture of high hockey ideals, and ultimate success in the near future
    …ride the wave, is all We can do as Fans: …Ownership must make the right choices, persevere, and act not talk

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
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    • nickster13 says:

      Sad fact of the matter is that the QMJHL is by far the weakest league right now. So focusing more there is pointless. The cycle has shifted back to the ontario league for now. And maybe in 10 years we will see the quebec league on top again. But for now, pointless.

      “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the rocket!”

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2011/05/29/sp-chl-memorial-cup-final.html

        “Patch the holes, ride it out, Play for 2015″
        - Sean Bonjovi

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        …sorry to disagree Nick, but Quebecois and Francophone is integral to the soul of the Montreal Canadiens
        …I know a lot of You feel it means nothing of the sort …but, even though I am Square-Head as a Square-Head can be a Square-Head, I know and embrace this fact
        …if I didn’t ? …I would be today a Weeds’ fan :(
        …God HELP Me ! :)
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        Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
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        • nickster13 says:

          Hey i got nothing against them, but just not yet. Why focus on a league that will produce 1 star, as opposed to the OHL which turns out 3-4 at least at the same time.

          “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the rocket!”

          • slychard says:

            Hey you! Yes you! From the other side of the planet you.
            The Q is UNDERscouted at the moment. Probably the best time to pick the sleeper all other teams are prejudiced to look at. Hey, that’s what this organization did best. The last Hab management to do this was under Savard and he did quite a good job of it. Go back to the roots and see what happens. A 4th round frog will bust @zz tenfolds to any first round Belarusian any day for this club…

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            Kiss my hAbSS!!!

          • Trisomy 21 says:

            That was a lifetime ago. Scouting is different these days.

          • nickster13 says:

            Im still on the other side of the planet! Korea. Well I would love another home grown star, but frankly there arent many good players coming out of there right now. I hope that changes…

            “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the rocket!”

          • Habitant in Surrey says:

            @Nickster
            …Giroux ? …Perron ?? …Letang ??? …just to name 3
            …by the way, I lived for a year in Seoul
            …hope You are enjoying the experience …I LOVE Asia !, if You haven’t heard Me say it previously :)

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            HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related

            Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
            http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

          • slychard says:

            How’s the white suit SURREY? ;-)

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            Kiss my hAbSS!!!

          • Habitant in Surrey says:

            @Sly
            …You reminded Me the other day it was still in My closet Sly …it’s been there for goin’ on 25 years …now thinkin’ to send to dry-clean
            …actually met My Wife in it :) …she married Me in spite of that fact :)
            …since My dear Wife passed away, it’s Her I think about when I see it
            …like everything in Life Sly, the most inexplicable have their significance

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            Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
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          • slychard says:

            Oui mon potte, oui. And I thought the white suit was a reference to a bad 80′s band that referred to your shady past in the orient. My bad. Still friends I hope and blessings to your other half on my part. If she was able to overlook the white suit, so could I. ;-)

            I must admit I love the fact you cap You and Her as if God. Excellent. Perfect. You obviously love’d her and she deserve’s it. Hope to meet you at a summit some day.

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      • ProHabs says:

        Agreed, picking guys from the OHL is the way to go. Best junior league in the world. And no smurfs please.

    • Chris says:

      Pick an organizational philosphy, and draft accordingly. Timmins’ draft picks made a lot of sense for a Montreal Canadiens playing an up-tempo offensive game as they did in 2007-08 under Guy Carbonneau. But those same picks were much less valuable for a defensive-shell game like the one they played under Jacques Martin.

      I don’t have a horse, but the team needs to pick a strategy and stick with it. And once they have that strategy, they need to forego the “best player available” argument and occasionally draft the “best player for our system” instead.

  12. HardHabits says:

    If the CBA allows for a mulligan as HiB calls it do you think it will be referred to as the Gomez clause?

  13. Mark C says:

    2 points for the Wild! Only the NYI are within 3 points of the Habs.

  14. HabinBurlington says:

    Minnesota Wild with shootout win over Flames!

  15. Mr_MacDougall says:

    The business side of the Scott Gomez contract is very interesting. He is owed 10 million dollars while eating 14.7 million dollars of salary cap space. Assuming he is not able to be traded there are three options.

    Options:
    1. Bury Gomez in Hamilton
    2. Keep him on the NHL club.
    3. Buy him out.

    One must assume the purpose of buying out Gomez or sending him to Hamilton would be to free up salary cap space and SPEND the “savings” in cap space on another player(s).

    The financial cost of each option.

    1. The most expensive option. 10 million payed to Gomez in Hamilton while paying his replacement(s) 14.7 million. Total additional cost is 14.7 million.

    2. No additional cost other than his 10 million dollar contract.

    3. Five million dollar buyout (*see below) costing 11.2 in cap space over four years. Essentially freeing up a “two year 7 million dollar contract,” while costing the team $1,666 the following two seasons.

    I really do not see Molson agreeing to send Gomez to Hamilton and raising the teams expenses by 14.7 million, and I would not see the benefit of buying him out only to free up 3.5 per over the next two seasons.

    I am expecting to see Gomez playing for the Habs next season. There may be potential to move him at the 2013 trade deadline, but I do not see how any scenario “benefits” the Habs as much as keeping Gomez, that is however, if Molson is ok with spending the additional 14.7 million in burying Gomez in the minors.

    *Scott Gomez buyout from CapGeek.com

    2012-13: $3,523,810
    2013-14: $4,523,810
    2014-15: $1,666,667
    2015-16: $1,666,667

    • thorandresson says:

      He could also be sent to Hamilton for 1 year, and then bought out.

    • smiler2729 says:

      Or hopefully some team needs to reach the cap floor and deals for him…

      Or the new CBA allows a mulligan…

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      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        By mulligan do you mean each team can select one player to “cut” penalty free? no payment, no contract?

        • Malreg says:

          If it does happen, which it most likely will not, teams would be allowed to buy out 1 player penalty free.

          • Mr_MacDougall says:

            There would still be the financial penalty, which would be 5 million plus the additional “cap space” the team would spend.. I’m speaking from the financial angle.. I sure hope Molson sees past the money and “gives permission” to send him to Hamilton, or use a “penalty free buyout” is it is available.

    • habs17 says:

      Every1 needs to know Gomez is going no where. I laugh at all of you who say he is gone. I Gurantee Gomez will be here next year

      I SUPPORT (every1 knows who i support)

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        I agree.

      • Greg says:

        He has to be gone. It’s a must. Whoever the new GM is will get rid of him. Either by burying him or buying him out (penalty free or not). How can you think he’ll be here next season? Why do you think that?

        • Trisomy 21 says:

          Because people are driven by money. Be realistic, is a multimillionaire going to throw over 10M away or continue to pay him to do what he was paid to do in the first place?

      • Chris says:

        If there is a buyout amnesty clause added to this summer’s CBA, I guarantee you he’s gone.

        At this point, keeping Scott Gomez in Montreal is beyond stupid, both for the player and for the franchise. He’s had 3 years to demonstrate that he’s a positive contributor. It hasn’t happened.

    • Mark C says:

      You fail to consider a few wildly important economic factors. The biggest of which is the opportunity cost of keeping Gomez (sunk cost) without maximizing utility by replacing Gomez with more cost effective and productive player(s). Ok, forget all the econ crap. Let’s think of it this way. It’s reported that Montreal makes upward of 2M a home playoff game. If Molson feels that replacing Gomez with player X, gives him a better chance at increasing his odds of playoff games, then the breakeven point is 7 games, or 2 series within the next two years. The actual breakeven point is likely lower, if player X helps to prevent another year like this one. As I am sure loss of interest in the team is hurting Molson’s bottom line.

      • ABHabsfan says:

        Mark it would appear that you are a faster typer than I; and perhaps you don’t have your wife talking to you at the same time!

