According to Tony Marinaro of the Team 990, who has consistently had scoops on this story, Canadiens defenceman Andrei Markov suffered a setback several week ago when he was diagnosed with water in his knee.
Marinaro says that Markov has his knee drained in the United States and now must take time to rehab it again. The radio host says Markov developed the problem as a result of training too hard in order to be ready for the 2011-12 season.
Former NHLer Enrico Ciccone, speaking on TVA Sports’ L’Esprit d’équipe, expressed doubt that Markov would be ready for the season opener in Toronto. Rehab of the defenceman’s knee is not going as well as hoped, Ciccone added, placing Markov’s season in jeopardy.
The Canadiens have indicated they will not comment on the Markov situation until the players have their medical tests on Friday.
But this news will create a media frenzy in Montreal on Thursday, and team management almost certainly will be obliged to respond.
• Dave Stubbs on Max Pacioretty’s busy summer and Carey Price’s adjustment to new glass at the Bell Centre
• Arpon Basu on Habs’ optimism and on Markov
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This puts an end to all my Komisarek jokes to Laff fans. He’s our Sergei Gonchar, we should’ve known and signed Wiz instead.
Never understood why it had to be a 3yr deal and at that $$$? Could’ve lived with the same $ but 1yr.
Maybe we pick up a guy like McCabe on the cheap now.
“I kind of feel sorry for players who never got a chance to be a Montreal Canadien” – Cammalleri
There’s no way Markov would have accepted a 1 year deal.
- Honestly yours
For this exact reason. If I were a GM I would have taken the gamble though on Markov. He is that good. I would though have signed Hamrlik as well as insurance
I wouldn’t have and I think we sold Hamrlik at a good time. Watch game 7 and the Kelly goal again and you might change your mind. Price was even telling him off.
“I kind of feel sorry for players who never got a chance to be a Montreal Canadien” – Cammalleri
Ok then 2yrs? Why 3?
“I kind of feel sorry for players who never got a chance to be a Montreal Canadien” – Cammalleri
Two (2) questions – one legit and the other not so much. Let’s start with legit.
1) Dave et al., does anyone know why the habs were not interested in resigning Drew MacIntyre? Did he not want to return? It seemed he was going to be the #1 for the Bulldogs if he returned.
2) A few people below are talking about resigning Wiz over the summer instead of Markov. Not sure if you guys understood that Wiz was looking for more money elsewhere. I guess this is not a question but rather a statement.
The Habs were interested but Drew was looking for an opportunity to play in the NHL (surprise) and figured he had a better shot in Buffalo’s organization.
I just noticed that Cedrick Desjardins has already moved on to another team (Avs).
The world was crashing down about this guy and now he (like most of said) will be playing another year in the AHL and most likely a career AHLer.
I ran 3.2 ks three times this week. No head aches, but man was I ever slow. This extra 50 I’m hauling around could kill a guy.
Matthew has PeeWee A tryouts tonight. I love watching him play hockey. The team is also looking for a head coach, however I declined due to my Summit commitments. Nothing worse than having your head coach gone all the time.
I put together my Summit Prize.
15 cards double matted and framed. 5 of the cards are autographed by Hall Of Fame Canadien members. Whomever picks my prize should be happy.
Received my 16 Nov game tickets yesterday via FED Ex. The Bruins tickets should follow soon.
I was an idiot when I got my Canes tickets. I paid 90 bucks for whites. I thought the Bell would be sold out of seats but alas I could have used my wife’s visa and got the seats I really wanted. (200s). Oh well, I’ll know for next year.
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The 2011 Summit
This will be one to remember.
And don’t forget the Children’s Foundation Auction.
Raffle tickets are 20.00 ea or 3 for 40.00
Everyone should bring one item to raffle off.
Shane Oliver
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Ryan Whites family must be in close competition with you now for that title Sholi!
Good luck to your kid at tryouts tonight.
Looking forward to seeing you again Shane and the prize package sounds great.
***Subbang Baby!!!***
“I ran 3.2 ks three times this week. No head aches, but man was I ever slow. This extra 50 I’m hauling around could kill a guy.”
Congrats man!
Running is a challenge, but one day you’ll find yourself out there humming along and you’ll think to yourself… “man, I remember when 3km was my long run… ”
Good for you.
hopefully just a little fluid to drain and he will be back. personally i prefer markov @ 100% going into the playoff having only played 50 games than playing 82. sometimes some rest at the beginning or the middle of the season can be a blessing as long at a player is at 100% come april.
What years did Enrico Ciccone attend the Mark Recchi School of Medicine program? Did he graduate, if so with honours?
