Morning-after musings on Canadiens’ loss


A team that doesn’t core much ran into the Bulin Wall.

Result: Another loss on home ice. (Photo by Christine Muschi/Reuters)

Dave Stubbs on the Bulin Wall

Red Fisher: Is there a scorer in the house?

Pat Hickey’s game story

Quotes from the room

Hickey: Extend video review to penalties

Pierre Ladouceur’s report card

Brendan Gallagher ripping up the WHL

‘Dogs lose on School Day


  1. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Is there a corer in the house?

  2. doogie says:

    Does anyone think that SF49ers success this season has anything to do with hiring a successful, young coach? SanFran is a contender because of coach Harbaugh.

    But, we’re in good shape with Coach Bubbly himself behind the bench.

  3. Exit716 says:

    Molson needs to realize that 20 years of hoping for a miracle playoff run doesn“t cut it anymore. There is no way this team is contending anytime soon. He has to decide whether he wants to be innovative and bring in a decent management group or just milk the fans for profit and maintain the current dullards in positions of influence.

  4. HabsFansince49 says:

    I see no grey area in this debate or debacle. I look at the top UFA signings (we have none) and Michael Ryder and Souray, for God’s sake, are high on the list. I look at the NHL stats and I see Marc Andre Bergeron with 15 points and + 5 rating. No one, bloody no one – yes Pleks, Max-Pac, AK46, are in MAB’s category. Pleks and Souray are tied with 13 points but, get this, Souray is plus 11 and Plekanec is minus 1 would you believe?
    Ryder & Max-Pac are tied with 11 points but the Newfoundlander is plus 11 compared to Max-Pax’s plus 1.
    I’m an old guy and I can take a lot of crap but I won’t take being insulted. I’m insulted when I hear about being up against a hot goal tender. I’m insulted by the words ‘we played well enough to win’. I’m insulted when I hear that I’m supposed to respect the likes of Gainey and Gauthier because they are fine people. They may well be (I don’t know, never met them), but they wouldn’t manage a up in a brewery. I have nothing good to say about the coach.
    As I stated in an earlier comment, nothing will change substantially until G. Molson does something. And he is making a buck and hardly gives a sh…t!

  5. habsperspective says:

    Every problem we have starts with Markov.

  6. The HonestFan says:

    Still getting toys stolen in the sand box…recurring theme

  7. theflower says:

    As I stayed up until 4 am to watch this game in sunny Ibiza, I must say without anyone here to talk hockey, it seems to make me much more objective. I think the ridiculous firing of Perry Pearn was good for 4 wins and now the team relaxes, because the heat is off and I think the losing continues, spattered with an odd win here or there. Look St. Louis has potential and their coach was fired at 6-7. Jackie has had more than enough time to make this team a well oiled machine, yet from night to night they are like jekyll and hyde and there is no consistency in any department. There have not been nor are there at present since Jackies arrival anything to indicate what system we are playing. Do any of you find it strange this guys still has his job? I ask you all, when is enough enough and when will the real changes come, because at present this team without any kind of identity or any system of note is failing and there is nothing to say it will change under the present regime.

    One can only dream of the brighter days of yesteryear!

    • Marc10 says:

      Completely agree. This team is Jekyll and Hyde personified.

      I look at Pittsburg under their coach and they roll no matter what. And the ‘no matter what’ for the Pens is a hell of lot bigger than our little Markov problems.

      At some point, we have to look beyond the coaches. JM relies on his veteran core (because he’s lost the room once before) so really it’s up to them to step up.

      And the time to do it would be now. Not next week. Now.

  8. Rickly33 says:

    Hi folks, I don’t know how the rest of the canadiens fans feel, but I can tell you how I feel. I am tired of the habs out playing their oponents by a huge margin and still losing. I’m tired of the coaching staff, using a hot goaltender as an excuse for a loss. I’m tired of these guys not hitting the net with their shots, and finally tired of these guys not scoring, they have more than enough talent on the team to put the puck in the net. Folks we are 13 games in and our top scorer has a grand total of 6 goals, we have issues. That’s my rant

  9. HardHabits says:

    With our luck the Habs will finish 20th over-all. Out of the play-offs and out of the sweet draft spot pick spot.

    If this organization had any sense they’d realize that this club is 3 years away from contending and only if they make the right moves between now and then.

    1st move: Bury Gomez.
    2nd move: Don’t play Markov until he is 1000% ready. Let him sit out the whole year if need be.
    3rd move: Get rid of DD and Gio.
    4th move: Move anybody that isn’t named Pacioretty, Eller, Price, Subban, and Emelin for picks at the trade dealine.
    5th move: replace Gainey, Martin and Gauthier
    6th move: hire the best coach regardless of language
    7th move: tank

    Time to rebuild from the draft and to stay out of the free agency market. When enough pieces are in place start trading for players and add pieces via free agency.

