Robinson on Habs radar; Engqvist to KHL

Larry Robinson

The Canadiens are expressing interest in adding Larry Robinson to their coaching staff.
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UPDATE: Hockey Inside/Out has learned that the Canadiens are among four or five NHL teams currently expressing interest in adding Hall of Famer Larry Robinson to their coaching staffs. No more details than that for now.

UPDATE: Andreas Engqvist signed Wednesday morning with Atlant Mytishi of the Kontinental Hockey League, several reliable sources and the team’s website announcing the news. So that’s one fewer RFA the Habs will have to worry about.

Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin extended qualifying offers Monday to 10 restricted free agents. On Tuesday, he signed his first of the group, gritty forward Ryan White agreeing to a one-year contract. Here’s White in conversation Monday afternoon with CJAD’s Abe Hefter.

Look for Bergevin to be busy as we move toward Sunday’s opening of UFA season. Further to that, I chatted Tuesday with Brad Staubitz, a waivers claim last February who proved of good use to the battered Habs late in the season. Staubitz told me he’d love to return; we’ll see if Bergevin feels the same way.

Habs development camp opens Wednesday for three days at the Bell Sports Complex in Brossard, the first on-ice session (open to the public) at 4 pm. Details on the camp here. And the schedule of on-ice sessions:

• Thursday: 4 to 6 pm
• Friday: 10:30 am to 12 noon; 4:30 to 6 pm
• Saturday: 10:30 am to 12 noon; 4:30 to 5:30 pm.

Hockey Hall of Fame welcomes its new crop. Was the superb Brendan Shanahan stiffed by being excluded? And why isn’t Pat Burns an honoured member yet? It’s obscene that he isn’t.


  1. HabFanSince72 says:

    John Scott.

    Make it happen MB.

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  2. TomNickle says:

    Regarding Boyle/Carkner/Karlsson.

    I believe what Carkner did was the most disgraceful thing I’ve seen in the NHL since Milan Lucic cross-checked Dominic Moore in a blindsiding fashion and wasn’t suspended.

  3. commandant says:

    Boyle scored how many goals in that series? It didn’t change his game, and the Rangers other players didn’t stop going after Alfie, Karlsson and other key Sens. It just escalated the violence, if anything.

    Not saying its the wrong move, I don’t personally subscirbe to the philosophy, but heck it might be good to have revenge.

    But that’s what it is, not deterrence.

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  4. Bripro says:

    Great news from the rumour mill.
    There are 4 or 5 teams talking to Larry Robinson about a D coaching position, and the Habs are front and centre!….
    Well, actually, they’re one of those teams. I’m just excited!

    EDIT: Ah crap! Stubbs stole my scoop!

  5. shiram says:

    Oilers confirm Ralph Krueger as the new head coach.

  6. commandant says:


    The work on the file is long since done and prepared, nothing to do now for her until the judge let’s me speak.

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  7. kempie says:

    Dave Stubbs ‏@Dave_Stubbs
    #Habs are among 4 or 5 NHL teams expressing interest in adding Larry Robinson to their coaching staffs

  8. commandant says:


    They can contact as of monday (30 days after he de-registered from School)

    They can’t sign til July 1st.

    Special case and a little different from most UFAs.

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  9. TomNickle says:

    Anybody else in favour of trading Danny Kristo for something nice?

    I’d rather not go through the College player turned UFA scenario at this time next year.

  10. commandant says:


    And I’m getting paid to be on my phone on the internet.

    Posted from the back of a courtroom, where I wait for a judge to call my client’s case on the list.


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  11. frontenac1 says:

    I love it when Bluet gets Le Tigre all wound up and then sits back and laughs at him. L”Antichambre is hilarious! Just like Don Cherry and Bob Cole.

  12. commandant says:

    Staubitz wouldn’t be on the ice against Lucic though. The bruins first line would eat him alive and pop a goal.

    Lucic is also a rat who picks his spots and would refuse to fight him anyway, just like he did to Laraque.

    The instigator rule makes the protection you speak of, nearly impossible to achieve.

    Look at Cooke, he wasn’t afraid of the Bruins when he took out Savard, or the Blue Jackets (2nd most fights in NHL this year) when he took out Tyutin, or the Rangers (most fights) when he elbowed McDonagh.

    Bourque wasn’t afraid to fight the Caps guys when he took out Backstrom.

    Neil, Carkner and Konopka weren’t huge deterrents to Boyle still going at Karlsson.

    These guys are about revenge, not deterrence IMO

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    • shiram says:

      “These guys are about revenge, not deterrence IMO”

    • TomNickle says:

      Exactly. I would sign Trevor Gillies to a deal and leave him on the bench.

    • alwayssunny says:

      Boyle didn’t do it again. If the Sens had done nothing about it, a la Les Boys for going on a decade, it would likely have happened again and again. It doesn’t mean there aren’t going to be any incidents. But why don’t you listen when nearly every player who has ever played in the league says that they know when enforcers are on the ice or bench. Even Laraque who was probably the toughest in the league for a while used to get insomnia and throw up before games.

  13. wjc says:

    The only thing I have in common with people on this site is, too much time on my hands.

    We share this problem as a group

    So many things to worry about, spending my money on players, signing my players to contracts, getting rid of players I now hate.

    Worried about the Hall of fame, spelling, players that have hard names to say and spell….Engqlist or something Pletanics or whatever, Galchenyak or is it Galshinyik.

    Too much time on my hands, July 1st fast approaching and scouting reports to devour so I know who to sign with the fans hard earned money. Players to throw in the trash can, dump em….dump em all.

    Now you got me RANTING hope you are happy!!!


  14. Bripro says:

    Dave Stubbs posts that Mathieu Darche’s career with the Habs may be over. The article is in french.
    Basically, his agent states that the team contacted him only once since MB has been hired, and there’s been no discussion of contract.

    EDIT: Sad really. There goes the human factor, thrown right out the window.
    I realize, they need talented players, but he’s such a great person, it really is too bad. I guess he’ll be an example of collateral damage on the new Habs.

    • shiram says:

      That’s a great picture of a sulky looking Darche.
      He gave us some good years, but if there is an upgrade out there, management has to be looking for it.

    • Sad for him. Great work ethic but few skills and a Montreal kid. Not surprising though. He made a run at it, but just couldn’t impress enough.

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    • Kooch7800 says:

      I do like Darche but I am afraid he will always bounce around in the NHL. It is a cap world and bottom 6 guys seem to bounce like crazy.

      He played some good hockey here at times. I think last year did him in. He struggled last year more than usual.

    • aj says:

      Its a bit sad to see Darche not being offered a contract to play here. He could have been and good addition in the 4th line.

      However, If there is one thing I would agree on if whether he should come back here with the Habs, it’s to give this guy an administrative job. He has a degree in Business Management and how he talks to the media both English and in french, he seems to be a good communicator. I would definitely take Mathieu Darche in a pro-scouting position to start if that time comes he’ll retire from playing.

      EDIT: I would also consider Darche making him start in the coaching postion by starting with the Q’ or with the AHL if possible.

  15. commandant says:

    Bri I wrote a scouting report on schultz yesterday. I’m on my phone or I’d call it up for you.

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  16. TomNickle says:

    Tyson – Lewis – Holyfield
    Mayweather – Bradley – Pacquiao
    Klitschko – Ledderman – Klitschko
    Moen – White – Staubitz

  17. wjc says:

    I hate Gomez, yes I do
    I hate Gomez, and so do you
    I hate Gomez, that is true
    Boo hoo, hoo, hoo.


  18. Bripro says:

    Can someone explain to me why there’s so much attention to Schultz?
    ….. a kid who’s never played a game in the NHL?

    • wjc says:

      His name is hard to spell.


    • HabinBurlington says:

      He seems to be a Blue Chip Prospect who is expected to be NHL ready. I guess the proof will be in the pudding once he signs a contract. He apparantly wants to go somewhere where he immediately gets Top 4 pairing and minutes.

      Most analysts believe he is that good, we shall see. He has a great last name though. :)

    • Habilis says:

      Because signing Schultz at this stage of his career basically equates to getting a free top 10 draft pick. What team would say no to that?

      That being said, I think what he did to Anaheim was disgusting and would not want this kid anywhere near my team if I had a say.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        If he was a European player doing this, I think the analysts would ripping him a new one.

        Interesting that a good western Cdn. boy gets no flak for doing so. Don’t get me wrong it is completely within the rules.

        However, watching how Bob Murray has handled the Bobby Ryan fiasco makes me think Schultz is making the correct decision in not going to Anaheim.

      • Thomas Le Fan says:

        So much for freedom of choice and association. Maybe he just wanted to finish school and Anaheim did something to make him not want to play there? Anyone know anything different? Besides, I believe he’s followed the rules.

    • habsfan0 says:

      Lots of people remember him from Hogan’s Heroes.

  19. HabinBurlington says:

    Hmmm seems I am now signed in as Stubbs, watch out everybody Burly has the power to Moderate!!!! Hehe this is gonna be fun. Maybe I will start by editing Nickle 😉

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  20. Phil C says:

    Re: Staubitz: If we are gonna carry a 14th forward as an enforcer who can’t take a regular shift, then the Habs should go after George Parros rather than Staubitz. I read Parros will test free agency. Bring the power of the ‘stache to Montreal.

    If they can get Prust for $1.5M or less, that would be even better, I don’t think he is worth more than that. At least he can play 82 games and chip in 5-10 goals.

  21. habsavvy says:

    I read that habs mgmt is thinking about buying out Gomez.
    don’t do it! too easy for that underachieving lazy !#@$%^&.
    send his ass to Hamilton and make him EARN HIS $$$.

    • ZepFan2 says:

      Maybe you can supply a link.

      “Them summer days, those summer days” – Sly Stone

      Hot fun in the Summertime

    • wjc says:

      Where did you hear this. I have been phoning Berge-vin and he has not returned my calls. I even got a restraining order not to go within a 1000 meters of the Bell Center. They said calling every ten minutes and trying to sneak in was violating some law.

      Buying Gomez out, that lucky stiff….leaving hockey paradise, where the sun always shines.


  22. commandant says:

    Staubitz’s skating is best described as average. He’s not a turtle, but he’s not slow either.

    White is slow. Its the weakest part of his game.

    You can’t have White at Centre, and you absolutely can’t have both of them on the ice at the same time.

    If you sign Staubitz its as a guy to play 30-40 games in place of White, when we need a heavyweight fighter.

    I don’t mind him, but he’s not plan A, B, or C.

    Grab Prust instead IMO.

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  23. HabinBurlington says:

    How different of a coach is Therrien from what Pat Burns was? Serious question, not trying to be disrespectful to Burns either.

    Seems to me both are highly emotional coaches who seem to do their best work in years 1 and 2 wherever they coach.

  24. Ian Cobb says:

    We are over run with 4th liners in our organization. It is about time some of them left, we only want the young cream working there way up lines, as they mature.

  25. Les Habitants says:

    Can the Habs live without Staubitz? Yes, but they will need someone who can chuck knuckles besides Moen and White. Remember what it was like last season before they picked up Staubitz? Price getting run over on a nightly basis, goons coming at PK like he was Laraque. Yes their are better enforcers out there, guys that can play the game better, and can give you closer to 12 mins a night as opposed to 5 mins, but all the other 29 teams are also looking for those too.

    I would love to have a Ott or Prust on the team but there’s simply not enough of those to go around, and unless we can get an enforcer with a similar to those skillset, I believe that Staubitz can hold some value for the Habs as the 13th forward playing in those much needed games against the bruins, leafs, flyers, etc….

    Also I was wondering if there’s a chance Staubitz would sign a two-way contract if there are no takers on the free agent market?

