Mike & Max’s excellent adventure: Weaver’s dream summer with Pacioretty


Canadiens’ Mike Weaver enjoys a few Florida rays with his quiet teammate, Max Pacioretty. What began with one photo of Weaver’s Brossard locker has become something truly hilarious and a huge hit with Habs fans. And it’s not over yet…
Twitter photo courtesy @mikeweaver_43

Canadiens defenceman Mike Weaver and forward Max Pacioretty have been enjoying a wonderful summer of bromance, even though only Weaver is willing to talk about it.

The fact that Pacioretty is, in fact, 21 inches tall by 16 inches wide on glossy paper, black and white but for a colour jersey logo (and adorned by a goatee and Salvador Dali mustache), just a poster plucked from a magazine, might have a little something to do with it.

Here’s Stubbs’s feature column detailing Weaver’s brilliant travelogue idea that has taken two teammates from Montreal to Florida to Toronto. So far.

And if you’re not following Weaver at @mikeweaver_43 on Twitter… what’s keeping you?

Below: the May 31 tweet that started it all:



  1. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Actually I was the one who was spooning!

  2. John Q Public says:

    The question is how is the Max poster going to meet it’s end ?

    • krob1000 says:

      My guess is where it belonged all along..in Dd’s locker.

      • 123456 says:

        I am left wondering if Weaver’s wife will ultimately be the demise of one dimensional Max. Will she destroy Max in a fit of jealous rage? Will she destroy Max in the heat of an uncontrollable desire for the flat chested, semi-gloss, wood pulp base of a man?

        I don’t want to even think about the possibilities if Weaver himself is the cause of eradication.

  3. habs001 says:

    The NHL wants parity..Fans should enjoy a good season where their team makes the playoffs…Making the playoffs gives at least a chance that everything falls in place and your team wins the cup…But with 30 teams the reality is that there will be teams that will not win the cup in the next 75 years plus…Habs can win the cup in the next few years but there is also a good chance they will not win it in many decades…

    • 123456 says:

      True parity will give each team a championship once in about every 30 years. I’m actually not a fan of it – as a die hard fan I’d prefer to go through a few years of failure to be rewarded with a few a year of greatness. I’d like to see a dynasty as I feel my team will at some point be there as well.

      But as a business guy I realize that, in general, parity will bring in more revenue league wide in the long run.

  4. Chris says:

    If you are wondering why Brazilian fans would not cheer for Argentina, think about how many Canadians enjoy cheering for whoever is playing the United States. Or, as pointed out below, how many Habs fans cheer for whoever is playing against Boston or Toronto.

    Now multiply that by a very big number and you get the rivalry that exists between Argentina and Brazil in soccer. Nationalistic fervour, supremacy in their national sport and geopolitical considerations all get wrapped up in the Argentina-Brazil rivalry.

    I have a number of Argentine friends, and ALL of them are salivating at the possibility of winning the World Cup on Brazilian soil. They are not overlooking the Germans (many are pessimistic), but they just love the possibility of having salt rubbed in the gaping wound to Brazilian pride.

  5. Habfan17 says:

    Right now I don’t see the need to trade for Evander Kane or O’Reilly. In the past I was for trading for them, now I want to see how training camp goes in September.

    I still scratch my head seeing folks wanting to trade Eller. Read any hockey sports page, TSN, Sportsnet, The Hockey News, etc, and the one thing ALL G M’s are looking for are big solid centers! Why I ask, would you trade a 6’2″ 215lb centre who is only 25, is fast, plays a 200 foot game, never complains, and just had a great play off! Please don’t say inconsistency! Eller has had revolving linemates, was moved to the wing and still did pretty well for a 3rd line player.
    He is not the only one who had an inconsistent season. DD was nowhere to be found for the first 3rd or more. There were others.
    PK struggled at times.

    Right now, the left side has Patches, Galchenyuk, if not moved to centre, Sekac, Prust, Moen, and Bournival. That leaves Gallagher, Bourque, Weise and Parenteau on the right side.

    I think Bergevin should just hold tight until training camp and see what these players bring. There is also an outside chance that Sherbak and De La rose are ready. None of these players will cost a thing to have on the Habs. Why make a trade now!

    Remember the old saying, “the Grass always looks greener on the other side, until you are there!”


    • BJ says:

      I agree with you. I think Eller is coming into his own and will become more consistent. I feel we are good to go but would like one heavyweight added to the team. Its time to give younger guys a chance and why bring in a hot head like Kane.

    • Cal says:

      MB would have to have his socks knocked off by an offer to trade anyone right now. His time is taken up by PK and Eller right now.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I don’t think people are writing that they “Want” to trade Eller, or that they “Want” to trade Plex. What they want is an elite young scoring player like O’Reilly or Kane. It is that simple. Eller has not proven to be that yet, thus the reason if acquiring such a player cost Eller they would be okay with it.

      • Luke says:

        Yup. When I say I would trade someone, I’m not saying we *need* to trade them.

        There is no one on the Habs that I think they absolutely *need* to get rid of.
        No one is awful. No one is an obvious problem. No contract is crippling (and that included Briere and Gorges, IMO).

        But, if the right offer came along, I’d trade ’em all.

      • Habfan17 says:

        I hear you and understand that they would be “willing” to give Eller up. I would be okay with giving up Pleks, he is 31 and is what he is, and will not get better. There is no way to know if wither of those players would fit in here and right now players like Sekac, Bournival and Sherbak have better contracts and may give those who want a young, scoring player, what they want. Me included. IF MB is not willing to move DD or Pleks, the two I would move before Eller, then Galchneyuk will also be on the left side and may just show us why he was taken so high!


    • John Q Public says:

      It may be that because of the concussion from the previous year, last year was an aberration. Perhaps healing completely allowed him to have a great playoffs.

  6. HabinBurlington says:

    Not sure if already linked, but here is a nice article detailing some of the work Lapointe has been doing in player development for the Habs and specifically McCarron.


  7. HabinBurlington says:

    While the AHL dabbles with new OT/Shootout parameters, I still cannot understand how the NHL doesn’t recognize the problem with the points being awarded. I actually don’t care what the breakdown of points is for a game, but every single regular season game in the NHL should be worth the exact same amount of total points.

    Given the NHL uses points and not winning percentage to seed teams, I fail to understand how a league feels it is fair to have some games give out 3 points while other games give out 2 points. I recognize Gary loves the falsified tightness in the standings, but it is just mathematically wrong, and I hate math!

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Is there any evidence that fairness is in any way shape or form a consideration in G Bettman’s thinking?

      Moving. Forward.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        No, but repeatedly I am told here that he is brilliant and all mighty.

        • 123456 says:

          Well I’m a Math nerd (or was at one time – now I’m just a nerd) and I honestly do not think it boils down to math… it’s really as you perfectly described it – FALSE TIGHTNESS. There is just that glimmer of hope if you are a Leafs fan of only being 6 points out of 8th place with 10 games to go. Whereas, mathematically, the have little chance to make it given the 4 other team ahead of them.

    • Cal says:

      They don’t think it’s a problem that marginal teams get extra points to keep their fans thinking they actually have a chance to get into the playoffs. It’s an artificial way of keeping teams in “contention” for the playoffs.

      • fastfreddy says:

        Real fans of teams would see the “cheapness” of that .