        “man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
        Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        I was under the assumption that the 2 million per home playoff game represented Revenue not Profit. Even while assuming an “astronomical” Profit Margin of 30% it would take 24.5 home playoff games (1,400K / 0.3 X 2,000K) to cover the Gomez money. That would be one Championship and one Conference Final appearance all while assuming that Gomez ALONE prevents the team from even reaching the Playoffs.

        Take into consideration the management/coaching crisis this season in combination with injuries and being “trade deadline sellers,” this team could have easily been a playoff team this season.

    • ABHabsfan says:

      You should factor in the likelihood of making the play-offs with at least 2 additional players earning Gomez’s salary. At a cost of $5m per year that becomes profit to the team after only 2-3 home games. If you can realistically presume the Habs would be play-off bound by spending $14.6 M on other productive players, the business angle makes perfect sense.

      “man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
      Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        you are making you computations based on the assumption that “the Habs can not make the post season WITH Scott Gomez.”

        I would disagree with that statement.

        Do I want him gone? YES.
        Do I think there is any way to make sense of burying him in Hamilton? NO

        • NCRhabsfan says:

          The Habs cannot and will not make the play-offs again with Scott Gomez on the team. It is that simple. If he stays, the message is clear, the team is not trying to win. BTW, good luck finding a new head coach that would come to Montreal knowing he has a $7M player that isn’t as good as most of the guys in Hamilton. No coach with a future takes that on, it would be like getting promoted to Captain of the Titanic after it hit the iceberg.

    • Greg says:

      How do you not see the value in dropping Gomez for $3.5M in cap space? That’s a no brainer. I don’t see how the Habs avoid buying him out.

  16. habs001 says:

    A final note on ak46…when we beat detroit it felt great yet a lot of frustration towards ak46..he played a great game and yet i knew he will disappear for the next 10-12 games…

  17. HabinBurlington says:

    Okay, I got way too much too much sun today, so how many more wins do we need to make the playoffs?

  18. habs001 says:

    3rd year in a row the team will finish in the bottom 10 in the league in scoring..unless we add a major free agent our scoring next year will not improve that much…i think it is more important to concentrate on bolstering our top 4 d with a least one major addition..

  19. HabinBurlington says:

    With a Minnesota goal I am close to my proline ticket! Only dissappointing part is I had Andrei Kostitsyn for at least a plus 1 tonight, given he is now playing for a great coach given how Montreal Effed him over.

    Alas, he finished with 2 shots on goal.

  20. Malreg says:

    Interesting… I was just looking over some point totals for this year, when I saw Getzlaf only has NINE goals so far, to go along with 44 assists for 53 points.

    2 seasons ago Gomez finished the year with 12 goals and 59 points, and it was still considered a terrible year.

  21. novahab says:

    Don’t know why people are talking about a coach next year, it’s Roy case is closed. The question will be who will Roy want for the GM because he will make that call. Only way Roy is coming to Montreal is he has final say.There no doubt he is coming, just wondering if PG can be the good soldier and listen.

  22. thorandresson says:

    I tried posting this earlier, but it didn’t get posted (H/O issues again?)

    I read earlier that Beaulieu got nominated for the Emile Bouchard award (best defenseman), Morgan Ellis got nominated for the Kevin Lowe (best defensive defenseman) and Bournival got nominated for best student-athete, In addition, Gallagher and Holland are on the WHL’s 1st and 2nd all star teams (as posted earlier). Not too bad and all those guys should be in Hamilton next year. I also suspect the Habs will give Patrick Roy’s son a tryout at camp, he got nominated for the Guy Carbonneau award.

    All this to say, there is a light at the end of the tunnel and it looks pretty bright.

    • HabFab says:

      Pateryn nominated for top defensive D in CCHA also

      • thorandresson says:

        Nice, I wonder if Tinordi got a nomination too, I quickly browsed through the OHL’s website but didn’t find anything.

        Re: Pateryn, I read in a Gazette article in the last week, that he might consider going to med school.

      • punkster says:

        Wait, I thought we had no talent in the system.

        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • HabFab says:

          It is subjective…

        • Stev.R says:

          THN was plain wrong. They ranked teams based on their AHL prospects (which we have none), and ignored the Jr players (which we have several).

          • HabFab says:

            They are not completely wrong. It is hard to judge prospects and if team A has the 6th, 37th and 63rd pick being judged against our 18th, 98th and 147th pick…you pick the team with the lower picks. We are damn lucky that Timmins and staff find us late rounders to match other teams in quantity. It is hard drafting with what he is given to find high quality.
            Unfortunately we don’t just throw away young prospects too fast but also 2nd and 3rd round draft picks IMO.

          • Stev.R says:

            I think the magazine should have been judging the players and completely ignoring what round someone was drafted. After they get drafted, the draft means nothing. If they are going to rank players, then they have to do it the right way and judge them based on what they see this season, not what scouts saw in their draft year.

  23. petefleet says:

    You know, I’ve been here in FLA for 10 days now and have had the, uhhh, privilege of watching TB live and on the TV. They are bad!!! Your Habs are light years ahead of these guys as far as watching them play some sort of prescribed game. TB is very, very hard to watch, just terrible hockey. Habs not far from being a good club again, TB is in trouble for a long time to come. Please, I know where both are in the standings, no need to point it out.

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    ***Habs Forever***

    • HabFab says:

      So your vote is NO to Boucher I take it.

      Lucky SOB by the way, although 28 yesterday and today.

      • petefleet says:

        No to Boucher if PG stays. Does that make any sense? PG is the problem in Hab land, not RC. Both are on borrowed time though. RC may have been better for the Habs if PG hadn’t tossed him out with the bath water when he was hired.

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        RGM
        ***Habs Forever***

    • petefleet says:

      Ex Hab Tom Pyatt has 2 goals tonight. Neither is pretty but the Bolts are up 2-1 over the Oilers.

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      RGM
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    • Malreg says:

      But, they tanked and got a couple lottery picks, how can they possibly still be bad?1

      • petefleet says:

        LOL

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  24. mrhabby says:

    Would Burke do this.

    Offer sheet to price.77m over 10years.
    Habs then get 2 .1st round pics, 2nd and 3rd round pick.
    I know it’s crazy but would he do it.

    • HabFab says:

      He is crazy so yes! Even though he still screams about Kevin Lowe doing it to him ;)

    • Habmyster says:

      They will go over the cap.Any way he will not do it.

    • otter649 says:

      If Dougherty & Stamkos did not get offer sheets last summer Price & Subban will not & if they did would be matched by Montreal – End of story…….

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      It would be four first round picks.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Mad Habber says:

      It will never happen. Burke hates rfa ‘s or at least how they work. He would swing a deal for Price but he wouldn’t give him an offer sheet. No matter how much trouble he is in.

      If we are dreaming of someone giving ridiculous offer sheets lets look to Columbus and perhaps someone a little lower on the depth chart. Hmm maybe Eller? Hey if Glen Wesley netted the Bruins two top ten picks…dreaming, only dreaming.

  25. habstrinifan says:

    If you think my post below re the Marinaro/Flynn discussion is just so much hogwash just go to the ‘about last night thread’ and read the posts re Serge Savard walking all over Timmins because he is American(?) and the responses.

    Boy if Molson does not get the wisdom of Solomon in making his GM/COACH decisions … this franchise could be in trouble for a long time.

    By the way this is the BIO of the man that Savard dumped on and derisively called poor professionally because he is American.

    Trevor Timmins
    Position: DIRECTOR OF PROCUREMENT AND PLAYER DEVELOPMENT
    Trevor Timmins enters his 11th season with the Montreal Canadiens. He is primarily responsible for overseeing and directing the Canadiens’ amateur scouting system, including the annual NHL Entry Draft and amateur free-agent recruitment.

