Mike & Max’s excellent adventure: Weaver’s dream summer with Pacioretty

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Canadiens’ Mike Weaver enjoys a few Florida rays with his quiet teammate, Max Pacioretty. What began with one photo of Weaver’s Brossard locker has become something truly hilarious and a huge hit with Habs fans. And it’s not over yet…
Twitter photo courtesy @mikeweaver_43

Canadiens defenceman Mike Weaver and forward Max Pacioretty have been enjoying a wonderful summer of bromance, even though only Weaver is willing to talk about it.

The fact that Pacioretty is, in fact, 21 inches tall by 16 inches wide on glossy paper, black and white but for a colour jersey logo (and adorned by a goatee and Salvador Dali mustache), just a poster plucked from a magazine, might have a little something to do with it.

Here’s Stubbs’s feature column detailing Weaver’s brilliant travelogue idea that has taken two teammates from Montreal to Florida to Toronto. So far.

And if you’re not following Weaver at @mikeweaver_43 on Twitter… what’s keeping you?

Below: the May 31 tweet that started it all:

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705 Comments

  1. knob says:

    I’m curious to know how people feel about Sekac?
    Do you think that:
    -he plays in Hamilton;
    -depth guy in Montreal;
    -bottom six player in Montreal;
    -top six in Montreal;
    -50 goal scorer at the NHL level

    I think that he ends up in Hamilton.

    • Cal says:

      20 to 30 goals NHL level. Won’t be demoted unless the scouting staff and management are totally wrong. He is why Gionta was set loose on an unsuspecting Buffalo public.

    • krob1000 says:

      I think he starts with team….he is doing pretty well in camp from what I am reading in the tewitterverse. The fact he was so sought after, his age/experience, his position as a scoring winger, him choosing Montreal it all adds up to him getting a shot.

      • Chris says:

        I think it comes down to whether Therrien likes Sekac or Bournival more. I suspect both will be up eventually, once an injury hits, but out of camp I can see the team giving Bournival the edge based on what they’ve already seen of him in the NHL, letting Sekac do a bit of adjusting in the AHL until he is called up.

        But if Bournival has a lousy camp, that could reverse itself.

        • 24 Cups says:

          Chris – Please clarify. If Sekac or Bournival takes a spot on a regular line then the other guy will probably go back to Hamilton. Makes sense. So if Moen is the 13th forward, who is #14?

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          • Chris says:

            Answered below…I think Bergevin takes his time and then looks at a veteran insurance forward to fill that 14th forward spot. Bergevin values depth, so if somebody like Stempniak (unlikely), Leino (probably can get more than the $1 million I would offer him in Europe), or Winnik could be had, that might be your solution. But we have to see what Eller/Subban are going to cost, first.

        • krob1000 says:

          I think there is still another forward leaving Montreal.

        • Habfan17 says:

          I don’t believe the competition for a spot boils down to a choice between Bournival and Sekac. I think they could both make the team and force someone else out!

          Habfan17

          • Chris says:

            Who?

            When they acquired Parenteau, I suspect that it was with the plan of playing him.

            Galchenyuk, Pacioretty, Gallagher, and Bourque are pretty much locks. Prust is a lock if he’s recovered from his injuries. Weise is as close to a lock as you can get because of his impact on the team this season.

            I just don’t see the spot that is up for grabs.

    • bwoar says:

      If he becomes a Jan Bulis 40 point player I’d be thrilled.

    • crane says:

      Sekac and Bournival stays,Moen dumped or traded

  2. krob1000 says:

    Patrick Kane achievement List
    2006 U18 All-Star Team
    OHL All-Rookie Team (2007)
    OHL First All-Star Team (2007)
    OHL Rookie of the Year (2007)
    CHL Rookie of the Year (2007)
    2007 WJC All-Star Team
    NHL All-Rookie Team (2008)
    Calder Memorial Trophy (2008)
    Played in Three All-Star Games (2009, 2011, 2012)
    Second Star of the Week, December 20–26, 2009
    Third Star of the Month, December 2009
    2010 Winter Olympics silver medal
    2010 Stanley Cup champion
    Scored the Stanley Cup Winning Goal 2010
    2010 First Team NHL All-Star
    THN’s Pavel Bure Award (Best Shootout Shooter) (2013)
    Conn Smythe Trophy (Playoff MVP) 2013
    2013 Stanley Cup champion
    First Star of the Month, November 2013
    First Star of the Month, December 2013

  3. HabinBurlington says:

    Well here is a headline you don’t often see after a sporting event.

    http://screamer.deadspin.com/argentinas-javier-mascherano-says-he-tore-his-anus-agai-1603023083/+samer

  4. 24 Cups says:

    Steve Ott, acquired by the St Louis Blues from the Buffalo Sabres as part of the Ryan Miller trade last season, has signed a two-year, $5.2 million deal to stay with the Blues.

    That shows what I know about hockey and the present day NHL. I was hoping that the Habs could get Ott for cheap in August. Maybe a one year deal for 1.5M. Back to the drawing board.

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  5. Chris says:

    I find it weird to see people suggesting that Patrick Kane has ridden Jonathan Toews’ coattails.

    The most common line that the Blackhawks used this season, by far, was Patrick Sharp and Marian Hossa flanking Toews. When you have two of the top forwards in the game on your wings, you are going to look good.

    Patrick Kane was used all over the line-up, and produced wherever he went. He started the season as Toews’ right wing, but was moved off that line after about 10 games and replaced with Hossa.

    Kane’s most common lines this season (in terms of the total even-strength ice time of the team) were:

    Kane-Handzus-Versteek (3.91%)
    Saad-Shaw-Kane (3.15%)
    Saad-Pirri-Kane (2.57%)
    Kane-Toews-Sharp (2.37%)
    Bickell-Toews-Kane (1.84%)

    The line shuffling Patrick Kane endured would make even Michel Therrien blush. Yet he produced everywhere he went. That is not the signature of a player who was riding somebody else’s coattails.

    Kane earned his own contract. Suggesting that he’s reaping the benefits of Jonathan Toews’ play is giving too much credit to a guy that already seems to walk on water with Canadian hockey fans.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      The question is whether Patrick Kane is one of the 3-4 best players in the league, as he is one of the top 3 best paid players in the league.

      A good comparable is Phil Kessel (same age, same style of player). I would rate the two as approximately equal. Kessel is earning $8M, not $10.5M.

      —–
      Moving. Forward.

      • Chris says:

        Kessel signed his deal under a different league revenue situation than Kane, however.

        Personally, I would be more worried about Toews than Kane. I know that Kane can produce regardless of who his linemates are. How good is the offensive game of Jonathan Toews if he’s got Brandon Saad and Bryan Bickell as linemates, as opposed to Marian Hossa and Patrick Sharp?

        This is always one of the things left out of discussions of Plekanec as a #1 centre. I don’t think Plekanec is as good as Jonathan Toews, but I think Plekanec sure looks good with Hossa and Sharp, two exceptional defensive forwards in their own right who are also elite offensive players. That Sharp-Toews-Hossa line is the best in hockey.

        • CH Marshall says:

          Good points. If Pleks had at least one of Hossa and Sharp as linemate, we’d see him in a very different light..at least different from the tradebait talk on HIO

          • UKRAINIANhab says:

            Word

          • Habfan17 says:

            No you wouldn’t! Pleks is not a playmaker or a scorer. That is what Vanek was alluding too, although he went about it the wrong way.
            People keep saying Pleks would put up more points if he had better wingers. He has had better wingers and he didn’t light it up. He is just not that type of player!

            Habfan17

          • Chris says:

            Plekanec had 70 points with Kovalev and Kostitsyn.

            You will get points just by being on the ice with Hossa and Sharp, as both guys can create goals by themselves or for somebody else. Lots of secondary assist opportunities for a centre with wingers of that quality.

      • krob1000 says:

        Phil Kessel and Patrick Kane are NOT equal. Patrick Kane is a winner…a guy who may have his faults but is a born winner. HE is perhaps the most clutch offesnvie player in teh game and his skills are only rivalled by Crosby and Datsyuk. HE may not be a complete hockey player but he is one of the best in the game at what he does. If off the top of my head someone asked me who is the best offensive winger in the game…without a doubt IMO it is Patrick Kane. Ovechkin may score more but is far more of a liability and is not the playmaker that Kane also is. If I could pick any winger in the NHL to put out in an elimination game in OT I would choose Patrick Kane.

        • DipsyDoodler says:

          Are you saying “Phil Kessel and Patrick Kane are NOT equal. Patrick Kane is a winner…” in the voice of Nick Kypreos or Doug MacLean? Because that’s what I’m imagining.

          —–
          Moving. Forward.

      • Ozmodiar says:

        The question is whether Patrick Kane is one of the 3-4 best players in the league, as he is one of the top 3 best paid players in the league.

        This question would be valid if all contracts were signed/extended this off-season. You can’t compare to existing contracts – different salary cap, different CBA, new TV mega-deal, etc…

        We’ll hear the same question when PK signs his contract as his cap hit will be the highest among d-men.

        • krob1000 says:

          When you lead your team to 2 stanley cups…that may be a factor…how much did the Chicago Blackhawks gain financially from those 2 cups? I think that is a huge issue moving forward…those two are the faces of the franchise with Keith….even if they never win another…they have done enough to be among the elite. Personally I still think there should be some sort of hierarchy relative to theleague but it seems that teams who win often share the windfall with their stars and thank them in this way. To me the fact that Crosby is making less than so many players kind of bothers me. The NHL has turned into fantasy hockey (the roster portion)…performance is up to the players and coaches but roster building is exactly like fantasy hockey anymore and these cap hits are now going to need to be offset by some very high value per dollar contracts for them to contend moving forward…see Pitts.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Perhaps, some of us (okay me) just believe Toews is the best player on that team, in fact I happen to think Toews is the centerman I would choose to start a team with. Watching Toews play I find no weaknesses in his game.

      Kane is absolute all world talent, and when he is producing points few can do what he can. But I like the fact that Toews can provide most any role a coach asks of him.

      I’ve never thought Kane rides his coattails, but I do think the combination of the two is perfect. They are opposites in almost every way. Also huge marks to Chicago who were patient with Kane as he had some maturing to do. Who knows what happened behind the scenes, but I still have to think that perhaps the Bruins could have learned from that and still had Seguin on their roster.

      And shame on those Canadian hockey fans who really appreciate Toews……

      • Chris says:

        No shame in appreciating Toews. He is an exceptional player.

        The only shame comes when people downgrade the players around him. I am fine with Toews being a player that many fans see as the ideal for an NHL centre. I don’t agree…I’ll take Crosby ahead of him any day of the week, and there are others that I think are comparable.

        On his current deal, Toews is probably the best centre to build around because that was such a cap-friendly contract for an elite player. But on the new deal, I would take Crosby ($8.7 million), Getzlaf ($8.25 million), Giroux ($8.275 million), Tavares ($5.5 million, best contract in hockey), and Bergeron ($6.5 million) ahead of Toews.