        CH = Les Glorieux!!!

        • 123456 says:

          Totally agree with both of you – except….. how many “real fans” are there. The majority of fans in most sports are what I call “marginal fans” they are fans when the team is winning or involved in a playoff race – hence (as Burly put it – falsified tightness – is a good thing for the NHL). And by “good” I mean gather interest and get $$

    • fastfreddy says:

      Why not adopt the European soccer rules for pts. 3 for a W 1 for a T 0 for L (if a team ties after regulation, 1 pt. each)

      CH = Les Glorieux!!!

      • Cal says:

        Geez, next thing you know hockey will have shootouts…hey, wait a minute!

        • 123456 says:

          LOL – or a combo of 4 on 4 OT and then 3 on 3,,,,, and then the shoot out. Maybe then take the goalie away and have guys shoot on an empty net from the further goal line. Or maybe go the way of lacrosse and basketball and have a goal worth 2 points if scored from beyond the blue line. Heck don’t the Globetrotters have a 4 point basket area????

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      I can only agree. It makes no sense and it just feels wrong.

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      As far as the NHL is concerned, there is no problem. The fact that more points are awarded for overtime games was planned and specifically put in place to ensure the standings were tighter towards the end of the season. The battle for playoff spots go on much longer and are tighter, same with jockeying for playoff position. This competition/tension increases ticket sales and tv viewership which = more money.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I get that, but it is simply an unfair way of allotting points. To say that one regular season game is more important than another is wrong. And a child could figure this out.

    • Balzac says:

      I agree… total non sens that some games add 2 pts in the standings total and some games add 3. My opinion is that:
      A regular time :3pts to the winner, 0 to the loser
      OT/SO : 2 pts to the winner and 1 to the loser

      This way every games add 3 pts to standings total points.

      Otherwise, the division in which teams are closer in strength, will generate more 3pts (OT/SO) games and will reach higher in the standing compared to a division where some teams are significantly stronger to their rivals, more game are won in regular time and therefore the teams in this division generate less points in standing compared to the other division… not fair

  8. sprague cleghorn says:

    Had to put up this tweet:

    Dave Stubbs ‏@Dave_Stubbs 4h

    This day 1956: We lost 1920s wrecking machine Sprague Cleghorn, age 66. Last #Habs D to lead team scoring (1921-22)

    … ‘ow could we forget that?

  9. Alex_425 says:

    Well, Liverpool just sold Suarez to Barcelona for a cool 75 million pounds, which translates to about 128 million US dollars.

    Helluva talent, but such a shame. And after all that Liverpool tried to do to help/rehabilitate him.

    There goes not just the best offensive talent to set foot in the EPL in a while, but also there goes my Liverpool’s chance at contending for the title for God-knows-how-long.

    Care to chime in, Mr. Boone, if you’re in the house?

  10. HabinBurlington says:

    Kind of wondered if this wouldn’t happen with O’Reilly. Since signing that offer sheet from Calgary, you had to think the relationship with the Avs had soured somewhat.


    • Luke says:

      Eller for O’Reilly.

      Do it MB.

      • Ozmodiar says:

        Now we’re talkin’.

        Leave E Kane where he is. ROR’s the guy MB should be targeting. Of course, this is why one guy is being shopped around and the other is not. 🙂

        • Dust says:

          Nope, Id rather Kane.
          Any day of the week.
          One guy signed an offer sheet because he thinks he is worth more than he is. One signed a good contract

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I’m with you Oz, the prior contract hassle was also I think prior to Sakic taking the reins, and the Colorado ownership group is/was known to be frugal.

          GIven the crap that happened last off season, look at the performance this kid gave Colorado. Very very nice player.

          I would even consider a Plex for ROR trade, not out of wanting Plex gone, but rather if that is what it would take.

          • Luke says:

            I think, too, that the 6.5 wasn’t his valuation. He was talking with the AVs, they disagreed and Calgary comes in with an offer they thought would force Colorado to not match.

            So it wasn’t so much ROR’s camp saying “I am worth x” but rather Feaster saying “Colorado won’t match x”

            I’d probably do either Plex or Eller for ROR… and with Dubinsky getting 5.85, 6-6.5 million is probably the ballpark for him.

          • piper says:

            I think the Habs would need to add a very good prospect to the package to get ROR. This kid is very very good.

  11. HabinBurlington says:

    Brandon Dubinsky just hit paydirt in Columbus. Nice player, heart and soul guy.

    Pierre LeBrun ✔ @Real_ESPNLeBrun
    Dubinsky deal’s in Columbus: $5.85 M AAV per year and includes no-move, no-trade clauses

    6year deal.


    suggestion, overtime sudden Death 10-minutes 3 on 3
    if still tied given 1 point each Game over.
    I don’t think 3 on 3 would take long and it would be better than the lucky shootout. entertainment for the Fans would be two on one’s and some great Goalie saves.

    • Mustang says:

      One of the things that bugs me about the present setup is that games involving overtime are worth 3 points while games decided in regulation time are only worth 2 points. In my opinion, every game should be worth the same number of points.

  13. HabinBurlington says:

    Question for Walmyr or any other afficianados of South American football. I get that there is a massive rivalry between Argentina and Brazil, but I am a bit surprised that Brazilians still wouldn’t cheer for a South American team to beat a European team.

    I suppose I say this as I heard one of the Dutch players in his post game interview say Go Germany.

    Perhaps I am being to myopic as I can’t say I would be cheering for Italy or France over Brazil or Argentina as they are huge rivals for the German squad.

  14. John Q Public says:

    Rule 85 (“Overtime”)
    During the regular season, the sudden-death overtime period will be seven minutes (7:00) in length, preceded by a “dry scrape” of the entire ice surface.
    Teams will change ends at the start of overtime.
    Full playing strength will be 4-on-4 until the first whistle following three minutes of play (4:00 remaining), at which time full strength will be reduced to 3-on-3 for the duration of the overtime period.
    If the game is still tied following overtime, a winner will be determined by a three-player shootout.

    Gimmick after gimmick.
    Just flip a coin and be done with it.

    • Luke says:

      7 minutes?
      What’s so magical about 7?
      Was 10 such a stretch?
      Two 5 minutes halves.
      Wow what shocking symmetry.
      But no. Hockey and their inability to actually make a decision comes up with another half-assed semi-decision like the hybrid icing…

    • Phil C says:

      Maybe they should pull both goalies, or the defending team has to flip their stick and play with the buttend in their own zone. Or a leg wrestling match between coaches at centre ice. Therrien vs Julien, who wouldn’t want to see that?

    • Mustang says:

      True fans of the game think that this whole shootout business is rediculous. In reality it is little more than a form of entertainment to please the people that are in the seats.

      • franco says:

        Pleasing the people, who pay to use the seats for 3 hours at a time is wrong?

        A shoot out is wrong because it is a skills competition?

        Keeping the standings tight is wrong?

        A tie used to be the norm, not deciding a game is right?

        Only pro sport that allowed ties. Fun way to end a tie. If you lose the home team still gains a point and keeps the teams bunched up for playoff positions. Keeps teams in and fans interested.

      • Dust says:

        who are you to say who is a true fan and who isn’t.
        I have no problem with a shootout. So i am not a true fan????
        The nhl is in the sports entertainment business.