    In addition, Timmins is responsible for both of the club’s summer development and rookie camps. He also oversees the development of the Canadiens prospects in Hamilton and the club’s amateur prospects. Trevor also supervises the annual NHL combine, as well as the Canadiens’ own combine, a pre-draft player evaluation process.

    Timmins starts his 20th season in the NHL. He worked with the Ottawa Senators from 1992 through the 2001-02 season. From 1999 to 2002, he was the team’s Director of Hockey Operations. He was responsible for the Scouting Department, the minor league affiliate, budgeting, and the daily operation of the Hockey Department.

    He has also held the positions of Scouting Coordinator, Strength and Conditioning Coach and Director of Team Services with the Senators. Timmins is a graduate of Queen’s University in Physical Education. He also completed a Master of Business Administration (Queen’s) and a Master’s degree in Sports Administration at the University of Ottawa. He was born on January 5, 1968, in Almonte, Ontario.”

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      That’s what I understood: born in Almonte, just on the outskirts of Ottawa.

    • HabFab says:

      Not an American amongst the Canadiens leadership. Either Savard mistaken OR he was taking a shot at Gauthier living across the border in Vermont and commuting.

      • habstrinifan says:

        You have to read the original post re the interview with Savard and also how quickly and unbecomingly some posters rushed to support Savard. I think Savard was a great player and GM for the HABS but he showed some mighty low pandering in that interview.

        • HabFab says:

          If Molson does get a new GM, he can’t talk to working prospects until after the hockey season and then only with the team that person works for permission. If he does approach someone prior, he is subject to fines , loss of draft picks,etc. So Jameson, I wouldn’t worry until then that Molson is doing nothing. Right now he is limited to only thinking about what he will do.

    • Bill says:

      I did go over and looked at the conversation about Timmons/Savard, and yeah, not surprising how some people swallowed that one whole and started grinding their axes on it: “Ohhh, our director of scouting is American, no wonder we don’t pick french players”. When all the while is Canadian, typical HIO :)

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • HabFab says:

        Had to go read after your comment. Not 100% he is talking about Timmins (Director of, not Chief Scout), he may have been referring to a couple years ago when we didn’t have a F/T scout in Quebec only a P/T (Denis Morel) and we had a scout (Gordie Roberts) who looked after the East. Serge Boisvert is now doing his job. Roberts is an American.

        But who the heck knows for sure.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      That does not sound like Savard. I would be very surprised if he had said that.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • HabFab says:

        Par le passé, j’ai déjà émis certains commentaires à l’effet que le Club de hockey Canadien s’était éloigné de la Ligue de hockey junior majeur du Québec. Cela n’a rien à voir avec ce que fait Geoff Molson depuis deux ans, mais ce que j’avais déploré à l’époque, c’est qu’on s’était éloigné de la LHJMQ. Le recruteur en chef était un Américain, alors que pour le Québec, on avait engagé Denis Morel – un ancien arbitre -, qu’on avait engagé à temps partiel.

        Read my take above. He later talks of things improving with the hiring of Boisvert.

  26. The Jackal says:

    Would anyone do this?

    Our pick for James Neal and Pitt’s first round pick.

    • nickster13 says:

      in a heartbeat. Neal is a proven scorer at age 24. Fantastic. And we still would get a first rounder, so we barely lose out on this year alone.

      “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the rocket!”

    • habstrinifan says:

      YES!

    • Marc10 says:

      We need a first line center more than we need another power forward. If we can land one of the first three centers available in the draft, I’d go for that instead.

      The kids that are coming up – Tinordi, Beaulieu, Gallagher, Bournival, Leblanc, Mini Boom, Bennett, Ellis, Nattinen, etc… will need 2-3 years to round into form. That’s more in line with an early first rounders development prospects so I’d stick with that rebuild plan.

      Neal would not win us a cup and he’d still need a bonafied center to have a true impact. On that basis, I’d keep the pick.

      My list of Habs needs:

      1) First Line Center (Impact Player mold)
      2) Big Top 6 Forward who can score 25+
      3) Big Defensive D who can drop them
      4) Shawn Thornton Clone
      5) Cattle Prod to be used when needed on Bourque, Pleks or anyone else who takes a shift/period/game/season off

    • boing007 says:

      Why would the Penguins give up on Neal?

      Richard R

  27. habstrinifan says:

    The only positive vibes I received today was hearing Brian Wilde say that he knows that Geoff Molson had reached out to many many people for ideas and analysis etc and most of those people were saying that they thought Molson would have read and replied to their contributions. But Molson never responded to any.

    So a) Molson is seeking counsel far and wide…. EXCELLENT.
    B) Molson is doing a thorough evaluation without allowing
    any one set of ideas to unduly influence his decision..
    EXCELLENT.

    If Brian Wilde is correct then the ‘hockey neophyte’ Molson is doing the right thing by gathering as much good advice as he can before he makes any decisions. I am happy about this.

  28. Bripro says:

    Poor Eller with that perpetual red mark across his forehead.
    Somebody buy that boy a decent helmet!

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Bripro, I’m actually heartened that his helmet is obviously being worn snug on his head. A properly fitted helmet is worn snug on the head, directly in contact with the skin with no gaps. Most hockey players have an eggshell on with no padding that floats around and will do a poor job of absorbing any impact.

      Hockey helmets will evolve and get to a point fairly quickly, maybe in five years, that they offer as much protection as a football or motorcycle helmet. You won’t see them bobbling around on top of a player’s head like we do currently.

      Why is the NHL perpetually ten years behind the times, behind everyone else?

      ———————————
      How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  29. habstrinifan says:

    I heard two very interesting segments on team990 today. One segment was a fairly intense discussion between Norman Flynn a french contributor and Tont Marinaro. The discussion centred around the possibility of Roy as head-coach and Mainaro allowed one or two members of his audience to speak with Norman Flynn.

    It was interesting and was very evident of the intractable French language issue weighed against the best coach available. What it also demonstrated is that the Canadiens could be in a whirlpool of ineffectiveness in making decisions which could continue the downward trend of the franchise. That is unless the media (English and French) and the powers that be (Molson and the board of directors) are emboldened with integrity and honesty and wise pragmatism in making decisions for the team and reporting on the team.
    If the decisions are made with the same obtuseness as was the RC appointment then prepare for a long sorrowful stay within the ranks of confused mediocrity.

    The second segment was on the Melnick show where Mike Babcock was interviewed about his new book “Leave no doubt”. Just listening to Babcock and his tales about his mentors (including Bowman) and his philosophy troubles you that HABS would never be able to hire a coach like Mike Babcok unless he was fluent in French. Maybe he is because I think he spent time at McGill but I am not sure. I am not saying that there is no French speaking coach who would be as smart as Babcock.. just that the search becomes doubly difficult and that the aformentioned wisdom need be front and centre among all who influence the future of the team.. and do not fool yourselves.. the media do have a great influence.

    Edit: Muller’s name and success in Carolina came up in the Marinaro discusssion and the ambiguity of the statements from both sides was insufferably depressing. And HABS fans, you can thank JM for the loss of Kirk Muller.. whom he all but drove away because he, JM, was so insecure in his own ability. Of course his doubts were well-founded… the idiot. I will never forgive JM for contributing so much to the decay of our team’s resources. A-hole!

    • Bripro says:

      Marinaro and Flynn.
      If ever you get thrown into a paper bag and want to make certain you can’t find your way out, hire either of those two.

      • habstrinifan says:

        I was hoping for a more considered reply. I think the discussion between Marinaro and Flynn crystallized the challenges of hiring management/coaching for the team.

        • Bripro says:

          In their defence, I didn’t hear the interview.
          But Marinaro’s arrogance and Normand Flynn’s mis-information (often) just aren’t my cup of tea.

      • otter649 says:

        After the Paul Maurice disaster as the coach of The Canes any coach coming in would result in an improvement especially since Eric Stall basiclly stopped playing for the coach & goal tending was bad the coaching change (with any coach)the team had no where to go but up & improve & move up the standings……..