        If we’re ignoring all salary considerations, I would take Crosby first, and then I would have to really think hard between Toews, Bergeron, and Giroux.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Chris – I was one of the people who stated that Kane rode Toews coattails to the promised land. There is no doubt that Kane is a solid point per game man who also racks them up in the playoffs. I just don’t think he’s in the same class as guys like Toews, Stamkos and Crosby. If Toews isn’t a present day Hawk there’s no way Kane gets 84M.

      24 Cups

      • krob1000 says:

        Kane is a winger…his pier group is Ovy, Kessel, Neal, Patches,etc….personally…I take him over any winger in the game. The other guys you mention because they play in the middle are required to be much more involved in diffferent aspects of the game. If given the choice I would choose Kane over OVie….never would have thought that early in their carrers..but one guy just proves time and time again to be a winner…..the other scores a ton of goals but seems more concerned about goalscoring then winning.

        • Ozmodiar says:

          yeah, I think it’s safe to say Kane’s the best winger in the league.

          • Chris says:

            2nd best winger in the league. There is that Stamkos fella in Tampa Bay who deserves some mention in this discussion… ;)

          • Ozmodiar says:

            Stamkos is a centerman. :)

          • krob1000 says:

            CHRis…pretty sure Stamkos plays almost always at center now

          • Chris says:

            Rob: He mixes and matches. In the playoffs, he was the left wing on the line with John$on at centre and Killorn as the right wing. He and John$on take the draws based on who is on their strong side, however. Still, his 33 faceoff draws contested were 5th on the Lightning, behind John$on (71), Filppula (70), Thompson (48) and Paquette (35).

            With the emergence of John$on and the acquisition of Filppula, the Lightning don’t need to play Stamkos at centre, allowing them to continue to exploit his speed on the wing and his one-timers. They didn’t use him too much there in the series against the Habs, but maybe they move him back there this season…he did play a lot of centre in addition to the wing.

          • krob1000 says:

            Stamkos may not have taken the draws in some of those cases but he palyed the middle of the rink….it isnot uncommon to have someone take a draw and then play wing after that point. Stamkos appeared to me to be playing the middle…I remember him playing mostly in the cente rof the rink vs Montreal…he made some stellar defensive palys too.

          • Chris says:

            I’ll have to find some tape…I mostly remember Stamkos steaming down the wing in that series, and he was very good at it. I can’t recall where he was positioned in the defensive zone, but I was pretty sure that it was Tyler John$on that was playing in the traditional centre role when they were linemates.

        • Luke says:

          Ovie would probably have an easier time proving that he’s concerned about winning if he had the likes of Toews, Sharp, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook and Crawford helping him win.

          • Chris says:

            100% agree.

          • krob1000 says:

            For me on the international stage he had incredible rosters and could accomplish little…..a couple of times in the NHl his team was among the tops in the league only to never make it past he second round. Hossa and Sharp IMO are GREAT supporting guys…in fac their numberrs rival KAne and Toews over the years…BUT there is no disputing who the best two forwards are on that team. I am a huge Hossa fan…I was so disappointed years ago when the Habs ddi not land him…he is another guy who is a winner…He ahs been to the semin finals or finals with 4 different teams(6 times in total)..he has 171 playoff games under his belt…he is a winner too.

          • Chris says:

            Rob: Russia have had some supremely talented forwards, but they have lacked depth. And there has been some huge political considerations in the national teams that they have named.

            The general consensus seems to be that the two best NHL forwards are Crosby and Toews. Both guys have struggled at the Olympics just as much as Ovechkin: Toews has 2 goals and 11 points in 13 games at the Olympics, while Crosby has 5 goals and 10 points in 13 games. Ovechkin, by contrast, has 3 goals and 6 points in 9 games.

            Canada has won at the Olympics using the world’s best defence and goaltending. Russia has had the top-9 forwards, but their defence and goaltending has certainly been a step below. I can’t put the international struggles of Russia on Ovie.

  6. UKRAINIANhab says:

    I guarantee you Sekac will make the Habs roster opening night. I am a big College Football fan, and this is how teams recruit players to get on there teams. If 15 teams were after this guy, i am pretty sure the habs made that pitch. But where does he fit? Putting him with Pleks would be kinda cool!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Iron Clad? Any chance you can print the fine print in your guarantee?

    • Chris says:

      Sekac is fighting Bournival for a job. One of them stays in Montreal, the other goes to Hamilton.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Chris – Two mistakes in two days. Yikes!

        As of this moment, the Habs have one roster spot open at forward including players such as Bournival and Moen as part of the overall 13.

        http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/pages/montreal-canadiens-organizational-depth-chart

        Sekac, De La Rose, Andrighetto or maybe a late August signing will vie for that last spot.

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        • Chris says:

          Not a mistake, Steve.

          The way I see the lines:

          Pacioretty-Desharnais-Gallagher/Parenteau
          Galchenyuk-Plekanec-Parenteau/Gallagher
          Bourque-Eller-Weise/Sekac/Bournival
          Weise/Sekac/Bournival-Malhotra-Prust
          Moen

          There are two jobs available, and 3 guys fighting for it. All the other regular spots are spoken for. Personally, I think that there is no question that Weise is in the lineup, so that leaves Sekac and Bournival fighting for the last regular spot. Moen, a defensively responsible veteran, can play as the 13th forward. You don’t keep a kid as a spare forward when they can be logging heavy minutes in Hamilton.

          Injuries will of course change the dynamic, but as of right now, I think that Bournival and Sekac are competing for one job, likely the RW spot on the Eller line.

          • 24 Cups says:

            MaxPac/DD/Gallagher/Parenteau/Galchenyuk/Pleks/Bourque/Eller/Weise/Malhotra/Prust/Moen makes for 12 forwards with Moen being a sub (#13).

            If Sekac and Bourinval fight it out for a regular spot (#12) then the other guy probably goes to Hamilton as you suggested to get regular icetime. If so, who’s the 14th forward? It can’t be De La Rose or Andrightetto seeing that they also need regular icetime in Hamilton.

            I must be missing something here.

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          • Chris says:

            I agree…there is still somebody to be signed. But I simply cannot see Bergevin carrying the loser of the Bournival/Sekac battle as a spare forward when they could be playing in Hamilton.

            I suspect we’ll see Bergeron pick up another veteran as insurance at some point, once he’s finished with the Eller/Subban negotiations. He’s probably waiting out the summer to see what’s left on the market and what veteran might be willing to take on a spare forward job. Of the remaining free agents, I wouldn’t be against signing either of Lee Stempniak or Ville Leino (I know…that name is anathema to hockey fans) to a cheap deal if they were willing to take the big pay cut and reduced role.

      • Habfan17 says:

        I would say that those are not the two fighting for a spot. I would say that if they both prove they belong, it will be someone else losing their spot. I would say there are only a few players who should have a guaranteed spot. The rest are in a fight!

        Habfan17

  7. habstrinifan says:

    Regardless of how one views the renewed escalation in the Palestinian-Israeli … is it really necessary for PM Harper to issue a public statement of support right now?

    How does it help?

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

    https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

  8. CJ says:

    So, my dream of landing Grudbranson is pretty well funk now. Oh well, maybe we have all we need (defensively) internally. I think, by the end of the season, we could have a defence that lines up;

    Tinordi PK
    Markov Bealieu
    Emelin Gilbert
    Weaver

    That said, anything is possible and it’s not entirely out of the realm of possibility that Pateryn could force his way onto the team, as others might force their way off. I really, really like Bergevin’s comment that indicates players make the decisions. I didn’t always feel that this rang true last season, but am encouraged by the moves this summer.

  9. Psycho29 says:

    Conor McKenna‏@mckennaconor·3 hrs

    Deryk Engelland ($2.9M) makes as much as Shawn Thornton ($1.2M) Dany Heatley ($1M) and John Scott ($700K) combined.

  10. Habfan17 says:

    You would think in such a hockey mad city, there would be many more articles available on the development camp and the players.
    Especially Sherbak and Sekac. I would also like to know how the others like McCarron look!

    Habfan17

  11. frontenac1 says:

    I get it that Weaver likes Max but this whole thing is starting to get unhealthy. I think he should get a puppy.

  12. Luke says:

    So. What’s everyone having for lunch? (Or, what did you have for lunch?)

    Looking for a little inspiration…

  13. boing007 says:

    Captain Kirk for Captain. Spock and McCoy get the A. Scotty to beam them up if something goes awry.

    Richard R

  14. DipsyDoodler says:

    Any news from the development camp?

    How’s Sekac?

    I’d like to know.

    Now.

    —–
    Moving. Forward.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      And De La Rose too.

      —–
      Moving. Forward.

    • jamman says:

      Sekac has looked really good, as well as De La Rose. Scherbak n Macarron… not so much

      • CJ says:

        It’s funny, everyone sees something different. Reports from various sources, including Berkshire, indicate that MacCarron is looking much sharper. Better turns, better skating, better shot. I have seen conflicting reports on a number of prospects, but the following seem to be consistent standouts;

        Hudon, Andrighetto, Didier, Bennett, MacCarron, Fucale, Sekac, Beaulieu (shouldn’t really count), de La Rose.

        I’ve read that it appears Imama could play the game without a puck. I have read very positive reviews regarding Wardley and Nevins, who are both very physical. In fact, I would go so far as saying that Nevins would likely be the last name added to the list above.

        In closing, please appreciate that I am not there, so this is only a collection of second hand information from a variety of sources.

        • jamman says:

          Hey CJ,

          My info is second hand from my uncle who was at the scrimmage so Im sure if I was there I’d see it differently. As for McCarron, I have faith. He does have a rocket of a shot, I remember last pre-season when he got close enough the tendy was at his mercy, unfortunately he hit the post twice. Just as Knuckles says in his book >> when your physical enough you intimidate and thus you open up avenues for yourself<< Im hoping McCarron can do this.

          • CJ says:

            I am hoping MacCarron becomes a fixture in our lineup for years to come. If we need to wait another 2-3 years, so be it. Like yourself, I have faith in his abilities.

    • boing007 says:

      Ask him on his Twitter account.

      Richard R

  15. THE ABSOLUTE_TRUTH says:

    MB is slowly Building a real good playoff team first, once that’s accomplished he will add the Stanley Cup pieces it’s gonna take a few years, but it will happen and it won’t cost as much as people think. He’s taking the approach, you have to walk before you can run instead of going all gung ho and not accomplishing anything in the end. He seems to be a very smart GM and so far has done a good job, still some work to be done though for 2014-2015 if we want to stay in playoff contention….

  16. on2ndthought says:

    The other drawback to paying through the nose to get NHL center ice is that you just shelled out $100+ bucks for the privilege of watching ads during your game.

    I subscribe to HBO and TMN and it is wonderful watching entertainment without being exposed to corporate crap.

    I was at the Als game last week and was horrified to see (and hear) the ads they played during the TV timeouts. That is a new and disturbing practice, not something I want to see after shelling out cash to see a live event….. sad

    “a cannonading drive”

  17. mdp2011 says:

    Not sure if this has been mentioned but, here are the arbitration dates for Subban and Eller. No one expects either player to actually go to arbitration, so they should be signed relatively soon.

