Markov the big ?

Markov

The Hockey Writers lists 30 questions for the Eastern Conference.
The Canadiens’ entry: Andrei Markov’s health.

“Markov is an elite scorer, underrated in his own zone and the difference between being a borderline playoff team and having a cushion to work with.”

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Canada lost a great man yesterday.

(Photo of Jack Layton by the late Shaun Best of Reuters)

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Apologies to HIO readers for last night’s technical SNAFU.

It won’t happen once the puck drops.

We hope.

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• The Hockey News lists Top 10 Eastern Conference trade candidates, including AK46 and Mike Komisarek

EotP on Jarred Tinordi

CBC on the legendary Maurice Richard

Saint Patrick POed … again

THN says Leafs will be 10th

Ovechkin to become Mr. Big

Will Sidney Crosby be at camp?

Is Crosby return worth the risk?

Dave Scatchard, another sad concussion story

586 Comments

  1. naweed235 says:

    So we haven’t had any updates on Markov’s recovery lately… If anyone is more informed on the subject please share… I really hope that this time around we do not rush him back in the line up… even if he needs an extra month from the start of season let him have it… I think our roster can handle themselves without Markov for a while… but once he does come back that would be like NOS boost for the team… like a superstar trade that did’nt require any return.. .MAN I CANT WAIT TILL THE GODDAMN PUCK DROPS!!!!

  2. pierre lapuck says:

    To Mr. Bugs;
    Positing polarizing positions (how’s my alliteration?) is never popular and may often have the undesired result of the appearance of creatures from the nether regions of intelligence and conduct. I do apologize for their remarks toward you, from one human to another.

  3. TorontoHabsFan says:

    For those wondering why the Blue Jays just traded Aaron Hill and John McDonald to Arizona for Kelly Johnson – Anthopolous is just fixing a long-standing team deficiency. Since the retirement of Gruber and the trading of Shannon Stewart that team has been dangerously low on players with girl’s names.

    Another homerun for Anthopolous!

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Aaron Hill had to be on something the year he had that monster year? Hasn’t come close since.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I think rather the aftereffects of his serious concussion. Just the same I dont think we will see Justin Morneau be the player he was prior to concussion.

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        I can’t remember now, was his big season before or after his concussion?

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Before.
          Edit: I am wrong concussion was 2008, big year 2009. I guess I need to reassess why he has sucked lately.

          • TorontoHabsFan says:

            Thanks. I thought so. Man, I hope ol’ Snarf (the l’il lady and I always thought he looked like Snarf of Thundercats fame in his Jumbotron photo) turns it around.

            Anthopolous apparently stated that he might still try and bring both back as Free Agents – which, and I’m by no means an expert on compensation, means that Johnson will at very worst net them a compensation draft pick.

            I sure hope McDonald becomes a coach/instructor with the team. It’s pretty much impossible to hate that guy.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Hill had two nice years in a row before the concussion. Hitting in the .290 range. 17 Homers in the year prior to concussion. Then came back and had the huge year hitting in the 280′s with over 30dingers. However, since that year he has looked lost.

            Johnson whom they are acquiring like Hill and Macdonald are free agents this summer.

            Johnson’s numbers have fallen off this year also, kind of weird trade in losing the ultimate platoon infielder Johnny Mac.

            I think this team may call up the Cuban kid Hecchavarria next year and perhaps put Escobar at 2nd and let this Hecchavarria display his Ozzie Smith like talents at short.

          • TorontoHabsFan says:

            Hechevarria (sp?) has apparently been hitting much better since being called up to AAA. The coach there (Fasano?) apparently has tweaked his swing a little bit which has made his swing more relaxed. That being said, Anthopolous has said that he fully intends Adeiny to spend all of next season at AAA…so who knows? Looks like 2B will remain a question mark for the time being.

            I wonder if Encarnacion will come back as DH? He really seems to be a LOT more comfortable there than in the field – where he’s atrocious as an everyday player.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Hard for me to believe in Encarnacion, been great lately but looked disinterested the past 2-3 years. Would love to Rogers actually spend some money and go after Prince Fielder. Chad Mattola is the hitting coach in Vegas that seems to have helped turn the kids swing around. Amazing, couldn’t hit out of a wet paper bag last 2 years and now for 3 weeks ripping cover off the ball. If this is for real, i think they call him up sooner, AA i think is trying to keep pressure of kid.

        • CanadienBoy says:

          36 homers before the concu.. 2009 the years

    • CanadienBoy says:

      This Anthopolous guy is on a mission

      • HabinBurlington says:

        He is not afraid of making changes is he.
        Edit: I heard A’s were putting Harden on waivers. I know he only has 2 good starts this year, both against Jays, but I think i would take a flyer on him. I wonder if moving Johnny Mac and Hill makes room to claim him.

        • TorontoHabsFan says:

          Yes, I would agree. Toronto needs some help in the rotation.

          They still need a legitimate #1 starter, and the team has a tonne of prospects…the kind that teams looking to trade a #1 starter always look for.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Oakland pulled him from Waivers, cleveland put in a claim and they coudn’t work out a trade.

            Yah, pitching still very weak behind Romero/Morrow.

            Maybe we get lucky and McGowan can make a comeback. Need Drabek to bounce back next year.

  4. OneTimer says:

    I don’t want to be a downer, but I would have loved to have a beer with Jack. :(

  5. eschneidman says:

    Check out a postage stamp of Markov from the 2008 IIHF World Championships at my web site.

    Check out my web site at http://www.CanadiensMemorabilia.Com

  6. Hobie Hansen says:

    @ Bugs, I think we’ve all said some things on here that maybe a couple hours later didn’t seem like the brightest idea.

    There’s a handful of things that I have written after a stressful few hours at work that I look back on when I’m in a better mood and wonder what i was thinking.

    Usually about hockey though :-)

  7. Everlasting1 says:

    I know how Bugs feels tackling THAT subject. The opposing hate, the ignorance, the stubbornness, and the dismissing of the hard evidence, or lack thereof. The majority will always believe the official reports, no matter how dismissive and irrational the conclusions, ie. a steel structured 47 story govt building collapsing at freefall speed due to a few scattered fires.
    Never in history has ANY steel structured building collapsed due to a fire. There were 3 on that fateful day.

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    “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

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      • Everlasting1 says:

        Yes, that would be me, but with more hair.

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        “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • tobbs says:

      Never has a 47 story building been bumped full of jet full and lit on fire either to see what happens. “few scattered fires” LOL, please, yeah your cool because you think different. Get a life man.

      • Everlasting1 says:

        Building 7 was struck by a plane?? There’s that prime example of ignorance.
        If you were referring to the Towers, the great majority, if not all the jet fuel burned up on impact – hence the big FIREBALL.

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        “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • Bugs says:

        I just realized: Tub, you have no clue what we’re talkin about, do you?
        No plane hit WTC 7.
        But the SAME reason was given for its collapse as was for WTC Towers 1 and 2, that is, structural failure due to fire.
        Good grief, all this time wasted with you…

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  8. Un Canadien errant says:

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    http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy

    Sign in, click on fantasy football, click on join a league, then search the private leagues for ours, draft is held Sunday September 4 at 1300 hr Eastern, 1000 hr Pacific. Password is: Donald Dufresne

    Word.

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    ———————————
    For my training camp surprise, I want the second coming of Mike McPhee. And maybe Kent Carlson.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  9. HFX-HabFan says:

    Hmmm…I see Bugs has had another “productive” day. In the same way he doesn’t bring much to hockey discussions, he’s pretty harmless with all this conspiracy theory stuff. Leave him be.

  10. LA Loyalist says:

    weird question.

    Saw Chris Chelios play in a charity game Sat night. Lots of fun. My question is, I know he is of Greek heritage, but his skin looks like he fell in a vat of cheap “Man Tan” stuff, it was a weird orange color. Having never seen him live, is this normal?

    Yeah, it’s a slow hockey day.

    • shiram says:

      You need to get your avatar back, it’s as if you lost all your personality without your avatar…

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • im pretty sure not having an avatar is not why la loyalist is lacking in personality

        • shiram says:

          I usually notice the avatar before the name, plus those grey icons are drab.

          If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • LA Loyalist says:

            Actually guys, I’ve narrowed it down to 2 new ones for the new season, but I have been unable to re-load it on Gravatar. I’ll try again on the weekend.

            But thank you for noticing. It’s not easy coming up with a good one, as there are lots of good ones on HIO.

            I like yours especially, Shiram, is it poutine?

          • shiram says:

            Sure is, and I might have changed it, but I feel people have grown accustomed to it, and they associate it with me.

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • Chrisadiens says:

            Don’t change the avatar Shiram! Its your trademark.

            Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  11. diehardhab says:

    Remember last year the outrage on the HIO commentariat when the habs traded Cedrick Desjardins?! LOL

    The torch be yours to hold it high!

  12. Pelicans says:

    I am done with Markov. Most other teams would be too I would think. Good player though when healthy.

    Halak, White and Muller for life!

  13. Bugs says:

    I wanna apologize for upsetting anyone today. I know that I did. It wasn’t my intention to do that however.
    I was quite content with leaving things at my FIRST post, where I accused no one yet laid out questions that would invariably lead to implications it wasn’t my design to attribute anywhere nor to anybody. And only in context with the approaching anniversary.
    However, some of you mocked me, put words in my mouth, even spewed curses of death at me, and/or otherwise insulted my intelligence by labeling me a conspiracy theorist TO THE SAME DEGREE (I’ll have you know) that the OFFICIAL “conspiracy theory” stands (for what is 19 men working and planning together under orders from a man in a cave halfway around the world BUT a conspiracy theory?), and this is the reason I responded to all.
    But for the record: I accuse no one. I just have questions that in my mind, the official report did an extremely poor job at answering.
    That’s all I said. Didn’t want to incite a riot over this delicate subject; sorry if I may have.
    Please forgive my irresponsible behaviour in that regard.