    • Le Jadester says:

      Thanks for the post Habstrinifan !

      Your last paragraph just made my blood boil. I knew JM stunk of arrogance to mask his insecurities. I just had this gut instinct right from his 1st practice of calling out SK 74 (Yep, I am biased towards SK after watchin’ him here in London and I was so happy when he was up with the big boys) And then just watchin’ the count on the bench every game, I knew he was shady. What a donkey he is. I can’t believe how much of a negative impact he had on this organization in 2 years and we are still paying him for his destruction ? Uneffin-believable ? Fine, whatever, I’m over SK being gone for nothing (even though the majority of people here like to use SK as a scapegoat to defend that idiot who helped destroy our team-by calling him a brat although in Nashville he’s loved by the team and Trotz and is on the 1st line ?)

      What really chaps me is Captain Kirk. That guy is nothing but genuine class and you know he’s gonna win a cup again somewhere as a coach. Good things happen to good people (that’s why JM has never won a cup – bad karma – serves him right) and Captain Kirk is one of the good guys in my books (even though I don’t know him personally, I just sense it in his interviews and stuff)

      Honestly how did everything get so effed up with our team ? I just don’t get it ? If I could turn back time (like Cher) and I was the Goat I would have done everything in power to make sure and promise with my life that Captain Kirk was gonna be the next Head Coach. How can people in these decision making positions not see these things. What the eff do they do all day ? Like honestly, Randy over Kirk ? (and yes I realize the sequence of events and how everything went down with Muller goin’ to Carolina). But really, If those dummies running the team were really serious about winning, than Kirk woulda been the man to take over after that donkey JM.

      Sorry for my cynicism…I’m goin’ to get a drink and calm down now. Hopefully…….but this is gonna bug me for a while.

      Habs, OLE !

      • habstrinifan says:

        Thanks for this post. It made me feel better that there is someone who shares my concerns.
        Many posts are about trades and line combinations etc but I feel that I am like you.. keen to have the GM/COACH decisions made and frankly very worried if it would be a wise well thought-out one. I hope you were encouraged about the bit from Brian Wilde re how hard and comprehensive Geoff Molson is being.

        • Le Jadester says:

          Ya, my buddy who’s a big supporter too thinks Geoff Molson is very serious about winning and cares a lot. I question it a bit, but I don’t know $hit…..I just watch the games and read stuff.

          Either way, I like how he’s doing whatever he can to get this gong show back to a big show.

          I can be patient too, as long as there are good smart people to fix the horrendous mistakes we’ve made throughout the last couple of years. There’s just no way we should be last in the conference ? My expectation of the greatest hockey club of all time should be at least top 5 in the conference every year competing for a cup ? I don’t know how crazy that sounds, but that’s just me ?

          Habs, OLE !

      • Habmyster says:

        Ya we replaced the donkey JM.How well did that work out.Captain Kirk is & was a great hab but it does not mean he would be a great coach.There is no body of work just emotion.

        • Le Jadester says:

          Randy is a joker too. Not impressed with him at all.

          What happened to our PP once Captain Kirk left ?

          In fact, I would argue that everything went to $hit after Muller left.
          I’m betting that he had quite the positive impact on our team and players probably loved him (and yes I get the fact that he was an assistant and not the Head Coach where he probably had a better relationship with the guys).

          I see what you’re saying and I can appreciate that there are no guarentee’s that Muller would win a cup here…..but I would bet my last dollar that he would give us the best chance outta anybody else for the next 5 years ?

          Either way, his body of work in Carolina is quite good so far considering the circumstances. I also would bet that he would’ve done a way better job than donkey JM and Randy boy.

          Habs, OLE !

  30. Captain aHab says:

    Go Oilers, go! 2-1 in OT. Please make it so.

    —————-
    Avast, me proud beauty! Wanna know why my Roger is so Jolly?

  31. Ian Cobb says:

    Season tickets will be going for half price this year! (kidding) but I won’t be wasting my money.
    We will be in tough putting a decent product on the ice for the next couple of years.
    We had better get this draft year right!

    Junior play offs start tonight! now that’s good hockey!

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Oh Ian. I feel the same but come October I’m guessing we’ll all be fired up for a big comeback season. Its in our blood. Could be worse I suppose. We could be Leaf fans. Cheers.

  32. matt jordan says:

    Habs depth chart of drafted players (Players drafted by Timmins).

    LW- MaxPax, Akost, Higgins, Wyman
    C – Plekanec, Grabovski, Lapierre, White, Chipchura
    RW- S. Kostitsyn, D’Agostini, Leblanc

    Defense- Subban, McDonagh, Streit, Komisarek, Hainsey, Emelin, O’Byrne

    Goaltender- #1- Price, #2- Halak

    If the Canadiens had a policy of not allowing management to trade drafted players (haha, as if), they would have quite the team! If you add the salary cap of the players drafted here, you would barely make the salary cap floor. That includes ridiculous deals given to Hainsey and Komisarek.

    A few free agency signees for depth, you have a Stanley Cup Contender!

  33. avi says:

    Please fire Gauthier at the end of the year. If the Habs are this bad next year there will (I pray) be empty seats at Centre Bell. this is the only way Molson will finally make the tough decisions such as shipping Gomez and Kaberle to Hamilton. Trading Markov if he’s healthy for a player who can actually play more than a handful of games every two years. Trading Plekanec for as much as one can get.

    I do not suscribe to the notion that you have to go crazy in the free agency market. Shed some salary now and slowly build a team that can contend through a combination of free agency, trade, draft, and player development.

    In other words Molson needs to clean house up top. The next coach at this point is irrelvant.

  34. mike3131 says:

    We CAN contend NEXT YEAR! One can dream…

    It will be a loooooong shot but it can be done:

    - Dump Gomez
    - Dump/Trade Kaberle and Bourque for anything
    - Resign Price for 3+ years for no more than $5.75 M per
    - Resign Subban for no more than $4 M/yr
    - Resign Emelin for no more than $ 2 M/yr
    - Resign Eller for no more than $1.7 M/yr
    - Trade Plekanec + Weber (+ Whatever else it takes) to STL for David Backes

    Then, UFA signings:
    - Sign Parise for $7 M/yr to whatever term he wants
    - Sign Ryan Suter for no more than $7 M/yr
    - Sign Jarret Stoll for no more than $3.7 M/yr
    - Sign Corey Sarich for $3 M

    This would be my lineup:

    Parise – Backes – Gionta
    Max – DD – Cole
    ? (Moen/Cheap UFA like Pyatt) – Eller – Stoll
    ? – ? – ?

    Suter – PK
    Markov – Gorges
    Emelin – Sarich

    Carey
    Budaj

    That would leave us with approx $3 M in cap space to fill the ? with cheap UFAs or by resigning White/Darche/Staubitz/Blunden.

    I know I’m dreaming and someone like Timo or HF72 will have to wake me up, but you never know – The cap can increase (which it usually does), the new CBA can allow franchises to buy-out players without penalty… You never know ;)

    And did I mention we are going to draft in the top-5?

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      So, all the team has to do is snag the best center from the best team in the west, and sign the only superstar UFA forward and defense-man available. Also, trade 11 million in contracts (Gomez and Kaberle) with none coming back… Then, one must assume that DD, a player with one decent year can equal/build upon his most productive season in his career.

      I expect close to the same team next season, with maybe a couple of minor additions (bottom 6 forward and bottom pairing D). With a healthy lineup the Habs could challenge for the division.

      Like you said, you were dreaming. Your dream lineup is pretty sweet, Big center in Backes, 35+ goal scorer in Parise, 30+ in Patches, 25+ in Cole and Gionta, 15+ in DD and Eller. That is a ton of goals! Adding a huge amount of D awareness in Suter and Sarich (I’d rather Brian Allen, but whatever). Your lineup would have home ice in the first round, no doubt.