    Montreal Canadiens
    Lars Eller
    2013-14 salary: $1.5 million
    Arbitration date: July 25

    P.K. Subban
    2013-14 salary: $3.75 million
    Arbitration date: Aug. 1

  18. krob1000 says:

    Has there been any news of who is socring in the scrimmages the last 2 days?

  19. Prop says:

    From what I’m seeing on Twitter, Sekak’s shot is very heavy.

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  20. shiram says:

    Jeremy RutherfordVerified account ‏@jprutherford

    #stlblues have re-signed Steve Ott to a two-year extension worth $5.2 million.

  21. boing007 says:

    Love the Salvador Dali moustache, Max P.

    Richard R

  22. JF says:

    RDS has articles on a few of our prospects – Connor Crisp, Artturi Lehkonen, and Nicholas Koberstein. Worth checking out. Of particular interest is what Crisp says about Martin Lapointe showing up at the rink unexpectedly several times last year, analyzing his game with him, and listing the points he needed to work on. This is a whole dimension of player development that was missing under Gainey and Gauthier.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Absolutely Jane! MB has completely changed the culture of this team, and hearing about player development coaches doing such things is vital.

    • New says:

      You’re right JF. The Canadiens story right now is the development camp. You look at Gadoury, a product of Drouin’s magic perhaps, but how many coaches would have taken a kid destined for college directly into the Q and the first line? How many kids could make that jump? What potential does this young man have? Gadoury is just one of a dozen or more intriguing stories about what could, or might not be the future of this team, or other teams. It is a story of the hopeful, of bright futures, not of a dim and brooding past.

  23. fastfreddy says:

    Based on what Toews and Kane received for salaries, anyone believing that PK Subban will accept anything less than 8mil/yr is dreaming. If MB can sign PK for under 8mil, he will have accomplished a great deed for the team. My 2 cents; PK signs for 8.5/yr.

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

  24. John Q Public says:

    The enemy.

    Stop him now. Sign today!

  25. shiram says:

    On Heatley’s 1 million over one year deal.

    Habs signed Colby Armstrong to the exact same deal 2 years ago, and it certainly did not hamper the team.

    I’d even say that now it would be an easier contract to handle, as he could be sent to the minors and either gets picked up by another team, or only 100k$ of his salary would count against the cap.
    Would not be too bad for a third line winger, but we got enough on the left wing already, and he does not seem to fit Bergevin’s character focus.

  26. Un Canadien errant says:

    Bill Watters on TEAM 1040 Vancouver, and he says Jonathan Toews left $2M on the table so Patrick Kane could be paid the same.

    He castigates Stan Bowman for paying Patrick Kane the same salary and offering him the same term, even though he only shows up some of the time.

    ———————————————————————–
    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • mrhabby says:

      seems to me Kane and Toews gave the Hawks a team discount. The cap and value of these franchises is big reason why the salary for star players is going up.

      • Cal says:

        LMAO! Team discount with a $10.5 mil cap hit each? You’re kidding, right?

        • mrhabby says:

          nope..look at the cap in 5 years. it will surely be around the 90m mark. If the Clippers of the NBA has reported value of 2B and run by a idiot then an original hockey franchise must be way up there. The NHL is flush with cash and so are the teams. Short term yes its a little high but not long term.

          • Cal says:

            Where is that number – 90 mil- coming from? Revenue of the NHL last season was a record $3.7 bil. Even with the new Rogers deal, the cap this season would have been $71mil.
            It’s going to be a tough thing to get the cap to 80, let alone 90.

          • mrhabby says:

            it will come from the usual places..advertising , tv , etc, etc.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Bill Waters doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

      Kane
      Regular season GP 519 Points 493
      Playoffs GP 93 Goals 37 Points 91
      Conn Smythe Trophy winner
      Calder Trophy winner

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Wilbur’s perspective aside, I think Toews is much more important overall to the Hawks than Kane. Having said that, they are like Ying and Yang on that team, and if Toews is okay “apparantly” taking less to keep Kane happy, that is what being a great leader can be.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      Fascinating that Bill Watters is still on the radio, and that people are still listening.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I believe Billy is waiting for the extra wide, extra high def. tv’s to come out before he can return to the TV from the radio.

        Good ol’ Wilbur…… architect of some genius trades while with the Leafs. Yet listen to him on the radio, and you’d think he was Sam Pollock.

        • franco says:

          Waters never made any trades for the Leafs, he was an assistant G.M. he looked after contracts.

          Wilbur has great insights.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Okay, so when he said on the radio in the past that he and Fletcher made trades, I will assume he was lying? Thanks franco, I would be lost without you correcting mine and everyone else’s every step. You da man!

      • mrhabby says:

        Christ what old geezer..cant stand him.

  27. krob1000 says:

    IF you are bored on summer’s day read this article about Eddie Feigner…the King and his Court…incredible softball pitcher. Every couple of yers someone gets talking softball and reminds me and I go and google him and you tube some old videos and read a couple articles…truly incredible.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/10/AR2007021001394.html

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Saw him play in his prime when he did his barnstorming through western Canada, what an incredible pitcher and showman.

      Cool to relive it.

    • 24 Cups says:

      I remember him playing in Ontario. What a fantastic article. A must read if you have never heard of this great player.

      Is he/should he be in the Hall of Fame?

      24 Cups

      • krob1000 says:

        I never got to see him but I have uncles that did and they told me about him when I was young. I never really appreciated it as much back then because I always played hardball and never gave softball the credit it deserved until i was in my early 20’s. I played Junior ball into my early 20’s and we finished 2nd int he province…I got to face guys throwing in the early 90’s and some awesome pitchers….but in my twenties a friend asked me to play some softball for a summer. I absolutely loved the fielding with everything so close…BUT…the hitting? oh the hitting… The ball moves up and from the flat ground it is completely different. The pitches come from so close you have to completely change your hitting approach…it is more of a slapping than a regular approach..I could not hit a good softball pitcher to save my life.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Is this in the same vein as the 4 Chevaliers O’Keefe of old? ‘Cause those guys were a hoot.

    • Chuck Kept Calm and Carey'd On ® says:

      Awesome story. When you consider that he threw 104 mph from a softball mound (usually 45 feet from home plate) that translates the the same reaction time for a batter as a Major League pitcher throwing at 140.5 mph!

      Hab fans want choice! Sign the petition to give us back our games!
      http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds

    • boing007 says:

      After reading his statistics I have come to the conclusion that he was the Best Ever and should be immediately voted into the Baseball Hall of Fame. He should have been inducted years ago when he was still alive.
      Babeball Snobs.

      Richard R

    • D Man says:

      Saw him in the early 60’s in Guelph. They played Guelph of the Intercounty Baseball League. He struck out someone from 2nd base pitching from his knees. Truly amazing.

      You can’t be both a Habs and a Leafs fan

  28. on2ndthought says:

    Along the lines (pun intended) of what CJ was saying about party central in Ottawa a few years back. Eye witness accounts CONFIRM it wasn’t just rich food and alcohol going down, but a certain amount of powdering of noses going on.

    I’ve heard a story about Pat Burns getting wind that Shayne Corson and a couple other guys were out at a bar past curfew. He goes out to the club, sits at a bar nursing a beer, just staring at the table his players occupy. They notice, pay their tab, and leave. Not a single word is exchanged. This is a friend of a friend type story, has the ring of Burns to it.

    “a cannonading drive”

  29. Dust says:

    A question for the people signing this petition to rogers for my own interest.

    If Rogers reads your petition and decides to open a new habs channel that would broadcast every game nation wide. It would cost $20 a month. Would this make you happy?

    • on2ndthought says:

      I think the point is, these games are being carried on RDS anyway. Subscribers to RDS outside Quebec will have these games blacked out (because Rogers is the rights holder). All we want is for RDS to carry said games unless they are on sportsnet. Correct me if I’m wrong Trini.

      “a cannonading drive”

    • frontenac1 says:

      Hola amigo. RDS was doing it for 7 bucks a month for years as part of the “french package”. $20 is a Gouge. But like a dog returns to his vomit, a fool returns to his folly. Yeah, I would probably choke it up.

    • Chuck Kept Calm and Carey'd On ® says:

      I’ve paid $7/month on Cogeco in Southern Ontario to watch every Hab game. And while $20/month would be a big jump, at least I would still have every game. Sure beats paying $7/month to get 20 games on TVA, plus another 13 that will be available on City-TV and Sportsnet, the situation at which I’m currently looking.

      Not Ideal for me, but certainly a compromise.

      Hab fans want choice! Sign the petition to give us back our games!
      http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds

      • Dust says:

        I geuss i’m curious (and the reason i asked the question) is if people are petitioning having to pay more than $7 a month or having to watch habs on multiple channels.
        Because even if you are a hab fan in BC you can watch all the habs games between rogers national package and centre ice or game centre

        • Chuck Kept Calm and Carey'd On ® says:

          A lot of folks already pay a lot of money on their cable bills. Now we’re going to have to pay to get TVA, City-TV and Sportsnet, PLUS another $160 for Centre Ice. It’s a huge cash-grab by Rogers and the NHL. There are a lot of Hab fans for whom that is a big chunk of their entertainment budget.

          Hab fans want choice! Sign the petition to give us back our games!
          http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds

          • Dust says:

            Well, if you want to watch all the habs games and you live outside the montreal region…. that is the price.
            You don’t have to buy TVA at all.
            Imagine, Rogers looking to make money after spending 2 billion on the rights. Why would they do that??

          • twilighthours says:

            You don’t often hear people argue in favour of a telecom.

  30. John Q Public says:

    The HAB Theory.

  31. Ian Cobb says:

    SUMMIT NO NEWS!

    Spoke to the Bell Center on Tuesday, they still do not know if it is an optimum game yet. If it is, they attach a preseason game ticket that we have to purchase. Obviously that does not work for us. I will let everyone know as soon as I hear.

    Ian

    • 24 Cups says:

      It’s quite a stretch to consider Minnesota to be an “optimum experience”. If the Habs jack up the price because of a retirement night, then that tells you all you need to know about Geoff Molson.

      Instead of having optimum nights why doesn’t the league just have bullshit nights whereby they drop the prices for games against teams like Florida, Buffalo and the Islanders. Everybody can just hold their noses when they attend knowing they are savings a few bucks.

      24 Cups

  32. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Dany Heatley.

    Perhaps because of the continuum relationship between professional sports and entertainment, and therefore the whole sacred notion that “the show must go on”, we fans — myself included — often hold players to “professional” expectations to which we would never hold ourselves. Somehow, because their work is public and so over-paid, we allow the word “professional” to make players accountable in absolutely every situation.

    Dany Heatley is possibly a good example. It always sounds like he has issues, of which the stories below are only a snap-shot. Chances are, however, that he has never fully recovered — and maybe never will — from the horrific road accident in which he effectively killed his friend Dan Snyder. You can learn to manage stuff like that, but do you ever actually recover from it? I don’t think so, and it means that the consequences are ongoing.