When Markov re-injured his knee last yr, I knew he would be done. I think we should have only signed him to a 1 yr deal, big mistake to do a multi yr deal! If it doesn’t count against the cap though, then I guess no harm, right? In terms of trading him, not sure who would want him with this chronic knee prob. I feel so bad for the guy, he’s one of the Russians that plays with heart! Given that Hammer and Wizard are no longer with us, looks like there a spot for whoever impresses at camp, otherwise I guess its Webber’s spot to lose, which I am not sure I am happy about.
habsrock_3 don’t say those things, you’ll get jumped on
Does anybody have the exact date AM had his knee drained? If so, How long before AM is allowed to start rehab again on his knee?
I’m mildly surprised that it took until the team’s golf tournament for fear and loathing to reach epidemic proportions in Hab-land.
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This years Chicken Little moment. What’s next, the fans boo Markov during pre-season games ?
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In fairness Dave, given the news that was just leaked/came out knowing the fan base as you do, did you expect anything else?
Not sure there was the standard reason for epidemic fear and loathing until this came out.
But in the end, you guys have to be happy for the extra hits generated. LOL
I’m guessing this won’t be the last “crisis” we’ll see this season. Should make for an interesting media session tomorrow at medicals, anyway. More than a few players we didn’t speak with yesterday hopefully will be available – Markov, Gill, Plekanec, Spacek, Moen and Budaj among them.
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Yah no doubt tomorrow should be a feeding frenzy, no need to bring chum its all in the water already. I am guessing you will be needing to wear a helmet, elbow and shoulder pads to get in the scrum with PG/JM when the Markov update comes out. Good luck, man appreciate all you do for us fans here. Cheers!
The news on Markov is not great, but to have this news discussed on a grey and rainy day is even worse. It’s like an old-school Goth gig on HIO today. The gamble was a failure, PG must be fired, Wiz was suddenly good, Hamrlik was getting younger every day, we’ll never see another Cup and it’s already September 15th and we’re not in the play-offs.
The Habs’ best defenceman has a knee injury. The team knows exactly what’s wrong with the knee. They paid him a pile of their money so they must figure he’ll be back and be good. Relax gang. Chill. In a few weeks, if the Habs do start out well (touch wood) there will be a sea of posters saying early in the season games are meaningless.
Can they cover for the short term loss of Markov? Yeah. Is Markov healthy better than Wiz? It’s no contest. Would he be a major loss? Huge. Is he a loss? Not yet.
Very good summation Hodge.
J.T.’s very first statement is wrong, PG didn’t say that Markov wouldn’t be able to start the season, he said that if the season started right now then he wouldn’t be ready, there is still time for his injury to come around. The fact of the matter is no one knows what is really happening with Markov (especially the media), only Markov and his doctor’s know, he could be ready for the start of the season. And even if he isn’t the team has proven that the can play well without him, he is only one player on a very good team! Everyone settle down.
Is it October Yet??
Thankfully as JM pointed out at the Golf tourney, Friday all players will get their physicals. Obviously after that JM and PG will be extremely forthcoming (they always are) and tell us all about Andrei, Josh and MaxPac’s recovery.
I believe PG acted on signing Andrei with complete advice from Doctors assuring him that AM’s knee surgery went fine and recovery was/is fully expected. If indeed he got this agua on the knee purely as a result of overexertion in rehab and no infection sets in, this should result in a few week delay of the rehab process. I seem to recall hearing it would be touch and go whether he was technically to be ready for Training Camp even at the outset. It would be unfortunate if we don’t have him for the first few weeks of the regular season, but if indeed he does come back healthy by Nov. we should be in pretty good shape.
But we do have right to be concerned if indeed the setback becomes more serious. With regards to Wiz, he went through all these rehabs as well on his knees and has gone on to recover well. Lets hope the same for Andrei.
Anyways, I am not trying to sound like an eternal optimist who believes everything Mgmt does turns to gold, but rather realize talent wise Markov is the better signing between Wiz and he provided he be healthy.
If it turns out worse, then that decision will be and should be second guessed as that is what fans and media tend to do. But until it is shown that full recovery is not expected I will hope for the best.
Let’s face it, like it or not, Markov apparently has become ‘injury prone’ at this stage of his career.
Yet another brilliant managerial decision (to let experienced D men walk) may cost Pierre Gauthier his job…we can only hope so.
Brinkley,
PG offered Hammer a one year contract which he turned down so he didn’t “let him walk”. As for Wiz, would you really want to pay him 5.5mil a season? Yeah he can put up points, but he’s not sound defensively and he’s also had major knee issues.