    Maybe by 2015 Hab fans can something to get excited about. I don’t trust these bastards in charge. I get the feeling they will do everything for 1 play-off round this year even if it means gutting what ever meager resources exist in an already bare prospect cupboard.

    What a disgrace this team has become. Not because they are losing but because those idiots in charge wont accept responsibility for their own miscalculations and errors.

    Make Trevor Timmins GM.

    • SPATS says:

      Taking it personally HH? “Bastards”?
      We’re not getting blown out, and we’ve run into a couple of stellar Goaltending performances (1 more than a couple to be more accurate) We got behind the eightball thanks to a blown call in the Big Apple, We could easily be 3 more wins and 3 fewer losses. On the bright side, we don’t quit. Unlike some of the so called fans.


      • HardHabits says:

        Boo f*ckin’ hoo. I am more tenacious than you think. Either as a fan or a competitor.

        The difference is I am interested in building a championship contender whereas management is content and satisfied with a team that dupes fans into believing that once you make the play-offs anything can happen. It’s a lie. Top 5 teams win Cups 90% of the time since the conference format was introduced. The other 10% it’s a top 10 team. The Habs have had one top 10 finish in that span. You do the math. Better yet. Stick your head back in the sand.

    • govenah says:

      I agree with everything except for the tanking. We may just do fine if we loose the problems and have a team that works.

    • piper says:

      I agree with most of your points but your 5th move should be your first. With someone competent in charge this ship could be turned in the right direction sooner than you think. You have the right keepers but I’d add Gorges to that list.

  10. habsnyc says:

    despite seeing fewer shots per game than last year, price is allowing more goals than last year. the offense is scoring at the same rate as last year. Price is regressing to the mean and there is no way this team can make the playoffs with a below average offense and a below average defense. Price needs to play as well as last year for this team to make the playoffs.

    last year montreal was ranked 20th in offense, this year they are 21st. this is still not good enough to be a legit contender, but was good enough to make the playoffs last year.

    last year they were fifth in save percentage and eighth in goals allowed, despite allowing the 10th most shots in the league. Price carried this team to the playoffs. This year, despite allowing five fewer shots per game, the team is 24th in save percentage and 18th in goals allowed per game.

    last year they allowed more shots that average but the save percentage was better than the goals allowed. this year they are allowing 15% fewer shots but the save percentage has tanked to where save percentage is ranked worse than goals allowed. in theory, allowing fewer shots should have no impact on save percentage, but should help goals allowed. but both are much worse.

    i am not sure how to avoid the conclusion that the team is doing poorly because, despite allowing fewer shots, price is allowing more goals. you can debate the fourth line and gomez all you want but the delta is between the pipes.

    Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  11. Chester says:

    OK, I’m getting tired of reading about how close we always are, as well as, all the wonderful stats about how close we are. However, incase anybody cares, we are last in our division and 14th in the conference. I find myself watching these games with a sinking feeling. I am tired hearing about a hot goaltender, I thought WE had the hot goaltender, I thought WE had the fast team. Those guys were on every loose puck, they just walked out of their end like we were somewhere else. I’m tired of seeing us fall into a defensive shell when we are up by one goal. If we don’t score the first goal we know inside that we are going to lose. I’m sick of feeling this way. I guess we gotta fire another assistant coach. This team is beige, bland no spark. There is a fine line between classy and dull. At least Gremlin smashed a few people last nite. Thats all that sticks out in my mind. That and the clanging of pucks on posts. … stie

  12. HardHabits says:

    No team is going to win a Cup with JM as coach and DD, Plex, Gio, Cammy and Gomez as you forwards. Time to clean house and rebuild. Stop this ludicrous idea that we’re a few pieces away. This team has half what it needs and needs to replace the other half.

    Please Mr. Molson. Sell. Build your new management team around Trevor Timmins. Make him the new GM if need be but whatever you do get Gainey, PG and Martin out of the picture.

    I remember Gainey skating in alone on a breakaway back in the 80’s and he shot it wide. We all laughed that he would have shot it wide had the net been empty. We need somebody who understands the game. Nobody with any sense would bring in a complete #1 line of smurfs like BG did.

    This isn’t the dark ages like we say with Houle and Andre Savard but BG isn’t worthy to carry Serge Savard’s briefcase.

    • shiram says:

      So… are you talking about tanking now?

      Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I too always thought that wide shot that one game was going to haunt Gainey as part time special advisor. Glad I am not alone in that thinking.