    Similarly, what Bob Gainey was coping with around the time of the Gomez deal must surely have rendered him a long way beneath competent — as absolutely anyone of us here would have been also. All and whatever he had to do simply to survive the loss of his daughter will most definitely have come at a cost to his ability to function and think as GM. I for one cannot ever hold him to account for that. And no “buts” either: at this stage I could care less that McDonagh is gone. There are many other routes to the Cup. Good luck to Ryan.

    To play in the NHL you have to be an elite athlete. I just don’t think anyone is ever elite at coping with experiences like Heatley’s and Gainey’s. Not even hockey players.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Good afternoon MIKE from across the pond!

    • habstrinifan says:

      Absolutely great post Dunboyne Mike.

      “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

      https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

      • 123456 says:

        Yes very good post. Re Gomez I generally have two thoughts:

        1) Habs did make it to Eastern Finals
        2) If Ryan McD was still in our system I believe it’s likely PK would have been thrown into another deal. Very few team develop and keep 2 stud defensemen coming up at the same time.

        I also believe those that are backward focused are missing one of the greatest aspects of the game and life – looking forward!

    • Cal says:

      I hope that quiets the anti-Bob crowd who harp incessantly on this subject. Well done and 3 CHeers for Dunby! Huzzah!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Agree Mike, Good Morning!

    • hansolo says:

      Maidin mhaith, to ye (it’s morning here across the pond).

      In regards to both Heatley and Gainey, you’re right that personal psychic trauma of the sort they both endured has to show up somehow in how they behave and act. If they were moody or depressed or even angry in their personal behavior, they get a pass from me.

      When it comes to their professions, though, considering they have agents, colleagues, friends and family with whom they should discuss important matters before acting, it’s harder to give them a pass on decisions they might have made.

      Like you, I don’t really lament the McDonagh trade. Another poster has said here there may be a lot of completely unwarranted revisionist history and unfounded nostalgia about McDonagh. So, really, I have no issue with Bob Gainey aside from his naming Pierre Gauthier to succeed him. Bob bled for the Habs as player and captain AND as GM. Bob won a Cup in Dallas with a team he built. So, no issues there at all with his dedication to the Habs or his competence as a GM – aside from “Mr.” Gauthier. Pierre Gauthier was miscast as GM. As GM, he did set the Habs back – think Kaberle trade, firing Martin, hiring Cunneyworth, Josh Gorges contract, the cookie debacle, ad nauseam. He is a good evaluator of talent and has likely found the right fit for himself in Chicago.

      Heatley, on the other hand, screwed Ottawa royally after demanding a trade. Neither in San Jose nor in Minny did he endear himself to teammates or fans, and his performance on the ice certainly wasn’t anything to shout about. He seemed to feel no professional responsibility despite being one of the highest paid players on both teams. This long after the car accident, that attitude is hard to excuse. Athletes know a public persona goes with the territory, and that they do have a responsibility to maintain that. Heatley didn’t.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I’m not sure which post you’re referring to hansolo, but it doesn’t sound like something I’d write about. I touch on the topic of revisionism, but when it comes to the Gomez trade, my take has always been that it was a rushed job, and a sign of incompetence. The Scott Gomez trade barely registered with me at the time, but even then I wasn’t enamoured of the idea of trading away a bunch of prospects for an expensive veteran.

        Un Canadien errant JUNE 30, 2014 AT 11:59 PM

        I was in Montréal, visiting my girlfriend, enjoying Montréal in the summer, the Jazz Fest. I read about this trade in the Gazette and La Presse, hadn’t been following hockey for a while, didn’t know who was who really, just Scott Gomez and Chris Higgins.

        I generally didn’t understand the trade and the issues, but I was wary of the fact that we were taking on an expensive veteran in return for a slew of prospects, that didn’t seem right. And then the next day, when we signed Brian Gionta and Mike Cammalleri, those seemed like big, big contracts, but I trusted Bob Gainey, thought we’d have a fun run-and-gun team, despite this Jaroslav Spacek dude, who I thought was a Sens reject, so how good can he be?

        But I did decide that I should hook up the cable at my house that fall and watch more hockey, so there’s that.

        • hansolo says:

          Sorry, UCE, if I misquoted you. I actually meant to cast you in a positive light as bringing some reason to the impassioned comments that are sometimes made about McDonagh. I originally didn’t mention you, but edited it because I wanted to give proper attribution. It was obviously someone else’s post I was referring to, I just can’t remember whose. I’ll amend my post. No offence meant.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            None taken at all, I know I read posts sometimes that I want to refer to later and can’t remember who it was from, it frustrates me sometimes. I brought it to your attention to keep the record straight, but inferred no offence or ill-will.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Speaking quite cautiously though, the single vehicle collision he caused through his reckless driving has been seen by observers of the Dany Heatley situation not as a precursor or a cause of his problems, but as one of the symptoms. Simply, Dany Heatley was a bit of a jerk before the crash, and still is after the crash.

      Just as a suggestion, we shouldn’t call what he went through an ‘accident’, it was anything but. There was no happenstance, divine intervention there. He went too fast while under the influence of alcohol and crashed his vehicle. It wasn’t accidental. He may have not meant to kill his friend, but that’s where the recklessness angle comes in. He plead guilty to vehicular homicide.

      We at our workplace don’t speak of traffic accidents or road accidents. They are so overwhelmingly due to driver error, inattention or recklessness, that we refer to them as MVI’s, for ‘motor vehicle incidents’, or collisions, or crashes.

      This removes the mindset that it was ‘accidental’, that no one is to blame, it’s just a horrible coincidence. In fact, if the driver(s) had slowed down, had put down the phone and stopped texting, if they hadn’t tried to pass in that location, but waited for a passing lane, if they hadn’t fallen asleep, there wouldn’t have been a collision. They are invariably driver-caused.

      Very rarely, a rock falls of a cliff and crashes into a car. That’s an accident. Very few MVI’s are. And Daniel Snyder wasn’t killed in an accident.

      • hansolo says:

        According to the Oxford English Dictionary, Dunboyne’s usage is permissible:
        ACCIDENT

        1.1A crash involving road or other vehicles, typically one that causes serious damage or injury:
        ‘four people were killed in a car accident’

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          And what I’m proposing is something we’ve accomplished at my workplace, which is to stop referring to accidents as such, it’s a misnomer and connotes wrongly on the situation. Drivers don’t get into accidents, they crash their cars, they collide them.

          It’s just coming to me, but remember when as teenagers who were just starting to date, we were deathly afraid of ‘an accident’? And really, how much of an accident would it really have been, rather than just pushing our luck, and putting off worrying about the consequences?

  33. 24 Cups says:

    Much has been made about the Hab realignment of it’s D and the trading of Gorges to bring in Gilbert (Franson). I’m of the opinion that the process may not yet be complete.

    Let’s take a look at the next three years realizing it’s all conjecture on our part. The LD is going to be based on Emelin, Beaulieu and at least two years of Markov. That basically means Tinordi’s path is blocked.

    The RD will be Subban and hopefully two years of Tom Gilbert, maybe three. That leaves Mike Weaver. Weaver is certainly a solid citizen but talent wise he is basically a 6th-7th defenseman who is getting a bit long in the tooth. He’s a stop gap solution for the present moment. The two hopefuls are Pateryn and Nygren. This could be a make it or break it training camp for both of them as they compete for the last open spot on the defense. Of course, Tinordi will also be in the mix for the 7th roster spot playing on the left side.

    Let’s say that one of Pateryn or Nygren can fill the role. That means that Tinordi goes back to Hamilton for one more year. I would have him play exclusively on the right side. Let him adapt and gain tons of experience. Then he can challenge for the 3rd pairing RD spot in 2015 and possibly be a long term solution. The bonus being that the team would have a large, tough Dman who could play both sides of the ice.

    It would be a great use of asset management and hopefully negate the need to sign a high priced UFA in a few years to fill the right side.

    24 Cups

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      I like your assessment of roles players are likely to fall under.. I agree with everything you said except Tinordi moving to the right.

      I think the top 4 LHD will make for great competition between NB and Tinordi, also there will be injuries during the next few years.

      Rather than saying that Tinordi is “blocked” think of it as the Habs having promising depth and intense competition on left defence.

      I agree that we are a little thin on RD, I will saw that I think Weaver is essentially a RHD Gorges for 1/4 of the salary and is better than you give him credit for. Sure he is a 6th D, but also our #1 PK D.

      No matter what the team does, we lack all star talent up front, after Patch I do not think the Habs have a forward in the top 60 in the NHL (Kings have 3 in Gaborik, Carter, Kopitar… Hawks 3 in Toews Kane and Hossa)

      Top end talent is the major issue keeping the Habs from being championship contenders. Add Joe Thornton ASAP and a scoring winger (ala Vanek or Gaborik 2014) at trade Deadline and the Habs are Eastern Favourites.

      ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

    • Paz says:

      I have not seen enough of Patteryn to make a good judgement of his skills. He certainly stepped up his game last year in Hamilton and I think he deserves a good long look. He is 24, not a kid at all.

      • Phil C says:

        I haven’t seen a lot of him, but I did watch him in a pre-season game last year from a rink side seat. The biggest problem he had was with his first pass and with the puck in his own end. He kept holding on to the puck too long and either losing it or making a poor pass. If he learns how to act and decide quicker, the rest of his game looked not bad. Unfortunately, that is a pretty important skill in the NHL.

        • Paz says:

          Holding the puck too long may just be a temporary issue that could be corrected over time. Sometimes 10 games at the NHL level could be enough.

          Making poor passes is a problem.

          • Phil C says:

            I agree in some cases that more exposure to the NHL speed will help improve the player. In other cases, the player is just too slow to process the information which leads to the poor pass. I’m sure without pressure, he can put it on the tape every time. Under pressure, having to make decisions in real time is a completely different story. I hope he can over come it as the rest of his game is not bad, but that is a fatal flaw in the NHL. I thought his biggest problem was taking too long to decide. It was in sharp contrast to Beaulieu who was getting to pucks very quickly and moving it almost immediately, so he already knew what he was going to do with the puck before he got there. If he waits another second, that pass is no longer there as the defenders close the lanes, and then he has less options, which was what Pateryn was having trouble with. The slow decision making made the task of a first pass harder, which led to more indecision and subsequent coughing up of the puck.

      • 24 Cups says:

        You have to think it’s now or never for Nygren and Pateryn. Especially when you consider their experience. Would it really be the end of the world to have a rookie as the 7th D? Tinordi doesn’t have to pass waivers so he can be the ultimate yo-yo depth guy behind the winner of the Nygren/Pateryn battle.

        Of course this will be all for not if MT brings back Bouillon.

        24 Cups

        • Paz says:

          Nygren is done here.

          • 24 Cups says:

            Maybe we should trade him to Anaheim for a 5th round pick with the proviso that he plays more than 15 games in the NHL this year:)

            24 Cups

          • Paz says:

            That’s funny!