- Honestly yours
The news that Markov might not be ready to start the season has fans bemoaning the team’s decision not to offer a contract to James Wisniewski, but the decision not to re-sign Roman Hamrlik might be the more serious error. Hamrlik played huge minutes the last two years when Markov was injured, and his contribution was invaluable, although often overlooked by Habs fans. The fact the team offered him a one-year deal is proof they valued his services; and the two-year deal he signed with Washington does not look so bad now. If Markov misses significant time, our defence suddenly goes from solid to shaky, with half of it made up of guys with little or no NHL experience and with Spacek no doubt playing way too many minutes. It could be a rough start to the season, worse than that if Markov misses more than a few games.
hammer did log large minutes last year, but those minutes were filled with mistakes, poor d-zone coverage and very little offensive support. I’m happy he’s gone and think that a Diaz or Yemelin or Weber are more than capable of doing the job IF Marky is a no go for the season. I’d rather see and except a mistake or two from a younger D than see a vet like Hammer make them! The boys will be fine!
Shaker
Just going to leave the most epic goal of all time here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1uSfAGtpSs
LOL omg that’s awesome
Now I really want him at 100% at some point early on this season.
After a 20 year wait this is painful news about Markov.Sh!t news like this is kinda what I felt would happen with this injury when it blew up the last time and its a pity.Maybe Bobby Orr can give him pointers on how to be better than most on one leg? Sooner or later these long term contracts gambled up in Vegas with ailing or fading hockey stars is going too throw the whole season under a Bus before it even starts. Is this truly how you build a Stanley Cup team?
Markov definitely has the talent to justify his contract, but was it worth such a huge risk knowing he was such a gamble to come back to anywhere near 100% to let a 50 point d-man go? No…Markov was a good d-man before his injuries, but how good will he be if he only plays half the games or any at all?
I still think the risk was too high in giving him such a lucrative deal on such a big question mark on his knee..
Now we have no Hamrlik and Wiz to give his minutes to…Instead we have 2 players that haven’t played 1 NHL game that may HAVE to be NHL ready to eat some of those minutes (Emelin/Diaz) or dare I say it…Spacek? Yikes..
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The notion that signing Markov was a “risk” or a “gamble” or other similar claims gaining some currency is really, with all due respect, a bunch of crap.
If Markov can no longer play, then his contract does not count against the cap, and the Canadiens can make the permanent move to replace him via, e.g., trade.
Moreover, this past summer there really was not a comparable free agent defenceman the Canadiens could have gone after, that is, one who could offer the total game Markov can bring. Let’s face it: the Wiz brought offence from the blueline, but he is a dreadful defensive defenceman.
If Markov is hurt again, his salary is Geoff Molson’s problem. I am sure Molson can do without that ivory back scratcher.
Great, we have signed Markov who is injury prone and Gauthier made a big blunder by not signing Wiz, a good old fashioned American boy who plays 200%.
I really believe Markov will never play to his full potential ever again whether with the Habs or with another team.
His career is over and we wasted millions on signing him.
“We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “
I’m sorry but does no one remember how invisible Wiz was the last 30 games of the season? Like he wasn’t bad but he certainly wasn’t a game changer at the end of the year. He played great in New York and really good when he first came over, but he wasn’t that big of a loss. Get over it. His 2 points in the playoffs wasn’t very impressive either. I liked the guy but he doesn’t even come close to measuring up to Markov, who I still believe is a top 5 dman in the league, and probably top 3 defensive defencemen in the league. Ya, I said defensive defenceman, and he puts up points. Water on the knee is such a non-issue. The at worst comparable to getting strep throat. The only damage it does is it keeps you from staying in shape, and its the beginning of the season. He’s fine, and he will be fine all year.
So you hope….and for the Wiz comparison, at least he was on the ice..Just sayin’..
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Markov is not a defensive defenseman, he has major flaws in his defensive game and I’d rather have Wiz in front of Price protecting the crease than Markov.
Wiz may not be talented as Markov but the guy will play with a broken arm and suit for us.
Can’t say much about Markov if he would do the same.
We gambled on Markov this year plain and simple.
“We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “
Man this guy is as bad as DeadDalley in his moodswings
I can’t believe there are still people saying that PG should have signed Markov to a one year deal.
If that would have been possible, PG would have done it. But there was no way Markov or his agent were going to accept that. It was wither a multi year deal, or they’d have walked, and found another team willing to offer it.
So, you let him walk and give that $$ to Wiz…We now have no Wiz and maybe no Markov..Markov was a gamble…Unless he plays at a level he was at before his knee injury, then it was terrible asset management by PG..You NEVER give that type of contract to a player if there is ANY question marks on his recovery…
Obviously, PG is sweating bullets right now..Which he should be..For his sake, Markov better come back and play close to or at the level he was at prior or that contract will not be justified…
I hated the contract from the time I heard about it…Now you know why..
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What do you mean for his sake? It’s not like his job is on the line. He has not made one decision yet that has turned out to be bad.
And Markov will earn his money, don’t you worry about it.