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • The Dude says:

      In the off season it’s all cool Bugs and like always you make it fun round here. On other blog sites it gets down and dirty “peoples calling each other fags and everyone joining in”and yes there seems to be a level of rudeness ascertained on blog site’s due to the safety of one own home and keyboard . 911 IS ONE TOUCHY SUBJECT for a lot of folks worldwide and something I’ll NEVER FORGET cause man Babylon was burning that day !Lets just leave it as like John Lennon say’s “All we need is love” and work on having a great rest of the day!

    • Rob says:

      I think the real issue here is that you were getting frustrated by how people were unwilling to question this “important” event. But if it really was that important then why did you only become aware of it a “few days ago” and not 10 years ago like many of us? As usual, it’s when we try to show ourselves as informed that we usually seem least so.

      The Montreal Canadiens: sporting the best AND worst fans since 1909!

      • “But if it really was that important then why did you only become aware of it a “few days ago” and not 10 years ago like many of us?”

        thats the crux for me

        the debate is pretty much dead, both “sides” have their positions and have had so for years now… i mean the south park episode about it aired when? 2007?

      • Bugs says:

        Because the mainstream media didn’t make a big deal out of the things they should’ve and I agree that part of the responsibility for that is on me.
        But it’s also on them, according to some sort of oath they take to Inform the People since apparently, they have a Right to Know.
        While I always suspected that something was fishy, I didn’t see the galvanizing EVIDENCE until a few days ago, when I searched it for myself, much in the same way that a lot of folks have come to it.
        And I think THAT aspect of it especially, is a frightening piece of evidence unto itself.
        Because funny enough, there was NEVER any shortage of blaming it all on Osama over those 10 years, was there?
        And what do we do with international fugitives suspected of murdering 3000 people? Capture him and bring him to trial to stand for his crimes?
        Ha!
        No. Why, we creep up on him unarmed in the middle of the night with a SEAL team, murder the heck out of him and then (this is the best part) TAKE THE BODY out into the MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN, tie a rock around the ankle, and dump it, thereby making sure it cannot be recovered ever, identified, or especially not questioned with ANYTHING to do with the crimes of 911.
        Perfectly, perfectly normal. There is absolutely NOTHING to question about that. That’s how we do things in free democracy.
        C’mon, man…

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • LA Loyalist says:

          The problem with any conspiracy is that humans are incapable of keeping secrets. A conspiracy as vast as the Truthers suggest is beyond our abilities as human beans.

          That is reality. That and an image of Dick Chaney (he of 17 heart attacks) in a wet suit is, well, stretching things a little :-)

          • Bugs says:

            Depends how many are keeping the secret, how they’re controlling the flow of (mis) or (dis)information, and whether or not they profit by spilling the beans.
            Also, dead men tell no tales.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • why do you say conspiracies must be vast, how many clandestine operations have you been involved in?

            anywhoo compartmentalisation exists for a reason

        • Rob says:

          I am not disagreeing with you. I feel that, at the very least, there is a possibility that the US government is partly responsible for some of the events surrounding 9/11, and that many of those have scary implications if true. I am also aware that there is at least a possibility that I am wrong. Either way, events such as this have shaped my habit of questioning everything I see and hear. I choose to do this because I think it is what all people should do. Naturally, then, I wish all people would do the same; however, I’m fully aware that in wishing this, I am essentially wishing for people to be more like me, which can come off as, at least slightly, arrogant. As a result I TRY not to push my opinions on others anymore (I certainly used to, and still do from time to time), as I have found very little evidence of people changing their minds or opinions based on being beaten over the head with what they “should” be doing or thinking. But thats just my opinion. Maybe I’m wrong and your way works best.

          The Montreal Canadiens: sporting the best AND worst fans since 1909!

          • Bugs says:

            I just think it’s important that folks look at the evidence that I saw.
            1) How did Bldg 7 come down?
            2) Why is there molten steel spewing and dripping out of Tower 2 and why was it found in the rubble weeks afterward if fire does not burn steel?
            3) Why is the concrete pulverized into dust and laden with thermitic residue?
            4) What hit the Pentagon on the FIRST floor without causing an appropriate hole nor leaving ANY debris whatsoever on the pristine lawn?
            5) Where are Flts 77, 93, 175 and 11 and where are their passengers?
            I think these are very, very important questions considering we went to war as a consequence.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • Rob says:

            Agreed. And I just think that a) you maybe could have gone about presenting the question differently, and b) you need to account for the possibility that many people have already asked those questions to themselves many times and come up with their opinions already.

            The Montreal Canadiens: sporting the best AND worst fans since 1909!

          • Bugs says:

            Well, Rob, I sure would like to see those folks’ evidence that adequately support those opinions, should they be in accordance with the official report.
            Because I would rather believe THAT evidence than the evidence I saw over these last few days.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • G-Man says:

          A hot conspiracy theory on a dull day in August? Why not?

          Markov + Gomez for Mikko Koivu! There, that’s mine. :)

    • Everlasting1 says:

      Don’t apologize..you can’t have a rational discussion on some subjects here without being insulted. It’s their way.

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      “God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • caladin says:

      I’d be fine with this apology if you hadn’t said some really nasty things after posting it. The problem, bugs, is that you don’t have enough respect for us to consider that we might have done some research also, maybe even more than you have in…oh that’s right a few days.
      You spent today pushing this issue way beyond anything the response merited, and I’m guessing it entertained you. Hijacking the agenda of a hockey forum in the dog days of summer is fine, but the nasty way you did it has me personally I’m wishing there was an ignore list on this site, you’d be my first (and only so far) addition.

      Just remember-wherever you go: there you are.
      -Buckaroo Bonzai.

      • Bugs says:

        Golly, what’d I say? Only stood up for myself when called names or otherwise discredited for having questions, Cally.
        I haven’t inferred, implied or suggested anything. Only brought up facts. Science. Indisputable natural law… that just so happens to go against a…a…an ETHOS in the world at this stage, responsible for MILLIONS of people’s outlook and core beliefs. For this, I am branded as “nasty”?
        Pff. I’ll take it. Because the same rules apply when talkin about hockey: an opinion is just that, and debating is fun, but if you insult me for merely putting a delicate subject on the table or otherwise attempt to discredit me for exposing my view should it be contrary to your own ( I say “you” but it doesn’t mean “you”-you) and I will defend myself vehemently, Cally, as would anyone. Only natural.
        But your quote, though… I got it from Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. What gives?

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  14. Test number 2.

    edit: Working now. Didn’t change anything. Randomly wasn’t posting my comments for about 45 mins on firefox 6.0. No idea why.

  15. HabinBurlington says:

    What is the longterm plan for the Bulldogs. I thought I read someone here post that Montreal plans on bringing them closer to the Montreal area.

    • There were rumours about about bringing them to Laval last year but as far as I know they were only rumours.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Did some more fishing, apparantly the owner of the Dawgs (I know wrong, but big Ugga fan) said if the NHL comes to Hamilton he would then consider moving closer to Montreal and because Laval is building a new arena they had or were going to have discussions.

        • avatar_58 says:

          Kind of hoping the Katz group takes over as they had discussed. Maybe put some actual money into Copps and you know, ADVERTISE that we even have a bloody team.

          Funny how the city was so damned adamant to keep the Ti-Cats around but doesn’t give two shites about the Dogs.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Agree 58. I plan to go to a few more games this year, but really amazing how run down Copps already is. I am surprised at how little attendance the team gets. I suspect the poison of Leafland is partial to blame. Looking forward to watching Palushaj, Diaz, Avstin play this year. Hopefully Leblanc as well. The owner of the Dogs though is some Andlauer fellow, in articles I found they list him as a small share owner in the Habs as well?

  16. This is a test.

    edit: Hmmm…. How frustrating, apparently the problem is with firefox.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Markov is worth the risk. If we didn’t sign him I would have been dissapointed. He will be back. I think he came back to quick last time and it set him up for the next injury.
      I am still made that I wasted a Hockey pool draft pick on him last year though. lol

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Agree, absolutely was rushed back last time. I suppose I can’t say absolute, but it appears he was. I wasn’t the only one then that took him in a pool and got burnt, good to know. Of course my 1st round pick was Parise…..

  17. savethepuck says:

    So I see today that any post hockey related today get’s few or no replies, but when I start to read a non hockey related post ( which I don’t finish), I have to scroll down thru over 20 replies to read the next post which is usually not hockey related either. Is there nothing in the articles above, that anyone wants to discuss today?

    “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

  18. SeriousFan09 says:

    Okay, let’s turn our focus towards some hockey:

    Which prospects are you looking forward to watching in pre-season action?

    I’d like to get a real look at Beaulieu myself, but also have an interest in what Avtsin has done to his game since last year. Tinordi is of interest with reports of his solid Team USA camp, like to see if he’s added bulk on so he can check more effectively. I have an interest in Darren Dietz, I’d like to see firsthand how he plays his game. And naturally, I want my favourite dark horse Gallagher to get in on a game.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I wasnt’ impressed with Avistin last year at all. He looked out of place. He is young, in a strange land and probably doesn’t speak English and it is a different game so it will be interesting to see if he plays hockey a lot better this year.