      • mike3131 says:

        It can be done! It’s not like there’s a rule that you can’t get the 2 best UFAs. The Heat got Lebron AND Bosh. We will have to bite the bullet re. Gomez, although Kaberle and Bourque might get us draft picks. And Backes isn’t Crosby! The Blues are what they are because they have 2 solid goalies (I am not a Halakite), an effective system, and a deep, balanced lineup of 6 potential 20 goal-scorers

        • Mr_MacDougall says:

          I’d much rather deal DD than Pleks (who hopefully swaps roles from number 2 to number 3 with Eller in a few seasons, provided the Habs acquire a true number one).

          • mike3131 says:

            DD is cheaper, and already established between Cole and Max. Pleks is effective defensively, but he MUST provide more consistent offense for the money he earns. IF we were to bring in Backes and Stoll, I think they would be pretty good replacements as defensive 2-way centres, no?

        • boing007 says:

          I bet most of you who like to put down Halak were screaming and yelling with joy when he and his teammates stonewalled the Caps and the Penguins in 2010. N’est-ce pas?

          Richard R

      • matt jordan says:

        Cory Sarich has been a healthy scratch 15-16 times in Calgary.

        Only take him if he’s signing for cheap.

    • Price07 says:

      Price for 3 years? Are you on crack?

    • boing007 says:

      What a dreamer.

      Richard R

    • Habmyster says:

      I like to date a center fold but that will not happen either.

  35. Bill says:

    I was just thinking. When Geoff Molson holds meetings of the Habs’ management, and they talk about revenues and expenses, and their options regarding payroll and such, and what they might have to do about Gomez and his salary … it must be pretty awkward for Bob Gainey to be there.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  36. HardHabits says:

    I get it. Rise Together was about ticket prices.

  37. habs17 says:

    Expectations are way to high on Eller, I will take 15 goals and 30 assists from him all the time. people overhyped him and he can not meet the expectations of some ppl.

    I SUPPORT (every1 knows who i support)

    • J_P says:

      Agreed. THe more I watch him play, the more my expectations is that of a third line center. If he becomes anything more, it would just be gravy.

      • shiram says:

        How did Plekanec and DD look at his age? He can still improve I say.

        RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

        • belko says:

          Good point, shiram.

          Plekanec is about 7 years older than Eller and Desharnais about 3 years, so let’s look back.

          Tomas Plekanec
          2005-06 Montreal NHL 67 9 20 29

          David Desharnais
          2009-10 Montreal NHL 6 0 1 1
          2009-10 Hamilton AHL 60 27 51 78

          For curiosity’s sake, here’s Eller’s AHL stats from the same year, where he’s 3 years DD’s junior:

          2009-10 Peoria AHL 70 18 39 57

          Tough to compare directly, lacking context (linemates, ice time, etc) but if your point is not to worry too much about Eller, then I’m on board with that.

          • Bill says:

            Tough to compare directly, but it’s clear that Eller in the AHL in 2009/10 was not too far behind Desharnais, despite Eller being three years younger and a rookie.

            Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Bill says:

        Right now he plays third-line minutes and puts up third-line numbers. He compares well to other third-line centres, even ones on good teams. He’s how old? 22?

        It’s not guaranteed, but if he’s playing top-six minutes in his prime, he might be putting up top six numbers.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Timo says:

        The more that Halak trade looks better and better.

  38. habfan53 says:

    RE:Gomez is this correct?
    Cap hit for next 2 years 7.3 mil per year
    If bought out you pay the player 50% of his actual salary in this case 5 million.
    Cap hit would be 3.65 per year over 4 years.
    If sent to Hamilton he is paid 5 million per year no cap hit.
    If he is sent to Hamilton and is called up he must clear waivers and the team will be hit with his cap hit salary(7.3)?
    If he is claimed the HABS would be hit for half the cap hit??

    Like the DODGERS “Wait till next year”

    • The Dude says:

      Molson is not gonna throw away 20 million on G-Love…..I am guaranteeing a G-Love return for 2012-13 wearing the C.H. ….Unless he is traded ,retires or goes missing on an Alaskan Bear hunt!

      • Mustang says:

        I posted this earlier and thought that it would be good to re-post it here.

        What is happening with Gomez? I have been away for a few days but just before I left, I saw a program on French TV stating that New Jersey was going to take Gomez back at the end of the season. They went on to say that he would then play out the rest of his career with the Devils. I think that it was Patrice Brisbois stating all of this but the way he was talking, it was just about a done-deal.

      • boing007 says:

        Or gets shot by mistake while Sarah Palin is hunting for wolves in her chopper.

        Richard R

    • J_P says:

      Cap geek has a buyout calculator. Its 2/3 of the remaining salary spread out over double the remaining years.

      TEXT CAP HIT BREAKDOWN (for copying and pasting)

      Scott Gomez buyout from CapGeek.com

      2012-13: $3,523,810
      2013-14: $4,523,810
      2014-15: $1,666,667
      2015-16: $1,666,667

      If we send him down to hamilton, the habs would still physically have to pay gomez $5.5 million next season, but he would not count against our cap at all. If we kept him in hamilton the following year, the habs would still have to pay him $4.5 million, but he once again wouldn’t count against the cap.

      To summarize: the buyout would save the franchise actual dollars, but there would still be a cap hit. Demoting him to the AHL would still cost the franchise all the dollars they owe him, but he wouldn’t count against the cap at all.

    • krob1000 says:

      There is a conventional buyout and there is a CBA buyout…..I think they buy him out and there is an amnesty period and there is no cap hit. If that does not happen there is also thepossibility the cap rises fairly significantly…perhaps he is tradeable given the real dollar savings of nearly 5 million dollars? not likely but a possibility. Then there is Europe or the AHL ..it happened to Huet, Redden, Souray,etc…also a possibility…the least liekly and beneficial scenario is the Habs paying his salary and taking the cap hit IMO.

  39. j0nHABS says:

    krob1000…
    your speculation for player contracts is a little whack. How is PK going to get paid 4 mil a season after this year? I think he is great and he did turn it on by the end of the season but this year was a step sideways for him from last year, in no way does he deserve 4 mil yet. He should sign for around 2-2.5 for the rest of his RFA and then sign the big bucks at around 4-5 mil.

    No way are we getting Price for less than 6 mil a season!

    • habfan53 says:

      The reason that PK will get 4 mil if not more is because owners the idiots that they are are giving Veterans like Kaberle 4 million, Wiz 5.5 million, Komisarek and Phaneuf 5 million, tell who would not want PK over these 4

      Like the DODGERS “Wait till next year”

      • j0nHABS says:

        yes but PK is a RFA for the next 2 years. If they didn’t give Price big money 2 years ago they aren’t going to do it with PK. Why would they? They can have the same guy for less for the next two years and then give him what he will be due!

        • habfan53 says:

          You don’t think someone might try to poach him and the Canadiens will be forced to pay a higher price??

          Like the DODGERS “Wait till next year”

          • j0nHABS says:

            I’m saying that they do the same thing they just did with price and that is sign him at a lower price until the end of his last year of RFA, which he will then still be an RFA and sign him for a longer contract.

          • J_P says:

            I dont see subban being an offer sheet target. For one, GM’s generally dont enjoy going that route. Two, the amount of money they would have to offer him for it not to be worth it for us to match would garner us some serious compensation.

        • J_P says:

          If doughty got $7M per season on a long-term deal, PK can easily get between $4M-$5M.

    • shiram says:

      He overpriced them to show that the Habs would have a good amount of cap space.

      RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

      • j0nHABS says:

        well what about Gomez? That contract still exists. If they buy him out then its almost 4 mil against the cap.