    • Greg says:

      A 4th line of Moen-White-Ott would be outstanding.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Except none of Moen, White, Ott or even Prust are as tough as Staubitz.

        Lucic comes into Montreal, slaps PK around, gives Price the old facewash and the Bruins score on the next shift because Price is rattled and more concerned with Lucic.

        White, Moen, Ott come over the boards and Lucic beats the tar out of them.

        At least Staubitz has a chance!

        It’s a balancing act I suppose. I’m really not sure which is more important or if in the end it really makes a difference?

        Is it more important to have a bit steadier player on the 4th line or more important to have a player that can bring the crowd and bench to their feat and turn the momentum by winning a big fight?

        • TomNickle says:

          Staubitz might have a chance but he isn’t going to stop Lucic from taking liberties.

          If we really want to prevent other teams from that Trevor Gillies is the guy.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Not even to stop him from taking liberties but just for someone to step in there and really give it to him (lucic).

            Nobody can stop Lucic from taking liberties or very few.

            The scoreboard is what counts, we all know that.

            But when Boston comes in, wins 3-1 and wins the fights as well, it is very deflating.

            I think Staubitz puts a stop to that. At least a guy like him stops the Bruins from walking off the ice and thinking they won the game and they beat the crap out of us and playing Montreal is no trouble at all.

        • jedimyrmidon says:

          It’s kinda funny how discussion always revolves around one guy: Lucic. I bet he would be laughing at the idea that an NHL team should build a line and acquire players around him.

          Would the same strategy be required for the 29 other teams? As in, shouldn’t the Habs be aiming for rugged guys who can forecheck well and give the other team fits on the ice as opposed to fighting first, play later.

    • petefleet says:

      Would he have to clear waivers eve3n with a 2 way contract? If so, he probably wouldn’t sign. The thing about Staubitz is he seems to be able to play the game. He tough enough to get Lucic in the box for 5 min per game or more. No one says he has to win. Getting the brute off the ice is a good start. White wouldn’t stand a chance and moen would definately have his hands full.
      They could also call up Henry 6 times this year. It gives them the toughness they need and a nice raise for Henry. Just saying.
      Keep in mind that the Habs routinely beat the Broons with Lucic in the line up until recently.


      “It just goes to show how difficult predictions are, especially ones made about the future.”

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  26. Bripro says:

    Now I’m upset again!
    Here I thought the team was heading in the right direction.
    Good management support group, all the cookies you can eat, great draft pick.
    The year looked like it could be won….then the bad news!
    Andreas Engqvist has signed with the KHL.
    This team will never be the same again!

  27. ed lopaz says:

    2 words on PJ Parenteau;

    “no thanks”

    unless we also pick up tavares, let someone else pay Parenteau 4 – 4.5 million per on a 4 year deal; because in this market that’s what he’ll get.

    when john tavares was 14 years old the OHL had to change their rules to let him be drafted 1st overall.

    tavares is a huge talent, make no mistake about it.

    he creates offence from nothing and he could make any 2 bit journeyman look like a 4 million dollar player.

    tavares is gifted; its a hockey IQ off the charts; the intuitive ability to understand where the puck will be and where his wingers will be,

    leaving defenders helpless and chasing around.

    any quality GM would know this.

    if we sign Parenteau we are caving to the misguided and irrational voices of RDS and Antichambre.

    Mr Bergevin – you need to know better.

    • TomNickle says:

      If only he had the speed of Brad Staubitz. Then he would be worth it.

      • ed lopaz says:

        if you watch antichambre, you would hear that Parenteau is “exactly” what the Habs are missing.

        They make him out as the next Michel Bossy.


        And the fact that Therrien is “one of the gang” on Antichambre, has me more than just a little bit concerned.

        • shiram says:

          Why do people watch the Antichambre exactly, apart from just laughing at them?

          • ed lopaz says:

            shiram, our Coach is on that show regularly.

            these are no longer “useless, coach wannabees, who will never be hired”,

            we freakin hired one of them!

            I watch because I get the “feel” of what the Francophone media is thinking and,

            I watch to hear what our Coach has to say – whenever he is on.

            To Burlington below – Yes he is on.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Ed, is Therrien still on it now after being hired? I never watch the show so I have no idea.

          • shiram says:

            Thanx for answering Ed, but it does nothing to cheer me up, the way you put it!

          • habsfan0 says:

            I watch because I like to guess which one of the panelists is wearing a hairpiece.

          • boing007 says:

            No more trips to AC for MT. Should be in his contract. If not, amend it.

            Richard R
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        • boing007 says:

          Parenteau a RW. Thought we need a LW? Mike Bossy? C’est rigolant.

          Richard R
          Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • Maxwell Smart says:

      First post ever. Read here everyday. But I have a question that needs answering.

      1. Is there a rule somewhere where it states you cannot be more than 10% over the salary cap in the offseason when making transactions?

      2. If so, is it possible that MB is telling the agents of both Price and Subban that it is in the teams best interest to not sign these guys until August or September. They could work out a deal now but not have it signed until just before camp is about to start?

      3. Does doing this make sense?…they have the Gomez contract to deal with, but if the Habs are at all thinking about adding a high profile player through either FA or trade, and if they sign Price and Subban now plus Gomez’s bloated contract, they may not have the room to do such a move.

      Of course if there is no such rule it is a moot point, but wondering if anyone knows this and if my theory could be a possibility. Because as each passing day goes by and Price and Subban aren’t signed, I know the bedlam it will cause in here…haha…

      Cheers guys, always great reading and hope to post every so often now…

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Similar perhaps to when Detroit went out and signed Warren Young after Lemieux turned that journeyman AHL player into a 40 goal scorer? Put 22 in for Detroit and then never really played much again in NHL. Pittsburgh brought him back couple years later but to no avail.

    • K-hab25 says:

      Somebody posted a couple days ago that Parenteau scored 48% of his points with Tavares on the ice. Which means 52% were scored without Tavares on the ice. I don’t really care if we sign him or not, but this false tale of Tavares making Parenteau good, is a bit far fetched. Tom said he scored his career high 20 goals 2 years ago, again without Tavares. I agree he isn’t more than a 3rd liner, potential injury fill in, if an injury occurs in the top six, but he isn’t a fourth liner like Darche either. I think some of you, just like with Forsberg, are being a bit extreme in your negativity.

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  28. TomNickle says:

    I think Scott Gomez should be brought back. He can shoot well and he can dish out some hits.

    I remember Jacques Martin saying he could.

    Now if you disagree with this sure to be unpopular opinion it means that you are a know it all and only your opinion matters. If you can’t come down to Earth and realize that this opinion is valid it means that you aren’t able to see things from other points of view and that you treat your opinion like a be all end all voice.

    • shiram says:

      Gomez can do it all, he just prefers not to.

      • Correction, can do some things well. He never scored more than 20 goals except for one 33 goal season in NJ in 2005. After that (what looked like a breakout year) he never had more than 70 points, hasn’t been better than +/- 8 except for three years early in his 12 year career and after checking out his stats, scouting report and performance, I for the life of me can’t understand what Gainey and the Ghost were smoking when they tool over this contract! OMG!

    • boing007 says:

      I think that Gomez should get one more kick at the can. Fingers crossed that he proves us right to support him one last time.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • Gomez is an insult to the profession. How a guy like that can skate around, bring the puck up ice and give it away almost all the time is beyond me for that kind of money. I do like your disclaimer at the bottom, setting-up anyone who disagrees to be a narcissist. So being a self-absorbed holier than though megalomaniac, I ignored your final paragraph to remind you that $15 million of our payroll is for three unproductive and most likely distracting players. Gomez has certainly worn out his welcome. Three years ’09 12 goals, ’10 7 goals and last year I need not remind you. It has been and will be a continued travesty to keep him in a spot and likely has been one of the worst trades in NHL history (Anyone want to talk about McDonaugh?-spelling?)
      Now Tom, I respect your opinion and you are knowledgeable, but if I knew you harbored even the slightest man-crush on Gomez, I would have sent you to a sanatorium long ago!

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    • sane hockey fan says:

      Thing is you are a know-it-all, or at least come across that way.

      oldschoolhockey spends time to make a post about his projections on scoring, and you scoff at him and start your reply with an arrogant: “Some, ahem, interesting projections.”

      Same thing with the guy talking about Staubitz speed, you dismiss his opinion and ridicule his comment. This type of behavior is not going to endear you to anyone.

      On top of it all, you make this sarcastic asshole post at a further attempt to ridicule the guy who posted the original comment below…nice.

      If you have a problem being called out, don’t give people a reason to do so.

      It’s so typical of someone being able to dish it out but not take it.

      • TomNickle says:

        I don’t have a problem being called out. I have a problem with hypocrisy.

        There are plenty of opinions here that are ridiculed several times over that I completely ignore. I don’t see the people replying being called arrogant know it all people.

        Second. It is tremendously arrogant and attacking in nature to insult somebody in disagreement. I’m a know it all because I’m disagreeing?

        There have been about five people over the last month or so who’ve taken to these boards with personal attacks towards me. You may not like the way that I disagree or the way that I reply. But I do my best not to attack people personally.

        Perhaps the people who are going out of their way to start fights should look in the mirror.

      • Sane, thanks for the back-stop, but I think Mr. Nickle has a very dry sense of humor and if you read through the threads you’d be less critical. There are a number of personalities on this forum and those that are truly difficult usually just wash away. Take the comments for what they mostly are, repartee of sorts. If I were really offended, I would call anyone out, but I appreciate the comment and look forward to your participation. We’re all passionate Habs fans and sometimes our testosterone (and the occasional estrogen – That’s you Kim!) combined with adrenaline may get the better of us.

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        • sane hockey fan says:

          No problem. And I love Tom comments BTW. He is probably the most knowledgeable guy on this site. Way more insightful than Berkshire or Seriousfan were. I was just trying to show him why people choose to attack him personally. I read your reply and can see that you didn’t take it personally at all, which is fine, just that others might take things like that personally and thats why he opens himself up for criticism.

        • sane hockey fan says:

          No problem. And I love what Tom brings to this place. He is probably the most knowledgeable guy on this site. Way more insightful than Berkshire or Seriousfan were. I was just trying to show him why people choose to attack him personally. I read your reply and can see that you didn’t take it personally at all, which is fine, just that others might take things like that personally and thats why he opens himself up for criticism.


    I thought camp starts thursday.. the sooner the better

  30. Timo says:

    Habs gave Therrien a second chance. How about Laraque? Should we bring him back? Maybe on a condition that he goes on raw meat diet and drinks red bull every day after nap.

  31. HabinBurlington says:

    I wonder if the Leaf websites are having discussions of whether or not Burke should resign Colton Orr. :)

  32. Greg says:

    Anyone want to pay Shane Doan $4-5 million to play in Montreal for a few years?

    • petefleet says:

      2 years 5million—-sure.


      “It just goes to show how difficult predictions are, especially ones made about the future.”

      ***Habs Forever***

    • shiram says:

      I have a tough time seeing him signing for only 4-5 millions, especially on a short term deal. But he would help, I still think the row he had with Coderre might have also soured him on this great french speaking province.

    • mark-ID says:

      He would be perfect to have around for another two seasons…..until some of our younger forwards are ready for the NHL

      I wouldn’t care if we had to overpay to get him…..for only two seasons…he could still bring alot to this team…in terms of leadership, toughness and good for 20 goals.

      “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

    • boing007 says:


      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  33. The Dude says:

    Wow really Hab fans ,let’s get the SAME last place team back like Staubitz,lol…….FK that! Let’s get real Gorilla’s that play hockey Guerrilla style ! Again L.A. and Boston “the last two cup winners ” WERE BIG TOUGH TEAM and we want BIGGER,FASTER,TOUGHER,STRONGER GOAL SCORING AND PUCK POSSESSING TEAM PLAYERS !

