Monday mourning

At least there was emotion in the Gary Carter tribute.
The Canadiens played a flat first period and didn’t get going until the third – by which point New Jersey had a 3-1 lead.
Against Martin Brodeur, that’s insurmountable.
The loss left the Canadiens mired in 13th place … and running out of games.

Pat Hickey’s game recap

Quotes from the room

Red Fisher’s take

Allen McInnis’s photos

Carter was special to Brodeur

Dave Stubbs talks to Hal Gill

Jack Todd on Pierre Gauthier

Pierre Ladouceur’s game report card

Jets catch Leafs

If the playoffs started today


  1. jonnyp says:

    I was downtown today n ran into stevie y !!! Something is going down !!!

  2. The Jackal says:

    Jack Todd is a blogger that somehow writes for a newspaper… Or at least that’s what he souds like – no style at all

  3. Nobody says:

    Really if I was Habs’ GM I wouldn’t let Jack Todd have access to my goalie coach, since you know he’s just going to print a hatchet job anyway. Why give him access to facts to fill in the gaps between his unsubstantiated insinuations? Just sayin…

  4. Hamayoune says:

    Would like to start off by wishing all Ontarians a happy family day!

    On a relevant note, I want to point out that our team has good potential for future years. We have a good group of youngsters including Subban, Pacio, Desharnais, Eller, Diaz, Emelin and boy Ryan White is killing it right now! We also have a good group of veterans starting with Cole, Gorges, Gio and we’ll hopefully be seeing Markov soon (he’s accompanying the team on the road trip).

    This team needs a few tweaking and we should be alright.

    Plekanec should be traded if his value is high. He’s a good player but it’s time we start semireconstructing while building a contender and I don’t see Plecky fitting in the team’s future plans. We should follow a model similar to the flyers and Bruins; trading key players while their values are high and continuously building for the future ( I.e. Kessel for two first round picks and 2nd round pick)

    Also, we have good prospects that will be making the big jump in a few years: Beaulieu, Tinordi, Kristo, Gallagher and hopefully Geoffrion can turn into a solid 3rd liner.

    With this team it’s only a matter of time and a few key trades.

    Concerning Gauthier, I think he’s doing a decent job. Signing Cole is now considered one of the best UFA signings in ages, the Bourque trade for an uninterested Cammy was fair, Hal Gill for a 2nd round pick and two prospects was a sure win, signing Markov was a must (People will only admit it once he comes back and makes an impact). One of the reasons why he is so unpopular is because he doesn’t talk too much to the media and that kills them who in turn negatively criticize him. Also firing Jacques Martin was a relief; Cunny has implemented a much more interesting style of game.

    Looking at the bright side, out team has a good future.

    Cheer them for every win and control the negative criticism when they lose!

    Have a good rest of the day HIO nation!

  5. piter says:

    Wow, I can’t read the game re-cap because I’m at the limit at Who charges for the internet? Now I have to find another Habs blog to hang out on. Sigh. That ticks me off actually. Why bother putting up a link? Here, read the game recap, oh, hold on, first subscribe, then finish reading the story. Never had that before, never will either. I’m off to find another blog site.

  6. rhino514 says:

    I don´t think it´s fair when posters around hre say Darche is not a NHL player. He certainly is. Granted he is not a top six, but definitely stronger than a 4th liner. When he is placed on the third line to fill in for injuries, and even once in a while on the second line, you notice him. He´s a guy that´s usueful to have as a fill-in, because with his size and heart he can create things.
    Compare him to Palushaj or Engquist. If you put them on the second or third line, have they ever once done anything noticeable? If Darche had played even half odf the season abobe the 4th line, he´d have over ten goals.
    I´m not saying I want a team of darches, but he is useful to have as a fill-in on the team and for sure a better than average 4th liner.
    throw the guy a bone; at his age and with his below average skating, he´s probably got maybe one more year to contribute; so let him contribute.

  7. joeybarrie says:

    Awww. My buddy Jack Todd is upset because the Montreal Canadiens are not talking to reporters. I’m not sure WHERE Todd has been in the last 30 years, but I know Montreal. Eat, drink, breath and CONSTANTLY SCRUTINIZE hockey.
    Look at pressure the media puts on players, Jose Theodore, Latendresse, Price, Randy Cunneyworth. What’s that you say? Get a French speaking coach, yet at the same time you want to be able to have full access to the current coach you are saying that you don’t even want here????
    If this team is winning, does anyone care (other than the media) that the coach doesn’t speak French. For God’s sake, hire someone who only speaks Swahili or rural Gaelic for all I care, if they are a great coach and they help us win. No one seems to care that no one has ever tried to hire a woman coach. So why only French? Do we not have females in Quebec? So that doesn’t matter, I guess.
    Its YOUR FAULT JACK TODD that PG wants things quiet. Maybe if you didn’t go out of your way to constantly call him a zero he might be more willing to talk to you.
    Loom at Manchester United. The most successful sports team in the last 20 years. The coach SIR Alex Ferguson is even more tight lipped and even shunned the BBC for years because of a report that involved someone from him club that happened to be his son. Manchester United sells players once they speak out against the team. Roy Keane, Jaap Stam, for gods sake he sold Diego Forlan cause he laced up the wrong boots in SAF’s opinion. NO ONE HAS A PROBLEM WITH Ferguson. He is smart.
    Let me ask you this then TODD. If PG is tightlipped, how do you presume to know exactly whom he did and didn’t call about Halak and Cammalleri??? Oh I’m sorry, it was tough to break the story cause they don’t want the Media to run wild on the players and create more unneeded pressure.
    Maybe if you didn’t constantly insult the guy for living in Vermont he might be a bit more open to giving info. We had no problem with John Leclaire living in Vermont…. Oh but god no, not our French speaking GM.
    You bring it on yourself. The fans booing our own players bring it on.
    Then you have the nerve to say BURKE is doing a better job and is a better GM because of his huge blowhard mouth and strong desire to be in the spotlight.
    Look at the way people insult the players when they are not producing. Then think about why the spread of mis-information is much more harmful than the lack of smiley faces he gives the media.
    Go work on the way you write your stories then come back and see if you get more support.

    • theflower says:

      sorry to disappoint you joey from barrie, but I would have to say Jack Todd knows a hell of a lot more about the Habs organisation than you or I. Listen, you can tear a strip out of him if you like, but the truth is the truth, The Goat is a controlling, below average GM who has done his best to run this team into the ground, oh yes he has had some help from BG, but together they have taken Gainey’s 5 year plan and put it back 5 years further. I don’t want our GM to be Brian Burke, but at the same time access is important on some levels. You can’t compare the EPL & ManUtd to the NHL, because the NHL wants teams and players to be available to grow the game, it is part of the Gary Bettman agenda. Not that I agree with it, but it is what he and the owners want. Look let’s face it great organisations have always been run by great people who allow the people below them to flourish, not to micro-manage and control, those kinds of people always end up on the bottom unless they are the owner, then they can be whatever they want. Goat’s days are numbered, we have been for my entire life a classy organisation and that my friend is in tatters. It’s time to get rid of this controlling prick and hire someone who understands and keeps true the vision Hartland Molson et al had for this team. These days of bush league Management have to end now!!!

  8. RD says:

    You do realize that the guys that run this blog are paid by the Gazette?
    It’s in their interest to get people to subscribe to the Gazette so they can keep collecting a salary.

  9. Roy93 says:

    Last nights loss and the Hurricane game was the dagger for me. Crap teams always find a way to lose and this team is crap. We’ve gone back to the late 90’s and last nights game was the last for me folks. Not watching these guys anymore, they have wasted enough of my time. Only thing I’ll be tuning in for is the trade deadline and the goat hanging ceremonies.
    Enjoy the spring/summer everyone and see you in September.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Roy93, take a break, I don’t blame you.

      But your voice will be missed and we need you.

    • viper says:

      hey roy93 if you are a true habs fan you watch and support the team 100% no matter what doesn,t mean you have to like the way they are playin and you don,t think changes need to be made because i think we all feel that way but i for one will still be watching and still be cheering even though i,am one of the few who thinks we should tank for a top draft pick but will always watch and cheer


  10. The Dude says:

    Too all those Hab fans still praising Gauthier and the Veterans on the Habs ,do me a favor …SHUT UP! THE TEAM SUCKS! Give the Goat the f’n boot now,NOW! And TURF THE PRIMA DONNA’S ASAP! Gomer,4 million a goal,OMG!This season was over before it started….

  11. Psycho29 says:

    C’mon, you really expect to read Pulitzer Prize winning journalism like Jack Todd for free all the time????


  12. DearyLeary says:

    A high pick, some sellable assets, players that won’t be around freeing up cap space, and a good core point to a turnaround that can give us a competitive team in 2 years time (my guess).

