Markov soon to sign for two years: report

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According to Tony Marinaro of the Team 990, the Canadiens will soon re-sign all-star defenceman Andrei Markov for two season.

The deal is reportedly valued at $11.5 million.

The Russian blue-liner has missed most of the last two seasons with various injuries, playing only 52 games.

After the report spread via Twitter, Markov’s agent, Don Meehan, denied a deal was imminent this week, but added a deal could be done by next week. Meehan is supposed to meet with Canadiens general manager Pierre Gauthier in Minnesota later this week during the NHL entry draft.

248 Comments

  1. sally122 says:

    Only thing left is cold blooded murder. THAT frees up the cap.Swear to gosh, look at the fine print!Ok, sooo…how do we do this, execution-style or gangland-style?
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  2. V says:

    Like many here, I like the Wiz and it would be great to see him on the team for many of the reasons stated. May happen.

    But it’s a tough one… you’re not going to sign him for much less than he would expect to make from others in free agency – he could be close to Markov territory with longer term. The price will be inflated. And Montreal fans know more about the trouble caused by inflated contracts than most… expectations are going to go way up (paid like Markov you better play like Markov) and competing for PP time with Subban/Markov may put him in a less advantageous position to meet them.

    We can sign him and then trade him close to trading deadline for the Top 6 winger we are looking for… but with the inflated contract he becomes harder to trade – especially if he has not had the opportunity to properly justify the contract. Besides, if he even sniffs this possibility, why would he sign here?

    I like the option some others have stated below – try to trade his rights to negotiate before free agency and with luck get back something close to the draft pick we gave up for him.

  3. HabinBurlington says:

    Well no need to watch the draft upcoming, Pierre Mcguire has done his mock draft and Montreal Drafted Brandon Saad. Pierre says we need him to improve our physical play. In Pierre we trust….

  4. BeeGee says:

    Glad to see some realistic views on here. So in that spirit, letting go of the EA sports NHL GM in me, I would like to say this:

    In this year’s UFA bunch the pickings are slim. I see only Laich as a possible fit for the top six. It’s not a perfect fit and he’ll be sought after, therefore cost too much. But more importantly, it’s a big gamble to count on him choosing mtl.

    I don’t know that we have the assets currently to fill that spot through trade, at a price we’re willing to pay.

    So, I would like to see PG sign the Wiz and Poulette because they are assets… Would be a real shame to loose them for nothing.

    Add a big tough fourth liner and this lineup should win it’s share of regular season games, especially if Gomer produces reasonably. Cammy should have a better year and the kids are going to keep developing. I don’t see this team doing worst than last season in any case.

    The big challenge for PG is to make the necessary adjustment during the season to adress the size and grit issue, which as we’ve seen is a necessary come playoff time.

    If we’re close enough, the goat can make a splash at the deadline and put this team over the top.

  5. cheezboie says:

    Just wanted to repost this eklund vid as he has Habs interested in Ryan Malone rumor up. Where would he play with Camm/MaxPac playing LW on the first two lines? –
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzMuCM01MtY

    My armchair GM 11/12 Habs –
    rough salary guess-timates in brackets = cap hit of 56.044 mill
    leaving 7.206 million for in season adjustments (cap ceiling rumored to be 64 million)

    Camm 6 – Pleks 5 – AK46 (off-wing) 3.25
    MaxPac 1.625 – Gomez 7.357/ Desharnais 0.850 – Gio 5
    Darche 0.7 – Eller 1.27 – Trotter (0.750)
    Moen 1.5 – Engqvist 0.900 – White (0.9)/Weber (righty) (1) (and on PP a la Streit)
    Pyatt (0.6)

    First call up – Palushaj

    Markov (lefty) (5) – Gorges (lefty) (3)
    Gill (lefty) 2.25 – Subban (righty) 0.875
    Yemelin (lefty) 0.984 – Weber (righty) (1)/Spacek (lefty) 3.833
    Spacek (lefty) 3.833 – Diaz (righty) 0.9

    first call up – Nash (lefty)

    Price 2.75
    Auld (1)

    -0.5 Laraque buyout
    (would be better if could move Gomez and/or Spacek)

    http://habsloyalist.blogspot.com/2011/02/gomez-effect.html

    http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2010/11/24/1833979/disecting-the-gomez-connundrum#storyjump

    Gomez for captain of the Hamilton Bulldogs?

  6. Biggest_Greek_HABSfun says:

    Really good sign !i think markov is done with all the injures he had the last couples of years and he is gonna bounce back !i love reading nice news like that !keep going Gauth !
    go habs GO

  7. TINMAN17 says:

    One way or the other we have to find a way to draft this kid Gabriel Landeskog, currently of the Kitchener Rangers. SeriousFan, what’s the story on this kid? I just watched a video of him on BarstoolSportsPhiladelphia, he looks like money in the bank for whoever drafts him. Swedish kid that everybody thinks is Canadian because of how he plays and he learned english well enough that he outdoes teammates in school, he’s 18. He’s obviously smart and from what I saw super talented.

    Born and Bred in Enemy Territory (Boston).