Blind to reality or overly optimistic? How long have you been a Habs fan? There is a HUGE amount of pressure on this team every year to win..If we don’t make the playoffs or Markov’s injury is more than what the team is making it, PG’s job will be on the line…
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“And Markov will earn his money, don’t you worry about it.”
After reading this article, I am worried..How can you not be?
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Water on the knee is such an insignificant injury. Its just swelling which puts a little pain on the joint. You drain, it, you rest it, you ice it. No permanent damage. The worst thing about it is he may not be able to be in tip-top shape when he starts the season. But it’s the beginning of the season so no big deal. I totally expect him back for season opener.
Water on the knee insignificant?
If it was insignificant then there would be no need for an invasive procedure to drain the fluid.
It was significant enough to warrant flying to the US to have his Doctor drain it!
The same fluid which is the result of inflammation of the joint.
Obviously copious quantities of Advil didn’t do the job!
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…..My empire is crumbling, my international sponsors are deserting me, my authority is questioned, I am held in contempt wherever I go.
Who am I: Mohamar Ghadaffi or Gary Bettman.
Just for the record, I was weary of this when PG gave him his extension…I said the safer route was to keep Wiz..Now we have a guy with a bum knee and no Wiz….Great…
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What do you mean ‘now’? his knee was injured for 2 seasons now. This is a set back, it’s not another injury. We’re talking a little more time to recover, not complete rehabilitation. This doesn’t mean the season is done. Worst case he misses up to Dec. by which he will be in prime shape in Jan. Let’s spare the I told you so business for when he plays through the season or reinjures the knee.
What I mean by “now” is exactly what it says..We have a guy with a bum knee making 6M a season…Its black and white..I have had reconstructive surgery (MCL) on my knee and it has never been the same..So, I have a bum knee, no?
Markov has a bum knee..
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This isn’t some new injury. Markov’s knee has been “bum” all summer and including last summer. He made the same money with the same injury and has been on the IR for 2 seasons. I’ll ask you the same question you asked someone above. How long have you been a habs fan?
I remember back before AM was re-signed stating ny case to keep Wiz instead due to AM’s knee injury and no one knowing if or when he would come back or how he would play. Seems like my thoughts are unfortunatly coming through. Now we have AM and I hope this is just a minor setback and he plays like he did before his 2 leg injuries but knees are funny things and if he is out for an extended time (and I hope he’s not) we are heading into the season prehaps in the same shape we were in when AM went down but no one liek Wiz around to pick up. Also still waiting for some muscle to protect our smaller players.
Mr. Biter
let’s talk about Kostitsyn, wonder how his comments about JM is gonna fly this year. I think AK had a legit reason after all, JM jerked him around last year. He was doing fine on a line with Cammy and Pleks at the start of the season. then JM decided he was gonna kick start Gomez so I wouldn’t totally blame AK a lot had to do with JM’s coaching….
Can’t wait for the comments.
On TSN they had a clip of AK downplaying it all saying he has no problems with JK (JM said the same) and that the reporter was looking for a story. Which makes sense to me but at the same time saying this stuff is in the best interest of all parties. Either way though I don’t think anything will change and I wouldn’t at all be surprised if he stays in MTL
As I entered a rink in Kelowna this AM (the same building also houses an off-season training facility used by Gorges, Price, Weber and others), Wade Redden was walking out.
Appears he is working out here until heading to his AHL club’s training camp … or gets a call from someone looking for help on the back end (?). Unknown what is left on the deal he signed with Sather but, if remaining term is relatively short, just putting it out there that he could be a temporary fix for the Habs if the Markov situation drags on. Thoughts ?
ALWAYS Habs -
D Mex
NOOOOOOOOOO !!!
“Wanting is often more pleasurable than having.It is not logical but it is often true.” – Spock
I think its three years at 6.5M per…. brutal contract. One of the worst in the NHL. I’m sure the Canadiens could send a NHL winger and a top defense prospect for him though…. wait…
I read a couple times last year that Redden could still be an NHL defenseman, but in a bottom pairing role and not at that price.
Uh, what i’m saying is the Canadiens should not pick up Redden.
Do we sign some insurance (aside from Woywitka)? Our bottom three right now are Emelin, Weber, and Diaz. These are all guys with limited to no NHL experience. I’m hoping Marky is ready to go, but, if he’s not and if we get another injury, we’re screwed.
Campoli, Price and Gorges’ buddy, is still available.
Meh, play it by ear. Or plan b PANIC!!!!
I sense some frustration.
“Wanting is often more pleasurable than having.It is not logical but it is often true.” – Spock
Markov he’s the guy PG signed to babysit Yemelin or Emelin whatever you want to call him.
Who is Markov?
It’s OK.
Just means TWO big contracts buried in the minors by Christmas, and that means more money.