        • Mustang says:

          Dust. OK, I will rephrase my comment. “Most” true fans of the game think that this whole shootout business is rediculous. How’s that? Letting an individual skills contest decide the outcome of a team sport simply does not make sense to me.

          Franco. Many of the people in the seats did not pay for them, they were paid for by companies who then (supposedly) give them to their customers as a promotional gift. Most real fans cannot afford the cost of a seat and/or do not have access to a ticket.


    October we’ll have our team for 2014-2015 latest report from MB!

  16. Fansincebirth says:

    Is the development camp still going on in Brossard Monday/Tuesday?
    Is it still open to the public?

    My daughter and I are heading to Mtl on Monday for the AL + Queen concert and will drive back home Tuesday.

    • Cal says:

      Bad luck. Development camp ends today with a scrimmage open to the public. Enjoy the concert.
      Man, do I miss Freddie Mercury.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Going to see them Sunday night in T.O., looking forward to it!

      • Fansincebirth says:

        DAMMIT!! Thanks Cal….

        As a teen in the ’70s, I was the only one in my peer group who listened to Queen and I never seemed to be in the right place at the right time to see them in concert.

        My daughter, bless her heart, has picked up the love I had for Queen so her and I are heading to Mtl. I feared it was going to be an Adam Lambert show but from all reviews, it’s a rocking affair with a ton of old Queen songs being played and he’s an absolute smash hit!

        One of the radio stations in Ottawa (CHEZ) was saying something about Deacon stating that when Freddie died, Queen was over and shouldn’t try to be revived. This is the closest I’ll ever get and I envy those who saw Freddie & Queen in their prime.

        • Cal says:

          I saw them at the Forum in 1981. That whole show is on youtube. Freddie was the consummate performer. Who knew opera and heavy rock could be fused in such an amazing way?

          See that youtube list here: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL582462DDF68CE5B5

          • scavanau says:

            That concert is constantly played on Comcast Concert Music channel Palladia.

          • Fansincebirth says:

            I bought my daughter the DVD for her birthday 🙂

            Another tragic tale.

            I kind of stopped listening to Queen after the News of the World album because they became a bit too commercial for me as I was a huge fan of their earlier stuff. It wasn’t until my daughter ‘forced’ me to listen to the rest of the collection that I became a monster fan again.

            A tattoo is forthcoming 🙂

      • Landof10000lakesHab says:

        Summer – 1980 – living on Beach Ave in Vancouver – Queen concert.


    If we don’t get a tough Guy Lucy will have a hay day with the Habs this year as well as some others, they’ll be running price like there’s no tomorrow and we’ll become kids in a schoolyard again beat all over the ice especially playoff time. McGrattan could take care of that problem….

    • HabinBurlington says:

      It will be interesting to watch the Bruins this season. Lucic always knew that Thornton was there to fight his battles. Lucic rarely if ever fights anyone near his weight class, he prefers the role of bully with lightweights.

      Obviously Chara is still there, but the Bruins do not want him spending 5 or 10 minute majors in the penalty box. Lucic may be forced to answer for his past transgressions much more this season, a role he isn’t quite as comfortable with.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Lucic doesn’t need to fight, he has his new testicular examination form of aggression.

        Interesting parallels between comments made by Lucic on that and by Suarez on his preferred act of hostility.

        (Let’s hope those two never have kids together – would be nasty.)

      • frontenac1 says:

        Thornton is not what he used to be. I was surprised Tallon signed him for 2yrs with that hefty raise. Bruins still have plenty of young tough guys in the system amigo.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Recognize that bud, but last year he still played that role, we will see who picks up the slack for Shawn.

          • frontenac1 says:

            Probably McQuaid and Miller. Maybe Robbins and Randell get called up from Providence. Hey, we are still on for a pint on tonight’s game eh?

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Absolutely Front, I fear you have roped me into a false sense of security with the Bombers basically equalling all of last seasons success in just 2 games.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Hey Truth.
      Problem is, when does McGrattan (or whoever) deter the opposing forward? Before or after the guy has already run Price?

      Also, can we compare lists of when we got beat all over the ice?

  18. Dunboyne Mike says:

    I never saw “Goon” but I’m recording it tonight.
    Worth watching?

    Is it just for laughs, playing on the stereotypes? Or has it anything to say? At all?

  19. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Sorry I didn’t get back to anyone who replied to my Heatley/Gainey personal trauma homily yesterday. Time was pressing so it was one of those rant-and-run jobs.

    Responses ranged from agree totally to agree about Gainey but not Heatley, and to disagree — if you’re professional, you have to do your job, etc.

    All viewpoints well-argued and courteous. One of those occasions when I remember how much better it would actually be around a table with a couple of sudsy pitchers (good and all as HIO is).



    Myself I wouldn’t bring in anyone, what I would do I would sign Eller for 3-years 3-Mil per move him to left wing on the 3rd line with Plekanec and Bourque because Eller will be as good there as he is at center.
    Galchenyuk is given his chance at center on the 2nd line with Gallagher and Bournival or maybe someone may surprise in training camp. Training camp should be the deciding factor, that’s why they go there to try and claim a spot on the Big Team.
    Stay away from Kane, rumor has it he’s not a team player and creates problems in the dressing room, He’s not worth the headache to the coaches and the team togetherness we have right now. Yes he’s a good player, but good players don’t always make good team mates.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Eller and Bourque with Plekanec.. will be doing the sam-o same-o routine they have done is these so many years.

      It is time HABS accept that Plekanec is a defensive centre .. maybe groom Eller to be a defensive winger if you wish but Bourque will not be ideal as a defensive type player.

      I dont know if Eller is ready to accpet that ‘restriction’ either. I suspect that he is not and I think we will get a hint affter his arbitration process.

      Essentially I am saying time to slot defensive players with Plekanec.. Bournival for instance… and not waste (maybe too strong a word) offensive talents trying to upgrade Plekanec’s contribution. Aint gonna happen. Years and years of evidence shows that.

      “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Hey Trini.
        Is Bournival a defensive player only until he “gambles a stamp”, gets the Charles Atlas strengthening programme and develops a shot?! He does so many great things, at speed, in the o-zone, and then shoots as if his arms are made from yesterday’s spaghetti!
        [Saw your reply yesterday – cheers. Man, a beer some day]

        • habstrinifan says:

          Bournival’s post draft-trade career and especially his Memorial cup performance showed a hockey versatility with pronounced ability and smarts to read the game; change the momentum; bring calmness on the ice; enforce defensive control; pot some opportune goals or assists.

          All while using great speed and a mid-size player’s grit and self-control by not taking retaliatory penalties. A composite of skills of needed for that type role.. which is why I was loud in my prediction that he would be on the team when the season opened.

          I think Bournival could be the prototype mid-size defensive specialist that HAbs used to have in their heydays.

          Riseborough; Walter; Jarvis; to some degree Temblay etc etc… come to mind.

          I left out Gainey because his size made him unique.

          And I left out Carbonneau because his skating and finesse made him unique too.

          The others were all workmanlike and efficient… rather than particularly ‘blessed’ with any one attribute. They wont have made teams with their gifts. They made teams better with their work.

          “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Nice summary! Wow. That’s the guy I’ve seen.
            Still, does he move up the line-up if he gets some mustard onto his shot?

