All hands were on deck as the Canadiens held a morning practice before chartering to Buffalo.
Tomas Keberle is still out with an upper-body injury.
Also missing: Scott Gomez, Brian Gionta, Travis Moen, Raphael Diaz and Mathieu Darche.
Randy Cunneyworth said 21 players would be available for the road trip.
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If anyone wants to see some greatness – especially those too young to remember 1993 – there is a torrent now on Demonoid called simply ’1993 NHL Playoffs’. It only Game 3 of the 1993 Montreal vs. Islanders series. This is Montreal’s record setting game, but I won’t say for what in case anyone doesn’t know…can’t wait to watch it again!
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Can you provide a link by any chance?
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What’s all this about parity?
The Central and Atlantic divisions own 8 of the top 10 spots, each having 4 teams in the top tier. These two divisions are thoroughly dominating the league, notwithstanding the Islanders and Blue Jackets.
It will be interesting to see if the Cup winner comes out of one of these two divisions.
Edit: Interesting enough, the other two teams rounding out the top 10 are last year’s Cup finalists.
Maybe the Islanders and the Blue Jackets are the reason the other teams are dominating these divisions. More games against crap opponents = more points. Remember a few years back when we went (I believe) 8 and 0 against the Bruins, and won the East? Our record other than against that team was playoff worthy, but not top-tier….
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Parity is only two teams having officially clinched a playoff spot with about 8-10 games left.
Would we win had we kept ____, would we have been better off had ___ not gone and signed in ____? Who cares? They aren’t on the team any more and probably won’t be again. I understand this has been a low year where many of us have focused on the bad but this is what we have to work with. I can’t stand all the “what ifs” on this site. Live in the moment and cheer for the damn team we love and hope for nothing but the best of the players instead of the “could have been” team you dreamed up in your head. It’s one thing wishing for a player on your team, it’s another to gripe and moan about the fact we don’t have former players that were given a chance and succeeded elsewhere. Yes, even Halak. It’s so easy to play the hindsight game.
There’s always hope, just follow Mattyleg’s footnote
I’m done bitching for tonight, getting sober.
So all the news is about Crosbys 4 assist tonight, but again, Malkin outplays Crosby, gets 2 goals 3 assists and is just a sub note.
Wow, just wow.
Malkin is amazing any everyone knows that..
Having said that, Corsby almost misses the whole season (played just 8 games prior this return) and comes back with 9 points in 4 games – and that is pretty freakin incredible.
ya, im guessing Pouliot woulda had 9 points if he played the spot in the lineup Crosby was, Malkin gets shit on by all the media when hes the reason the penguins are where they are.
Malkin gets shit on by all the media?
wtf?
Sorry, wrong way to phrase it ill admit it haha, Malkin will always be a subnote to Crosby when Crosby plays, hell, there are people that dont even realize that Crosby wasnt the MVP of the playoffs, it was Malkin, but Crybaby is always the headline.
Can’t disagree with that.
Personally, I think Malkin and Crosby are very close in terms of overall value to their team.
Having said that, I still do admire Crosby coming back and collecting points like crazy.
How does Malkin get shit on by all the media?
I just read an article this morning on Yahoo sports suggesting that Malkin should win the MVP… that’s not being shit on nor ignored…
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Pouliot would have gotten 9 points in 4 games playing mostly with Tyler Kennedy and Matt Cooke? Or Steve Sullivan and Pascal Dupuis? Ok…
Obviously Crosby will get all the attention. He’s Canada’s superstar and the face of the league, and just returned from an injury that had many people saying he should retire.
When Malkin wins the Hart this summer, which is voted by members of the media, will he still be shit on? TSN also mentioned Neal’s hat trick in their headline before Malkin’s 5 points…
Oh and without question Roy will blame Price publically over something and throw him under a bus. That’s a guarantee.
Maybe PK… but not a goalie, in Montreal. The irony would be priceless.
My choice for head coach is Kirk Muller (hope he’s learning French). Next, Guy Boucher even with his 1-3-1….. The last candidate I want is Roy, though I love the guy and his legendary career. He could bring too much drama.
Kirk would be my first choice as well, but he has spent how many years as a player and coach in Montreal and never learned French? I doubt he’s going to do it now, so he’s out of the question.
I’m not sold on Boucher. Most people that want him have no idea what kind of coach he is, or how boring the 1-3-1 really is. It makes Jacques Martin look like the guru of offensive pressure.
Brain Burke’s decision to hire Randy Carlyle as Leafs coach is one of the reason why, in todays NHL, the old method of GM’ing by gut-instinct is STOOOPID!
If yo sat 5 people around a table and show them the Leafs Roster and Carlyle’s personality as a coach.. at least 3 would say MISMATCH.
Burke will either have to fire Carlyle or rebuils his entire team. If Phaneuf for instance had had it with Sutter what made Burke think he would do well under Carlyle.
What makes it look even worse is that they have a great candidate coaching the Marlie’s, who they will most likely lose now.
I’m trying to catch up to the controversy (controversies) of the day.
I’m clearly on record as being in favour of Patrick Roy being the next coach of the Canadiens, despite some of the lucid objections brought forth by many. I heard him being interviewed on radio, from a link posted by Marc10, and he does sound mature and thoughtful, it’s worth a listen, and it’s certainly a change from the platitudes we hear from the current Canadiens régime.
http://www.985sports.ca/hockey/nouvelles/patrick-roy-dement-encore-les-rumeurs-132012.html
Especially if he’s surrounded with the right assistants (fingers crossed: Larry Robinson and Guy Carbonneau), I think he has the potential to transform our team from one that works very hard to avoid getting scored on and hopefully win to one that skates on to opposition rinks and engenders more of the respect and even fear of yesteryears.
Mostly positive comments about P.A. Parenteau and the possibility that he gets an offer from and eventually signs with the Canadiens, but some doubters and a little ridicule at he being the next francophone ‘saviour’ of the team. While this has been a tough season, there’s no need to get bitter. If we’re not there already.
Our team needs NHL talent, we are hard up to fill out a roster, we use AHL’ers who aren’t ready yet for the big leagues currently. If he joins the team, we have plugged a big huge hole, in that we have more scoring, talent, and we have bumped an AHL’er back down to the minors. We can never have too much talent, especially when you consider that injuries will perennially thin out the herd.
As far as his origins, they are noteworthy in that they give us a competitive advantage. He has a personal relationship with David Desharnais and claims he wants to play here. He might even take a hometown discount to do so. We have a few cards we can play here, one of them being a huge fanbase that churns out NHL’ers who have a soft spot for the team, let’s use this. This is the opposite situation of the case where we’d have to overpay Daniel Brière for him to come here, since he doesn’t value putting on the CH sweater.
In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. This generates more lifelong fans who will support the team, and more players who dream of making it to the NHL and wearing the bleu-blanc-rouge. In the salary-cap world we live in, this is an important strategic edge we have on the St-Louis Blues and the Florida Panthers. If Geoff Molson understands anything, it needs to be that there must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.
Having accepted that, we can begin to accept that signing Mr. Parenteau, or drafting local players and signing local free agents, and hiring homegrown coaches is not just a cynical pander to the unwashed masses, but a natural fit for this team and one that yields long-term dividends that are harder to quantify.
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Your posts are truly epic. They need to be scored! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBXGafftiX8&feature=related
The Power! The Passion! The Greatness! The Glory!!!
I think you dropped that action on me before. And I think that I replied that I have this song in my head when I enter the nightclub of my choice.
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No to Roy.It will become a circus.Because he is a hall of famer does not qualify him to coach.I will tell you now if they hire Roy,Price will be gone.
I’d rather become a circus than remain a shit show!
YES TO ROY!
Noticed on the high lights tonite Brian Burke was wearing the half-Burke knot as opposed to any Windsor variety. He certainly beats to his own rhythmically challenged drum.
Ryder and Ribiero combined for 2g, 4a for Dallas tonight.
There are several players that annoy me as ‘got aways’, but none more than those two. Ryder has 50+ points and 30+ goals this year. I’m not sure how many Ribiero has put in the net, but he has 41 assists…
They’d both be team-leading scorers on the Habs this year.
I do not miss Ribeiro, when he faked that injury then got up and winked/smiled etc. Was very embarrassing, Ryder I agree with.
It’s easy to see things differently in hindsight.
The fact is the Bruins ditched him too.
Many of the players we have let go are cases of players not being able to navigate the particularities of the Montreal market. Others have been player/coach mismatches.
The first situation is a burden no other team, beyond the loafs, has to deal with. The second is commonplace and happens all over the league.
Ryder was a mix of both, from what I understand.
Personally, I regret the Kostitsyns.
I wouldn’t say the Bruins ditched him, I think there were cheaper options.
Ribeiro I will never regret. He has continued to regularly dive and embarrass his team. I would probably be a tampa fan if he were still here.
That said, they got basically nothing back for him, as always.
I wonder how many people actually wanted to keep him at the time…
The brain surgeons in Montreal ran those two guys out of town. Who gives a shit if a guy parties if he can score? Never hurt freakin’ Lafleur. And, the bozos had a hummer for Ryder from the get-go. Screw this team. There is a reason why they can’t dent the twine!
Partying never hurt Guy Lafleur? What do you say about his last four or five seasons with the team? Were these worthy of a player of his talent?
I read a post today that again trots out the old trope that the Cabal of Ronald Corey, Serge Savard and Jacques Lemaire intentionally humiliated Guy by putting him on the fourth line and ‘force’ him to retire. This one really sticks in my craw.