      I am most excited about seeing Yemelin play. There is a lot of hype but the proof will be in the pudding. time to see what he is made of.

      I am also curious to see about Ian Schultz. His brother is a good D man in the NHL so I am hoping Ian will shape up to be a good 3rd or 4th line guy but he will have to play a lot better than he did last year with the dogs.

      I also want to see what Webber doe this year as well. I hope they play him and if not trade him somewhere where he can play

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Schultz is currently in my bubble category, reports are so far he has done nothing to erase the conditioning issues he had at last year’s camp and that’s an issue. You can make it in the NHL if you can only fight and check but not if you’re out of shape, not anymore.

        Agree, Yemelin is of interest but he’s not a prospect to me, just part of the roster. Would like a solid camp to feel better about the start of the season of course. I think Weber will get played, just to raise his value so that if he is moved, PG can get more value for him.

        - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • Kooch7800 says:

          That is crazy that Schultz can be that out of shape considering his brother plays in the NHL. You would think he would learn and train with him. I wonder if his brother is out of shape as well. If he is out of shape again I think you are right he will be a bubble prospect.

          Would about Paulisj (sp?)?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Enqvist, Tinordi, Avtsin. Hoping that Enqvist is able to soon go from prospect to good role player for habs.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Skating/strength was an issue, will depend how he approached his training in the offseason. If he’s boosted his faceoff ability, he could just make the team out of camp as well. He was a big favourite of new assistant Randy Cunneyworth and the go-to defensive forward in Hamilton all of last year.

        - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      If Yemelin is a prospect then: Yemelin.

    • Talik Sanis says:

      Though he is a man, and a professional, Yemelin is the “prospect” whom I am most interested in seeing play on North American Ice. I wonder if he will have difficulty transitioning into a more positional style of play.

      Tinordi is second in line. Conflicting reports about his first junior season and a mixture of praise for his performance at the US development camp and criticisms of his overly-aggressive play have left me unsure what to make of him. I look forward to making some first hand judgements.

      I would also like to see some of Bournival’s reported grit and tenacity. Berger also interests me, if only to see if his skating is actually as bad as the video from a few days ago suggests.

    • savethepuck says:

      The prospects you are mentioning are probably at least 2 to 3 years from NHL ready. Although I am very happy we have these promising guys in our pipeline, I will wait til they turn pro (AHL) before I follow their progress too closely. I will guage Beaulieu, Tinordi etc.. @ the WJHC, and If a few of these guys wow me at the WJHC. I’ll be happy because that’s where I plan to watch them. In traing camp I am more interested in seeing the players that are closer to “NHL Ready”.
      Enqvist, Palushaj, Trotter, Blunden ( Can someone fill our vacant 4th line spot or extra forward opening?). On D I am curious to see
      Emelin, Diaz, Weber’s development etc…
      “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

  19. j2c says:

    Jersey question here. I have just ordered a Subban white jersey from a site called hockeymonkey.com . This jersey is a present for my fiance and I want to make sure I got a good deal. It was $140 plus shipping for the jersey and the name and number sown on. Is this a reasonable price for an authentic Subban jersey?

  20. caladin says:

    Trying to compare the defense we think we have this year with the one we thought we had last year.
    Markov now = Markov then
    Subban now > Subban then
    He clearly developed last year.
    Georges now < Georges then
    I think he improved, but his health
    is a question now.
    Gill now = Gill then
    Yemelin now < Hamerlik then
    Spacek now ? Picard then?
    Overall I think our D is worse than the D we expected this time last year, but hopefully this year they stay healthy

    • Talik Sanis says:

      Gorges may well be better now than he was. While it certainly could be nothing more than the typical tight-lipped response from a player returning from a serious injury, he stated that he feels better now than at any point after his initial injury almost eight years ago. I wonder if the injury did actually hinder him, even if only slightly, for all these years.

      And there is no question in my mind that Spacek, even at his age, is better than Picard.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I think it is very possible that Yemelin is a better replacement than Hamrlik. This is to take nothing away from Hammer’s consistency, but the edge Yemelin can bring is unique. Gorges essentially replaces much of what Hamrlik brought.

        Our Defense I think will be better than last years. Depending on what Diaz proves to be, we may have callups we can bring in rather than trades if injuries arise.

    • D Mex says:

      I posted late yesterday on the Leblanc thread that I had seen a piece on the local news re : NHLers who reside or spend offseason time in Kelowna. A pair of ex-Rockets, Shea Weber and Josh Gorges, were interviewed on camera at a local high-performance training center.

      JG commented on 4 months of extra gym time due to rehab from the surgery and said he will be leaving soon for Montréal. He is using a brace to support the knee and appeared upbeat and in good shape. I will be at the same venue next week and will post update(s) if there’s anything of interest.

      ALWAYS Habs -
      D Mex

    • LA Loyalist says:

      You have to leave health out of it as it is always a question for everyone. Otherwise you will make yourself crazy.

      Imagine being a Pittsburg fan (I know, not easy)

      • D Mex says:

        In context of commenting on the caladin post (above) comparing this season’s D-corps to last season’s, health considerations strike me as relevant, especially where surgical repair to a key member of the D-unit was required.

        IMO, it’s more appropriate for HIO than building 7 and 911 …

        ALWAYS Habs -
        D Mex

  21. Propwash says:

    I wish there was a private message feature on this site.

  22. HabinBurlington says:

    Hobie, you said Gomez was your hero, need proof, autographed Gomez jersey, the barber pole version no less! haha

  23. Psycho29 says:

    I thought this was a Habs (Hockey) site….All this conspiracy theory crap has no business here.

    Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

  24. Hobie Hansen says:

    In a last ditch effort to draw people away for the 9/11 debate…

    Scott Gomez is my hero!!!!

  25. Detritus says:

    Wow – Odd you mention the earthquake.

    Sitting at home ‘working’, and I felt the room start to sway. A little disconcerting! Was the quake in NY? I am on the 16th floor of a condo unit in Hamilton.

  26. Chrisadiens says:

    Just felt an earthquake in upstate NY. Weird feeling.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  27. Detritus says:

    savethepuck — You are very correct, in that we have cap savings largely in part due to our youth (FINALLY!) excelling to the point that they can be counted on as the core of our team.

    However, I have to disagree with your assessment. Teams succeed because of youth. Very true, but its not because youth is inherently better. It’s because youth is inherently cheaper. It means you can effectively ‘stack’ ones team with superstars by paying full price for several top tier players while getting several more top tier players at a discount.

    Having all of this solid youth does us no real benefit if we don’t capitilize on this time of cap lee-way. Top teams are always Top Teams because of average players and young players playing well above their current level of compensation.

    • savethepuck says:

      I see your points, but I just feel that for the first time in a long time I feel really good about this team. i’ve been optimistic the last few years with some “ifs”. This year I am more confident than optimistic. I am obviously confident in goal, I think we’ll have 3 balanced scoring lines with maybe some questions on the 4th line, and a well balanced defensive core. Give some time to see how the pieces we have now work before the money is spent.

      “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

  28. Chorske says:

    There are 911 discussion groups. Lotsa rooms for the rational and irrational alike over on those pages. Why HIO is being cluttered with all this irrelevant nonsense and crazy talk is beyond me. I’d like to ask Bugs and co. to please take this elsewhere. It’s cluttering up some good on-topic posts.

    • JD_ says:

      “Why HIO is being cluttered with all this irrelevant nonsense and crazy talk is beyond me.”

      Has Price v. Halak once again reared its ugly head?

    • Bugs says:

      Ah, but accepting that fire burns steel into molten residue and that a 135ft-wide by 56ft-high plane can fit into a 10ft by 16ft hole in the Pentagon and VAPORIZE into nothingness however, that’s totally NOT crazy, I see.
      Ok, man.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • Chorske says:

        Crazy or not: take it the f*ck elsewhere. It isn’t relevant.

        • Bugs says:

          Does swearing make you feel strong, Chor? Does it make your position…MORE right? You look like you’re getting frazzled. Squirming in the otherwise comforting blanket of lies you decided to believe instead of what science as well as your own eyes are showing you.
          Maybe swear a little bit more, it’ll all go away?
          Here’s an idea: how ’bout YOU “take it somewhere else”, Chor?
          How does that sound?
          Sound good?
          Fabulous.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • Chorske says:

            The swearing is a measure of my exasperation. You’re the spotty geek in the playground poking someone repeatedly, and asking them each time if it bothers them. So: F*CK yes it bothers me. Give it up. Move on.

            Does typing a lot of words make you feel smarter? Or perhaps it’s the alliterative signature? I used to read your posts, and I assure you that you’re a shadow of the poster you once were. We used to speculate about your identity. Now, I can’t believe I wasted a minute of my life on the question.

            I’ll type more slowly so you get it, and without swearing so you actually address the point of the post: move the 911 stuff elsewhere, it is off topic. You’re moving into troll territory.

          • Bugs says:

            You used to read my posts but I’m now a shadow of who I used to be, yes? And that person was someone who DIDN’T ask questions about 911 today, I take it?
            Questions you don’t want to look at.
            And for this, I am a troll, yes? And you are good and great and NOT a shadow of the poster I once was, worthy of still having your posts read, right?
            Am I understanding your reasoning correctly? (and thank you for typing slower)
            If so, all I can say is I’m sorry, Chor. But whatever I said doesn’t deserve getting sworn at. If you’d all ignored me, it woulda stayed at one post. But I was rebutted and therefore allowed to defend myself.
            Screeching obscenities like the bully on the playground (to enter your scenario) who thinks he can intimidate others to keep quiet by “bringin it up a notch” by sweariing. It didn’t work against me then, sure as heck ain’t gonna work now.
            You got a beef, fine. Be a man and say it; don’t friggin swear at me.
            It’s not a measure of exasperation; it’s a measure of weakness. It shows you don’t have the skill to articulate said exasperation properly, that’s all.
            …spotty geek, though… That’s funny!

