Most $$$ ever in arbitration


We can assume the arbitrator is a Shea Weber fan.

Nashville’s star defenceman has been awarded $7.5 million for this season. (Photo: Frederick Breeden/Getty Images)

What the deal means

Fantasy projection for AK46

So what is a “scoring chance”?

Kesler could miss start of season

Zherdev to Winnipeg?

Hockey’s guilty pleasures

Patrick Sharp: five years, $29.5 million

The sad case of David Perron

Sharks sign Colin White

Stu Hackel on Islanders staying put

Another season prediction from Yvon Pedneault

• EOTP on prospect Alain Berger

• Dennis Kane posts a great photo of Canadiens fathers and sons


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  4. Rainrocket16 says:

    Maybe it was said maybe not…Drury would be a nice depth addition to this team! And cheap too, not a bad option regardless. Plus he is a friend of Gionta and Gomer. What Chemistry could come from such a transaction! Think for a second…….

  5. SeriousFan09 says:

    Brendan Gallagher with a beauty top-shelf goal in the WJC camp scrimmage today, go to about 1:10 on the video.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  6. DearyLeary says:

    Wild, Gallagher got a shoutout on TSN but no mention of Beaulieu.

    • Chrisadiens says:

      I’m hoping SeriousFan09 will have some inside info on Beaulieu tomorrow. He did score a goal for the “red” team tonight.

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

      • DearyLeary says:

        I thought TSN streamed the Red/White games last year, doesn’t look like they’re doing it this year. I would have probably enjoyed the coverage.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Not getting a ton of Beaulieu, I know he scored a goal today and had a note from prospect feature writer Mike Morreale that “Great shift by Beaulieu on Red defense. Taking the body, aggressive to pucks.” on his Twitter account as he covered the first scrimmage.

        Issue for Beaulieu is that the potential 2012 roster for D is exceptionally deep so he’ll have to impress now and have a great opening part of his Q season to get in there.

        Gallagher’s got the inside track as the WJC HC is his own HC from the Vancouver Giants. As I keep saying, the kid is just relentless in pursuit of the puck.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

  7. mike3131 says:

    Kevin Bieksa on signing with Habs on OTR:
    “I’m 6 inches too tall to sign there.”

  8. FishOutOfWater says:

    being from Kitchener, Ontario as the nhl season approaches and so does the ontario hockey league season but before then there is camp and as camp approaches i start to wonder which prospects will make this years team with the big club. seeing as theyre gonna be starting their rookie seasons this year. i know rangers captain landeskog as sad as it will be to see him go probably wont be playing with Kitchener next year. ryan murphy on the other hand should be returning. so who else from this years draft will be playing with the boys this year. i see hopkins (oilers) and zibanejed of the sens making the teams but theres not too many standouts for me

  9. JD_ says:

    One should obviously feel free to opine about capital markets.

    One should obviously also feel free to run the risk they will display staggerin’ ignorance about capital markets, in particular if they are staggeringly ignorant about capital markets.

    The most laughable notion is its participants have somehow cornered the market on fraud, you know, cause frauds, crooks, and phonies do not permeate all walks of life.

    Like former Harvard University president Derek Bok said, if you think education is expensive, try ignorance.

    • HabFab says:

      Yeah! But it still sucks to lose the money!

      Edit; speaking generally about days like yesterday, today and tomorrow. Had them before and will have again. Never had to deal with being defrauded, too much of a cynic I guess.

      • JD_ says:

        Heh. It does.

        The redeemin’ factor is that, if someone has made the considerable effort to understand what they are doin’, either out of practical necessity, self-preservation, or both – e.g., your average fund manager – they can at least console themself with the knowledge they lost the money for the right reasons and apply the experience.

      • Chris says:

        But don’t you generally have to “cash out” to lose the money?

        If you can hold on to the stocks through the ride, it is not clear to me how people are “losing” money.

        The people that historically get shafted are those that have to monetize their assets, such as retirees.

        • HabFab says:

          And that is the secret Chris, hold on to a good ones and ride it it out. On the other hand your paper loss on a bad day can still make your gut hurl and your anus pucker!
          And if your doing speculative buying, well it’s like gambling, don’t do it unless you’re prepared to lose!

          • Chris says:

            I just find the whole stock market phenomenon hilarious. I’ve known young people who are glued to the ups and downs of their stocks on a daily basis. I’m not sure the potential gains are worth the ulcers.

            I’ve had a lot of friends go into mathematical finance over the years, but not too many who stayed in it. It seems to be a field that eats smart people for breakfast and spews them out by lunchtime.

    • Muckbringer says:

      i feel no economic pains.

      ahh, lefty anger. always warms my cockles. “no you cant have a cookie, you havent earned it”

      • christophor says:

        f*&# you, liberal ideology!
        f*&# you for what you did to Africa!

        edit: if you want to get in someone’s face then pull the comment two minutes later, it’s you who looks the soft one, Muck.

        • Muckbringer says:

          did you seriously call me a libzie? did i split some hair with you? once again watch how the left has ruined our pseudotopia. btw i left v101 an infant. grow up idealist!

          • Muckbringer says:

            someone passed out waiting for our cheque …

          • christophor says:

            In response to JD, you said something like, “go to Africa and see how well you do there, you liberal”. Then you pulled the comment, like a real-big-man, after I responded.

            Further, you made it quite clear, in an unfortunately face-palming way, that you’re not a leftie.

            On to other matters: I, sir, am definitely no idealist. On the contrary. I just get irked by stupidity.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Worse than ignorance is a fixed false belief (e.g. a Leaf fan in August), which is why I stick to index funds.

      Those pundits on TV who pontificate about the markets do crack me up though. Apparently Bristol Palin is lecturing high school students on abstinence too.

      • JD_ says:

        The markets are a particularly onerous combination of massive capital and complexity. By their very nature, they invite scorn. Although it’s for all the wrong reasons, the genesis of this is totally understandable.

        I’ve never been able to watch the talkin’ heads. They make me cringe. If Pierre McGuire hosted some markets segment on MSNBC, he’d probably trigger a global thermonuclear meltdown.

        On a positive note, they sometimes have thoughtful guests, you know, people for whom this stuff isn’t just whizbang BS.

        Is Burkie technically a fixed false belief?

      • Chris says:

        I’m sure there are some good fund managers. The big boys like Goldmann Sachs and Berkshire don’t hire dummies.

        But there are an awful lot of research that shows that the performance of fund managers is not particularly different than 50/50, and that even the successful ones are often successful in spite of themselves (the stocks they underweight outperform the ones they overweight).

        William Bernstein, a pretty smart guy himself, was probably the guy that popularized this idea to the masses. And I do like his comment about how in every stock transition, there is a buyer and a seller. Your fund manager might be buying thinking they have a good deal on their hands, but who is the seller? If it is Warren Buffett or one of the Goldmann Sachs wunderkind on the other side, we’re betting on that our guy is smarter than their guy…and that is not necessarily a safe bet.

        I quite liked this article in the Financial Times on fund managers. It is probably a little biased, but it is always fun to see some of those smug buggers brought down a notch.

    • punkster says:

      Never flew a plane but have flown many times.
      Never built a computer but have used them for years.
      Never wrote a book but enjoy reading.
      Never managed, coached or played pro hockey but love the game.
      Never “dabbled” in the market but my stock plan returns were good.
      You want to do something and do it well then learn how.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • Everlasting1 says:

      Is it ignorant to conclude the capitalist system is parasitic in nature? When the inevitable happens – stock market crash, hyperinflation, de-valuing currencies, foreclosures, leading to a global economic collapse, what will EDUCATION and EXPERIENCE teach you?

      “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  10. Muckbringer says:

    somebody hear something? sounds like 2m hab fans.

    viddy well my brothers

  11. Chris says:

    You know, when they posted the link “What is a ‘scoring chance’?” up above, I was waiting for Yeats to pounce.

    Then I remembered it was summer.

    Somebody needs to recycle that link in February, because he would have a field day.

  12. The Dude says:

    In my discussions with Chris “good fan” we bantered bought Jacques Lemaire and how important he was to the Habs during his playing days .I said no Lemaire =0 cups …what say you?

    • OneTimer says:

      You’re quite the simple hockey mind, The Dude. “No cups = bad player/coach/GM” is just about the only argument I’ve ever seen you make around here. You have an awesome avatar, but at the same time you do your glorious moniker a grave disservice, sir.

      • The Dude says:

        Yikes,you may have a point …..I wonder what the cause and cure is?As well, I will venture too say that Martin fares poorly in comparison to Lemaire in every category ie….N.H.L. player & Coach.

  13. HabinBurlington says:

    Nothing cures a CFL losing streak quite like playing the Argos. Looks like the AL’s are the benefactor this week!

  14. HabinBurlington says:

    Is Owen Nolan going to make the Canucks? I realize just a tryout contract but this seems like a real stretch.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      The mood out here on the West Coast is subdued when it comes to hockey. The local pride took it on the chine from bRat Marchand and the subsequent riot. And I use the term subsequent to indicate the passage of time, not causality. If Canada had a Homeland Security apparatus, it would have detected riot chatter on Facebook in the days before Game 7, a riot which was preordained regardless of the final score.

      In any case, the Canucks do think they are in need of a little grit. They figure that their fourth line, which they didn’t use anyway in the finals, might as well be stocked with NAG, so they signed Owen Nolan, who brings size along with some diminishing skill, and Todd Fedoruk, who brings size and titanium in his facial bones. A week ago, they also picked up former Bruin Byron Bitz, who brings a 6’5″ skeleton and hands of cee-ment.

      Unless Nolan is skating even slower than he did a couple years ago, the good fans here think he would be an upgrade on the fourth line, with spot duty as a finisher on the Sedin line.

      For my training camp surprise, I want the second coming of Mike McPhee. And maybe Kent Carlson.

  15. Chris says:

    Ways you know you are a student or recent grad: the stock market crashes, and you frankly don’t care. Can’t lose any money on your investments if you can’t find a job to earn money to invest in the first place. 🙂

    Although I guess I should care, because this type of thing makes people hang onto their jobs just a little longer, making an already brutal job market for youth and recent college/university grads even more hellish.