If Guy Lafleur had abstained or at least moderated his drinking and smoking and other recreational substances, if he wasn’t out partying all night regularly, he would have eased off into the golden years of his career like Joe Sakic or Steve Yzerman did. The reason he ended up on the fourth line and eventually out of the league is of his own doing. He is the author of his own misery.
Is Guy Lafleur a tragic hero to some degree? Without a doubt. Was he a huge influence on me growing up, and the major reason we won four Stanley Cups in the late seventies? Again, indubitably. But was he forced out of the league by a sinister forces against which he was powerless? Yes, but only if you are referring to the scourge of addiction.
If Guy had still been potting 30-40 goals a season and was still one of the best skaters in the league, Jacques Lemaire would have been only too happy to play him relentlessly, and Serge Savard would have kept tacking on years to his contracts.
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What do you think of this lineup?
Robidas, Markov, McDonough, PK, Hainsey, O’Byrne, AK, SK, Grabovski,Ryder, Ribeiro, Koivu, Desharnais, Pacioretty, White, Pleks, Lapierre, Higgins, Price, Halak/Vokoun/Theo. Leblanc? Lats?
Would we be under the cap? Would we win the cup this year?Are all of them Timmins picks? Maybe we don’t need a GM? Maybe Timmins for GM?
What can i say – nothing better to do on a tues night but dream…
Markov, Robidas, Hainsey, Ryder, Riberio, Koivu, Pleks, Vokoun, Theo… all not Timmins picks, Higgins I am not so sure about either.
ERIK COLE!
This post looks eerily familiar.
I misspelled it the first time.
I got it right the next two times though.
Regardless of redundancy, do you agree?
Erik Cole!!!
Tell me about it.
He is awesomeness incarnate.
Dude has played every friggin’ game.
And every game hard.
And you know he was banged up badly in many of them.
He is such an amazing team player. Old school all the way.
The Hurricanes were fools to let him go.
Hurrah for Roy!
***Subbang Baby!!!***
What a collapse by the Leafs. They were outshot 34-14 by the lowly Isles tonight.
It would be amusing if they weren’t threatening our draft position.
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Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.
One of the bigger melt-downs I can remember. But you know, they were playing over their heads all season: so many guys on that team had crazy shooting percentages a couple months ago. They were getting lucky all over the place. I knew it would even out … I just didn’t think it would happen this fast or this emphatically!
Sadly, they can still beat the Habs, apparently. But yeah, they need to keep away from our pick!
Full Breezer 4 Life
Last game of the season should be a dandy.
lol
goal tending is their biggest issue. If they had price or a decent goalie they would be in the playoffs
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Their D is much worse than their G, IMO.
Full Breezer 4 Life
My biggest fear is the standings are so tight that we win a couple of games and move up a couple spots in the standings….that would make this whole shitty season even more painful. I don’t care about player pride…do what is best for the organization and the fans that you have dissapointed all season long. A couple wins don’t help the organization, they mean absolutely nothing
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Slam – I’m sure we’ve all got sucked in to doing something and that’s what happen to BG Sather Out smarted him probably still has a grin on his face. oh well it’ll soon be over hopefully it won’t happen again or has it. some bad moves made this year.
That Parenteau guy has some wheels. He’s no Cole but an improvement on most of who we have up front. Would be better to have Parise. Not likely to happen.
ERIC COLE!
ERIK COLE!
Good point!
I couldn’t agree more.
I sometimes refer to him as Erik M.F. Cole as well.
Holy Crap.
Shane Doan is going to be suspended.
Stuck his elbow out on Jamie Benn and caught him in the head.
Bad time to get a suspension, Mr. Captain.
I’ve been saaaaved!!
—Hope Springs Eternal—
That was one really dirty elbow.
F you shane doan…..why couldn’t you just wait a shift and make it steve ott?
Don’t blame Gomez – Blame the Dummy who took on his contract you would do the same as Gomez if you had the chance, I don’t appreciate his service but he’s no Dummy.
we blame him because he sucks , not because hes a dummy , and we blame the dummy who has kept him on the team
Bullshit. I certainly would not do the same as Gomez, and anyone who would should not be playing hockey. I’m not talking about the $7.3 million a year – I’d take that in a second – but the effort. If I was on the Montreal Canadiens for any amount of money I would play my ass off every shift. Gomez floats, and plays soft.
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Good to hear Molson has offered Roy the job. I guess he reads my posts
Go Habs Go!!
“Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock
Wait are you serious about that?
About which part? And no.
Go Habs Go!!
“Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock
Sidney Crosby 4 assists against the Jets through a period and a half…
Ring Ring hello Tim, this is Jesus calling. Yea, I think I want to go with Payton. Have a nice life and don’t call me I’ll call you.
Ring Ring hello Randy this is Jeasus calling. Yea, I want to go with a saint to coach the Canadiens. Have a nice life and don’t call me I’ll call you.
Visiting that Liquidaxion web site is like surfing in quicksand. Talk about way to not make a sale.
MONTREAL – Rumour mills are working overtime on what the Montreal Canadiens will do April 7 to generate interest in the franchise’s return to action next fall.
The once-proud entertainment giant has fallen out of favour in a season that started out offering hope of a great drama that was to be played out over more than 100 episodes. But the show failed to find its footing in the early going – its star was sidelined for months – and it turned into a sitcom and sometime farce that sank to the bottom of the ratings.
Now the show’s owners/producers/sponsors, Molson Bros, are faced with the monumental task of rekindling the interest of disillusioned fans, whose faith has been tested, as well as attracting new viewers. Speculation is running rampant that the Canadiens are working on a spellbinding ending when they host the Toronto Maple Leafs April 7.
“Trust me, this will be a production that will deflect attention away from the entire run of the Stanley Cup playoffs, and dominate water cooler talk and barroom chatter for the rest of the summer,” said a person involved in plans for drawing the curtain on the 2011-12 season.
Here are some of the cliffhanger endings popping up on TV fan sites:
Toward the end of the game the camera pans to the executive suite, where team president Geoff Molson is seen handing GM Pierre Gauthier a piece of paper. The scene ends with the camera zooming in on Gauthier’s eyes as he looks up from where he is seated. His face remains blank. The screen goes black.
Did PG get fired or a three-year extension?
The camera follows the team into the dressing room after another tough loss and scans the players’ faces, capturing a range of emotions – disgust, anger, resignation, bewilderment.
The door opens, and the players glance up. Profound shock overcomes them.
A second camera shows the visitor from in back, his face hidden from a view.
A familiar voice is heard to say: “Hello, gargons.”
The screen goes plaid.
Coach Randy Cunneyworth and his staff show up behind the bench dressed as the Men in Blue (a symbolic show of support for the team’s faithful followers who have been blue for most of the season); the players wear future jerseys (2025) that glow in the dark for the pre-game ceremonies when the Bell Centre’s lights are dimmed (the uniforms also subtly exude a customized scent that renders opponents mildly narcoleptic); management turns up the heat in the section where Burke watches from on high, forcing him to do a steady strip as the game progresses; the game ends in a tie as the referees rule a shootout won’t be necessary, saying: “Why bother?”; the crowd gives the Canadiens a standing ovation, and serenades them with numerous rousing choruses of “Ole, Ole” before heading outside for the tailgate party Molson’s is hosting, complete with free beer (Heineken).
The screen goes a-blaze.
Love the glowing future sweaters, haha
Full Breezer 4 Life
Nothing about one of the flag-bearing tykes who guard the Canadiens entrance at the start of the game suddenly wheeling and cracking one of the players in the head (or knee)? The tyke could laugh maniacally, with an oddly deep and mature voice. And suddenly escape the trappings of his costume and be revealed as an infinitely more menacing presence. But still no unobstructed view of his face, as the camera rises slowly to the ceiling, and the bleu-blanc-rouge jerseyed teammates surround the still unidentified fallen player, all of their nameplates and numbers hidden from us by the camera angle, as the scene fades to black.
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the only thing that would make the horror of not making the playoff’s better is if the turds went on a losing streak and were bounced from the playoff’s…it could happen,,
http://www.yourcanadiens.info/2012/03/habs-top-10-prospects-march-2012.html
Another Hab bloggers take on the top ten prospects.
Hoping Isles-Leafs goes to OT.
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I wouldn’t spend ONE red cent against the cap for Gomez…either send him to Hamilton or Siberia.
Im all for the buyout. He would be gone gone gone, and we wouldnt have to think about him ever again except when we add up the cap, but that would still be less than what we pay him now.
“I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the rocket!”
Air Canada Center has the energy tonight of my favorite fishing spot at 6 in the
Morning.
Pens and Jets exchange early first period goals. Tied at 1.
Jets up 2 – 1
Tied 2-2
Yeah that turned into a rout fast.
Out of curiosity I was looking at who is the head coach for the French (Europe’s France) national team and his name is Dave Henderson. He’s a Franco Manitoban but played his entire career in Amiens, France.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Henderson
Then I stumbled upon the current coach for Amiens, Heikki Leime, a Finnish who played for Montreal Juniors (for 5 games though) in 1979, a couple of seasons in the AHL, and most of his career as a member of TPS Turku, Saku Koivu’s hometown team.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heikki_Leime
Now, I’m not advocating these 2 gentlemen as candidate for Habs head coach, although they both speak French (of the European accent), and one of them had some Montreal connections. Just throwing some ideas around. But wouldn’t it be nice and cool if some kind of scout be dispatched to check out potential French speaking coaches outside Quebec and may find some hidden gems à la Mark Streit?
Then I came across this article:
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2010/05/11/sp-adams-coaches.html
that explains why there’s a lack of European coaches in the NHL. It also mentioned Russian head coach Vyacheslav Bykov as a potential fit for the Habs since he’s fluent in French.