EDIT: Sarcasm..not always subtle. Seriously though, with this news, the Crosby for Markov + Top 6 Forward + 1st Rounder deal is about to go through. Can’t wait for Sid playing in the Bleu Blanc Rouge
True River.
Markov has water on the knee. A few people in here may have water on the brain …
But it’s only water, if that is the only issue, then this is not a big deal. Water in the knee is not a structural issue.
Who are the contracts?
Gomez and Markov?
Gomez and Spacek?
Gauthier and Martin?
Gomez will bounce back this season, Markov will not!
Martin is the weakest link & should just go away!
Spacek just stands near Price with that stupid A$$ look on his face when he can’t take his man resulting in a goal scored!
DeanDalley: it doesn’t matter what you say on this site someone will disagree…
Not true.
Ture Neut. They think that only thier opinion matters …
Not at all, but you do seem to have a record for predicting things in the opposite of what happens. Call it a planned reverse jinx, and let’s move on….
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Is that so Bill.
Give me my record then?
List my predictions …
Halak v. Price.
Wiz v. Markov.
There are many others during the season, and I’m sure others here remember some as well. I do tend to try and block you out as a general rule, today you bugged me enough to post some replies, won’t happen very often I assure you.
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I’m with Bill on this.
Habs in 5
Price cost us the series
Bruins in 6
Habs in 7.
Or did you forget all that.
Oh and I thought I’d just throw in the fact you called Price a sieve in the playoffs during one of your mood swings.
I am not surprised at all the knee jerk reactions.
Ahh, I had missed all this chaos.
Should have kept the wiz …
Should never hold it in for too long though.
***Subbang Baby!!!***
*this
Started a subscription to the Hockey Truth Monger today and just got my first bit of news about Markov’s condition. Apparently, the water they found in his knee was fluoridated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI
***Subbang Baby!!!***
Apparently they are waiting for final DNA test results.
Berky has been ruled out on account of being human.
Hmmmm! Wonder who is left????
I heard that they used a new surgical device called the Markov Knee Rover. It not only found water but they think that there might have been life there under the surface long ago.
But some people are claiming that it was an alien probe that discovered the information.
That information, if true, is apollo-ing.
Definitely not ‘Gary Roberts’ approved water.
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“We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin
Is anyone really surprised by this? as soon as Markov goes into the corner against…. well anyone there’s going to be another issue.
Markov is an elite talent, but he is injury prone.
Keeping Markov over Wiz was a risk and the Canadiens did it. The Canadiens should have kept both and released “Chins” Spacek. Wiz would have stayed for less money in Montreal than playing for Columbus.
I really hope Diaz and Yemelin are good because they are going to get a chance to prove it.
Release Spacek? This ain’t the NFL.
Wow, Wiz would’ve stayed for less money in Montreal? Can you get his autograph for me, since you know/talk to him?
Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.
Buy him out, send him to Hamilton, whatever.
35+ contract, can only save 100K by sending him to Hamiton. No buy out savings.
Ugh, can you learn the salary cap/contract rules before you make comments like this? We’ve covered this topic a million times.
Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.
We can’t all frequent the comments section now
@Trisomy
True. Should have left that part out. I still think hockey fans should understand the basic contract/salary cap rules.
Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.
My apologies for not covering your millions of hard fought debates discussing buy outs on HIO during the summer. I hope you did something else during the summer.
My understanding was the Canadiens could have bought Spacek out for about 1.3M over two seasons… you save a roster spot and i don’t have to watch Spacek anymore…. maybe that is not the case. I will not look into it as i refuse to take any sort of directions from high and mighty internet commenters who spend way too much time on the internet.
Chris I think our definitions of basic differ. I don’t even know those rules about the clearing cap room very well and I would consider myself a bigger hockey fan than most people I know personally. However I’m glad to learn a few new things regarding these 35+ caveats
@Matt
Nice! My first personal attack on HIO. You’ll always have a special place in my heart Matt. You are my first, after all. I always pictured it would be on a beach with candles but…..
Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.
Matt
No one in here wants to admit Markov is damaged other than U & I
*andalley
I also thought he was damaged goods and if we are playing the Broons with a big lead AM goes down.
Mr. Biter
Frank,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-BYzaDwNoE
Eric, in light of one of tonight’s themes, would this one not be more appropriate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auvl-gVWZEo&feature=related
Get out the tinfoil out, Marinaro has the “real” scoop: http://twitter.com/#!/TonyMarinaro
this just in, my contact is an ass, markov is fine, i apologize to all
I’d think you’d better run and hide now. You’ve upset a few.
i can only apologize
Holy Smokes Mofo, if you want my humble opinion, this should be a minor setback. My bro had ACL done a while back and ended up with Agua on the Knee, he just had to take it easy for a bit, make sure no infection then continue rehab. But me no Doc and my bro ain’t Andrei.
if your at the summit ill make it up to ya man
eoYp
well played
Alright, panic scale 6. Its like the Cold War all over again. Not that I can remember that anyway.
Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.
im sorry man
Andrew Berkie Jr. is living proof that fluoride supplements are not beneficial nor recommended. Regardless, he swears by it.
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“We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin
Your command of the language is utterly astounding.
Edit…you missed one.
***Subbang Baby!!!***
Isn’t it though?
Hey, it’s General Ripper: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0he-LZNzVg0
Okay so I just brushed my teeth, was I not supposed to do that?
You will soon look like the guy in E1′s avatar.
Tap water is the issue.
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“God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Psalms 82:1-2
“We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin
One of the best tap dancing sequences ever filmed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBb9hTyLjfM
Oh, sorry, wrong tap.
***Subbang Baby!!!***
ouch!
Oh I really hope all this bs is overblown and it’s a minor setback. If he’s out or in a position to be knocked down early…..then the GM looks like a complete fool.
If markov LOOKED on track and 100%? Then hey, shite happens. However if Gauthier knew it was a risk then this whole thing looks far far worse.
Are you kidding? HIO needs hits.
Let me get the ball rolling.
I knew Markov’s house of cards knee was going to crumble. They rushed him again. Wiz was the better bet.
I heard some other rumours.
Price doesn’t want to play with the Habs any more.
PK wants out too.
Gomez is just going through the motions, you know, saying all the right things. He’s gonna be smoking his fatties with Cheech and Chong soon.
AK put a hit on JM. He’s gotta get out of town first so it doesn’t look suspicious but Hammer and Sergei are in the know. Expect AK to be traded by year’s end.
RDS will soon report that Cammy hasn’t been to any of his French lessons and uses Google translate for his French tweets.
I’ve got more inside scoops but I’ll save them for a slow day.
Some fat cat somewhere is rubbing his hands with glee as the madness racks up hit after hit after hit…
So what else is new.
Markov is damaged goods …..
Thanks, because you are after all the Eklund of HI/O.
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Amen
WA WA WA Billy Boy. Like your comments are the only ones that matter or make sense. Get over yourself!
Not at all, I am not as pretentious as you would like to paint me as.
Apparently I call a spade a spade, and people agree with some of what I say. Go figure, I guess that’s what happens when you post sane thoughts here.
Seriously, you need to get over yourself before you can judge others or tell others to do that.
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Bill unlike U, i’m not shootin down other’s comments!
Actually, it’s exactly what you are doing.
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An ode to all Hab fans;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08e9k-c91E8&feature=related
Markov is a 6th round pick. The Habs got a 5th for Wisniewski. We’re covered.
If Timmins keeps drafting the way he has. Wizwhosky ?
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Sometimes you’re the crazy one, nights like tonight you’re the only one who’s keeping it sane.
Scary stuff and for real. There’s an actual organization called The Knee Society.
http://www.kneesociety.org/web/index.html
I caution you to read at your own peril. The info contained and linked here plus other reputable medical sites discussing knee ailments will have you quaking in your boots.
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More than Markov quaking in his skates?
I take back every post i was blazé about regarding markov, i have an in with the training staff in brossard and their is serious chatter that hes out for the season
not just water on the knee (if that apparantly)
apparantly its a complete re-tweak
i dunno what to say
You are now in the lead for the doomiest of the doom and gloom posts on the topic.
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look at my posts and accuse me of being a negative nancy like the other mentalmmidgets that frequent here
im not in fact writing that made me annoyed with myself
but i tell no lie
So this is not just a normal “tweak” of the knee?
We jinxed it. I think it’s time we heal some line combos.
Hmmmm, here I thought you where playing… Hey… If you’re right, the Habs would instantly have enough Cap room to make an offer to Doughty.
Rumor has it he wants a heavily front loaded contract, it would require Molson’s sign off on the deal likely, due to the possible lockout looming. Can you imagine Doughty with Subban, with Price behind those two for the next 10 years ?
Win/Win.
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You being serious Mofo? Or you just looking to do some non trademarked tweaking here.
im just bein the middle man here but apparantly its not a pretty sight
Appreciate the straight talk mofo, but if this is indeed bad then PG and the Docs got some serious splaining to do, you know the Ricky Ricardo kind.
Should I upgrade the panic scale to a 9 out of 10?! How can I sleep tonight now?
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I thought you were completely flipped out by now, glad you can still type. May the force be with you Chrisadiens.
Yeah yeah, call me when it’s official.
(ugg…)
No wonder all the crazies are out. Monday was Full Moon…I can hear the dueling banjos now.
In honor of all aliens everywhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8
Well, knee injury recoveries are 50/50 success. I’ve known many people who’ve had knee surgery and the majority of them had setbacks. Let’s hope this is only a minor setback for Markov and the Habs.