    • Chrisadiens says:


      I was thinking the same thing but then I think of people like Ian that worked their butts off only to lose money on the stock market.

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

      • Ian Cobb says:

        Its only money, my house has been paid for 40 years. Then again I paid cash for it. Never borrowed a cent in my life or paid an interest payment. Ate a lot of kraft dinners though.

        • HabFab says:

          I wonder if Fox farming will come back. 😉 Actually drove by Salisbury today.

          • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

            Stop at the Big Stop?
            They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

          • HabFab says:

            Not this trip.

        • Fred D says:

          On the other hand,my place still has a mortgage. The interest is tax deductible. Otherwise I would send the money to the Government. I bought in dollars some years ago which are worth many dollars less in real value now as I make my payments. I am not ashamed to carry a mortgage on property,which has a real value, in any case.
          Besides that the farm in Québec is free and clear. I have a fondness for Kraft dinner also. All told, different road to the same town.

        • Muckbringer says:

          ahh, mtl…dirt cheap

      • Chris says:

        I have a hard time summoning too much sympathy for stock market ups and downs.

        Investments in the stock market are by their very nature risky. People are betting with their money.

        People who get rich off the stock market have done no work. They have simply got lucky and spun money into more money.

        People who get poor off the stock market have done no work. They simply got unlucky and lost.

        I remember the Bre-X scandal a few years ago where shareholders that got shafted were looking for compensation from the government. The argument was that they lost money because of misrepresentation by the company.

        What always bothered me was that the people who speculated and won, those who got out early but weren’t privy to insider information, walked away with tons of money.

        We were asked to pick up the tab for those that got burned by con-men, but where was the attempt to get back the money from those that struck it rich?

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          The stock market is a giant machine nominally set up so that the general population can invest in economic machinery, but which is really geared so that a few insiders make a killing via institutionalized fraud. Kind of like pro sports is wrapped up in grand concepts like tradition and history and civic-mindedness, but it really is a giant hoover vac that sucks money from public coffers and plebes and funnels it into billionaire pockets. It’s an unacknowledged ‘Trickle Up’ economics machine.

          For my training camp surprise, I want the second coming of Mike McPhee. And maybe Kent Carlson.

        • Chrisadiens says:

          Correct me if I’m not on the same page here, but how about Fred Wilpon being sued to reimburse other investors from the Madoff ponzi scheme? Sounds to me like an attempt to get money back from those who strike it rich.

          Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

          • Chris says:

            True enough, but a slightly different case.

            What about getting the money back for those that lost their shirts today from those that made scads over the past year?


            If people don’t want to lose money, they shouldn’t be betting.

          • Chrisadiens says:

            I see your point too. Maybe I’m just a softee, still feel bad for those who lose.

            How ’bout those Habs eh?

            Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • HabFab says:

      Damn kids, the pair of you. 😉

      Now brush your teeth and go to bed!

    • Muckbringer says:

      guess im lucky being 33 and “only” having an ohsd. i should look up my grade 8 physed teacher and thank her for teaching prophylactics instead of french. 12 months and im debt free. if you want, you can “pray” for me to not hear the knock on the door.

    • OneTimer says:

      “Ways you know you are a student or recent grad: the stock market crashes, and you frankly don’t care.” Right there with ya, dude! Although TBH when I start earning real money there’s no way in hell I’ll play the glorified game of roulette that is the stock market.

      EDIT: Just saw your second post on the subject and I agree with it, too.
      EDIT no.2: Grad student? What field?

      • Muckbringer says:

        common sense and avoidence of stupidity were my majors. they were free. hard courses and they never end.

      • Chris says:

        Interdisciplinary PhD. I love to point out to people that for my research, I regularly follow about 60 different journals spanning physics, chemistry, engineering, medicine and biology.

        I feel like I spend my whole life reading bloody research papers. 🙂

        • Muckbringer says:

          awsome! anything applied?

          • Chris says:

            Yep, very applied. Unfortunately, it is also hideously complicated and difficult so progress has been slow.

            I’m not a big fan of purely theoretical research. I liken that to mental masturbation. It is probably necessary for a significant amount of research to be of that variety, but it isn’t for me. I’m usually very aware of who it is that pays my salary, i.e., the taxpayers, and how important it is for those people to get some bang for their buck.

        • OneTimer says:

          OK so sounds like you’re actually a serious academic. I just enjoy the lifestyle and I’m along for the ride 😉 (kidding, mostly)

  16. Chrisadiens says:

    I bet they can fit every Panther fan from Florida in the “No visitors section.”

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  17. Ian Cobb says:

    Today the stock market just put another 15 years of life in my account. That’s how many years longer I have to go now, before I am able to spend anything.

    Oh well, I guess I do get to take it with me after all. Cause I sure as hell not going to give one more red cent to the Government.

  18. HabinBurlington says:

    Calling all Commentariat Veterans and everyone else. So, Punkster earlier provided the proper acronym for the recent Grit movement with the appropriate NAG North American Grit.

    These gems as he put it are great, as they provide full and complete meaning to the ebb and flow of this site.

    This caused me to ask Punkster to provide the full HabsInsideOut Acronym Dictionary. A new Thread is best, so please provide all past GEMs. Of course always room for new ones. Oh crap, battery on laptop dying must go!

    • punkster says:

      Veteran Youth (another H-P tag)

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • longbow says:

        So where is H-P these days ? Is he using a different username? I kinda lost track of who’s who. What does Yeats go by now-a-days ?

        “Wanting is often more pleasurable than having.It is not logical but it is often true.” – Spock

        • Chrisadiens says:

          What about Observer or the guy that deleted his account b/c Price won more than half of his first 20 gms?

          Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • punkster says:

      Doing my best here…

      HI/O – a floating crap game whose name is frequently changed to protect the blog kings (Boone, Stubbs, Mio et al)

      Tank – a term used by some who believe it will guarantee the Lafleur-type draft pick this franchise so desperately needs…also referred to as giving up, knuckling under, laying an egg, turning tail, cutting and running, beating a hasty retreat etc.

      Smurfs (also midgets, wee people, tiny tots) – a derogatory term used to explain the known and proven fact that short people do not make good hockey players…anyone under 6 feet tall and/or 185 lbs.

      Konopka – a Greek term meaning the opposite of smurf…no specific hockey skills required

      Server Issues – used to denote the cause of massive blackouts of HI/O during or immediately after horrendous Habs losses…actual cause believed to be Boone urinating on said servers in a fit of rage following yet another “too many men” penalty

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • HardHabits says:

        So punskter thinks of HH’s repertoire then tries to make his rebuttals seem to be the definitions of these terms. You need to stop giving me so much credit. I know I revolutionized debating at HIO but I couldn’t have done it without everybody’s valuable input.

        Here are some more HIO terms and their meanings:

        ad HIOminem argument – typical HI/O rebuttal, also called personal abuse or personal attacks; usually involves insulting or belittling one’s opponent in order to attack his claim or invalidate his argument

        goon – any player taller than 5’11” who has the ability to score a Gordie Howe hat-trick

        once you make the play-offs anything can happen – an apologists phrase that has made it into the vernacular after years of finishing outside the top 10 and backing into the play-offs, it is the last refuge of the most jaded blue-blanc-rouge lens wearing fan

        blue-blanc-rouge lenses – these are sold at the Bell Centre along with the program, it’s like a 3-D lens only it allows fans to see a perennially middle of the pack team as the greatest franchise in sports history

        V.A.G.Y.N.A – Veteran and Gritty Youth of North America

        speed and skill – a small hockey player

        size and grit – a goon

        outlet pass – otherwise know as wavy hair

        • Chrisadiens says:

          I can’t stop laughing! “V.A.G.Y.N.A” Friggin awesome.

          Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

        • GrimJim says:

          Pricebot – HIO member who believes that the slump is temporary, that tomorrow will be better and all will turn out for the best

          Halakalite – HIO member who believes its time to dump the established and go with the new

          BG – the puppetmaster who may be responsible for restoring the franchise or dooming it

          PG – the acolyte who may be moving out of the puppetmaster’s shadow, or blindly dancing on his strings (depending on whether you agree with his moves or not)

          Koivu vs Kovalev – proof nothing is ever resolved in the HIO family

          MAB – the Holy Grail, the mystical answer to all problems

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Konopka, wasnt he a Mythical greek god, not just a greek term?

      • Chris says:

        Chrislong-winded, sanctimonious know-it-all 😉

        “It is a fact that”“It is my opinion that”

        “You ask any GM’s”“I have no legitimate rebuttal, so I shall summon the power of the 30 mystical GM’s I have never talked to”

        Kool-aid drinkers or people that wear bleu, blanc et rouge coloured glassespeople whose optimistic view of the Habs is clearly wrong, as it is not my own

        doom and gloomers, nay-sayerspeople whose negative view of the Habs is clearly wrong, as it is not my own

        Scott Gomezthe root of all frustration for posters with avatars of Mats Naslund in a Team Sweden jersey

        Chris Higginsthe beneficiary of a completely unexplainable and unjustifiable support by posters with avatars of Mats Naslund in a Team Sweden jersey

        glorious outlet passthat rarest of talents in the NHL universe, it will allow you to be the most discussed/debated player on the team despite a 7th defenceman role

  19. HabinBurlington says:

    So if the Habs stay injury free, Price remains a top 5 goalie in this league, Gomez gets in shape and gets 60 points, Cole plays his usual game, Max Pac recovers and is the power forward we saw prior to injury. All these things are very possible.

    And if these things happen and the Habs win the cup, does this mean suddenly PG and JM are geniuses? I ask this to all the people continually bashing all things about Habs mgmt.

    I don’t disagree the late 90’s and until Gainey came back were an organizational nightmare. However, over the past 5 years this team has been getting stronger in so many areas. We can still get better and hopefully will.

    • Chrisadiens says:

      I really like this team, but the bruins winning it last year has really shook me to the core. Ill give PG/BG/JM 3 years to win it. If they cant win it, Ill be ready for the habs-professor “grit movement” or whatever he calls it. Until then management has my unconditional support.

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

      • punkster says:

        NAG. North American Grit.
        Keep these little gems on file and review them every week or so 😉

        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • Chrisadiens says:

          Haha, yea that’s it. Thanks.

          Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Punkster, any chance you can provide some of us more recent commentariat members with the Full Edition of HabsInsideout Acronym dictionary ? There has to be some Gems from years ago that have dust on em we haven’t heard?

          • punkster says:

            Probably best to have a new thread on the subject. Post a new comment and ask for submissions. Could be fun. Eating corn right now so I’ve messed up my keyboard enough for the moment. I’ll wade in later 🙂

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • HabinBurlington says:

            MMMMmmmmm just picked up a fresh Dozen of Leamington Corn this past weekend, in my opinion the best in Ontario!

          • punkster says:

            Hurley’s. Between St Agatha and Waterloo. Haven’t had it since last year when I was home but it’s my fav.

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • FishOutOfWater says:

          Quit Nagging!

    • The Dude says:

      If everything go the way of your first paragraph, we still get beat up!sorry…no future in torture.

  20. FLAHABFAN says:

    Man, it seems like its been so long since we have seem Markov play. I wasnt so sure about his new contract. But, this morning I watched some of his highlights on youtube and I am stoked and cant wait for him to get back on the ice and healthy. I almost feel bad for losing my memory of how great he can be.

    • AntoineSabourin says:

      If he can stay healthy the whole season he will be in the top 5 defensemen for points total.

      • savethepuck says:

        How about him and PK in the top 10? Possible?

        “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

        • Chris says:

          Subban and Markov have to prove that they can play well together. That’s not necessarily a guaranteed thing: Markov did not like the right-point last time they tried him there (although part of that was that he was asked to shoot more).

          Subban is a good passer, but he is no Markov. Markov on the right takes away the cross-ice passes to Cammalleri for one-timers, as well as the back-door goals that Markov is so good at from the left side.

          I wonder if they will change their formation a little, whether it would be feasible to move Markov into the middle of the ice and have Subban to his left and Cammalleri to his right for one-timers.

          • AntoineSabourin says:

            That is a good point. Nothing better than seeing Markov on the powerplay passing across ice to Cammalleri and him scoring on one knee. Than, yes, the notorious shaking fist in celebration.

            I miss hockey.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Fla, I even missed it the first time round. Live in Ireland, very hard to get games on tv til the last two seasons – it seemed like the only time I saw him he was going down. If you had a moment, could you recommend some links?

  21. RetroMikey says:

    Anybody help me find a RBK Womens Habs Pink Jerseys Size medium in the Quebec area?
    Like to get one for the Mrs. and I’ve tried everywhere online.
    Anybody know a place in the Quebec area where they probably have an abundance of these cute jerseys?

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  22. JD_ says:

    What the eff did I miss?

    • Jonnyboy says:

      PK with 20 goals….sure, that’s likely.

      • savethepuck says:

        Getting 14 last year and the large majority of that was in the second half. If you don’t think he can get 20, you must be saying you don’t think he’s still improving at 21 years old ( Edit: he turned 22 in May). I would have to strongly disagree.

        “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

  23. Say Ash says:

    Anybody seen Cole t-shirts yet? Can’t find any online.

    • Cardiac says:

      They’re selling them at a sports store at Carrefour Angrignon.

      Also, you can probably get them at the Bell Centre boutique?

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

  24. Feraco says:

    Sign Carey Price for 5 yrs @ $25 million + a golden Cowboy Hat.

    Molson Ex mon ami

  25. Chris says:

    Ah, the annual Koivu convention. I’m in, and with a tome to boot.

    1) The closest comparable to Saku Koivu is Mats Naslund.

    For both Koivu and Naslund, the jersey retirement critics points to lack of championships and less than stellar stats. They were both somewhat small, came from Northern Europe (although I’m sure both would appreciate if we say they aren’t from the same place!) and had the misfortune of coming along at the wrong time. Naslund caught the tail end of Robinson and Gainey’s careers and caught the start of Patrick Roy’s career. He had a strong supporting cast of players like Chris Chelios, Bobby Smith, Guy Carbonneau, Claude Lemieux, Petr Svoboda, Rick Green, Ryan Walter, Stephane Richer and Shayne Corson, all of whom had great careers (and Hall of Fame or likely Hall of Fame careers in the case of Chelios, Carbonneau and Roy).

    But Naslund only won 1 Stanley Cup and his career was a little on the short side…just 8 seasons. He is currently 12th all time on the team’s scoring list, despite being surrounded by a much stronger supporting cast than Koivu in a much higher scoring era. There has long been talk that perhaps Naslund’s number could be retired, but I think the consensus is that it won’t be. And as such, it makes a harder case for Koivu.

    2) Saku Koivu sits #10 on the Habs all time scoring list, just a smidge ahead of the great Elmer Lach.

    Lach played his peak years with Maurice Richard (#4) and Toe Blake (#19) on the famed Punch Line, and it has to be noted that this was also an era when the talent pool in the NHL was at an all-time low due to World War II. Lach and Blake are probably the two closest to Koivu in terms of the quality of their teammates, and they STILL were part of the most offensively devastating trio in NHL history. Bert Olmstead, a young Bernie Geoffrion, Butch Bouchard were the supporting cast, and they had very good goaltenders in Gerry McNeil and Bill Durnan.

    The long parallel careers of Jean Beliveau (#2) and Henri Richard (#3) sat in the Montreal Canadiens glory years. And no wonder…they were supported by superlative talents like Bernie Geoffrion (#9), Dickie Moore (#13), Claude Provost (#14), Bobby Rousseau (#20), Ralph Backstrom (#21) and Doug Harvey (#27). Throw in stalwart supporting players like Jacques Laperriere, Dollard St. Laurent, Jean-Guy Talbot, Tom Johnson, John Ferguson, Dick Duff, J.C. Tremblay and a young Yvon Cournoyer or old Frank Mahovolich plus legendary goaltenders (Jacques Plante, Gump Worseley) and you’ve got a team that was so ridiculously stacked with talent that one should really ask how they ever lost in those days.

    #1 on the list is the great Guy Lafleur, who played on a stacked 1970’s Montreal Canadiens team that featured Larry Robinson (#5), Yvan Cournyer (#6), Jacques Lemaire (#7), Steve Shutt (#8), Mario Tremblay (#15), Guy Lapointe (#16), Peter Mahovolich (#17), Bob Gainey (#22) and Pierre Mondou (#26). Serge Savard, Doug Risebrough, Rejean Houle and Yvon Lambert provided a stellar supporting cast, and they had one of the game’s legendary goalies in Ken Dryden. Again, how did they actually lose any Stanley Cups in that era?

    Take any SINGLE one of those guys out of THAT environment and plunk them onto the talent deficient Montreal Canadiens teams of 1995-2005 or 1930-1944 and see how those numbers look. I think most of us would agree that they take a nose-dive. That does not diminish their individual greatness…it just means that to realize that greatness, they needed to play with similarly great players. Similarly, throw a player of Koivu’s calibre onto those great Habs teams of the 50’s, 60’s or 70’s and I suspect you see a much higher rate of production.

    Koivu’s best teammates during his prime were Andrei Markov, Martin Rucinsky, Richard Zednik, Brian Savage and Patrice Brisebois and, at the tail end of his time in Montreal, he finally got some talent in the form of Plekanec, Kovalev, Kostitsyn, Higgins and Ryder. But none of those guys, not even Kovalev, elicit the kind of awe that was routinely found on the teams of yester-year, guys who succeeded no matter where they were. He also had the misfortune of being a speedy play-maker at his peak in an era where the clutch-and-grab of the Dead-Puck Era made that style very ineffective.

    3) Montreal fans are spoiled.

    At some point, people have to get over the Stanley Cup champion entitlement. It is not a 6-team league anymore. All players are drafted, so you can’t get teams with the most money and best administration going out and signing whoever they could. Most of the Canadiens’ legends were never drafted…it was a different era, and the Canadiens management managed the rules of that era better than anybody else. There is no chance you assemble a team like those teams of the 50’s, 60’s or 70’s in today’s NHL. The scouting around the league is simply too good.

    4) Yes, I think Koivu SHOULD have his number retired. But he won’t, and I’m okay with that.

    The NHL stats aren’t there. But I will gladly point to his international successes: captain of a Finnish team that was not short on leadership (Selanne, Numminen, Lehtinen). Some perspective first…Koivu was playing for a national team representing a country whose population was just over 5.3 million, about 2/3 of the population of Quebec.

    He averaged more than a point per game over 4 Olympics, helping Finland win 3 bronze medals and 1 silver medal. Again, some perspective…that is 4 medals in 4 attempts (he missed 2002 due to his cancer treatment, and Finland slumped to 6th place). In those same Olympics, Canada (with 6 times the population and a hockey-mad culture) has won 1 gold medal and 1 silver medal.

    He averaged more than a point per game over 7 World Championships, helping Finland win 1 gold medal, 2 silver medals and 1 bronze medal over that time period.

    He averaged just under a point per game in 2 World Cups of Hockey, helping Finland to a silver medal behind the host Canadians in 2004.

    And he averaged just under a point per game in the NHL playoffs over his long career and was routinely the best Montreal Canadiens player.

    When the going got tough, Saku Koivu was usually there. When surrounded with appropriate talent, Koivu performed at a level beyond most of his NHL peers.

    He was the face of the franchise for over a decade, and he served with determination, class and undeniable courage in the face of adversity like few of his peers ever had to face.

    Older fans can have their Stanley Cup wins. I will gladly trade all 24 Stanley Cup victories, including the two I’ve had the pleasure of watching, for that one magical night when a gaunt, bald Finn came back from a terrible disease and inspired his team, his teammates and hockey fans all over the world.

    • Willy says:

      What a great post. Bravo!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Well written, well thought out. You do know that Saku is looking for a new agent right? LOL.

      Nice post.

    • Jordio-oh says:


      Well done Chris (again).

    • HardHabits says:

      1) No comparison. Naslund wasn’t a centre nor was he thrust into the role of captain early in his career. Naslund was a complimentary player, Koviu was the man. You are right about Naslund’s number not being retired though.