    A core consisting of a few key veterans: Cole, Plekanec, Gorges, Gionta and Markov. With the vets bolstered by youth: Price, PK, Emelin, Patches, Leblanc, White, and Eller. With some good players in the pipeline that could bolster the youth core: Tinordi, Beaulieu, Gallagher. Add a high draft pick with some elite offensive talent: Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, or Forsberg.

    With movable assets like Gill (a 2nd and Geoffrion, who still has to grow into his professional role, give him another year to assess talent), Kostitsyn (mid to late 1st rounder, or a package including a 2nd round + prospect), and Moen (possibly another 2nd rounder with the amount of ‘buyers’ this season). Kaberle will be tough to move, but it’s possible a bubble team might roll the dice considering the points he’s put up in Montreal.

    Gomez is gone with a CBA buyout amnesty period. Freeing up a tonne of cap space that allows Montreal to play the free agent market to acquire another veteran that will help bolster the youth that the team is cultivating.

    Two to three years and we’re looking at a very competitive team. Take heart, fellow fans, it’s not as bleak as it looks. A franchise goalie in Price is something that players can weigh as a desirable place to build a career (I see New York as an example).

    That’s my opinion, and an optimistic one at that, but it’ll be less painful as long as we don’t continue the ‘drive for 9th’ that we’ve been laughing at Toronto for making the last few years.

    • RD says:

      Andrei Kostitsyn has 12 goals, sometimes gets benched and has never really reached his potention, AND he’s a ufa.
      He will never, ever ever ever, get a 1st round pick in return.

      Moen might be worth a 2nd or 3rd rounder if Montreal ever discloses what his injury is. If it’s concussion symptoms, he has zero value to anyone.

    • viper says:

      leary i agree with everything you said except the white thing i have no idea why everyone thinks he is a good piece to our future imo he is a fill in for a 4th liner that gets hurt and thats about it


  13. rwp1990 says:

    the endless PG and RC bashing accomplishes what exactly?…anyone who really follows the Habs understands that PG inherited a huge mess – it is not going to get fixed overnight – regardless of who the GM is so deal with it…and as for RC – bringing in an outsider to take over a very messed up room would have been much worse than allowing a guy that already has a relationship with most of the young players and is well respected to step up – it was the smart way to go – like it or not..
    why not enjoy the games and watch the youth develop instead of poisoning the fun every single day? there are a lot of positives and a ton of blue chip prospects on the way – patience – Les Glorieux will return sooner than you may think.
    c’est le but!
    Bob in Ottawa

    • nunacanadien says:

      The thing is PG made choices which have basically left the habs as a disjointed, uneven, rag taggled bunch of hockey players who can’t even call themselves a team anymore.

      • rwp1990 says:

        that again is a lobsided negative view – sorry
        he was able to unload 2 guys that were on the hard/impossible to move list – Gill and Cammy for more than anyone expected.
        He relied on medical experts for the Markov decision – same way any other GM would have ..I could go on – but instead I will simply suggest that people try to see both sides -there are positives as well – seems to me that a lot of people have opinions that are largely influenced by the media who engage in Habs bashing as a routine storyline – a staple of their diet if you will when often there is little substance
        try to see it as half full instead – support the team

        c’est le but!
        Bob in Ottawa

        • powdered toastmann says:

          Lobsided, but true. PG’s prints are all over this team…When Gainey was GM and post Gainey GM era. The team is what it is…a last or close to last place team. Not a ringing endorsement for a GM’s performance.

          • nunacanadien says:

            Could we say that the Bob Gainey rebuild was a bust then? Can we just wipe the whole slate clean, and start all over again the right way?

      • yea! i mean, pfff….getting eller for halak? signing Cole? what a bust! offloading a whiny self centered 5.5m cammy? totally ruinning this team!….get off you high horse. i agree with rwp1990. enjoy the progress the young guys are making. now’s a good time to give these kids some playing time to gear up for next season 🙂


    • HabFan in Edmonton says:

      RD, I agree with a lot of what you said, Kostitsyn is frustrating as hell given that he has so much talent. But I think a team like LA would gladly give a 1st rounder for AK given that they are desperate to make the playoffs and desperate for goal scoring. I just don’t know what the Habs should do with him. He just might light it up somewhere else if they trade him but they do they resign him ? I guess it depends on how much he wants, someone else would probably throw 4 million a year at him. It’s almost a no win situation.

      • RD says:

        Well, examples in the past of players moved for 1st round picks.
        -Jeff Carter,
        -Phil Kessel
        -Dustin Penner (late 1st round)
        -Mike Fisher
        -Kris Versteeg

        Andrei Kostitsyn who would only be on contract till the end of the year would not be worth that at all.

        • HabFan in Edmonton says:

          It depends how desperate a team is, certainly it would be a late 1st round pick, I would take Kostitsyn over lazy Penner any day, also has much more upside than Versteeg who was a big bust in Toronto, Kessel is a bad comparison as Boston got 2 high 1st round picks and a second (as if the 2 # 1 picks weren’t enough). It’s easy to discount Kostitsyn because we are Montreal fans who are frustrated with him but he does have great talent. Other GM’s will be tempted based on talent alone, now if he would only bring it every night than I wouldn’t want to trade him.

  14. Mike D says:

    Yowsers! One loss and the firing squad has their targets acquired with guns locked and loaded.

    Fire so-and-so! This is all that guy’s fault! Trade that bum…and that one, and that other useless bum! *spit* I can’t believe we traded such-and-such, and that other star, and that other guy who we could soooooo use right now! *spit more angrily* Why is he getting ice time instead of him! Why don’t we try this line instead of this one?!?! F*%K! *head explosion*

    Take it easy everyone. I’m pissed too but don’t let it ruin your day.

    – Honestly yours

    • shiram says:

      Sports fan are emotionnaly involved with their favorite team, they see the team lose and they wanna go into action and fix things, make them better.
      Too bad that emotion and intent is wasted on angry postings on a blog.

  15. habs001 says:

    If markov can play next year that would be huge…unless there is a major negative medical set back for markov the team will gamble that markov is ready to play in 2012-2013…for this reason they will not be able to sign an impact d as there would be no salary room and this type of d would only be available in the summer…if we find out in the fall that markov cannot play than even with his salary off the cap there would only be patchwork type d available..

  16. habs001 says:

    The line up we had on the ice yesterday is no better than 15th in the league in a full season and for that to happen we basically need everything to go well…Next year the biggest influence on our line up will be what happens with gomez and markov…if they dont want gomez on the team the odds are for this to happen they will have to write off his contract and are they willing to do this?…

  17. SteverenO says:

    Well Said: Darche is a very good defensive player, this years version of tom pyatt, perhaps. But unless the game is tied, the habs are leading, or we are killing a penalty he should rarely step on the ice.

    why? the team scores an average of one goal for every 37 minutes that darche is on the ice (even strength).

    How bad is that? The team a goal for every 28 minutes of Scott Gomez ice time even strength.

    Andre K and Lars Eller both average one goal per 23 minutes of ice time. Cole & Desharnais average 18 minutes of even strength time on ice per goal scored.

    Its no wonder we scored only one goal last night with Darche and Gomez getting so much ice time.

    Not sure if RC is tanking on purpose or following instructions from his boss, or just plain incompetent, but this kind of coaching will not make for a long career behind the bench.

    Is there something in their contract that prevents Eller, White, or Emelin from playing on the PP?

    Seems to me 5 on 5 we got our best scoring chances when White was on the ice, how could it possibly hurt to give him a shift with the extra man?

    As evidenced above The team scores at a faster pace (even strength) when Eller is on the ice compared to Gomez, yet despite missing many games due to injury Gomez has played 72 minutes on the power play and Eller has only 21 minutes on the ice with the man advantage.

    At even strength Eller has logged 730 minutes versus 360 minutes for Gomez.

    Playing with 7 Defencemen is a recipe for losing. we have had success with Weber playing up front on the 4th line, But our new formula is to play 3 lines and have two forwards languish on the bench, while we have our Defencemen constantly playing with different partners.

    Makes no sense to me,.


    Steve O.

    • Mad Habber says:

      Is there something in their contract that prevents Eller, White, or Emelin from playing on the PP?

      It’s called the gomez, craperle and crapoli clause. Which states if the habs are going to suck they have to suck with the overpaid veterans.

  18. HabsFansince49 says:

    Right on the mark Red Fisher! The Ghost has turned the Montreal Canadiens into an organization with no class! PG has to go if there is to be any hope.

  19. petefleet says:

    When is the burning of the Bell Centre? I want to watch it on the news. Some of you people are beyond ridiculous.


    “It just goes to show how difficult predictions are, especially ones made about the future.”