    • Marc10 says:

      Wow. I don’t know what a sure bet looks like in junior and these promo videos are always a thing of beauty, but this kid is interesting. Smart, big, fights, overachiever…

      How high is he slated to go? Ouch. No 2… He’s going to Colorado… Just as long as he’s not a Bruin, I’ll be happy.

      “To be irreplaceable, you have to be different”.
      Andy Warhol

      Go PK Go!

    • Chris says:

      Not rare at all for Scandinavians (Danes, Swedes and Norwegians) to speak excellent English. When my dad was growing up in Denmark in the 1930’s and 40’s, they were required to take a number of languages each year, with Danish and English basically mandatory most years. He ended up being fluent in Danish, English, Swedish, Norwegian, German and Latin (although he never could get a handle on French, and always claimed that Finnish was a bear to learn).

  8. RobertAlanFord says:

    We already have our top six:
    Cam-Plek-AK46(none of us are too crazy about)
    Patches-Gomez-Gio

    Bottom 6:

    Darche-Desharnais- Eller/ Pouliot(???)
    Moen-(ufa)-White(c/rw)

    Defense(not in this order):
    Subban-Gill
    Yemelin-Markov(WILL sign)
    Spacek/Weber – Gorges (Likely to sign)

    UFAs: Wiz ( hopefully but I have a feeling he’ll take a spot in Detroit), Halpern…. was supposed to be our faceoff guy but spent more time being kicked out of the circle than in so I doubt it. Mara and Sopel…Ciao. Hamrlik if Wiz doesn’t sign is likely but not for sure. We’ll have roughly 7 mil left over and if management feels the D is strong enough then that cash could land something notable.

    With one or two more in that category I feel confident the Habs will be a cup contender next year. Not saying all the way but semis at least. I’ve questioned some of PG’s moves in the past but overall I think he’s securing a helluva team for the next two years and won’t have too much difficulty retaining it afterwards. We’re headed in the right direction.
    -When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro-

  9. maiolola@comcast.net says:

    You know what’s sad? Markov can still get paid the same money as his last contract even though he has barely played the past couple of seasons and is a potential house of cards. What happened to the days of incentives? I would have given him a $3M base and he could earn up to $3M more depending on how many games and minutes per game he played.

    L Train

    • Talik Sanis says:

      Even though Markov loves this team, he would have laughed in Gautier’s face and walked off to free agency to earn more money than he’s getting now if we offered him a base salary of $3m. I’m sure he’s more concerned about his injury and future security than we are; he probably would not accept a games played bonus when even he’s uncertain about re-injury.

      Realistically, on the market he’d probably have gotten a longer term and/or a higher base salary than we gave him.

    • RobertAlanFord says:

      Totally agree. He should get the 3 to 4 base and an extra 1 if he plays x amount of games and another 1 for a full 82. Thats just me. I’m sure PG and his agent will have another idea but hey, we’re all here to express our opinions as armchair GMs afterall……

      -When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro-

    • Bugs says:

      Ridiculous.
      Sorry, Maio, but more to gain by signin’m and more to lose by not.
      It’s an EXCELLENT contract.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • GrimJim says:

      CBA prohibits performance bonuses except in entry-level contracts and contracts for players age 35 and older.

      • JIMVINNY says:

        That’s not entirely accurate. Provisions are made for player that have missed significant injury time over the previous few years. Markov definitely falls into that category, and would be eligible for a bonus-type contract. That being said, this is the final year the CBA, so any bonuses would count against the cap anyways. Might as well just give him the whole deal regardless. No sense in alienating him.

    • G-Man says:

      Know what’s sad? Thinking Markov would have signed for 3mil. What you been smoking?

  10. naweed235 says:

    If I were PG I would absolutly sign Wiz (even though with Markov signed that money would be better spent on a top 6 forward) for the following reasons:
    1) in case Markov gets injured, he is as best a backup plan we could find
    2) If Markov is back to his old self and things are going well with our D, we could use Wiz as trade bait for a solid top 6 forward at the trade dead line.
    I think this is the best option since we all know that there really isnt much available right now in terms of top 6 forwards UFAs and this is the only way to ensure we do not lose another Solid player for whom we paid a 2nd round pick for nothing…

    • naweed235 says:

      btw, I just read some of the other posts and reallized this is pretty much already said …lol so sorry if it seems like I repeated something I saw here b/c I hadnt read the posts before I posted this…

  11. Gindan69 says:

    For you wizmaniacs out there, PG has around 14 million left. He still has to sign white, webber, gorges, a backup goalie, an ass kicking 4th liner (we hope). That’s going to cost about 7. That leaves another 7. We know PG likes keeping a couple million in leaky roof money, so figure 5 mill for a top 6 or the wiz. I’m thinking they make a play for a top 6 with size. If that doesn’t work, they may take a run at wiz but he may be a bruin or redwing by then. they may end up with that money unspent. You never know on ufa day.

    • Mike D says:

      A top 6 forward with size is probably our club’s biggest need, but this year’s FA pickings are rather slim. As such, I’d rather we signed Wiz to a fair contract. At the very least he’d be a good back-up plan on the PP if Marky gets hurt again. Plus, we’d also then be able to trade him after a year or two for that top-6 winger, or maybe high draft picks or good prospects (depending on the team’s needs). This way we don’t lose him for nothing along with the 2nd round pick we spent to get him.