So I guess unless management really thinks outside the box, we’ll be seeing the same local French speaking candidates for head coaches. Not saying these Euro guys may be better, but since we’re already limiting our choices because of the language issue, why not try something new?
I remember Vyacheslav Bykov being touted a few years ago. I don’t think his coaching style fit with what Bob Gainey (ex Hab player) was looking for back then.
Funny how Ken Hitchcock was the coach for the Dallas Stars, managed by Bob Gainey(ex Hab player), that went to the final two years in a row winning the Cup the 1st time in. Odd isn’t it how it was the Devils that beat them the following year with you guessed it Larry Robinson (ex Hab player) as coach. Defensive systems. Ken Hitchcock has the team in St. Louis. Ken Hitchcock might be the only repeater since Scotty Bowman (ex Hab coach).
My how the Habs plot thickens. It’s like the alumni have their paws all over the Cup except back home where it all started. I guess as Habs fans we can be content with being the league’s farm club for players and personnel.
Whoever comes in I hope it is done with forethought and not in haste and that the mandate is 5 years with a re-assessment of renewal or termination at that juncture. No more mid-season firings. Come up with a plan and stick with it.
I can even live with Bob Gainey and Pierre Gauthier for another 5 years if they were intent on looking at their strengths and building from there and by that I mean drafting. If they are determined however to perpetuate the everything all in now approach and want to continue with the talent fire sales and acquisition of more lengthy contracts from ageing veterans, then I’d say time for renewal at the GM and advisory level but hopefully retain Trevor Timmins.
I would really love to see some fresh blood running the show BUT I don’t have a vote like most here at HIO seem to (sigh)
HH, you make the fade for a clean slate with your final paragraph. Like HabFab, I don’t hold a vote but if I did i’d donate to Frank.
Buy off Gomez’s contract? Are you kidding me? Anyone else read this? He IMO has lost all credibility to be in the NHL. Go back to mosse country and skate on the ponds! You suck Scotty!
Mosse?
Moss?
Moose?
***Subbang Baby!!!***
lol
All of the above as far as I’m concerned.
Ooops, yeah you know what I meant!
Mousse. Mmmmm, chocolate…. I’ll be back.
G-Love is a mouse! Lets sweep him out of the house ….
Mooseburger country. Just ask Sarah Palin for the recipe.
Richard R
I knew there was a Palin joke in there somewhere.
im waiting for the ” GOMEZ NO LONGER A HAB ” article before i waste anytime on him
This may be old news but I copied part of an article (see below) from the website http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com.
“According to TVA Sport analyst and former Montreal defenseman Patrice Brisebois, the Canadiens may soon be parting ways with center Scott Gomez.
On Monday night, Brisebois reported that Gomez informed acquaintances he’s expecting the Habs to buy out the remainder of his deal at season’s end.
Given that Gomez 1) has two years left with an annual cap hit of $7.36 million and 2) is over the age of 26, Montreal would assume his cap hit over a period of four years (twice the remaining length of the contract.)…..”
Send him to the Minors
If his No Trade Clause contains a No Movement Clause, he cannot be sent to the minors.
Can only find a NTC with Gomez picking 3 teams he will not agree to.
dont think it does
You guys are right. Just checked http://www.thefourthperiod.com/trade_deadline/notrades.html
So does that mean he’ll have to be placed on waiver before being called back up from the minors?
Would have to clear waivers to go down and re-entry waivers to be called back up.
Correct LC. If sent to the minors it costs 10 million over two years but no cap hit. If he is called up he would have to pass waivers.
A buy out cost 6.66 million over 4 years but takes away 11+ million of cap space over 4 years.
I have stated that I would prefer the burying. I think the Habs will go for the buyout. In retrospect I tend to agree.
That would be unless Gomez wants to go to the minors and captain the Bulldogs. With Darche along side of him they could really mentor the kids. But that’s crazy talk like in a movie or something. Stuff like that doesn’t happen in real life.
I’m hoping (praying actually) that situations such as this get addressed in the upcoming CBA. Iknow its the team’s stupidity that got them into trouble in the first place but their stupidity has actually shackelled them from moving forward for another 4 years. What fan base would stand by and support this kind of crap? Oh yes..I forgot the Leafs have been doing this for 45 years. As a Canadian hockey fan I’m disgusted that the two biggest Canadian markets cannot produce any better entertainment than what we’ve been witnessing. This is no good for the Canadian market.
I would like to see Patrick Roy as HC of the Habs next season..but ONLY if Mario Tremblay is one of his assistants. The entertainment value of watching those 2 behind the bench would be priceless.
May we see the first ever in game fight between to coaches of the same team in NHL history?
Now that would be some drama.
Odd’s on who would win?
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
Precisely what this team needs: more practice!
feeling really bad for RC , the guy has done nothing wrong but try to become a coach only to get thrown in the fire when he finnally gets what he wants , and he has already been replaced. why not just wait until the end of the year to fire JM in that case. Do the habs move him somewhere else like JM , so now they work side by side. Mr Molson if true and he signed ROY , well PG has to be gone or why would he not have done it. i am almost embarressed to be a fan , not because they are stinking it up ( cause i’ll be at the last game ) , but because the way they have dealt with every situation to arise. i think RC can be a good coach , i dont think it will be here though , Mr Molson and PG took any respect he had earned up until he was promoted , go figure
thanks
I’m not sure it’s 100% decided RC will be fired at the end of the year. I still don’t see why the guy the have been calling INTERIM head coach since the beginning can’t simply return to being an assistant coach. Also, where have all these rumours about Roy being signed coming from? And we all know Martin (who I still don’t think really deserved to be fired at all, had to go simply because the ignorant over-emotional fans pushed him out.
Would you return to being an assistant in Montreal if you’ll never be the head coach? I think they did RC a favour by giving him this sinking ship.. he should be able to secure a job easily in the NHL, either as an assistant or coach.
did you fill his Rosetta Stone order , until he learns french he is not qualified , thats why it is interm
Summer courses at Berlitz. Done.
Richard R
Agree with you. Read my post below regarding RC.
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
heading down
well i just read all you r recent posts ,
bourque , ill agree is a slacker , he wouldnt last a day with Roy
and it’s now a given he is being told who to play , campoli is another one i will never understand , now i would rather see weber than him ,
also , like your avatar
Yes the “Ice Girls” are an improvement of my previous avatar.
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
I agree with you, if the on ice product sucked, I’m ok with that, there’s always next year but if the whole front office is dysfunctional and we’re becoming the joke of the league, that’s another story.
Also, I think it’s harder for RC to coach and demand accountability and respect from his players when they know he won’t be there by the end of the year. A lot harder to go all out impressing a coach you know you’ll outlast. Regardless of PG and Molson’s plan, that news should have NEVER gotten out and when it did, they should have vehemently denied it.
the problem with dening it , is you you need to talk to someone , PG is just a clown and GM , uses twitter , what a loser
but your right for a team with so many secrects why cant they seem to keep one anymore
Roy’s temper is not the biggest concern, it’s his lack of professional coaching experience. The CHL is still considered an amateur league. He is coaching boys which requires different skills then dealing with men in a pro league. Roy needs to learn his craft in the AHL or even the ECHL before even being considered for an NHL job. At a minimum he needs to be an assistant in the NHL first.
The Habs don’t need to hire a former NHL coach, but I believe they need to hire one with pro-coaching experience. If Roy wants the job, he needs to improve his coaching resume like Kirk Muller and Guy Boucher did. You can ruin a coach just like a player by bringing him to the big show too soon.
Look no further than Dale Hunter in Washington.
If they hire Roy he will become the face of the club like Burke in Toronto.The coach should not be the front & center of the club should be the players.
The Hockey News article on Hab prospects;
http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=636622TheHockeyNewsFutureWatch2012MontrealCanadien.jpg
28th ranked in prospects. The NHL team is 28th. The AHL team is pretty much around 28th too. And people think the Habs are a few pieces away.
The Habs are not in a rebuild. That would preclude a build. The Habs are just getting out of the shovel turning over the soil ceremony phase.
Man has this team sunk. Tank™ is fully loaded and charged, for a few years it seems.
Thankfully you have the answers, I haven’t seen them but I assume you have them.
Shucks and I had my antitank speech ready with references to mediocracy and man’s greater purpose etc.
Oh, now…don’t get him started.
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I left the site. Unfortunately I think I’m addicted and returned. Glad I did to see my old friends.
Christian seems to be recovering from his addiction
They Call Me Shane
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I thought you two were drinking buddies. And you are correct in that our boy knows shit. He is especially good at stirring it and better at shoveling it
Remember, Shane. We are the delusional ones. You know, the ones that actually support the team?
I think, too, that when he’s off his meds he goes a little nuts. Then he takes his meds and remains that way.
Didn’t you know? The habs are 6 or 7 pieces away from being contenders or just halak.Cause apparently the habs are filled with holes but those holes would vanish had we kept halak or so they halakites said,or was it the boucherites? Funny how those boucherites disappeared this year,just like the halakites did last year.So who disappears next year?
Who knows? Maybe the tankers will have another parade.
The issue focused mainly on first round picks and and AHL teams. Considering we only have 1 first round pick playing for a admittedly weak AHL team (all our prospects are in the NHL), and THN completely ignored Jr prospects, it’s easy to see why this issue is so wrong. Don’t believe everything you read!
Not to mention Edmonton is probably closer to 28th in the league for prospects than we are and they were ranked first!
Our prospects are somewhat weak, not so much by talent but by being higher draft picks. We have as many prospects as others but theirs are 1st or 2nd picks and we have to rely on Timmins to score in the 4th and 5th rounds or FA’s. Too many lower round picks traded away over the past 5 years.