        • shiram says:

          So? Send him to Hamilton, Sweden or Lebanon for all I care… that way no cap hit.

          RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

          • j0nHABS says:

            no way Molson lets over 5 mil a season go to the dogs.

          • shiram says:

            You are getting ways away from the point he tried to make.
            Even with Gomez’s 7.whather cap hit, Krob’s number add up to about 60 millions, leaving some cap space.

            RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

          • j0nHABS says:

            I’m not away from the point, I’m arguing against it. If we keep the same players around the good core, which are the same players he had listed for next year the team is going to be awful again! The new GM is going to want to put a winner on the ice and that means new contracts and shedding old ones. The cap space will be a problem with player contracts like Gomez and Kaberle. The new GM is going to be hampered by the same problems that have hurt the team this year!

          • shiram says:

            Saying Molson would not eat Gomez’s contract is moving away from the point, and pure speculation as well.

            RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

          • j0nHABS says:

            His whole assessment of player contracts was speculation.
            why is my opinion all of sudden speculation?

          • shiram says:

            He is ballparking figures, you are outright saying something with no basis for your statement.

            RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

        • Mustang says:

          What is happening with Gomez? I have been away for a few days but just before I left, I saw a program on French TV stating that New Jersey was going to take Gomez back at the end of the season. They went on to say that he would then play out the rest of his career with the Devils. I think that it was Patrice Brisbois stating all of this but the way he was talking, it was just about a done-deal.

          • shiram says:

            Another rumour, that was denied by Gomez himself, Dave Stubbs asked him about it.

            RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

    • krob1000 says:

      If you read the rest of the posts I was using that whole thing as an illustration to show how we have lots of cap space…and I estimate that he gets around 3.5 million for 2 years. He has 2 seasons around 35-40 points and is the teams biggest minute eater, he is prone to mistakes and is young. I think if he were a vet with similar stats and icetime against top competition he gets 5 plus….given his age /contract status, his inexperience and the fact he does still make “rookie like” msitakes…I think 3.5 for 2 seasons is fair.

      Price….I sure hope we don’t give him 6 million because he has not earned that and Renen is only worth 7 and just becuase he plays most of the games whould not mean he gets 6 but will carry some weight I am sure. The fact he is a little older means he gets closer to what a vet would get who had proven something in meaningful hockey…Price is not yet that and has not played successfully and has only 1 really outstanding season stats wise in the NHL. This season he is an average starting goaltender statistically …. on last place team. He has the potential to be more and with a better team sure he would have great stats ..and then may be worth 6 million like a few goalies are (a few). I personally think if the Habs had a reasonable backup Price would have played far less games..but they are getting him experience for when it matters. I think strictly on performance he is worth about 4-4.5…..factor in the Montreal premium and 5 sounds reasonable….5.5 would be ok but I think paying him more than Gio or Pleks is not right at this stage.

      • j0nHABS says:

        No less than 6, watch.

      • j0nHABS says:

        And I didn’t say that I think PK is bad, I think he is going to be a powerhouse. he just isn’t there yet.
        The cap situation is not that great. The team was god awful this year and showed no signs of being able to compete. There needs to be big changes around the core which in only a handful of players. And if you haven’t noticed but montreal has to overpay players to come because of the Canadian tax issue and the fact that the city is a big market and not every player wants to play in that. Plus if players have families then there is the french factor, not everyone wants their kids to have to take that on.

      • mrhabby says:

        Prices ceiling is very high lots a growth , potential and would not be surprised that 6m range is offered.

        • Cal says:

          He is still RFA and has not won anything. 5 mill tops for 2 to 3. Anything more is insane, like Bryzgalov’s and Rinne’s contracts. Both have won SFA and got huge contracts. Same with Luongo’s brain-dead deal in Vancouver.

    • Malreg says:

      I would be shocked if PK signs for anything less than $3 million, even $3.5 million. If he does, he needs a new agent.

      Regardless of his struggles earlier this season, he is still the teams #1 defenseman, averages the most ice time on the team, plays the PP, PK, on the top pairing against the other teams best players. He had 14 goals and 24 assists last season for 38 points, and he currently has 7 goals and 26 assists this year. He also has 12 points in 21 playoff games.

      Does that sound like a $2 million defenseman to you?

      Some comparable 2nd contracts for defenseman around the league, and their stats:

      Alex Edler
      8g 12a in his first season
      10g 27a in his 2nd season
      Signed a 4 year $13 million deal ($3.25m/season)

      Tyler Myers
      11g 37a in his first season
      10g 27a in his 2nd season
      Signed a 7 year $38.5 million deal ($5.5m/season)

      Kris Letang
      6g 11a in his first season
      10g 23a in his 2nd season
      3g 24a in his 3rd season
      Signed a 4 year $14 million deal ($3.5m/season).

    • Bill says:

      I can’t understand the view that PK took “a step sideways” this season. Offensively, his numbers are about the same, and while it’s true that he had a slow start offensively, the addition of Kaberle (and now Markov) have provided him with a good partner on the PP, and the points have been coming ever since.

      Defensively, you cannot compare the Subban of last year and the Subban of this year. He is twice the player he was.

      He was an awesome rookie last year, but quite raw, and he ran around and made lots of mistakes. He was -8 on a pretty decent defensive team, and he was shielded by Martin from tough assignments.

      This year, he was forced into the role of #1 D as a sophomore. He has logged ridiculous minutes and the toughest assignments all year, and he has responded in a way I find incredibly impressive. There was a learning curve in October and November, but since December, to me, he has been amazing. The challenge he was given and his response are equally immense.

      So I would say PK Subban took a huge step forward this year, when we consider his total game. The Habs should not mess around with this guy: lock him up long-term at whatever the reasonable rate is for a #1 all-round D. Subban is the most important part of our youth core.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  40. SteverenO says:

    So in other words in exchange for an 18% chance to move from 2nd overall pick to first overall pick, the lottery creates a situation where the 29th place team has a 39% chance of dropping from the second overall to the third.

    I can envision many draft years (two almost equally skilled top picks and a huge drop off to the third best) highly rated prospects where it may not be worth the risk.

    Can a team decline to participate in the lottery?

    Steve O.

    • pmaraw says:

      so if we finish 3rd… do we have a better chance of bumping edmonton off of 2nd then maintaining 2nd if we get 2nd? cause i can totally see edmonton overtaking us in the standings
      kids got some shit to prove there

      • SteverenO says:

        No. Edmonton (assuming they come second has a better chance of picking third than they will of picking first. It they do end up picking third, we (the third worst team) would never pick second in front of them, although (if we “win” the lottery with our 14% chance) we may end up picking first .

        Similarly coming in 28th place should put us as third pick but in exchange for the 14.2% chance to move to first, we take a 10.9% risk of dropping to 4th.

        Definitely worth the risk inmost draft years. I believe its only the 29th place team that mathematically “suffers” from the lottery and then only when there are two clear cut “best” choices

        pretty confusing.

        Steve O.

        • krob1000 says:

          wouldn’t you still have a 29.7 percent chance of dropping to 4th? The 4 teams below can all win and move up as many as 5 spots and we would drop 1?

    • Phil C says:

      This year I have read that there is Yakupov, then everyone else, so the drop off comes after the first pick. So I think I would rather have a shot at Yakupov even if the Habs risk moving down a pick. Of course its hypothetical, I am pretty sure you cannot opt out of the draft lottery. Part of its design is so that the 30th place team does not automatically get the first pick.