      – Honestly yours

  12. Bugs says:

    Markov – Gorgie
    Soobie- Jimmy
    Webber-Gill
    7) Spaceman
    8) Emelin/Diaz
    Edit: huh, so that’s what #8 + right parenthesis does…

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • OneTimer says:

      It looks good to us armchair GMs on the internet Bugs, but a veteran who makes 3.5M (or whatever) doesn’t get the pressbox. It just doesn’t happen.

      • naweed235 says:

        Ballard was making $4M in the press box most of the playoffs…

      • Bugs says:

        If a newcomer has proven to be more able-bodied in a majority of the facets of the game, yes it does happen.
        The argument works against Emelin (that I said on previous page), not necessarily againt Webber.
        Webber has a case; Emelin doesn’t.

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  13. habs001 says:

    the habs pp while in the top 10 did not have a solid feel to it…i my be wrong but is seems they scored their pp goals in bunches and had many poor games…the pp did not have the feel to it that it can score clutch goals

    • Talik Sanis says:

      As I recall, our power play was consistently impressive through the mid to late season. It was, however, consistently abysmal at the start of the year, accounting for it not being ranked higher.

      With the return of Markov and Subban’s continued offensive development throughout last season and into the next, I foresee it being an even greater strength next year.

      Further, it scored a very clutch goal in the playoff-clinching Blackhawks game, and in game 7 with the Bruins.

    • Scores in bunches, just like every other team.

      Didn’t “feel” like a clutch PP? Subban, game 7.

  14. habstrinifan says:

    Finally able to log-in and it was worth it seeing this news.

  15. LeDave says:

    Has anyone ever thought about what we could do if they bought out Space-case and used the increase in cap space to sign the Wiz??

    • Talik Sanis says:

      “Space-case” is over 35, signed at over 35 and is beyond the second year of his contract, thus buying him out would not result in a decrease to his cap hit.

      • LeDave says:

        Talik, yes this is true, but you also free up half of his salary. What is he making this up coming season?? Half of it goes to the cap, yes for the next 2 years, but that $1.5 you save this year along with the increase in cap space allows for his buy out leaving you similar numbers to this past season

        • Kooch7800 says:

          not when you are over 35. you don’t free up half. you take on the full 3.75

          • LeDave says:

            Kooch….. ah fair enough! The minors it is then!!!!

          • christophor says:

            um, Dave… nevermind.

          • Mike D says:

            @ LeDave

            No, even if we sent him to Hamilton, we’d still be on the hook for his cap hit. That’s the way it goes for players on 35+ contracts.
            Even if he left to sign in Europe or elsewhere we’d still be on the hook, I think.

            The only way we can remove his cap hit from our books is if we traded him to another team.

            – Honestly yours

          • habrez says:

            @Mike D. What if Spacek decided to retire, not that he would or anything.

          • Mike D says:

            @ habrez

            Same thing if he retires. We’d still be on the hook for the full cap hit unfortunately.

            – Honestly yours

          • Bugs says:

            Only thing left is cold blooded murder. THAT frees up the cap.
            Swear to gosh, look at the fine print!
            Ok, sooo…how do we do this, execution-style or gangland-style?

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • GrimJim says:

            Bugs, don’t the Kostitsins know a guy…?

  16. Trisomy 21 says:

    Isn’t this also the guy who said Gomez was leaving before the trade deadline?

  17. AndyF says:

    I’ll never forget that Markov signed for us for 4-yr a deal. He a Hab, through and through. If there’s one player that is a true Hab, it’s him!

    I saw him at Alexandre’s and bought him a beer once, just after he re-signed.

    http://andyfroncioni.com

  18. habaholic68NJ says:

    Hope Tony is right. If so, I would be happy if PG traded the rights for the Wiz to Detroit for a pick, signed Laich and went with the lineup below to start the season.

    Cammi-Pleks-Laich
    MaxPac-Gomer-Gio
    AK46-Eller-DD
    Moen-White-Darche
    Halpern

    Marky-Gorges
    PK-Gill
    Yemlin-Weber
    Spaceman

    Price
    Auld

    *Listen to my instrumental tribute entitled “Habs at War” at http://web.me.com/ptolias/Music/OtherOriginalMusic.html

  19. ProHabs says:

    Good to see Marky signed. Now Gauthier it is time. It is time to bring in the beef. Go out and get the muscle to protect this talent and hammer the Bruins. The players want some muscle as well. Any of you that have ever played hockey know what I am taking about. Skilled players love when their backs are covered. Go get the beef Pierre. Pierre are you there.

  20. Say Ash says:

    Question: Why does everybody think the increase in salary cap will benefit us? It’s a wash, no? Sure, players benefit, but every team’s purchasing power is the same. The cap increasing doesn’t make it any easier for us to sign that last guy over any other team. Am I missing something?

  21. SnowManHabs85 says:

    “Epp also represents pending RFA blueliner Josh Gorges of the Montreal Canadiens and said there hasn’t been any talks on that front yet.”