Or higher if your mind works that way…
Speaking of shovelling and stirring. Wasn’t that the Centennial?
That was glitter not ka-ca!
Glitter it was. And after scratching beneath the surface Habs fans realized they’ve been left with a polished turd.
So Graham James gets all of 2 more years, guy is an absolute piece of a garbage a maggot no better, unbelievable. We think here in the Western world we are so ahead of the rest of the world. I can’t believe this bag of crap still walks never mind in 2 more years he will walk free again.
Our Criminal Justice System is a joke.
“Our Criminal Justice System is a joke.”
It is. It’s deplorable that this man will be free in the society in no more than 2 years. Makes you wonder what one has to do to get a real sentence. This Justice System just has zero credibility.
If there is any justice in the world, it will be received after he enters the general population of whatever prison will take him. Let’s hope this sorts itself out.
“man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh
Pretty sad that we expect our convicted felons to provide these scum balls justice.
Disgusting how weak our justice system.
theres a raffle oing on right now , for first shot
The a-holes here in Canada protected Clifford Olson, ffs. What do you expect from such a “criminals rights first” country. Pathetic.
Sure hope the boys inside the PEN take care of business! Only way he should come out is in a Box.
It’s time for Canadians to decide in a referendum whether or not capital punishment should be re-instated. Recent high profile murder cases in this country has made this an issue.
Whenever that comes up I have to say David Milgaard and Guy Paul Morin. Look them up. Policemen with a bone to pick can be very dangerous.
And Donald Marshall.
Full Breezer 4 Life
DNA testing was in its infancy and not readily available when Morin was initially tried for this crime. As a matter of fact, it was DNA that eventually exonerated him. The point of the matter is, because of the continuous evolvement and advancement in sciences such as forensic pathology, the likelihood of an innocent person being convicted of a crime of this nature is significantly smaller than it was years ago.
I understand that in most murder cases there is no usable DNA evidence, so most such trials still rely on traditional evidence. So I wouldn’t be too sure.
Full Breezer 4 Life
I see with all the post on here today Geoff Molson is looking a lot like Ballard 2.0. I would think Roy would want to be part of the new Quebec city team but he does have a huge ego and if BG or the goat is part of this team after this season Molson is just going to run this team like the Laffs when Ballard had his hands on them.
a team that hires a coach before it picks a gm is idiotic. a gm will want to have “his” guy in there.
Correct. Hence, the speculation that Molson has offered the job to Patty Roy also may infer that Molson intends to keep PG on board.
OMG, if this true we are so screwed. Next coming of the leafs.
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
The Habs already are the Leafs of the JFJ era. They have so many things in common.
-They are in last place
-They have brutal long term contracts to average players
-Kaberle
Oh well, at least the Habs have their first round picks. I wonder if next season is 100% dependant on Markov’s knee, just like this one was.
Or his choice for GM is on board with Roy as well.
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“It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
exactly. he may have already discussed hiring Roy as coach with Julien Brisebois if he has offered him the GM position.
It is funny to read all the comments against Roy, and that he is hot headed, looses his cool and flips outs, but why does everyone assume that he won’t change if he gets a head coaching job in the NHL? Just because he does that stuff in Junior doesn’t mean he will do it in the NHL. Also, just because he has never coached in the AHL doesn’t mean he won’t be successful in the NHL, look at Randy Cunnyworth, he coached a lot of years in the AHL, but it is not translating into any kind of success at the NHL level. I have also heard a lot of people point to Dale Hunter as a perfect example that Junior coaches don’t make successful NHL coaches, but I have a gut feeling that Washington might surprise everyone in the playoffs and win a couple of rounds. So, just saying that we don’t really know if Roy could be a successful NHL coach if he gets a job this year, he might actually surprise quit a few people.
Loosely related topic to “Inexperienced Coaches.” Another major gaffe Coach Mario Tremblay made was banishing a young Donald Brashear, thus losing the team its best enforcer since Larry Robinson (who seldom fought ’cause he didn’t hafta).
“May you live in interesting times.”
excellent point – Brash went on to play over 1000 NHL games and was a half decent player for most of his career, plus one of the top rated enforcers of his era…Tremblay is a clown.
And a raciest!
You can’t really say that RC success in the AHL doesn’t seem to be translating into success in the NHL. Its too early to tell. Same goes for Dale Hunter. His team is lacking. Backstrom will of course change that team, and it will have nothing to do with Dale Hunter.
Roy is a hot head. He has been involved in some fairly crazy drama. As owner, GM, and Coach, this tells me pretty much how his NHL coaching will go.
That doesn’t necessarily mean he won’t be successful either. I think that given all the seasons we have seen without decent success, having rookie coaches, and insane injuries that we should try and get someone who isn’t such a huge question mark. Someone who will put the team first. Someone with the experience to right the ship and a level head in order to deal with all the chaos that’s Montreal Canadiens Hockey.
I understand your point of view, and I am not advocating the Habs hire Roy, but there aren’t any really standout coaching candidates out there. There is no Babcock, Hithcock, or any other available coach that really excites me. So if the Habs do hire Roy, it won’t bother me. Also, for the longest time, all I kept hearing and reading was how boring JM was and that he showed no emotion behind the bench, with Roy that will not be a problem!!!
“It is funny to read all the comments against Roy, and that he is hot headed, looses his cool and flips outs”
It’s funny because it’s true, as the old expression goes. But the point is, all that stuff IS true.
“but why does everyone assume that he won’t change if he gets a head coaching job in the NHL? Just because he does that stuff in Junior doesn’t mean he will do it in the NHL.”
Any good psychologist, cop, or school-teacher can tell you that the BEST predictor of future behaviour is always past behaviour. The fact that he has behaved that way in Junior does, in fact, mean that he will do it in the NHL. Barring some kind of lobotomy procedure I guess.
“Also, just because he has never coached in the AHL doesn’t mean he won’t be successful in the NHL”
Doesn’t mean it’s impossible, I guess, but most successful NHL coaches have some pro experience first. You didn’t provide an exception (because there aren’t many) but actually one good exception to the rule was Carbo. I thought he was a good coach. But perhaps his firing – said to be related to communication issues with the team – was related to his lack of experience dealing with pro players as a coach?
Your “gut feeling” that the Caps will win two rounds doesn’t make Hunter a successful coach. You’ll have to wait until he actually does that.
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I’ll take Roy’s hot headedness over Martin and Gainey’s complete lack of emotion.
So, you actually want a guy whose only coaching experience is with an amateur team that he owns to run your favourite NHL team?
If Roy had never played for the Habs, his name would certainly not be brought forth as a candidate. There’s a red-flag truth.
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Really, we need Mario Tremblay again. I’m afraid that’s what we’d get with Saint Patrick. Lots of passion.
He won a championship with the Remparts, and was the fastest coach to reach 250 wins and had 3rd or 4th best all time winning % in the Q.
Might be worth a shot if you get him a Larry Robinson type assistant
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He makes a good argument, there is hotheadedness offered afterall! What more do you want, that is a great quality.
I hope you enjoy having the 1st pick next year .We saw what happened last time we hired a former player from the past with EMOTION no NHL professional coaching.That worked out well!!!!
“…the BEST predictor of future behaviour is always past behaviour.”
Uhmm…is there any other possible predictor of behavior than past behavior? I mean, what are the alternatives?
1.] If the future were accessible (which it isn’t) it would be observation not prediction.
2.] The present must mean “an action right now”: an action which we can only rationalise by comparing it to the past.
Thus, the past is the only empirical ground for making any statement about anything. (Thus ‘futurism’ is a risible fallacy: the only non-magical futurist is someone who studies the past, i.e. the only credible futurist is a schoalrly historian.)
There are certainly other POSSIBLE predictors of human behaviour, just not good ones. I could predict how someone will behave based on a theoretical model.
But I wouldn’t buy it. And all I’m saying is that the way people have acted in the past is a pretty good indicator of how they’ll act from now on. The OP said he believed Roy’s behaviour would suddenly change.
If you REALLY want to get into it, you’re talking about the “past”, “present”, and “future” as if that were what time actually is, when actually those terms only relate to the crude, linear, human concept of “time”.
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Does anyone have the word on this, Scott Gomez is expecting a buy out from the Canadiens:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/scott-gomez-expecting-canadiens-buyout-return-devils-160146611.html
Well it the Canadiens can’t trade him, or don’t want to put him in the minors…
It’s a rumour, take it as such.
With an upcoming CBA, it might do good to wait untill the dust as settled to make such moves.
RC : “Merci beaucoup.”
Dave Stubbs @habsinsideout1
#Habs Gomez tells me buyout / #NJDevils is news to him: “I’m just trying to get healthy & get back. Buyout’s never been brought up”
Don’t know who tells the truth, but like others stated, a buyout wouldn’t be to anyone’s advantage.
Good on Stubbs, always checking the rumours with Gomez himself.
RC : “Merci beaucoup.”
thanks for the tweet relay.
I’d actually prefer the buyout to watching Gomez disgrace the colours of the Canadiens again.
Hmm, I’m think along the lines of “smoke … fire”.
Also he just says it hasn’t been “brought up”, but the report was that he “expected it”.
Full Breezer 4 Life
True. I was just pointing out another side of this “story”. I’m thinking the same way as you are, I know some media are good to make stories up, but I think there might be some truth to that.
Rumour with a grain of salt. I thought the Gomez signing was a mistake and I think they have to be planning on dealing with this in the off season but an early buyout seems the least likely outcome. The cap hit is still significant.