      • HardHabits says:

        It’s indicative of his mind set. He shot wide with the Gomez deal too.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Ohh HH, the blame for the team falls squarely on PG and JM for now. PG is allowed to make whatever decision he wants for 2 years now. JM and PG are supposed to be buddies, this would lead one to believe that the personnel decisions would be made in unison.

          Did Gainey shoot wide on the Gomez trade? Absolutely, but you know what he is an advisor at best these days. Also, have you noticed all the offensive players are sucking hind tit under JM’s “system”? Perhaps Gomez more than anyone is sick of playing this ridiculous system.

          Rid the team of the ball and chain which JM holds the key too and lets see what we got for players.

          But please, do continue to remind me of what a terrible player Gainey was and what a terrible leader he was on and off the ice throughout his career as a player/coach and GM.

    • habsnyc says:

      Gainey’s career shooting percentage was 11.4%. Ovechkin’s shooting percentage is 11.9%. Don’t dilute a valid point about management with a foolish statement about Gainey’s on ice prowess.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

      • HardHabits says:

        Comparing Ovehckin to Gainey is ludicrous.

        Viktor Tikonov was trying to undermine Canadian hockey with his sound bite. The only thing that turned around our International Hockey hopes was Wayne Gretzky and to a lesser extent Mario Lemieux.

    • habstrinifan says:

      It is not only wrong but VERY VERY small-minded, in my opinion, to try and negate theaccomplishments of Gainey the hockey player with the dubious record of Gainey the GM in MTL.

      If you ever sat back and watched a HABS-BRUIN game in those days and felt good (becase Gainey wa sin our line-up) then I am sure you will reconsider.

      Gainey the player was TOO GOOD to denigrate now.

  13. Ian Cobb says:

    With parity in the league kicking in big time now, one thing remains the largest difference between winning and losing. And that is the flexibility and the imagination of the coaching staff.

    The Mtl. coaching staff are playing their players the same exact way each and every game. The players are putting their heart and sole into each game with great energy and enthusiasm, but with the same result most nights.

    How easy does that make it for the opposition’s scouting to come up with a counter game plan to implement against us when there is no flexibility in the coaching style.

    Take one of our best players for example, Plekanic!, who is playing with Patches and Gionta on the top line getting top minutes throughout the game. Then Martin uses Plekanic killing of penalties, burning much energy. Martin again calls on him to play the right point on every power play to the point of exhaustion. After the half way point in the game last night he was no longer effective with the puck and even fell on a power play giving Edmonton a short handed goal. As a matter of fact he was on the ice for both goals against us because he was behind the play.

    This is not a players fault, it is a coaching problem. Pleks is not the only player used improperly every game. I just wanted to use him as an example of how easy it is for the opposition to key on players or parts of our game that never changes from night to night. I could go on about it including how consistent we are playing 5 on 5, never any change, we play the same defensive game in and game out. When we need an offensive push, most players are finding it very difficult to switch team play after playing 80% defensive minutes.

    Again the responsibility lies with the coaching staff in what capacity to use players for each of them and the team to be successful. And to not be so predictable with the game plan for the opposition to easily scout and counter. All teams today can be beaten by most other teams. The biggest difference in winning and losing is the coaching in today’s NHL.

    Buffalo and Edmonton’s coaching is fantastic and look at their rosters talent wise. We have just as good of a talent roster.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      How does the rest of the Mgmt and Ownership of this team not see that Ian?

    • HabsFansince49 says:

      I agree fully Ian, although I’m not convinced that the players are “putting their heart and soul” in the game. However, perhaps that’s because they are totally bewildered.
      I don’t hold much hope unless Geoff Molson steps in. Gauthier won’t do much and more than likely Bob Gainey who is responsible for a lot of this mess still gives PG advice. The Pearn firing was tokenistic crap.
      These are depressing times and they have been for years. Unless there is a real changing of the old guard, nothing will improve.

    • wall2bay says:

      Like I said in my post below…..

      “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results” – Albert Einstein

      “I kind of feel sorry for players who never got a chance to be a Montreal Canadien” – Cammalleri

  14. mjames says:

    If we are relying on Gomez to lead us out of this mess – well that is a sorry state of affairs. Gomez on the PP – no goals in close to a year and one assist this year. Lets get serious. I sincerely hope that Molson cleans house with PG the first to go. Who is in charge of the PP anyway.


    • HabinBurlington says:

      I am glad the Anti Gomez Choir has found a way to bring Gomez into last nights game. I agree with the 2nd half of your paragraph, but find this endless Gomez screaming very tiring. JM is wasting many players talents including Gomez.

  15. wall2bay says:

    The difference between last year and the train wreck we have this year comes down to basically one thing…….the Power Play (which we can also rename the Muller effect).