    ***Habs Forever***

  20. smiler2729 says:

    Thanks for everything Hal, I mean EVERYTHING:

    “RW Rich Peverley will miss 4-to-6 weeks with a torn MCL in his right knee, the injury suffered on a knee-on-knee hit by Hal Gill in Montreal ”

    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

  21. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …I’ve been up all night helping My daughter meet a High School English Literature deadline this Monday morning …out here in the Weed Capital of the World (and, I’m not talkin’ dandelions here 🙂 ) in Beautiful British Columbia, I don’t often wake-up in time to join My fraternal commentariat bozos this early in the morning, yet wearily, groggily and irritably, I will put My five cents in on Holik’s blog article on the reason for the Red Wing’s success
    …We here spend so much of Our time ridiculing, defaming and deboweling Our Players, coaches and gms
    …but Bobby Holik sums up My feelings, the philosophy of ‘winning’ has to start from the ownership of a team and work it’s way down
    …it’s ownership that has to put in place the ‘wisemen’, whom will in-turn hire further ‘wisemen’ to make ‘wise’ decisions to make a ‘winning culture’, and resulting ‘success’ sufficient enough to keep ‘vultures’ like Us off Their backs
    …Geoff Molson is still green behind the ears as far as ‘ownership’ is concerned, whatever considerable accomplishments His forefathers oversaw in the Montreal Canadiens glory years
    …but, Geoff Molson better soon prove He is more than a silver-spoon hockey dillitante with an empty-MBA, …or the vultures will turn on Him too very soon

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

    • habsfan0 says:

      In Detroit, winning is paramount,everything else is secondary.

      In Montreal, having a French speaking GM and coach is at the top of the list. Winning is secondary.

      That,in a nutshell, about wraps it up.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Good morning, welcome to the Group Circle as we mourn our season.

    • All owners are a different breed, and very few of them are cut from the same cloth, so saying it starts with a “winning” attitude makes no sense. In some cases owners are succesful entrepreneurs who succeeded at all cost and without regard to morals and ethics, in other cases they’re long standing families who have owned the team for generations, and in other cases they are faceless and anonymous corporations.
      But how to create a “winning” organization is the same regardless of the background of the owners, or the route that got them there in the first place.
      Winning teams, like industry leaders, all have one thing in common; a plan. A blueprint. A road map. In industry it’s a business plan, in sports it’s not much different, but we’re witnessing a team that has none of that. They use the “take the best player available” motto to every draft, and look where that’s got us? There is no identity to this team, little obvious pride in the players as if they could be changed from top to bottom and nobody would notice.
      Oh, and one other thing EVERY successful entreprise has : Leadership!
      I see none of that, from top to bottom, from management to players, and without that, we’re going nowhere and will continue to go nowhere.

  22. adamkennelly says:

    do we think that Pleks is deadline tradable with that contract? its not terrible but I think we’d have to take something fairly expensive and underperforming back in return.

    I would be fine seeing him go…toss in AK, Kaberle, Campoli and get rid of Gomez in the offseason and this team would be much better positioned to start making progress towards being a better team.

    if Darche is playing 20 mins a game – its cause you don’t have enough good players on your team to take up that ice time – and that’s why you lose…

    anyone who watched that Van vs. T.O. game should now know what a good team looks like – and the Habs are not one.

    • smiler2729 says:

      Pleks trade, I’m with you that one. Probably the only expendable Hab that could actually fetch something back.

      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

  23. boonie says:

    Since the beginning of the 2009-10 season through now, we are 107-89-28 for 242 points in 224 games, good for .540 points per game, leaving us 20th in a 30 team league over that period. The average team had 250 points and .560 points/game.

    Behind us, Edmonton (30th), Columbus, the Isles, Florida, Toronto, Anaheim, Colorado, Carolina, Minnesota and Ottawa (21st).

    We were 19th in 2009/10; 15th last year; and currently we’re 24th.

    Incredibly, this is the best record of Gauthier GM career. And Todd is worried about his secrecy?

  24. fun police says:

    If Darche is leading all forwards in ice time after two periods, you are in trouble. Everyone knows that darche works hard, he has to. a guy like darche has to look like he is hustling every time he is on the ice otherwise what is he doing in the nhl. however, you can’t fall in love with him as a coach. look at the other top fourth line players around the league, they do the same. the difference is that they are rarely given 20 plus minutes a game. RC has caught some lighting in a bottle with darche over the last few weeks, but RC shouldn’t mistake that for anything other than a player playing way above his pay grade.
    also, our PP has been better but is still lacking the one thing that has made it the best for the last few years. Everyone throws out souray, MB, Streit as something we are missing. I suggest that the constant that is missing is a Kovalev type player. he controlled the pp from the half boards for many years giving the habs a consistent dominating presence.

  25. alfieturcotte says:


    Dismal moves —

    1. Markov at a cost of $14MM (Markov + Campoli+ Kaberle);
    2. We are stuck with Kaberle;
    3. Rene Bourque (the most uninvolved weak 6″2 “power forward” I’ve ever seen);
    4. Moore
    5. SK74 Preds top forward and who did we receive in exchange???
    6. Pouliot — Lost him for $1MM
    7. Lapierre – Let’s ask the top team in the NHL how valuable he is to their team
    8. Trades away draft picks for ???
    9. O’Byrne
    10. The list is surely longer

    As for his selection of coaches — when he fired JM, he should have done away with RC as well. A fresh pair of eyes would have een more helpful. RC is a younger but just as stale version of JM.

    • powdered toastmann says:

      The ratings are in:

      Reposted…Would be an opportunity for him to raise his performance ratings…(of all us armchair idiots based on these results)

      Results of recent SportsNet popularity contest (I guess)…anyway here are the results concerning the 7 Canadian team GMs…

      Based on past Trade Deadline performance, to which GM would you award the highest grade?

      Jay Feaster, Calgary Flames Steve Tambellini, Edmonton Oilers Pierre Gauthier, Montreal Canadiens Bryan Murray, Ottawa Senators Mike Gillis, Vancouver Canucks Brian Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs

      Mike Gillis, Vancouver Canucks 47%
      Brian Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs 32%
      Bryan Murray, Ottawa Senators 10%
      Steve Tambellini, Edmonton Oilers 6%
      Jay Feaster, Calgary Flames 4%
      Pierre Gauthier, Montreal Canadiens 1%

      for what it’s worth, not exactly a ringing endorsement for PG’s performance to date…but to be fair does not take into consideration recent moves.

    • TomNickle says:

      1. Markov gave us a discount on his prior contract. Not saying it was a good deal this time around but that counts for something.

      2. We aren’t stuck with Kaberle

      3. Rene Bourque has been no more inconsistent than Cammalleri.

      4. Moore was let go and Halpern was brought in at half of the price.

      5. Sergei Kostitsyn was more poisonous than Cammalleri.

      6. Pouliot being let go was a bad move – agree.

      7. Ditto on Lapierre

      8. Wisniewski, Moore. And they provided great return.

      9. O’Byrne would have a hard time cracking our dismal blueline now.

      • alfieturcotte says:

        Markov’s contract was too high and too long for a guy who has played 7 games in 3 years coming off multiple knee surgeries at his age.

        Both Boston and Carolina GM’s have gone on record saying how bad Kaberle was. Most knew at the time of the trade that PG made a mistake. Put it this way, if Kaberle can be traded, it will be to an AHL team.

        Moore just got traded for a 2nd round; was a n#2 center in Tampa; played big and key minutes; all for $1.5MM. How can you compare him to Halpern — a world of difference.

        SK74 numbers speak volumes.

        O’Byrne plays about 20-22 minutes a game. Tough time breaking into our D? Cus Campoli, Kaberle, Weber are that good? Picture a defensive pairing of O’Byrne and Emelin.

        Lastly, I forgot to include Pleks and his weighty contract. Pleks is a solid 2nd line center (a la Moore); and a very good 3rd line center. He is no #1 center, has never been. Time to trade him now before to get max value. I have no doubt that Desharnais and Eller are suitable replacements; and much cheaper.

        • TomNickle says:

          Boston tried to re-sign Kaberle. Jim Rutherford spoke out against Kaberle. He had just won a Cup.

          Markov has played just a tad more than 7 games in three years. Check your facts champ.

          You compare Moore to Halpern because they were brought here to play the same role. Moore was only a #2 centreman in TB when Stamkos moved to the wing. So sorry to burst your bubble, but Moore is nowhere close to a #2 centreman.

          Sergei Kostitsyn’s numbers speak volumes about what? His skill? Nobody has ever disputed his talent. He was cancer in the Habs dressing room, and that’s why he was traded. Hard to get a good return for a player like that.

          I don’t disagree about Plekanec. Eller and Desharnais probably can’t be as good defensively as Plekanec but he isn’t worth what he’s getting paid. And that puts him into a group of around 66% of NHL players.

          • alfieturcotte says:

            Boston tried to sign him — the talk in Boston was no different than in Carolina. He was a bust in Beantown and contributed little to nothing to their Cup.

            Moore was a 2nd center in Tampa — where is halpern. Anyway, the point is he has been traded for a 2nd round draft pick. All at a sum of $1.5MM. Surely you can see the value of his salary/return?