    I wonder whats going how come there hasn’t been any talks with Gorges.

    “Responding to the media , or playing to the media, or listening to the fans is the quickest way to start losing” – Sam Pollock

  22. Chris says:

    Maybe I was dreaming for most of last season, but I really felt like Hal Gill struggled mightily for the first 2/3 of the season. Yes, he turned it on and played amazing in the playoffs. But if he is a step slow for most of the year again, the Habs could be in trouble. Spacek has clearly lost his footspeed almost entirely, and Yemelin/Weber are still somewhat unknown.

    I LIKE the Habs defence corps and I am all for playing the young guys…they need to get in the line-up sometime. But I am a little reluctant to annoint a proposed defence corps (if the Markov signing isn’t just a misplaced rumour) of Markov-Gorges, Gill-Subban and Spacek-Emelin (with Weber as a swingman) as even being better than the group from 2007-08 (Markov-Komisarek, Hamrlik-Gorges, Bouillon-O’Byrne/Brisebois with Streit as a swingman), let alone the best since the mid 1990’s.

    I truly hope I’m wrong, but there are more question marks on that proposed blue line than usual: two guys coming off potentially career altering knee injuries, two guys who have clearly lost a step that probably shouldn’t be asked to play heavy minutes and two unproven players at the NHL level. And that isn’t even factoring in the potential for the dreaded sophomore slump for P.K. Subban.

    • Chris says:

      Looking around the league this past season, you have to marvel at some of the top-4 or even top-5 defence that were put together (when healthy):

      Pittsburgh: Letang, Michalek, Orpik, Martin
      Philadelphia: Pronger, Timonen, Carle, Coburn, Meszaros
      Vancouver: Bieksa, Hamhuis, Salo, Ehrhoff, Edler
      Chicago: Keith, Seabrook, Campbell, Hjalmarsson
      Detroit: Lidstrom, Stuart, Rafalski, Kronwall

      And then there are the up and coming blue-lines:
      NY Rangers: Staal, McDonagh (sigh!), Del Zotto, Girardi, Del Zotto
      St. Louis: Brewer, Pietrangelo, Johnson/Shattenkirk, Colaicacovo
      Washington: Green, Carlson, Alzner, Schultz, Poti

      The league is pretty rich in good defencemen right now…it is really amazing!

    • Trisomy 21 says:

      Gill always struggles. He’s someone who’s clutch in the post season it seems.

    • Mike D says:

      As a player, Gill shows his worth in the playoffs. As a leader in the room, he’s full value 100% of the time.

      – Honestly yours

    • Gill struggled when he wasn’t paired with Subban. That was pretty obvious. However he is a very good compliment to Subban’s rambunctiousness. That and Subban was so good in the last 50 games of the season that he was able to make Gill look good against top competition.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Gill will be better with Markov and Gorges back. Those two will eat up minutes that he was forced to take this season. Hopefully Jacques Martin will also give lots of ice time to the youngsters Yemelin and Weber, and bring these guys along. Gill should be fresh as a rose come playoff time.

      Gill has shown good chemistry with PK, they complement each other well. We can get another good season out of him and reevaluate next season.

      ———————————
      “I hate the Bruins more than the Nordiques, who I hate more than the Flyers.”

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  23. Mattyleg says:

    Ehhhhhxcellent.

    Now it’s just Gorgeous Gorges to ink, and we’re looking like we’re on our way. Be nice if Wizzy could stick around, but I’d rather have some beef up front instead.

    Don’t forget, though, we do need depth in D if last year’s injuries come back to haunt us…

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  24. Shiloh says:

    Good news if he signs – a fair price. With Hamrlik’s money off the books, it’s a good deal.

  25. Ok, random thought and looking for opinions. Send the rights to negotiate with Wisniewski to Boston, on the condition he signs the Habs get Jordan Caron. Do you do it?

    • Shiloh says:

      Not yet – maybe in a few days something better comes up. But – if we have no intent to sign him, get what you can for the rights.

    • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

      Yes. Caron is a former first-round pick. He is also a local boy with size and some skill. As much as I would hate to see Wiz go to Boston, that could happen on July 1 anyway, and I doubt we could get a better return for his rights.

    • Talik Sanis says:

      I’d do it in a heartbeat, but I can’t see the Bruins making that trade. With time running our before free agency, I can’t see us getting anything more more than a late third round pick for Wisniewski’s rights.

      Toronto might be willing to make a trade in that vein, though.

      • It would be a very high price, I agree. However the B’s have tons of forward depth and desperately need help on D. Outside of Chara that’s an AHL squad. Wiz is the best out there and you know teams like Detroit will be calling. Exclusive rights could be enough.

        • Talik Sanis says:

          I hope you’re right, and that Gautier has the will to make that kind of move, rather than letting go of a proven asset for no return. Further, I agree entirely about Boston’s lack of depth at defense. I hadn’t even considered that obvious factor in regards to Wisniewski’s attractiveness to them, though Caron may be too high a price for them to pay.