      2) People say Koivu should always be remembered but for what really? A bunch of coulda, shoulda and wouldas. That was his lot in Habs history. The little team that couldn’t led by the little Finn who couldn’t either. It’s more of an indictment against management than anything else. Too bad Koivu wasn’t surrounded by talent both on the ice and in upper management. He might be #10 on the all time scoring list but he’s nowhere on the Stanley Cup winners list and that is the only list that counts.

      3) Wow. So it’s the fans fault. The Habs are spoiled if you ask me. To be playing in the hottest hockey market in the planet.

      4) This is where you enter crazy talk. Sports is not about how losers over came adversity to be defeated once more. Koivu returns from cancer and wins the Cup and maybe we’re talking something for the ages. As it stands, I would rather a Cup than the triumphant return. This is what really annoys me about the Koivu gang. I hate to break it to you but the standing ovation was Montreal’s gift, not Koivu’s. And that is another thing that bugs me about the Koivu era. It was all about him. There was no team really. It might have well been called the Montreal Saku Koivu’s.

      It’s not his fault. The team was poorly managed. I certainly don’t advocate hating Koivu but seriously think people need to step back a bit about his place in Habs history. He is his era. Look at any other team that won the Cup and it’s a cast not a lead that won it and made the story.

      • Chris says:

        1) Naslund was a left-wing, but he was a play-maker from that position. So the comparison is not as unseemly as you might think. And Naslund vied with Bobby Smith for the scoring lead every year he played. He was a consensus pick as one of the top-5 LW’s in hockey during the 1980’s (together with Joe Mullen, Michel Goulet, Luc Robitaille and Gerard Gallant). How is that complimentary?

        3) No, it is not the fans “fault”. But be realistic. Claims like “Stanley Cup victories are the only list that matters” are puerile. Did Ray Bourque only become an NHL legend when he won his lone Stanley Cup with Colorado in 2000? Of course not. Using Stanley Cup victories as the sole judge of player ability or worth to a franchise is being disingenuous.

        4) Sports is all about losing. There are 30 teams in the league, only 1 winner. Henrik Sedin, Joe Thornton, Mats Sundin, Daniel Alfredsson, Eric Lindros….these were all great players, players that will be remembered in hockey history long after we’ve forgotten players like Kris Draper, Kirk Maltby or Mike Keane, good role players who happened to be in the right place at the right time.

        We both agree that the management wasted a very fine player’s career. I disagree that it was “all about Koivu” while he was here. How could it be, when earlier today you were busy telling us all how little much of the fan base cared about Koivu?

        You’re not making sense here, HH.

    • The Dude says:

      “People have to get over their Stanley Cup entitlement,lol”
      For every team and every player and every Fan involved with N.H.L. hockey, it’s ABOUT WINNING THE CUP ! It’s everything ,period.

      • HardHabits says:

        Returning from cancer to a standing ovation is what all little boys dream of when playing street hockey.

        • Chris says:

          What can I say?

          For those of us who had loved ones die of cancer while we were relatively young, Saku Koivu was a pretty inspirational guy. I knew that I would never play in the NHL while I was playing street hockey. But watching a guy fight a form of cancer that had a 50% mortality rate, watch him come back and lead his team to an improbable upset of the Bruins in the first round and then watch that guy give back to the community to help others recover from their own disease…yep, that is something I can get behind.

          If his return didn’t do it for you, that is your prerogative.

          • HardHabits says:

            What Koivu did was inspirational but it’s outside the realm of sports and is not the reason the game is played. Give him a Lady Bing trophy and move on. The point of the matter is that night was special mostly because of the reception he was accorded. Take away the fans and it’s a moment whose impact would have been greatly lessened.

      • Chris says:

        Right. So you don’t watch the Habs because they don’t win Cups.

        It has nothing to do with civic pride?
        It has nothing to do with the history of the team?
        It has nothing to do with growing attached to favourite players?
        It has nothing to do with liking the way a particular organization does things?

        Montreal has won squat since 1993. We have a generation of kids who have never seen a Stanley Cup victory. Yet there they are, cheering their team on more loudly and more purely than we jaded adults.

        Winning a Stanley Cup is a privilege, it is a dream come true and it is magical. My comment was that the older generation of Habs fans, those that grew up with the team in the 60’s and 70’s, grew spoiled by an unrealistic string of success and have unrealistic expectations for the team.

        There isn’t a Habs fan alive that doesn’t cheer for the team to win the Stanley Cup every year. But that doesn’t mean we can’t separate the disappointment associated with the team’s lack of success from our love of individual players who represented all the qualities we look for in our professional athletes.

        • Neutral says:

          Habs management don’t have the smarts like management of years gone by that’s why we’re not winning cups anymore.

          • Chris says:

            That, and it is a lot harder.

            You need to get stupid lucky sometimes too.

            Look at some of the stacked teams that haven’t been able to win. Detroit’s record-breaking team of the mid 1990’s got swept in the Finals.

            Washington seems well on its way to following the lead of San Jose and Ottawa of teams that probably should have won but didn’t.

            We give Sam Pollock credit, but realistically, the writing was on the wall for the blowup of the early 1980’s. He was able to make shrewd deals in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s because he had so many assets. He was able to lose great players like Rogatien Vachon and Tony Esposito for relatively little because of what he built up in franchise depth during the 1960’s.

            Flash forward 10 years. He steps down, an overmatched Irving Grundman takes over, but that team was on the precipice. Pollock couldn’t save them, and his drafting record in the late 1970’s was good, but hardly legendary. The best guy (or pair) from each draft are listed below…

            1973: Bob Gainey
            1974: Doug Risebrough, Mario Tremblay
            1975: Brian Engblom, Pierre Mondou
            1976: Ron Wilson
            1977: Mark Napier, Rod Langway
            1978: Keith Acton, Chris Nilan

            Gainey was obviously a legend. Langway could have been a pillar, and that trade probably was a mistake (although Walter and Green would be key cogs in the rebuilt Habs that were a solid contender throughout the mid-late 1980’s).

            But the rest of the list above were guy who were ultimately role players. Pollock didn’t find that guy to pick up the torch that had been passed unfailingly from Richard/Lach/Blake to Beliveau/Richard/Moore/Harvey to Cournoyer/Lafleur/Savard/Robinson/Lapointe.

            It was actually Pollock’s drafting from 1973-78, when the rest of the league caught up to the fact that the draft was critical to success, that set the team’s demise in motion.

            Ever since then, there have been pockets of good drafting by the Habs, just like every other team. But there isn’t a single team in the league that can claim to have drafted consistently well over the past couple of decades.

            Detroit is the oft-mentioned example, but only because they got unbelievably stupid lucky with back-to-back homerun picks in Datsyuk and Zetterberg in the late 1990’s, stretching the success they enjoyed when they got Fedorov (who knew that he would defect?), Konstantinov (who knew that the Wall would come down and free him up to come over) and Lidstrom (who knew he would be so amazing?) in the late 1980’s.

        • The Dude says:

          Winning the Stanley cup is not a privilege in the N.H.L. it’s the job and goal, thus everything else follows….all the perks ! This is not the W.W.F or a Globe Trotters game! And the fact that 19 year old Hab fans are walking around never witnessing their beloved Habs winning the point of all this, proves some G.M.’S and Owners we’re real bad at what they do when it concerns the only legendary 24 cup team that matters too me. I am jadednessly hoping and demanding for Les Canadiens du Montreal too once again be in the Winners circle where they belong.

    • twilighthours says:

      And he captained the most pathetic and heartless Habs’ team of my lifetime: the 2008-09 team.

      • Chris says:

        And he captained the 2001-02 Montreal Canadiens past the Bruins in the first round, leading the team to its first ever comeback from a 3-1 series deficit in franchise history.

        You can let one bad year (one that included a ton of mitigating factors) stain a guy’s career, or you can focus on the other 14 seasons of being widely recognized as one of the game’s great leaders.

    • Neutral says:

      Chris – Best post I’ve read on this site

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Good post.

      Just one point though – the bar to having your number retired by the Habs is set higher than that for entry into the hockey hall of fame. E.g. Lemaire, Shutt, Laperriere, Lapointe are all in the Hall but have not had their numbers retired.

      Recchi (yuk) and Chelios will both go to the Hall but will not have their Habs numbers retired. If Chelios had played his entire career here (sob) then maybe number 24 would go up.

      On any other team Saku would have a case.

      • Chris says:

        I don’t deny that.

        But I think the bar is not necessarily what or where people think it is.

        Lemaire, Shutt, Laperriere, etc. all have the statistics, the Stanley Cup rings and the Hall of Fame entry. But none of them were ever perceived to be the heart and the face of the franchise.

        The face(s) of the franchise in just about every era HAVE been recognized.

        Howie Morenz from the 1920’s and early 1930’s. (And Aurel Joliat, although that seems to have disappeared, which needs to be rectified).

        Elmer Lach, Emile Bouchard and Maurice Richard from the 1940’s.

        Jean Beliveau, Dickie Moore, Bernie Geoffrion, Doug Harvey and Jacques Planted from the 1950’s/60’s.

        Yvan Cournoyer from the 1960’s/70’s.

        Serge Savard, Ken Dryden and Guy Lafleur from the 1970’s.

        Bob Gainey and Larry Robinson from the 1970’s/80’s.

        Patrick Roy from the 1980’s/90’s.

        The only eras with no recognized players are the late 1930’s, when the team was in a similar fashion to today’s Habs and their biggest star was probably Toe Blake, and of course the current years.

        I do think Blake should be retired, although much of that will be for his coaching. Nonetheless, he was a great player stuck in a bad era.

        From the mid 1990’s to today, the only candidates realistically are Koivu or Andrei Markov. I agree the bar is set high and that neither will get there, but I do think an argument can be made.

        • The Dude says:

          Cris ….Lemaire is just as big as most of the face’s you mention and too deny this is an insult and very poor judgment or deduction imo….his true greatness is exemplified in his 2nd career as a nhl coach. To dismiss the man as anything but awesome is a joke in all levels that the worst part of a joke can be !Without Lemaire = 0 cups !

          • Chris says:

            Every player on a team is important. The 1993 Stanley Cup win is often said to be solely due to Patrick Roy.

            But if Eric Desjardins doesn’t score a hat trick in Game 2, it’s probably a different story.

            If Mike Keane doesn’t hang 15 points in 19 games on the opposition while shutting down their top players, no Stanley Cup.

