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Thursday 17 May 2012

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“It’s never easy to not win a hockey-crazed market like Montreal,” Josh Gorges said. “The expectations are that much greater.
True.
But the expectations of Canadiens fans are being readjusted with each loss.

AUDIO of Randy Cunneyworth

260 Comments

  1. Prairienewf says:

    AWESOME POSTS GUYS! Truly awesome. Nothing to add except “FAIL FOR NAIL”. Think Bruins a few years ago coming off a 50+ win season they tanked, sold Kessel and grabbed Seguin, etc, and look at them now. It’s tough on us true blue Mtl fans as Mtl isn B-town or hog town but its time to do this right once and for all. Get a bonified superstar to go with our ‘supporting staff’.

    FAIL FOR NAIL or Grig.

  2. habsmandes says:

    I think to want to trade Pleks is a huge error, he’s been good every year he’s been with us almost. He’s a sure value, he’s signed, and at a good cap rate, we don’t know what we are getting back form the draft even if it’s the 1st choice. I’ve seen way too many drafts when we had a good pick and got crap. Even AK should stay for another year, he said he’ll take less even. Give him the chance to prove himself, and if during the year he’s as saw toothed, when the time is right let him go. We don’t have a team to win next year and possibly not even the year after, but we’ve got a good core who will get better.
    Keep that good core. Offer Gill an assistant coach job, if you want to start him in the AHL fine. I think he feels his end approaching and would be wise to start his transition. Although I admire what Cunnyworth has tried to do with the boys, I think Robinson would be much better. He’s coached and played at every level in all circumstances. He’s played with some of the greatest players in the world, and coached a few, and he also has coached Gionta and Gomez before. He’s one of our glory boys. I don’t know why the team never gave him a chance, from what I had heard he was really interested in coaching in Montreal. I think once the season is done we should bring him in. i think we should talk to him right now about next year before anyone else has a chance.

    • Chris says:

      Larry Robinson has zero interest in being a head coach in any market at this point in his career due to health issues. He certainly isn’t going to come to Montreal for that role.

      Robinson, through his agent, expressed interest in an assistant coach position and/or a team ambassador. He was never interested in the head coaching position.

      As for talking to him right now, he is under contract until the summer with the New Jersey Devils. They would have to grant permission to talk to him, which they are unlikely to do mid-season. You can’t talk to another team’s personnel mid-season without permission or you get hit with tampering charges (typically fines, but as high as loss of draft picks).

    • RetroMikey says:

      Pleks is nothing more than a third line centre now, very overrated and after signing that big fat contract, he has not been the same player as in previous years, too fragile to play the big game in front of the net for a CMAn. Take the money and run as they say.
      Funny how we offer big fat contracts to players like Gio, Pleks, Gomer, etc…and their play has diminished.
      Cunneyworth stays with the club in my opinion, he is a good mentor and will make a fine coach, he’ll be better than a Robinson or Muller or GAetan Boucher everyone is harping on this site to be the next coach.
      Can’t say that for the rest of our team he has assembled.
      I’s start shopping everyone if I were PG, everyone!
      Even if Markov came back next season, do you all feel he will be that player he once was? I say no.
      Once Gionta comes back, I believe he should give up his “C” on our club and give it to Gorges, whose earned it on our club.
      And one last thought, what about those Maple Laffs, eh? No surprise on my end. A bunch of no namers who play hard every game and keep on hanging in there and just might make the playoffs while we are going to be bottom feeder cellar dwellers for a very long time. Shame on us where we could have been bigger years ago but chose the route of old firewagon hockey which is a thing of the past in today’s NHL.
      We should be ashamed with the team we have. The writing was on the wall seasons ago but many fans or even the media could not accept it and just hoped we would improve and do some damage in the playoffs.
      Tank I say! Tank!

      “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  3. twocents says:

    Look. I accept this season is done like everyone else here. And, that sucks. It’s disappointing. But, I don’t think major overhauls are required. This team has a very solid and broad base of young exciting talent. Sure, some players need to be moved. A few of these will be hard to move. But not impossible. The young core of this team is very good.

    More controversially, the management does not need to be overhauled. They are the ones that have assembled this good young core. What’s happened here is what many people have been asking for. The organization has decided to let the kids play and that comes with some transitional costs.

    It’s kind of funny when people say, we should bail on the vets, let the kids play and try to rebuild, but then scream bloody murder and call for heads when that’s exactly what happens. It kind of goes to prove the other side’s point that Montreal fans would never show patience for rebuild or transition years.