    • Chris says:

      I would do it, but why would Chiarelli? There aren’t that many teams that have the cap space to add a defenceman of Wiz’s offensive talent, and there are a significant number of excellent defencemen on the market this summer: Wisniewski, Ehrhoff, Bieksa, Brewer, Pitkanen and Kaberle. You can even toss the aging Bryan McCabe and Ed Jovanovski into the mix…McCabe still has a shot, while Jovanovski’s numbers are probably being significantly stunted in the Phoenix defensive system.

      The Bruins system is starting to be a bit bare, and they think very highly of Caron. I don’t see them giving up their #2 prospect (behind Seguin) for the chance to sign Wiz when they’ve got the draw of a Stanley Cup winning roster and some cap space to appeal to one of the aforementioned UFA defencemen.

      • Only one of Ehrhoff and Bieksa is likely to hit the market if either of them do. And the rest you named are either clearly a step behind Wisniewski in almost all aspects of the game, or near the end of their careers.

        As for competition, with the cap going up your statement isn’t true at all. San Jose, Boston, New Jersey, Buffalo and Detroit can all use a player like Wiz and have the cash to spend.

        As for Boston’s system getting bare, Marchand and Seguin are still young and they have a plethora of high picks in this deep draft year.

        • Mike D says:

          I would argue SJ doesn’t have a NEED for Wiz. They have Boyle and Vlasic.

          – Honestly yours

        • Chris says:

          You are putting a LOT of emphasis on Wisniewski’s one excellent season, coming in a contract year. Prior to this year, Wisniewski wasn’t much of a sure bet, and I’m sure that that will be factored in.

          Having the cash to spend and having the draw were interrelated. You mention a number of teams, but let’s be honest: in that list, only Detroit, Montreal, San Jose and Boston have significant cap space a legitimate shot at contending next year.

          Picks in this draft year are not going to step in for 2-4 years time in all likelihood. Other than Seguin (74 games) and Caron (23 games) no Bruins prospect drafted since 2007 has played more than 20 NHL games. As another example, no Montreal draft pick from the 2008, 2009 or 2010 drafts has set foot in an NHL rink yet.

          They all could, but the pipeline tends to be a bit longer term than 1-2 years. The Bruins are drafting #9, which MIGHT yield a player who could play as early as this year or next, and that’s it for the first round (by winning the Cup, the Kaberle trade sent their #30 pick to the Leafs). The rest of this year’s picks aren’t likely to yield an NHL player for 2-3 years time, by which time they will have to replace guys like Thornton, Kelly, Peverley and probably Paille.

    • TheMock780 says:

      Would do that in a heartbeat if Wiz is for sure out of the picture. While I doubt Boston would do it, it would be a steal for the Habs

      http://5-10andagamemisconduct.blogspot.com/

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Boston wouldn’t do it. They just won a cup with the squad they have so why give up a decent prospect. They will resign Kabby for a similar contract of well under 5 mill a season.

  26. Say Ash says:

    enough with the Bruins ads on the right hand side already

  27. zaq007 says:

    On the subject of Defencemen TSN did a redraft of last years draft and bumped Tinordi up to 8th!

  28. Bugs says:

    Not to change the subject so dramatically but I’ve just now come to realize how ludicrously contrived the plots are for “24”.
    Everything and anything that can put a crimp in Bauer’s mojo happens and no one gets any sleep, not a nap, not a slight doze, nuthin but lo!, everyone’s fresh as a daisy, what the hell?
    Ohhhh, the bad guy was just PRETENDING to do that and when he was stopped, it turns out he was actually a good guy pretending to be the bad guy’s lost good guy cousin…who’s now been turned into a REALLY bad guy, ohhhhh, ok.
    Instead of “24”, they should call it “1 and three quarters” and be done with it already.

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • JD_ says:

      If the good people at FOX had any sense, they would have gone with my idea for “24”.

      In my version, Berkshire guzzles one like there’s no tomorrow and is then locked inside a Roman Catholic church filled with Broonz fans.

      The whole thing’s slapped on tape, of course.

  29. deuce6 says:

    Too much for a question mark…2 years for 11.5M? Really?

    Not doubting the guy’s skill, but doubting a wonky knee is a whole other story…Sorry, don’t like this contract…Too risky…I would prefer 1 year..

    ——————

    Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

    • dre1744 says:

      Maybe he would not sign a 1 year….. would you risk losing Markov lets say to the leafs and him getting back his all star form and haunting us for years too come!!!!!!

      • deuce6 says:

        He doesn’t have enough “truculence” to play for them..lol

        I just think its a risk giving so much of a cap hit to a guy that has been injured for the majority of the last 2 seasons…Knees are a terrible injury for a pro athlete…I hope he does come back and be the same player, but I doubt it…Injuries of this nature tend to play with your mind….It has a psychological effect as well as a performance effect..

        ——————

        Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

      • Everlasting1 says:

        A one year offer would have been lame. He deserves better treatment.

        ——————————————————————-
        ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • Everlasting1 says:

      Life is full of risks. Some believe in loyalty, showing confidence and appreciation for a (still young) Hab vet who has proven much to this organization and city.

      ——————————————————————-
      ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • Mattyleg says:

      I don’t think anyone in their right mind should call Markov a ‘Question Mark’.