    • Habfan17 says:

      Eller has twice been moved to left wing and he is not good there! He needs to stay at center. Some players aren’t able to switch positions. If you want to move someone to left wing, maybe try Pleks!


    • Dust says:

      I don’t get why people put bournival in the top 6.
      He just doesn’t have the finish or offensive creativity to be there i think.
      He has good hockey sense and is great on the forecheck. i think he is going to turn out to be a very good 3rd liner.
      i think he would fit in very well with bourque and eller on the 3rd line. Speed and size.

    • Forum Dog says:

      I don’t see why you would want to move Eller to the wing. MTL has needed a big, strong two-way centre for about 20 years now, and just as one starts to emerge you want to switch him to the wing?

      I’m starting to think that Galchenyuk won’t make a full-time switch to centre this year. They may ease him in gradually but – barring a trade – I think their top-3 centres are pretty much set.

      I agree that Bournival may surprise this fall, but I think that even then he is a 3rd line player to start the year.

  21. durocher says:

    Moen for McGratton or Peluso

    Or, sign Staubitz or Barch to two-way contracts

    Mike Rupp (Prust’s former teammate) is also a UFA.

    • frontenac1 says:

      I think Marc wants to see how some of the kids look in camp before he goes to the market for an experienced enforcer. Crisp, Nevins and Fournier are closest imo. Followed by Wardley,Schmalz,Lernout,Thrower, Imma . I’d love to see Rosehill or Paluso signed as a stop gap until the kids are ready. Marc knows what he’s doing imo.Saludos!

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Hey Front! House-cleaning, sorting out souvenirs from trips to Canada with the kids, including several years’ worth to grandparents retired in Cataraqui Woods.

        The pub I mentioned to you before down by the waterfront was in fact the Kingston Brewing Company, walls covered in beer mats from the world over. The tradition was to bring my ailing Dad there every visit (and I was over 5 times in his last year). The girls there made such a fuss of him! Even when his mind was gone you could see he still appreciated that! And I sure appreciated their being so friendly to him and how they handled his confused speech etc. Kingston stands out to me as an exceptionally friendly place.

        • frontenac1 says:

          That’s a fine establishment Mike. I’m glad you have such great memories with your Dad there. By the way Cat.Woods is growing like crazy now. There is a new state of the art NHL sized4 pad arena there now. Slainte Amigo!

  22. rhino514 says:

    I applaud MB for not overpaying for a FA with issues and giving a chance to one of Andrighetto, Sekac, or Bournival.
    If it doesn´t work out, we can make a trade at our leisure during the season.
    Anyone think any of those kids has the goods, or should they be viewed as longshots?

  23. Cal says:

    Good morning, HIO. Dontcha think it’s time to Escape?

  24. DipsyDoodler says:

    Eller and a 1st for E Kane is the best Winnipeg can hope for, but I don’t think we can trade Eller since he is an unsigned RFA.

    Not that I wish to trade Eller.

    Moving. Forward.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Until they decide to move Galchenyuk from left wing to centre, there is no room for Kane. On top of that, MB signed Sekac who also plays left wing. At this point, the Habs no longer need Kane. Bournival too needs a spot and although he is a converted centre, he is playing on the left side. I would not give up anyone for Kane right now. I would wait and see how things look at camp.

      If I were to trade anyone, it would be DD and Pleks. Then have Galchenyuk and Eller, followed by one of Bournival, De La Rose, or another player who steps up, even Malhotra!

      Teams are crying for 6’2″, 215lbs centres with speed and can play. Why would MB trade Eller who is only 25? Inconsistent play or not!
      Players like Bickell and Clifford earn their keep in the play offs, and are not big point producers during the regular season.

      The HIO group wanted MB to trade for them. The Habs have Eller, why give him away? I see Bournival as a potential PK specialist and shut down guy. He is very fast, has a very high hockey IQ and is sound with his positioning.


      • piper says:

        agree 100%

      • JF says:

        Good post. Trading for Kane would likely mean altering the balance Bergevin has been working to achieve, not to mention potentially causing a problem in a locker room that was very tight last season. And we have options at left wing. Why sign Jiri Sekac if we’re not going to give him a realistic chance to make the team?

        As for trading Eller, we have been looking for a big, fast centre for a couple of decades. Are we going to give up on Eller when he hasn’t reached his prime yet and Galchenyuk is at least a couple of years away?

        • Balzac says:

          At 25 Eller should be in his prime which means that we now see what he is capabale and we should adjust ou expectations. I think he’s a perfect 3C for many years to come… can take 2nd line duty at times but will not become a stellar 2nd line center… I would be surprised

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Cheers 17, Piper and JF.

        Until someone more persuasive comes along with a 3000-word post full of stats, history, argument, and inside information gleaned first-hand, THIS is exactly how I think of the Kane business and what I hope for Eller and Galchenyuk.

        And Dipsy’s only spooning anyway.

        • DipsyDoodler says:

          I’m not spooning. Kane is available, and the Habs have the cap space and the need for a goal scorer. As UCE points out, he immediately moves up to the top 6.

          You don’t worry about Bournival or Sekac if you can get a 22 year old 30 goal per year player (no need for 3000 words).

          Of course if I was the Jets I’d trade Kane to a team that won’t make the playoffs in exchange for lots of picks.

          Moving. Forward.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Seeking to acquire Evander Kane doesn’t hinge on whether you already have Michaël Bournival and signed Jiri Sekac. It’s not a ‘need’ thing. If he was on the roster, he’d immediately go to the top of the depth chart and all the other players get bumped down. He’s not a roster filler, a depth guy, he’s a first-line scoring winger, and I think every team would make room for him, would be only to glad to get him, at the right price.

        • Ozmodiar says:

          Exactly. Sekac isn’t the blocker here.

          Not only that, the whole “no room for Kane unless he moves to C” is also false. Galchenyuk can play right wing.

          LW – Bourque, Max, Kane
          RW – Gally, Chucky, PaP

      • Coach K says:

        Hey Habfan17,

        I too have to agree with your assessment. In fact, I’d be trying to move DD as soon as possible since, following his strong playoff run, his value will never be higher. I would give Eller a shot at his position. And turn to Galchenyuk if it didn’t work out. Besides, Eller, is the un-Pleky and tends to really show up in the playoffs.

        Unlike some of our fellow posters, I would avoid E. Kane like the plague. He to me, comes across (at this point in his career) as an immature, lesser skilled, “all about me” Ovechkin type. Not good when you are trying to change the culture for the better. Besides, that type of player doesn’t seem to fit with Bergevin’s desire for character individuals.

        I would also consider moving Pleks who IMO, has demonstrated time and again that he has a very limited offensive imagination (kind of the Josh Gorges of the forward squad). As you correctly pointed out, Bounival’s a natural center and he seems to both understand and accept the defensive center role and is a lot cheaper. Getting those other two off the books would free up valuable cap space that could be used to land a winger who can score and would also help to fast track Galchenyuk’s development as the slick play-making center he should be. Mind you, that only works if Therien gives him a fair opportunity.
        Just my two cents…

        —When Hell freezes over, I’ll play hockey there too—

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      You can trade an unsigned RFA, since you still hold his rights in the NHL. The only alternatives such a player has is jumping to a different league, or holding out until he receives a contract offer he’s satisfied with.