            SK74 has 2 MORE goals than Pleks and likely makes less than half his salary. We got nothing back for him.

            Hard to justify these PG moves buddy. Take your blinders off and take a look at their stats plus the minutes they play and when they play (final minutes — most valuable players on team). Meanwhile, following these moves we sit near the cellar. Yeah, he is a good GM!

      • habsfan0 says:

        In retrospect,letting O’Byrne go was a bad move, but that own net goal and the incident at a bar meant his time in Montreal was limited.

      • boonie says:

        Sorry, Tom, we seem to be on opposite sides today, but I promise it’s nothing personal. I appreciate people like you who come to share logic-based comments.

        1. As discussed below, the Patriots would have let Markov walk rather than sign him at any discount.

        2. We’re not stuck with Kabs. But, if you could, would you move him at the deadline; and, if you did what do you think we could get for him. As an aside, what do you think the Canes will get for Spacek?

        3. Bourque and Cammy are both inconsistent, why did we want either of them? We did we add a 30-year old with multiple years on his contract if he’s inconsistent?

        4. Totally agree.

        5. I think the concept of poison/cancerous is an easy excuse used to justify losing talent (using them in roles that don’t suit their skills, per Holik) or getting less than market returns. If you Google Cammi, the only comment about his selfishness prior to his tradable offense were comments that he was NOT selfish when he arrived. SK doesn’t appear to be a cancer in Nashville, maybe it’s a change of scenery, maturity, better coaching, or something else… but we got nothing for him and he’s one of their top 6 players. That’s not good GM-ing.

        6. Pouliot didn’t fit this organization’s expectations as a top 6 forward and was passed in that regard by Patches. For whatever reason, our staff didn’t see him contributing bottom 6 traits worth a million bucks when we have a revolving door down there. We had similar issues with Laps, SK, and Guy… having talented players in lower level roles is the mark of a thoughtful organization (IMO). Like Holmstrom in Detroit. Or Carbo, Gainey and others during their tenures here.

        7. yepper

        8. PG buys assets at lower cost than most of his peers. Wiz would have cost more than a second nearer the deadline. Moore seems to go for a second just about every year. They are rentals. The only question is, should a team this mediocre be in the rental business or just keep the picks for (hopefully) long term gains.

        9. OB would have tough time. McDonagh would be useful, but that’s another story.

        • skoalbandit says:

          SK was going to play iin the khl if he had stayed in this organization. Nashville had actually taken a risk, taking him on for dustin boyd.

          At that time there was no guarentee he would report to nashville, as his agent was in negotiations with khl teams.

          • boonie says:

            Do you think it had something to do with SK feeling wasted and underdeveloped? Like Pacthes and many others who moved through our organization when PG was director of player development?

    • petefleet says:

      I guess some of that depends on your perspective. I personally don’t agree with alot of your list.


      “It just goes to show how difficult predictions are, especially ones made about the future.”

      ***Habs Forever***

    • boing007 says:

      6. Pouliot — Lost him for $1MM
      Don’t worry, he only has nine goals on a cup winning team and still plays like a cream puff on skates.

      Richard R

    • smiler2729 says:

      1. Yep but who really knew how bad his knee is?
      2. Rather have Spacek than Pee Wee Herman.
      3. Yep, you sound like Kelly Hrudey.
      4. Yep, Moore should still be here, perfect 3rd line center.
      5. L’enfant terrible was dealt for Dustin Boyd and Dan Ellis, Ellis bolted a day or so later (pun intended) and Boyd was never really given a chance by JM.
      6. Poo is poo, the fact that he’s a Bruin is the annoying part.
      7. Even Don freakin’ Cherry was singing Lappy’s praises Saturday night, thank JM for wanting him out of here.
      8. All draft picks are basically question marks.
      9. Again, OB was dealt cuz JM didn’t have faith in him, not a big loss though.
      10. The list is very long and not so much for his moves but rather his methods, Goats doesn’t show any class that the Habs are known for…

      As for the coach, I like Cunney, I hope he stays.

      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

  26. 123456 says:

    So i went to the bulldogs game last night. They were down 2-0 after the frist being outshot 20-7. The remaining two periods they outshot the Amerks 41-10 and outscored them 7-1. Very odd game.

    • powdered toastmann says:

      In the Amerk’s own barn ta boot.

      • 123456 says:

        yea – i was hoping to see a future habs star. . . . but no one really stood out… but then again i didnt think max pach or DD stood out either… geoffrion did show some speed and stick skill but certainily didnt dominate at all. if anything the only person who stood out was the amerks luke adam (scored a bunch with sabres earlier this year) but he stood out bc he looked tired on every shift

  27. kerrgte says:

    Jack Todd is right in his statement. The Canadiens GM correctly receives a failing grade.

    The litany of mistakes includes and is not limited to:
    – poor coaching choices;
    – Markov;
    – shipping out Hamrlik, last year’s defensive hero. And Moore, and Halpern;
    – few bright lights on the farm compared to the other teams (see the nhl future website – habs are 24th out of 30 teams!. Even Toronto is higher after years of gross mismanagement there !)
    – and, of course, this season’s dismal performance.

    But loudest cheers for acquiring Erik Cole.

    Nope, this is a management that has made too many short and long term mistakes.

    Now, think about it a moment. Objectively compare and contrast the NJ, Boston, NYR, and the exemplary Detroit franchise. See the difference? Their fortunes are improving, these teams have a plan for and ethic of success, and of winning. This was once the case in Montreal but no longer. This franchise continues to be cobbled together with no strategic plan in place – even though Montreal is close to being the most storied franchise in pro sports.

    I can’t see Geoff Molson accepting mediocrity (to be generous) for much longer. Why would he?

    • habsnyc says:

      Because he is afraid of the financial consequences of messing with a cash cow.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • TomNickle says:

      You not knowing what plan they have doesn’t mean they don’t have one.

      Detroit has set the standard over the last 15 years because of one name. Nicklas Lidstrom.

      The Devils have a questionable future at best and if it weren’t for the Leafs making one of the dumbest trades in recent memory the Bruins would have no answer for what to do when Chara’s done, without another stupid move by the Leafs the Bruins would be left with no replacement for Thomas.

    • I, very reluctantly, agree with your, and other’s, comments about Jack Todd, but I’m not going to tip my hat to someobody who is writing what many already saw and knew for a long time.
      I don’t think one should judge a GM solely on “good” moves and “bad” ones. There are always risks when it comes to evaluating and signing talent. Like many others Gauthier has a list on both sides of the ledger (and we can’t pin Gomez on him, either). What bothers me the most about him and his conduct is the way our team is now being portrayed in the national, and US, hockey media, and by fans in other cities. And I’m sorry to say, but our reputation in the NHL means a lot to me, as it does to others.
      This team is in urgent need of a change, but before anything else, it needs a change in culture and attitude and that starts by losing the arrogance it collectively carries around by dismissing the media, and by extension, the fans. Mr. Molson may OWN the team but by God, it’s OURS, and we want it back. We want a team we can be proud of, win or lose. We want a team with passion and commitment and accountability. We want a team we can like and identify with. Right now this is a team without a soul, and that’s way worse than being in 13th place.

      Make the move Mr. Molson. Make it now.

  28. smiler2729 says:

    Holy Darche bashing here.

    From what I’ve seen from him, he’s a competent hockey player who’s best served being a 4th liner, I’ve also seen him play some of his best games vs. New Jersey.

    Fact is his exemptional work ethic out there gets him top 6 time now and then only to light a fire under the top 6 types that don’t show up, I have no problem with that.

    I can’t believe some can’t get their mind around that, it’s no biggie and I’d be perfectly happy to have Darche on this team (as a 4th liner) for the foreseeable future.

    And as for one of the reasons we lost last night, Tomas Plekanec, again, like I’ve said a million times before, cannot win the important faceoffs when the team needs him to. Case in point, last night’s first goal at the end of the 1st period…. backbreaker.

    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

    • mb says:

      I agree about Darche. Obviously, he doesn’t have as much talent as some guys on this team, but to me he can be a solid 4th liner. I don’t want him gone, he’s actually one of the few who appear to be trying every night.
      Everyone rants about rewarding effort and many complain about some players’ lack of intensity. Yet, they can’t understand that Darche, although with limited talent, is getting big minutes because of his work ethic.

  29. Mattyleg says:

    Morning all,
    As I expected, the mob is sharpening the axes and pikes this morning.
    I see there’s someone lighting torches, another putting the finishing touches on the effigy, just have to figure out whose face to put on it… Plekanec? Gauthier? Randy? Price? Subban?

    Heh heh. For me, a loss provides an opportunity for philosophical consideration; for others, a chance to engage in some arm-flapping and finger-pointing. Each to his own, I suppose.