    I would have loved to see this young bunch make the playoffs and get some experience. But, this isn’t the end of the world, just the season. The pick we’ll get this year will look good too.

    Moreover, I like how Cunneyworth has handled himself and would welcome him back. Face it, despite all the losses this team has been competitive. The goal differential tells you they are better than the record and I really believe that’s a realistic reflection.

    I hate to accept the season is toast, but I don’t think RetroMikey and others like him have a handle on where this team is at. Let’s show some patience for once.

    I have a feeling some of the people who want to gut the team are the same people who point to what a great job Burke has done rebuilding in tarranna. Well, he missed the playoffs four years straight to get to the point of battling for eighth for crying out loud.

    • punkster says:

      I said it earlier in a different way. Pretty good basis for a team there. A few upgrades and trades could well see us considerably better next season. Patience is, indeed, a virtue. Panic only breeds confusion and indecision.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • AndyF says:

      I have to say that, while my general impression is that the Habs have a lot of dead wood in upper management, I agree that trade-for-trade the current decision-making has been positive.

      I really have no complaints about any of the trades this year. I almost can’t believe I’m saying this…

      But my feeling is that a lot of young talent has been wasted (SK74, Grabovsky, Tenders, Komy, Lapierre, Higgins, Ryder, Hainsey, McDonagh, etc…) through *extremely* poor player development. Gauthier sat through most of this as assistant-GM.

      So I guess I’m leaning more to rebuilding management, too.

      http://andyfroncioni.com

    • montreal ace says:

      Good post Two Cents, I hate it when they end a thread with no warning, and a post like yours gets lost in the shuffle.

    • Chris says:

      Great post, and I agree almost 100%.

      (I’m argumentative, so you will never get full agreement out of me, as you know!)

  4. kholdstare says:

    I didnt get a chance to watch the game, I was at my daughters ringette game, and it was awesome.. tie game against the best team in the league, with 10 seconds left we scored and I found myself cheering, and I also thought to myself wow I miss this feeling. The thing about our little ringette team is we dont have the best players, or even the skill to match theirs, they just sat in the room before the game and said we wont quit on one another and it made me remember someone.

    No offense to Josh Gorges cause god knows he is trying, but I miss Saku Koivu.

    Saku Koivu wouldnt stand for this team playing like that, and he wouldnt have to say anything. You would just see him give his all every shift and never quit. He made Brian Savage a power forward, he made Juha Lind look not to out of place, he made the mediocre around him better because he never quit. That is what I think is truly missing from the habs, there is zero leadership, there is no Saku Koivu. I truly beleive that this team is better than some of the teams he captained, but he managed to inspire everyone, its sad really he wouldve stayed for a fraction what gomez makes, well at least this never happened on his watch.

  5. 365fan says:

    Schultz with 2 points today for Hamilton. He is also plus 3 on a bad team. He should get a look with Montreal before the end of the season.

  6. AndyF says:

    The team does have some keepers and some trade-bait. Here’s my list.

    Keepers:
    Price, Plek, Subban, Gorges, Emelin, Diaz, Eller, DD, Cole, Pacioretty, LL, Bourque

    Must trades:
    AK, Gomez (as if…), Gionta, Campoli, Kaberle, Weber, Gill, Moen, Palushaj

    I would do everything to trade for draft picks or youth. Lots of them. Tinordi should season in the AHL for at least a year. Markov may or may not be back. LL should do one more year in the minors to make sure he learns all the skills. The NHL is not the place for that. Gallagher’s got 2 years in the minors.

    Cole, Gorges, and Pleks will lend stability and provide a work ethic as the youth develop. This will take us to 2014-2015 for a proper team.

    http://andyfroncioni.com

  7. ITS OVER, CAROLINA WON TONIGHT

    YOUR MONTREAL CANADIENS ARE DEAD LAST IN THE CONFERENCE

  8. ProHabs says:

    So this is what the Habs need to do. We all know that Montreal fans are not the most patient. There is no debating that. When the Habs end up with number 3 pick overall, are we going to be patient with a young player that makes mistakes and will take him 4-5 years to hit his stride. I doubt it.

    So the Habs need to trade the number 3 pick overall for Ryan Getzlaf. It is that simple. The Habs get their number 1 big center who is only 26 years old. Still many good years left in him and we don’t need to go through any growing pains with him. The Ducks are happy getting a young player who won’t cost them much in salary. Gomez goes to Hamilton to easily cover the cost of Getzlaf’s salary. And with one quick change like that, we change the whole outlook of the Habs starting next year, not waiting 5 years for an 18 year old to develop.