      • DipsyDoodler says:

        I didn’t mean it was illegal, but it isn’t very appealing to the other team. Eller could just accept arbitration and bolt next year.

        Moving. Forward.

        • Ozmodiar says:

          What might happen in cases like that is a deal is worked out in principle with the other team before the trade is made, like the Kessel trade.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          True, if the asset is sewn up at a reasonable price, it’s a more attractive trade piece. I was just pointing out that RFA’s can be traded, and sometimes are when the team can’t come to an agreement.

  25. 24 Cups says:

    Who will be the 14 forward? Who will be the 7th Dman? Who will be the new assistant coach?

    Who will be the back-up goalie?

    I guess those are the only Hab questions left to be decided between now and Oct 8th.
    24 Cups

  26. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning all! Once again, in my hockey withdrawal state I viewed a couple of 24CH shows. They were the early season variety and I couldn’t help but notice the Galchenyuk, Gallagher and Eller line and how they completely dominated games. If I’m MT and I’m not commuted to Galchenyuk at wing yet then this is the line I start the season with.

    Oh yeah, I also watched games 3 and 4 against the Bolts. Bourque and Eller were still very very good.

    Off on my bike. CHeers all!

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Good morning, Jim.
      I bet it’s beautiful around where you are on those cycles. You’re an inspiration. My physio won’t let me run til I’ve walked and stretched out some issues in my hips.

      Other aids for withdrawal: read or re-read Dick Irvin’s The Habs. Watch “The Rocket”. etc.

  27. Mavid ® says:


    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  28. Marc10 says:

    I was on KuklasKorner reading the reaction to the Wings resigning Dan Cleary. Classic stuff… It’s refreshing to see our fanbase is not the only one that goes apoplectic over aging spare parts.

    Wings fans are also not happy with the Wings missing out yet again UFAs and on signing a right shooting Dmen. I think next year will be the year the Wings finally get theirs. Nothing coming out of Detroit inspires confidence except a couple of kids who have some ways to go.

    • Phil C says:

      I wonder if they are missing Jim Nill? Dallas seems to be turning things around in a hurry.

      • Luke says:

        The Habs have spent 20 years trying to find a big, skilled number one centre. Jim Nill found two of them in about a calendar year.


        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Good point.

          Another one raised in the article, or at least the comments, is how free agents don’t want to go to Detroit. How recent a phenomenon is that? Because for the last decade at least, any veteran player who wanted a shot at the Cup would play one or two seasons in Detroit, we saw Chris Chelios, Daniel Alfredsson, I forget which others, but that’s the sense I had.

          Is it just the retirement of Niklas Lidstrom that’s changed everything, or the bad reputation of the city of Detroit that’s finally playing a role?

  29. montreal ace says:

    Max and DD do work well together and cost hardly anything in the new NHL, where you can retire at 28. I think that MB needs to address the fact, they are not grinders and need someone bigger then Gallagher, who also needs bigger line mates

    • Balzac says:

      I think PAP is the guy who will be paired with DD and PAX… already friend with DD so chemistry may be easy for them to build.

      Then we could see the return of the line made of Chuck – Eller – Gally

      Then Pleck to play with leftover 3th line capable like Bourque and maybe Sekac

      Then a 4th around Malhotra with Bournival / Weise / Moen / Prust

  30. Adidess says:

    ‘It will take an act of God for Germany not to win the World Cup?’

    I really don’t think so, because that is not the way sports work, fortunately.

    Remember this is one game to win it all. Argentina has not conceded a single goal since the knock-out stage began. The result of the Germany-Brazil was clearly an anomaly, for anyone who knows anything at all about soccer. Remember this is the same Germany that struggled to defeat Algeria and managed one goal to eliminate France. To me, it’s not a forgone conclusion that the team that was more dominant in its semifinal match will win the Finals.

    Now is Germany well positioned to win? Duh! They’re one of two teams playing in the Finals. Is Germany a slight favorite to take it? I think so. But Argentina can absolutely win without an act of God. Scoring first may be all they need.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Agree, I don’t think any fans of Germany think that way either. Myself, I am very nervous and wary of a strong Argentina team led by the best footballer in the world. First goal in this upcoming game is imperative.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Morning Burly. Early tee time, eh? For those that hoped the recent interest in the Soccer in the US wasn’t a temporary thing due to the US teams participation, we might have to think again. It appears since the US team was eliminated the TV ratings have fallen like a rock.

        It appears the US interest was nothing more then sports related patriotism.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Hi Adidess – long time no see.

      I’m going to bite! I think the Cup is Germany’s to lose. Argentina is a weak team with a couple of good pieces AND the ever-presence — barring any Zuniga/Kreider-style tactics — of a walking-talking Act of God in the No. 10 shirt.

      The Dutch figured out how to cancel him out, however, contributing to the first ever scoreless WC semifinal.

      Germany, on the other hand strikes me as being in possession of another gear which they haven’t yet deployed, as well as being a really well-balanced team across the park.

      As for Burly feeling nervous! Adidess, you’re right of course: it’s in the nature of sport that anything can happen. Otherwise we wouldn’t bother watching.

      I think Germany will win, ESPECIALLY if Argentina scores first and the Germans go all out (in their calm, calculated way, of course!).

      • Walmyr says:

        Argentina is very weak where Germany are really strong: the midfield.

        Brazil lost the midfield battle 1 hour before the game starts. Our coach Scolari decided to start the game with the brazilian version of DD. A young kid called Bernard who is very talented but small and play as a winger. So Scolari decided to play the same way as the previous games (which BTW they didn’t play well). We needed another player in midfield. Another player to help to contain Kroos-Schweinsteiger-Khedira.

        Argentina knows this. They can’t play against Germany with only Mascherano, Biglia and (maybe) Perez on the midfield. They can attack this version of Germany. But will they change their system? Will Argentina play the same way Algeria played? Will Di Maria be ready to play?

        I hope not! I (as a brazilian) do not want to see Argentina raising The World Cup here!!!

        So…Go Deutschland!!!


        • HabinBurlington says:

          The Algeria game was an interesting one. Hummels the key to Germany’s central defense was not playing, thus placing two large defenders in the middle Boateng and Mertesecker, both of these guys play as though they have two left feet and are unable to service the midfield with anything creative. They are also sluggish.

          Hummels back on the defence along with Lahm back at his right back position dramatically changes the footspeed of Germany’s backline. THankfully Low got off his high horse and was willing to put Lahm back where he belongs.

          I again expect to see Mertesecker on the sidelines to start the Argentina game.

          Walmyr, I was so hoping for at least the consolation game to be Argentina vs. Brazil to give that game some flavour. I fear the Dutch will not give a rats ass about it. Hoping Brazil can salvage some positivity from that game.


        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Cheers, walmyr, Burly.

          Presume you guys both saw how van Gaal has said he completely opposes the whole notion of a 3rd-4th playoff.

          I think I agree with him. And I’m thinking Olympic hockey as well, although at least there is an actual medal to play for.

          • Walmyr says:

            Mike and Burly,

            There is no reason to have a 3rd-4th playoff. It’s not a funny game to play but sometimes it is a good game to watch. Van Gaal said what he was supposed to say. But he’ll play to win the game, for sure. I hope Brazil and Holland play a good game and we finnish our participation showing a little bit of our game (would be the first time in this WC).