    I’m sorry to see so many people singling Plekanec out as chief goat from last night, and making bizarre demands. It goes to show how short people’s memories are. Any recollection of him playing on the first line, PP (plus a stint on the point that had him scrambling back to play D every time someone bounced a puck past him at the blue line), and PK, blocking shots? No? Nobody remember how after the few times that he fell badly into the boards we all had our hearts in our mouths because we knew that if he got injured we were completely freakin’ finished because he was the only decent player out there (with Erik Cole only beginning his emergence)? No? Nobody remember that?

    Nah, didn’t think so. You don’t want to remember the good times when you’re busy shoving someone in front of the bus. He was asked to do waaaay too much by JM, and now he’s burnt out. Unsurprising, but don’t let that get in the way of a little persecution. Use ’em up and spit ’em out, eh boys? Good on yez.

    RC is a terrible coach? Posters with witty taglines like “FIRE JM NOW!!!” said things like “I don’t care if we lose every game, as long as we play exciting hockey, not this horseflop that JM has us playing.” Well, we’re playing more exciting hockey. More physical hockey. But that’s not good enough now. Now there are a million other reasons to be unhappy with the coach. Fire him! Get someone who knows how to handle players properly like Patrick Roy!

    I dunno.

    Oh, and it’s spelt ‘Nigh’, guy painting the big placard. Not “The End Is Nye”

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  30. slamtherimtim says:

    although Darche and Gomer have been trying really hard , they cant help the fact that there is no talent inside them , they are the reason this team just cant win , we are a one line team

  31. FlyingFrenchie says:

    Ladies and Gentlemen…
    A miracle has happened.
    I actually agree with
    Jack (the Toddler’s) story on P.G
    in the Gazelle.
    To no avail though…
    It’s unlikely Molson can read.

  32. Norm0770 says:

    Mr. Boone,

    I just read Jack Todd’s article and a question I posed on here a few months ago came back to mind. Would the media and public in Montreal accept a unilingual anglo GM that actually addresses the media verses the secrecy of the current tight lipped regime?

    I understand the need and desire to have a bilingual coach as he addesses the media after each game and practice, and is the public face of the franchise and represents the direction of the club, but the GM role seem a little different to me. I’m just curious about your feelings on this.


    • smiler2729 says:

      I don’t think any of it really matters now as long as they attempt to learn french…

      Did anybody bitch when Dick Williams, Marv Levy or even Felipe Alou were hired by the ‘Spos ‘n the Als?

      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

      • mb says:

        I think you’re spot on. Of course people would prefer an already bilingual staff, but honestly, these people would accept an unilingual GM who’s attempting to learn.

        And in any case, I can just see so many people wanting PG fired, so at this point I’m pretty sure they don’t even care about who’s replacing him.

      • boing007 says:

        Add Buck Rogers and Jim Fanning to that list. Dave Van Horne, Ken Singleton, Duke Snider, etc.

        Richard R

  33. HabinBurlington says:

    Well here is one Detroit Red Wings prospect who probably just cooked his goose on ever being a Detroit Red Wing, actually he probably just cooked his goose on being a public citizen for the next few years.…red_wings_prospect_max_nicastro_is_in_serious_trouble/

  34. petefleet says:

    Here’s the view from my Rec Room:

    1. Pleks, Darche and Bourque had a terrible game, collectively and individually.
    2. the Gomez line was far and away the best line for the Habs….that’s not good.
    3. Cole is most definately hurting somewhere as he was only a shadow of himself.
    4. DD and Max either couldn’t or just didn’t find any room out there at all.
    5. Price was great again but the score could easily have been much higher if not for some serious luck. He looked like Brodeur out there a couple times.
    6. PP continues to improve.
    7. No one driving the net = no goals. Thanks to the refs for that one from the previous game.
    8. PK played an excellent game….again.
    9. Bourque is lazy. At least he was yesterday. I’d still take him over Cammy in a direct comparison most nights (based on the last two years).
    10. Very little hitting kept the Devils moving the puck easily through the neutral zone. Hard to watch.


    “It just goes to show how difficult predictions are, especially ones made about the future.”

    ***Habs Forever***

    • RGM says:

      Nice signature quote. 😉

      It’s interesting to see the Doghouse Line (White-Gomez-Kostitsyn) out there and performing as well as they have been. I don’t know if the combo has lit a fire under Gomez & AK46 for the sake of getting their pride ignited or as a showcase opportunity to potential trade suitors, but it seems to be working. That said, I much preferred Kostitsyn with Eller.

      GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
      “Scott Gomez, a potential Hall of Fame player, has two Stanley Cup rings and a Calder Trophy that says ‘I’m a player whom any authentic NHL coach will rely on to fix a game problem.’” – VancouverHab

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  35. Chris says:

    After watching yesterday’s game, I have to say that it is an awfully good thing that the nameplate above the #14 isn’t Kostitsyn, Eller or Leblanc, because that was an absolutely terrible game for Tomas Plekanec.

    At a time of the year when the Habs desperately need its veteran players to step up and lead if they have any hope of making the playoffs, Plekanec has been the biggest disappointment to me. 2 points and a -5 for the team’s purported leader in the last 4 games, a time when the Habs went 1-2-1, is simply not good enough.

    Plekanec is a good little player. But he wasn’t playing yesterday, as far as I could tell.

    • TomNickle says:

      While Eller rots on the bench.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I fail to understand the Eller handling in recent weeks. Nothing I have seen indicates him to be a poor student, listener, poor attitude etc.. Yah he took a few bad penalties, but his effort level seems to always be there. I just don’t know why he seems to always be in the doghouse, be it JM’s or now RC’s.

        • Strummer says:

          This is why RC is not ready for primetime.
          The whole throw- the- players- in- a -blender-routine and coming up with in-effective line combo’s(DD line notwithstanding) isn’t working.

          “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
          -Dennis Miller

          • TomNickle says:

            It isn’t about line combinations. It’s about trying to get more out of players and going the wrong way about it. You can’t humiliate professionals and expect results.

        • New says:

          Well Eller is 22 and is doing ok. He isn’t Crosby and he tries to hit people hard. I think if they play him big minutes he will get hurt at this stage. He is tall but still growing into the NA game. I actually think he is a player they are bringing along correctly.

          • TomNickle says:

            I’m not sure why a comparison to Crosby is needed here. Justifying playing Eller for 10 minutes, 11 minutes and 5 minutes in the last three games because? He isn’t Crosby?

            The kid’s been fed a dog’s breakfast since day one with this team. The only time he’s been given a consistent supporting set of wingers was with Moen and Kostitsyn. I believe he was around a ppg with those linemates in the last two seasons. Now he’s been given combinations that have included Darche, Palushaj, Leblanc, White, Weber, Gomez, and that’s all fine. But what shouldn’t be happening is healthy scratches and 10 shifts in a 60 minute game. He was seeing the opposing teams’ top forward lines through the first half of the season and was a plus player. What happened to that? If production on the ice means anything, he’s been doing a great job for a third year pro.

    • New says:

      The frustrating thing about Pleks is he appears to play like Datsyuk for say 2/3 of a game then goes into a disappearing act. I would say “Plays like a little girl” but someone already did. I don’t think he is ever going to work out of it. That is his nature.

      Nice article by Dave Stubbs on Gill. Old time hockey column. Had a great guy to write about too:-)

  36. John Q Public says:

    Whats going on with the youth?
    Its been very obvious since the game with St louis we aren’t going anywhere this year.
    So why aren’t we playing Eller Leblanc Palushaj White much more so they can learn from their mistakes.
    The PP doesn’t change and it sucks.
    Emelin and Eller on the PP might help.
    Still waiting for a trade of some importance.
    Pleks love him but he has to go and AK been nice knowing you, See Ya.
    They may be waiting to sign some free agents in the summer.
    At least the organist is rockin the joint.

  37. TomNickle says:

    I find it mind boggling that Jacques Martin was crucified consistently here for benching players for mistakes and Randy Cunneyworth escapes each passing game unscathed for the same practice.

    Rafael Diaz, Lars Eller, PK Subban, Andrei Kostitsyn and Scott Gomez.

    Others have had their icetime cut down to a handful of shifts at times since he’s taken over like Plekanec, Gill, Darche and Bourque.

    Now I don’t know if he’s just trying to find the right chemistry among groupings but this combined with Ladouceur’s tendency to scream at players with cameras rolling points to dysfunction in my opinion.

    I feel that this team has two coaches auditioning for head coaching jobs next season and that it’s being done at the expense of the players on this team. They aren’t exactly a group of victims, but I can’t have high expectations for this team while Campoli, Kaberle and Weber are all among the six defensemen this team dresses.

    • boonie says:

      Anaheim is among the league’s best since January. It took boudreau a month to make changes. Our record a month after RC took over is
      7-4-1, which is pretty darn good.