    Having said that, the guy is gone and to see this PP nose dive with essentially the same group of guys (minus Wiz), is all on JM. I only managed to catch half the game but watched enough to see Darche is STILL on the PP and Pleks is STILL at the point! Which brings me to the following quote……

    “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results” – Albert Einstein

    “I kind of feel sorry for players who never got a chance to be a Montreal Canadien” – Cammalleri

    • shiram says:

      Gotta agree that it’s a weird choice, Pleks on the point and Darche…
      Same as I find it weird to play Cammy and Gio on the PK.

      Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

      • wall2bay says:

        Here’s my PP:

        Cole-Pleks-Cammy- Subban-Diaz


        I don’t have a problem with Gionta on the PK, his speed at the point did lead to a few SH goals last year. Cammy……I don’t get.

        “I kind of feel sorry for players who never got a chance to be a Montreal Canadien” – Cammalleri

        • Le Jadester says:

          Can’t understand why AK 46 isn’t on the PP ?
          Especially on the halfwall ?
          His passing is probably the best and his shot is hard and heavy.

          Habs, OLE !

          • joeybarrie says:

            Yeah, he didnt get much playing time last night at all did he?????????????????????????????????????

            There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

          • wall2bay says:

            He’s injured and doesn’t look like he’s gonna be in the lineup next game. Although if he was healthy, I wouldn’t have a problem taking Gionta out for AK46. Bottomline……we have better options than Darche!

            “I kind of feel sorry for players who never got a chance to be a Montreal Canadien” – Cammalleri

    • joeybarrie says:

      Definitely a loss on Muller. But lets remember, we are without Markov, Wiz, Hamr, and lately Gomez on our PP. PK and Gio are shooting for the stars and have not been effective.
      Its not on JM when the key players to your PP are not on the ice.
      The truth is the components have not been there consistently for us to move forward without Muller.

      There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  16. HabinBurlington says:

    I will continue to beat my Emelin drum. The guy was also an offensive dman in the KHL. The KHL is a much better test than the Swiss Elite League, yet Diaz is treated by JM like he just finished being nominated for the Norris.

    I have grown tired of waiting to see the fruits of the system. Yes when this team is relatively healthy and every single player buys into it, we can win close games. But seems to me the system is designed to always be in the game as opposed to going out to win it.

    We added Cole, we got MaxPac back, these are improvements to the team that should lead to playing to win more. Yet this team continues to play a style which says lets just wait for the right opportunities.

    • fuhgawz says:


    • shiram says:

      Diaz had just about double the ice time of Emelin, still I’m glad to hear Emelin played well, hopefully he takes on more and more ice time, and maybe even some special teams time.

      Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I have no doubt he is willing to take on more ice time, but there is a Hermit of a Character who controls this. Unless Ms. Resnick (I hope that is her name, the TSN Reporter) questions JM, “Mr. Martin, despite Emelin being a superior defenceman, why do you continue to play Raphael Diaz more? Is it because he showed no fear when staring down Patrick Roy during that practise years ago?”

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      JM’s love of Diaz despite his giveaways is maddening really for a guy who demands responsible D from all his skaters.

      Emelin needs to play, those hits on Eager and Hemsky were EXACTLY what we need.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

  17. fuhgawz says:

    Even if Montreal had 1st overall pick and had a chance for Yakupov they would choose some career AHL’er or a strong 3-4th liner. It is our mold and it is ALL we draft.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Oh garbage. Their issue has not been drafting but player development and retention.

      If anything, they’d draft Yakupov and get slammed for selecting him for being A) under 6′ or B) Being Russian.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • Ian Cobb says:

        The amount of players that have gone through Martin’s hands the past 3 years because they could not conform to Martin’s style of boring defensive play, is another whole roster. And most of them are performing well for other clubs in the league.

        Martin has to move on if we have any chance of enjoying our club again.

  18. Neutral says:

    The difference between Edmonton and the Habs is quite simple
    the Habs has had this old puzzle starting 1994 – they keep replacing the old pieces with old pieces that don’t fit – a new piece here and there that don’t look too bad – they end up with the same old puzzle and the same results – where as – Edmonton on the other hand – is slowly replacing their old puzzle with new pieces and the puzzle is looking better each year – in a few years they’ll have a complete new puzzle and a nice one that will win stanley cups. Habs I think you should follow trend.