            Do the Habs win without the heroics of John Leclair, Paul DiPietro or Benoit Brunet? Probably not.

            If you are trying to equate Jacques Lemaire to Guy Lafleur, Larry Robinson or Ken Dryden in terms of profile, then no…we can’t agree. But I certainly won’t disagree that he was equally important.

            We don’t immortalize the important players, with the notable exception of Bob Gainey. We immortalize the players that personified the franchise in the eyes of the fanbase and the league as a whole. Jacques Lemaire was a great hockey player. But he was not the face of those teams.

    • krob1000 says:

      Ditto….much more eloquently put then my little abck and forth earlier….
      some key points though that need to be remembered…
      1.Wayne Gretzky couldn;t win a cup without his all star cast in Edmonton.
      2. Stan Smyl, Bernie Federko, Ken Daneyko, Glen Wesley, Mike Vernon, Dave Taylor, Brian Sutter, Thomas Steen, Marc Tardif, Rick LEy, Cam Neely, Teppo Numminen, Rene Robert, Barcaly Plager, Yvon ALbre, Dale Hunter …just to name a few retired numbers…but I forgot the older generation of hab fans (some of them anyway) think we are somehow better than everybody based on our successes from decades ago in a diff’t landscape…..sounds alot like the Leafs.
      We are now only behind Toronto of the original six in cup droughts. Ironically the Leafs are the second winningest franchise and closest comparable given they have a bazillion cups decades ago too…..they don’t retire numbers though…they honour them…same shit diff’t pile. But the LEafs have “honoured” Wendel Clark and Doug Gilmour ….sad to say but the Leafs were able to acknowledge what those guys did for a generation despite having no cups…..

    • OneTimer says:

      You don’t know me, but nice post my friend. I really got into the Habs about 3 seasons ago, so I never really realized what kind of a player Koivu was when I was younger. You educated me on that subject today. 🙂

  26. savethepuck says:

    Anyone know when this season”s individual tickets go on sale?

    “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Usually around mid-September

      • savethepuck says:

        Thanks a lot. I’ll keep tuning in to the Habs website, but I’m sure someone will post it on here before I see it there.

        “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Pretty crazy that a couple tickets in the reds, a hotel and dinner in Montreal is only a bit cheaper than a week in the Caribbean…

      Slight exaggeration but not far off. 🙂

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Dale ! We got group price tickets for the HIO summit and preseason tickets for Dallas and Buffalo games.

      Not going to the Summit this year from N.B.??

      • savethepuck says:

        Was interested in the Summit Ian, but me and my brother are going to do a Montreal trip together. December or January are better for us with work comittments.

        “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

  27. SmartDog says:

    5 THINGS I’m most looking forward to this year:
    1. Seeing MaxPac play, and hopefully be the same player he was (after a few weeks/months to get his rhythm and confidence).
    2. Seeing this Yemelin guy. Hope he’s as tough as advertised.
    3. Seeing Price and PK continue to mature, and dominate their positions.
    4. Seeing my man Plekanec with his new buddy Cole and hopefully Cami do their thing.
    5. Seeing Gomez come to training camp in great shape, and start the year with confidence and playing with more consistency and effectiveness than we’ve seen. I’m serious about this. I think it’s possible. I’ve decided to take him at his word about last season and give him a chance to live up to his words. It may be very interesting.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      It will be an interesting year. It always is.

      On the Gomez thing I think that is all we can do is hope for the best. What is considered a success with him? 60 points? I am not being sarcastic I am asking what people thing is reasonable

      • SmartDog says:

        about 60 points and generally not avoiding tough spots – more sacrifice, fewer blind dishes

        People think I “hate” Gomez. I don’t. I accept he’ll never be a dominant player. But when a guy like that doesn’t come to camp ready to start the year, takes nights off and generally plays his own little game instead of the team game (stupid blind passes, lazy back-checking)… THAT I hate with a passion and his contract (rightly) makes me hate it more. Hoping his awakening is genuine and he’ll be better prepared with a better effort and fewer excuses all year long.

      • Chris says:

        Realistically, 45-55 points from Gomez would be a good season. If Plekanec can be considered a legitimate #1 centre with a 57 point season, as many argue he should be based on his two-way play, I have a hard time boosting my expectations too high for Gomez.

        When you factor in that he gets second-wave PP time behind Plekanec/Cammalleri/Gionta, his numbers have to take a dive from his historical average of 55 points while being the #1 centre and getting first-wave PP time.

    • showey47 says:

      6. not seeing moen or darche playing in the top 6

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      1-4 definitely.

      5 – I see you’re allowing outlandish fantasies that have no chance of ever happening. In that case I choose:

      5. See the Habs lift the Stanley cup, while I am receiving news that a long lost uncle has died and left me a fortune, while also having sex with the entire cast of Sorority Coeds vol. 29.

      Oh and also Gary Bettman slips on the ice after handing the cup to Brian Gionta, and hits his head.

      There would also be some raw oysters, that poutine from Joliette and some Bollinger Grande Année.

    • savethepuck says:

      I agree on all points, but will add Markov being back to where he was 3 years ago along with the maturity we saw from Eller and DD the last half of the season continuing. If all of these things pan out, habsnation will have a very enjoyable 2011-12 season.

      “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

    • Timo says:

      I agree on Gomez. I think he will improve and score 9 goals this season and will reduce his minus statistic by 2 points. Habs will be so impressed they will give him a bonus.

    • punkster says:

      Number 5… 🙂

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • dasbooth says:

      After Basu’s article last week I’ve been thinking (and remembering) AK46 and Eller combo. They had some chemistry last year and I am excited to see what that 3rd line can produce. Assuming they are put together as we seem to be predicting.

      “Shutouts are really more of a team stat” – Carey Price

    • Ian Cobb says:

      This is going to be a great year to be a Hab’s fan Rob!
      Please no serious injuries and we will be fighting for top spot.

  28. The Dude says:

    Saku Koivu conversation making the rounds again,I’ll bite..Here’s how I see it.Saku is one tough lil sob that gave his all, but because of his small stature got hurt lots in his career and the then during all this beat cancer”which took more out of him combined with father time.I believe Saku would of had a great career with a bigger ,tougher team but alas had too make due with an organization who cashed in on it’s winning history and wouldn’t or couldn’t get it’s dots in line to build
    too another championship run in it’s future. That being said and the fact that the Canadiens were a huge source of french pride in Quebec”which was needed, after all even the peoples of France thought of them as their Hillbilly distant cousins” the frustrations of the populous about this very important cultural icon led to a lot of bad press. The fact that Les Canadiens du Montreal still hasn’t figured out it’s importance to the francophone culture in the last 19 years and how important it is to try and grab the best of Quebecs hockey players “french or english” has been a major source of francofan displeasure and I can’t blame them…can you?

    • Sakus Evil Twin says:

      I would say that the majority of Habs fans, Franco or Anglo want a winning team. Period.

      In a league of 30 teams, there is no reason why the Canadiens should have first dibs on home grown talent any more.

      Football is followed massively in Quebec but Calvillo doesn’t get anywhere near the same manufactured pressure that English speaking captains of the Canadiens have received.

      On Saku:

      I was in the crowd the night Koivu came back… it was significant for a number of reasons:

      – Obviously Koivus return
      – The Habs secured their playoff berth for the first time in 4 seasons
      – Craig Rivet scored. And then threw himself at Koivu as he sat on the bench.

      That evening makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up just thinking about it…

      Koivu was not only respected by his teammates, but by (most of) the rest of the world for his professionalism, and his never say die attitude. The fact that he beat his cancer and brought a ton of positivity off the ice adds to his story but doesn’t, in my opinion, eclipse who was or how he inspired the everyman for 11 years in a game where short term visibility is the norm.

      Does this mean that Koivus jersey will one day be retired? I don’t know… but there’s still a lot of love for Saku in this town.

      No answers, just opinions. Bite me. Och.

    • PrimeTime says:

      Draft, develop, trade for the best players that suit the team… matter where they are from. If whiney Quebecer’s don’t like it then “separate” themselves to another interest.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      To me Saku is still a good player. He was never elite but he is/was good. He isn’t doing to bad out in California either.

      He did have over 70 points for us a couple of times and one time over 60 but usually falls between 50 and 60 points. That is not too bad.

      I wish him well. He worked his butt of for this team and is a class act.

      Hey sure made Ryder and Higgins look better than they were

  29. Chrisadiens says:


    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  30. Hobie Hansen says:

    So Ryan White is often listed as a centerman. I don’t claim to have followed him closely during his days in Hamilton so i can’t confirm what position he played there but was obviously happy with his play after he was called up and played on the wing last season in Montreal.

    Is there a possibility that he’ll be centering a line 4th line with Moen and Darche next season?

    Also, does anyone think Blunden, who does have some NHL experience and some size, could see any 4th line duty with the big club?

  31. Rudy says:

    BTW, say Cowboys and Aliens last night, SKIP IT, it is so bad, people started leaving the theatre before it was over.

    • habs03 says:

      I feel asleep, same with Captain America.
      The Smurfs >>> Cowboys and Aliens & Captain America, no joke

      • kitbeyer says:

        Whoa whoa whoa, I thought our American captain was one of “the smurfs.” And I’m not really sure how you can say “the smurfs” are >>> than our cowboy goalie, he pretty much stole the show last year. Also not sure how you can compare any of these guys to Alain Berger who hasn’t even made pro yet.

        What? Oh…

        • krob1000 says:

          I really liked Captain America…not as good as Iron Man but better than most of the SuperHero movies I thought….I am actaully really looking forward to the Avengers…Cowboys and Aliens? what would possess you to even think that would be good? The Smurfs..won’t se it until we probably buy it as my mother in law is taking my kids to it…not exactly too bummed out about that!!
          Surprised to hear that about Captain America…it went over really well att eh showing I was at…I heard people al the way out talking about how great it was.