Not good news, but let’s see what happens before we assume we know the outcome already…
For anyone who believes the Habs should have kept Wiz instead of Markov….
When healthy, side by side. We all agree, Markov is better overall. And completely owns Wiz in certain aspects of their game.
Wiz has gone through what Markov has, and he’s doing fine.
Keeping Markov, over Wiz remains the better choice IMO.
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Your logic has no place here!
http://twitter.com/andrewberkshire
I often feel like this place pushes away all logic in the summer months, I can’t wait to talk about games again.
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You think just during the summer?
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During the season, I find there is more Zen to the madness. Yeah, we are Hab fans after all. Some are just too passionate, can’t fault that.
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I can handle passion, it’s the idiotic jumping to conclusions that’s annoying.
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Now see I’m the opposite, I find the season to be too crazy here. So will read but rarely post.
HF: I dig you, you should post during this season, just ignore the ones that bother you. Focus on the posts you agree with, there will be many I am sure.
Help us sane ones combat the EverlastingGrowingNumbers.
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If Halak wins the Vezina and Price comes back to earth this discussion will be moot. Until then only the next 3 seasons will answer that question.
I wouldn’t have minded keeping Wiz and letting Markov go but that didn’t happen. Either way, PG has gambled and hopefully correctly, because in both cases, Halak/Price and Wisniewski/Markov, there were no guarantees and both choices were gambles, regardless of however calculated.
Everlasting3 ?
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punkster4 ?
wow! the season hasn’t started yet and I’m already depressed.
if Markov doesn’t play this year, habs are toast.
I heard markov was willing to accept a 2 year deal, but Gauthier, who loves to waste $$$, decided to add an extra year.
Hang on you heard this, what are you the file clerk at the Molson Centre and you were walking by PG’s office during the negotiation? Seriously where did you hear that?
Ssshhh HB, “they hear all, see all”. He is obviously here with E1, don’t move or speak and maybe they will go away… sshhh!
And I just thought I heard something move in my house…. oh yah the dog wants out to pee, that was really scary
Tony Marinaro, team 990, reported it when the deal was signed.
apparently Marinaro has great contacts.
that’s why he gets all the scoops first.
you forgot to mention he mskes shit up but okay
Y’all jus’ keep runnin’ back repeatin’ ‘em now ya hear.
I heard he wanted a one year.
What’s your source?
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My sources are tellin’ me Marky was willin’ to accept -1 year; i.e., he was prepared to reimburse the team for 2010-11.
PG is so st00pid.
I don’t know why but st00pid excites me for some reason.
I can’t believe how many people have WAY better hearing than me, this is crazy.
As interesting as Tony can be, he’s just like a lot of reporters out there who are always trying to get the “scoop”
I wouldn’t say he’s lying but I’m going to wait on a report from someone a little more credible before I trust this.
So if we keep him away from the sweets and booze the gout related water will dissappear right?
I’m just waiting until the commentariat decides it’s actually a tumour or something.
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I thought was pronounced a Toomaah, oh wait Arnold is Austrian not Russian, never mind…lol
IT’S NOT A TOOMAAH! It’s not a toomah…
You guys really make me laugh. He had SUCH a bad setback that he’s still skating every day.
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No Andrew, you don’t understand. I’ve already got my tinfoil hat on, joined the SETI distributed network and I’ll be out watching the skies tonight with my telescope. An alien invasion is our only hope of postponing the season until Markov is ready.
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You might get your wish, one of their scouts is down below… and they already have taken poor Bugsy away and and (shudder) probed him with a (shudder) meat thermometer…ouch!!!!!!
:O
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What’s next, you renaming yourself: Everlasting2 ?
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Can there be 2 of them? Are they starting to multiply, we got far bigger issues here than Markov’s pastry stricken knee.
THere is a big difference between being able to skate around a practice rink with 2 other injured players with no contact and playing in an NHL game that is fast and physical.
I agree, and doing hard pivots and skating drills like he was yesterday morning it in between those two things.
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Where did you read that data?
Stunt double, obviously. Real Markov on the lam with Quaddafi somewhere in Africa.
WOW, add $5.75M to Gomezes $7M and you now have a waste of nearly $14M worth of cap space. Nice job Pierre!!
L TRAIN
An English to Russian translator for Yemelin will cost you that anyway
“I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein
Now add the cost of on-ice defensive coach and we’re talking big savings.
Pierre didn’t acquire Gomez. But yu can blame him for it anyways if that makes you feel better
Yeah thats it… pseudogout…. nothing at all to worry about…just make believe gout really.
“I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein
The end of the world!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qgcy-V6YIuI
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Please for the love of humanity and all things decent…enough!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyj2qL-bQ4E&feature=related
I haven’t heard that one in years…decades maybe. Good find.