  19. TommyB says:

    For all the high expectations I had that last night’s game would be one to remember, I have to say I was quite disappointed. I expected the Habs to come out flying. Of course, they did not. Oh there are those who felt the Habs “dominated” the first period. Really? I was bored silly. The second period was even worse. The third period was really the only one with any excitement, naturally, because the Habs were desperate to score…again. And, of course, they were not successful enough. Everybody and his uncle, except for JM, recognizes that we need a Dman on the point for the powerplay. I love Pleks to death, but he is not strong on the point, and he does not skate backwards as effectively as most defencemen do. So, when he mishandles the puck, or either falls down or gets knocked down, we are beat. I have no doubt that Pleks dreads PP time. Why oh why can’t JM see what everybody else does? And his explanation is that we don’t have anyone better to quarterback the PP. Bullspit!

    Again last night, during the timeout with our goalie pulled, I watched the bench. Cunneyworth was trying to hand the clipboard to JM to diagram the play. JM put his hands in his pockets and looked at his shoes. You only have 30 freaking seconds! So Cunneyworth quickly designs the play, with the players standing around trying to figure out just what the hell they are supposed to do. I even noticed Subban laughing. The ensuing faceoff was won by the Habs, back to Subban, as I expect Cunneyworth had instructed, but a bobbled pass and a weak attempt to keep the puck inside the blueline, and you know the rest of the story. It gets tiring.

    While switching to the Carolina/New Jersey game during commercials, I heard that Paul Maurice’s job could be in jeopardy in Carolina. Hmmm, Maurice…..does he speak French?

    • G-Man says:

      I agree with your post, but Subban did get off a shot on the set play. He missed the net by 5 feet. So what else is new?


      When in doubt, blame PP.

    • Duke_Rauol says:

      re: Plecks, he is great at working out of the corner on the PP, and he finds guys in front of the net, something the PP has not been able to do this year. Time for a change!

      We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold……

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Right on Tommy. Martin has to go! Until then we will be chasing our tails.

  20. Bouleau noir says:

    We are trailing in points so we need to win more often then we do but it just wont happen unless our PP is better….. coach do something for k’s sake…. Subban should be on he first wave for a starter…. or keep putting the less gifted Webber there with Pleks until we have the worst PP effiency in the league if thats your goal. As it is I believe we have the required players to be a better PP team….. I guess I just dont trust the coaches anymore.

  21. joeybarrie says:

    Lots of upset fans out there who bash this team with a passion. Makes you wonder whether they are happy when we win with our players lately or whether they are happier when we lose.
    Simply put, we were the better team last night, and have been a few times that we lost. Scoring goes in waves. We should have scored 3-4 last night with very very good chances. But we did not. That’s how it goes sometimes. Its the flipside of the coin. We have been the benefactor many nights of a cold goaltender. That’s what happens when you wait 10 minutes between shots. You lose the momentum.
    What we lack is on our pp. Missing Gomez and Markov does not help. Gomez can get the puck in the zone. We are easy to play against in this way. Lately PK can’t hit the broad side of the Bell Center with his shots. No one is worried about our point position. But that will change as the season progresses. We will again be fighting for a playoff spot because of early injuries.
    But look at the positive. Our young players are looking good. Our scorers go in streaks, and we can only assume the streaks will come.
    In the end, with a full team we can beat anyone, anytime and have a chance at the finals. Despite that we are moving forward, again and again each season. This is not a losing team. And no one is sitting idly by, while they lose.
    Its still early, and to be honest… Looking back at comments I’ve heard on here in the last 3 years…. This team has surprised us for good or bad. So keep up the bashing and nonsense… Cause its how the team plays in the second half that really matters.
    BUT, we do need another 4 game W streak. Cause its gonna be tight this year.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

    • nunacanadien says:

      When Pearn was let go, it caused JM not to play his five on five. With the Rangers penalty mess, this has allowed JM to once again revert back to his five on five. Gauthier let the wrong man go.

    • G-Man says:

      Getting tired of the “ifs” and “whens” and “maybes”. Right now, as a unit, the Habs stink like that fresh sewer smell rising out from the manhole covers. PP is lousy, the PK is average, and 5 on 5 the team doesn’t score much. Oh, and the “thoroughbred”goalie is playing like a nag. All in all, a recipe for failure.
      It’s sad but true: Habs are lousy and cannot sustain any pressure in the offensive zone. They chase the puck in the own zone, not cutting cycling forwards off. The biggest problem? Complete lack of physicality. My dead grandma can hit harder than this group does.

      • joeybarrie says:

        Your are not wrong, ive been tired of ifs the last 3 seasons… We do lack physicality, but what we really lack is scoring. In the end, Gio, Cammi, and Cole need to produce. PK needs to produce, and Price needs to be better. They will, and they always do. I just hope its not too late when they do.

        There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

    • mjames says:

      You are kidding – right? A chance for the finals – you can’t be serious. This is the year the wheels come off and we see the last of gainey and PG.