            What’s not so funny is I believe he has potential and we will never see it.
            100 mph on a slap shot from the point is a nice weapon we could use.
            Right handed shot
            Selected best dman in Swedish league

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        100 mi/hr slapshots don’t come around very often. And his end up on net, not in the glass like Gaston Gingras, or Season 2 of the Pernell Karl Chronicles.

        I wouldn’t write off Mr. Nygren quite yet.

  34. 24 Cups says:

    I think it was quite inevitable that Chicago would have to spend huge coin on their two young stars. Now the team will find itself boxed in just like Pittsburgh. What to do? If I’m Stan Bowman, I would trade Patrick Kane next year. Find a team that needs to build around a star player, structure the trade that benefits both sides in the long term and move on with Toews as the heart and soul of the franchise.

    Pittsburgh waited too long and now are living in cap hell. Chicago has to be brave enough to make a move right now so as to reap the benefits down the road.

    24 Cups

    • franco says:

      Do not understand what you are saying (24 cups).

      Chicago is keeping it premier players happy. The cap will be going up to about 75 million dollars.

      Why is the cap going up to 75 million dollars you might ask?

      Because the Rogers deal is worth 21 million dollars to each team.

      Half of that goes to the players, so they are being rewarded.

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      Perfect move by the Hawks… People get too caught up in cap hit among stars.. It’s the pluggers that kill teams… Who would you rather, Toews and Dale Weiss (combined 12 million) or Phaneuf and Clarkson? Gionta and Vanek?

      The difference between a 3 million dollar player and a 6 is insignificant.. The 3 – 6 range is what kills teams not them 7+ deals!to superstars.

      ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

      • Chris says:

        I disagree. The top two salaries are important in that they dictate how many of the $4-6 million players you can add.

        The consensus seems to be that Chicago won Stanley Cups because of Toews and Kane. While those two players are unquestionably important, I think you can make a stronger case for the talent they had surrounding their stars. Patrick Sharp, Marian Hossa, and Duncan Keith would all be the best player on about 20 other NHL teams. Brent Seabrook is also a very good defenceman.

        Each time the Blackhawks won a Stanley Cup, they were forced to lose key role players due to salary cap concerns: Byfuglien, Ladd, Versteeg and Huet in 2010; Bolland, Frolik and Stalberg in 2013.

        When you tie up too much cap in a 2 or 3 players, as the Blackhawks have now done, you hamstring your ability to put together that solid supporting cast. This puts huge pressure on your scouting department to continue churning out top-notch prospects while drafting in the 20’s, which is a very tall order for most teams.

        The salary cap will certainly go up. The Canadian dollar is rebounding, and the TV deal will kick in some money (although 50% of that is already accounted for in this year’s cap). The players wanted to avoid escrow costs, which they ended up having to pay out for 2012-13 and may have to pay out for 2013-14.

        On the long-term, these deals probably won’t be too bad. But for the first 2-3 years, they will collectively eat up about 1/4 of the cap, which is a very high number.

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          I think you may have had a little typo there.
          Niemi instead of Huet?

          As for the tv deal, the players voted and decided NOT to include all of that in next year’s HRR for some escrow purposes which really hurt the small guy.
          Surprisingly, that was their CBA right to do so

          • Chris says:

            Should have had Niemi as well…Huet was buried in Europe to avoid losing even more due to salary problems.

        • Ozmodiar says:

          Each time the Blackhawks won a Stanley Cup, they were forced to lose key role players due to salary cap concerns: Byfuglien, Ladd, Versteeg and Huet in 2010; Bolland, Frolik and Stalberg in 2013.

          Considering they went on to win another cup in 2013 (and almost another this year), I guess they showed that losing “key” players isn’t a problem as long as you keep your stars.

          It’s not the big contracts to star players that hurts teams, it’s the bad contracts like, well, just look at the Leafs…

          I think you can make a stronger case for the talent they had surrounding their stars

          If I were to make a case for Toews and Kane playing a bigger part in the Cup wins, I’d start with the 2 Conn Smythe trophies. :)

          • Chris says:

            Oz: Correct: but all of this was done because they could afford to pay other key guys to replace the ones they lost, as Kane and Toews were on incredibly cap-friendly deals.

            That is no longer the case. Both guys are seeing their cap hit increase by $5.2 million after this coming season. That is the loss of Marian Hossa and Patrick Sharp right there.

            You can contend with Kane, Toews, Keith and Seabrook. But you better pray you don’t get an injury to any of those guys, because your depth is going to be much reduced now.

        • 24 Cups says:

          Can the Hawks win the Cup in the next few years if they have to sell off players such as Sharp and Hjalmarsson?

          I can see a Kane trade with teams such as Buffalo, Florida and the Isles that could be mutually beneficial.

          A final point. If it wasn’t for the fact that Kane and Toews are kissing’ cousins, would Kane really be worth 10.5M? Is he not riding on Toews’ coattails to a certain degree?

          24 Cups

          • DipsyDoodler says:

            Yes. They sold off a slew of important players after their first win and still won the cup again three years later. With Toews, Kane and Keith, and sound management, they will be contenders for a while.

            —–
            Moving. Forward.

  35. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning. In a hockey withdrawal like state I watched a couple 24CH episodes yesterday. I couldn’t help but be directed to Gorges and Gionta and think how the leadership makeup of this team will change this season.

    I’ve never been a huge fan of Gorges or Gionta (as a Hab captain) so I’m not disappointed. But this is a lot more then changing a couple roster positions. Obviously, or hopefully, Bergevin and his men have developed a plan and have ideas on who/what/when the new leaders will be.

    The talk on the new captain on HIO and the results of the poll are interesting and time will tell who is given letters but I have to believe that with players such as Prust, Gallagher, PK, Price, Markov, Pleks and potential leaders in Galchenyuk, Tinordi, and Bournival, the transition to a new leadership team will be an easy one.

    I’ve always been a believer that the giving of letters was more of a ceremonial one. I find it hard to believe that Gorges had more influence on his teammates because of the letter he wore or that PK or Price had less because of their lack of. The players will almost always gravitate to the “real” leaders of a team and in this case its pretty hard to argue against Price being that person even without the “C” on his sweater.

    For the next decade or so, the leadership core group will be centered around Price.

    • Harditya says:

      Solid point. When I think of the “real” leader of this team, it’s undisputedly Carey Price. It’s either him with P.K. and Gally not being that far behind. That doesn’t necessarily mean they will or should be the captain. I am assuming that the next captain will be Markov.

    • Cal says:

      Well argued, Jim. I will disagree with you a little. Like I have been saying for, oh, the last week or so, PK is the man. I think Price’s knee, if it continually is in a state of needing repair, will likely shorten his career. That is not to say he won’t be a good leader.
      The rest of the vets are either not talented enough or too banged up or simply don’t want the ceremonial job.
      I hope the Habs management team doesn’t come up with the system of revolving As with no chosen captain, as it will become yet another media distraction the Habs don’t need.

    • JohnBellyful says:

      Good morning, Jim.
      What you say is true, players don’t need a letter to be a leader. But every Canadien already has a C on his jersey, as part of the crest, which he wears with pride. It stands for something: tradition, excellence, honour.
      It could also stand for many other things, as exemplified by each player, for example:
      Courageous – Pacioretty
      Calm – Price
      Cagey – Markov
      Combative – Prust
      Creative – Desharnais
      Charismatic – Subban
      Clever – Plekanec
      Capable – Weaver
      Competent – Weise
      Crushing – Emelin
      Challenging – Bourque
      Cricket, Jiminy – Gallagher
      … speaking of which, Pinocchio is dead, at age 87

    • BriPro says:

      Were you the first one on here this morning, Jim?
      Going through withdrawals, are we?
      Under the category of “rubbing it in”, tomorrow is Joel’s last day of daycare. He’ll be with us in Cape Cod with us after that, then comes kindergarten.
      So tomorrow, after driving him, I think I’m going to head over to the Habs practice facility and watch the kids scrimmage.
      Have a great day buddy!

  36. CJ says:

    Yankees win! Good night folks.

  37. CJ says:

    My wife has rounds at the hospital this evening, so I’ve got to get up with the boys in the morning, yet here I sit, clinging to what little hope the Yankees have in extra innings – they’ve burned through every twirler on the roster. This game should have ended two hours ago. I’m hopeless…..

    Kind of reminds me of the Habs west coast swing this year. There were a number of us who held in for every game blog. The passion that unites us all I guess. That, or it’s a sign of some internal wiring malfunction…..

  38. THE ABSOLUTE_TRUTH says:

    Like MB keeps preaching, I want to make the playoffs that’s our goal he knows it’s where the money is and you don’t have to spend a lot to get there. if the cheap young talent can win a cup great if not we gotta keep making the playoffs, keep the fans happy and make a little money and if you think that’s wrong, you haven’t been following hockey. it takes years to win a cup and lots of money to buy talent. Only established teams win cups, like LA, Chicago and Boston, the rest keep trying.

    • Phil C says:

      MB manages to build a playoff team each year without over paying for UFAs, while still keeping most of his draft picks and picking up free agents like Sekac. So I would say the Habs have been doing a good job of building for now and the future.

    • franco says:

      Actually, Bergevin is saying the only thing he can say.

      What else can he say but ‘we are going to try and make the playoffs’

      This keeps the fans expectations lower, he cannot say, for example ‘ we will win the cup’.

      He would never hear the end of it, ‘he promised us a cup’ would be the cry. Making the playoffs is the safe thing to say. If you go further …….great.

      Canadiens have made great strides and are closer then you may think.

  39. Habitant in Surrey says:

    With all the big, strong studs We’ve got knocking on the door, and at quarter the price, I have a feeling Travis Moen’s days are numbered.

  40. Habitant in Surrey says:

    #RogersPetition just hit 1, 500

    …1, 506 to be exact

    3/4s to 2, 000 signatures

    Latest 10

    Brent Loehndorf
    just now

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    ____________________________________________________

    Petition To Protest Roger’s Blacking Out Of Habs’ Games On RDS West Of Quebec

    Read and sign at; http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds

    • franco says:

      Rogers will be IMPRESSED!

      They are probably having panic meetings as we speak.

      Forget recouping the 5 billion dollars, through clever marketing and cable packaging. The fans have caught on and there is a petition with 3 milllion names on it protesting……oh wait there is a couple of thousand names……giggle.

  41. ProHabs says:

    Hey CJ you got to share your Healtey story. I can’t make the summit and I want to hear it, it sounds like a doozy.

    • CJ says:

      The best I can do is the cole’s notes version to protect the identity of the parties involved.

      So, a friend decided to treat his immediate family to a vacation in pebble beach, including golf. It was a once in a lifetime thing. The pictures I’ve seen are stunning. The host knew Heatley from his time in Ottawa, so he rang him when they arrived. Heatley, who was in the playoffs with the Sharks at the time, invited the entire family over for dinner. Keep in mind, this is on an off night between games. My friend told me Heater hammered four buggers and drank a box of beer. He had absolutely zero capacity for self restraint. The next night they went to the game and watched him play. I understand that the whole episode was one big sh#t show.