  9. CANES WIN!!

    WE ARE NOW 15TH PLACE WOOOOO

  10. Stev.R says:

    I think the pervading idea is that Montreal will draft Grigorenko or another center come draft day. If Grigorenko is not available, who would you pick? Gaunce? Faksa? Forsberg? Hertl? Or would you take a chance and pick Galchenyuk who is the biggest risk/reward in the draft.

  11. RetroMikey says:

    I am reading so many comments from our so called Habs fans on this site who now see the day of light where this pathetic one proud team is heading. Too little too late for this club.
    I’d start trading everyone on this club and if it means trading Price, so be it.
    This team ain’t going anywhere now or in the future if we don’t make major changes form the office, management, coaching, scouting and players staff although I believe Cunneyworth is a helluva coach.
    Dark years are coming Habs fans, accept it.
    RetroMikey said it here first years ago!
    Love me or hate me, I’m just telling the truth!
    Tank I say! Tank!

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  12. Mondou6 says:

    Random thoughts:

    1) Our ownership and front office are the main problem. A fish rots from its head, and our fish is rotten. As a fan of the NFL Redskins and MLB Mets, the Habs are a carbon copy of those two failed franchises. A rich, clueless, odd owner who hires all the wrong people, with predictably lousy results and a disgruntled fan base.

    2) I don’t think RC is ready to be an NHL coach. Yes, he got a raw deal with the “interim” tag, and the language fiasco. Regardless, we had better results under JM’s boring “system”. RC will work again, somewhere else, and it’s best for all involved. I don’t feel badly for him, it’s all business.

    3) Who should be the new GM/Coach? I have no idea. Which puts me in the same category as Molson, because he has no idea either.

    4) This trade deadline could be make or break for our franchise, so why is PG in charge of it? It’s obvious he’s failed, and it should be obvious that he’s going to be fired, so why the hell would you allow him to make any more roster moves?

    5) I don’t believe the players “aren’t trying”. I believe our players aren’t talented enough. Our players aren’t good. We imagine that our very few “good” players are Hall of Fame superstars, we imagine our “mediocre” players are good, and we imagine our “really bad” players are worthy of a roster spot. Buccigross gives a list of his top 100 NHL players on ESPN, and our leader is Price at #78. We don’t have a skater in the top 80 of NHL players. How can we compete like that??? Again: Our talent level is terrible. Our players are not nearly as talented as 90% of the other NHL teams.

    6) Markov? Can we please not even mention Markov’s name anymore? I hope he comes back. I hope he gets healthy. I don’t begrudge him getting his current contract. But talking about him “coming back” and being instrumental in our future is a crazy pipe dream. Until he’s playing 20+ minutes for 20 games in a row, I really don’t want to hear it anymore. He’s more likely to never play another NHL game at this point.

    7) Price and PK…We have 99 problems and they aren’t one. No, they aren’t saviors, or superstars, but they are more likely part of the solution than part of the problem. Even if they are better than average, that makes them better than 99% of our roster.

    That’s all I got! :)

    • billylove says:

      Good stuff. I also don’t buy the argument that this team is “talented.” The skill level is no better than middle of the pack at best.

    • Stev.R says:

      Let’s look at what PG has done:

      Traded Cammy for Bourque. Jury is still out on this one but reaction seems to be positive.

      Traded Spacek for Kaberle. Kaberle being our top scoring defenceman since he’s got here. His cap hit is 4.25 which is low and it’s ridiculous how people try to make it out to be killing our team. Also, if he plays well, he’s an easily movable asset. This trade is such a non-issue it’s amazing the reaction it got.

      Signed Cole. Best player this year.

      Claimed Betts. Would’ve been a solid pickup if he were not injured.

      Signed Woywitka. Would’ve been a solid pickup in NY hadn’t claimed him.

      Drafted Beualieu. A steal of a pick.

      Let Wiz go. Wiz sucks (deleted) this year.

      Traded SK74. The guy was such a cancer on this team and everyone wanted him gone.

      Traded O’Byrne. We got Bournival out of this deal. Solid trade.

      Traded for Wiz. Turned our PP around. Solid trade.

      Signed Markov for 3 years. Signed one of the best defensemen in the league who was homegrown for 3 years after the doctors said he’de be ready for the start of the season. Cap hit has not made any impact on our cap until he plays so we can’t determine whether it was a bad signing til he comes back and we see him play.

      Signed Campoli. Got a guy who arbitration would have said was worth 3m for 1.5. Brought in as a safety net in case young players couldn’t carry the weight. Unlucky he got hurt.