      I appreciate his candor, like our more aggressive forecheck and commend him for not walking out when his boss and employer threw him under the bus when he was introduced

      • TomNickle says:

        The thing about hockey is that if you ever quit on a team it’s incredibly rare that you’re given another chance to coach one. Geoff Molson and Pierre Gauthier made stupid public remarks, but that doesn’t make Cunneyworth a saint and certainly doesn’t absolve him of his responsibility in how he handles his players.

        In fact, because he is likely to be gone in April it’s quite possible that he doesn’t care how these players are treated by himself and his coaching staff.

        • boonie says:

          You’re probably right. But he had media support outside Montreal to quit and has enough history as an NHL captain and AHL coach to avoid getting Nolan’ed

          • TomNickle says:

            You really think that if he’d walked out on his first opportunity to coach an NHL team that he wouldn’t have been blackballed by the other NHL clubs for an inability to handle difficult situations?

            You’re definitely a glass half full fella.

          • boonie says:

            Would have been a long, long shot. He stuck around and handled it well. So he turned it into a positive. I got the recent buffalo game from MSG (complete with HNIC castoff Harry Neale), speculating that RC ends up in buffalo next year.

      • Strummer says:

        It shows coaching will make you or break you.
        Can you say “au revoir” RC?

        “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
        -Dennis Miller

  38. Mark C says:

    Another hack job by Todd on Gauthier. If we’re supposed to care about Todd’s opinion, why does he fail to offer his opinion on the most important element of the Gill trade: the return? Funny, how Todd is unwilling to at least give Gauthier “atta boy” for making a great trade. All negative, negative, negative; let’s drive this loon out of town. Todd would have you believe that Gauthier is within a finger nail of turning into Howard Hughes.

    I agree with Todd, to the extent that Gauthier should be more fourth coming. However, I still see little proof that a more media savvy GM makes for a better team.

    • boonie says:

      Agree completely. If you want to fault the secrecy, show it’s impact on the team performance. At the same time, we got market value for gill. Same as Kubina. Same as grossman.

      • Mark C says:

        It’s just an easy red herring argument to make without any proof or evince. Different sport, but the Bill Belichick is widely considered the most secretive head coach in the NHL, yet he’s one of the most successful in NHL history.

      • ont fan says:

        I listened to Lou Lamerillo the other day..any time he was asked about players or movement in the organization he said we do not discuss that…other than that it was just superficial talk and stories from the past..Burke says and does the same thing…I don’t think any GM is a big talker …did anyone hear about the Grossman trade before it happened

      • ont fan says:

        I listened to Lou Lamourello the other day..any time he was asked about players or movement in the organization he said we do not discuss that…other than that it was just superficial talk and stories from the past..Burke says and does the same thing…I don’t think any GM is a big talker …did anyone hear about the Grossman trade before it happened

    • kerrgte says:

      Jack Todd is absolutely right.

      The Canadiens GM correctly receives a failing grade.

      The litany of mistakes includes and is not limited to:
      – poor coaching excuse;
      – Markov;
      – shipping out Hamrlik, Moore, Halpern;
      – few bright lights on the farm compared to the other teams (see the Habs future website – about 24th out of 30 teams last time I looked)
      – and, of course, this year’s dismal performance.

      But loudest cheers for acquiring Erik Cole.

      Nope, this is a management that has made too many mistakes.

      Now, think about it a moment. Objectively compare and contrast the NJ, Boston, NYR, and the exemplary Detroit franchise. See the difference? Their fortunes are improving – not so in Montreal, even though Montreal has the money to spend.

      I can’t see Geoff Molson accepting mediocrity (to be generous). Why would he?

  39. boonie says:

    I’m no fan of the Ghost. Decades of futility and his record here are all I need to know.

    Like Todd, I also happen to hate the secrecy surrounding the team. I’ve posted about a few times. However, other than being annoying for journalists and limiting more trade buzz for us HIOers the real case needs to be made that Goat’s Cone of Silence has a negative impact on productivity.

    Let’s see. Most people (not me) feel that Eller’s talent and upside represented fair value for Halak). Most people liked that he moved the cancerous Michael Camma-talks-too-much for a combination of present and future value (again, not me). Hell, most people look at the Kaberle deal and see a better player than Spacek and give Goat a thumbs up (me, blech). Turning to more recent events, Gauthier got fair market value for Gill. Grossman, Gill and Kubina each fetched comparable return.

    His CIA-like security hasn’t affected the passion of communities like this, or attendance or the prices Molson receives for licensing his team’s rights. Consistent losing might in the long term, but not the Ghost’s lack of communication.

    Goat needs to go, the team needs to be embrace us fans. Now is the time for both. However, even I can blame privacy. That’s just yet another annoying manifestation of the dufus in charge.

    • TomNickle says:

      If two second round picks is fair market value for Gill, Gauthier should get two 1st round picks for Kostitsyn.

      • boonie says:

        Did I miss th second second rounder?

        • TomNickle says:

          2nd round pick and Geoffrion(2nd rounder).

          Not picking on you. Just saying that it’s way above fair market value. It’s double fair market value to be fair.

          • boonie says:

            Grossman fetched a second and third. Kubina a second and fourth. I can’t see boom boom jr jr going for more than those additional considerations straight up. I still think goat got the going rate, which is all we can reasonably expect.

          • TomNickle says:

            Grossman is 27 years old and fetched a 2nd and 3rd.
            Kubina is 34 and fetched a 2nd and 4th.

            Gill fetched two 2nd round picks = Above market value.

          • boonie says:

            @Tom, I’m not picking on you, but a 23 year old picked in th second round is not the same as a second round pick. We’ve lost years of development, RFA years and the ability to pick someone fresh based on our scouting reports and organizational needs.

            If we got pouliot back, would we have considered that a first and second?

          • TomNickle says:

            Boonie. You do realize that a prospect who’s played in 40 NHL games and has been scoring fairly consistently as a young professional is more valuable than a second round pick itself right?

          • boonie says:

            I don’t think a GM would trade a second for Geofferion right now. To me, that’s his value. We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. Chalk it up to the vagueries of player development.

  40. HabsFan82 says:

    The problem with RC He’s trying to balance the lines by doing so he’s making some of the lines weaker. we have a pretty good 1st line once you get pass that not much to talk about.
    myself I wouldn’t mind seeing Cole, Pleks, Kostitsyn as a line and
    Bourque, Desharnais, Max-Pac as a line and see how it works out.
    our 3rd line could be white, Eller, Leblanc. 4th could be, Palushaj, Gomez, Darche. Really, what do we have to lose. as far as the playoffs go. I don’t see this team making it and if they do it’ll be most likely a 1st round exit. I say start moving players get something better for the Habs future…..we have 4 or 5 forwards and a couple of D-men holding this team back. make the right moves and the Habs will be a good team again. until we can roll 3-solid lines. we won’t see a cup in Montreal for a long, long time.

  41. 24 Cups says:

    Please read the 2nd paragraph.

    This should be one of the discussion points when the Habs interview this spring for a new management team.

    • habstrinifan says:

      You get the feeling he had the Canadiens square in his sights as he wrote this paragraph.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Only because you said Please, and then i read the whole article. Good read, good points.

      Who will be the architect to do this for our franchise?

    • Strummer says:

      This reinforces my point all along that it starts at the top.
      That’s where they need to start any rebuild.
      Habs are the top revenue producer in the NHL and can well afford the resources to build a strong managerial/player development

      No more beer salesmen and alumni.

      Find the best personnel available and give them French lessons.
      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
      -Dennis Miller

  42. New says:

    I think the Devils game was a “statement”. Maybe in a couple years the team can put a consistent game together but not now. For those who often compare Pleks with Datsyuk – not even close. Datsyuk shows up. And there is the nub of it. If the so called golden boys don’t show up it is a bad example to the others. You really have to credit the guys like Price, Desharnais, Cole, Patches, and a couple others who do try every game.

  43. G-Man says:

    Jack Todd’s main whine was about how secretive the Habs as an organization are. Well, tough titty JT. After all the bs this organization has had to deal with when it comes to the media, I say more power to him. The media here is invasive, digging for every bs detail they can come up with.
    Remember the Kostitsyn and night life and mob connections, anyone?
    Remember Demers tearfully declaring on Anti Chambre how the organization itself was in jeopardy?
    The next thing I have to comment upon is the media denigrating every f***ing move the team makes. Whether it’s a call up from Hamilton or some no-name 4th liner being placed on waivers, if the Habs do it it has to be wrong. The fact that media types have lost their “sources”? Too bad. Maybe if said media types had any discretion at all they would be spoken to. Where there is no trust, no juicy leaks coming from someone who should keep quiet, the media begins to take aim and try to destroy the management of the franchise. PG owes no one any interviews. Neither does anyone else who works for them, be they scouts or goalie coach.
    The line in the sand has been firmly in place since the debacle of the attempted Lecavalier trade. That’s why we, the public, do not hear anything beyond our own speculation before a trade happens. And that’s the way it should be.