Ranking the options in terms of likelihood
1. Wait until CBA negotiated in case there is a buyout amnesty and then buy him out.
2. Pay Gomez $5.5M and $4.5M for the next two years to play in the AHL with $0 cap hit to the Habs.
3. “Mesdames et Messieurs … Numero Onze…Scott Gomez!” occupying a roster spot and being paid $5.5M and $4.5M for the next two years to play for the Habs with a $7.3M cap hit
4. Buying him out before the CBA terms are done. Buyout cap hit of $3.5M, $4.5M, $1.67M, $1.67M over the next four years
and (if we can dream)
5. Someone trades for Scott Gomez
Buying him out now makes no sense. I expect them to wait for the CBA and buy him out if there is an amnesty.
“Et le but!”
And here we go …so called fans of the last placed Montreal Canadiens wearing full face rainbow shields ,stating they don’t want changes,lol Wake up Hab fans before The Rocket CLIMBS OUTTA HIS GRAVE and does a L’acadian dance du Tap on your key-board finger pickers!Again …how many Hab fans does it take to change a light bulb ? Ans : 1 and all of H.I.O. to bitch about how they really miss the old one!
The World Famous Montreal Canadiens are having their worst season …AND CHANGES WILL BE MADE “Thank the Hockey Gods!” And I can’t think of a better proven leader for next season than Patrick Roy as coach. It looks like once and for all this bullsh_t will be coming to an end and a Real Leader will take the Helm ,GREAT NEWS!
How exactly has Roy proven himself a leader? Patrick ” that’s the last game I play in Montreal” Roy who quit on the Habs. I realize it was a terrible scenario but he was the only one who demanded a trade. He bought the Remparts and made himself coach and GM. 2 of the best players to graduate from his jr.team; Radulov- quit on his team to go somewhere else ( wait I’ve heard this one before….) and A. Esposito- who does he play for now?
Roy was a great goalie, one of the best ever. I fail to see the leadership. Leaders make those around them better, I’ll take 1 example for St. Patrick…
“man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh
Esposito is on the Texas Stars, Dallas’ farm team.
“May you live in interesting times.”
ABHab…get yourself a Golden Retriever and a can O pencils ,you already gots the Rose coloured glasses,lol. I can’t change your mindset and there’s nuthing I hate more than typing”for nada”so We’ll leave it with the Habs in last place fanboy and that’s not f’n right…I think I’m pointed in the right direction…..
If Patrick Roy doesn’t get the head coaching job, I hope he gets Shanahan’s as NHL Head of Supplementary Discipline. It may get us closer to the Cup.
“May you live in interesting times.”
Now, that’s the Suggestion of the Day!
“I can’t really heard what Jeremy said, ’cause I have my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ear.”
“May you live in interesting times.”
Gregory Campbell is a really good fourth liner..could probably play on our 3rd!! That is what I would have PG saying to Gregory’s agent anyway! that alone is good for 6-8 points, 12 getout of Shanny’s doghouse free cards and would mean the Bruins may actaully face suspension…I know Jacobs still would have some clout with Bettman but I think Campbell would be the shrewdest move out there!
In regards to Roy, if I were a new GM, like there will be shortly, I don’t think I’d be hiring a rookie coach, especially in Montreal.
We’re seeing what happens now with Cunneyworth and we’ve seen what’s happened in the past with Tremblay, Therien and others.
I’d cover my ass for sure and go with the safe bet and hire an experienced NHL coach.
Like whom? Hartley? Crawford?
“There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
- Jerry Maguire
Both Cup winners. How horrible.
Remember RC is missing 6 starters listed above and (Cammy & Gill) for 8 NHL’ers now not playing (who were available to JM) and spots filled with AHL’ers or prehaps prospects. With this line-up I believe he’s doing extreamly well with the tools available.
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
Crawford is overrated those Colorado teams were stacked and he didn’t do that well in Vancouver when he actually had to coach. As far as Hartley goes he hasn’t had a coaching job in 5 years there must be a reason. I’d love to get a coach with experience too but as long as the french media and the separatists run this team the best man for the job won’t ever be hired to coach the Habs.
I dislike Hartley as coach for the same reasons I dislike Roy, but he might be the best Francophone candidate out there.
Not exactly a “players coach” … really not the best guy to put in charge of a developing core like Pacioretty, Subban, Price, Emelin, DD, Leblanc, etc. He alienates players pretty quickly.
Full Breezer 4 Life
I’m not sure, I haven’t weighed out all the candidates.
But I would seriously look at our results over the past 20 years with non-experienced NHL coaches and think about it real hard.
Brian Burke, chose an experienced coach recently. Look at Hitchcock in St. Louis.
It is not out of the realm of possibility or a stretch at all for Roy to get in trouble with the media or lose control of the team. I could easily see it happening. The risk outweighs the reward.
Hartley & Crawford are both overrated in my opinion and are not the answer in Montreal as they’re loose cannons. My choice would be Guy Carbonneau.
I like Carbo also. Not seeing his name much but I think he would be wiser 2nd time around.
Been there, done that, next please.
What Habs coach since Demers has had a better record than Carbo?
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For sure. The last thing the Habs need is a rookie who’ll lose his head with little provocation.
All this crap about players and management thinking that being a middle of the pack team is ok. I don’t believe that for a second.
Like Martin?
We blew it by not cleaning house after the Boston playoffs choke show. We could have had Boucher or Muller here, a learning year, to be sure, but not the cluster-f*ck it’s been. Does anyone think we’d be WORSE off with either of them having a full year here?
Choke show? A gruelling seven game series that could’ve easily gone our way with a little luck/break. Not to mention, playing without Markov.
We had a two game lead and choked at home. What part of that don’t you understand?
Does that not scream character flaws to you from every fibre of your being? The coach did not have them prepared to play at home. That’s historical fact.
Yeah the 2-0 lead going home and losing both really took the wind out of sails.
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
Let the Patrick Roy speculation begin
Begin? It’s been going on even before JM was fired…
RC : “Merci beaucoup.”
ya, but it’s now reached official rumor status.
That was last week when it was first reported.
RC : “Merci beaucoup.”
An ‘official rumour’.
Is that like ‘government intelligence’?
I’ve been saaaaved!!
—Hope Springs Eternal—
I expect more from you Matty
The oxymoron is “military intelligence”
That’s one of them for sure, but I prefer mine.
It sums up Harpo and his cronies very nicely, I think.
I’ve been saaaaved!!
—Hope Springs Eternal—
Ah yes. The hierarchy of rumors… From pure speculation to unofficial rumor to official rumor. So what’s after the official rumor status?
Resident of 24 Sussex (that one’s for you Matty)
Heh heh.
I’ve been saaaaved!!
—Hope Springs Eternal—
after the official rumor status comes the tin foil hat, pure speculation brigade.
It’s considered a legitimate rumor until Eklund reports it.
Hah. Of course.
“former hall of fame goaltender” ”
Did they rescind Roy’s title from the hall Mr. Gordon? Or is that a Freudian slip on your part…
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Kiss my hAbSS!!!
Freud was a cross-dresser?
Took me a slip second to get that quip…but I managed. Good one.
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Kiss my hAbSS!!!
Yeah, you didn’t hear?
They had to take Roy out of the HoF to make room for the Tie Domi commemorative wing.
I’ve been saaaaved!!
—Hope Springs Eternal—
HA HA!!!!!
2012 in full force. Locusts next!
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Kiss my hAbSS!!!
“It would arguably make more sense to hand Roy the keys to the organization by making him vice-president of hockey operations or general-manager, a role he has thrived in for the Remparts – Roy evidently has a keen eye for talent and the ruthlessness required to bring it on board (and by the way, all this talk can’t be seen as anything else than another signal the GM’s job in Montreal is about to be vacated by Pierre Gauthier).”
This makes sense to me rather than him being in the Head Coach position.
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CAn;t see Roy being a head coach for our Habs.
Still green IMO and would have to start as an assistant coach first.
I can’t think any former goalies in the NHL succeeding as head coaches.
Heck, even the great one, Wayne Gretzky was a failure coaching in the NHL.
But Roy can influence younger players on our team and perhaps give him a couple of years before he comes on board.
Tank I say! Tank!
“We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “
Cunneyworth has more NHL coaching experience.
1993 was a long time ago.
Got 2 more Cups with Colorada Nordiques in ’96 and ’01. “I can’t really heard what Jeremy said, ’cause I have my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ear.”
“May you live in interesting times.”
Speaking of going out on a limb. Was the Goat’s 3 year deal with AM more of a gamble then Denver’s $95M deal with Manning and his injury?
The jury is now open.
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
Not really. I imagine that he was told by the medical staff that Markov was good to go after training camp. But with Gauthier, you never know…
Btw, does that make Subban our Tebow?
“There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
- Jerry Maguire
I thought NFL contracts weren’t guarenteed ?
Habs, OLE !
Indeed they are not. Certain players have guaranteed money in the deals, but that’s it.
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Question – if anyone actually thinks Roy would be a good choice – why not just keep Cunneyworth? It’s the same thing – no pro experience and a risky move. At least Randy knows the players already.
If only the logistics of head coaching were as simple as checking a box on a ledger beside “Pro Experience” eh? Wanna know something crazy? Once upon a time Mike Babcock never had any pro experience and was a risky move too.
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Mike Babcock was signed to his 1st NHL head coaching gig after 8 years experience as a WHL head coach and two years as an AHL head coach, six of those ten years with a +.500 winning percentage. When Detroit hired him he had two years experience with Anaheim, one where he took the team to the finals, the other where they finished out of the playoffs.
I submit that’s less of a risk than St. Patrick is now…
Yes but before those two years in the AHL, he too did not have any pro experience did he? The point is that at some point you just have to make the jump. Jacques Martin and Ron Wilson have decades of coaching experience, maybe we should just go with one of those guys yes?