      Got Emelin over to America. Well done.

      Traded D’Agostini. Got Palushaj, one of our top prospects and got rid of another cancer in the room.

      Traded Halak. Price easily the better and younger goalie. And we got Eller out of it. May have been able to get more, but the longer that situation carried on that worse it would have been for the team.

      Fired JM. He fired him even though the only problem with his “system” is that the players stopped doing it in the third period. Nothing has changed since he’s left.

      Ya, it’s so obvious that he’s failed (/sarcasm)

      • Mondou6 says:

        Um, we’re in last place.

        You’re arguing that a guy who created a last place NHL team has done a great job, and deserves to stay.

        I’m confused by this.

        • Stev.R says:

          Reasons for last place:

          1. Injuries, second most in the league.
          2. Star players underperforming. Hindsight is 20-20 but nobody expected guys like Gio, Gomez, Cammy, Subban, Pleks at times to play so underwhelmingly. But PG isn’t the one who went out and got those guys.
          3. Developing youth. 8 guys in their first or second season.
          4. PP. PG has done basically anything he could to fix the PP and it’s not working. Hard to fault him on this one when last season our PP was so good. How could he expect it to fall of the edge like it has.

          Quit using one person as a scapegoat and think rationally for a second.

        • matt jordan says:

          As am I, very confused. He’s congratulating PG for trading D’Agostini, a twenty goal guy at the NHL level, for Palushaj, a twenty goal guy at the American League level. Good trade.

          • Stev.R says:

            You think D’Agostini was going to score 20 in Montreal. The guy put in 0 effort and was stirring up shit in the room. Good riddance.

      • powdered toastmann says:

        Goat for manager of the year…”Ya, it’s so obvious he’s failed (/sarcasm)”…Wow, (am I missing something??)…that said…

        Couldn’t agree more…we wouldn’t be in last place without him…serious contenders for the First Overall Pick…yeeeehaww

        Go Goat Go…(as far as possible and as soon as possible)…Gotta wonder where the team would be if those great moves hadn’t catapulted them into last place.

      • matt jordan says:

        The team is in last place. You’re right, PG is awesome.

    • fastfreddy says:

      MOLSON must replace PG immediately. Don’t let PG handle the trade deadline moves, get someone new to do so. With that, name a new GM right now, the sooner the better. This team needs a overhaul, only a handful of players should return next season. Markov? Unless the drs. can assure a 100% recovery, trade him. REBUILD the team. If they can get prospects and high draft picks, then trade most everybody on the team, (PRICE, SUBBAN,MAXPAC, ELLER, EMELIN, BOURQUE ) excluded. Trade COLE only if you get a really high draft pick or real prospect, no reaches. We may miss the playoffs again next year unless we make the right moves.

      • Stev.R says:

        The team IS in a rebuild!!!!!! Get a clue. 8 players in our lineup who are in their first or second full season in the NHL (not including Blunden, LL, Palushaj, Engvist).

        Don’t get your hopes up for a miracle on trade dead (a.k.a the most anticlimactic day of the year). If we do make any trades it’ll be maybe one or two small deals (Campoli for a third, Gill for an AHLer).

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Andrei Markov is not tradeable right now. Why you would bring that up is puzzling. If you want to question the decision to sign him rather than letting him walk away without compensation, go ahead and do so, and pat yourself on the back for having a crystal ball better than the Canadiens’ medical staff while you’re at it.

        I agree with your approach to keep the youngsters, and as much as I love Erik Cole, I’d trade him too if we got solid picks and prospects. The problem is he has a No Trade Clause in his contract, and we need some leadership on this team. A veteran like him will not be deadweight on a rebuilding team.

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    • HabFanSince72 says:

      “A rich, clueless, odd owner who hires all the wrong people,”

      Who did Molson hire?


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  13. Sportfan says:

    LOl in NHL 12 after my first season i did my draft and i got Yakupov in the 3rd round haha

  14. JayK-47 says:

    Habs need to cull the herd. Especially on defense. Who do they have? Markov, Emelin, Subban, Diaz, Weber, Gill, Gorges, Campoli, and Kaberle. 9 NHL or NHL-esque defenders. That’s got to be causing some trepidation in the room. Who’s going? Who’s staying? And than the Gomez Option? What the hell are these guys supposed to think? I’d be pissed and frustrated if I were one of them. I’ve been in the military, the energy industry and now the fire service and I can tell you, having dead weight around kills morale. The older guys fight and the rooks sense the wrong and they perform badly because of it. They have to clean house. Sooner is better, but this season is a wash.