            About the final…Hummels is among the Top 5 Defendes in the world right now. He would improve any defensive system in the globe. Lahm playing as right back was a matter of time (Khedira and Schweinsteiger being ready to play together in the midfield).

            Germany is too strong to play against right now. They are confident and mentally strong, they have a good coach who knows them well and have 200 millions brazilian fans with them!…lol


          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Enjoy it, Walmyr!

  31. HabFan in Edmonton says:

    Not sure why there seems to be a lot of fascination with Evander Kane. Yes he’s got some talent and is tough but he would cost an arm and a leg and is a bit of a head case. I think MB places a premium on character and I am willing to be that he hasn’t even considered it.

  32. Habitant in Surrey says:


    ‘German Beer Crushes Brazil Cocktail’


    Petition To Protest Roger’s Blacking Out Of Habs’ Games On RDS West Of Quebec

    Read and sign at; http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds

  33. ProHabs says:

    Anyone else concerned that the Habs haven’t addressed the heavyweight scrapper issue yet.

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      nope, not one bit. Hope they never do.

    • montreal ace says:

      I will be shocked, if the protection of Price is not addressed. I am tired of Price being run at and Gally being thrown to the ice after a whistle. Price makes every dman on the team look better number wise, including PK. I think we would have won against the Rangers with Price in nets.

      • Balzac says:

        Heavyweighs only fight heavyweights… that means the little bastard ala Marchand that runs our goalie has nothing to fear of him… every player on the ice has to be the guy to step to the plate and make him think twice before doing it again. Thats is why I hope that if MB continue to add guys with caracter, team toughness will happen and we won’t need any HW.

    • piper says:

      There are quite a few young enforcers in the AHL that could step up and take a fourth line role. Thats where Edmonton picked up Gazdic.

  34. JohnBellyful says:

    You have got to be kiddin’. Quit watching the Yankees game, with the Bronx Bombers Lite comfortably ahead 3-0 heading into the bottom of the seventh inning, and now I just checked TSN and they lost 9-3! Gimme a break!
    And they just put their ace, Tanaka, on the disabled list and he’s expected to be out at least six weeks for rehab.
    Their pitching ranks are being rapidly depleted.
    So much for a triumphant ending to Jeter’s stellar career. Next city he visits on the schedule and he’s offered a parting gift, he’ll probably ask for a lefthander with overpowering stuff and an eye-popping curve.

  35. JohnBellyful says:

    I think a fly in the ointment to getting a deal done with Subban and Eller is that no assistant coach has been named to replace Gallant. The not knowing must be gnawing at them. I can understand their hesitancy signing long-term, with guys like Tortorella still out there without a job.
    My suggestion: hire Dick Irvin Jr.
    What player wouldn’t be uplifted hearing Dick’s voice in his ear, hand on shoulder and a twinkle in his eye.
    “Nice move, Rene! Reminded me of the Rocket the way you drove to the net. Keep up the good work!”
    “Beauty pass, Lars. Really threaded the needle on that one. I looked back at Big Jean and he gave the thumbs up. Yeah, Mr. Beliveau! Now go out there and show him it wasn’t a fluke.”
    “Whoa, Alexei, what a hit! That had Larry Robinson written all over it! … Robinson? Larry? Had his number retired? No? Okay, look up, over there, see? 19? Well, just keep doing what you’re doing and make them think twice as they cross over the blue line.”
    “Davey, that was, as my good buddy Danny used to say, one cannonading drive! You should do it more often!”
    Now, I wouldn’t make it too onerous for Mr. Irvin, who’s getting on in years. I’d have him show up just for the home games.
    For away games, the Canadiens could use a life-sized cardboard cutout, miked, so Dick could deliver his inspirational words from his home as he’s watching the game on TV (he’d have to get the right package, of course).
    JJ could move Dick’s ‘person’ up and down the bench so no one would feel left out.
    There might be flaws in this proposal but I can’t think of any offhand.

    — “A little song, a little dance, A little seltzer down your pants.” —

  36. HabinBurlington says:

    Anyone else worried about Timo these days? Perhaps MT’s contract has indeed put Timo over the edge!

  37. DipsyDoodler says:

    If you want to know what E Kane would cost, a good comparable is Jeff Carter. Also a player the team wanted to get rid of for mostly off-ice issues. Carter was a bit older and a surer bet (he’d already scored 46 goals in one season).

    The first time around, Carter netted Voracek and a first. I would rate Voracek at the time roughly equivalent to Eller or Gallagher (maybe a notch below Gallagher).

    The second time it was Jack John$on and a late first. Habs have no comparable to John$on. He’s clearly less than PK, but a surer bet than Nathan.

    So that is what the Jets can expect for E Kane. Eller and a first. Beaulieu and a first. Gallagher and a second. Maybe throw in a 4th round pick.

    That’s the market.


    Moving. Forward.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      FYI: I love Gallagher, and I wouldn’t trade Beaulieu (think Ryan McDonagh).

      I like Eller too but obviously E Kane is way better. Eller a first rounder and a 3rd rounder for Kane is definitely a good deal.

      Moving. Forward.

    • kevin says:

      May be a first rounder, a blue chip prospect or two, it could be done if the will is there. Let[s face it, in the Western conference Winnipeg ain’t gonna make the playoffs, they have to build for a bleak future.


    • Ozmodiar says:

      I’m not sure I’d make any of those trades, but I think you’re pretty close on the market value.

      Much better than the proposals being thrown around the other day. Kane for:
      Gallagher, DLR, Scherbak, 1st

      Consider the return for Bobby Ryan. Keep in mind, Ryan was a 4 time 30 goal scorer and Olympian.
      Silfverberg == DLR
      Noesen == Scherbak
      1st == 1st

      Comparing the proposal above to the Ryan trade, the Habs add Gally for the hell of it, despite Ryan having a higher value.

      • Habfan17 says:

        If Bergevin was foolish enough to offer Gallagher, DLR, Sherbak and a first, Winnipeg would have the deal done in a heart beat! Watching Sherbak, his hockey IQ, work ethic, desire to learn and his skill, it would be a big mistake to trade him. Kane is no way comparable to Carter when he was first traded. Whoever suggested that trade, really over valued Kane.


  38. Habitant in Surrey says:

    went fishin’ with the Kidz today. Haven’t thought of the @RogersPetition until now.

    All good things come to an end, I guess 🙂

    Props to these most recent Habs Fans whom found some time on a beautiful hot summer day to support The Cause 🙂

    If You are house-bound with a sun-burn or can’t take the mosquitoes outside Your tent, or have spiked Your lemon-aid a little too liberally, please take a moment to sign if You haven’t already 🙂

    Jim Stewart
    just now

    mark hammond
    just now

    Francis Lee
    just now

    chuck acker
    just now

    Josh Melnik
    just now

    Veronique Agirdly
    3 minutes ago

    Vivian Farn
    2 hours ago

    Joseph Balsano
    3 hours ago

    Marco, Canada
    4 hours ago

    Michael Fischer, Canada
    6 hours ago

    Petition To Protest Roger’s Blacking Out Of Habs’ Games On RDS West Of Quebec

    Read and sign at; http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Jimmy Stewart should be able to march this petition right down to Ottawa and get this dealt with Christopher, you’ve had some important people sign up my friend!