  34. OK, let’s deal with scoring. Even if we had a good, not great defense, which it turned out we were (middle of the pack in GA last year tied for 15th), if we struggle to score goals, especially in the third (I hate protecting one goal leads! Just stupid!) then the list that Price07 provided below is a pretty good indication of how close we really are;
    1. Pacioretty 30 goals
    2. Desharnais 18 goals
    3. Cole 30 goals
    4. Plekanec 25 goals
    5. Bourque 15 goals
    6. Parenteau 20 goals
    7. Gionta 20 goals
    8. Eller 15 goals
    9. Moen 15 goals
    10. White 5 goals
    11. 4th line center 5 goals
    12. Darche (just for arguments sake) 5 goals


    Gorges 5 goals
    PK 15 goals
    Markov 15 goals
    Emelin 5 goals
    Diaz 5 goals
    Weber (I hope not) 5 goals

    Total production (I know I am being pessimistic for some, but also positive for Cole and Max) is 253. That would be good for fourth highest in this past years season.

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    • TomNickle says:

      Some, ahem, interesting projections.

      Moen scoring 15, Markov scoring 15 and Parenteau scoring 20 are some pretty lofty expectations.

      I believe that of the three Markov’s the only who’s accomplished the goal you’ve set out in their careers. And he only did it once.

      Edit: I see Parenteau scored 20 two years ago. I wouldn’t bet on it without Tavares and Moulson by his side though.

      I’d add five goals to Gionta’s projected total though. He’s been closer to 30 than 20 in his career with Montreal.

    • Greg says:

      Moen scoring 15 is unlikely unless he’s playing top 6, which, god help us, he won’t be. Has Gorges ever scored 5 goals?

      • No, 4 in ’08, but even if I shaved off 2 goals each for defense, that knocks off 12. Another 10 for Tom’s comments and it leaves us with expected numbers of 233. Still god for top 10. It doesn’t really take that many goals, especially if we had a Stamkos AND the rest of the roster…

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      • boing007 says:

        I’m jumping on the Mueller/Gragnani bandwagon. Not expensive and could work out very well. Maybe enough left over for someone else that could contribute this year.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • Chris says:

      1. You’ve got Montreal’s defence down for 50 goals, which would double the 25 goals they scored last season. That would have them finish ahead of Nashville’s 46 (with Weber and Suter) or Vancouver’s 39 (with Edler, Hamhuis, Salo and Bieksa). That simply isn’t going to happen.

      2. You’ve got Moen down for 15 goals. His career high (including junior!) was 11 goals, way back in 2006-07 when scoring was significantly higher. 15 would match his combined total from the past two seasons. Not happening.

      30 goals is more reasonable from that defence group. 5-10 goals for Moen, if he’s even back (I’m not convinced). So you can shave 20-25 off that total right away, and you’re pretty much right back to where the Habs have been the past couple of seasons, in the 215-225 range.

      It’s possible that the goal total will improve under Therrien, but let’s wait and see what kind of system he implements. If it is another defence first, the team is going to struggle to score with the current roster make-up.

      • That’s my concern. At 220ish, we aren’t winning anything and will struggle to get into the playoffs. That is also completely healthy and call-ups like Paloosh, LL and other AHL’ers isn’t going to help on the goal production side of things. Only 30 goals away! That’s Bergy’s task in my opinion, with the right wingers, it can be done!

        Do it Bergevin!

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        • Chris says:

          We will struggle to get into the playoffs this season…the roster we have simply isn’t very good.

          This team is re-building…I am optimistic for the year after, when we might get a peek at Galchenyuk, and hopefully will have had a chance to move on from the Gomez disaster. But there are no natural scorers on the roster after the top line, and that is a recipe for a long year.

          If the Habs contend for a playoff spot, it will be because they have adopted the Phoenix Coyotes style of play and/or because Carey Price pulls a Jonathan Quick for the entire season and lets the team steal points in 1-0 and 2-1 games. That is a lot to ask, even for a goalie as talented as Price.

    • petefleet says:

      If Max only gets 30 it will be dissappointing to him and the team. Same for Cole. Bourque should get more than 15 if he gets out of his funk or he won’t be around very long. I don’t see Moen getting 15 either unless what he started last year carries on…would be nice. My guess is PK will be closer to 20 if Markov plays the whole year cause he’ll be setting him up. don’t see Markov scoring 15 himself.
      That said, it would be nice if they finished 4th in scoring but it would definately take them out of the McKinnon sweeptakes.


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      • Only 30? That was a break-out year for him. If he could maintain just that, we’d all be thrilled. I for one can’t see anyone being disappointed. Can he become that draft choice? I don’t know, but Cole at 30 is also a little high since it was one of his best years yet and he’s no 25 year old.

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        • boing007 says:

          Cole’s not 25 but he’s a smart hockey player. Plus he goes hard to the net. Not only that, it took him at least twenty games to find his groove.

          Richard R
          Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

        • petefleet says:

          I believe the team and Max are expecting an incline not a straight line or a decline. I would have to echo that. With a better team around him overall, there’s no telling what his goal total will stop at. Same for Cole, to a lesser extent. I’d love for him to repeat last years numbers.


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    • wjc says:

      You forgot Gomez….17 goals 41 assists
      Gionta would be good for 30 goals
      wjc Kabrele would contribute 10 goals 40 assists

      • Who? Gomez? I thought he was in the AHL? 17 goals and 41 assists? Isn’t it too early for recreational drugs?
        Gionta, that would be an excellent year for him and Kaberle may or may not be in the lineup and that also would be a good year for him. Maybe management and coaching changes will liven the crew up, but just as my Moen suggestion was a new high, those three are also hopeful.

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  35. frontenac1 says:

    I recall Cunney commenting on Staubitz being a quick skater last season and I remember him having pretty good wheels also. I recall Whitey being a little slow due to his long layoff after surgery. Glad we got Ryan back and would love to see Staubitz signed too.

    • TomNickle says:

      Gimmie a break.

      Got a link to the interview by any chance? Anybody who says that Brad Staubitz is a fast skater needs their head examined.

      What a joke this is becoming.

      I miss the f’ing Konopka days. At least he can win a bloody faceoff.

      • shiram says:

        Zenon wins the cooler name too.

      • K-hab25 says:

        I remember thinking he looked a lot faster than I expected. Not saying he is or isn’t, just he looked faster than I expected.

        Proud Pricebot since 2006/2007

      • Chuck says:

        Where did the ‘Staubitz is a quick skater’ thing come from? He was probably on the ice at the same time as Gill.

        Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment.

      • adamkennelly says:

        Hey Tom – you apparently are the only person around here with valid thoughts or opinions – good news tho – you make that perfectly clear to the rest of us – thanks for that.

        Staubby was a great addition to the team, he is a good fighter and not a terrible player and he’ll be cheap. Prust will not be.

      • petefleet says:

        Turn off your computer. Do us all a favour Mr. Perfect.


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  36. Hobie Hansen says:

    Sign Staubitz. Play him half the games and maybe more if he plays well. I want him in the lineup when we play Boston, Philly, NYR, Ottawa…

    If there is a better player available with the same toughness as Staubitz, go for it. Until then, keep Staubitz.

    • TomNickle says:

      Why not sign Prust and play him in 82 games?

      Edit: But thanks for not saying something completely false like that Staubitz is fast or can contribute offense if he’s given an opportunity.

      • Nobody said he is fast and can contribute offensively. and Prust wouldn’t cost $600k. Just sayin’ it s a business after-all.

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        • TomNickle says:

          You said he’s fast.

          Or by saying “he can skate” did you mean that he’s able to tie his skates?

          Or is it getting difficult to keep track?

          • You’re a tough audience! I mean’t he could skate, which means he ain’t no Guy Lafleur, but he certainly isn’t hobbled like Gill!

          • petefleet says:

            Save your breath.


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    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Overall Prust is a much better player, period.

      I do think Staubitz is a tad tougher and would fair better against some of the bigger boys in the league though.

      I can’t say I saw every shift Staubitz played last year but he looked pretty quick and didn’t stick out like a sore thumb to me, like some are saying. He threw some big hits, got in on the forecheck….

  37. Mattyleg says:

    Hey there les amis,

    Bye-bye Engqvist: come back with skills or don’t come back at all.

    Stauby: I hope you stay.

    I am very anti-goon, as most attentive HI/Oers could tell you, but I think that a strongman gives a great boost to team morale. Not because of what he actually does on the ice (Stauby squaring off with Goon X of the Whatevers of Wherever is not going to actually ever change anything on the ice) but because of what he represents, and the kind of person he is.

    Teams need guys like Stauby. We had players like him for a while, but opted for the shitty revolving-door with them, which meant they could never really get the CH under their skin. Metro. Tom the Bomb. Downey. Etc… These guys are players that teams rally around, and who get people to pull together.

    Bring ‘im back!

    Oh, and no, we are not, and never were, the ‘laughing stock of the NHL’.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • TomNickle says:

      As long as there is fighting in the NHL. A couple of guys who can do it are important to a team.

      But why not sign a guy like Prust, Nichol, Asham, Dowell, Doan or trade for an effective player like Ott or Clowe?

      Those guys can actually play in the NHL regularly. Not 3 minutes each night.

    • CF says:

      You don’t say! You think a strongman gives a boost do you?
      Well anyone who’s played hockey at any level have been saying this since our team turned into the skilled dwarfs.
      Your comments are still missing the point. You say “Stauby squaring off with Goon X… not going to actually change anything on the ice”, your simply wrong and have no clue unfortunately.
      This game is all about emotion and momentum. Without it, you simply can’t win. And someone like Staubitz can create both. He can change a game with a hit, a fight, or simply his prescence on the ice when needed. Maybe he’s sent out to line up against Lucic, and simply tells him that he’s ready whenever, and that he’s not going to back down, and to keep his head up.
      You don’t think this doesn’t change things on the ice??? Newsflash, you “don’t” have to score to change things on the ice.
      You mention metro in the same light as Tom and Bomb and Downey, these guys are completely different players.
      Metro got people out of their seat with his nifty playmaking and surprising high talent level. Tom the Bomb finished his checks and skated his a** off every shift—but fell short by losing every fight–and without going off topic too far—losing fights can have the opposite effect on emotion and momentum, you can lose both if your guy gets beat down consistently.
      So, Matty, not sure if you’ve ever played, but respectfully if seems like you have not. I have, and realise the true virtues of someone like Staubitz on the bench, on the ice, and in the dressing room. He does change things on the ice, because he can skate, he can hit, and he can actually win a fight.
      Nobody likes loser goons like laraque (spelling??), but players like Staubitz are extremely valuable, and not just for the kind of person he is like you stated.

      • Chris says:

        Who is this goon on Detroit over the years, out of curiosity? They routinely feature the lowest number of fighting majors yet are considered a contender every seasons.

        Who are the designated tough guys on Nashville? They are in the mix every year.

        Any player that needs to see another guy fight to get motivated is not long for the NHL. You should be able to motivate yourself.

        As for whether it changes things to tell a guy that he’s ready whenever, no, I don’t think it changes things. Laraque did just that with Lucic and you know what Lucic did? He ignored him. Why would a guy who can actually play take himself off the ice for 5 minutes with a guy that is a bench-warmer?

        Emelin is a game-changer…guys have to be aware of where he is on the ice whenever he is out there. And he’s good enough to be out there against truly impact players, unlike Staubitz. Unless the Canadiens are hemmed in their zone (more likely when a scrub like that is on the ice), there is no way a guy like that is on the ice against a Zetterberg or Krejci or Thornton. So the guys that you actually want to get off their game, the guys that can hurt you, are sitting comfortably on the bench watching the shenanigans.