  15. Fabio D says:

    You know…for a while there..I believed Gomez when he came out during camp and said he will be better this season after last years embarrassing play. What’s this years excuse and apology going to sound like?

    Well like Leaf fans have been saying for the longest time…”there’s always next year”.

  16. Go Carolina Go! Go Hurricanes Go!

    We want that last place in the conference! Man I am drooling over that 2nd overall pick right now.

  17. Trisomy 21 says:

    So if the Draft were today we’d be in the 4th position. But it’s not today, and Eberle, Hall and RNH are all back for Edmonton. Being in 3rd place (provided we finish there) we actually have a shot at the #1 pick by winning the lottery. Even so, it sounds like the top 4? guys are all pretty decent.

  18. Kings 1, Hurricanes 1 end of 2 periods

    If Carolina gets at least one point tonight, Canadiens will be dead last in their conference.

    Who would of thought this scenario last October at the start of the season

  19. billylove says:

    Well, we might as well have a good laugh about all of this because to take it seriously, especially at this point, would drive some of us completely over the edge! My local pool on Gomez scoring before the year is out is getting unmanageable. Too many are putting their action on no, he won’t. One guy asked about the odds against Gomez ever scoring again in a Habs uni. It’s out of control!

  20. j2w4habs25 says:

    I guess we are good for 2nd pick aye?? :) thats something good ahahaha

    Carey Price #31

  21. Ian Cobb says:

    Apple announced today that it has developed a breast implant that can store and play music to combat montreal hockey players.

    The Itit will cost from $400 – $599, depending on cup and speaker size.

    This is considered a major social breakthrough, because women are always complaining about hockey players staring at their breasts and not listening to them…..

  22. habstrinifan says:

    I had promised myself to stay away from posting. That way I ‘pretend’ to be ignoring this depressing season. But I cant help give my two cents worth in response to two ‘threads’.

    Among many good points poster Gumper makes is the one contained in the following paragraph which I quote from his post.

    “I don’t discern a big-league game plan here. The philosophy of “just get pucks to the net and hope for a bounce” was the one I employed when coaching house league hockey for my son’s team. That was partly because the kids couldn’t handle much else, and partly because I wan’t much of a coach. Since the Canadiens seemed to be able to handle a more sophisticated game plan from Jacques, that only leaves one possible conclusion. Sorry Randy.”

    Gumper, I totally agree with your point re the unimaginative approach to creating offense, although I disagree with you saying that JM had a more sophisticated approach (I think you are saying that).
    I am fed up with hearing Randy and before him JM talk about getting the ‘dirty goal.’ For once I would like to hear them talk about skillful offensive combinations with the third man skating at the precise speed and angle and timing to get a high quality well aimed ‘pull the trigger’ shot from a set-up pass rather than fire at the net and hope for a bounce or some scrum goal. It is of course important to get ‘dirty goals’ but they best come, usuall, in the dying stages of defensive confusion/fatigue created by true offensive zone puk kmovement. A team must be able to set up scoring chances from the scoring arc where well timed and well aimed shots are taken not in hurried panic but with polished alacrity.. not fire at the pile of bodies in front of the net and hope for a tip in or lucky bounce or screen … all the time. As an example of a real goal set-up see the goal scored by Kovalchuk against us few days ago

    Gumper Randy has brought nothing new to our offense except a little less passivity.

    The next threadwas whether Randy should be retained. Forget the guilt trip we all have based on his hiring situation and treatment by PG and Molson… Randy is not the man to coach this team next year even if he was perfectly bilingual.

    Well I shall go back and hide. I just dont understand this mess. Why is there NO ONE saying enough is enough and expurgating the obscene incompetence that is this team’s management…. RIGHT NOW! Everyone from the PG/JM coterie MUST GO! And yes that includes Randy and Gainey and anyone even remotely connected with that group.

    Why hath this evil befallen this beloved franchise?

  23. manu07 says:

    If I were RC I would cancel practices. No point at all. PG should just step down.

  24. durocher says:

    MaxPower-DD-Cole
    Bourque-Eller-LL
    Perezhogin-Bonk-Johnson
    Roberge-DiPietro-Ewen

  25. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Wow.

    That game really sucked. Everybody sucked tonight.

  26. Ian Cobb says:

    I would love to talk positive hockey on here with a lot of you, but I cannot even find a starting point.!

    Every player, coach, water boy and GM is not safe now! get ready for the big bang!


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