    • Psycho29 says:

      Very well said G-Man…

      The media seems to think they are entitled to every secretive tidbit of information about the team, when in fact they’re not.
      I don’t seem to remember Sam Pollock sitting down with reporters having to explain every trade or call up from the farm team.

  44. HabinBurlington says:

    How great a GM is Lou Lamoriello, I think I put him at the top of the list, yes even ahead of Ken Holland. Considering he has managed a team with financial restrictions, a limited fan base, yet the team is a perennial winner. They have had some down years (tank perhaps?) but for the most part, always highly competitive.

    The argument can be made regarding the style of hockey they play, but the results are very good. What impresses me most about Lou, was the handling of the Kovalchuk trade. It has been widely reported by Hockey media, that Lou never wanted to make that trade, but was essentially told to do so by ownership. In what should have been a deal handcuffing the organization and stripping it of all its other talent, he has managed to continue make good decisions and ice a winner.

    Yes, he has a difficult situation approaching with Parise, and he may indeed lose him as an UFA this upcoming season. That could be the fly in the otherwise clean ointment jar that is his current resume. However, a small decision he recently made is paying off handsomely. Florida decided to reject Peter DeBoer as coach, not recognizing the talent he was provided was not NHL quality. But Lou recognized that Peter is a very good hockey mind with an impeccable record as coach of the Kitchener Rangers, and with probably good experience gained in Florida. Helping him along the way is Larry Robinson. Just smart work by the GM.

    I have this pipe dream where Lou gets sick of the pathetic ownership in NewJersey and makes a phone call to Geoff Molson. I think I really need to put this crack pipe down now.

    • boing007 says:

      Does Lou speak French? Or a New Jersey patois version of French?

      Richard R

    • 24 Cups says:

      Losing Parise could turn out to be a major blunder. As you mentioned, this will be a ownership mistake, not a management mistake. BTW, why would teams give up some great assets to obtain Nash when they can get this guy for free on July 1st?

      As for Lou, his other fly in the ointment was his initial total misread of the salary cap after the lockout. I also wonder if he has a plan to replace Brodeur. It appears he will have to trade or sign a UFA to fill the void.

      Jersey’s days of winning Cups are long gone.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Clearly the goaltender of the future they still need to find, but given that the team has two owners who actually hate each other and have messed up many of the long term plans Lou had for that franchise I can’t blame Lou.

        But that team plays a very solid two way game. If Lou does some tweaking prior to the deadline, I could see that team making noise in the East this year as it could be Brodeurs last hurrah.

    • TomNickle says:

      Another thing about him is that he micromanages every aspect of his organization. Quite some time ago I was referred to and applied for a position with that organization and received a personal letter from him thanking me for my interest.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I listened to him on the local sports radio station here in Toronto a week or so ago. So engaging, insightful, but then the host started asking about contract status with Parise, and Lou just shut him down. Flat out said, I never have nor will I speak publically at all about contracts with my players. The host tried another angle and Lou just said, you should know better.

        Was great, he wasn’t a prick about it. What I like about him, is he talks about his philosophies, but still manages to keep many things close to his vest. I think PG is fine to keep many things quiet, but he could learn to be more engaging with the media in order to facilitate a better relationship with the fans.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      The NJ Devils have won exactly two playoff series since their Stanley Cup in 2003.

      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  45. HabinBurlington says:

    I can’t believe how happy I will be the day Martin F. Brodeur retires. I don’t dislike him, I am proud he is a great Canadian goalie with a tremendous record. But the guy just beats us, and not just with his play. I get the impression his teammates realize oh Marty is playing and its in Montreal? Okay good we are going to win, lets do it for him.

    Perhaps upon his retirement a ceremony can be done for him at the Bell Centre.

    • I’ll be happy when that entire organization moves to the West. They are never fun to play against, and we almost never beat them. They have two great Canadiens behind the bench, and their system works.

      But yes Martin Brodeur is a Habs Killer.

      But I’m not worried. Last night was not a must win situation.

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    • habstrinifan says:

      You just highlighted a stark reality. The HABS have run out of players to honour. (ok i am exaggerating but only slightly). We can indeed start holding retirement nights for geat habs nemeses.

      Oh by the way anyone replying to this post must include a convincing argument as to what is the real plural form of nemesis or even if a plurlal form exists.

      Come on take up the challenge. You know you have time on your hands… the habs aint going anywhere.

  46. The Cat says:

    Good article by Todd. I agree with everything he says. The way the habs organization goes out of its way to belittle/spit on its past heroes is beyond me.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • 24 Cups says:

      I agree. The part about Muller might be over the top but the rest is bang on.

      The fact that some people don’t like Jack Todd doesn’t mean some of his points throughout the year aren’t valid.

      • mrhabby says:

        steve. we both live in the centre of the hockey universe and i have never heard leaf ass’t coachs interviewed as well as goalie coachs in all my years living here. so i really don’t get todds argument there.

        maybe the muller thing could have been handled a little better i suppose.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      WHAT ??? !!!! Belittle our heroes ???

      There is no organization anywhere that is more fixated on the past! It’s what we do.

      If anything our problem is too much hero worship.

      And Kirk Muller was a great player and a huge part of the 93 cup team, but let’s keep some perspective. He played three and a half seasons for the Habs. And he was assistant coach here forever. So he comes back 6 months later coaching the opposition and you want the Habs to do what exactly? Have Youppi hold back the tears at centre ice while they replay highlights of his career?

      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  47. smiler2729 says:

    Perfect piece on Hal Gill, Stubbsy, too bad you can’t do one on every Hab so the vultures here see their human sides…

    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

  48. HabFanSince72 says:

    The real problem:

    After years of trading away draft picks for rentals, trading away young players because they “didn’t fit” (Gui, Sergei, O’Byrne, Ribeiro, Lapierre …), and letting UFAs walk for nothing (esecially in 2008), we don’t have enough forwards to fill out a roster, and we have no one in Hamilton ready to come up.

    Does anyone not think a 4th line of Lapierre, Sergei and Ryan White would be good?

    And a D-pairing of O’Byrne and McDonagh?

    Gainey’s short term thinking is what had gotten us here.

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Solid argument.

    • RGM says:

      At this stage in his career with Nashville, why would Sergei Kostitsyn accept a cap of being a 4th line player?

      GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
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    • Mad Habber says:

      Good points…

      But Gui, Sergei, O’Byrne, Ribeiro, Lapierre, all left in unfavourable fashion. They were taking a lot of heat from fans, media and some from coaches. The guys having difficult with the coaches are understandable, the others not so much.

      Over the past few decades I have never seen this team do anything but think short term. As others have mentioned on here, why didn’t Gainey deal Koivu, Kovalev, Komisarek, and all the ufa’s that year for picks and prospects.

      It is the always have to make the playoffs or else mentality that is killing the team more than anything else. It leaves no room for development for guys that are not already pegged to be stars before they arrive in Montreal. Subban & Price have had longer leashes than most because they were stars before they every played in Montreal.

    • Mustang says:

      BUT……we are only in year 7, or is it year 8??? of the 5 year rebuilding plan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! These things take time.

      • Mad Habber says:

        There was never a rebuild. When did the Habs ice youngsters over veterans that where not preforming? Never. When did management hold unto promising youngster even though they needed time to develop on and off the ice? Price and Subban are the only two.

    • habsnyc says:

      That is entirely valid. The young guys on the team see the writing on the wall. They look at how Ryder, S Kost, Komisarek, Streit, Grabovski, Dags, Latendresse and many other players drafted by this franchise all got their big contracts elsewhere after this organization lost faith in them.

      A locker room where all the big contracts belong to free agent veterans while the high ranking draft picks are all on one year deals cannot help but be disfunctional.

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  49. 24 Cups says:

    “Rene Bourque: five points in 16 games, minus-4, 28 shots since the trade.

    Mike Cammalleri: seven points in 14 games, minus-4, 33 shots since the trade. It’s the battle of who’s sucking more! Place your bets!

    Well Andrei Kostitsyn got his wish and saw 17:44 of ice time with over two minutes on the power play. Yeah, that didn’t help.

    Wait a minute! Scott Gomez played 17:44 as well. Hmmm. Yep, they were linemates. Sorry I jumped the gun there Andrei. Crosby would struggle to get points playing with that guy too. You’re off the hook.”

    Quotes from Dobber

  50. habstrinifan says:

    Reading the Hal Gill interview by Stubbs, I felt like a f…ing heel. Who the F am I to question the competence,success,ability performance of this decent family man.

    Forgive me Hal, I am just another sh&&&t-arse fan!

  51. Thomas Le Fan says:

    The biggest secret is why anyone would pay Jack Todd to write that drivel.

    • mjames says:

      Todd makes a valid point while your comment is baseless. In what way is his comment drivel? It sounds like no matter what Todd might write you would call it drivel. Actually the drivel is your comment.