        Running out to fight when a teammate has been checked (more often as not legally, by the way) or when your team is getting spanked isn’t motivational. It is farcical…it is the exact juvenile behaviour that you expect in an elementary school playground, not in a sporting arena amongst professional athletes earning ridiculous paycheques. I would sincerely question the mental fortitude of any professional athlete that needs somebody else’s actions to motivate them.

    • Forgive me mattyleg… I was just so upset about the circus that has been going on since the run in 2010. I’ve been a loyal Habs fan since 1968 when I went to my first game at the old Forum. I remember the great teams and stand-up, truly talented players, Lafleur, Savard, Robinson, Carbo, the Pocket Rocket Richard, Dryden and the list goes on. The recent history has been a disaster and yes, players would have nothing to do with the French BS and the moronic administration. Most I’m sure, still view the Habs as the Mecca for hockey as it is, but if given a choice between a US hockey city like Detroit, Philly, New York Rangers and others, Montreal became an after-thought. With Bergevin and the new focus on scouting, player development and we hope a return to class, then “laughing stock” will be a bullet we dodged. But last year, I’m sorry to say, not far from Columbus and the sad situation in Long Island. Good group of players (I went to see a couple of games at Nassau Coliseum and Moulson is GOOD. Last minute nosebleeds at $10! SO sad), just no idea how to run a hockey club.

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  38. TomNickle says:

    I like Brad Staubitz. He stood up for teammates, fought at the end of shifts and really helped the rest of the roster grow a pair.

    Having said that, he’s only a useful player if the line he’s on can be played regularly. So put him and Moen together with a well above average defensive centreman like Jay McClement, Dominic Moore or Scott Nichol and it would work.

    But the notion that he has good speed by NHL standards is well……less than accurate.

    He’s not fast, he doesn’t have a quick first step. He doesn’t have a good shot by NHL standards either.

    He doesn’t have the skills to be a 15 minute per night player in the NHL. And that’s precisely why in six professional seasons he hasn’t been given that opportunity.

    He’s a good fighter who brings energy to the team. If management can’t produce a capable line for him to play on, his value is next to nil.

    You don’t have inflate his less than modest skills to make a potential signing look good.

    It’s like saying Scott Gomez has a great shot or that he’s a very physical player.

    • He costs $600k! Not $7 million for Gomer who can skate, but the rest? Uh?… Well…

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      • TomNickle says:

        What’s the point here?

        Gomez isn’t going to be playing for the Habs this season. Bergevin’s refusal to commit to a decision publicly regarding Gomez’s future should tell you that.

        Gomez not being the player he was five years ago does nothing to inflate the value of a fighter who isn’t capable of playing a regular shift for the Canadiens.

        Staubitz isn’t fast, he doesn’t have a good shot, he isn’t an intelligent hockey player, he isn’t anything to write home about defensively and he produces next to no offense.

        He’s a fighter. That’s it.

        Other players in the NHL not having the skills that they used to doesn’t change that.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          The Gomez situation to me is truly the Million Dollar Question. So much is predicated on the new CBA, what the Habs finally agree on to pay Price and Subban. There are some huge financial implications on the horizon. At this point I think it is hard to say with any definitiveness just what indeed will happen with our Alaskan Anchor.

          • TomNickle says:

            I think that regardless of what happens he’s gone. If a new CBA states that he can’t be sent to Hamilton, he’ll be bought out.

            If a new CBA doesn’t make changes to the cap floor, I really could see a team taking him on their team. Most teams are close to the NHL roster limit and will be hard pressed to find salary to take on.

      • Timo says:

        Gomer doesn’t skate… he gallops.

      • wjc says:

        Question: Is Gomez 7 million or 5.3 million going down to 4.3 million.

        Serious question.


    • Welks says:

      I also like Staubitz. And would not mind him as a spare part for games that require a bit more muscle. But as a regular 4th line option I would like to see MB pursue Brandon Prust. He kills penalties had 2 SHG last year. so I think Pleks can be used a little less on the PK and be more effective offensively.

  39. Say Ash says:

    LOL. A Google translate of the Russian page Stubbs points to describes Andreas Engqvist as a “very nice, fully-developed player. Work out in full in the attack and defense. In a word – a high class center forward.”

  40. HabinBurlington says:

    According to this Nashville Blogger, Nashville is getting closer to signing both Gaustad and Gill.–Season-Finale—SlapShot-Radio-Tonight/24/45242

    • shiram says:

      With the way their trade deadline acquisitions worked out, I feel they have to try to hire those 2, just to save face. Both are serviceable, so that helps.

  41. …and for all of those who are throwing Staubitz under the bus, they forget about his heart, determination and back-stopping almost the entire team instead of Carey getting a snow shower, PK getting after whistle slashes and so on. This team was the laughing stock of the NHL. Once a great franchise, now firing coaches before games, taking Top 6 forwards out of a game for a trade, not sending shirts without fees and so many other disastrous and embarrassing anecdotes that I can fill up a book on the subject.
    So yes, for the grand total of some $600,000 and a roster spot, I believe Staubitz, who can skate and shoot, with some coaching, can improve on production and as a two way player. I noted the fact that he was originally a D and perhaps that would be a good re-look, but guys, really, we have so many needs on this team, to let Staubitz walk when we are trying to rebuild? Imagine Gally playing for a team that can’t stand-up for itself? How long before he’s taken out in a boarding incident?Whether we like it or not, this isn’t a senior league where no checking is allowed. It is far faster than even 20 years ago, the bodies are far bigger and the equipment is far stronger, so we can’t let our gladiators go into any forum without the other team knowing they will pay if they take liberties. Just look at Vancouver. We don’t need any other examples to understand the need.
    Now we can move onto all the the other pressing issues like a weak D (after Gorges, PK, Markov-if he stays healthy and Emelin if he can get his Mojo back when the other teams discovered he won’t fight because his face was rebuilt already once after the vicious beating he took in the KHL-now why besides money, would anyone want to play there? My God, it’s a friggin’ wild west and the planes will kill you!), limited scoring (we won’t in anything if we score 215 goals and even with Price07’s starting line-up, we’d be hard-pressed to score more than that number of goals even with input from Markov, PK and a rotating cast of characters). Our PP sucks, Kaberle was no solution, Our goalie can be spotty (back-up IS spotty) – calm down you Price evangelists, he is no Ken Dryden and even he had off days. Is he a Marc-Andre Fleury, no, but it is hard to put him in Quick, Smith class, just below, yes, but he still needs some seasoning to become a Cup Winner and we have limited fore-checking, back-checking (the truculence, grit and determination that is so often mentioned on this site) and I’m sure I’ve missed something.
    What we seem to have gotten back is a little bit of swagger and shine back to the brand and mystique that once was Les Canadiens de Montreal. Let’s hope Bergevin (yes, not Bergeron) keeps focusing on class as it is a hard to define, but indispensable quality.

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    • shiram says:

      Even with granting the need for a fighter/enforcer, Staubitz has a weak skillset outside of fighting.
      I hope they can do better than him.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I think Bergevin has made it pretty clear he expects the Habs team to become tougher than they have been in the past 3-4 years. However, this doesn’t mean it has to be by having 1 guy that can fight. It means finding multiple players who can play a physical role while helping the team on the ice.

      I don’t think anyone is “throwing Staubiz under the bus”, many are just pointing out the fact he is not a great skater and his hockey skills are limited.

      He definitely made an impression on his teammates, but end of day the team needs to ice a team that will be better than last year.

      • Always the voice of reason. I just see so many moves that have to be made, he would be one less position to fill. Plenty of money to spend too on Price, PK, UFA forwards and maybe a UFA D (not Gill please). Bergevin is still paying Martin among others and let’s not forget about the triple NON-threat in Gomer-Kaberle-Bourque almost $15 million for these three who can’t put up 30 goals a season? (sure when they were at their best, but the last few years, ugh!). Money will dry up fast after the additions to the admin, coaching staff, scouting and we haven’t even started writing player checks yet! I’m sure Molson said he’s spend, but not unlimited cash.

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  42. I don’t know how effective a deterrent really are, and I don’t know if a Lucic is less likely to run Price because Staubitz is in the lineup (I doubt it).

    But I suspect that I speak for a lot of other normally non-violent folks when I say you’ve got to have an answer to a dirty hit or a headshot — that when somebody beats you up, even if you’re not tough enough to defend yourself, and even if you know that beating is unavoidable, you appreciate it when your bigger stronger buddy comes in and rights the wrong for you. That’s not a laudable feeling, and you’re still bruised up, but it’s very human, and I can see it having an impact on the way our boys play. If assigning one of 13 forward spots to a guy like Staubitz, so he can play 30-40 games a year, has a positive impact on team morale, then why not do it? Would we rather have a hot prospect in the press box eating hot dogs?

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  43. HabinBurlington says:

    In two of the three Cup winning years with Detroit, Shanahan was the reg. season top point getter for Detroit (first year includes Hartford stats).

    Also Shanny’s first year in Detroit they finally got over the hump and won the Cup.

    Shanahan was a Complete hockey player. He gave Detroit the luxury of not needing that 4th line Meathead as he was able to police on the ice as a player, all the while being a great goal scorer.

    2 50goal seasons, 4 other 40+goal seasons. Pretty impressive.

    Would have loved to have seen him come to Montreal when he instead went to New York.

    • Chris says:

      No question that he is a great player.

      I think when it comes to Sundin vs. Shanahan, the presence of such a strong contingent of experienced international players (Peter Stastny, Anders Hedberg and Igor Larionov) would certainly give some added heft to Sundin’s absolutely ridiculous international resume.

      I would have thought that Sundin would be a shoo-in…we spend so much time lauding big centres on this website that a 6’5″ and 231 pound centre that averaged 34 goals and 82 points per season (based on an 82 game schedule) should get a big more love. 😉

      For those that care, Shanahan averaged 35 goals and 73 points per season over his career.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Had he come to Montreal for a couple seasons, I am sure opinions may have changed. But interestingly enough, I find it curious how many die hard Leaf fans I know that would far rather have Gilmour or Clark on their team instead of Sundin.

        Sundin’s biggest mistake was that he made the game look pretty easy. He had that rare ability to do most things while looking effortless.

        I did always think he could have upped the ante a bit in the playoffs and provide a bit more physical spark, but he certainly is among the best Swede’s to have played in the NHL. I still give that title to Salming and Lidstrom.

        • Chris says:

          I think Sundin’s biggest mistake, regarding Leafs fans, was being born in Bromma, Sweden instead of Swift Current, Saskatchewan or Kingston, Ontario. :)

          • HabinBurlington says:


          • Luke says:

            I think (as a huge Leaf hater) that Sundin is the best player to ever play for that team.

            I have always likened him to their Jean Beliveau. Certainly not the same calibre of “legendary all-time, league-wide great” but as far as the classy team first leader; Sundin played that role, and ultimately he gets dumped on for doing it.

            Leaf fans revere a guy who played parts of 6 of his 18 year career for them, but crap on the guy who didn’t want to leave. He should have been treated with respect by the organization instead of the not so subtle media campaign to try and bully him out of the city.

            I don’t recall exactly, but I assume that was Burkie in the role of GM at that point. Seems like his usual “i hate the media, oh wait, let me use the media to do things I complain about” BS

          • ed lopaz says:

            Sundin was a center, Shanahan was a winger.

            its very hard to compare the 2 players.

            I watched both play their entire careers, and I would take both on my team in a heartbeat.