      In my younger years I used to see him out around town. Let’s just say his reputation proceeded him. We talk about Sergi and Andre, but these guys had nothing on McGratton, Emery, Redden and Heatley.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Good thing you weren’t GM of 70’s Habs or 80’s Oilers, some of the best players on those teams get traded.

        I’m no fan of Heatley, but these stories exist on every team in pro sports I suspect.

        • Phil C says:

          Young, athletic, full of testosterone, and with more money than they could spend in a lifetime, it’s a wonder most of them are as good as they are!

          • CJ says:

            Ever read any of the Rocket Ismail stories? He had the money spent before he even earned it. It’s unreal to think how quickly some guys can dispense of a fortune. Sports Illustrated had a great article about two years ago highlighting some of the biggest financial busts in sports.

          • Phil C says:

            I haven’t read about the rocket, but I did read recently about how Iverson is broke. Truly shocking how some people burn through cash when it comes too easily.

          • CJ says:

            Agreed. I wasn’t aware of AI, but I should have guessed when I read recently that he was trying to make a comeback. I still remember Iverson and Victor Page in the backcourt at Georgetown. The original Big East. Gosh, now I’m nostalgic….

        • CJ says:

          I do appreciate that. My story is so watered down, it’s but a mere fraction of the original. The game, on and off ice has changed considerably. Reporters used to protect players (per Phil Esposito’s book – just one example). There is so much scrutiny now, nothing escapes social media.

          The other underlying issue is what’s going on in Ottawa? Is there another team in the NHL where “star” players have asked to be traded out of town as often in the past ten years? Heatley, Alfie, Spezza….

      • franco says:

        Gossip is never nice.

  42. Strummer says:

    Gainey trades Ryan McDonagh- we’ve beaten that horse to death on this site.

    How about Chiarelli trading Seguin as a salary dump?

    To me that’s a much bigger blunder.

    ____________________________________________________
    “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

    • ProHabs says:

      Both trades were bad but Gainey’s was alot worst.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Boston has Eriksson and Smith who are both decent top nine forwards. They also received Joe Morrow who may or may not become a regular NHL Dman. Not a great return but not bad.

      As for Montreal, they got SFA after just two seasons.

      Let’s face it, the McDonagh deal is the worst Hab transaction since the Roy debacle twenty years ago. Gainey and Gauthier were totally out to lunch on the entire process from beginning to end. Sather came into the deal looking to find a sucker who would take an albatross off his payroll. To his disbelief he not only dumped Gomez but got a stud Dman in return.

      No amount of rationalization or hindsight will change the fact that Gainey totally screwed up, big time.

      24 Cups

      • Cal says:

        Worse than the Roy trade to my mind is the Desjardins and LeClair trade for Dr. Recchi. That one rates as one of the worst trades all time.

        • PK says:

          +1

          These examples are all bad ….

          >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
          _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

          “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

          – Nostradamus, 1552

      • ProHabs says:

        Yup, I’m sure Sather couldn’t believe what he was hearing. Gainey also screwed up royally by letting about 10 guys leave via free agency that summer. Way to many guys to lose in one off season. He lost many assets for nothing and was desperate to find any talent anywhere.

        • Garbo says:

          At least we got a great 100 year celebration, barbershop pole unis and all.

        • Cal says:

          Gainey’s problem was that he still had faith in the Koivu/Kovalev led Habs. He went to the playoffs with them and they were mangled. He let them all go, but he should have moved them all at the trade deadline. Isn’t 20/20 hindsight great?

      • PK says:

        That Gainey-Gomez -McDonagh trio will haunt us Habs fans for life.
        So will the loss of Chelios, Roy.

        Must think that other sports franchises/teams have disasters
        (Don’t ask me for examples, dunno without googling).

        All I can say is that if McDonagh does not win a Stanley Cup then, for me, the Gomez trade will hurt a lot less.

        >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
        _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

        “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

        – Nostradamus, 1552

    • Garbo says:

      There’s no horse too dead for a good beating.

    • CJ says:

      I hate to say this, but I’d have to look long and hard to find such a one sided deal as Gomez for Higgins and McDonough (primary pieces). The Boston deal is the equivalent of a candle compared to the sun. In other words, not even close.

    • jon514 says:

      It’s kinda like the holocaust. We can’t stop talking about it, lest we forget…

  43. Strummer says:

    Hawks are looking forward to the salary cap going up next (2015-16) season. They are over the cap for this coming season though.

    I’m assuming with the Rogers money starting to roll in for the 2014-15 season with its boost in HRR you will see a lot of deals structured to kick in next season as well.

    ____________________________________________________
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  44. Omit says:

    So Patrick Kane gets $10.5 million per for 8 years.

    Not too shabby for a player who never scored more than 30 goals in a season.

    Max Pax, eat your heart out.

    “Time wounds all heels”. – J.L.

  45. on2ndthought says:

    HabFab: thanks for the Bozon update. great to see him being the young stud. it’ll be even nicer if he gets back on the depth chart!!

    “a cannonading drive”

  46. 24 Cups says:

    Hockey is a form of entertainment just like other major league sports, television, movies and the music industry. To say that any of the performers should take less than market value is ludicrous. Toews and Kane are just the tip of the iceberg in terms of the new NHL CBA. Stamkos is next and there are many more just around the corner including our own PK.

    24 Cups

    • kerrgte says:

      no it’s not.

      there is a cap ceiling that dictates the success of the team going forward. So, as these two gobble up the cap, they diminish the team’s chances of getting other stars.

      Thanks a lot boys

      • 24 Cups says:

        If you don’t think hockey is a form of 21st century entertainment then the discussion is over. We can just agree to disagree.

        As for the success of the cap, teams such as Boston, LA and Chicago prove both our points. All types of entertainment have some indirect form of financial caps. Some ventures turn out to be Avatar while others turn out to be the Islanders.

        24 Cups

        • kerrgte says:

          Yes, it’s an entertainment.

          But pure entertainment, such as the movies, has no such fixed budgetary, artificial ceiling such as a cap to restrain its success. In the NHL, one cannot accidentally exceed the cap.

          These players are taking almost 30% of their team’s salary. Doesn’t leave much for a star goalie, a star defenseman, nor does it leave management with much latitude to plan for the future.

          Mgt of the finite salary cap ultimately determines the success of the team.

          So, why don’t the players assume some responsibility for the team’s future, as implicit in cap management while still taking a handsome pay check, as their ultimate success depends on it ?

          • Cal says:

            Their agent’s view of ultimate success has just been achieved. The pair has 2 Cups. Now, they’re going for the gold.

          • 24 Cups says:

            kerrgte – Your point is certainly valid. However, I can hardly think of many players who have ever done that in the past 15 years. Maybe Brodeur in Jersey.

            As for Chicago, they might be hoping for a cap of 75M in 15-16 and maybe 80M in 16-17. If so, then the new contracts indirectly become around 7.5-8.0M moving forward for the next six remaining years. That must be what the Hawks are banking on as I’m sure they would have some decent inside info on future cap projections.

            24 Cups

        • kerrgte says:

          Think of it !!

          A core group of x star players agree to take a home team discount. Put yourself in their place ” Yes, I’m in. If all of us take a $x million home discount, then that’ll enable our team to go out and sign another super player like us. Let’s build a perennial contender”

          Again, when a player has received tens of millions of $, there comes a point when the player, if half way committed to his team, says “Let’s make this team better”

          Law number 1: A successful team is built thru smart cap mgt

  47. habstrinifan says:

    Huge salaries for Toews and Kane. I have no real problems with. It’s the way of the sporting world. Every sport sees outlandish monies given to its top performers.

    Speaking about huge salariesthough… I am not really informed on basketball except for a casual interest. So someone knowledgeable could correct me.

    Why is Carmello geting such top dollar(supposedly). He has a very limited usefulness on the court or in the marketability of his team.

    Or am I missing something.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

    https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

    • Mr. Biter says:

      Kobe is making $23.5M per season and he’s not the highest paid BB player. BB players are way over paid. Went to a Timberwolves game a few years back (row 3 seats behind baskets courtesy of a customer) and there was no effort from players on either team to play D on a fast break or 2-1. Guys making Millions walking back. Haven’t watched Pro BB since. Still love NCAA BB where they play their hearts out for their school.

      Mr. Biter
      No Guts No Glory

  48. DipsyDoodler says:

    The reason the Pens haven’t won the cup lately isn’t Malkin and Crosby’s cap hits. Nor is it the lack of a supporting cast (they have a pretty good supporting cast). It’s partly Fleury’s psychological problem, and partly that it’s hard to win the cup.

    Since 2010-11 the Pens have never finished lower than 2nd in their conference. They’ve made the playoffs every year Malkin and Crosby have been playing.

    I’d take Crosby and Malkin and their cap hit on my team.

    —–
    Moving. Forward.

    • CJ says:

      With all due respect, their supporting cast let them down. Crosby was hurt and ineffective. In his absence, nobody was able to step up – James Neal specifically. IMO, Montreal enjoyed great success because guys like Weise, Eller, Bourque all elevated their games.

      Your points otherwise are spot on. Fleury is not a big game goalie, although he was not to blame against the Rangers. Lastly, it is difficult to win the Cup.

  49. 24 Cups says:

    “Dany Heatley was once traded for a package that included Jonathan Cheechoo. Five years later, he’s basically become him.” (Puck Daddy)

    24 Cups

  50. THE ABSOLUTE_TRUTH says:

    They Hawks have a good team they’re still a cup contender, but unless they have some luck along the way, they won’t be able to afford to get any better for awhile.

  51. kerrgte says:

    As i see these players take this amount of cash from their benefactors, I re-evaluate my love of the game as it is presented to us

    Wouldn’t it be refreshing, inspirational, thought-provoking, if a player intervened in this crude negotiation process and said “Stop. I’m a hockey player. I love the game. I love my team and I am grateful for what I’m given and what I’m able to give. I owe a lot to the organization that believed in me to draft me, and I want to pay them back for the wonderful opportunities that the’ve given me. I want to contribute to the continued success of the team. Here’s how I’ll do it. I know – if I dont intervene my agent will take every last $million he can get. So, I’ll ask my agent to get a reasonable amount, and not break the bank, because I want to be part of a successful team, not just the possessor of a ridiculously high bank balance that I’ll never spend in my lifetime. I realize that if I take all the cap space, then mgt cant improve the team. I love my team”

    Any player that hasn’t that attitude loses my support.

    Sorry, it’s the game we grew up playing and loving.

    I can no longer support the NHL as it becomes the greed show that toews and kane are making it into

    • franco says:

      The name of the game is get what the market will bear. The NHL is making billions and the star players will and do get their share.

      You cannot live in a make believe world, where players play for the love of the game. They would be idiots if they did not take all the compensation that is rightfully theirs.