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      Good Topics?

      Until training camps open, it is all the same drivel and speculation.
      Although, the drivel is like crack, as I keep coming back…

      Let them debate 911, it’s only replacing the “I hate” posts anyway.

      On that note, I hate Price… for making me look like a know-it all with my friends last year (Halakians, as I liked to call them, and remind them). Damn him and his stellar goaltending!

  29. HabFanSince72 says:

    I saw an excellent TV show on video on Charles Darwin last weekend, narrated by the great Richard Dawkins.

    The 3rd disc was extra footage where he debates people who don’t believe in evolution. He debates one blonde woman from the American heartland who is actively trying to get intelligent design into the school curriculum.

    She tries to get him to consider the evidence against evolution by natural selection. Dawkins patiently refutes all her so-called evidence. But she is just relentless, and keeps accusing him of being blinkered and narrow-minded for failing to admit that there are gaps in the fossil record, that the eye could never have developed by chance, etc … She’s like a smiling vacuous energizer bunny of ignorance.

    But she’s Albert Freaking Einstein compared to Bugs.

    • Timo says:

      the “bunny” part.. was it in reference to anybody in particular?

    • I always find it fascinating when people say there are “gaps” in the fossil record. As soon as you find a new transitional fossil between two previously discovered forms, you’re actually creating an extra “gap”. So the more we find, the more deniers think they have evidence. Ludicrous really.

    • Chorske says:

      Have you seen Tim Minchin’s “Storm”? It’s BRILLIANT. Link here:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U

      As a science / biology professor, I encounter the Storm thing regularly. I don’t even bother discussing or debating because there is no point. For certain personality types, it’s easier to believe the crazy version than the established version. And that’s the last I’ll say about it.

    • Bugs says:

      You know, Sincey, you’ve shown yourself to be quite adept at mocking me for having questions about that day, but I have to say, you’re quite incompetent at showing me evidence against what I’ve brought up about it.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        You’re right there. I’m also incompetent at stepping in dog poo, cheering for the Leafs, and setting my own hair on fire and trying to extinguish it with a brick.

        Among other things.

        • Bugs says:

          Ah, but the difference is that the former is used to build a logical argument and the latter is used to look stupid.
          Odd that you equate them.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • Bripro says:

        Bugs, I’ve read all of your posts this morning, and most of the replies.
        You might as well just let it go. You’re beating a dead horse.

        • Bugs says:

          Disagree.
          Most who’ve chosen to believe official report of events surrounding that day will spew venom at me because implications lead somewhere terrible that would shake their values to the core, granted.
          But someone will look at Building 7 as I did a few days ago, when I was in AGREEMENT with everyone spewing at me today.
          And that someone will look at the FACTS. At the EVIDENCE. And like me, he, she, or they will be forced to conclude that the official report is FALSE and those entire events must be re-investigated.
          For the sake of Humanity.
          As more and more and more people every day are doing all around the world.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • Chorske says:

            Oh dear.

          • Bripro says:

            All I’m saying is “you’re wasting your time” going over and over and over the same topic with the same determination, and getting nowhere.
            You might as well just drop it, and talk shop. It’s hockey here. And the occasional recipe or restaurant suggestion.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            “For the sake of Humanity.”

            OK now I know he’s joking.

            Good one.

    • VancouverHab says:

      My dear HFS2:

      I stay above the (af)fray on the subject, but I must draw your attention to the irony (‘situational’ I would say, but I’ll perhaps allow that you hint toward ‘historical’) in an assertion of natural selection as Invincible Truth from one who uses as an avatar one of history’s most thunderous and implacable debunkers of natural selection (in anti-Darwinian company with such fellow 19th C. Atheist giants as Freud, Shaw, Butler etc, etc.)

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        To simplify Nietzsche’s view greatly, he felt that human society tended to favor the weak, through altruism, and that this therefore falsified Darwinism. i.e. in human society weakness was selected rather than strength.

        In my view he was arguing against a very crude parody of Darwinism, and in any case we now know that altruism is fully consistent with natural selection (because you tend to be altruistic towards people who share your genes). Dawkins in fact addressed this in The Selfish Gene and other books.

        • VancouverHab says:

          Still staying away from debate on the topic, your “….we now know that altruism is fully consistent with natural selection” is (a.) way way more epistemological certitude than I want anywhere near a scientific claim, and (b.) a perfect petitio vis-à-vis the viability of natural selection–which, after all, was the topic at hand.

          Again, I make no claim myself here for or against Darwin: merely comments (friendly meant) on your (typically contemporary) attitude toward his doctrines.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            What I said is that altruism is “consistent” with natural selection.

            The certitude is not that altruism developed through natural selection (although it probably did) but that the existence of altruism doesn’t falsify natural selection.

          • VancouverHab says:

            (I reply to myself because no ‘reply’ available for your post ;–)

            My reply? “Ah–I see.”

  30. savethepuck says:

    I read comments below about what the team will do with the Cap space. Someone suggested the team is reducing spending for a possible Gomez buyout ( not gonna happen).Some posters think we spent too much on Markov ( we didn’t, by the time his contract is up, he will of played approx 8 yrs with the team without a raise and no I am not going to take the time to look it up). They are worried about what happens if he gets injured ( I’m not worried about it, there’s been a lot of advances in reconstructive knee surgery since Bobby Orr went under the knife).
    The reason we have the cap space is because of the team’s youth. The Habs are spending only 3.9 mil on 2 goaltenders and we have 1 of the best in the world. Other teams spend 6 or 7 mil on this position ( our competion in the East has Flyers 7.4, Bruins 6.25, Rangers 7.75, Penguins 5.6, Sabres 6.9, Jersey 6.45, TB 4.8 and Wash with a gift from Vokoun 2.65). We are not spending much on our defense because of our youth. PK Subban who is now one of our top DMen only makes $875,000. Weber @ 850,000 and Yemelin @ 984,200, are expected to crack the top 7. MaxP expected to be a top 6 forward only at 1.625 and Eller expected to be a 3rd liner @ 1.27.
    It is because of our youth that the contracts of Gomez and Spacek don’t put this team in Cap trouble by remaining more than competitive, but these kids are due for some big raises in the near future.

    “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

  31. caladin says:

    @bugs.
    Stop yelling the same things over and over.
    We know what the word impossible means, but clearly you do not. It is not only possible, and plausible: it’s probable.
    I did look. In fact I LOOOOOKED but I am not convinced.
    You don’t stop to consider what you ate saying. You act as if the physics of a building breaking up and falling is simple. Well let me tell you it is anything but simple.
    However, the only reason you expect the building to topple over instead of collapsing in on itself is that you are thinking of it as a rigid….. Whoah! No I shouldn’t argue like this.
    Bugs I’m not going to try to convince you of anything except that we heard you the first time, so please stop yelling.

    • Bugs says:

      If I’d yelled, there woulda been an exclamation point at the end.
      No, I strongly emphasized certain words, Cally.
      I think this is very important stuff. Frightening stuff in fact, no question about it. But to ignore the truth, no matter how despicable, is even more frightening.
      And the truth is fire does not create molten steel under any circumstances. (Or else all our pans would burn over the flame.)
      But thermite, thermate or nano-thermite does. And indeed, in EVERY PARTICLE of pulverized concrete DUST found (concrete crumbles btw; does not get pulverized into dust unless exploded by high-energy charge, again, such as thermite, thermate or nano-thermite; that’s science), THERMITE MOLECULES were found in EVERY sample.
      Every ONE.
      I’m not making anything up. Look for yourself.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  32. C_exacte says:

    The only question mark about Andrei “Teflon Don” Markov is…. this move still part of his inventory? If yes, he’ll get his 2 points a game and an even 164 points!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MlZlvlQ5KM

  33. allright since were talking conspiracies, id like to share this diddy where a fellow from new zealand schools the flat earth society with an explanation of how GPS works

    http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=36546.0

  34. Bripro says:

    I’d rather focus on the positive. By that, I mean a respected tribute to Jack.

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/Cartoons+Jack+Layton+through+Aislin/5289840/story.html

    Also, my wife and I are going to see Lion King tonight.
    Any suggestions on good (inexpensive) eating near Place des Arts?
    I’ve paid enough for tickets to this play without choking on my restaurant bill.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Before shows at PdA i like to eat in Chinatown.

      A favourite is Pho Bang New York, on St.Laurent, if you like Vietnamese soups (and what’s not to like?).

      For well made Chinese food, Beijing, on the corner of De la Gauchetierre and St.Urbain, has the goods.

      • Bripro says:

        Pho Bang’s eh? Not too much MSG I hope.
        Thanks. I’ll let you know my wife’s review tomorrow.
        As for Beijing, aren’t they a buffet place? If so, didn’t like it last time.

      • RabidHabsFan says:

        Fung Shing on St-Laurent just below Rene Levesque on the west side of the street you will not be dissapointed, best General Tao in the city and the Hot&sour soup is excellent, Beef and ginger in sand stone pot is also very good and the ginger lobster is MMMMMMMMM

        Fung Shing
        1102 Boulevard Saint-Laurent
        Montreal, QC H2Z 1J6
        (514) 866-0469

        Mike Milbury is the Archie Bunker of Hockey.