            Shanny added a tough dimension, a fighting side, that Sundin never showed.


          • ed lopaz says:

            Chris, Borje Salming was immensely popular. Not all Leaf fans agree with Don Cherry.

          • Chris says:

            Ed: Very true about Salming.

            But I do think that Sundin was unfairly maligned over the years, at least partially because he followed the beloved Gilmour and was traded for Wendel Clark.

      • issie74 says:

        Shanahan played on stacked Detroit teams,Sundin usually had nothing to work with.

        I have always thought if he had gone to Colorado with the AVS,things would have been different for Matts JMHO


  44. That was funny! Dave’s link on Enqvist brought me to the Russian teams site. Anyone know how to read Russian?

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  45. shiram says:

    Ralph Krueger will apparently be named head coach of the Oilers.

  46. mark-ID says:

    Coyotes GM saying Doan likely to test free agent market….as per TSN.

    That is good news.

    He is 35….so probably no more then 2 year deal. What would you guys offer him? Remember probably no more Gomez.

    “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

    • shiram says:

      Unless he signs in the East, but not for the Habs…
      He’ll likely want a raise, but his last 2 seasons have not been overwhelming.
      His stint of court BS with the ref Coderre seems like a deterent to bring him here, seeing as it’s definately on the agenda of Marc Bergevin to promote Québecois and French.

      • mark-ID says:

        You are probably right….but I don’t know what it is…call it faith….but I really think MB will bring in some good UFA’s this year. Just get that feeling.

        I think when you look at the front office Habs are putting together….it will make us more attractive to play for then in previous years.

        “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

        • shiram says:

          There is this air of optimism with the Habs now, basically because things went bad, and management got an overhaul. I also think Bergevin will try his best to make the team compete for the playoffs asap. My thinking is that they will most likely not land any of the BIG UFA, but they can still improve the team with some smaller signing.

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      Don’t want him.

  47. shiram says:

    Goodbye to Nokelainen, Engqvist and Blunden, wish you guys the best of luck.

    I never got on the Staubitz bandwagon, and I’m glad to see I’m not alone! Even conceding that the Habs could need a player that can enforce and fight, Staubitz is a poor fit, as you can’t really have him on the ice for many shifts. They would need alot of improvement elsewhere to accomodate a player of Staubitz’s skills.
    I hope MTL aims for a better player than him.

  48. HabinBurlington says:

    Lots of different perspectives in this article regarding Shanahan and the HHOF “snub” per se.

    • krob1000 says:

      thanks that was a good read….
      I am glad someone else seems ticked….I was in complete shock.

    • aj says:

      If it only wasn’t for Shanny’s job as the sheriff in the NHL, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him get nominated for the HHOF. The guy gets a lot of flak. Sure I don’t agree with some of the calls he does but he’s doing a good job maintaining player discipline. The best one that he gave was with Raffi Torres. That’s a pain in the ass and this player is still going to serve the remaining of that 25 game suspension come next season (depending on the CBA turnout).

  49. frontenac1 says:

    Berkies Hot Dogs at the ACC Suck!! The old Forum Hot Dogs were the Best!! Man,they were good. Anybody tried the dogs at the Bell Centre? Oh yeah, Sign Staubitz!!

    • Habitall says:

      People in Montreal don’t realize how good they have it food-wise. Living in Toronto, you can eat well at the upper levels, but the common-man’s food, like hot dogs and pizza, are just not comparable to what you get in Montreal. In fact, having lived in the States as well, I don’t think there is anything comparable to a Montreal steamed hot dog, with moutard and chou!

      Outside New York, the pizza is also not comparable to what you get in Montreal.

      • songles says:

        Man. I hate Montreal pizza. It’s the absolute worst. Toronto completely destroys Montreal in the pizza arena.

        I actually think Montreal, which I generally love for food, has slipped behind Toronto in most food categories over the last 3 to 5 years, including cheap stuff and take-out. Toronto has been on a steady climb. Montreal is still a little more affordable though, especially for booze.

        One thing is for sure: the restaurant culture in Montreal is far superior to Toronto. People eat and drink more leisurely in public and there are way more great patios that are exposed to the main streets. It just feels way more sociable.

  50. Price07 says:

    I would sign Staubitz as a 13th forward but it depends if the habs can sign someone like Prust and whether or not they sign Darche. He is a solid player, like Moen he can fight and chip in some points and having both Moen and Prust would be pretty awesome. One could play on a third line with Eller and someone who can score and the other would play on a 4th line. I say this because a) i thought Prust would be a good signing and then b) i’ve read that he actually has interest in coming here as apparently he’s married to a quebec girl and wouldn’t mind coming here so she could be close to home.

    For example, I have a feeling their going to sign Parenteau, assuming that happens the forwards would be:

    1. Pacioretty
    2. Desharnais
    3. Cole
    4. Plekanec
    5. Bourque
    6. Parenteau
    7. Gionta
    8. Eller
    9. Moen
    10. White
    11. 4th line center

    that leaves 2 (3 spots maximum) for: Darche, Prust and Staubitz. That’s also assuming Galchenyuk doesn’t make the team (I don’t think he should, since he only played one year of junior).

    • what-ever says:

      Don’t worry about Galchenyuk he won’t be coming to the big team in 2012 I don’t remember a junior player ever making the Montreal Canadiens, so don’t hold your breath MB has other plans….

      • TomNickle says:

        Guillame Latendresse.

        And Carey Price only played two games for Hamilton in the season prior to his first call up.

        • Chuck says:

          To be fair, Carey also handled their Calder Cup playoff run, too.

          Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment.

          • TomNickle says:


            And Latendresse played 3 full years of junior. It certainly isn’t unheard of for a #3 overall pick to make his team out of his first training camp though.

            I doubt it will happen. But we’ll see.

      • D Mex says:

        Where did Lafleur play immediately before Montréal ?

        ALWAYS Habs –
        D Mex

  51. Habitall says:

    Earlier there were some comments about a 4th line consisting of White-Staubitz-Moen. I think that’s flawed. From what I saw last year, Moen is no longer a 4th liner. He exceeded expectations when in the Top 6, and I see him as a 3rd liner, at the minimum. It’s not all about having soft hands. You need a net crasher who can score the dirty goals, and is willing to use a big body and take the punishment to do so. Worth keeping, but not as a 4th liner.

    As for Staubitz, I like him, but is it possible that Ian Shultz is ready for a closer look? He’s bigger, can fight, and had good offensive numbers in junior.

    • Price07 says:

      Agreed, unless Galchenyuk makes the team I would see Moen on a line with Eller and someone like either Gionta, Parenteau (if they sign him) or even someone like Leblanc if he makes the team.

  52. what-ever says:

    Lets see what Burke does than we’ll compare teams. His biggest weakness he can’t seem to come up with a steady Goaltender. kinda like Philly that’s what’s holding them back.

  53. what-ever says:

    Staubitz brings energy and can scrap nothing else.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      as a 13th forward I don’t think that is too bad. I don’t mind him as an extra forward on the 4th line. 4th line doesn’t get enough ice time to really expect much else I am afraid.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I think the love-in with Staubitz is because with his arrival it signalled a change in the guard as it relates to the Habs of the past few years. I personally have never been a fan of having a one dimensional goon our squad, having said that I was tired of other teams players having zero fear of taking advantage our players (Be it late hits, cheap shots etc..).

      This is isn’t to say that upon his arrival every team stopped doing that, but you could almost see the players puffing their chests out a little more and feeling as though someone had their back.

      He may not be a fit in Montreal, I said yesterday, having him as an extra roster player who plays in perhaps 30-50% of the games I could live with. But I don’t think our team is better off if he ends up dressing close to 82 games. Maybe I didn’t get to watch him enough, but I don’t think he is effective enough as a skater to provide us with a true energy 4th line that can provide 8 mins a night.

    • RGM says:

      Which is a good thing to have in a 4th line guy/13th forward. Rotate him into the lineup on those nights where some extra sandpaper is required (i.e. Boston, Philly) and let him do his thing to contribute.

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  54. HabinBurlington says:

    Pat Burns had great charisma about him, while he was coach of the Habs I loved the passion he brought to the bench. When he came to Toronto, he brought that same spirit to the Leafs Bench. So many Leaf fans I know still feel he has been their best coach of the past 20 years, although Quinn probably had better results.

    My only point is that I think in Canada’s two largest hockey markets Pat Burns made a large impact on the cities and both fans believed in him. It was difficult for us to watch him battle Cancer and eventually lost that fight. But I think Burns just tugged at fans emotions different than most coaches ever do, therefore I think many people want him in the Hall for heartfelt reasons and don’t care so much about the stats. Be it right or wrong, that is how I see it.

  55. Kooch7800 says:

    Man, I really think it is time for me to start following the sport of swimming:–oly.html

    It seems to be very interesting…..

  56. aj says:

    Best wishes to Engqvist if he will go to the KHL. From the way I’m seeing it right now, part of the reason why Blunden was not given an offer sheet was to make way for more acquisitions from the Bulldogs to play here and the possible UFA signings that might take place in July.

  57. frankcasting says:

    Was Pat Burns *really* that exceptional as a coach? One lousy Cup, fired by everyone along the way when his schtick and tough-guy cop routine wore itself out? Or was he a popular but sick man for whom we all felt pity? Fred Shero, much as I despised his teams and bully tactics, is the coach who is being most overlooked right now. He changed the game in many ways, not just a goon coach, won two cups.

    As for Enqvist, SEE YA !!

    Loving the Habs since 1965

    • commandant says:

      Every coach has his Schtick wear itself out now a days with multimillion dollar players who don’t revere coaches as gods and know they will be picked up by another team if their coach hates them.

      But Burns has a cup and was 3 time coach of the year in 3 different cities.

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      • Chris says:

        Not even close to true.

        Lindy Ruff has been in Buffalo for 14 seasons.
        Barry Trotz has been in Nashville for 12 seasons.
        Mike Babcock has been in Detroit for 7 seasons.

        Those are the best coaches in the league right now.

        Jacques Lemaire had runs of 5 years in New Jersey and then 8 years in Minnesota. His teams never quit on him.

        Pat Burns is a good coach but he was only an exceptional coach on very good teams. The Montreal team he inherited had been fighting for the President’s Trophy the previous two seasons. The New Jersey team he inherited had been fighting for the Stanley Cup the previous two seasons. His tenures in Toronto and Boston were not spectacular.

        Burns is a coach that can take a good team and, as a disciplinarian, whip them into contender status. But like similar coaches of that style (Keenan, Hitchcock, Wilson), the players eventually revolted or simply stopped listening.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Chris, I kind of agree but have some apprehensions about completely agreeing. I think it is fair to say that for many of the Preds and Sabres seasons the expectations of the team were not the same as the expectations in cities like Montreal, Toronto, Rangers, Philly, Boston etc…

          It will be interesting to watch specifically what happens in the next season or two in Buffalo. They finally have an owner willing to spend to the cap and this has now changed the expectations of Buffalo fans. Prior to Pegula owning the team, it was always known that Buffalo would not spend to the cap, thus giving the almost built in excuse that this team was not expected to win a Cup or challenge for it. I believe this was also the case for many years in Nashville.

          This is not a critique of the styles both Ruff and Trotz employ but rather a statement to how fans react to the teams results.

          I like both coaches a great deal, and also believe them to be in the top echelon of NHL coaches. BUt were those two coaching in a different market, I seem to think that the terms of their run may indeed have been shorter.

          Even Detroits coach Babcock will begin to feel some heat now in Detroit as they are not challenging for the Western Conference as consistently as they were in previous years.

          • Chris says:

            The thing that always nagged at me with Burns is that very good teams quit on him.