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Yeah, but that’s the point! You get pro coaching experience in the minors. The AHL. Lots of guys get hired out of junior for the AHL, that is not uncommon. What’s uncommon is for an NHL team to gamble on a coach who has only ever worked with amateur teenagers.
Full Breezer 4 Life
IMO Randy is sub par.
Ya he was thrown into a crappy situation……but I don’t see much from him. Who knows, mabey he’ll do better somewhere else ?
Plus, I was watching him and Campoli goin’ at it the other night on the bench in Ottawa and thought he looked weak doing that in public. I don’t think Campoli would’ve tried that with Torts for example or a Patty Roy, and if he did…….??????? It wouldn’t have been like that. I can’t believe he just continued to engage in that with a player.
Habs, OLE !
But Roy speaks French…. and to some people that’s more important.
Plus the Habs sunk like a stone after RC took over, at this point any body would an improvement.
So… bring back JM?
RC : “Merci beaucoup.”
I’m not saying bring him back at all, but what I’m saying is that when you hit rock bottom there’s nowhere to go but up (or stuck on the rock, just look at Whitney Houston)
Plus he’s a grown up.
1993 was a long time ago.
Wife beating charges downgraded to misdemeanor and not felony assault, but found guilty nonetheless.
“May you live in interesting times.”
There is a lot of questioning of how Roy would relate to players with examples of how poorly we have handled our recent younger players like Grabovski, Ribiero, Kostitsyns, D’agostini, etc …
When you call out these examples those, aren’t you actually reinforcing the notion that we are not currently doing it the right way. That we need a new different approach? In the end Roy might not be a good choice, but I don’t think that argument against him makes any sense.
Personally I would like to see a little Bravado back in our organization. I would like to see the guys wearing the CH thinking they are the best. Maybe as a kid I was misguided, but it seemed to me we used to think we were the best and it showed. Now there is too much ‘oh well free agents don’t want to be here, we are okay as a marginal playoff team, oh well Detroit is the shiny team everyone aspires to …
I think Patrick would add some much needed confidence and hootspa, and possibly make the habs as kick butt as we used to be. Maybe not, how is Torteralla working in the Big Apple? Is he maybe an english version of Roy?
I agree that we are mis-managing our youth! That being said, Roy has a temper. How would PK, Price, Eller react when being treating to an earful from the coach? There are a ton of guys who wanna play for Tortorella, but there are a bunch more who would never want to…
“Let’s be clear on the facts…”
The ones that wouldn’t want to are probably to soft to ever win a championship (Although I realize that statement is a generalization). Torts is a winner and so is Patty Roy. When PK, Price and Eller are being paid a lot of money to do a job…..then it shouldn’t be a problem if their boss yells at them for effin up, no ?
Habs, OLE !
Not all players or workers, for that matter, respond well to being yelled at.
Some players dislike coaches who can’t keep their sh&t together.
Especially veterans.
Gretzky’s a winner too. How did his coaching go?
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That’s why I said I was generalizing a bit.
And yes, point well taken with Gretzky.
Habs, OLE !
Remember Kovalev and his issues with Carbo. Kovalev was a special player, but he never responded well when being called out or threatened. He would always deny that his level of effort was fluctuating and claim he was working as hard as ever… not that we bought it, but that’s how he reacted. That being said, I couldn’t see Roy EVER hanging Price out to dry… even if he believed he was at fault, which is a GREAT starting point.
“Let’s be clear on the facts…”
Maybe some of them NEED an earful from the coach. Just throwing out that live grenade.
Yep, we’ve really mismanaged our youth.
Look at Pacioretty, Price, PK, White, Eller, Diaz, Weber, Emelin…
Seems like I have to go through this every time someone cracks out that that fallacy.
Ribeiro = partied himself off the team and is a royal douche
D’Agostini = look how he’s tearing it up in St. Louis
Kostitsyns = Sergei was a brat, and AK did fine here
Grabovski = problem player who refused to fly with the team because he didn’t like being scratched as a rookie.
Good riddance to all of them.
Our current youth is doing just fine, thanks.
I’ve been saaaaved!!
—Hope Springs Eternal—
Giving Habs credit for developping Emelin is not quite right, those KHL teams should get credits.
RC : “Merci beaucoup.”
Yeah, stuck that on there as an ‘eehhhh…. maybe…’ but we still had to develop him in the NHL, and integrate him into the team.
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Yeah, I left out Diaz, but the same applies to him.
And Eller, kinda.
RC : “Merci beaucoup.”
No, we integrated Eller into the NHL.
That’s where it counts, not in the juniors.
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You didn’t read what I wrote.
This was an argument being lobbed against Roy.
You wrote:
“with examples of how poorly we have handled our recent younger players like Grabovski, Ribiero, Kostitsyns, D’agostini, etc … ”
and:
“When you call out these examples those, aren’t you actually reinforcing the notion that we are not currently doing it the right way. That we need a new different approach?”
That’s what I’m responding to. This fallacious notion that we aren’t good at developing our youth.
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Not quite I wrote:
“There is a lot of questioning of how Roy would relate to players with examples of how poorly we have handled our recent younger players like Grabovski, Ribiero, Kostitsyns, D’agostini, etc …”
Then I state if this is your argument against Roy, it doesn’t make sense.
Okay, I didn’t want to have to say it, but what you wrote doesn’t make any grammatical sense, so I’m not actually sure what you’re trying to say at all.
“When you call out these examples those,” doesn’t mean anything.
Maybe you should clarify.
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Sometimes crying over spilled milk makes no sense, especially if it was spoiled in the first place…Boo hoo hoo right?
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Um… AK did OK here… but if you look at the 2003 entry draft… It’s pretty painful to see what we left on the table… either we picked poorly, or AK never reached his potential. I tend to think it’s the later… With David Fisher on the other hand… who knows.
10 Andrei Kostitsyn (Right Wing) Belarus Montreal Canadiens CSKA Moscow (Russia)
11 Jeff Carter (Centre) Canada Philadelphia Flyers
(from Phoenix Coyotes) Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds (OHL)
12 Hugh Jessiman (Right Wing) United States New York Rangers Dartmouth College (NCAA)
13 Dustin Brown (Right Wing) United States Los Angeles Kings Guelph Storm (OHL)
14 Brent Seabrook (Defence) Canada Chicago Blackhawks Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL)
15 Robert Nilsson (Right Wing) Sweden New York Islanders Leksands IF (Sweden)
16 Steve Bernier (Right Wing) Canada San Jose Sharks
(from Boston Bruins) Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL)
17 Zach Parise (Centre) United States New Jersey Devils
(from Edmonton Oilers) University of North Dakota (NCAA)
18 Eric Fehr (Right Wing) Canada Washington Capitals Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL)
19 Ryan Getzlaf (Centre) Canada Mighty Ducks of Anaheim Calgary Hitmen (WHL)
20 Brent Burns (Defence) Canada Minnesota Wild Brampton Battalion (OHL)
21 Mark Stuart (Defence) United States Boston Bruins
(from Toronto Maple Leafs) Colorado College (NCAA)
22 Marc-Antoine Pouliot (Centre) Canada Edmonton Oilers
(from St. Louis Blues) Rimouski Océanic (QMJHL)
23 Ryan Kesler (Centre) United States Vancouver Canucks Ohio State University (NCAA)
24 Mike Richards (Centre) Canada Philadelphia Flyers Kitchener Rangers (OHL)
25 Anthony Stewart (Right Wing) Canada Florida Panthers
(from Tampa Bay Lightning) Kingston Frontenacs (OHL)
26 Brian Boyle (Centre) United States Los Angeles Kings
(from Colorado Avalanche) Saint Sebastian’s School (USHS-MA)
27 Jeff Tambellini (Left Wing) Canada Los Angeles Kings
(from Detroit Red Wings) University of Michigan (NCAA)
28 Corey Perry (Right Wing) Canada Mighty Ducks of Anaheim
(from Dallas Stars) London Knights (OHL)
29 Patrick Eaves (Right Wing) United States Ottawa Senators Boston College (NCAA)
30 Shawn Belle (Defence) Canada St. Louis Blues
(from New Jersey Devils) Tri-City Americans (WHL)
“Let’s be clear on the facts…”
I don’t understand why SK 74 is a brat with the Habs and that has nothing to do with JM and his shortcomings ? SK gets traded for nothing to a team that is better than ours and earns a spot on their top line as the number point getter on the team last year ?
Then his coach even comes out and says he’s been nothing but a great and positive contributer to the team ? How are the people in charge of our oraganization taking any responsibility for this eff up ? We got nothing in return and everybody knew SK was a good hockey player. But the Habs get fleeced again ?
Its so easy for us Habs fans to trash a player who leaves because that’s what upper management wants us to think. Somewhere we have to question blind loyalty, no ?
Habs, OLE !
Not to mention, Roy gets a lot of credit for being very good at developing guys with the Remparts. Look at Radulov. Yeah he bolted to the KHL later but Roy gets a lot of credit for bringing him along, and one suspects the same may also be true with Grigorenko.
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The only way RC won’t dress or play his best players is if he’s told from above. If so I’d quit. Very hard to ever get another NHL coaching gig of you finish the season 0-10 even if it is to please Management. Also it would send a bad message to the players and also it’s a lot easier to get hurt if your not playing full out. Notable exception Boroque, whose floated since he came from calgary.