  35. Mike says:

    Guys, I know what really happened on 911.
    It was the buildings fault for being so tall. If the planes would have been anywhere else in NYC the result wouldn’t have been the same. The planes were trying to fly through the buildings but the buildings leaned into the planes…..

  36. shiram says:

    I thought Markov was the big question mark…
    Anyways I hope no one suggests we get Bigfoot for the blue-line!
    (He’d fit in better with Colorado anyways)

    If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

  37. avatar_58 says:

    Ah christ Bugs. How can I ever take anything you say seriously now? :\

    • Bugs says:

      What did I do wrong? I just have questions.
      1) How did Building 7 fall? LOOK at it. Impossible that fire caused that. Im. POSSIBLE. That means that under NO conditions can it BE possible.
      2) That is NOT Flt 175 hitting the South Tower. LOOK at it. It is INDISPUTABLE.
      LOOOOK!
      Or dare you not even look for fear of what you may find?

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  38. christophor says:

    An incredibly complex event like 9/11 has so many freaking sub-components that pointing to a piece of ‘physical evidence’ here and another piece there is a very tough way to go about confirming a story of how it happened. Most science experiments, on far simpler scales, over which there is far more control, still have residual evidence that can’t be explained easily by the going theory. Actually simple experiments don’t even uniquely suggest one scientific story and so for something as complex as 9/11, there’s no real limit to how many stories the evidence suggests. With complex events, we ought to expect some strange results because there are an indefinite number of factors to take into consideration.
    But on the other hand, some of those pieces of evidence are tough to put to rest with a sweeping explanation of how science and explanation work, which is why there are smart people on both sides.

  39. Propwash says:

    Amazingly, there was nobody in the Ville Marie tunnel when the concrete went crashing down….coincidence???

  40. caladin says:

    @bugs.
    Okay. We have heard your argument and we have each decided to agree, or disagree, or perhaps look into it.
    Are we done?
    Let me ask you, How ready do you think Enquist, or white is to play 4th line center?

    • Bugs says:

      Your duty as a human being to look at all the evidence; all I’m saying. Last week, I didn’t even KNOW about Building 7 and that, in itself, is a frightening piece of evidence. Once we start looking at everything ELSE mainstream media did NOT report on (explosions in Towers sub-basements reported by MULTIPLE eye-witnesses for example, air-traffic control reporting Flt 77 270-degree turn impossible for commercial airliner but consistent with military aircraft, for another), it becomes evident that the official report is untruthful.
      That’s shocking to me is all.
      Now then, not enough evidence to speculate on Enquist.
      White however, should be good to go.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  41. krob1000 says:

    simple solution….new thread…easily done and serious talk can stay on this one

    • HabinBurlington says:

      A for effort, D for achievement.

      Nice try Krob, this looks like an all day one. We will just have to continue trying to post other things. Cheers!

  42. huge_polar_bear says:

    Bugs, what is your end game here? Are you trying to insight a riot? There are posters here who may have lost friends and family in that tragedy, enough is enough drop it…

    Ever think that it may be better if people did not know all the details, since it may give certain groups more ideas or freak out the general population that have already had to deal with the loss of loved ones?

    Stick to your funny post shtick it suits you better…

    • Timo says:

      Is it not obvious? He knows better. So he feels compelled to educate the lesser minds on how it really was.

    • Bugs says:

      Aren’t those friends and family members concerned that more and more people want to know more about 911 as opposed to LESS?
      Don’t they want to be SURE who murdered their loved ones?
      Take a look at what’s under Flt 175 as it crashes into the South Tower.
      What IS that? Look at it. What IS it? What is that THING under Flt 175?
      Is that the work of box-cutter wielders?
      Wouldn’t friends and family members WANT to KNOW whether it was or not?

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • huge_polar_bear says:

        Sure they may want to know, but you are not providing any answers, all you are doing is stirring the pot. All you have done is ask more and more questions and provided no real insight into any of it. If you had any real proof then you would write a book sell millions of copies and retire to watch the habs play from your privately owned box at the Bell Center.

        (oh and I would like my royalty check for coming up with the idea)

        • thats the problem, youll never have proof that supports or quells the “truth” movement

          me personally i think the entire debate is one big BS distraction that takes the focus off of the bush administrations machinations surrounding that day

      • Propwash says:

        That “pod” would have prevented the main landing gear from being able to retract. It’s what is called a wing fairing.

        http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/podimages/fairings.jpg

        • Bugs says:

          First, let us forego comparing undercarriage of Boeing 757 and craft that crashed into building as wildly dissimilar and move on to the appendage you call a wing-fairing.
          A) It is inconsistent with object under Flt 175 according to multiple photographic angles of object, which appears to be longish tube.
          B) Object leaves hole imprint in side of building, showing its density, which wing-fairing would not.
          Conclusion: Not wing-fairing.
          C) What of IGNITION of said object before impact, that same ignition process visible before Flt 11′s impact into North Tower?
          That which we can all see with our own eyes?
          What is that?

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • Propwash says:

            The article accompanying the pic has a bunch of explanations as to why alot of the theories you’re claiming as fact are false.

          • Bugs says:

            I didn’t OFFER theory; I offered facts.
            “A bunch of explanations” might show these facts to be false, Proppie, but sadly, too much EVIDENCE shows them to be true.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • PrimeTime says:

      People will believe whatever they want to believe when it suits their purpose. “Facts” can be found to support any argument no matter who they intentionally target or unintentionally harm. Some people feel self-rightious and superior by sitting in front of a computer and flipping their finger at the rest of the world. Others who want the world to be a better place go out and face the real world and change it from within.

  43. Ian Cobb says:

    He stands Tall as a man, that short Jack!

  44. TorontoHabsFan says:

    True Story – I was at the Bell Centre store at the same time Jack was. He was trying on that very jersey if I’m not mistaken. A quick bit of internet research tells me it was probably the March 26th 2008 game against Tampa Bay – Latendresse scored a goal to send the crowd into rapture and Koivu scored an OT winner.

    Jack was in town for some sort of conference, I had remembered reading about it the day before.

    Anyways, I noticed Jack standing by the wall of jerseys and hemmed and hawed and asked my girlfriend whether I should ask him for a picture – both of us in our Habs jerseys. I eventually balked…but as I walked by, he noticed me watching and gave me a smile and nod. I smiled and nodded back. Good guy that Jack – much shorter than you’d imagine.

    Shoulda asked for that picture…

  45. Hobie Hansen says:

    I’m sure there’s another site, probably run by some pot smoking, university students who are captivated by conspiracy theories, that people can go and talk about nonsense.

    The only conspiracy theories to be spoken about on HIO are the ones involving the Boston Bruins having the NHL in their back pocket!

  46. 9/11? Yikes, people are reaching here.

    How about this.

    The 2011 Canadiens were one goal scorer away from the Stanley Cup Finals.

    Pacs? Markov?

    The Bruins knocked out Pacs because they (their org) knew this information.

    2012 will be different, as I will have Chara’s knees beat to a pulp (just kidding, he’s really a great guy…rolls eyes)

    Thomas that diving floating Hasek of a goalie will lose his job (again) to Rask.

    The Bruins don’t make the playoffs.

    The Habs finish first in the division.

    9/11?? How about 2011?

    One freakin goal was all they needed!!

    I’m going to miss Rick and Sergio. I really do enjoy their broadcasts.
    Rick…..The Jets are looking for a few good men. Any chane you’d move to Winnipeg. It really isn’t -50 all winter. Only 16 weeks of it.

    The Summit will Rock this Season!


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  47. caladin says:

    Not to change the subject too abruptly but does anyone have a feel for how much the habs face-off weakness can be fixed through coaching/practice?

    • Chrisadiens says:

      Carey Price is working on taking the draws. He wants to lock up the Hart Trophy this year.

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • TorontoHabsFan says:

      I’m hoping Ryan White has been working day and night with Yannick Perreault all summer long to improve his face-off percentages. :D

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Yah you would like to think that practising the right techniques etc… would be enough. But seems to be there is some part of this ability that requires some weird innate ability. I like Chrisadiens idea, just not sure Carey will be able to get back to the crease in time for the faceoffs in the offensive zone, that is a long skate back.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      If you read “Outliers” by Malcolm Gladwell, he makes the case that talent is not innate or god-given, but the result of hours and hours of practice. He illustrates many examples and supports a figure of 10 000 hours as what is required for someone to ‘become’ a virtuoso.

      So yeah Ryan White, Lars Eller, David Desharnais, Scott Gomez and Tomas Plekanec, and all you Canadiens prospects, go at it, practice ’till you puke. Twenty minutes at the end of practice to work on faceoffs instead of rushing off to see the latest Katherine Heigl opus will pay off. It’s the only way to get better.

      ———————————
      For my training camp surprise, I want the second coming of Mike McPhee. And maybe Kent Carlson.

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  48. caladin says:

    Sigh… Okay bugs you win.
    Steel does not have to melt for a building to collapse.
    Modern Buildings are a framework of steel on which the structure, literally hangs. Heating the frame will cause it to soften and expand. Both of those are capable of shifting the load out of balance… Which can and does lead to catastrophic failure.
    Before you claim something is against the laws of physics, ask an architect or physicist maybe?
    All of this is easy to find out if you ASK someone qualified. Call a school of architecture, or engineering, or the ironworkers local in your area.

  49. 123456 says:

    ok at the risk of being banned i’ll say what most of you are afraid to.