      • joeybarrie says:

        Are you on drugs? Always fascinating to me how 14-15 games into the season we have already given up. EVERY YEAR is the same… Number 1 in the east and conf finals and still people said the same in the beginning. when will you learn???
        Another 4 game winning streak and we are in 4th or 5th in the East. What will you say if that happens???? Oh yeah i forgot in your mind its impossible. ALREADY forgot what this team just did… LIKE ALWAYS. Thanks for the support. cause you are again waiting for them to fail to come out and talk. WHERE ARE YOU WHEN THEY WIN???? Yup, big FAN.

        There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

        • HardHabits says:

          You are the one living in lala land jb.

          The problem is Martin and his wretched system. I say keep him for the year. Plan for his replacement now. Tank and trade what you can at the deadline. Enter the draft with a slew of picks and hopefully a nice blue chip forward will come our way.

          Gainey’s experiment failed. Miserably.

    • savethepuck says:

      Well said

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  22. Le Jadester says:

    Watched JM on the Anti Chamber last night during his Press Conference, and he looked hot under the collar. Pressure’s getting to him. Serves him right, that selfish, arrogant and I only play my favourites, piece of shite that has casted off good players cause he simply doesn’t like them ?

    Listened to a little Tony M too and I agreed with him when he sayed that last night was the exact same as Florida and Buffalo.

    JM’s version of anti-hockey.

    PP is all on him. Poor selection of players.

    At this point anybody but him. Who cares, Bring in Crawford and his hairdoo. At least he has a ring. I don’t know but JM needs to go. This is pathetic.

    On a positive note, I Really liked Cole, Eller and Emelin last night.

    Habs, OLE !

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I didn’t see the game as I was travelling yesterday and looked at the stats on TSN and saw Blunden played a total of 44 seconds……why dress a player if he is going to play 44 seconds.

      I am not saying blunden would have made a huge impact but really 44 seconds what a waste of time

    • habfan01 says:

      Martin hasn’t been the only coach not to use players because he doesn’t like them. Had a chance to meet and talk with Dickie Moore last year. At one point he talked how his brother Jimmy was a better hockey player then he was, but couldn’t make the team because Toe Blake didn’t like him.

  23. shiram says:

    Conflicting reports on DD, some say he was overpowered and looked bad against the Oilers, other said he was great setting up short passes, I did not watch the game, so what’s up with DD?
    Does not seem like I missed much though.

    Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

    • fuhgawz says:

      my take : he was OVERPOWERED and useless. Get Gommer back stick DD to wing. Be done with this small player bs.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      He gets overpowered often now. Teams are starting to notice and prep their players, reminding them a little physical pressure and he’s eliminated rather effectively. And when the team is on the road, he’s very vulnerable to not being able to enjoy the right matchups. His effectiveness as a C is becoming marginal.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

    • G-Man says:

      He was outhustled and man-handled. Made a couple plays but his feet weren’t moving. Cole choosing to pass to him in the 3rd on the 2 on 1 was the bonehead play of the night.


      When in doubt, blame PP.

      • Duke_Rauol says:

        Agree 100%, why Cole didnt shoot is beyond me!

        We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold……

      • fuhgawz says:

        Cole was being stoned all night one more shot missing the net or hitting the goalie in the chest wasn’t going to make a difference. That being said he was an idiot not to shoot. You have the smallest player on the ice with 2 guys hanging on him why you choose to pass to him is BEYOND stupid.

  24. fuhgawz says:

    No use waiting for Markov he will be 1/8th the player he once was, if he ever plays. I frankly do not even care if he comes back to play it was a HORRIBLE signing to offer him what PG did. Made as much sense as eating poop flavored popsicles.

    Kiss the playoffs good bye people. I still am holding true to running acorss Canada naked if they make the playoffs.

    • Mats Naslund says:

      Wisniewski had 50+ points last year and has had 3 of the same surgeries that Markov has had. If what you say is true – how is it possible that Wisniewski could possibly play at such a high level?

  25. John Q Public says:

    Play to WIN not to be safe.
    4 lines would help.
    No plek on PP point.
    Mashup 3 big talented forwards instead of 2 good and 1 checking.

    For these and many other reasons JM has to GO!!!

  26. fuhgawz says:

    Who is going to have a worse year? Gio or Gommer? — Gio has be USELESS for wearing the C he should be ashamed of his play. Leader my a$$. Plecks on the powerplay all i can say is wow. When is JM going to get it through his thick dense skull that it ain’t working. It is time we ourselves a goal scorer with some size. I have no idea what happens to players when they come to Montreal. Cammy, Gio, Cole can not score worth sh*t. AND WHEN IS SOMEONE GOING TO HIT THE F’N NET ON A POWERPLAY?????????? I used to like our small fast team but i have grown to have a bad taste in my mouth. Good guys sure but sorry boys you suck. Thanks PG and JM you useless a$$es.