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        Yes, AND He came all the way back from the dead to sign it too. Now Jimmy was an extraordinarily dedicated Hab’s Fan.

        In Mr. Smith Goes To Washington, if You look closely, You may catch a glimpse of the CH on His undershirt 🙂

        Trying to convince Jimmy to filibuster Harper to intercede.

  39. frontenac1 says:

    Anybody else keep getting this pop up of the Ottawa Red Blacks season opener sold out? That would be a good time in the new stadium. Any of you Ottawa amigos going?

    • mark-ID says:

      Im getting it also Front. Not sure if it’s just if you live close to Ottawa that you get it or not.
      I would love to go to the game….but it’s already sold out. I guess I could always try off a scalper.

      “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

    • HabinBurlington says:

      How does the new stadium look? Is it at the same location as Frank Claire was?

      • frontenac1 says:

        Apparently it is really good Burly. $4.50 Pints too. I will be heading up in the fall to catch a game. Will keep you posted.Saludos!

      • Hobie says:

        It still looks half finished, wooden frame, piles of dirt, when I drive past on my bike every weekend. Looking forward to drinking a few cold ones there soon though. The Ottawa 67s arena is below the grandstands and was also completely renovated. Should be good in a couple more months.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I think Hamilton has to play 2 home games at McMaster as their stadium also is not yet complete. Quite the turnover in the CFL for stadiums. The only real old school stadiums left are Mosaic in Regina, McMahon in Calgary and Commonwealth in Edmonton.

          There had been lots of talk in Saskatchewan about a new one, haven’t heard recently where that is at.

    • kevin says:

      Ok guys and gals, someone must have been at the prospects camp to watch, any opinions? observations?


    • CJ says:

      Not going to the home opener Front, but will give it a chance at some point. I still can’t believe the stadium will be ready for next week. They had an open house and I understand that there is lots of work to do. I really hope it works, but sports in Ottawa just don’t seem to mix.

  40. frontenac1 says:

    I miss Staubitz. He was a crowd pleaser.

  41. Ian Cobb says:

    August 1st for PK .

    No matter what, Subban is going to be a Hab for a long time, and this just forces the issue. Subban’s arbitration hearing is set for August 1st, meaning we have 21 days to to talk about what kind of money he could get. It’s likely we’ll have a bit less than that because the Canadiens definitely do not want to go to arbitration with Subban, they want a long term deal.

  42. Ian Cobb says:

    1600 protest the cuts to Hab’s televised games! so far. Just from this site!

  43. Un Canadien errant says:

    Two advantages of bonuses are that they are lockout proof, and buyout proof.

    Not sure why this technicality exists, but as I understand it, when an owner locks out players, they don’t show up to work, so they don’t get paid. But the signing bonus is thought to exist outside of that, separate from a ‘wage’. They receive it for signing the contract, which they’ve done, so the obligation still rests on the owner to pay that bonus, even though there is no work being performed, and a wage required in return.

    Shea Weber got all his money during the lockout, or almost. He was owed $14M in 2012-13, with 13 of that as signing bonus, and 1 mill as his salary. So he got the 13 on July 1, and about half a million as his wage once the lockout was over.


    The Flyers had structured the contract in this manner when they submitted their offer sheet to scare off the Preds, who they hoped couldn’t stomach that with a lockout all but certain, and wouldn’t match.

    As far as buyouts, we found this out with the Dave Clarkson contract, when it came out of Toronto that his contract was basically buyout-proof, in that most of his money comes as signing bonuses. When you get bought out you receive 2/3 of your salary amount, but 100% of your bonus amounts. So Mr. Clarkson’s agent got him a contract that the Leafs can’t buy out, they won’t save any money or cap hit.


    One final consideration is that if a player gets suspended terminated for cause, let’s say for conduct detrimental to the team, or for criminality, some situations call for the contract to be voided, but the bonus itself can still be owed. I think in the NHL the point is moot, since the contracts are guaranteed, I can’t think of any situations where this would apply, but in the NFL, it’s an important factor.

    Aaron Hernandez had just signed a massive contract with the Patriots before he got arrested. A lot of that money came in the form of bonuses. Observers agree that the ‘guaranteed’ money won’t be paid, since Mr. Hernandez put himself in a position where he can’t provide the services in return for his wage, but most think that the Pats are on the hook for the bonus money, which is a significant portion of the total amount. This will end up in court, and will take years to settle, but there’s a strong case to be made by Aaron Hernandez’s lawyers that he or his family should receive his bonus money.

    So when we whine about how long P.K.’s contract is taking to be hammered out, we need to understand that these documents are really complex. And those players who think that they don’t need an agent, they can just look on CapGeek and figure it out themselves, it’s obvious that a good agent is worth his percentage. At least Dave Clarkson thinks so.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige


  44. DipsyDoodler says:

    Who is this off-season’s Konopka?

    Or more to the point, why isn’t there a Konopka this off-season?

    Moving. Forward.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Konopka season opens later, around August 1, when we look at the obvious hole in the roster that the doofus GM fails to see, and a white knight arises that is the only reasonable solution to this problem. In the mind of half of the membership of HIO.

      • DipsyDoodler says:

        It should be recorded forever that some members of this site wanted us to sign Shawn Thornton.

        Moving. Forward.

        • johnnylarue says:

          Recent polls also indicate that Rob Ford still has the support of 25% (or more) of voters in the GTA, so it’s safe to say humanity is not out of the woods just yet…

        • PK says:

          Hey Dipsy, regarding Thornton – I think Habs Fans were looking at him to be the next water boy ….. not to play hockey.
          Subbie had put a good word in for him.

          >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
          _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

          “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

          – Nostradamus, 1552

    • habs_54321 says:

      malholtra? white?

      • PK says:

        You mean “Malhotra replaces White?”


        Should Habs have kept “Malhotra and White?”

        >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
        _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

        “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

        – Nostradamus, 1552

    • HabFab says:

      Isn’t Konopka under league suspension for substance abuse?

    • CharlieHodgeFan says:

      I don’t know which goon they are going to sign, but clearly, he should be Captain.

  45. Cal says:

    Is it just me or shouldn’t there be a little more news about the development camp on this site?
    Yeah, it’s July 10th, but so what? We are 3 months away from the regular season starting and we have a chance to get a look at the new prospects. Instead, awkward silence.

  46. Ozmodiar says:

    Stamkos did play on TJ’s wing during the playoffs, but he’s been a full-time centerman for a while now.

    • Chris says:

      He has, but I wonder if that is going to continue with Filppula and TJ as legitimate top-6 centres.

      One thing I always felt about Mats Sundin: as good as he was (and he was one of the top players in the league), he would have been even better had he been kept as a left winger. I remember the 1993 series against the Habs, and Sundin was absolutely dominant. He posted a big point total that season playing a lot of wing, and he was so fast and strong that he was able to routinely cut to the net from the wing: think a stronger, faster, and more talented Erik Cole.

      Stamkos has that same vibe: he is unquestionably an elite centre, but his speed and shot off the wing just make him so devastating. It is a pleasant problem for the Lightning to have: leave him in the middle, where he’s a top-5 NHL centre, or put him on the wing, where he is the best winger in the sport. Either way, they win.