      Just like the owner will not lower ticket prices or merchandise prices or beer prices. The old supply and demand…you want it, there is a demand so you pay. If there is a huge demand then prices will continue to go up until they reach the saturation point.

      If you have the talent and the demand is there, and your type of talent is in short supply then you get the money.

      • kerrgte says:

        the theoretical law of supply and demand model you contend is inapplicable because the cap has a ceiling. It will rise with the rate of inflation plus 5-10%. In any ideal S and D model, there is no S ceiling .

        This all out going for the gold idea cannot work indefiintely.

        • franco says:

          there is not a limitless supply of talent, especially high end talent. So the fans demand a winning team and the teams pay the best talent they can get top dollar.

          The supply is limited and the demand is great…..simple.

          • kerrgte says:

            Now that Toews and Kane have taken so much, do you think the team has the cap space to resign Sharpe?

            Likely not.

            Why? Because, the supply $ have been largely taken.

            If you were playing for Chicago, wouldn’t you be a little miffed in knowing that 2 of the 23 member team, about 10%, were making almost 30% of the $ ?

            Forget the player supply and demand model. The currency in circulation is $ only.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      The money that doesn’t go to the players goes to the owners.

      And all of the money comes from fans who want to see the players.

      —–
      Moving. Forward.

      • kerrgte says:

        so what ?

        the team is given a cap ceiling. Do you think a single player should take such a high a percentage of the cap that it will disable the team going forward?

        There is the law of marginal utilityy ? Put things into perspective. Who can spend $7 million, or $8 million or $9 million in 12 months? Exactly, at what point does a quantity of money become enough or even too much ?

        When does a player say “Stop this crude negotiation process. I want to help my team, and therefore myself into the future. I want to be paid handsomely, but not to the point of ruining my team going forward.”

        • franco says:

          The players will go to the highest bidder. If an owner wants the player he will pay and sacrafice in other area’s. He might have a weaker goaly or weaker defense. This helps the league to stay balanced.

          Genius system, with its own checks and balances.

          Players says you want my services then pay. Owner either accepts or rejects this player. Just a business transaction.

        • franco says:

          Nobody spends the money they make in a year, they put it in tax shelters and when they are 35 or 40 they will have 75 million dollars for the rest of their lives.

          They will then live the life of the rich and famous, travel the world and never worry about money again.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Take a look at your cable/Internet/TV bill… and let me know what valid reason they can offer for their exhorbitant charges and frequent rate increases…. other than the theory “what the market will bear”.

      “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

      https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      Every player who signs with there current team instead of waiting for free agency has done essentially that to a degree. There is no reason at all for them not to take what they can, if they don’t the owners will, so may as well spread it around.

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      If your boss offered you a $100,000 raise tomorrow, would you say “No, I don’t want it, give it to someone else”?

  52. marlboro says:

    Didn’t People said the same thing about Kovalev? He woke up for 4 and half years in Mtl. Just saying that the reward out weighs the risk. If he get 10 goals in today’s nhl he’s worth the million.

  53. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    I know Toews and Kane are good players but 10.5 million for each??? The salary cap can’t be going up that much. I suspected it would get bad when King Henrik got 8.5 million but this is crazy. And posters here are saying PK will get less than 8 million…LOL.

  54. marlboro says:

    Can people honestly say, Heatly for a year at a million isn’t worth the risk. I get some people may not like him. Or think he’s lazy, or has “Character flaws” But a MILLION! One year!! No brainer IMO.

    • CJ says:

      I’d be willing to bet that he ends up a healthy scratch 25%-50% of the time. I really don’t see him making the top six and he can’t play bottom six. He’s insurance, nothing more.

      It’s funny, hockey, probably more than any other sport, recycles talent. It’s not just players either; I’d include coaches and members of hockey operations. Teams think they can squeeze more out of the lemon, or assume things will be different inside their organization. With very few expections, they are almost always disappointed.

      Anaheim is a very good team, full of young talent. How Heatley augments that talent I really don’t know….

    • THE ABSOLUTE_TRUTH says:

      What is a 15-Goal player worth today, that’s the Question MB would have to put out there.

    • Omit says:

      Marlboro

      He got, and accepted, a low offer because every other GM couldn’t be bothered.

      Heatley is past his due date.

      “Time wounds all heels”. – J.L.

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      The only issue I have with that is that I this point I want to see the team get younger. I would rather rotate kids (Sekac, De la Rose etc) in and out for experience than have an older player take his spot.

  55. Frozen Village says:

    Big thanks to Trini, Mark, D-Mike, CJ, and TWI for their Ottawa welcome, cheers.

    More Swedes for the Lions in Winter

  56. Habitant in Surrey says:

    The cap is not preventing ‘the market’ setting the values of player’s contracts,except at the bottom of the food chain, and some of the middling players.

    I can see rich teams like Chicago, the Rangers, the Penguins, the Canadiens, da Weeds, da beans et al demanding the end to the cap, or alternatively restricting contract lengths to 5 years and maximums on the dollars.

    Seems like a no-win situation for NHL teams and the league itself.

    • CJ says:

      Agreed. This is why we will need to make a move on Moen. Trade (retain salary), demote, waive – anything to lessen the cost.

    • franco says:

      The rich teams will NOT demand the end of the cap. If the fans get upset, all they have to say is spend to the cap. It takes them off the hook. When you reach the cap, thats all you can do.

      Otherwise people would say give Subban 20 million a year for 12 years, the owner would be under pressure to sign him. Now all the owner has to do is point to the cap…..perfect situation.

  57. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Like a medieval knight (call Me Sir Shootsalot :) ) I have been crusading for Our Montreal Canadiens to retire Toe Blake’s number 6 …and add His banner in the rafters next to Our other former Greats.

    Some of You may believe Toe was only a Great Coach, and as a Player, did not quite rate such an honour …and/or, do not want yet another low-number retired and unavailable to contemporary Players.

    …maybe unaware Toe Blake also was a great hockey Player, won a NHL scoring championship, the Hart Trophy and the Lady Byng, …and led Our Habs in scoring for 6 seasons of His Hall Of Fame playing career.

    Hector ‘Toe’ Blake was a key component with The Rocket and Elmer Lach on ‘The Punch Line’, which was the most feared scoring line of it’s day.

    Most younger Fans understandably remember Toe Blake mainly as the genius Coach of the Montreal Canadiens at the cusp of Our Golden Era …the Golden Era that most of Us, whether We know it or not, were inspired to follow Our Habs as if it was ‘a religion’ unto It’s own.

    Toe Blake’s name is on 11 rings of the Stanley Cup; …8 as Our Coach, …2 as a Player for the Montreal Canadiens …and one as a Montreal Maroon.

    Toe Blake was the ‘heart and soul’ motivator Whom inspired and ‘showed the way’ to Our great Players of the time, both as a Player and Our Captain (3 Stanley Cups), …and as Our Coach (8 Stanley Cups).

    His Legacy is greatly taken for granted by the Montreal Canadiens and it’s great Fans, I strongly believe, by the fact that Toe Blake’s number 6 is not represented yet in the rafters of the Bell Centre.

    The TOTALITY of Toe Blake’s legacy and contributions to the Montreal Canadiens, as a Player and Our Coach, to it’s History and exceptional success, becoming the most famous brand in the hockey world, is way embarrassingly past the overdue stage.

    I request all Montreal Canadiens Fans to join with Ian Cobb and I to right an outstanding wrong and oversight.

    We would like to encourage all Montreal Canadiens Fans whom agree with the objective to make Their opinions known to Mr. Geoff Molson and the Montreal Canadiens’ executive board, …that a special game night to honour Toe Blake’s number 6 with a banner in the Bell Centre is long-overdue and should be held at the soonest opportunity.

    If this is something You would like to make right, as I and Ian do, I provide the following mail contacts to send Your requests to ‘Campaign To Retire Hector ‘Toe’ Blake’s Number 6 !!!’

    Geoff Molson: President and Owner

    Kevin Gilmore: Vice President of Operations

    Send your testimonial to:

    c/o The Montreal Canadiens

    1909, avenue des Canadiens-de-Montréal
    Montreal, QC, CANADA
    H3C 5L2

    …merci beaucoup :)

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    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

    Campaign to Retire Toe Blake’s Number 6 !!!

    Bring Back Boone, and send Hickey to Hamilton !!!

    …and, last, but not least:

    Mike Boone MARCH 25, 2014 AT 7:54 AM
    Finding every way to stir up sh.. is pretty much my job description.

    Mike Boone
    Hockey Inside/Out blogger

    For all HIO members: this is Scott Moore’s Twitter account link; https://twitter.com/MooreScottmoore

    Scott Moore is President of Sportsnet and NHL Hockey for Rogers.

    Any of You with a Twitter account, give him Your opinion of the Roger’s television access for Our Montreal Canadiens

    While You’re at it, provide him the link to Our petition page so he can sign it :)
    Likely what the NHL will have to soon deal with is the contracts of it’s players are set by supply and demand,the market.

    Yet the cap seems only to suppress the contracts of middling and filler players in check,and that only to a small degree. The stars and super-stars still through the RFA and Free Agency still get the dollars set by ‘the market’.

    I foresee the richer teams like the Blackhawks, Penguins Toronto, Montreal, New York et al demanding the end of the cap.

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  58. HabFab says:

    130 days ago he was being induced into a coma and now he is pumping iron… hope the kid makes it;
    https://twitter.com/timbozon94/status/486813156342505472/photo/1

    • CJ says:

      Thank you for sharing. So many people, myself included, are pulling for Tim. I can’t wait to see him at training camp. What an inspiration!

  59. Habitant in Surrey says:

    If You think the challenge for Bergevin of trying to find the right number for P.K. under the current cap, can You imagine His quandary if We had not given Ryan McDonaugh away to New York ?

    Both 25, the same age. Both ‘franchise defencemen’.

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    Read and sign at; http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds

  60. Chris says:

    Well, matching $10.5 million deals for Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews signals the end of the Blackhawks as a potential dynasty. They will continue to contend, but there is no way that they can afford the kind of supporting cast that they enjoyed as they won a pair of Stanley Cups in the past 5 years.

    The cap will undoubtedly go up, but it would have to go up to $78 million to make those deals competitive to what the Penguins dealt with this past season with Crosby and Malkin accounting for 27.1% of the Penguins’ salary cap. That huge portion of the cap for two players absolutely played havoc with Pittsburgh’s ability to field a suitable supporting cast to contend with the big guns, and I can’t see the Blackhawks doing any better with Toews and Kane.

    This is also bad news for Marc Bergevin. While Kane and Toews are unquestionably bigger stars than Subban, Kane is just six months older while Toews is one year older. If they are worth $10.5 million, it is hard to see Subban settling for less than $8 million now, especially when you factor in the disparity in prior compensation.

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      $ 8 million will sound like a bargain now.

    • THE ABSOLUTE_TRUTH says:

      Chris – Subbans salary should be judged by defensemen around the league by whom he’s compared to not forwards, he’ll never be a Kane or Toews but he could be a Doughty or Seabrook maybe even a Weber.