    FU(K all of you who think someone other than terrorists are behind the WTC attacks – i hope you all die of horrible death – one which your family members can try to pin in the US government.

    bldg 7 fell down because it was severly damaged by the twin towers – before it collasped it has heavy damage and multiple fires.

    it amazes me that there are so many ignorant people – no we do not need to turn a blind eye to everythign we see/hear… but any amount of logic disproves all the conspiracy bullsh!t.

    conspiracy theory = ignorance = just plain stupidity

    i guess you all know my opinion now

    • tobbs says:

      +1000
      BUGS is an absolute moron to start talking about that conspiracy crap on this site. I agree with you but dont fan the flames

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Hopefully I can get some tix to a Buffalo / Montreal game this season. Would be good to have a beer with you at the game man!

    • ed lopaz says:

      the discussion is totally disrespectful and should be deleted.

      it is disrespectful to our American posters and readers.

      it is disrespectful to the family members of 3000 innocent victims, including fire fighters and police officers who lost their lives trying to save others.

      Boone – you should have these posts deleted.

      Would you allow a holocaust denier to post on this site??

      Enough is enough.

      Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

      • Bugs says:

        CNN.com poll. August 6, 2011.
        69% of Americans believe alternate theories for 911 attacks credible.
        1 in 3 believe it to be inside job.
        Truth Movement itself made up of large % of the 3000 victims families.
        I’m not making anything up, Eddie. Look it up yourself.

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • shiram says:

          Argumentum ad populum, that does not make it true.

          If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • Bugs says:

            But it DOES refute that I’m being “disrespectful to our American posters and readers” as Eddie claims.
            Some, perhaps. Certainly less than half however.
            That was my point.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • Bugs says:

      Buildings 3, 4, 5 and 6 were MUCH more “severely damaged” than Building 7 but they remained intact.
      Furthermore, you would expect the building to TOPPLE towards the most damaged area, no? That’s Physics.
      But no, it fell STRAIGHT down at the speed of gravity meeting NO resistance from crumpling underneath.
      I’m not saying the terrorists didn’t do it. I’m saying the official report explaining a lot of these occurrences are bald-faced lies, according to science.
      But instead of informing and educating yourself as is your right and even your duty, you wish death on those exerting their right to ask questions.
      C’mon, man…

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  50. Habs_4_ever says:

    I would love to see a Ken Burns documentary on the Habs. I’m sure it would be Great. Actually I would Love to see any film about the Habs. With over 100 years of history, there are 1000′s of stories to choose from. No offense to the related films that have been produced before. I watched The Rocket and enjoyed it, but…… It was no Field of Dreams, Bull Durham, Raging Bull, The Longest Yard, Just to name a few.
    While I’m on this subject…When John Kordic died, I heard that someone was planing a biopic of his sad and troubled life, but nothing(that I know of) ever came of it. He was not the greatest player to wear a Canadiens Jersey, but I think his story deserves to be told.

    ***RIP Jack***

    “That’s the save of the year and it’s not even the year yet!”

  51. caladin says:

    @bugs.
    I’d be happy to explain how building 7 fell, but not in this forum. Let me know where to go (Uh walked into that one) and I’ll post there.

    • Bugs says:

      No. Explain here. It need not be either long or complicated.
      Did fire burn steel to the point where not only did it cause uniform collapse of the ENTIRE structure despite only sparse fires being seen inside instead of toppling towards the path of least resistance (Law of Gravity), but that it ALSO fell at FREE-FALL speed into its own foundation such as it would, EXACTLY as it would, with a controlled demolition?
      Yes or no, fire did that? Fire that burns at 1200 degrees F MAXIMUM melted steel that melts at 2700 MINIMUM?

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • shiram says:

        Hey Bugs, I just would like to hear what you think brought that building down, not arguing, just interested in what you think brought that building down? Was it pre-planned with explosives??

        If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

        • Bugs says:

          I’m not speculating on what DID happen.
          I just KNOW what DIDN’T happen, and that’s fire burning steel causing uniform collapse at free-fall speed into a building’s own foundation.
          There’s a point where human beings must decide whether or not to trust in faith or to trust in science.
          Only difference is that science never lies.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • shiram says:

            Well I just thought with the energy you are posting this today, you’d have an inkling or an idea, maybe a thought?

            I have not looked much into this, but I’d say I favor science, the post up top by Caladin makes some sense to me, while fire could not melt the steel frame, it could definately warp it enough to weaken the structure.
            Wish they had a Penn/Teller Bullshit about this, they are always entertaining…

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • penn and teller did do an episode on 911 conspiracies

          • shiram says:

            Well if I recall correctly, they tackle the rebuild, not the fall…

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • Bugs says:

            Shira, all I can say is DON’T take MY word for it. Decide for yourself.
            Google “Building 7″ as I did and LOOK AT IT.
            Then observe that the 911 Commission didn’t even MENTION Building 7. Then look at the NIST Report.
            Then listen to architects and engineers and demolition experts and physics professors.
            Then decide on your own. Don’t listen to me; listen to YOU.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • bugs i posted the nist report twice already

            they updated it in 2010

      • 123456 says:

        if you are standing 200 yards from an actual fault line during an earthquake do you feel nothing? is the destuction from an earthquake limited to the actual fault line which my be 10 feet wide?

      • nick says:

        Dad was a firefighter for Westmount, and was at the Alexis Nihon fire for over 12 hours as it burned uncontrollably. At the end of the fire, there was no collapse, the structure stayed intact. They eventually rebuilt on the same structure.

        So how does a building which was built 20 years later, which had considerably more funding and newer technology, burn to the point of collapse in a handful of hours?

        • Bugs says:

          Only time a steel-framed building collapsed due to fire in HISTORY occurred three times on same day and NEVER again, either before or after.
          Windsor Building. Madrid. 2005. 19-hr inferno. NINETEEN hours. Steel carcass UNMOVED.
          Meridian Plaza. Philly. 70s. 18 hours. No effect on steel frame.
          Then look at the over-engineered Towers 1 and 2 with its FORTY-SEVEN central core columns, not to mention the grid-locked screen facades which were SPECIFICALLY built to withstand “MULTIPLE aircraft strikes” from a Boeing 707 (the largest commercial aircraft at the time). Public record.
          The CORE, with its SUPER-STRUCTURE at the BOTTOM of the building fell in on itself? And PULVERIZED the concrete into fine dust? Dust with THERMITIC RESIDUE in it?
          There are questions here.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • Bripro says:

      When I see Samsonov’s name, I keep thinking back to how bad he played for the Habs, and wonder how he can keep managing to find another (sucker) team to hire his services.

  52. SeriousFan09 says:

    This site needs to run ads for aluminum foil, it would help certain members here make their hats.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  53. caladin says:

    Where’s the politics? Where’s the hockey!?!
    This site is about hockey, not the evils of the world, or history or religion or the environment or corporate ethics or secret government coverups or even who’s hotter Betty or Veronica.
    There are lots of forums appropriate to discuss any issue you want. Why not post a link to your comments there and leave this site for hockey?
    That goes for both sides of this debate, IMHO.

  54. Habfan10912 says:

    Is there a way to ignore/block certain people on this board?

  55. Bugs says:

    Sincey.
    The Air Force had intercepted ALL 67 occurences of flight deviations the year before within a MAXIMUM of twenty minutes.
    Yet four planes flew around for FIFTY minutes on that day, THREE of which AFTER confirmed terrorist attacks and NONE were intercepted?
    Please.
    Secundo: There were WAR GAMES being practiced from NORAD under Cheney’s direction simulating enemy air attacks ON THAT DAY.
    Minister Mineta declares orders to STAND DOWN issued by the vp on that day.
    Public record, look it up, Sincey.
    So defending what happened with “there were no contingency plans to stop an air attack even if we’re the best air-fleet in the world” business is a crock of hooey.

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • habsfansince91 says:

      I’m with you on this one. There’s videos on youtube where firefighters that worked on 9/11 have come out and said that they were assigned to go to building 7 for precautionary reasons. When they arrived there they tried to figure out why they were sent there when they could’ve been helping out at the twin towers. One firefighter approached a man with a walky talky and as he did that a voice came out of the walky talky and was counting down from 10. As this happened the man screamed at everyone leave the premises as quickly as possible. Can you guess what happened next? As soon as the countdown ended, there went Building 7.

      I saw this video a long time ago so I’ll try to find it again.

      • Malreg says:

        Good point, I mean, everything on youtube is 100% fact.

        If I put on a fireman’s suit, say that I was a NYC firefighter working on 9/11, and say random stuff will you believe me too?

        • habsfansince91 says:

          Do you really think I would talk about the video if it wasn’t credible? There was video footage of him standing outside building 7 along with dozens of other firefighters

    • habsfaninkw says:

      Unfortunately, the problem with a lot of these types of stats and stories about 9/11 is that they leave out some critical pieces of info. For example, all of those 67 intercepts occured outside the continental US borders in specified identification zones. None were internal, which all of the 9/11 flights were. That doesn’t mean that there wasn’t some gross negligence, but it also doesn’t imply a conspiracy.

      • Bugs says:

        Payne Stewart intercepted in 20 minutes day of his death. And that was a GOLFER.
        Four hijacked planes flying around for 50 minutes, THREE OF WHICH AFTER initial attack NOT intercepted?
        C’mon, man…
        You know, it’s really too bad the nearest fighters were sent hundreds of kms away by Cheney during war-games simulating terrorist attack that day, isn’t it? Really unfortunate…
        Public record, my friend. Look it up.
        Secretary of Transportation Mineta’s testimony. Look it up.

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • habsfaninkw says:

          Occam’s Razor – the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one. I know that’s not the exact interpretation, but close enough.