      He’s been with the organization through thick and thin, he’s never done anything but work hard and be extremely effective.

      If it weren’t for his humility, he’d be captain of this team.

      Habs are doing right by him with this deal, and I’m glad of it.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • slychard says:

      Dear sweet deuce6,
      my signing a possibly 2 year deal with a defenseman from another continent who’s played solid hockey for a team whoom he signed for less to stay with on his currently expiring contract does not scare me (wobbly knee or not) as your picture. You look scary. This deal does not. Why? the upswing. He’s had plenty of time to PROPERLY heal. do you know anything about loyalty deuce6? Do you know anything about loyalty? do you know anything anout how valid a point theese values come into play when a man decides to take an oath and swear to a country like he did? Do you? DO YOU. absolutely not. You stay in that basement of yours deuce6, stay and ASSume all you want. But if this deal is valid and comes through I hope he (he being Markov) comes through with flying colors this season. Puss & boots like you who never pushed a puck in their lives and act like NHL GM’s from their mother’s basement make me as sick as watching the bruins hoist a tainted cup.

      Although wide open and fixed to a point the eyes did not register…

    • fofe84 says:

      2 years and no raise in annual salary does reflect a reluctance on management’s behalf. If it weren’t for the knee, this deal would have been long-term and he would have earned a fat raise.

    • Bugs says:

      He GOT offered one year; he and his agent wanted 5.
      Pretty good compromise, ask me.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  30. Everlasting1 says:

    People have forgotten why Wis was signed in the first place. The cap space should be reserved for acquiring a top 6 bruiser with hands. If not in this offseason, then before the trade deadline for that playoff run. Laying down some moolah for a solid backup goalie or promising up-and-comer would be wise too..Mtl is boring without that controversy :-P

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    ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  31. Chorske says:

    Bold prediction. PG won’t bother to offer a contract to Wiz, which is fine with me. Wiz is going to sign with Boston, for term and over $5M. Because Kaberle’s name is MUD in beatown, I am calling Wiz to sign there. Wouldn’t YOU? Also, I predict a nice, well-deserved RFA raise to Gorges. And I think the Habs will come out better in that exchange.

    • TheMock780 says:

      It wouldn’t surprise me if Wiz signed in either Boston or Detroit. Both stable, winning franchises that can offer him coin. For some reason I think Detroit will make a stronger push and come away with him though

      http://5-10andagamemisconduct.blogspot.com/

    • If Wiz signs in Boston I will hate him for a long time. Anywhere but there.

      • ed lopaz says:

        if wiz signs in Boston, the bruins will have improved their team substantially.

        when you mentioned below that wiz was “slightly” more physical than weber, I was surprised

        wiz is nasty.

        habs need to get talented players who have a nasty side, an edge, and the balls to to clear the front of the net or score in front of the opponent net.

        I hear that Yemelin is nasty – so thats a good start.

        Wiz is nasty! – did I mention that already?? :-)

        Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

        • Did I say slightly? That was a poor choice of words. What I should have said was that he’s slightly stronger. I think Weber gets less credit than he deserves, along the boards he’s pretty good imo.

          Wiz is nasty for sure, something Weber doesn’t have, but as long as that nastiness is replaced (Emelin) I don’t see the huge deal.

    • JD_ says:

      The issue with Newsy is more about other GMs than it is PG. JW has a high perceived value which was only further enhanced after he wore the bleu-blanc-et-rouge for a few months. The only way he signs in Montreal is because he craves the atmosphere after bein’ starved by the Isles for a season.

      I’m not bettin’ on it.

      What really grinds my gears, however, is the Florida Panthers cap Marky’s wearin’ in the pic.

    • fofe84 says:

      Couldn’t we just give Wiz Hamrlik’s salary?

  32. Rudy says:

    So, is Markov in Montreal or Russia? If it’s Russia, we won’t know anything until tomorrow.

    • Everlasting1 says:

      A confirmed text msg rumor from afar is as official as a dried ink signature rumor. Besides, can went beyond his patriotic duty by getting his canadian citizenship last year.

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      ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  33. ds says:

    Great signing though a little more than he’s worth especially if his next two seasons are like the past two, should have signed him for 9 mill 2 yrs.

    Now sign Stamkos to a qualifying offer at 7.5/yr for 5 yrs and send Gomez to the minors.

    • SnowManHabs85 says:

      Stamkos is nothing without help from St. Louis. :P

      “Responding to the media , or playing to the media, or listening to the fans is the quickest way to start losing” – Sam Pollock

  34. Marinaro seems to have the sources when it comes to Markov. He was right on the Price/Markov incident and got the scoop on Markov’s injury this past season.

    ___________________________________________

    Eyes on The Prize! and on Twitter

  35. habslifer26 says:

    I just think we would bring Wiz back because we spent a second rounder to get him plus he younger and hasn’t had any knee problems. What ever happens I have to trust PG knows what he is doing.

  36. issie74 says:

    Craig Button on TSN said if Tinordi was being picked he would go much higher. He really likes his progress.

    Yea Markov!