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I am coming in very late but some points to address on Gomez and Kaberle:
- hard to imagine Gomez being bought out and having a cap hit of, correct me if im wrong, 3 million for the next 4 seasons? Gomez can at least log minutes. Obv not worth the $$ but at 3 – $4m a season would anyone complain? You have to think some team would take him. If not, why not send him to Europe?
- Kaberle: Overpayment in salary, yes. Panic, yes. Is he detrimential to the team? No. Its hard to imagine where we would be without him as we are already dead last, but without him means an increased role for Emelin, Diaz, Campoli (ouch) and PK. That would have been detrimential to the team.
Lots of RFAs to be signed this year, will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
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I too have been giving the Gomez dilemma some thought. Initially, I favoured sending him down with the intention to never recall him; otherwise another team might pluck him off waivers at half-price, leaving the Canadiens to bear the other half of his cap hit.
I now seriously doubt that’s a danger. Any team that picks up Gomez under that scenario would be burning $3.15M in salary. Would any manager want to commit that to a bottom-six forward who can’t score or hit, and who has become a defensive liability? I say this without malice toward Gomez. But that is what he has become—with injuries to boot.
So forget about a buyout. Send Gomez down in good conscience, making it clear this is not a move to end his NHL career. If he’s showing signs of life, recall him, and gratefully pay any team willing to take him. It’s not like he will haunt the Habs for years on come. He’s just not that good anymore.
He’s been haunting us from the inside. How could it be worse?
We need an exorcist.
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Kaberle: Overpayment in salary, yes. Panic, yes. Is he detrimential to the team? No.
If he’s not detrimental why the panic?
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Elliott Friedman on the return of Radulov. One of his 30 thoughts:
“As tough as this season’s been for Montreal, the Canadiens do play hard for Cunneyworth. They killed nine Ottawa power plays Friday night. He’s done his best with a bad hand, while Canadiens fans kill a kitten each time Kirk Muller’s Carolina Hurricanes win a game.”
Kill a kitten? That is priceless.
I thought so
I would love to see Gomez buried in the minors. Why not? They will be on the hook for the cap for 4 years if they buy him out. Year two at 4.5 million. That’s a roster spot for a good player GONE! He’ll collect his cash but he can ride the buses and contemplate whether or not his effort was where it should be. Then he can talk to his friends about his @ss sores
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It’s premature for any team to make that type of player movement at this point. We just don’t know what the landscape will look like come September. It would be the easiest thing to send him to Hamilton and let the contract burn there, but Gomez is still relatively young and may want the option to become a redemption project for another club. It would be the height of incompetence to buy out a contract before the CBA is negotiated as it may yield a one-time penalty-free buyout claus.
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I have thought about this a lot and am willing to roll the dice with Patrick in whatever role.
If we minus Gomez, add a decent draft pick, Markov is healthy (which instantly makes PK better because of less pressure) I think we are going somewhere.
Who could have imagined that we would sink so low that the best option looks like “le Tanque ™
We need to appease the ghosts. I will light a candle in Notre Dame (the one in Paris) in May and pray that Molsons make this right.
Re: Roy:
Insane and unstable coaches have a very short shelf-life, and the damage they leave behind can take a long time to recover from.
Ask Michel Therrien how his coaching is going.
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It’s too bad that any H/C of the Habs can only be narrowed down to a very small group, given the criteria that is required.
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http://www.pensburgh.com/2009/8/17/991170/looking-back-michel-therriens
He was 2 wins from the cup and was fired with only about 6 weeks to go in the season…his fingerprints are all over that cup with Bylsma. This is an article about Michel Therrien and how many palyers and Mario called him to thank him for his role in the Cup victory. There is also a part in their mentioning MA Fleury’s blog where he specifically states:
” Despite the fact that we went to the Stanley Cup final as recently as last year, Michel lost his job. He took the fall for the lack of success of our team. If we weren’t winning enough, it wasn’t Michel’s fault. He’s not the one wearing skates. The players, myself first of all, take part of the blame.
I can assure you that there was no group in the dressing room that wanted his dismissal”
Ask Jacques Martin. He “stabled” us into a coma. This is Habs, we need some fire!
Insane and unstable? That’s pretty harsh language Mattyleg, uncalled for.
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A Gomez buyout really doesn’t help as that much. I guess it’s a half measure, at best. Hamilton would be a much better option as long as the Habs didn’t think Gomez would be a negative influence on the young prospects over the next few seasons.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/scott-gomez-expecting-canadiens-buyout-return-devils-160146611.html
Can he just be paid not to play?
Yes, but his salary would still count against the cap.
And he would occupy a roster position.
Was just looking at the final scores for all the habs losses. It seems like our worst loss was 5-1 in Chicago in Dec? (I think Budaj was in net).
This club is not that far off. Good younng core. Markov back.
A functional powerplay, a shutdown d-pair, and a big center should make a huge difference.
I have no problem with Roy as coach – we need someone with fire behind the bench. Experience with young players doesn’t hurt. Is Grigarenko a center? I also think it will reverse the corey-houle-tremblay jinx.
Maybe Mike Keane should be assistant coach to seal the deal? Voodoo dolls for Thibeault, Rucinsky, and Kovalenko as insurance?
1 more experienced shutdown Dman and less playing of the kids on D would have made a big difference this season. The panic-mode firing of Pearn and Martin made things a lot worse. Instead of hovering near a playoff spot, the Habs sank like a stone under RC.
it may work out better in the long run. We are not a cup contender and we are going to great a great draft pick. I am ok with how this season went down.
With markov and Gionta out this team was toast from the get go. it has been a gong show since lol
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Funny thing is even in that loss, it was tied at 1-1 for the greater part of 2 periods then the Habs just left Budaj out to dry after Chi broke the tie (in that they really gave up). I think the next game was when they got shut out by the Jets right before Christmas. That was rock bottom for the team.
Other than that, Washington games are always painful as they always lose by 3 goals, usually by a shutout.
Yes, I was at that game and the Habs really sucked. Many of us Habs fans there in our jerseys had to suck up the insults. BTW Hainsey will probably go UFA this season but makes about $4M. Whose worse him or Kabs for the size of their contracts?
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No Guts No Glory
Yet more proof of what i’ve been guaranteeing, Scott Gomez will no longer be a hab come september.
http://spectorshockey.net/wordpress/2012/03/20/latest-on-the-predators-canadiens-and-bruins/
How about seeing if he can return from the concussion he has? All the rest is speculation.
If they buy him out they might as well keep him cause of the cap hit. They need to trade him or send him to the minors. Buying him out doesn’t help this team other than him not playing. Unless something changes in the CBA I don’t think he is bought out.
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Should the new CBA include an one-time amnesty clause, the Habs can use it to get rid of Gomez without adding his huge salary to the team salary cap in each remaining year of his contract. Check this news article:
http://m.torontosun.com/2012/02/11/rink-wrap-habs-want-amnesty-clause?noimage=true
It will help the Habs save about $14.75 millions dollars in their salary cap!
Has anyone given though to PERHAPS the Montreal Canadiens have told Kaberle stay home for rest of season? Only 9 games left and we want to evaluate the talent we have for future
That would be awesome.
Only classless Rangers would do such a thing.
RC : “Merci beaucoup.”
Montreal Canadiens did it with Georges Laracque.
That’s a buyout, not the same thing as keeping a player on the payroll and telling him not to show up.
Buyout Kaberle means he has a cap hit on the Habs roster until 2016.
RC : “Merci beaucoup.”
They bought him out at the end of the season. He was told to go home after he scored his only goal with Montreal.
Kabs still has 2 more years.
RC : “Merci beaucoup.”
He was an joke and should never have been aloud to be a hab.
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Yeah….no. Many teams have done it. Kaberle is worse than useless to this team; it’s not like we’re demoting Guy Lafleur to the 4th line in an attempt to humble him and force him to “choose” to retire here.
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Well he is not as bad as people make him out to be, but that’s another pair of sleeves.
But do you think that the GM who traded for him would make such a move so soon after acquiring him?
RC : “Merci beaucoup.”
I don’t think that the GM who traded for him is going to employed for much longer, and therefore his opinion is a moo point. Like a cow’s opinion, it doesn’t matter.
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That GM will be employed for the remaining of the season, making the OP’s point moo
+t
RC : “Merci beaucoup.”
You mean the Conference leading Rangers? If only the Habs could be so classless.
Those are unrelated.
Would you give Avery a contract this summer?
RC : “Merci beaucoup.”
Avery has nothing to do with it. The Rangers make decisions in order to improve the club. Burying and buying out contracts is in the CBA. If anything Habs fans have a false sense of what classy is.
Trading Cammy in the middle of a game. Firing Pearn two hours before a game. Firing Martin on a game day. Are those moves classy? If anything the Habs have a thing or two to learn about being classy.
Or. Both clubs are capable of making Machiavellian decisions. I prefer to see it as being effectively ruthless. It’s part of what winning is about. The Habs could use a little more of a killer instinct.
How about he is hurt and still not ready to go?
If they have, they are risking losing draft picks by falsely putting him on the injury roster.
The other side of the Patrick Roy debate.
- his volcanic temper is only matched by his enormous ego. How can a man lead other men when he can’t even look after his own emotions and thoughts?
- he has no experience at the pro level in any capacity. He has done well in his junior league fiefdom but you have to wonder if that is a case of a big fish in a little pond.
- in a job that demands media savvy, Roy is well known to have very little.
- will Roy be able to handle sharing centre stage with a new GM, or better still, will a new GM be secure enough knowing he has a loose cannon running his team who may try to undermind his power and authority?
- it’s easy to motivate junior players as they are trying to live the dream. It’s quite another story to motivate pros who make $5M a season on long term contracts that many times outlive the tenure of the present coach. Can Roy motivate and teach slackers such as Kovalev, Cammalleri, Gomez, Bourque and Kaberle? The only punishment tool that a present day coach has is ice time. It didn’t seem to mean much to these guys.