            The Montreal Canadiens won the Stanley Cup the year after they let Pat Burns go.

            The Toronto Maple Leafs had Doug Gilmour, Mats Sundin, Dave Andreychuk, Larry Murphy, Mike Gartner, Kenny Jonsson, and Felix Potvin in Burns’ last season in Toronto but were floundering with a sub-.500 record.

            In Burns’ last full season in Boston, they were floundering well below .500, at least partially due to injuries. When he was fired, they brought in another disciplinarian (Keenan) and the team’s record went from 24-33-19-6 under Burns the previous year (and 3-4-1-0 in the first 8 games of that season) to 33-26-7-8 under Keenan. That’s a pretty hefty swing.

            Like I said above, Burns should and probably will get in some day. But I can definitely understand why it hasn’t happened yet.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            That is true Chris, Burns definitely seemed to epitomize the Short Term Shelf Life of an NHL coach. I loved the guy, but no denying he was the guy you bring in for a 2-3 year stint and then move on.

            In some ways very similar to that of our new old Coach Therrien.

    • aj says:

      Pat Burns deserves a shot for the HHOF.

    • Ali says:

      still one more cup than Sundin won. Two time coach of the year, what else can a coach do to get in?

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      I have to agree. Not to say he was not a good coach but the push for Burns to be in the hall had more to do with sympathy for his health problems than actual accomplishment. At some point, the HoF becomes a laughing matter if there aren’t any merely good players, coaches or managers who DON’T make it in. Having said that, Shanahan’s statistics are way more convincing than Sundin’s, by a long shot. Winning should be a factor.

      • Chris says:

        How are Shanahan’s statistics way more convincing, let alone by a long shot?

        Sundin outscored Shanahan in fewer games. Sundin had, and there can be no question that is by a ridiculous margin, a far weaker supporting cast.

        How many times in his career was Shanahan even the top player on his own team? At the start of his career in New Jersey, John MacLean and Kirk Muller were the Devils’ leaders. In St. Louis, he was overshadowed by Brett Hull, and cashed in on the space created by teams focusing on Hull and the opportunity to play with one of the game’s top playmakers in Craig Janney.

        In his sole season where he was “the man”, playing for Hartford in 1995-96, he was a point-per-game player on an absolutely dreadful team (34-39-9).

        In Detroit, he played with an All-World roster of stars: Steve Yzerman, Sergei Fedorov, Nicklas Lidstrom, Vladimir Konstantinov, Henrik Zetterberg, Brett Hull, Dino Ciccarelli, Luc Robitaille, and Pavel Datsyuk.

        Who were Sundin’s top linemates? Steve Thomas for a year or two? Darcy Tucker? Nik Antropov and Alex Ponikarovsky? Nikolai Borchevsky?

        Sundin was a beast internationally, Shanahan was average.

        Sundin carried his team on his back as far as he could, while Shanahan got to ride on some of the most stacked teams in recent memory.

        Winning is a factor, but you have to include all the factors if you are going to count winning. Shanahan will get in next season, but if I were picking my team tomorrow and I have the choice between Sundin and Shanahan in their respective primes, I’ll take Sundin. He did everything for the Leafs: played ridiculous minutes, killed penalties, played on the power play, carried their offence almost single-handedly and soldiered through terrible management with class and dignity.

        • krob1000 says:

          From the winning perspective those stacked teams matter….but they may have actually hinderded his individual stats as the top quality icetime and pp time,etc would likely be divided and shared more evenly amongst the vets. The winning is always a factor…as many will point out to me re the Saku Koiuv Montreal jersey debate(etc) and I use your rationale…I just think Shanahan should have got the nod. He had better career stats(while playing an entimidating role.) …, he won at every level,
          here is something to consider…if you average him at 20 minutes per game…his 2489 PIM’s is the equivalent to 124 games…that is a season and a half in the penalty box!!! His time with Hull also meant he was not the go to guy as well… also remove his rookie seasona nd his alst 2 seasons and he is far closer to a point per game guy….perhaps he overstayed his welcome….
          They are diff’t players and to say Shanny couldn;t carry a team is exactly like saying Sundin could have won elsewhere..Shanny waas never the go to guy because he never had to be the only guy….pples and oranges…..I guess inthe case I just figured the apple should have got in before the orange.

          • Chris says:

            They were never so stacked that he wasn’t getting top ice time. He was typically averaging about 18:30 of ice time per night in those days. He was getting about 1/3 of his points and goals on the power play. In the late 1990’s, that power play saw he and Yzerman as the scorers and Fedorov and Lidstrom as the primary set-up men, with Kozlov or Larionov rounding out the quintet. You’d better score some goals with the calibre of that passing! :)

            I don’t put a lot of stock in penalty minutes as an indicator of a player’s value. A penalty means you aren’t available for you team and that a lesser player is now on the ice. Furthermore, it means the other team is on the power play more often than not. So while Shanahan gets a lot of credit for penalty minutes, I don’t really give any. He was a good physical player, but he was prone to bone-headed penalties because of his temper.

            They are both great players. I’m just shocked that so many people see Shanahan as a slam-dunk better player than Sundin, because that was certainly never my impression over the past two decades.

        • Thomas Le Fan says:

          Oh and no other HoFers played for “stacked” teams? Sundin was a beast? This is sports. I’ll take a winner every time. Shanahan was a winner. 3 cups. More games played. More points including way more playoff points. More PIM which is more beastly, imho. As for international play, Shanahan wasn’t too shabby in that regard either. Maybe I shouldn’t have said, “by a long shot” but the 3 cups made me do it.

          • Chris says:

            That’s the point…lots of Hall of Famers played on stacked teams (although few enjoyed teams as stacked as the Red Wings of the late 1990’s and early 2000’s).

            But Sundin did not. He had to carry the load all by himself…and he still matched Shanahan’s production.

            Sundin (a playmaker) averaged ONE fewer goal per season than Shanahan (the sniper) over his career…does anybody believe that surrounding him with Yzerman, Fedorov, Lidstrom and Larionov or Kozlov would not see account for that difference and then some?

            Would Detroit win any fewer Stanley Cups with Mats Sundin on the left wing instead of Brendan Shanahan? How about Colorado?

            My guess is no, but we’ll unfortunately never know the answer to that question.

        • Thomas Le Fan says:

          What’s just the point? Shanahan was on a stacked team so Sundin should go in the hall first even though Shanahan, besides having better stats, has three cup rings to Sundin’s … none? I won’t speculate on what may have been. It doesn’t mean a thing. Winning is the difference between greatness and merely being a good player. Sundin was a good player but did not lead his team to any success, whatsoever. Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing. Sort of why we tend to think Guy Lafleur was a better player than Marcel Dionne. No?

    • wjc says:

      Well said. People are more worried about it then Shero and Burns seem to be.


  58. commandant says:

    Rumors swirling that Engqvist has signed with a club in the KHL.

    I predicted he’d go to Sweden, so I guess I was wrong on this one.

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    • knob says:

      doesn’t matter. Engqvist had no future role with this team.

      ef this

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Stubbs mentions it above so it is confirmed. No more Engqvist….oh well for his size he was softer than a pillow

    • TheKarl says:

      His team back in Sweden got demoted last year, I’m sure he considered other Swedish teams but he had no loyalty towards any of them. So, why not cash in by going to the KHL? he just did what other fringe players (Dawes, Boyd, Trotter) have done the past years – make more and play against better players (than the AHL) in the KHL.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      How many more years does Montreal still have the rights for Enqvist? Perhaps a new league will be good for his development. He seemed to have the tools but just wasn’t progressing to NHL level. Wish him well.

  59. Chris says:

    Why is Pat Burns such a sure-fire pick?

    In Montreal, he inherited a team that had been in the mix for the President’s Trophy in the two previous seasons. He then guided them to 2nd overall and a Stanley Cup Finals loss to Calgary, before seeing the teams performance drop off a bit over the next three seasons.

    In Toronto, he inherited a bad team that had started to turn it around the season before he arrived with Cliff Fletcher’s acquisition of Doug Gilmour. Burns didn’t really do anything better with the roster than his predecessor (Tom Watt) until Fletcher acquired Dave Andreychuk and Daren Puppa in February of that first season, at which point the Leafs went on a tear that only ended in the Conference Finals on the controversial Gretzky/Gilmour incident. But the next three seasons were mediocre in terms of both regular season and playoff success.

    He then went to Boston who were coming off a season where they slumped to last overall. This was probably his best coaching job, as he was for the only time involved in helping a team rebuild. Nonetheless, his results in Boston were mediocre (9th, 8th and 22nd overall and then fire mid-season) and the team never got past the second round.

    In his final two years as coach, he took over a New Jersey Devils team that had been frequent contenders for the Stanley Cup and won the Stanley Cup before getting beat in the first round in his second season.

    Pat Burns’ teams only progressed past the second round of the playoffs four times in his fourteen NHL seasons. I think that that statistic is probably what had held him back a bit. A coach can only be judged off their team’s success, and Burns’ teams were simply not as successful as the reputation might warrant.

    Pat Burns is 18th in career games coached, 16th in regular season wins, 6th in playoff games goached, and 8th in playoff wins. He is not amongst the top 20 in win percentage. And then there is the obvious fact that he is the only coach with 3 Jack Adams Trophy wins, although I don’t put as much stock in that as others given how often that trophy is given to the coach of the team that experiences the biggest turnaround without factoring in personnel changes that contributed as much or more than the coach did.

    The problem for Burns is that so many of his compatriots have similar numbers. How do we rank Burns against Jacques Lemaire, Ken Hitchcock, Joel Quenneville, Marc Crawford, Bryan Murray, Jacques Martin, Mike Keenan, Pat Quinn, Barry Trotz and Ron Wilson? All of these coaches have records as good or better than the career record of Pat Burns. One can’t argue that Burns didn’t enjoy strong teams, because he inherited Stanley Cup contenders in both Montreal and New Jersey for six of his fourteen seasons.

    Then you have Bob Johnson and Scotty Bowman that are already in the Hockey Hall of Fame.

    Personally, I have Burns behind Lemaire, Bowman and Hitchcock, and on par with Quenneville, Keenan and Darryl Sutter of coaches in his era. If Ron Wilson manages to win a Stanley Cup, his career looks even better on paper than that of Burns, but I would hate to see such a complete jerk get into the Hall of Fame. Nonetheless, he has been a great coach at various stops along the way…you just need to keep him in markets without a big media presence. :)

    So the question is how deep do you want to go in naming coaches to the Hall of Fame when the pool you are selecting from is 50-75 names (discounting the coaches that disappeared after 2-3 seasons).

    For me, Burns should be in. But I can understand why it hasn’t happened yet.

    • TomNickle says:

      Glad you mentioned Crawford. I compared the two when the coaching search was happening and I probably don’t need to tell you how that turned out on this site.

      Their careers are eerily similar.

    • commandant says:

      3 time coach of the year, in 3 different cities.

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      • TomNickle says:

        And there’s something to be said for being a media darling. If Barry Trotz were a great interview he’d have three Jack Adams awards already.

      • Chris says:

        Jacques Demers is the only guy to do it back-to-back. He also has a Stanley Cup victory. Where does he fit in the puzzle?

        The two best coaches of the past decade, in my opinion, are Barry Trotz in Nashville (nobody has done more with less) and Mike Babcock in Anaheim/Detroit. They have combined for the grand total of 0 coach of the year awards.

        The coach of the year is rarely the best coach, but instead simply the guy whose team had the best turnaround.

    • boing007 says:

      JM has more victories, but it has taken him 20+ seasons to get there.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

      • Chris says:

        Pat Burns’ teams secured 57.3% of the points available(49.2% of games won outright) to 55.1% for Jacques Martin (47.3% of games won outright).