          Option 1 – The U.S. Govt (broadly defined) committed mass murder via a conspiracy and has managed to keep the most damning evidence secret and reliable testimony(ers) virtually silent for 10 years.

          Option 2 – The U.S. authorities (of various kinds), messed up big-time.

          I’ll pick door number 2. I agree that there are all manner of things that were odd about that day, but virtually all of them are shown to have perfectly reasonable explanations that are also in the public domain. And it would take far too long to refute or debate them all here in a hockey forum. ;-)

          • Bugs says:

            They messed up so bad, they committed a federal crime by DESTROYING the evidence (Ground Zero), removing the evidence, (Pentagon), and hiding the evidence (Flt 93) instead of INVESTIGATING IT in every last detail so it didn’t happen again???
            C’mon, man.
            441 days before 911 Commission started, AFTER PUBLIC PRESSURE. Kissinger to head it first before backlash. Then lackey Zelikow. Compare 1 week before Columbia inquiry started.
            15 million allotted for 911 Commission funding. Compare to 50 million in Lewinski affair.
            Everyone in military otherwise responsible for CATASTROPHIC failure on that day…got PROMOTED, not BLAMED, nor FIRED, but PROMOTED.
            Look it up, Fannin. I’m not inventing anything.
            Is that usually what happens to folks who “mess up” on such a scale? I mean, they’re PAID to protect civilians and they screw up colossally causing mass death but not only are they not reprimanded, but they get PROMOTED???
            C’mon, man…

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • habsfaninkw says:

        There will always be the potential for conspiracies. People have seen them in Lennon’s shooting, the 9/11 attacks, Kennedy’s assasination, the Oklahoma bombing, the Roswell UFO “coverup”, flouridation, moon landings, Diana’s accident and many more.

        I do agree that there are some bizarre facts and aspects to 9/11. There are, more than likely, pieces that are being covered up. They just don’t add up to a massive plot on the part of the US govt that might, for example, justify military operations overseas. There are a lot easier ways to do that and simpler explanations for what happened.

  56. krob1000 says:

    I am not suggesting this as a replacement for the NHL but just curious to see what others think since I really don’t notice that womens hockey is body checking free. I love the hitting and would not want the NHL to change tis ways to this extent…..eventually maybe the fighting phased out but hitting must always remane. However, with the number of super talented players leaving the game with concussions and the number of elite athletes that are likely deterred at a young age due to parental concerns….I can’t help but wonder if over time there will be a market for a body contact but no bodychecking game. Over the years Crosby, Savard, Kariya, Lindros, Scott Stevens, Lafontaine, Deadmarsh,etc have all left due to concussions …many others are forced out with other injuries that could probably have them play a body contact game but can;t stand the rigors of the NHL. I know this sounds fruity but when I watch women’s hockey I really truly don;t notice there is no hitting, they are still very aggressive andf the odd big hit is missed…you don;t really notice it….it really just looks like a bunch of “softer” (who also tend to be the NHl’s skilled guys””turning away instead of “finishing the check”…..
    I would love for there to be some alternative league where guys could play at an elite level without the checking..injuries will still happen but the pace, style, talent would be very exciting and just may end up appealing to even the hardest nosed old school fans (who I am sure find themselves watching womens hockey and international hockey as well that has no fighting). I have played non contact hockey since being in Men’s League and very few men do play bodychecking hockey so why they wouldn’t be interested in watching the same hockey they play at a higher level? I am not sure how much sense that makes.

    I would like to see some sort of track for non bodychecking yet elite athletes.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      While I understand where you are coming from, I just don’t get why the NHL and all the Old Boys Club members insist that it is so difficult to remove these headshots from the Game. If they simply enforced the rule book they currently have and call any contacts to the head most of these injuries will be reduced. Yes some players will get penalized even though they shouldn’t. Yes some players will still get hurt as it is a contact sport.

      But by enforcing rules, calling penalties, handing out HUGE suspensions and for goodness sake, change the KEVLAR to felt or something.

      Oh and perhaps the players in the offseason players should have to care for someone with severe brain injuries and perhaps they could develop an ounce of respect for each other.

      • Chrisadiens says:

        I just had visions of Matt Cooke wearing the “new” teddy bear shaped, pink, felt gloves and giving someone a facewash.

        Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

        • krob1000 says:

          lol quite the image…seriously though..do you play hockey? probably not contact anymore I am assuming unless you are either young or really good…do you feel you are playing a wimpy sport? I have played soccer, baseball, hockey and basketball all competitively up until my late teens and in some cases early twenties and always felt that even men’s league hockey as I play now is far more physical then any of the others on their best day…..

          • Chrisadiens says:

            No I’ve never played. My 10 yr old nephew skates better than me. I just thought the image in my head was funny.

            I do enjoy some big hits in the NHL but the goonery is just too much. It just seems like Bettman wants to use that aspect of the game to promote it in violent markets like philly/boston.

            Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • REB says:

      The solution to these head hits is very simple:

      1. Any hit to the head, accidental or intended, is a 5 minute major and a game misconduct.
      2. The hitter is suspended for however long the person hit is out injured. NO EXCEPTIONS…NONE!!!

      Under the above rules, Chara would still be suspended, whoever hit Crosby the 2nd time would still be suspended (and possibly never play again). There are many more examples of long-term suspensions that would have happened.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      The solution is simple: continue to allow bodychecking as prescribed in the rules, which state that the puck carrier may be checked, but not someone without the puck. As soon as a player has made a pass or shot the puck and is no longer in possession of the puck, they cannot be checked without a 2 minute interference penalty.

      Getting rid of the ‘finishing your check’ BS would eliminate a lot of the collisions from the game. The slow-footed unskilled Bruins, er, I mean thugs who are always two strides behind the play would be weeded out of the game and every player would be much healthier at the end of the season and their careers.

      ———————————
      For my training camp surprise, I want the second coming of Mike McPhee. And maybe Kent Carlson.

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      I don’t particularly enjoy womans hockey. I think because there is no body checking.

      I, for one, have noticed it.

      I hate seeing people getting hurt, but a big hit is still exciting. Subban on Marchand…. brilliant.

  57. HabinBurlington says:

    Can’t say I disagree with Patrick Roy’s frustration. I like Mr. Branch overall, but completely agree that there is a clear conflict of interest with him being in charge of the OHL and CHL.

    Edit: Of course with Ontario being the centre of the universe perhaps it is best that the OHL just be designated as the be all and end all and have the others follow…

  58. Bugs says:

    Chrisa, I’ve seen EVIDENCE supporting that “stance”.
    Can you explain where I’m wrong, please?
    Step 1: Building 7.
    Go.

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  59. Bugs says:

    Very important 10-yr anniversary coming up. Felt it was important to read up on it this weekend.
    And I was shocked and a little bit frightened to realize how much had been hidden from me from the mainstream media.
    I barely remembered that a THIRD building came down that day. World Trade Building 7. What I saw scared me a great deal.
    It forced me to look at how Buildings 1 and 2 came down.
    Then I looked at the Pentagon. I looked at the debris.
    I looked at Flt 93. And the lack of debris.
    And then I looked at Flts 11 and 175…closely.
    Looked at what was UNDERNEATH them…
    Don’t wanna imply anything.
    But I think it’s important we educate ourselves on this matter because the evidence CLEARLY shows that…
    Well…see for yourselves.

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • Chrisadiens says:

      Oh no….not you Bugs.

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

      • Bugs says:

        Not me what?

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • Chrisadiens says:

          Didn’t peg you as the “conspiracy” type.

          To each his own I suppose.

          Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

          • Bugs says:

            Believing 19 men with box-cutters taking orders from a guy in a cave could defeat a multi-billion-dollar defense grid sounds much more like a conspiracy theory, ask me.
            I AM glad to see that you have evidence I haven’t seen that supports it, though.
            Soooo, Step 1: Can you explain to me how Building 7 fell then?
            Thanks.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • bugs has a major point, the building 7 nist report never concluded what caused its collapse

            this isnt from the mouths of “conspirators”, these were the guys responsible for investigating what happened that day

            edit: oh wow they actually did an update last year, http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.cfm

          • GrimJim says:

            Here Bugs, this might help explain things…
            http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
            Don’t forget to link through to Structure Magazine explaining how the loss of one column could have caused the building to fall

          • Chrisadiens says:

            Talk about a can of worms….

            Thanks Grim, was about to post that link.

            Bugs, I was merely surprised by your stance. Didn’t want to start a whole debate. On that note, back to hockey.

            Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

          • “Silverstein’s spokesperson, Mr. McQuillan, later clarified:”

            hehe i know mr. mcquillan personally

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Bugs doesn’t have a major point, or even any point at all. What multi-billion dollar defence grid prevents someone from flying a plane into a building? There isn’t one.

            9/11 conspiracy theorists belong in the same intellectual/moral trash heap as holocaust deniers.

            Now I worry about the fact that he liked Kovalev.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            With airport security being the joke that it was/is and airplanes having cockpit doors anyone in decent shape can break down? Pretty easily. The US had startling security issues for many years before the attack.

            Read the autobiography of Richard Marcinko, founder of SEAL Team Six. His last big assignment in active service during the 1980s was testing the security of various ‘secure’ installations, turns out they sucked and he’s the one who ended up getting in trouble for making everyone look bad. Railroaded out of the service and tossed in jail on weak charges, the man who authorized him to begin the whole project despite being a 4-Star Admiral got the boot as well later.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • “Bugs doesn’t have a major point, or even any point at all.”

            actually he does (or did) as i pointed out, it took nist 9 years to come up with a reason as to why it went down

            “What multi-billion dollar defence grid prevents someone from flying a plane into a building?”

            edit: nvmnd, agreed not sure what the hell this is in reference to

    • Jim Edson says:

      While you’re at it keep looking for that sound stage where “clearly” the moon landings were filmed!