  41. krob1000 says:

    The team is in great cap position (I am also only assuming the cap remains the same…it won’t)… approximately 12 million dollars to fill 2 top 9 spots, a tough dman (which would also likely mean the shedding of one or two of the included totals)

    Pleks(5)-Gio(5)-Bourque(3.4)
    dd(.85)-Cole(4.5)-pacioretty(1.7)
    Eller(1.7)-Leblanc(1.2)
    White(.8)

    Markov(5.75)-Emelin(2)
    Subban(4)-gorges(3.9)
    Kaberle(4.25)-Diaz(1)
    Weber(1)

    PRice (5)-Budaj (1.2)
    The grand total is around 52.3 million dollars…..we have tons of room..if we kept things pretty well as is and the cap remained the same

    • JoeC says:

      I hope we get Price for 5 and SUbban for 4 but i think there a tad low, unless they signed monster length contracts.

      • Willy says:

        Both are RFA’s. I think those totals look about right.

      • krob1000 says:

        I think we overvalue two guys who are very young, both had many ups and downs and paly prominant roles on a very bad team. Should Subban really earn more than any one of Kaberle, Gorges or Markov who are all vets and have proven much in the league? I know Kaberle is playing bad but that cotnract was signed when he was putting up better numbers than PK and he is a seasoned vet.
        Does Price really deserve any more than 4 million given the teams state right now? There is always the Montreal premium but I still say 5 is plenty on that front…I think paying him the same as Pleks and Gio is a good approach and noone should make more than Markov IMO.

        • shiram says:

          Price at 5 seems ok to me, PK at 4 seems high.

          RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

          • krob1000 says:

            I agree I was actually trying to overestimate to show how we are in a good position yet everyone acts as though the Habs are tight against the cap…I figure 3.5 is what PK should get myself at two eyars..7 mill total.

          • JoeC says:

            These contract lengths will put them into early UFA status, hence duration of contract becomes VERY important, neither will sign 1 years, and if im not mistaken, a 2 year either just beats UFA status or put Price into UFA status, so ya, that has to be factored into contract total.

        • habfan53 says:

          Actually Kaberle’s deal was signed last summer.
          I however do like the numbers IF Price and Subban even for 1 miilion more each that still leaves a lot of room a lot will depend on how they deal with Gomez’s remaining years

          Like the DODGERS “Wait till next year”

          • krob1000 says:

            But his stats were 47 and 49 points in his last 2 years, the season before that 31 points in 57 games, the 3 before that 53, 58 and 67. Pk’s is on pace for about 36 and got 38 last year..still short of Kaberle’s last two seasons and the pace of his last 6…Kaberle ‘s Montreal pace is actually better than Subban too. There is no question who is better defensively but one has serious tenure and that carries some weight.

        • mrhabby says:

          ” does price deserve more tha 4m”…….its his upside and great potential that teams pay for. i say yes he could get well beyond 4M.

      • j0nHABS says:

        If Habs end up with that same old D again next year we are dead meat! Markov, Emelin, Subban, and Gorges are the only ones worth keeping. Dump the other three and go gets us 2 solid shut down D men. Maybe keep Diaz for 7th.

        • krob1000 says:

          That wasn’t the point…it was jsut showing how much cap space we have…we need a minute eating, crease clering, protective SOB back there. One of Diaz/Weber will be around next year IMO though…maybe even both if they trade Kaberle for that rugged dman.

    • TomNickle says:

      A couple of weeks ago I thought that a cap freeze was possible. But the league has exponentially increased its revenue since the lockout and they’ve consistently risen.

      Revenues have gone up yet again and there’s no way in hell Donald Fehr will agree to a cap freeze or decrease. He will play hardball and force the Bored of Governors to strong arm financially weak ownership groups out in an effort to bring in owners who are okay with salaries rising for the future.

      • Cal says:

        The big difference this time will be the split between owners and players. Now, it’s about 57 to 43% favouring the players. That gap will close quite a bit I think.

      • krob1000 says:

        Every year around this time of year you hear what the cap is projected to be and every year so far they have been pretty darn close and the figures that we keep hearing this year are around 68 milion….which means even more room. I can see that being right and think 70 million may be a little steep …but if that were to become the case? does Gomez all of the suden actually become tradeable regardless of his paly?

        • athanor says:

          The trouble with that prediction is that it is pre-CBA. Several projections have the cap dropping once that is in place (to what, I can’t remember)

      • ABHabsfan says:

        I think the % of revenue number will go down as it is the highest among pro sports, 57% I think. If they reduce it to 52% or so but revenues also increase then the cap could go up. I think the owners are going to work that % from their angle and the players could give up some if they get some of the escrow payments back. A guy like Sidney Crosby currently pays about $800K per year to float the Coyotes. I think the players will give some % back to get their escrow $ back. Also the owners want that amnesty clause ( and Hab fans too) so the players will want somehting in return for that as well.
        That my view of it anyway

        “man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
        Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

    • ABHabsfan says:

      I like Matt Carle at around $4M and Parenteau also at $4M to fill a couple spots. Parenteau is having a good year, 68 points, the dude is going to get paid by someone. Only room for 1 of Diaz or Weber, not both

      “man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
      Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

    • j0nHABS says:

      If Habs end up with that same old D again next year we are dead meat! Markov, Emelin, Subban, and Gorges are the only ones worth keeping. Dump the other three and go gets us 2 solid shut down D men. Maybe keep Diaz for 7th.

    • mrhabby says:

      this seems to simple and logical..there are quite a few holes to fill not sure 12m will do it…..

      habs need a capologist.

    • flowerpower_74 says:

      What happened to Gomez?

      “I’m excited to make my debut with the team of my family. For now, I want to regain my confience with the Bulldogs before thinking about Montreal.” – BLAKE GEOFFRION

  42. Morenz7 says:

    For those below talking up Eric Staal, can I just ask: would we not then have the rough equivalent of last year’s Carolina Hurricanes, who fell short of the playoffs?

    -Staal & Cole
    -a very good goaltender (in Carolina’s case, Cam Ward)
    -two bona fide top-four defencemen (in Carolina last year, Corvo and Pitkanen)
    -one breakthrough youngster up font (Patches for us; Skinner for Carolina)
    -a patchwork of journeymen and role players who—despite their virtues—don’t seem to get the job done

    I like Staal. Really like him. I’m just not sure he’s our sword in the stone. I think the Habs have to take the longer view, and that means using that draft pick for a player that will be part of a core group they’ve only begun to assemble. It’s possible the player we get this spring will not be the Art Ross contender fans so badly want. But he might very well rise to the level of a Staal, for less money in the short term.

    At $8.2M, Staal is a player I’d grab if I thought the Canadiens were going to contend next year, or the year after. IMO, alas, that is not the case.

  43. JoeC says:

    There was a bit of a discussion on the %’s are used for the draft lottery, so thought i would explain it

    25.0% – 30
    18.8% – 29
    14.2% – 28
    10.7% – 27
    8.1% – 26
    6.2% – 25
    4.7% – 24
    3.6% – 23
    2.7% – 22
    2.1% – 21
    1.5% – 20
    1.1% – 19
    0.8% – 18
    0.5% – 17

    These are the positions the team finishs overall at the end of the season, BUT you can only move up 4 spots, which means you have to be in the bottom 5 to get first overall. Now factoring in that if ANY team but one of the bottom 5 win the draw, and there is only 1 draw, the overall odds for the bottom 5 are as follows,

    48.2% – 30
    18.8% – 29
    14.2% – 28
    10.7% – 27
    8.1% – 26

    Hope this clears up any questions on how the lottery draft works.

    • GrimJim says:

      For the short version, TSN’s draft lottery page…
      http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=11410

      EDIT: Joe, I do appreciate the full explanation you provided as well

      • JoeC says:

        I was just explaining how a bunch of teams are in the lottery, not just the bottom 5, and if a team comes up thats not in the bottom 5, its somewhat confusing unless you know the whole process.

        • GrimJim says:

          Which is where the entire confusion below stems from, differing frames of reference. My reply probably should ahve gone below. As I said in my edit, I do appreciate what you were trying to explain and waqsn’t trying to take away from your explanation

          • JoeC says:

            OH i know you wernt. Its just that people get so confused seeing different numbers and thinking thats it. Its very gray out there on how the draft works and not explained well enough.