- I realize many people would see this as a plus, but would Roy as coach really be a good match for Carey Price? Roy obviously has a wealth of knowledge in terms of netminding but can he get along with the franchise player? Take Price out of the equation and you’re left with the Columbus Blue Jackets. Will Roy be Lindy Ruff or will he eventually evolve into another Mario Tremblay?
- speaking of which, there seems to be a trend toward NHL coaches who were not past NHL players with decent NHL careers. Right now there are only 8 out of 30 former NHLers coaching and that includes Cunneyworth and Hunter who are both on the clock.
- one of the things that Montreal needs to do is stop worrying about scratching and clawing their way through a season just to finish in 8th place. If the kids in the system are truly good, then the team needs to take a few years to develop them properly. That means the Habs might have to take a few steps back before they really start to move forward. Can Roy buy into that mindset?
- how would Roy deal with guys such as Ribeiro, Grabovski, the K brothers and Lats/Pouliot? All attempts to motivate or punish these players have basically failed.
- what would Roy be like as a bench coach? All of the match-ups, x’s and o’s and special teams? Is that a true strength that he possesses or are fans just overlooking that important aspect because of the Roy mystique?
- much will be made of Roy being a link to the past, the glory years of Cup wins. Pride, honour, tradition and the torch. I just wonder what will happen when some of the players sit there and think this is the guy who quit on his team in mid season. This is the player who shit on everything that is sacred in Hab land (spare me the replies about Houle, Tremblay and Ronald Corey. The guilt is split four ways and Roy has to take his share just like the other three guys).
- a final point. What if Roy had of been drafted by another NHL team and had never starred for the Habs? Would we even consider him as a coach? A guy who’s resume consists of a gig in the Q? Has despair blinded us to the true reality of the situation?
Roy is just easy to suggest, every Habs fan knows him, his history with MTL, the cups, a great player, some coaching experience.
He’s the obvious choice if you are not looking elsewhere.
RC : “Merci beaucoup.”
Ha!
Totally.
Just like Pierre McGuire is the best choice for GM if all you do is watch TSN.
I’ve been saaaaved!!
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Pierre McGuire hasn’t been on TSN this year. What are you watching, my friend?
Bazinga.
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I’ve been watching RDS.
I don’t know where McGuire is. NBC? I avoid him at all costs, and have been pretty successful at it.
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Yes I remember Roy’s loyalty to the Habs. “Trade me as I’ve played my last game for montreal”.
Mr. Biter
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Pssst! NBC. Edit it to NBC (with guest spots on TSN).
Steve – You present the case against Roy eloquently and persuasively. I agree entirely. Roy might at some point be a good NHL coach, but I really don’t think he should start with the Canadiens. The next couple of seasons are not likely to be much easier than the present one; I think we need someone with at least a bit of experience and with a more even temper than Roy. The new coach will have to withstand enormous pressure from the media and the fans, and he’ll also have to be patient and accept that winning is perhaps a couple of season away.
My perspective (which is not to challenge those of the commentariat who would welcome Roy, or commiserate with those who are against the move) is thus:
Patrick Roy quit on his his team, he quit on his teammates and (most importantly) he quit on the fans. He threw a tantrum, picked up his ball, and went home – let him stay there.
EXACTLY!!!…surely there must be better coaches and role models out there for our young team.
Really?
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This head coaching revolving door system that is going on needs to be stopped.
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Not to trivialize your post, because it is extensive and you do ask many relevant questions, let me ask one back:
When is it a good time to bring in a new coach at the NHL level. This league has been littered far too long with old coaches and their own styles than are not relevant anymore (hello JM, Paul Maurice, Ron Wilson, Brent Sutter, Terry Murray, etc.).
I think most, myself included, see Roy as injecting new blood among coaches. Everyone has to start somewhere.
“There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
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“This league has been littered far too long with old coaches and their own styles than are not relevant anymore ”
So, like, did removing the red line change the entire game that much? You kids can believe what you want, but the game hasn’t changed that much. The biggest thing has been the 40 second shift because of the speed and shot blocking because of better protection. Otherwise, all the fundamentals are the same. This “new NHL” isn’t all that new.
First off, I am a 31 year old man, not a kid.
Secondly, most good coaches learn to adapt their coaching styles to the team that they have to work with. JM came into this organization with his old, tired, defense first mentality. He tried to impose that mentality on certain players who would have benefited more from an open-stlye way of playing.
Red line? Fundamentals? Game hasn’t changed? Wow…
“There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
- Jerry Maguire
Exactly. The game hasn’t changed. No “Wow” about it.
Uh huh, that isnt my point. My point was that might have told him to stay home for remaining games so that they can evaluate other players. Maybe move him in off-season
I would like to see RC behind the bench next year.
Yes, behind the bench of another club, thank you.
ummm…that wasn’t my point. I just said that they might have told him to stay home to evaluate other players.
If they can spread out his buyout over 4 years (like the link above is projecting Habs can do with Gomez) even better
Saying Roy quit on the team is a total overstatement, he was ill-used by incompetent coach and management and a good GM could have made peace. Yeah Roy was upset, he’s a human being, not perfect like you.
The blame is about 10% Roy, and the rest belongs to Houle, Tremblay and Corey.
+ ∞
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“Blind despiar”: well put–that’s what I’m feeling about my Habs. Thank-you for the more detailed supporting argument against leting our present abject misery blind us into taking Roy.
I want Pat Burns reincarnated.
ps: Gomez is not a slacker (certainly he’s out of compamy in that list. He isn’t producing and obviously needs to adjust someting but he skates himself into the ice — not effetively I accept but he skates and not peripheally. (Even the French media are now allowing him that.)
Questions for Tuesday:
1) Should the Habs trade for Rick Nash in the off-season, and if so 2) what is a reasonable offer for Nash?
My take:
1) Yes
2) Pleks, Eller, Kristo, Diaz, our 2012 1st round pick, and a 2012 2nd round pick (we have two) for Nash and Brassard
That yields:
MaxPower-DD-Nash
Bourque-Brassard-Cole
Geoffrion-LL-Gio
Moen-White-Staubitz/Blunden
No. Nash ain’t the superstar people think he is. You overpay by a wide margin.
1. No way
2. Substitute Shea Weber for Nash and you have yourself a deal
No, that’s way too much to give. The Habs need to build up their future, not trade away 3 roster players (with Pleks being quite valuable and Eller improving year by year), a solid prospect in Kristo, a top3-5 pick in this year’s draft AND another 2nd rounder.
I think Carriere would be the RIGHT replacement for PG and i dont think he brings more of the same PG and BG. He was a key part of the group that brought the Sabres to the cup final and post lockout he was part of the team that rebuilt the Caps… I hope Carriere would bring his own guy in as coach. My biggest fear is that either or both Maguire and /or Roy come on board…Then it becomes a three ring circus.. Maguire is a very knowledgeable hockey guy and among the best media analysts. But it would become ABOUT HIM if he were GM..(The anti-ghost) As for Roy he’s a hot head with a track record for the big drama…The 2nd best Habs goalie ever, but not blessed with what’s needed here now… Give Carriere the keys. He has more respect for the media and the fans than PG, and will be less inclined to hand out those bad contracts than BG. At least thats how i see things here in sunny Toronto…
RGM – 12 as in 12 guys or 12 hands so 6 guys?
Kabs, Gomez, Gio, Moen, Diaz and Darche, so 12 hands.
I thought it was pretty clear…
RC : “Merci beaucoup.”
Yes.
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“Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab
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hey, does anyone here use the NHL Gamecentre Live on Apple TV? it seems like a cheaper option than telus but i’m not sure about the ‘blackouts’. cbc and tsn would be blacked out i guess – what about rds? any general thoughts on how good of a service it is? thanks
It’s good if you watch another team, but montreal…I live in Quebec so I can’t catch any Habs games on it.
that sucks. i live in alberta, so does that mean i should get rds games since they aren’t local?
I’m not sure if they cover RDS or not…for me there’s always an error message when i try to catch the Habs telling me to tune into my local TSN or RDS station. might be worth it to just get the trial and see how it works out for you.
ok, thanks for your help.
It would be great if Pat came back. It would be wild never a dull moment stuff
Ooh Aah Habs on the war path
Already setting expectations the man cannot meet.
RC : “Merci beaucoup.”
Unlike the expectations set with Jesus Price.
Hey there kids!
Had to actually WORK today…
(shudder)
I don’t recommend it.
Yeah, so Patrick Roy as head coach would be a baaaaaad idea.
That doesn’t mean it won’t happen though.
And if it does, I’ll support him.
With my fingers crossed and my faith in humanity in the balance.
I’ve been saaaaved!!
—Hope Springs Eternal—
I’m not so sure if I am buying the Roy rumors yet. I would think Molson would let the new GM pick his coach. If the rumors are true about Roy then there are only two reasons for that to occur. One that PG isn’t going anywhere and he agreed with Roy signing on (which I don’t see being possible), or Two that Carierre is the next GM and he wants Roy.
Hindle and Engles have made there cases for Carierre to be the next GM. While I think he could be a good replacement for PG I do worry that he would be the same old type of thinking that Ganiey and PG brought to the team and got us into the cap mess that the Habs are in now.
Why not start completely fresh and go outside of the current management and have some new ideas about what direction this team should be heading.
All hands are on deck…except for 12 of them.
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GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
“Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab
Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81
Erik Cole
FULL BREEZER!!!!!!!
Now, now, let’s keep it serious.
Do not believe so.