      Drouin coming up this season might force them to move Stamkos back to centre and use Filpulla as a third line centre. Still a good option for them, as they have another trio of good offensive youngsters (Namestnikov, Kucherov and Connolly) that will be pushing for spots this year. Tampa Bay is getting to be a very, very deep team.

  47. habs001 says:

    The goal in todays NHL is to make the playoffs and see what happens..With 30 teams there will be many teams in the far future that have not won the cup in 70/80 years..Just like many other teams the Habs can win it in the next few years or not win it in the next 40plus…

  48. shiram says:

    Darren DregerVerified account ‏@DarrenDreger

    Cleary signs with Red Wings. $1.5 plus $1M I’m games bonuses.one year

  49. shiram says:

    Kane Toews salary breakdown:


    Basically, 44 million in signing bonuses, and 40 millions in salary.

    • bwoar says:

      Not sure why there isn’t a problem with having a larger signing bonus than the actual salary in the contract. Seems bizarre to me.

      • mark-ID says:

        Is there an advantage to the signing bonus though? It still ends up being the same cap hit doesn’t it. Only difference is player gets a chunck of money at once. Unless there is more to it?

        “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

        • shiram says:

          It’s advantageous for players as they get their money no matter what, and they get it in one go, at the start of the season.

          For GMs it’s a bargaining tool.

          • mark-ID says:

            Oh ok, also I guess the richer teams have an easier time giving these bonuses, which I guess the players like…..

            “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

          • bwoar says:

            That’s one reason it makes no sense – it’s just like the old front-loading trick (The trick that got Keith Tkachuk from Winnipeg to St. Louis) and they’ve been trying to stamp that out. The NHL sure has some contradictory rules for contracts.

        • DipsyDoodler says:

          May have to do with escrow.

          Moving. Forward.

  50. on2ndthought says:

    Have we traded PK for Phaneuf yet?

    “a cannonading drive”

  51. Mavid ® says:

    90 from jolly old E-n-g-l-a-n-d

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  52. JohnBellyful says:

    I think the headline shoulda been:
    ‘Robben tries to rip goalie a new one after being robbed’

  53. SmartDog says:

    Weaver may not be tall (though it should be pointed out that he’s taller than Gionta, Gallagher, Frankie), but man he’s one solid looking dude. He’s got arms like Riddick!

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  54. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Enough of Vanek.

    Lets ask what Kovalev thinks about Pleks as a play maker or goal scorer…

    Vanek is nothing but a floater and he gave no effort with any line mates. So I can give a rats ____ what Over rated floater Vanek thinks about anyone of our players 😀

    • Luke says:

      I also could not give a Rat’s Ripped Anus what Vanek thinks.

      He’s supposed to be the elite player, he should be elevating Plex, not relying on Plex to spark his offense.

      Heck, Plex was already playing Vanek’s defense.

      (This reply, truthfully, was mostly just an excuse to type Rat’s Ripped Anus).

  55. krob1000 says:

    EOTP had a pretty good twitter account of camp today….

  56. krob1000 says:

    Chris…to rekindle your Ovie vs Toews, Crosby,Kane,etc ont he international stage I could not disagree more. All of the guys not named Ovie are just as likely to pass teh puck as shoot it. Russia did not have teh top forwards IMO…they had the top group of goalscorers..but only Datsyuk for me is a guy whose style makes those around him better. I think Ovechkin is an opportunist, an incredibly skilled palyer a Super KEssel(bigger, stronger, meaner, etc) if you will…..a guy who has perhaps the best skillset in the world offensively..but whose game is not a winning style.

    The Corsby’s, Toews, Kane, Datsyuk,etc,etc…they are winners…their style makes those who play witht hem better, they lead by example and they win because of it. Ovechkin for me is perhaps the most talented goal scoer but that is it, he often furstrates teammates when he doesn;t consider passing, he overstays almost every shift, he takes dumb penalties, he mopes and seems to have a me vs the world mentality on the ice vs a team mentality. From what I have seen of Ovechkin over the years I see maybe the most talented golascorer in the game (stamkos noa wa rival…but take notice of Stamkos alredy more complete game..to me he too is a winner).
    Winning players are not always winners …taht much of your position I willa gree with…I view guys like Saku Koivu, Thomas Plekanec, Andrei Markov as winners….even Brian Gionta. These are guys who contribute multiple of the game…it is not enough to be good at one thing. This is where the Patrick Kane debate gets intersting…he is not as rounded as the others….BUT…he is clutch….he is as likely to set up the winning goal as score it, he is not a liability to put on the ice, he will not overstay his shift by 30 seconds and not be unable to backcheck. he will not ever decide Iam going to take this over by myself…he has that skill…and sometimes does it but not at the expense of an open teammate. None of the guys I mention do.

    Ovechkin to me has fallen out of favour over the years….his attitude changed dramatically after losing what appeared to be a head to head Corsby competition early in their careers. People loved Ovie for his charisma, his flair…but his style did not lead to winning when it mattered, he did not make his teamamtes better.

    If given the choice between Kane and Ovie….in fact there are probably 30 players I would start my team with before Ovechkin anymore. I view Ovechkin exactly as I view Kovalchuk now….only slightly better.

    I think winning is a product of having a great team but if the bets palyers are not leaders…then it will not happen. I think even guys like Koivu and PLkes have shown on the international stage an ability to augment their game.

    Re your comments about Crosby and Toews “struggling” in international play…that I take huge exception to…..both Toews and Crosby played within Canada’s gameplan which was defensive in nature..can’t say I can see Ovie buying into that….and/or leading the way in playing that style..that is one of the attributes I beleive OVie is missing…Ovie palys like OVie…the other guys play however they have to win.

  57. shiram says:

    More on AHL rules change:
    AHL rule changes include ejection for two fights, penalty for staying on ice if helmet is knocked off and OT changes


    “Full playing strength will be 4-on-4 until the first whistle following three minutes of play (4:00 remaining), at which time full strength will be reduced to 3-on-3 for the duration of the overtime period.”
    Shootout remains after that 7 minutes period.

    “An automatic game misconduct will be applied to any player who has been assessed two major penalties for fighting or three major penalties for any infraction in the same game.”

    “A player on the ice whose helmet comes off during play will be assessed a minor penalty unless he immediately (a) exits the playing surface or (b) puts the helmet back on with the chin strap properly fastened.”

  58. shiram says:

    James MirtleVerified account ‏@mirtle

    AHL approves some rule changes today. Overtime becomes seven minutes and teams switch ends.

    Could this be a tryout, and if it works be done in the NHL too?

    • knob says:

      Intersting. Any idea that eliminates the shoot-out is a good idea.

    • CJ says:

      Looks like switching ends before OT.

      Seven minutes 4×4, followed by three minutes of 3×3. Shootout to follow. AHL also uses a five man shootout, unlike the NHL (three man).

      • D Mex says:

        Ice clean – or scrape ? If not, it’s probably a matter of time before some kind of nonsense with ice occurs in the defensive zone(s) before OT.
        Of course, there will be embellishment issues thrown in for good measure as well if Julien’s involved … :~)

        ALWAYS Habs –
        D Mex

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