  27. Maksimir says:

    I always liked reading Red’s articles but I have to admit that I am getting really tired of his ‘why aren’t these guys as good as the 1950’s Canadiens’ shtick? Nostalgia is fun sometimes but he needs to get his head out of the past once in a while.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I hear what your saying, but look at alot of the posters here with the nostalgia of Ribeiro, Max, SK, Higgins, Gui, Ryder, etc… is it any different?

      • shiram says:

        At least those guys played in the same set of hockey rules as the Habs play now. What Red is nostalgic for, is a completely different set of rules and teams. Game has changed so much since then, you just cannot expect similar results.

        Moen for powerforward 2011/12!!

  28. punkster says:

    Damn you think you got problems? You think the Habs suck? The teams loses again and you think it’s the end of the world? Try this one on for size: it’s beautiful day, I should be playing golf again but noooo, I have to sit at home waiting for the dishwasher repair guy to show up.

    OK, the Habs. I’m interested to see how the team performs when they have a full roster of regulars. Will the return of Gomez, AK, White and eventually Markov make a difference? I like to think so.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I am sure it will help Punkster, but when does that occur? In the meantime you have to make chicken salad out of the chicken we have and that ain’t happening.

      Good luck with repair man, and yah, should definitely be golfing today….damn job.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I have a sneaky feeling that this early losses will come back to haunt us in April.

      White isn’t going to be back for another month at least, Markov….December most likely as well.

      Gomez coming back I don’t think really means anything. He had one assist in 6 games so really i don’t see him making an impact in how this team does.

      I am worried by December we may have dug too big of a hole. We do have some things to be pleased with, Cole and Max P look great. Ak is playing well.

      This team needs to go on a serious win streak to keep themselves in the hunt for a playoff spot.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Sorry you broke all your fingers and can’t wash dishes… I use mine for what g*d intended — hiding guns and jack Daniels — and once in a while wrapping a whole fish in aluminum foil and poaching it…

    • G-Man says:

      By then it will be too late for this season. None of this team’s “stars” are playing well. Markov healthy can help, but it’s looking like January or February by then and by that time the Habs should be in a horse race for 30th. I hate to say it, but they simply stink, from the nets outwards.


      When in doubt, blame PP.

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  30. Marc10 says:

    PP will kick when ‘He who shall not be named’ returns. And once we’re rolling on the PP, every thing else will fall into place.

    The big question is ‘when’…

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I fear I no longer even know who “he who shall not be named” is anymore. The ambiguous he is skating reports seemd to have died down. Is he back in the Alps skiing?

      The PP firing has worn off time for another pearning, stickboy, head coach, athletic trainer, ticket office employee, janitor, someone must go it is a proven tactic….

  31. VintageFan says:

    Power Play? Habs had the man advantage six times: they took 3 shots for 0 goals; they gave up 2 breakaways and 1 goal. Weber & Plekanec started all six and the Habs spent the first 80-90 seconds chasing the puck up and down the length of the ice. Pleks is clearly uncomfortable and innefective on the point. Weber is afraid to shoot, unsure of who to pass to, and a liability defensively. Diaz & Subban, once they get on the ice as the ‘second unit’ have about 20 – 25 seconds to work with. And they usually manage to generate a chance of some description. And on top of all this Martin has the audacity to complain that he does not have the tools to use on his PP!!. Take that MR. Gauthier.

  32. HabinBurlington says:

    Can’t disagree with Red’s article today.

  33. adamkennelly says:

    it ain’t all about the opposing goaler…team had their chance but not all of them were high quality and with no legitimate sniper what do you expect. I am getting super frustrated with management for not doing anything to improve the team. this team is only slightly better than their record indicates and need to be a lot better to make the playoffs. I am tired of Darche and DD..I am tired of 7M sitting on the sidelines or even worse playing and doing nothing…I am tired of JM and his 2 swiss D men and I am tired of this team’s lack of toughness. Positives – Eric Cole of late…thats about it.

    • Ton says:

      this team has snipers. 5 posts in the last two games. Posts mainly mean goalie is beaten. what is concerning is that the snipers we have are restricted from playing a sniping system. Ideally they had 6 opportunities yesterday to be in that sniping mode> there PP system is terrible with the wrong choice of players on the ice and having said this> they are also positioned wrong. Martin is making terrible coaching mistakes for a veteran coach! Maybe this is the problem>veteran!

  34. Duke_Rauol says:

    Martin loves to juggle lines so why does he stick with the same PP lines? The PP is non existant! IMHO the Habs need a new younger coach, like Blysma(sic) or Boucher, they cant wait till the playoffs are unreachable to do it.