          • habs03 says:

            I think my problem with Captain America and Aliens and Cowboys was the trailers were so good that the movie left me disappointed

          • Bugs says:

            Fell asleep during Cap America???
            Cap better than Iron Man.
            More story. More action. More portent. Better dialogue. Better supporting cast. Superior Climax. In fact, best last 20 mins of a flick I seen all year; everything “Sky Cap and World of Tomorrow” shoulda been, imo.
            Oh, and best Marvel film bad guy all across the board.
            “If zey shoot down von off our planes, hundreds more vill rain FIRE UPON ZEM! Cut off von off our heads.., two more shall arise…
            Hail Hydra.”
            – “Hail Hydra! HAIL HYDRA! HAIL HYDRA!!!”
            Damn, you missed the best part, Trey. I was friggin SNAPPIN in glee. I was ready to join, man. I wanted to be in Hydra.
            The war bond scene alone trumps the whole of Iron Man in its efficiency to portray the character as an icon.
            On record: Cap num2 behind Spidey2 for best Marvel movie ever.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • Bugs says:

      It’s not great, but it was better than I expected it to be.
      Hey, I bought in to the sci-fi aspect, and that makes up 80% of the pic.
      But it’s not great.
      Don’t intend to buy on DVD/Blu-ray, fersure.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  32. Ian Cobb says:

    Phil McKelvey—–Call me ASAP—-Tickets–Ian–at 613-968-9807

  33. Ian Cobb says:

    Some of the intelligent Quebec media are pissed that Gionta can not speak Finish or English, He only speaks American. Off with his head!!!

  34. Everlasting1 says:

    Even I would rank the Habs at #4 or 5 in the weak East.

    “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • Chrisadiens says:

      Not trying to start anything, i really am curious. but where would you put your St louis blues?

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

      • Everlasting1 says:

        The same in the West.

        “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  35. punkster says:

    The whole Koivu versus Kovalev discussion just boils down to a few personal things for me.

    Koivu was probably the right captain for the series of mediocre teams he lead. He’s calm, intense, hard working, focused, a battler and he seemed to be respected by most of his team mates. I don’t know nor do I care about retired jerseys or who wears what number, it’s what’s under the jersey I care about. The night of his return from treatments will forever bring tears to my eyes.

    Kovalev’s entire career was a series of astounding highlight reel moves, shots and goals inter spaced with dumbfounding lackadaisical plays, shifts or games. He was worth the price of admission if you were willing to fork out the cash for a ticket and gamble that “this night” would be his night. He had a way of bringing you out of your seat. The night he laid out Tucker will forever bring tears to my eyes.

    There. My two cents. They’re gone. I move on.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • krob1000 says:

      move on to what lol..there is nothing going on so I’d rather have Koivu retire battle 74 lol
      ps…that Kovy elbow was definiteyl one of the best HAb moments ever….but not anywhere on par with Koivu returning from cancer….not even close.

      • HardHabits says:

        That’s my point entirely. We as Habs fans don’t have much else to grasp onto except Koivu’s Return from Cancer and Kovalev’s Elbow on Tucker. Those years are as much buried to the history books as are the ’73 Cup win and are not that much fresher in my memory.

        I have moved on as well. And that was my initial point. Harping on what if’s serves no purpose. Might as well sigh over the (deleted) you passed up 10 years ago.

        • Cardiac says:

          “Might as well sigh over the (deleted) you passed up 10 years ago.”

          When I look at these CEGEP girls… if I knew then what I know now…

          “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
          – Jerry Maguire

    • habaddict_andy says:

      I double Koivu’s return from treatment.

      Go! Hockey! Go!

    • myron.selby says:

      Anyone who tries to tell you the fans didn’t love Koivu, never saw the night he returned after his cancer treatment. The fans refused to stop cheering for so long it was nuts.

      And anyone who thinks Koivu had to take a back seat to Kovalev in the skills department never watched him before his injuries forced him to change his game. The year he blew his knee out I had him in my hockey pool. I can’t remember the exact numbers but it was somewhere around the 25 or 30 game mark. He had just scored to move into a tie with Selanne for first in the scoring race when he got hurt. He was averaging (I think) close to 1.5 pts/game when he went down.

      He was so fast and could turn on a dime, setting up plays that shouldn’t even have existed. If he hadn’t gotten hurt he would have been in the top 10 scorers for 10 years. Because of his incredible speed, defenses had started giving him more room which just made him that much more dangerous.

      With his work ethic & will to win he would have been something to see. Ah well – woulda, coulda, shoulda.

      And as for his personal characteristics – here’s a guy who worked tirelessly for charity, overcame cancer and never quit. He was down to earth and a wonderful interview.

      There are lots of things I disagree with HardHabits about and just shrug and shine them on. But on this one, he is doing a serious history revision. Koivu was one of the classiest players to ever wear the CH.

      • Bugs says:

        Maybe we can ask Double-H to testify whether or not everyone crammin the Bell that night was anglophone.
        Not one francophone in the bunch. Or maybe so few that their boos (surely) were overwhelmed by all the English love.
        Only way to explain it.
        Ask Double-H. He knows.

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • HardHabits says:

          You seem to forget how fickle that crowd is. The same crowd that boo’d Roy off the ice or gave it to Price a few years back. I guess those were all anglos too.

          Nowhere other than at HIO do I hear anybody going on about Koivu or about how they’d like to have him back. In fact I hear quite the opposite, whenever that rare conversation rears it’s ugly head.

          It does seem to be popular here though.

          • Propwash says:

            I recall the crowd giving Koivu a standing O as a Duck.

          • Bugs says:

            Ohhhhh, so though they cheered, they didn’t actually MEAN it, ohhh, ok, I get it.
            See? I told you Double-H could testify.
            Cuz he knows the people better than what evidence we see with our own eyes.
            Thanks, Double-H.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • Ian Cobb says:

        I am with you MYRON!
        Good post

    • G-Man says:

      I always thought that Corson losing the captaincy by 1 vote set Koivu up for failure. The room was divided then and remained that way until Koivu left.
      Management tried to make him the #1 center by trading away Damphousse and later Turgeon. Both of these trades were BIG mistakes. The Roy giveaway- including Keane was Collosal in its stupidity. Later, trading away Leclair (2 Stanley Cup Final OT goals and Desjardins (a hat trick in a Stanley Cup Final game) for Recchi was the icing on the shit cake. The Habs were doomed for years and the drafting never turned out any players of note.

    • dasbooth says:

      I was thinking the exact same thing (wither regards to the elbow on Tucker being one of my favorite Kovy moments).

      Here is the link if anyone cares to enjoy.

      “Shutouts are really more of a team stat” – Carey Price

    • Sakus Evil Twin says:

      I was in the crowd the night Koivu came back… it was significant for a number of reasons:
      – Obviously Koivus return
      – The Habs secured their playoff berth for the first time in 4 seasons
      – Craig Rivet scored. And then threw himself at Koivu as he sat on the bench.

      That evening makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up just thinking about it…

      Koivu was not only respected by his teammates, but by (most of) the rest of the world for his professionalism, and his never say die attitude. The fact that he beat his cancer and brought a ton of positivity off the ice adds to his story but doesn’t, in my opinion, eclipse who was or how he inspired the everyman for 11 years in a game where short term visibility is the norm.

      Kovalev doesn’t even factor in the same discussion.

      Does this mean that Koivus jersey will one day be retired? I don’t know… but there’s still a lot of love for Saku in this town.

      No answers, just opinions. Bite me. Och.

      • avatar_58 says:

        I don’t get why fans feel that not retiring a jersey is a slight. As if NO ONE else can wear #11 without suggesting Koivu was useless.

        What a load of caca. Koivu won’t be forgotten just because he isn’t in the rafters

        • Stuck_in_To. says:

          I agree with you but, at the same time, I think the very circumstances of Koivu’s career (injuries and lack of a team around him) are the very things that propel him into deserving sweater retirement given how he handled it all and what he gave back to the community in terms of on-ice effort and off-ice conduct and contribution.

          Koivu will continue to inspire and factor into Habs discussions. That is the point.

  36. Marc10 says:

    Ranking the East:

    1. Was
    2. Bos
    3. MTL
    4. Pitt
    5. NYR
    6. TB
    7. Buf
    8. NYI

    9. NJ
    10. Philly
    11. Car
    12. Jets
    13. Laffs
    14. Flo
    15. Ott

  37. ktronlondon says:

    Just got my tickets for Season opener vs the Leafs… OCT 6th only 62 days away!!!


  38. HardHabits says:

    People still harping about Koivu and Kovalev. What is so hard to understand? Kovalev was adored by the fans. Koivu wasn’t.

    I have no regrets about the Habs not re-signing either Koivu or Kovalev, even though the Habs got nothing in exchange for their departure, except of course for a unified locker room.

    So please. Get over Koivu. His number wont be retired, unless Gomez wins two Cups as a Hab.

    • shiram says:

      Koivu I can understand, he is still putting up decent numbers, though his linemates might have something to do with that.

      Kovalev, well his expiry date seems to have past in the NHL.

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • HardHabits says:

        Kovalev’s NHL expiry date has past for a while now but I think it soured prematurely because of a broken Habs heart.

        As for Koivu, he had to go. People who surmise about him being on the team are far removed from having a pulse on the local fan base in this city.

        But it’s not about what the fans want. The team’s character and identity needed a reboot which couldn’t have happened with Koivu on the team. It’s not about the numbers. It’s about the team’s identity.

        If however you look at the team’s numbers as opposed to an individual player’s numbers, the team is way better off now than it ever was, except for a brief blip, during the Koivu years.

    • habaddict_andy says:

      Sorry Hardy, but Koivu was a class ack and many loved him here except few Bill 101 police here in Quebec. He had a big heart and loved to play in Montreal when we sucked really bad. I do not disagree with him not being here but to dish him as if he did not mean anything to Montreal is just wrong.

      Go! Hockey! Go!

      • harpman says:

        Totally agree….Koivu was and still is a class act. He was in Montreal during some real bad days but contined to play hard. Wish he was still here now that the team has become more competitive in recent years.

      • HardHabits says:

        I think it’s more like a few people loved him and most francophones are glad he’s gone. Its not a few Bill 101 police. It’s pretty much the whole French side that is not moved by Koivu. Go into any french speaking bar and talk about Koivu’s meaning to the Habs or Montreal and people will laugh in your face.

        Koivu was not that classy either. He was very smug though.