    NorthTOHab

  37. habslifer26 says:

    If this report is true…which d-man do we sign next? Gorges or Wiz?

    • Auscan says:

      Wiz for sure, you can’t compare….go look at Wiz stats last year…very impressive! 7 goals, 23 assists for 30 goals in 43 games and a +4.
      They must sign the guy, he is only 27 years old…he is in his prime years!!!

      Go Habs Go!

      • habslifer26 says:

        I totally agree with you Auscan. I think Wiz can give us an edge especially against those f-ing Bruins.

      • SnowManHabs85 says:

        Oh yeah 2 points in the playoffs in 6 games with a -2 rating. While Weber was 2 points in 3 games with +1. They’re the same height and about the same in weight. Weber is still developing too.

        “Responding to the media , or playing to the media, or listening to the fans is the quickest way to start losing” – Sam Pollock

        • habslifer26 says:

          What do you think about Brandon Nash possible getting some PT this year?

          • SnowManHabs85 says:

            I still think Nash has some sharpening to do in his defensive game in the Hamilton top 2, but I’m pretty sure he’ll be one the 1st to be called during the season. Remember Weber has spending between Hamilton and Montreal during his 3 seasons of his ELC.

            “Responding to the media , or playing to the media, or listening to the fans is the quickest way to start losing” – Sam Pollock

  38. habaddict_andy says:

    How many more defensemen do people want here. Wiz will not come back unfortunately. In a cap world, we can’t just stack up as many expensive players as we want. I bet ya same people who want Wiz to be signed are the same people who has been saying we need a top six winger. I realize we might actually have enough to get a good winger to play with Plek and Cammy.

    Go! Hockey! Go!

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      With injuries to defencemen being common, and considering the fact that there aren’t many quality forwards available anyway, I think it makes great sense to sign Wiz.

      It might not be the Big 3, but it could be the Fleet 3, him and Markov and Pk would absolutely improve the offence, on the power play and at even strength. If the experiment doesn’t work, and we find that we have glaring holes elsewhere on our roster, then we can deal from a position of strength and trade an asset down the road. Letting a valuable player like him walk away makes no sense.

      ———————————
      “I hate the Bruins more than the Nordiques, who I hate more than the Flyers.”

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

      • habaddict_andy says:

        I agree with you, I do see him as a valuable player as well. It will depend how much and for how long he will demand. We have developing young talent like Weber and Subban, Yemelin seems to be one of them. I think we have all the tools we need at this point in defense.

        Now let’s get Laich plus a good size grinder to play with Moen and White, and we will be contenders next season.

        Go! Hockey! Go!

  39. Neutral says:

    don’t see PG signing any new offence, if he thinks the D alone is gonna win a cup, he’d better wake up and smell the coffee.

  40. TheMock780 says:

    Whether he’s signed or not, it’s only a matter of time. If this reported deal is the way it goes down, it’s good for both sides. The Habs aren’t locked up long term and Markov still get’s his money and no feelings are hurt on either side :P

    I’ve also decided that if Timmons takes J.T. Miller or Tyler Biggs over Phillips, Saad, McNeill, Scheifele, Oleksiak, Jensen, or others from the CHL, it’s time for the axe. USHL kids are good 2 round prospects on down. They aren’t first rounders.

    http://5-10andagamemisconduct.blogspot.com/

    • TomNickle says:

      Tinordi and Leblanc have been our last 1st round picks. Both CHL players.

      Take a chill pill.

      That Timmins guy has found some nice value picks from rounds 2 through 7. Not to mention some nice ones in the first round like Price and Pacioretty.

      • Bill J says:

        And Subban in the second round!

      • TheMock780 says:

        LeBlanc played at Harvard before jumping to the CHL and played before that in the USHL. Tinordi is another USHL guy but the Habs (like the did when LeBlanc jumped ship to the Juniors) got lucky when he spurned Notre Dame to go London.

        Timmins best 2 picks during his time during his time as Habs scouting director have been Price and Subban, both CHL guys (Pacioretty looks like the only homerun hit out of how many USHL picks? LeBlanc and Tinordi the jury is still out. Same with Kristo). The USHL is a second rate development league compared to the CHL. Paired with the NCAA they produce nice complimentary players and the occasional star like Parise, but for the most part if you want an impact player in the first round you draft from the CHL or Europe.

        http://5-10andagamemisconduct.blogspot.com/

        • TomNickle says:

          And you’re in a better position to evaluate talent than Timmins?

          My apologies re: Leblanc. Absolutely right.

          • TheMock780 says:

            Probably not. He’s been in his business for decades and had fantastic success in Ottawa. But I haven’t been a fan of his body of work in Montreal and I stand by that. I’m not going to kiss his rear just cause he’s a Habs employee. I’m not one of those people who hate everything Habs just cause they didn’t win (I think Gauthier has done a good job so far and JM is an alright coach as far as I’m concerned) but I haven’t been a Timmins fan for a few years. If he can change my mind then I’ll be happy. Just not a USHL believer

            http://5-10andagamemisconduct.blogspot.com/

        • DearyLeary says:

          If I really cared about this thread I’d go through the last few drafts to look at CHL bust prospects, but I know you’re blowing smoke up everyone’s respective ass, so I won’t.