        Given that Martin was involved in two serious rebuilding efforts (Ottawa in the mid 1990’s, Florida in the mid 2000’s) that difference is negligible.

    • krob1000 says:

      I liked you Sundin post …..just wanted to mention I had no problems with him getting the nod…and I noticed you did mention Shanahan…it wasn’t just his Stanley Cups, he won at every level. He also is the best combination of toughness and offense statistically in history (or so I understood it). He has been an invaluable contributor to the game off the ice as well….being 13 in all time goal scoring in combination with his being eprhaps the best power forward of all time plus his wjinning everything, plus his other contributions…to me he was neck and neck with Sakic and they were both ahead of Sundin and Oates.
      Shanny had more career goals by over a 100 and had more career points (yes your point about Sundin outscorinmg him in similar seasons is valid) but so is longevity
      I can just see no means of justifying Sundin over Shanahan….both are slam dunks…but one should have been a Michael Jordan type slam dunk…..

      • Chris says:

        Shanahan, to me, simply was never a go-to player. He was Scottie Pippen, not Michael Jordan. That’s not a bad thing…Pippen was one of the greatest players in NBA history too and a slam-dunk Hall of Fame player.

        But Shanahan was never asked to carry a team (except with Hartford, which was not a rousing success and Shanahan wormed his way out of town awfully fast), so I struggle to compare him to guys like Jordan or Sakic.

        Switch their places and Sundin to me has a far better numbers than his already stellar career, and Shanahan falls off considerably.

        The two big differences between Sundin and Shanahan as power forwards was that Shanahan scored goals and fought, while Sundin was a playmaker without any truly elite snipers to cash in on his passing. But Sundin’s power forward game was SERIOUSLY underrated. He could bull his way anywhere on the ice and was a handful for any player to contain because of his unique combination of massive size (6’5″ and 230 pounds) and above average speed (particularly early in his career when he was playing lighter).

        I think Sundin gets punished by playing in Toronto where people perceive that every player is overhyped. In some cases, this is true. But I watched enough of Sundin over the years with the Leafs (being stuck in Ontario, that’s all you get sometimes), the Swedish National Team and early in his career with the Nordiques. I would take Sundin over Shanahan any day of the week.

        This isn’t diminishing Shanahan, who I think is a wonderful hockey player. I just think Sundin was ridiculously good.

  60. what ever says:

    wait it out. maybe surprises. Ian says 6 new faces this year.

  61. 24 Cups says:

    Test post – 24 Cups posting as commandant.

    EDIT: Even though I was logged in as commandant my post still came out as 24 Cups. Strange times on HI/O.

  62. TomNickle says:

    With my Bergevin hat on for a second. Here would be my short list by position of need for free agents on Sunday.

    C – Jay McClement, Paul Gaustad, Adam Burish.

    W – Jiri Hudler, Shane Doan, Brian Rolston

    D – Jason Garrison, Dennis Wideman, Bryan Allen

    • what ever says:

      Good fill in’s for a year or two

    • petefleet says:

      Paul Gaustad is a pu**y. No thanks.
      Brian Rolston is too small.
      Dennis Wideman would make an immediate impact on the PP.
      Shane Doan aint leaving the desert.
      Hudler will probably stay in DET.
      I don’t know about the others.


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      • TomNickle says:

        The same Gaustad who fought Lucic?
        Brian Rolston is 6’2 and over 200 pounds so I’m not sure who in the hell you’re thinking of.

        Seems you don’t know about most of them.

        • petefleet says:

          You’re something else Tom. I know about you. Ever make a mistake? Is it hard going through life being perfect?

          Gaustad sat and watched Lucic run over his goalie. The next game he reluctantly fought Lucic to save face.
          I’ll admit I thought Rolston was small because he doesn’t play big. My miostake for assuming.
          Have a nicer day.


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    • 24 Cups says:

      Hudler is a half miler, I’ll pass.

      Doan is going to be the consolation prize after Parise signs. He’s going to a Cup contender, not a team like Montreal. Maybe LA signs him and dumps Penner. Rolston played a few good games for the Bruins but it’s all over for this guy.

      Wideman is going to get a sweet contract. Will Garrison be overpriced? Allen works well in terms of the Habs but there will be lots of pursuers.

      I have copyright on McClement becoming a Hab so get in line:-) Will Nashville giving up a 1st rounder for Gaustad overinflate his true worth?

      • TomNickle says:

        I’ll take a half miler 50 point guy. I think Nash and Ryan will be the consolation prizes to Parise but you may be right. Garrison said he wants to play in Vancouver but that wouldn’t stop me from trying. Same principle with Wideman.

        When did you get on McClement Steve? I was on him a couple of months ago. But I’ll trust your memory far more than mine.

        • 24 Cups says:

          I think the difference with Nash and Ryan is that they are going to cost you some real concrete assets.

          Parise and Doan just cost you dollars (I’m pretty sure Doan will be a +35 contract)

          If Phoenix loses Doan and Yandle, how do they rationalize that to their (limited) fan base?

    • neumann103 says:

      Tom, some good choices and maybe older guys like Doan are looking for short term deals at too much money (and the Habs really ought not to fear the 1 year overpayment) but surely guys like Hudler, Gaustad and Wideman want term, and does that fit in with the Habs plan?

      Got to say, I am not feeling Brian Rolston, though.

      “Et le but!”

      • TomNickle says:

        Rolston’s shot is among the best in the league. I would sign him to a one year deal in a heartbeat and have him on the powerplay’s first unit.

        His time in New Jersey with Brian Gionta could prove to be an asset as well.

    • Chris says:

      At 39 and in serious decline, I wouldn’t go near Rolston with a fifty-foot pole. I won’t be surprised if he actually retires this summer…he looked completely done in the couple of games I saw him in last year. He had a renaissance with the Bruins, but I think that that might have been a one off thing. His skating has really started to desert him.

      I like McClement because he would free up Plekanec to be more offensive. But with his faceoff and defensive skills, he stands to get a bigger contract offer than the Canadiens are probably willing to dole out. Gaustad will likely be too expensive as well, although I still can’t figure out what teams see in that guy to offer him so much money.

      • TomNickle says:

        I still can’t believe that Regier got a 1st round pick for him. I keep thinking the Habs/Preds deal and Sabres/Preds deals were backwards in return.

        On Rolston. He could be a very quick and cheap fix to the powerplay.

      • krob1000 says:

        would you go after Whitney at LW for a year? I think I would

    • krob1000 says:

      I would take a one year shot at Ray Whitney if he is coming back this season …can be a left winger and great on the pp …short term fixand class act…seeing as though PHX is in tough it might be one to consider

  63. JohnBellyful says:

    So the NHL and players’ union are to open talks on a new collective bargaining agreement this Friday. Big deal!
    Well, at 475 pages, that goes without saying. What isn’t so special is the virtual certainty that an early start on talks will not lead to a deal being struck before the current one expires in mid-September. You know why, of course. Both sides are led by lawyers. Expect a lot of verbiage and little progress as they work their way through pages of legalese. Surely there’s a better way to arrive at a contract.
    Fortunately, there is. Hockey is a sport so let the spirit of competition infuse the negotiations. Each side states their position and then Bettman and Fehr decide the matter by way of a contest, tête-à-tête, mano-a-mano, foot-to-foot.
    Imagine how quickly the league and union could resolve the more contentious issues:

    Revenue sharing: Scrabble
    Buyout amnesty: Both men are confined to a room and drink a litre of water every half-hour. The first one to leave to go to the washroom removes objection to other side’s proposal. (No adult diapers allowed.)
    Salary cap: darts (rings denote payroll ranges; bull’s-eye confers right to set figure)
    Realignment of teams: arm wrestling
    Disciplinary measures: dodgeball (each side chooses three members from its negotiating team)
    Grievances: Shootout (ball hockey style, each man takes turn in net)
    Escrow disbursements: crokinole
    Rule changes: Rock, paper, scissors
    Free agency: staring contest
    International competition: NHL 2013 (EA Sports)
    Entry level compensation: home run derby (a concession to Fehr’s baseball background)

    The negotiations shouldn’t last more than a week under these conditions, and could generate a great deal of revenue for the players’ retirement fund if the contests were televised.

  64. HabFanSince72 says:

    It’s a bit strange that pretty much everyone here thinks the most important need for next season is more truculence. Staubitz, a third pairing D-man who can clear the crease and fight, a Chris Neil type Carkner, Konopka!, etc … But we have at most 5 forwards and two defencemen who can actually put the puck in the net.

    Yet, you probably all think Brian Burke is a fool.

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • TomNickle says:

      I think that if Brian Burke is targeting goal scoring through trade and free agency and isn’t targeting goaltending and better depth on defense, he is a fool when it comes to his hockey team.

      But that’s nothing new.

      1. Traded those picks for Kessel thinking his team was better than it was even though it had the same problems then that it does now only with lesser offensive ability.

      2. Signed Tim Connolly expecting him to magically become tough.

      3. Signed Mike Komisarek to a big contract thinking that his play in Montreal didn’t have anything to do with Andrei Markov.

      4. Hired Randy Carlyle with a roster that is near complete opposite of the kind of roster a Randy Carlyle roster should be.

      5. Did I mention yet that every pick he makes at the draft would have been his choice at #1 overall. Kids can be naive but they aren’t all necessarily stupid.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I like Staubitz but I think he plays forward in the NHL. Coming up he played D and then when he went pro I think they turned him into a forward. I wonder what he would be like on D

    • knob says:

      With all due respect, and I agree our offense is lame, but Staubitz brings swagger and energy to the team. In actuality, I would prefer to have White, Staubitz, and another “truculant” guy for the fourth line. These types of players know full well that there ice time is minimal so if anything, you play your 4th line 8 minutes a game and free up the other 3 lines to play more. Win, win in my opinion. And yes Burke is a fool.

      ef this

    • Chris says:

      It boggles my mind as well.

      Yeats hit it best a few years ago when he mocked this site for the amount of time that people on this site spend dissecting role players, 7th defencemen, part-time goons and energy line players.

      They all serve a role, but your team is going to flat out stink if you can’t score goals. With the current collection of forwards, this team can’t score goals. Until that is fixed, we can bring in sandpaper/grit/NAG/truculence or whatever people want to call it and it won’t change a thing.

      The easiest thing to find in hockey are role players, although I will admit that finding role players that can actually contribute offensively (like Boston’s fourth line in their Stanley Cup season) is very difficult.

  65. wjc says:

    Don’t have no inside information.
    Don’t have no draft reports.
    Wasn’t invited to no meetings at Bell center
    No coffee shop scoops.
    No good at spellin and grammor
    I got no nothin.
    Only thing I gots is my imagination and I am all imagined out.

    • TomNickle says:

      That’s real deep man? Are you a poet?

      • wjc says:

        Am I a poet? I think Gomez will have a comeback season, does that make me a poet or a nut.
        I think Galchenyuk will go back to Sarnia.
        I think Kabrele will play this year beside a hard nosed, snarling defenseman and all will even out, Kabrele will move puck smoothly out of the zone with nice passes and rushes and the partner will dare anyone to stand near the crease.
        I think Bergeron will carefully consider this team and its needs before throwing anyone in the trash heap.

        I don’t think ownership is anxious to pay someone big/BIG bucks to play in hamilton even if comes off the salary cap.

        If Gomez cannot keep up in training camp, loses a step or whatever he will be dealt with. A motivated Gomez on the proper line, with the proper coaching could make “Montreal Canadiens” fans very happy. After all we are not hoping he fails are we?

        So the proper question is am I a poet or a nut?