        • Cardiac says:

          “Koivu was not that classy either. He was very smug though.”

          That’s rich… please elaborate.

          “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
          – Jerry Maguire

        • Bugs says:

          You don’t know what the hell you’re talkin about.
          …laugh in your face…
          Yeah, that’s what we’d do. Because you say so. Havin been in ALL those “French-speaking bars” and ASKING, right?
          Yep, the “whoooole French side”. Double-H knows. He went to those French bars and with his impeccable French, spoke French to the Frenchies and got eeeeeeverybody’s opinion acorss the whoooole French side and 99%, if not 100% of them all laughed in his face.
          And that goes for me of course. If you ask me about Saku, I will laugh in your face, right, Double-H?

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • Cardiac says:

            + ∞

            That made my week

            “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
            – Jerry Maguire

          • HardHabits says:

            Okay Bugs. What do your French spies tell you? You know as well as I do that the French side of the Habs divide are not in love with Koivu and were with Kovalev. You can even find it in the French press.

            I personally don’t care that he never spoke French in public but it certainly wasn’t classy of him to refuse or even try, especially after how many years of being on the team and its captain!!!

            The Centennial year was my epiphany. That is when I concluded he had to go.

            But every hockey conversation that I have had in French since his departure has been a happy one where the conversation has shown relief that we’ve moved on from the Koivu era. Can you say, “débarras?”

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Although I agree with you (Bugs), one cannot also deny that bigots like Rejean Tremblay tried to turn the fans against Saku. It didn’t work though (which is your point) but the fat pig* still gave it is all.

            (* I always thought that the perfect rejoinder to his insistence that Koivu should have learned French (which isn’t controversial, even Saku kindof agreed), was that a sports writer shouldn’t be morbidly obese.)

          • Bugs says:

            You’re changing your story now, Double-H.
            You didn’t say “the French side of the Habs divide are not in love with Koivu and were with Kovalev.”
            What you said was “Go into any french speaking bar and talk about Koivu’s meaning to the Habs or Montreal and people will laugh in your face.”
            While both assertions may mean the same thing to you in your language, it sure as hell doesn’t in English.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • HardHabits says:

            So I hyperbole a bit. Maybe a tad with the exaggeration. It speaks the same thing. My conversations in French have me hearing little love for Koivu.

        • Rudy says:

          You walked into this one HH, you’ve been on this board long enough to know what was coming.

        • avatar_58 says:

          What is it with people and Quebec? It’s funny how everyone knows what EVERY francophone thinks without even asking. They ALL want to seperate, they ALL hate canada, they ALL don’t care about Koivu….

          Or you know, they are just regular people that have different opinions. It would be like claiming all ontario folks love the leafs, which is arrogant and completely false.

          I’m not even from Montreal and I find this a little offensive. Quit assuming you know the pulse of the city just because “well I read it in the media…”. If you believe everything the media says then I guess all americans are rednecks, all canadians talk like east coasters and 9/11 was a conspiracy.

          • HardHabits says:

            I get it from the streets. Cabbies. Water cooler talk. While with friends. At the pool table over beers with strangers. I could care less what the media says.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Name one major network harping on 9/11 as a conspiracy. Please.

            “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • HardHabits says:

            Or mass UFO sightings.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Ooh yah HH..breakin’ it wide open..reported lights in the night sky. “What was that??” “I dunno..”
            Investigative journalism at it’s finest.

            “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            HH – this is a bit harsh – but yesterday you told us you had “eclectic musical tastes” and proceeded to list the most conventional and narrow list of CHOM-FM inspired musicians. I mean: you liked both Zeppelin AND Metallica!

            I’m putting this “it’s what I hear on the streets” argument in the same category: misperceptions that result from a narrow sampling procedure.

          • HardHabits says:

            Gentle Giant are not mainstream.

            As for the Bands I listed I only used them as examples with reference to death and speed metal, which I rarely like. It was a prelude to the topic being the mash-up video. Those bands I listed do not in any way represent all the music I was into. The mash-up either.

            These days I’d listen to 99.9 The Buzz all the time if the reception was better. CHOM sucks.

        • Willy says:

          You just make shit up for the sake of an argument don’t you? Did you know Koivu? How the hell can you say he was smug? Definitely did a lot for this city and the children’s hospital. If people like you want to laugh in my face for saying Koivu was great then that’s fine. Keep on keepin’ on.

    • krob1000 says:

      Disagree HH ….his number will be retired. He and Roy are the only deserving members of his generation(and Roy is really before him) and the not winning a cup thing is irrelevant in Saku’s case. He is the second longest serving captain (should have been the first IMO). You must get over the fact that the majority of the cups the Habs won were in a completely diff’t landscape…if Saku were playing in a 6 or 12 team league or even 21 team league the odds that he would have won a cup would have been greater than 50 percent at worst case in a 21 team league over his 13 year career. He was stuck on horrible Habs teams when management was a mess and the organization had its darkest days…he was for many of those years the only bright spot…the only thing that kept many watching. You may remember the glory days of the 70’s but you my friend are getting older lol. I am 34 years old and to me the only cups I am old enough to remember were 86 and 93…back when things were diff’t and money wasn’t as big of a factor, pressure was less, players had less control over destinations,media was less,the Nordiques shared the limelight, the teams were fewer, our foundation was still built much of late 70’s guys and perhaps the greatest goalie of all time,etc, etc,etc,etc

      To many, and I would bet it is clearly demonstrable demographically Saku was the face of the franchise, a reason to be proud through tough times and an inspiration to a whole generation. Let’s also remember that he was never surrounded by half a dozen future hall of famers in a smaller league…yet he never took a single shift off and I can honestly say I have never heard anything but praise for him by any single person in the hockey world….that is the biggest compliment of all and that will be recognized. Many fans see Saku as the face of the franchise during a time that never won…who cares….he was a great player, a great leader, a great inspiration, a great hockey player and a great person…if his number is not someday retired I and many of my generation will be more than slightly offended.

      I know the arguments that will come re the cups and the success….but given his surroundings he was a success, a massive success on many levels…the only level he wasn’t was a level that no one player could handle in a 20 man sport. Even Gretzky had Messier, Kurri, Coffey, Anderson, Lowe, Fuhr, etc,etc……he never won a cup after Edmonton. That alone speaks volumes…if Wayne Gretzky couldn’t lead a team to a cup with the support he had in LA with Robitaiille, Sandstrom, Rob Blake, Kurri,etc than believing Saku could with Oleg friggin Petrov and Valeri Bure is damn near insane.

      Saku Koivu will always hold a special place in the hearts of my entire generation of HAb fans aside and should be honoured accordingly…..times they aren’t a changin anymore…they have changed…and did a long, long time ago in the hockey world.

      • HardHabits says:

        Koivu’s jersey will never be retired in Montreal. They don’t hang Conference banners at the Bell Centre and they don’t retire numbers of players who haven’t won the Cup.

        • krob1000 says:

          Then they should just retire the idea of retiring jerseys and unretire the ones they did because it doesn’t make sense anymore given the diff’t landscape….a bunch of cup wins by guys who player in 6 team leagues really don’t
          mean that much to me…I understand the history but I am also smart enough to realize that it really isn’t that fantastic of a feat. To be honest Detroit’s run in a newer NHL landscape and consistency is probably mathematically a very comparable accomplishment and to me as impressive. So no disrespect to Beliveau, Richard,etc…but those Cups are not todays cups and that my friend is just reality and retiring a jersey today is not retiring a jersey back then if winning is the only criteria….

          • HardHabits says:

            I’d un-retire all those numbers too and modernize the damn jersey but I am a person who doesn’t care much for tradition or having marches to commemorate past victories. Too much stagnation and not enough evolution for my liking.

            I guess the Habs think that if they remember their history enough they’ll end up repeating it. Maybe they should try forgetting their history for a change. I heard that’s how history repeats itself.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Koivu will not even make the hall of fame, let alone the much more exclusive club of retired Habs numbers.

      • avatar_58 says:

        I loved Koivu but no, it will not be reitred. Retiring is for for the best of the best, not “guys we loved”.

        • krob1000 says:

          I think it is for the best players in the organization….all factors considered. It is an individual achievement…a Stanley Cup is a team achievement and honour…very diff’t.

          • avatar_58 says:

            Cup or no cup, he was not “the best of the best”. It’s that simple. Just because a guy is a good leader or amazing personality doesn’t entitle him to a jersey retirement. This franchise is 100+ years old, think of all the names you would be suggesting he is better than.

      • G-Man says:

        Sorry krob. #11 won’t be retired any time soon (or far). His stats do not merit it.

        • krob1000 says:

          If HIO is still running in about 10 or 15 years I will have the last laugh…..the same amount of people also said Roy wouldn’t be retired since he demanded a trade and left on such harsh terms. Sure was a great player maybe the best goalie fo all time but he left and that was peoples argument and a valid one at that but his value to his teams was undeniable…and so was Koivu’s…..stats don’t mean much in KOivu’s case…like they didn’t for Gainey.

          • HardHabits says:

            You can’t compare Koivu to Roy or Gainey. Roy won 2 Cups with the Habs and was the play-off MVP both times. No Roy. We’re at 22 Cups. No Koivu. No Koivu. Roy also revolutionized his position.

            As for Gainey. He was Play-off MVP in 78-79. He also revolutionized his position so much so that they created a trophy to recognize his contribution to the game. He won the Selke four years in a row.

            To compare Koivu to those two players is ludicrous.

    • RetroMikey says:

      Was it not Koivu and Kovalev that did not get along in the dressing room and half sided with Koivu and half sided with Kovalev back in the Cinderella season of 2008-09 which led to our demise?
      Was Koivu jealous of not getting the media attention and Kovalev getting it more?
      Boone, what was the scoop in the dressing room back then?

      “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

      • krob1000 says:

        I think it was more likely the fact that Kovy is long rumoured to be one of the top 5 skilled players of all time yet hardly ever tried. Then Saku who had limited skills in comparison busted his balls every shift……Kovalev has had run ins everywhere he has played…Saku….only with the guy who had the run ins everywhere…you do the math.