      ———————————————————————-
      …..My empire is crumbling, my international sponsors are deserting me, my authority is questioned, I am held in contempt wherever I go.

      Who am I: Mohamar Ghadaffi or Gary Bettman.

      • Bugs says:

        Ah, indeed. Because I have questions about 911, that means I believe the moon-landing was faked. Yes. Very soundly reasoned, Jim. That’s how logic works. Yes.
        So. Step 1: please explain to me how Building 7 fell.
        Thank you.

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • Jim Edson says:

          Just another conspiracy bandwagon!

          Logically yours!

          ———————————————————————-
          …..My empire is crumbling, my international sponsors are deserting me, my authority is questioned, I am held in contempt wherever I go.

          Who am I: Mohamar Ghadaffi or Gary Bettman.

          • Bugs says:

            More mocking, yes. I got that part.
            But HOW did Building 7 fall, please?
            Thanks.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • Bill says:

          That’s funny, I don’t believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories, but the moon landing … haha, come ON!. No-one believes in that.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

          • Rugger says:

            The moon landing was indeed faked because an earlier unmanned mission determined that the moon was truely made of cheese and the dairy industry forced NASA to shut it down to protect their pricing.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Nice one Rugger.

      • Malreg says:

        And the shooter on the grassy knoll.

        • Bugs says:

          Can the shooter explain how fire burns steel? Causing uniform collapse?
          The fire was so HOT, that it burned everything uniformally yet STILL allowed survivors to escape?
          Wow.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • ed lopaz says:

      can you take your politics to another site??

      this is a hockey site.

      I log on here and on August 23rd I should not have to read your B.S. about a Sept 11 non hockey event.

      whether you think its interesting or not, this is not the place for it.

      Period.

      The Mods should edit this crap; anything not hockey related should be deleted.

      Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        A good recipe every once in a while is nice though Ed!

      • this has nothing to do with ones “politics”

      • Bugs says:

        Politics? I didn’t bring politics.
        Just talkin scientific facts. Indisputable natural laws.
        Stuff like video evidence. Gravity. Molten steel. And thermitic residue.
        Where’s the politics?

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Anti-Americanism. That kind of politics.

          • Bugs says:

            Where is the anti-Americanism, Sincey?
            I have questions concerning science. Is that a problem for you?
            1) How did Building 7 fall? What official report proposes goes against the Laws of Physics.
            2) How did Buildings 1 and 2 fall? What official report proposes goes against the Laws of Physics.
            3) Where is the wreckage of Flt 77? Official report shows no evidence except for what appears to be GlobalHawk rotor (remote-controlled military drone).
            4) Where are Flts 11 and 175? Official report says they crashed into Buildings 1 and 2 yet video CLEARLY shows this to be false.
            There’s no “anti” nuthin. Just questions.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • shiram says:

        With the website sporting information on Jack Layton’s death, I say the website can have any content the owners wish it to have.
        Still, I too would rather have more hockey talk, there is just not much to talk about right now.

        If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

        • Bripro says:

          I posted a joke yesterday. And I got yanked. I assume we’re suppose to talk without ruffling feathers.

          • shiram says:

            I have not seen your joke but …

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            We will, without warning, ban those who do not abide by this simple rule, so as to maximize the enjoyment of readers and participants of both sexes and all ages.

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

  60. Detritus says:

    Have to agree, that the Markov contract is a sign of good ownership.

    Bringing up the topic of money dumps though. Anyone think it is odd that there is so much cap space sitting unused? A thought occurred to me that perhaps the Molson’s let PG know that if he intends to bury Gomer next season, that he had best try to save a little $$$ this season?

    True, this is absolutely a ponzi scheme but.. it does seem believable doesn’t it?

    • Chrisadiens says:

      Interesting theory, but unlikely. PG is most likely saving cap space for the trade dealine so we have a little flexibility.

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I suspect there are layers of reasons why cap space is sitting available. I have no doubt it would be prudent for PG to show some cost savings to his boss if indeed he feels there may be a salary dump ahead. However, I also think as circumstances change so does the opportunity to use the cap space. Molson as i understand it, didn’t exactly have a blank cheque sitting around he filled in for the team. There is financing involved in his purchase, and he paid a hefty price for this team. I am sure Molson has some budget restraints, at the same time he is no poor owner like teams in Nashville, Columbus, Florida etc…..

      I don’t think spending will ever be a limitation for this team, but at the same time we wont see them burying contract after contract as the Rangers seem to do each season.

  61. 24moreCups says:

    I really hope to Sidney Crosby back, I used to hate him but as a fan the sport of hockey and watching that streak he had last season it was just so exciting plus he’s a Canadian boy from what I heard he grew up a Habs fan.

    I just hope he recovers well and gets back to his old form.

  62. Neutral says:

    don’t like the Markov contract, I have a feeling something will happen and we’ll be stuck with it. we all know how good markov is and if he stays healthy it will be nothing but good for the Habs.
    I think management may have made another Gomez mistake. I would never take chances like that, like buying a car with a bad transmission, hope for the best….

    • Chrisadiens says:

      What if Markov signed with Bos and completely kicked ass for them? You would be saying how PG sucks and should have resigned him. Let’s give Marky a chance to play some hockey before we compare his contract to Gomez.

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      I am not sure of this collective “WE” you reference in your post. Are you one of the Molsons? If not than YOU are not stuck with his contract.

      This contract has no impact on your day to day life. IF Markov goes down, his salary goes to LTIR and does not count against the Cap. That free’s up money to find a replacement (if such a replacement exists). The only people that are stuck paying are the Molsons.

      The only way I see this hurting the team is if a defenceman that was the same calibre of Markov was available (and interested in playing in Montreal) but was passed over for Markov. However, I do not know of any such defenceman that was available with his skill at the time he signed. DONT SAY THE WIZ = MARKOV either! We have guys who can bomb it from the point.

      I love this site, but I often amazed at how there are so many nay sayers who have so much to say about nothing… really… nothing.

      Please, before you gripe about the team, make sure you that your complaint is valid…. at the very least.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Neutral, your handle would suggest that you will take an even-handed and objective position, but you consistently seem to be pessimistic and negative in tone. In this case you are also ill-informed.

      With respect to Mr. Markov’s contract you say that “something will happen and we’ll be stuck with it”. Not much insight there. To contrast you also state that if he is healthy good things will come, so way to cover your bases.

      In fact, the Markov contract is not a huge risk. If he does blow out his knee again, as you and a lot of posters seem to be terrified of, despite the fact that ACL reconstructive surgery is a relatively common procedure with a high probability of a good outcome when cartilage damage is not present, then Mr. Markov will go on long-term injury reserve and his salary will come off the books and not affect the cap. The Canadiens will be shopping for another defenceman, but will have the funds for that search. This is not “another Gomez mistake”.

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  63. caladin says:

    The Markov contract is actually evidence of great ownership. The Molsons are on the hook for the full amount, but the cap space would clear, and we all know it would not sit unused. Very few owners would risk pouring 18 mil into thin air, but these guys seem to understand that success on the ice pays in Montreal.
    Personally I’ll always be thankful to Mr. Gillett for taking us in that direction, and proving it as a business model.

  64. Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

    While I am enjoying the EotP pieces highlighting the progression of Habs prospects and young players, I have to say that some of the writing is pretty bad.

    That piece on Tinordi had a number of sentences that made no sense.

    At least Berkshire’s are readable. Thanks for that Andrew.


  65. The 2011 Summit

    Back in the Central Province from one Hell of a Great trip with my kids.

    Left July 29 (day after I retired)

    Wisconsin Dells 5 days

    Then to PEI to my family’s resort (Lobster fest 2011 was a huge success, 12 lobsters in 30 minutes)

    Left PEI on 17 Aug for Mtl, stopped in to show the kids HOF (see facebook link)

    Baseball in the Twin Cities, and Home on 21 Aug 11

    Shane Oliver
    http://www.Sholi2000.com
    Brandon, MB,Canada
    R7B 2R7
    hockey@sholi2000.com
    Ph- 204 724 8418

  66. HabsFanInTampa says:

    Markov played only 52 games the last two seasons out of a possible 164, not including the games he missed in the playoffs. This season is a huge barometer of where the Canadiens and Markov are headed. If he stays healthy, the contract we gave him will be well worth it. If he gets injured, God forbid, then we’re going to be stuck with a contract we need to swallow for the next 5 years. Sort of like the bitter taste of the Gomez contract. Let’s hope for the best for Markov and our Canadiens.

  67. Clay says:

    Even though this is a hockey site, props for mentioning Layton (and what a great pic!). A great man indeed. Canada needs more people like him. Very sad to see him go, and so soon after taking his party to its greatest heights ever.
    Also, I’m somewhat touched to see that his death is getting international recognition (Al-Jazeera, CCTV China, etc…). He deserves the respect – much more than our current leader, IMO.

    __________________________
    Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.

    Winston Churchill

  68. Morning Mike,
    Thanks a lot for the link to our site. Hope you like the quick rundown of the other teams. We should have the Western Conference ready to go in a day or two.
    * Fantastic image of Layton, very sad day for all Canadians yesterday.

    Bruce Hollingdrake
    Owner – The Hockey Writers

  69. HardHabits says:

    The big Q amongst many little q’s.


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