      • RGM says:

        Nice work Mrs. Todd. A-ha, see what I did there?

        GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
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      • Mad Habber says:

        “The furtive Gauthier’s obsession with secrecy sometimes hurts the Canadiens more directly, as when he hastily peddled Jaroslav Halak off to St. Louis without testing the market and then did the same with Mike Cammalleri.”

        Read more:

        You could argue, as has been done on here; is faulty media thinking. No one knows if Gauthier shopped them or not. I might be wrong but Montreal had Halak and Price, everyone knew they weren’t going to keep them both. I would imagine that Gauthier and company were able to get a good read on who was interested, and who they wanted.

        I’m not convinced that Cammalleri was a sudden shocker. He was struggling, Habs were struggling.

        The only reason this is a big deal is because some anonymous gm said they wished he know they were available. Which I would say is their own fault as much as Gauthier’s.

        Then he goes on to blame a delayed award ceremony and no screen time for Muller on Gauthier. I highly doubt that either of those are his fault (maybe in terms of hiring the wrong people but I’m not sure he would even be hiring those people), but oh well can’t let that stop a good rant.

        The first might have some merit, the second is highly questionable.

        • RD says:

          An interesting point. How does Todd know whether or not players were shopped around? He just said that Gauthier doesn’t disclose anything and yet he writes something only Gauthier could have known.

          I’m infinitely tired of Jack Todd’s tired writing. He’s spiteful, ignorant and sometimes embarrassing. He’s desperate for attention and his writing reeks of desperation.

          Gauthier’s job is to be the general manager. It most definitely isn’t his job to disclose his strategies and thinking to the largest hockey media in the world.

      • Thomas Le Fan says:

        Au contraire. No one pays me to write whatever you want to call it. You?
        Todd can speculate endlessly but, in the end, he tells me nothing I didn’t know. It would appear that Gauthier did well with both the Cammaleri and the Gill trade. The fact that he doesn’t phone up his ol’ buddy Jack and give him the inside scoop doesn’t mean a thing to me.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Agree! But no more ‘group’ leadership. We need un unmistakable veteran or two at the max ( not two tied together as the Cam/Gomez/Gionta)… leading on the ice and in the room. Right now we dont have that person… with all due respects to everyone on the team.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Edit: Hiring a coach like Robinson would go a long ways to filling any leadership void. Then you could allow someone presently on the team to ‘grow’ into theon-ice leadership status.

    • RGM says:

      Josh Gorges, your name & number are being called.

      GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
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  52. habs178 says:

    Man we are in desperate need for more lines that can score. Why RC ever separated Ak and Eller is beyond me. In my mind, Eller should be with AK and Bourque on the second line.

    In a totally different discussion, I have a question for all your HIOers. There was a game at the Bell Centre on February 5th, and the tickets for said game had a picture of kids that attended the Habs hockey school with Mike Cammalleri (sp?). Anyhoo, my son is in the pic, and I’d desperately like to get my hands on one of the stubs. If any of you could assist me, letting me know where I might find one, that would be awesome! Thanks!

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    ~ Louis L’Amour
    I’ve got the faith!

    • Habfan10912 says:

      How cool for your son. Try calling or writing the Habs. I am sure they can help you.
      Agree with your post but the bigger issue is lack of top 6 forwards. The team is primarily built with third liners and crappy dman. Ughhh.

      • habs178 says:

        Yes, there is a lack of top 6 forwards indeed! But if you’re trying to work with what you have, it ain’t working. And to keep trying, to get chemistry, is just absurd! Especially when you’re still fighting for eighth. I think you put the guys together who you already know have chemistry, and go with that. I like how the guys have played under RC, but I really do question a lot of his moves. Its just so damn frustrating!

        And as far as the ticket, I will try that. See if the Habs can help me out. Thanks for the advice!

        “To disbelieve is easy; to scoff is simple; to have faith is harder”
        ~ Louis L’Amour
        I’ve got the faith!

    • RGM says:

      Keep your eyes peeled on eBay. I see ticket stubs pop up all the time (and have even picked up a few) – usually will run you $3-$4 for a pair.

      GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
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  53. habstrinifan says:

    I agree with Todd’s premise.. Gaauthier’s secretive style does more harm than good.

    • RGM says:

      From the fan/media perspective of always needing more information to digest and process, sure. Sells copies, makes good water cooler fodder.

      If I’m a player though, I have much more respect for the way Gauthier conducts business than a Brian Burke type that throws me under the bus after a bad game and/or just lets my name twist in the wind. Players shouldn’t have to deal with that sort of thing hanging over their head – they need to just focus on going out and winning a hockey game, not worrying about whether or not they’re going to have to pull the kids out of school in late February to uproot to a new town because my GM only kinda-sorta squashes things made up by Eklund.

      GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
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    • RD says:

      I find Gauthier’s style affects the media more than anything. I could sit there and watch reporters like Todd throw tantrums and rip their hair out. I don’t care about that.

      What I care about is whether or not Gauthier can make a good signing or trade.

  54. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Curse you Red Devil! We need an exorcism. The curse of Martin Brodeur needs to be lifted. Enough already.

    Go Habs!

  55. 24 Cups says:

    Tick, tock, trade talk.–nhl-trade-deadline-maple-leafs-among-teams-looking-to-trade

    (I’m under the impression this may have been written a few days ago)

    • habstrinifan says:

      What a sad footnote from the sellers section of your link.

      ” MONTREAL: Lots of dead weight. Would move the likes of Scott Gomez for peanuts just to get salary-cap space.”

      • smiler2729 says:

        I like peanuts

        Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

      • 24 Cups says:

        hf – As sellers, we basically have three players to offer. I seriously doubt that Campoli would bring much in a deal. A low level pick, at best.

        That leaves AK46 and Moen. Sadly, they are both the type of players we need for next year yet it appears they will both walk away.

        AK46 continues to frustrate. Only 12 goals and 24 points. I wonder if there’s any chance to package him along with one of our mid level defensive prospects for a low level 1st rounder.

        Moen’s value drops seeing that he is hurt. I wouldn’t even mind having him back next year although the salary increase would be high for a secondary player. He’s only 30, so in a perfect world we could move him for a pick and then re-sign him on July 1st. Unlikely, to be sure.

        Is there a team out there that would give us a 1st rounder (or a good prospect) for AK and Moen? Beef up at forward the way Vancouver did last year? Pipe dream, to be sure.

  56. HabFanSince72 says:

    And Jack Todd continues his demented campaign to get Pierre Gauthier fired.

    You can accuse the Goat of a lot of things, but not “welcoming” Muller when the Canes came to town?

    How? Why? What team would do that? And does he really think Gauthier tells the Bell Ctr AV staff what pictures to put up on the big screen before the game?

    When the Habs played in Ottawa did the Sens “welcome” Randy Cunneyworth?

    And yet he wonders why no one in the Canadiens’ organization will talk to him.

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • habstrinifan says:

      You may be totally right but you cant compare Randy Cunneyworth’s return to Ottawa with Habs to Muller’s to Montreal with Canes.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Randy Cunneyworth was a Captain in Ottawa, was well liked and was the epitomy of blue collar lunch bucket player. Granted no Cup win, but the comparison is fair in many ways. But neither here nor there, Jack Todd just realized it was time to use his giant Ladle and stir the pot again.

        • habstrinifan says:

          Todd’s premise that PG’S secrecy is counter productive is, in my humble opion, right. PG is in the type of job where subjecting your thought process to ‘loud’ reflection, as in interviews etc.. you know hearing yourself think… is a great way to test the validity of those thoughts.

          • RGM says:

            I would venture that if Brian Burke were to read some of the nuggets he’s dropped with the media he might re-think his style.

            GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
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          • HabFanSince72 says:

            You are walking on the sidewalk when up ahead you see a crazy person talking loudly to themselves; so you cross to the other side of the street.

            With the media here, Gauthier’s secrecy can be understood in those terms.

            Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  57. smiler2729 says:

    The Habs. The End.

    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

  58. jetson18 says:

    Possibly expect a trade this week ? Does anyone else feel that it looks like once they get close enough to the playoffs they’re almost told to pull back to tank the season ?

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Interesting thought but I doubt this group could pull something like that off. Besides, with the exemption of a few games, its not effort that’s been lacking. Its talent and balance. We lack top 6 forwards, a good 4th line, and only 3 of our dman are worth a crap. Darche playing top 6 minutes tells you all you have to know about this flawed roster. PK, Price, Gorges, Emelin, and Cole are a nice base on which to build. It does look like PG is going to get the chance to retool, huh?

    • habstrinifan says:

      We all do! All of us here at the L.L.O.S.E.R.S convention. Lunar Landing..Outstanding Special Effects Ruse Society.

    • RGM says:

      I expect to see a few trades in the next 7 days.

      GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
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