    • kerrgte says:

      Absolutely right.

      So those 2 greedy twerps have disabled the team’s mgt from signing anyone else to make the team better, in your words, a dynasty. Now these 2 pigs have taken all the cap money.

      Exactly how does a guy spend $10 mill + ??? Does anyone really need a new Rolls Royce every week ??

      What is the difference between $5 million and $10 million ???
      the answer is “Pure unadulterated greed”. A sane person cannot spend that amount in his lifetime UNLESS he chooses to live like a pig.

      Those 2 imbeciles, Kane and Toews, will never spend the amount of money they’ve taken from the club.

      TEAM PLAYERS – DEFINITELY NOT !!
      GREEDY PIGS – DEFIFINTELY !!

      Whatever happened to “Team first – Me second.”

      • Cal says:

        The “team first” concept is only that. Management down to the players will go to the highest bidder for their services. If players know they can command $10.5 mil and there’s a team that will pay it, they and their agents will go where the money is.
        Fans are more loyal to their teams than either management or the players. (Most times, except for the bandwagon jumpers, anyways)

      • Mr. Biter says:

        If the Chicago GM offered them the $10.5 would you turn it down? Where can I sign before the Hawks change their minds. Depending how the salary cap goes forward and they continue to play at an elite level in the future it may look like a good deal for the Hawks in the future. If however they begin playing like Gomer, then that’s a lota buyout.

        Mr. Biter
        No Guts No Glory

        • kerrgte says:

          At some point, any rational person would intervene in this crude negotiation process and say ” I dont want to kill the golden goose. I want to contribute to this organization, not simply take from it.”

          These two have chosen to take all they can get.

          Pretty superficial in my books.

          • Mr. Biter says:

            Kobe makes $23.5M per season with the Lakers and he’s not the highest paid player in the NBA. Now that’s obscene.

            Mr. Biter
            No Guts No Glory

        • CJ says:

          No, I wouldn’t turn it down. That said, I do agree with Chris. This will handcuff the Blackhawks going forward. Sure, should the cap rise 50%, it won’t be an issue. That however, is not going to happen for a number of years.

          On an aside, I saw as others are forecasting the Penguins to win their division and finish among the top three teams in the East. Let me be the first to go on record to say that I could see Pittsburgh taking a big step backwards. I still think they should qualify for the postseason, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re relegated to a wildcard position, or even miss the playoffs. Much like Chicago, there’s simply too much money tied up in four players (Letang, Crosby, Malkin and Fleury). As a result, you insulate this core with young, inexperienced players, or veterans who are past their prime. Sometimes you catch lightning in a bottle, but it really is a gamble.

          • Mr. Biter says:

            For the 2 players making $10.5M per year how many are making $500,000-$750,000 per season? In normal terms that’s still a lot of money but as much as I hate to quote Milbury “NHL means Not Here Long”
            BTW I don’t go to movies anymore as I don’t want to support some of the actors who make $15M per movie for movies that make me throw up.

            Mr. Biter
            No Guts No Glory

      • scamorza says:

        um would love to hear your thoughts when the next ( insert movie star here) gets 20 mil for a crappy movie! :-) but point well taken

        come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

      • habstrinifan says:

        ” What is the difference between $5 million and $10 million ???
        the answer is “Pure unadulterated greed”. A sane person cannot spend that amount in his lifetime UNLESS he chooses to live like a pig.”

        You have gotta me kidding me!
        “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

        https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

        • franco says:

          The difference between 5 million and 10 million is 5 million dollars.

          Thats a lot of money to leave on the table.

          Whats the difference between 5 billion and 10 billion. The NHL is not going to drop ticket, merchandise etc so they can make less.

          Since when is a beer worth $10 and a sweater worth $200, you take what the market will bear, that is the system we live under.

      • shandrew says:

        Sorry, but you seem to be under the illusion that the NHL is anything but a business…Kane and Toews did exactly what they should have done. Next time your boss offers you a big fat raise and you tell him that you’re not worth the money he’s offering, let me know.

      • Loop_Garoo says:

        He’s not spending the money now, half goes in taxes, and he will want to save enough to live well for the rest of his life. It is easy to criticize, but I have seen a number of these athletes give huge amounts of money to causes they support, help out family etc. I am not going to call anyone a greedy pig unless I know the whole story.

        And also, any penny the players don’t take just stays with the owners, it’s not like it’s going to you or someone who needs it.

    • franco says:

      That is way dynasties can only last so long and then the start to crumble. This causes many teams to win over the years.

      If you had the Canadiens teams of the late 70’s with their wonderful talent the team could not stay together in this climate. The team would win for a couple of years maybe, then start to break up.

      Eventually no matter how well the Canadiens recruit players they will have to decide who has to go and be weaker for it.

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      I never expected Subban to settle for less than 8 million anyway. They’ll make him the highest played D-man in the league, until someone else becomes that next year. These 2 contracts I don’t think will make that much difference to what Subban ends up with, just might make it quicker for him to get it.

  61. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Jocelyn Guevremont just signed the #RogersPetition.

    What’s taking P.K. so long to answer ?

    O yeah, I forgot, …too busy pricing yachts in Monaco :(

    ____________________________________________________

    Petition To Protest Roger’s Blacking Out Of Habs’ Games On RDS West Of Quebec

    Read and sign at; http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds

  62. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Guess Gerald’s and My gelb Wettbewerb is now shot down in flames :(

  63. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Question to Nikita Scherbak, “What is Your nick-name in the locker-room ?” …answer, “…My coach on the Blades calls Me the Scherbbanator !”

    Already, it seems, there will be soon a looming conflict in the Habs’ dressing-room :)

  64. Habitant in Surrey says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvcw6zKKI7E&list=UUy8mtXf-Lxkyl6I6HMAq6-g

    Fun new interview with Nikita Scherbak, questions from Fans

    ____________________________________________________

    Petition To Protest Roger’s Blacking Out Of Habs’ Games On RDS West Of Quebec

    Read and sign at; http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds

  65. marlboro says:

    I mentioned signing Heatly to a one year ( prove me ) contract. Lots of people argued against it. The character issue. Well I guess Heatlys character wasn’t an issue for the GM of the year..,

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      No fans in Anaheim. Doesn’t matter what he does.

      —–
      Moving. Forward.

    • Landof10000lakesHab says:

      I watch all Wild games as most of my working buds are Wild fans and I get to see several live games a year as well. The Wild have a great young team, but I could not even begin to describe to you the on-ice horror show that has been Dany Heatley in Minnesota. I get irritated just thinking about the remotest possibility that he could come to Habville. Lots more than character issues here. I would start with – if Heater and Douglas Murray were in a one lap race around the rink, i’m not certain who would win. There is so much more – just let it go.

      • CJ says:

        I couldn’t agree more. I felt the same way watching him live in Ottawa. Regarding the character issues, I’ve got a beauty story to share at the next summit. I hope somebody reminds me….

  66. B says:

    Arbitration Hearing Dates:
    Lars Eller July 25
    P.K. Subban August 1

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=46931

    –Go Habs Go!–

  67. thebonscott says:

    Hi guys need advice, i have adored the habs for many years, and this fall i hope to attend my first game ever, with my wife and 2 kids, any advice on where to purchase tickets from and when they would go on sale?? as i am clueless. How much is a reasonable 4 ticket package gonna cost me?? looking at opening night vs bruins or the saturday vs the avalanche. Any help is appreciated as i can only swing this once or twice a lifetime financially.

    C’mon guys this is not rocket surgery!!!!

    • habstrinifan says:

      I’ll let the experts answer… u should have good answers.

      “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

      https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      ” opening night vs bruins or the saturday vs the habs.”

      Describes the Flyers’ schedule.

      Busted!

      Not enough activity on the flyer forums?

      —–
      Moving. Forward.

    • Hobie says:

      Single game tickets usually go on sale (If I remember correctly?) in September. On the day they go on sale head to canadiens.com and get in the virtual waiting room 30mins before the sale starts. Most Saturday night games are listed as premium games but a few, even good teams, are not. Non Premium games are half the price of premium games.

      I got two tickets in the 1st row of the Whites for $80 a piece on a Saturday against Toronto. The same tickets for 75% of other Saturday nights were double the price.

    • CJ says:

      How old are your kids? Two and under are free. If you are flexible on dates, then you can find some very good deals. Anything against Boston is expensive, as are Saturday night games. That said, tickets are available. I’ve bought extra tickets on ebay, craigslist and through the team website (box office).

    • franco says:

      Dear Clueless, I would suggest staying home as there are NO resonably priced tickets.

      If you can only do this once or twice in a lifetime, you cannot afford it.

  68. BJ says:

    Time to pack it in. I would expect Germany to beat these guys. Not impressed by either team tonight.

  69. habs-fan-84 says:

    Playing not to lose; I hate that strategy.

  70. habstrinifan says:

    Repost FOR Frozzen Village… in case he missed it from prvious thread.
    ===========================
    habstrinifanJULY 9, 2014 AT 6:02 PM
    Item #1 Sound and Light show on Parliament Hill. Bring a blanket to sit on and some snacks, and experience this wholly unique, and truly Canadian, event.
    Don’t miss this free, bilingual show. Presented nightly in Canada’s Capital from July 8 through September 6, 2014.
    July 8 to August 16, 10 pm. Guaranteed spectacular!

    Item#2.
    Jul 11, 2014 – Jul 13, 2014

    Osgoode Medieval Festival
    5673 Osgoode Main Street, Ottawa
    Attend the 7th annual festival and enjoy a medieval market, a medieval feast, a creative arts competition and more!
    http://www.osgoodemedievalfestival.com
    —————————————
    Item#3:Jul 13, 2014
    Classic Cars
    Cumberland Heritage Village Museum, Cumberland
    See vintage vehicles and participate in the Pit Stop Challenge: find out if you can change a tire, refuel an engine and wash a windshield in record time.
    —————————————–
    Of course if P.K signs while you are here.. come join the HOLY Cow..he signed for that_______________ drink up I’ll be having.
    =======================

    mark-IDJULY 9, 2014 AT 6:37 PM
    It is Hope beach on Saturday this weekend at Mooneys bay park. There will be a bunch of volleyball games going on and Matthew Good band performing, also we have Bluesfest going on.
    Not sure if your kids would care for either though…?

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

    https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

    • Frozen Village says:

      Thanks Trini !

      More Swedes for the Lions in Winter

    • CJ says:

      I’ve been to the medieval festival. Just to clarify, it’s located in the village of Osgoode, about 45 minutes south of downtown Ottawa. It’s a nice drive. Hop onto river road and you will zip right past my place. If planning on eating, the Red Dot in Osgoode is very good, as is Kelly’s Landing (overlooking the rideau river) on river road.

  71. twilighthours says:

    Netherlands deserved to lose. Justice is served.

  72. CH Marshall says:

    Guess this is what happens when you play with only a defensive mindset.

  73. Cal says:

    Uno.
    And that’s a higher number than goals that all those talents have scored with nets as big as a house.


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