        Be careful I am sensitive and my feelings are hurt easily.

        • TomNickle says:

          I think your Galchenyuk and Kaberle predictions are reasonable and to a certain extent can be expected.

          Gomez? Not so much. He won’t sniff the Bell Centre Ice this year.

        • boing007 says:

          Bergevin, not Bergeron.

          Richard R
          Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

          • wjc says:

            You say pototo, I say paatatoe, lets call the whole thing off. I think mis-spelling is a way of making it your own.

            Spellling is like an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce good spelling.


  66. Phil C says:

    @ Commandant

    I was also shocked Gragnani was not qualified. He was aweful for Vancouver last year, but it’s hard to believe that they would not have received at least a 7th round pick for him as an RFA. Letting him walk makes no sense.

    He is a Montreal native so I was thinking he would be worth a thought for the Habs, but with Weber and Diaz filling the offensive Dman role already, I’m not sure the Habs have room for him. Would you rank Gragnani ahead of Weber?

    • commandant says:

      I would, but I wouldn’t rank him ahead of Diaz.

      I already believe we have too many of this style of player and would trade Weber and keep Diaz.

      I can’t see bringing in Gragnani as the answer…. even if we move Weber out first, its still a redundancy in the lineup. We have enough puck movers in PK and Markov (good in both ends) and then Kaberle, Diaz and Weber (primarily offensive D). We need more physicality and defensive presence.

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      • boing007 says:

        Gragnani is listed at 6 feet two inches, 205 pounds. His role as a defenseman could be altered with good coaching.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  67. commandant says:

    The top names in RFA who were not qualified around the NHL.

    Go Habs Go!
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    Team By Team Prospect Reports coming soon

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Thanks Ben!!

      • wjc says:

        You’re welcome Ian….oh wait, I’m not Ben. Oh well Ben should have said “you’re welcome Ian…and you could have said something like…My pleasure Ben….and just kept going.


    • JF says:

      What’s the problem with Blake Comeau? Would he be a good fit? I was impressed by Marc-André Gragnani when he started with the Sabres, but I guess we’re more in search of a rugged, stay-at-home defenceman than a puck-mover.

      • commandant says:

        He just fell off the map last year and stopped scoring for reasons I can’t really explain. He might be a third line fit, but I think we need a second liner.

        Go Habs Go!
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        • JF says:

          The thing is we need a left-winger and the price isn’t bad. I don’t think we should take on any more big contracts right now, which means we’ll be basically picking over the scrap-heap. Comeau’s numbers with the Islanders were good. If we rule him out, who does that leave? Latendresse or Kostitsyn? I didn’t like Latendresse’s comments after being traded to the Wild. I would actually take AK46 back for a couple of years (and he’d likely accept a low offer rather than go to the KHL), but I suspect Bergevin and Therrien would not.

          • commandant says:

            Given the shallow UFA pool, I might consider a short term option on a one year deal. Ryan Smyth or Ray Whitney.

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      • Habfan10912 says:

        Agree JF. The teams defense lacked the guy who moved the pile in front of the net. Would think thats priority 1. I’d put a point producing winger on my list also but who wouldn’t.


      • BeeGee says:

        Quite possibly the Flames want to sign him for less than the 2.5M he made last year…

      • boing007 says:

        Gragnani for $600 thousand, or thereabouts.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  68. HabsFanMTL says:

    i’d like to pick up Chris Neil….he isn’t huge yet he goes up against bigger guys all the time and wins most of his fights, he even went with Chara twice and didn’t look that bad…..Keep Staubitz and with White and Moen…..were set to go…….Neil can also score a few and is a much better skater

  69. Ian Cobb says:

    DATE for our 2012 HIO Fan Summit game, will be Oct. 27, 2012.
    When Koivu brings his Ducks to the Bell Center for the 1st time.!!

    I will let you know how many game tickets they will let me have for you. So do not order your tickets from me yet please.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      That is cool Ian, thanks in advance!

    • Malreg says:

      Didn’t Anaheim play in Montreal this past season?

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Great, thanks Ian. Its on my schedule. Look forward to it.


    • Holy sweet Jumpin!

      I’ll be there Thursday 25 Oct. Ian, I want to catch the Flyers game too.

      Great choice!!!!!

      Going to be another great Summit. See you next week for our Summit Summer Conference. Meagan (9) would like to be on the board of directors. She’s great at coloring :)

      I’ve got meetings in Chicago and Buffalo, I’ll let you know when we are near Belleville. Going to spend July 4th in Syracuse, hoping to have lunch or coffee with the Great Mr. Novak. :)

      Man oh man I am excited, time to pack…..

      OK easy Shane the game isn’t until October.

      I’m so excited, and I just can’t hide it. I’m about to lose control and I think I like it!

      They Call Me Shane
      “They never asked to be Canadiens, they were Chosen.”
      Shane Oliver
      Twitter @Sholi2000
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    • showey47 says:

      Great pick Ian. Looking forward to seeing everybody again.

  70. Ted Blurn says:

    Bring back Staubs!!

  71. Ian Cobb says:

    Good Morning Boys and Girls!

    Unbelievable that Pat Burns is not in the Hall of fame yet! Another Toronto influenced Mickey Mouse selection group.

    And to even mention Lindros’s name as a potential inductee is obscene.!

    The Order of Canada Awards last night, Jean Beliveau, Gordie Howe and Wayne Gretsky. NICE!

    For your 2012 HIO Fan Summit, pictures, news and your comments, Click Below.

    • Dust says:

      Even if its a toronto based selection group. Burns coached the maple leafs and is very much loved in toronto by media and fans. That has nothing to do with it and just a pointless shot at toronto

    • steve17 says:

      I agree, Burnsie and Fred Shero should be in by now!!


    • Chris says:

      Given that Pat Burns’ greatest exposure probably came while running the Toronto Maple Leafs, I have a hard time buying that this was another “Toronto influenced Mickey Mouse selection group”.

      To gain entry, a player or coach must be nominated by a minimum of 75% of the 18-member selection committee. Here is the current Hockey Hall of Fame selection committee:


      Jim Gregory (Toronto GM, NHL executive)
      Pat Quinn (Philadelphia/Los Angeles/Vancouver/Toronto coach)

      Former/current executives and coaches:

      Scotty Bowman (St. Louis/Montreal/Pittsburgh/Detroit coach)
      David Branch (OHL/CHL commissioner)
      Brian Burke (NHL executive, Vancouver/Anaheim Toronto GM)
      Colin Campbell (former player, NHL executive)
      Bill Torrey (New York Islanders/Florida GM)
      Serge Savard (former player for Montreal, Winnipeg/Montreal GM)
      John Davidson (former player for St. Louis/NY Rangers, broadcaster for US national networks, currently executive with St. Louis)

      Former players:

      Mike Gartner (pretty much every team!)
      Anders Hedberg (International, NY Rangers/Winnipeg)
      Peter Stastny (Quebec/New Jersey, International)
      Lanny McDonald (Toronto/Calgary)
      Igor Larionov (International, Vancouver/San Jose/Detroit)


      Mike Emrick (United States national telecasts, Philadelphia/New Jersey play-by-play)
      Eric Duhatschek (Globe and Mail hockey columnist, based out of Calgary)
      Michael Farber (Sports Illustrated, based out of Montreal)
      Marc de Foy (Le Journal de Montreal, based out of Montreal)

      For Burns to not have made it in means that 5 or more members of this committee don’t see him as a Hall of Famer. I don’t see too many names on that list that I do not respect to make decisions based on the individual’s place in history.

    • wjc says:

      Awe, Ian just when I start to like you, you start acting all paranoid.


  72. steve17 says:

    I hope they resign Staubitz. If Staubitz can play right wing, I would like to see him on the 4th line with White and Moen. Then Bourque can play left wing on the 3rd line and the Habs can try to get a better 2nd line left wing. Quailer may just be ready to fill the 3rd line right wing and with Cole and Gionta as role models and his size, that would be fun to see with Eller and Bourque.


    • commandant says:

      Moen – White – Staubitz would be a horrific line at actually playing hockey.

      Go Habs Go!
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      • steve17 says:

        At playing hockey or being offensive threats. Moen can score and is tough to play against. Staubitz will punish people and brings energy to the whole team and White never quits. I am not sold on White after last season, but will give him the benfit of the doubt due to his injury. To say they’d be an horrific line at playing hockey is out to lunch. The 4th line has a role and these guys would fit it. Unless they are going to sign someone like Prust, this is not bad, They can all skate and are defensively responsible. They have grit and Moen can score.


        • commandant says:

          White and Staubitz are both ok when they are the third best player on their line and insulated, when you have both together… you are in trouble.

          Moen will also not score goals with those two beside him, he needs offensive help to score goals. He can’t do it himself.

          White is too slow, and does not have the vision to be an NHL centre. AHL sure, NHL no.

          Yes Staubitz stands up for teammates, but he’s really just not a very good hockey player. Keep him as the 13th forward and put him in the lineup and take White out when you want a heavyweight? Fine. But you can’t play them both on the same line.

          Get a centre to put between Moen and White, and who can actually play hockey, or else you are gonna have to limit that line to under 5 minutes a night.

          Go Habs Go!
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    • 24 Cups says:

      S17 – Many posters mention this unit as a line. The only problem is that none of them can play centre in the NHL. Just like last summer, the Habs NEED to sign a decent 4th line pivot. I mentioned Jay McClement back in April.

      I can live with White on RW but Moen may cost more than we think as he is an UFA.

      Staubitz is at best our 14th forward. The Habs picked him up off of waivers and than baisically is what he is – a borderline player.

      As for White, for everything there is to like, there is also something to dislike. His skating style and lack of hockey sense limit what he can bring, as well as the number of minutes he can play.

  73. mark24 says:

    Moen has gotta be first on his list of all the UFA’s doesn’t he. Does a bit of everything and is a team first type of player.

    • steve17 says:

      If Moen will sign for about the same as last season, I think he would be great on the 4th line. I like Darche, but I think he would be better as a player/mentor in Hamilton at this point.


  74. HardHabits says:

    Too bad you don’t take your own advice.

  75. Marcusman says:

    Negative again Hard Habit…didn’t your mama teach you that if you can’t say something nice then don’t say anything at all? Are you not worried about your “On-line rep”?

  76. TomNickle says:

    Until further notice I’ll be his online rep thank you very much.

  77. HardHabits says:

    Aw geez. Cry me a river.

    It had more to do with his tag line and handle. Both are kind of obnoxious… maybe even more like like just plain old noxious.

    Buddy here lambastes people who mentioned possibly signing Latendresse or Pouliot then goes on to say that the Habs should make a splash and acquire Bobby Ryan. That much I can live with. Everyone has a right to their opinion and to express it.

    My issue is with how the whole rant is encapsulated. And yes. I think he should take his own advice since his own ass is backing out his mouth in this instance.

  78. Marcusman says:

    I was referring to his “On-line reputation” but if you feel as his “rep” you can do something about his negativity then by all means….

    and just so it’s said we should sign Benny back, he’s young, super talented and gives 110% on each shift. I’m sure his father passing a few years back has a lot to do with hi slack of maturity. I’m convince in the right environment he’d score 35 goals in a season.

    and I’ll add this, we all feel the last couple of years the team was run by a bunch of yahoos, I think Benny simply didn’t respond to them and could care less for the way they ran the show…

  79. TomNickle says:

    I know what you meant.

  80. HardHabits says:

    Haha. Love the double-entendre. I have full confidence in both my on-line reps.

  81. wjc says:

    Word of the day…”encapsulated” to summarize or condense.
    or “to place in a capsule”

    Keep em coming, I for one are/is impressed.

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