    • j0nHABS says:

      you are right sir!

    • Habsolutely says:

      Colombus will get the #1 pick and most likely take Yakupov. If the Habs manage to get 2nd pick they would likely take Grigorenko, who will arrive at the Bell Center gift wrapped with Patrick Roy to coach him. I’d personally love to have two picks and get Grigorenko and then maybe one of the D-men like Trouba.

      • GrimJim says:

        So here’s a question, would you try to package the two 2nd rounders we have this year and get another first rounder, say one of Washington’s two first-round picks?

        • Habsolutely says:

          ya, thats what I was kinda thinking, put together an attractive package and aquire a second first round pick and draft two good players at the draft.

      • JoeC says:

        Edmonton will pick a defencemant this year. unless they really are stupid. so we could finish 3rd and still do well.

        • Habsolutely says:

          Edmonton won’t pick a D-man if they have the first or second pick. They will if they drop down to the 4th or 5th draft position.

          • JoeC says:

            they will trade down, there defence is friggin horrible.

          • Habsolutely says:

            ya, it would be smart of them to trade down if they have the 1 or 2 pick and they want a D-man.

          • JoeC says:

            I think its more NEED then want,they make our defence look like a stone wall compared to theres

          • Habsolutely says:

            I personally don’t see a scenario where Yakupov and Grigorenko don’t go 1 and 2. But that’s just me. Which players go 3-4-5, I have no idea. But it does look like Colombus is gonna be a lock for the 1st pick overall.

          • JoeC says:

            48% isnt a lock

          • Habsolutely says:

            no, but heavily favored odds for…
            so how many of the lottery balls does the 30th place team get..?

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Therefore Yakupov will likely NOT go to Columbus.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  44. habfan53 says:

    Watched both Rangers / Detroit and Canucks / Chicago games last night both were excellent games with good chances at both ends. I might even watch a playoff game this year.
    Keith SHOULD get 10 games will probably get 3. I can’t beleive he wasn’t thown out .

    Like the DODGERS “Wait till next year”

    • Feraco says:

      In defence of Keith, he took a pretty good lick from Sedin not to long before that. I was watching the game live and as soon as Keith got hit I said to myself that if that happened to me, I would have:

      a) crumbled to the ground

      b) dropped the gloves, have someone on the team drop the gloves, or finish “business” muself.

      And that is what Keith did…he took care of it himself. No enforcer needed, just a cheap shot to the head.

      I understand that it was dirty, late, interference, an elbow, all of the above, but you can’t throw a late hit to the head and not expect something in return.

      They should both be suspended. Suspensions should not be judged on injury or not it should be the act itself.

      Molson Ex mon ami

      • RGM says:

        Your defence of Keith is actually all the more damning of him. It turns it into a pre-meditated act of vengeance.

        ———————–
        GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
        “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

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  45. shiram says:

    #canucks Daniel Sedin have a concussion and should be out for a minimum of two weeks.

    Keith gets what, 5?

    RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

    • TomNickle says:

      Should get the same amount that Raffi Torres got for trying to kill Brent Seabrook.

      Or even the same amount that Mike Brown received for doing the very same thing to Keith himself.

  46. The Jackal says:

    Does anyone think it would be possible to trade our draft pick for Eric Staal? He is only 27, and is that elusive centre we have coveted. Is this possible and is it desired, or are we better off sticking with the draft pick?

    • TomNickle says:

      The Hurricanes would probably jump all over that. But here’s the not so big dilemma in my mind. With Edmonton likely getting the #2 overall pick, they SHOULD take Ryan Murray from Everett. They have no need for another elite offensive weapon. In my opinion, they either take Murray or trade out of the pick.

      If the Habs are drafting 3rd overall they should get one of Yakupov or Grigorenko.

      I don’t think an additional $8 million in cap hit and one of those two players is worth acquiring Eric Staal.

      But that’s just my opinion.

      • Malreg says:

        Yakupov will go first overall, regardless of who has the pick.

        Grigorenko is harder to predict… Some scouts consider him top 2, other scouts wouldn’t even take him in the top 10. He really scares me.

        • TomNickle says:

          Your first sentence says it all. The first pick is going to say everything. And the Jackets will only have a 25% chance of landing it.

          Who knows what will happen.

          • Malreg says:

            Doesn’t the last place team have close to a 50% chance of winning the lottery? 48% or something like that?

            I know that Montreal’s at 14.2% right now.

          • TomNickle says:

            25% is what I believe it is. I could be wrong. Maybe it’s a 25% better chance than the team in 2nd last.

            Either way it’s no lock that the Jackets are going to get the pick and with the injury history surrounding Yakupov and Galchenyuk, and Scott Howson calling the shots in Columbus, it’s also no lock that they make the right pick.

          • j0nHABS says:

            Malreg is right. The jackets would have like 48% chance of getting #1, Edmonton would have 18% and Habs would have like 14% if the season ended now.

      • The Jackal says:

        Good point about the cap hit, I didn’t know it was so high. Some have suggested a trade like this but for other players like Nash… I think Staal or a guy like that would be the most attractive option in that case, but then cap hit should be factored in.

        • TomNickle says:

          It really is a kicker. If you could acquire a young star who comes with a bonus cushion in addition to his cap hit you would be able to make a sound move.

          A really shrewd GM would speak with a team in between 5 and 10 about trading up for the #3 pick contingent on them taking Gomez and Kaberle back in such a deal.

          Something like Kaberle, Gomez and the #3 pick to the Islanders for Niederreiter, Hamonic and their #5 or #6 pick if it works out that way.

          • AH says:

            Good post…one of the best posts I’ve seen about how to get rid of both Gomez and Kaberle in a very sensible way..I’d do it.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Trading Gomez does one thing only: put $10M in Molson’s pockets.

            Because the alternative is to send him to Hamilton, lose his cap hit, and all that happens is the team has to fork out the remaining salary.

            And for the Isles, who are cash-strapped, getting two overpaid has-beens makes zero sense.


            Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

          • TomNickle says:

            Sorry to break it to you but Kaberle would be an immediate top pairing defenseman on that Islanders team.

            They tried to trade for Gomez at the deadline and he wouldn’t waive his NTC.

            Moving up 3 spots in this draft to get Grigorenko instead of a Forsberg, Faksa or Trouba is something 30 General Managers would dream of come June.

          • shiram says:

            Gomez to the Isles was a rumour, and it was dismissed quickly enough.

            RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

  47. shiram says:

    Last!

    RC : “Merci beaucoup.”

  48. SlovakHab says:

    Why would we trade our best player??

  49. slychard says:

    Gomez is 5.5 next year and 4.5 the last. cap hit is at 7 as you say… That was the first thing I looked at when Gainey made the mistake… I mean trade. Been counting down since. God I hope we unload him this summer. For anything. A supply of soda in the club house for half a season would suffice.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Kiss my hAbSS!!!

  50. Trisomy 21 says:

    Why fork over that much money for a crap player when you can just get 2 or 3 mediocre players for the same price? That’s what Dave Tallon did in FLA, rather than taking guys like Gomez. Some may have been overpaid but not nearly as bad as what Gomez is getting.

  51. rhino514 says:

    I don´t think Leblanc qualifies yet as part of the young core. I hope he does, but he is not a guarantee at this point to be even a good third liner. He needs to put on weight.
    I like Gallagher, but no way to tell yet if he can be successful at the nhl level either.
    Beaulieu is the only sure fire prospect they have right now.
    What I look forward to is who, among the numerous grade B prospects they have, will stand out by the 40 or 60 game mark of next season.

  52. Duracell3 says:

    This. These teams are going to probably hit the cap anyway, so why not just buy a real $5 million player.

  53. slychard says:

    Buy ‘em out????

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Kiss my hAbSS!!!


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