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Silence may be golden
but duct tape is silver
“I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein
“Words to live by” Steve Smith
Been a cruel, cruel summer…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDrKm6OzSCM
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Heck, it was just below yours on the side bar but shucks if you say so.
Hey Frank,
I thought that Spinal Tap went by the name the “Originals” back when they started out… or was that the Folksmen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzkILGr2-Ok
Holy smokes but I had forgotten this…
F’in knew it. Where there is smoke, there is fire and when the rumours started about Markov, I had a feeling something wasn’t right. Damn.
…and another…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsWMIURXZhM
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Oh Andrei…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrA7l0q8uE4
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RDS is reporting the same.
http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/326339.html
So it’s not disastrous. Hopefully, they’re only extending his rehab a week or two.
suck it up Markov. did he have the water taken off before the contract was signed or after we signed him for too long he is a big risk
this is good news to me, the less games he plays in the regular season the more likely he plays playoff games.
Chicken Little has a meltdown in 10… 9…. 8… 7….
I’ll wait until the opener before I start freaking out.
25 before 14
I once had a water filled blister. The episode set me back a day. My boss was not pleased. The following day I drained the blister and was good to go.
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“We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin
Water on the knee is not a water blister. Did you Recchi get MD studies at the same school???
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water-on-the-knee/DS00662
E1 has never seen a school he can’t pretend he doesn’t need.
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Didn’t you hear?
“School is out after graduation.” -E1
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Implying that he’s ever graduated from anything is E1′s funniest post yet.
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My dog just got over a two-day bout of watery diarrhea.
You hear that? It’s our fault… he was working too hard, to be ready, for US. But in all seriousness… there’s a refund available on tickets past December, right?
Well if Tony is right then the cat is out of the bag and the Habs will have to man up. Guess we’ll know tomorrow
“I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein
A little water on the knee, and Tony Marinaro as the source of the story… let’s see how he is when he gets to camp, and in the meantime, chill.
oy vey
He is still skating, he skated with Leblanc and Fortier yesterday morning (both of who are injured)
But when I said that was not good news yesterday i was making mountains out of “anthills”
I wonder how bad of a setback this is, does anyone know enough about this stuff?
Eighth place is ours!
Someone referred to me as a know it all couple days ago because of a comment I made and I got jumped on when I said I would have signed Markov with one year contracts, how am I looking now, a setback before training camp oh well it’s not my money couldn’t care less.
looking like a know it all…
is that what you were looking to hear?
I will man-up as one of those that “jumped” on you. The season hasn’t started yet, but you MAY have been right. Way too early to call yet.
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I don’t know you, nor the discussion to which you refer.
But you kind of sound like a smarty pants.
There’s two sides to all negotiations when it comes to UFA’s, one year didn’t cut it for Markov. And you can bet if he signed elsewhere he would have gotten 2+ years.
I am glad they kept him, he plays with the CH deeply implanted on his heart, end of story.
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Man.. Markov can’t catch a break. Feel bad for him. Sucks for everyone else too, but he must really be getting tired of this bs.
Is this only Tony being Tony?
Double.
I say send an offer to LA for Mr Doughty.
Sigh…….Markov.
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Then the Habs are over the cap, no go.
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Bummer. Well like last year, we’ll have to make do.
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Now it’s a 7 out of 10 on the panic meter. Setbacks are scary.
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LOL, i wouldn’t be too worried, he probably got from overuse/overtraining. They will drain it, take it easy for a few days make sure its not coming back and start rehabbing again. This is dumbed down stuff, but my bro had this when he played national team volleyball after he had knee surgery.
HI/O meltdown in 3…2…1…
Bring on HH and the tank avatar! Shoulda kept Wiz. Halak is better. JM sucks. Time for N.A.G. Gomez is overpaid. The smurfs will never win. Cammy wont be the same without Iggy.
Did I miss anything?
Edit: Konopka is our only chance! MAB!!!!!
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You forgot to bring Brisebois out of retirement.
You’re slipping.
How could i forget? Shoulda kept Koivu too. Which reminds me, didn’t you used to have a Koivu jersey as your avatar?
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Quick add MAB before Timo arrives!
So I booked some space for us to begin leaping off a nearby cliff. Anyone want in?
Laugh and the whole world laughs with you.
Leap and you leap alone!
The Wiz was not a terrible defenseman. He’s in my eyes an excellent 2nd pairing guy who helps on the powerplay.
Markov is better, when he plays.
But we’re talking about a second serious knee injury to the same knee in how many seasons…
I hope Markov comes back and plays well, but i guess we’ll have to see
Stats Wiz vs. AM
Wiz 27 years old 329 games +/- 5 302 PIMS
AM 32 years old 623 games +/- 31 261 PIMS
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