  39. joeybarrie says:

    ESPN Ranking teams……. What do they know??? So we should rank it for them….
    What are your rankings in the East and a comment on the team’s off season moves???
    AND what team did the best in the off season, and what team did the worst…
    (lots of time for me to do nothing at work today)

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  40. Bugs says:

    Ze Fuhrer finds out there is no Santy:
    One of the more charming ones. Great final line.

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  41. Marc10 says:

    Was on ESPN earlier and they’re asking the fans to rank the East and the West. Buffalo fans seem convinced they’ll be very good this year. Many think Boston will repeat and most think Was has the East wrapped up… and they have us ranked 5th to 8th (mostly 8th)…

    I’m glad Buffalo fans have their hopes up. That team just bores me to tears. That little s*** Gerbe and dirty player extraordinaire Kaleta are always a handful, but otherwise there’s nothing but Miller. I don’t see the high priced talent they picked up changing things much… Oh, and their coach whines a lot.

    Looks like Weber’s gone. I wonder where he’ll land. If I’m Nashville, I trade him now. Maybe Sather would give me Callahan or Staal, one of their giants and a couple of draft picks…

    You could do a lot worse than to stock up if the big guy’s not going to stick around.

    “To be irreplaceable, you have to be different”.
    Andy Warhol

    Go PK Go!

  42. Bugs says:

    Listen, you know how some people are late to the party on funny videos? And are only seein now what most of the free world saw years ago? Apologies if this is the case with me. Found this solid gold gem yesterday.
    The Grape Lady. Late 90s.
    “I think she’s actually hurt there…”
    Friggin classic.

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • Chris says:

      That one was absolutely hilarious. For a couple of years after that, you could buy t-shirts of The Grape Lady. Hearing her moan in the background when they cut back to the anchors is one of those things where you feel guilty for laughing your rear end off.

      • Bugs says:

        Her agony made me laugh.
        She brought it on herself though, so it’s ok.
        She disrespected the Grape.
        And she got what she deserved.

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      +1, Gold Bugs, Gold I say!

    • Cardiac says:

      The “remix” videos were things of legend!

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

  43. JF says:

    Good piece on Berger. This might turn out to have been a good signing, and the same goes for the signing of Raphael Diaz. The Habs’ scouts seem to be keeping a close eye on Swiss players, which, given Switzerland’s status in recent years as an emerging hockey power and the Habs’ focus on defence, makes sense. Teams trying to get to the next level at the world hockey tournaments always focus first on defence, so it’s reasonable to suppose that players from the Swiss league will be defensively responsible, an important criterion for anyone trying to make the Habs’ lineup. I’ll be interested to hear more about Berger, and hope he makes the cut in a couple of years.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Agree JF. Given the natural size this kid has, if he can get that skating up to par, I think his character will be solid. As I said below, I wonder if he will be our next Darche with higher potential.

  44. Chrisadiens says:

    Warning, the following link contains video clips of Scott Gomez. If you are offended by overpaid under- achieving players do not click this link. View at your own risk.

    Funny interviews of Scott

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  45. HabFanSince72 says:

    I don’t know about you, but in my experience it’s almost impossible to find a really good peach these days. But last weekend I was in Vermont and stopped at one of those organic farms that were selling their vegetables. They happened to have Amish peaches from Pennsylvania (the only thing they sold that wasn’t from their farm).

    Well let me tell you these peaches were like I remember peaches from my childhood. Just perfect. Juicy and sweet.

    So if you come across Amish peaches go for it. You won’t be disappointed.

    • shiram says:

      I feel like most fruits we’re better 20 years ago, but maybe I’m just growing old and bitter?

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        You’re right.


        Fruits are picked unripe which makes them easier to handle and ship, and then artificially ripened with ethylene gas.

        Consumers are also to blame, demanding seasonal crops like tomatoes or strawberries all year round.

        But I’m glad to hear you eat fruit and vegetables on occasion.

        • shiram says:

          I guess I can come off as the fast food, non healthy kind of guy, and some of that is true, but I try to balance it out, and moderate the unhealthy stuff.
          I eat fruits and vegetable most days.
          Also try to buy those from the Marché Jean-Talon, supporting local farmers and such.

          Made salsa from stuff I got there about 3 weeks ago, and it’s so much better than tostistos brand.

          If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            At Jean Talon check out El Rey del Taco. Great authentic Mexican tacos, and delicious salsas.

    • gmd says:

      Your story just reminded me of the Seinfeld episode about the Mackinaw peaches.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Fred who posts on here grows peaches, nectarines, apples, etc. on his farm in Hudson N.Y. We visited and ate all kinds of beautiful fruit all day.

    • Everlasting1 says:

      Ask Gary Roberts, the authority on organic produce. He’ll hook you up with a foreign distributor at extra cost (plus his finder/referral fee). He’ll tell you if it’s too ‘juicy and sweet’, it’s bad for you.

      “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  46. HabinBurlington says:

    Here is the Link to TSN Off The Record with Cammy talking with Bieksa on OTR yesterday.

    Edit: For some reason they only show the first part of the show, and don’t include the parts where Cammy is talking about PK etc..

  47. HabinBurlington says:

    Bugs, I just saw the link you posted yesterday of Joliat, That was awesome. I remember watching on TV, what an entertainer! Okay he makes the list wherever you want him. He is the The Bomb!

    • Chrisadiens says:

      Burly, just saw your reply from yesterday. Hilarious! I had visions of Gomez dragging sack of pennies into the Bell Centre.

      Also, I screamed “Sad but True” all last night at work, thanks to you.

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  48. 24 Cups says:

    The Sharks (just added White as a depth player) and Capitals have made great off-season moves. Could this be a prelude to next season’s Cup final?

    Why would Kesler wait until now to have surgery? One thing is for sure, this move will help with the cap squeeze in October.

    • Stuck_in_To. says:

      I have read here and elsewhere that Kesler et al. pursued non-surgical options in an attempt to avoid this situation but that it has now become the only option left them.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      24 cups–I don’t think we will play the Sharks in the finals, but we will play a western team.!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Well my wife just had surgery on her hip, very similar. Perhaps Ryan Kesler had the same wait times my wife had to see a specialist and get MRI done!

      On a serious note, this is a real significant surgery and is definitely an injury that takes complete caution. Many athletes have had these labrum problems and by rushing back to quick have done serious damage. No wonder this guy slowed down in the Cup finals. He would have had no push and complete pain coming out of that hip trying to skate.

    • Cardiac says:

      I still can’t believe that his departure caused this:

      When Koivu’s departure the exact same time caused this:

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

      • 24 Cups says:

        C – The ‘what if’ game is a waste of time but you do have to wonder what might have happened if Selanne had come here to play with Koivu.

        We would have the cap space to make it work and still would have been able to sign Gionta and Cammy.

        Oh well.

        • Cardiac says:

          You want to talk about what ifs…

          What if we didn’t make the Gomez trade. Are you confidant that Gionta and Cammy would have still signed here?

          “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
          – Jerry Maguire

          • 24 Cups says:

            For sure. It’s all about the money. No other team would have given Gionta 25M for five years and Cammy’s other option was Toronto which he passed on for reasons of his own (too close to home?)

            I think the “we all wanted to come here because of Gomez” bs is one of the great lies of HI/O. Guys say stuff like that because the fans want to hear it and the media wants to report it. It’s no different than an actor saying he wants to be in a movie with ‘so and so’ even though he’s the biggest a-hole in Hollywood. Why do you think Erik Cole is here? He wanted to re-sign in Carolina but then jumped when Gauthier upped the coin and overpaid both in terms of money and term.


          • Chris says:

            Given that Gionta wanted to stay in New Jersey, but even Lou Lamoriello told him he couldn’t pass up the Canadiens’ offer, I have no problem saying Gomez was not a factor for him. He also said as much himself.

            Given the persistent rumblings about Cammalleri (he wanted to be a $6 million man, he didn’t want to play at home and a lot of teams were wary of a perceived selfishness), I also think he came here for the money.

            Gomez, Koivu, Plekanec…I don’t think the teammates make as big a difference as people think. You get the odd guy (like Marian Hossa) who makes a big show of signing a one year deal for a shot at the Stanley Cup. But players aren’t doing that in Montreal, who are seen as a second-tier contender. For the vast majority, money talks.

  49. HabFanSince72 says:

    “Weber’s agent, Jarrett Bousquet of Titan Sports, told The Tennessean newspaper that Weber “wants to remain a Predator. He loves it in Nashville,” said Bousquet. “He loves the fans. He thinks they’re the best in the NHL.”

    If Nashville had the best fans the team wouldn’t have the lowest payroll in the league. And hockey wouldn’t be the 6th most popular sport, behind football, Nascar, college football, college basketball, and competitive BBQ.

    • Propwash says:

      Going through the motions.

    • RGM says:

      They may not have the most fans, and they may not be the biggest game in town, but the ones that do show up are fiercely passionate about their club. I’ve got to know a couple of Predators fans and they’d rival any other team’s fans in terms of knowledge and awareness of the game.

      During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Agreed, RGM. I’ve been to a few Nashville games and it’s a great arena with super fans. It’s certainly been a struggle for the franchise in terms of finances as they have to maintain a budget that allows them to get in on revenue sharing. That may become a critical issue down the road when it’s time to sign their big three to long-term contracts. The post-lockout CBA was supposed to help them survive but has failed to do so. I think the low ball offer to Weber was just a stop gap measure to see what the new agreement brings.

  50. HabinBurlington says:

    Reading the review of Berger, Kind of wonder if this guy may be a younger larger version of Darche. Get the sense he is going to always have a great work ethic based on his road to the NHL. I look forward to going to more Bulldogs games this year and watching guys like Trotter, Berger, etc.

  51. HabinBurlington says:

    So I normally dont watch Off the Record, because of Landsberg. However, channel surfing after work I saw Cammy’s face on the TV. Nothing startling, but some interesting little comments from Cammy, a couple related to PK.

    I have to run now, but will summarize a bit later, unless someone else caught it and wants to. Usually they replay the show today at noon. Nothing earth shattering, but comments regarding personalities on the ice, hot dogging etc. are touched on.

    Bottom Line, Cammy says he loves that stuff as long the player can back it up and he says what pisses everone off about PK is he acts like does and Backs It Up. Cammy has no issue with that.

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