    We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold……

  35. DelawareHab says:

    As we near the end of the 1st quarter of the season ending it seems that the team is still trying to figure out who should be playing with who. I understand injuries can impact line-ups but we need to establsih some continuity in the flow of the game and that requires chemistry on the ice. Jacques Martin seems to think you can go with spur of the moment changes in the middle of the game and expect pieces to simply fall together. This isn’t baseball’s (money ball sport) and chemistry is what builds a team to greatness. Right now I see none of that going on and it seems that eveyone is simply trying to play scientific hockey (presumably form instruction of the head coach) instead of playing with heart and grit.

    I believe it is time for a change at the helm and bring emotion back to Montreal’s game.

    Habs’ Player of the night against the Oilers was definately Eric Cole.

  36. Ton says:

    At some point were going to have to make a decision on whether making the playoffs is the only economic objective>sure it is with Molson. The only way to build a winner is from scratch. All of cup winners were built this way. For some reason in Montreal we never allowed it to hit bottom in the last 12 years because of the pressure to win. Martin in now scrambling and doing things that don’t make sense. We have firepower on this team but players are used in the wrong situations, 3 lines instead of rolling 4, choices of players on lines, the PP is lost because he does not have a clue how to run one. PK systems have gotten more aggressive but in the end the space is there to be found (your one man up). They become predictable and players are telegraphing there plays. This team needs a change in direction, only because the message is old. This is the reason that contracts beyond 4 years in management don’t make sense. I would put Martin upstairs asap and in scouting for next year than bye bye. Same for PG. Bring in two new hockey minds. What I fear is the exodus of Martin and our free agents at the same time. Those free agents will say how difficult it is was to play in a restricted system and it is very unlikely that we will be able to bring new ones in. French Canadian players>it is a known fact do not want to play here. The question becomes>can we or is it possible to build a cup winner in Montreal? This has really got me thinking now!

    • LA Loyalist says:

      What I dream of is exodus of Martin gomez gionta and, it hurts to say, bob the builder. I will make loaf of bread and open my last bottle of 82 Bordeaux.

      Then we can start over properly, with price, pk, max and a few others… Just sad. I remember the day we signed gainey as gm. I was driving near Kingston. I was soooo happy 🙁

  37. HabinBurlington says:

    This whole notion of running into a hot goalie is very tiring. This team lacks finish down low. If this team can’t beat goalies on initial shots, it must rely on rebound scoring. Our rushes into the opposing zone seem to be marred with quick shots of the very first setup play as opposed to any type of sustained pressure which can cause the goalie to be out of position resulting in better scoring chances.

    How often were shot attempts made with Khabibulin having to move to make the save, I counted very few. While the Habs may have carried the play for the final 2 periods, I still believe our shot totals are very deceiving.

    Our Powerplay is flat out awful right now. How hard can it be to ask the dman to carry to centre with speed and shoot the puck with forwards at top speed sent in to retrieve. Why pass the puck off to a forward at the centre line with no speed where he can be trapped?

    And how the hell can JM forget how effective this team played when it rolled 4 lines with a 4th line providing effective physicality and forechecking.

    DD in my opinion looked lost out there, and while there may be a future for him, he presently is nowhere near ready to be our 2nd line center.

    Very very frutstrating game to watch.

    Liked Cole, Emelin, Spacek and Eller last night, that’s about it.

    • Tony McLean says:

      1. Miller and Khabibulin are not chopped liver.
      2. Does the team have *one* ‘natural’ goal scorer? One 30 goal scorer? Don’t expect dynasty performances from this average lot.
      3. Wisniewski should have been signed.
      4. Why is Darche still on the PP?
      5. Price was outplayed. Again.
      If it wasn’t for St. Patrick the Canadiens would be Leafs East.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Actually if you have watched Miller at all this season, aside from the game against Habs, he is looking like chopped liver, and when Khabibulin puts in a full season I will buy in. He played great last night I don’t deny that, but this team does not get the goalie moving at all!

        Cammy is a 30 goal scorer, and many will protest but AK is one of our best finishers, and we missed his shot last night.

      • Man Dingga says:

        Price had no chance on those goals, sorry the team is really hit and miss thus far. Breakaways are 50/50 at best and Bulin let in a brutal goal to Patches. Price played great and kept them in it. The redirection by Gorges is tough to watch but Price had no chance. We need our guys to stop hitting posts and start putting the bloody puck in the net. Cammi needs a game in the press box as does Gio. I’m loving Emelin and would rather him play then Diaz. I love Weber’s shot but thats it. Pleks enough of with these blind passes. Martin stop putting Pleks on the point for the PP, its not working! Ok I’m done ranting!

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