          • TheMock780 says:

            It really doesn’t take much to get people riled up here does it? I wasn’t trying to piss anyone off but I’m not going to back off my opinion either.

    • Bill J says:

      Re your second paragraph, 1 it’s Timmins (perhaps if you’re going to decide it’s time to fire him, you should at least know his name) & 2 Timmins’s picks have been the best in two decades. I’m sorry you do not see this. But look at the prospects coming in, they are his picks.

      • TheMock780 says:

        I’m not arguing the Price or Subban picks. But how many has he swung and missed on? The 2003, 2004, and 2006 drafts were all completely bungled. The scouting staff reshuffling was his second chance, we’ll see what he does with it.

        http://5-10andagamemisconduct.blogspot.com/

        • Bill J says:

          2003 ? You mean when Halak was drafted in the last round or so ? Yeah 1st round was not the best, but hindsight is 20/20, and I tend to look at the bigger picture…

          • TheMock780 says:

            And that was a phenomenal pick. But the 2nd round was also a disaster that year when they passed on Patrice Bergeron, Shea Weber, and David Backes for Cory Urquart and Max Lapierre (it’s too bad he didn’t pan our in Montreal though. I always had a soft sport for him). And sorry, but Timmins body of work since he came on board with Andre Savard in 2001 (I believe) is nothing to right home about

            http://5-10andagamemisconduct.blogspot.com/

          • Bill J says:

            28 other teams passed on each of those players, what’s your point ?

            My point is look at the big picture, no team has nailed a home run each and every round.

            Lay off Timmins, he is doing a great job!

          • TheMock780 says:

            By no means am I saying that Timmins needs to be perfect. Not even Detroit is perfect. And I know that Timmins walked into a team with almost no high end prospects when he got there so does he deserve some kudos, absolutely. And you know what, the Habs draft record has definitely improved since 2007 (which I have to give Timmins major kudos for, he did a phenomenal job that year). I’m not saying that Timmins can’t make a believer out of me, I’m just not one right now. Frankly I’m hoping that Timmins proves me wrong. We’ll see if he can.

    • Mark C says:

      Pacioretty and McDonagh real second round talent there.

    • DearyLeary says:

      Oleksiak does not play in the CHL.

  41. otter649 says:

    Markov signing is on Twitter so it must be true that Markov WILL sign……..lol

  42. Just looking at the d-corps and assuming the obvious (that Gorges will sign), this is the best and most balanced defensive corps we’ve had since 93 or maybe even further back.

    Markov – Gorges
    Gill – Subban
    Spacek – Emelin
    Weber

    That’s damn solid. Even with Spacek possibly becoming more of a liability, Emelin can play either side so you can take Spacek out, put Emelin on the left side and Weber in. 3 defense pairings that can play in their own zone and generate offense. 2 pairings that can handle 1st line assignments. The only thing I’d like to see added to that group is perhaps a veteran guy to be 8th D if both Emelin and Weber need to sit. No one special is needed, Mara would be serviceable and you know he loves playing here.

    • obrien says:

      Not sure about Gorges. Arpon think it should be at a 3M+ price tag, but to be honnest, at this price, I would much rather take the Wiz and his 5M price tag, as he brings so much more to the table.

      Imagine this group:

      Markov – Wiz
      Gill – Subban
      Spacek – Emelin
      Weber

      That would be a force to reckon with. By the way, I am liking more and more your thought about putting DD with Eller and AndreiK.

      • Bill J says:

        The chemistry Gorges has in the locker room. Is worth more then you know…

        He would take a bullet for the Habs, and his teammates appreciate it.

      • Wiz brings more to the table offensively, there’s no question about that. But with Markov, PK, Weber and Emelin you have to remember the defensive side of the puck as well. Gorges is an elite level penalty killing defenseman and close to that level at even strength as well. He can play against the best offense other teams can throw out and thrive. Wiz can’t do that.

        I’m all for having lots of puck movers, ideally I’d go for a 4-2 split between offensive-defensive minded players, but we have Spacek for another year and he’s in the middle and not great at either but good at both.

        I don’t think pairing Wiz with Markov would work out. Markov needs to be able to wheel and deal, and Wiz isn’t able to cover up when it goes bad. Markov could definitely cover for Wiz, but then he wouldn’t be playing his game. I think we all saw that when Subban was put with Markov. He hung back to cover rookie mistakes instead of playing his game and making smart pinches. For the way teams roll out line matching so well nowadays, I like the idea of having a defensive minded shut down guy on each of the top 2 pairings, with an elite puck mover. I think it just works better. That’s my thought process.

        That does seem like a nice 3rd line eh? Plus the size of Eller and AK allows DD to wheel and deal. Not to mention it allows Moen to play on the 4th line where he’s most effective, hopefully with White and a faceoffs specialist (I’d take Halpern back) to crash and bang against physical teams, or with Darche to mop up easy assignments when we need more scoring.

    • TomNickle says:

      I’m just as excited about the $10 million in cap room Gauthier will have when all of the expected free agents are locked up.

    • ed lopaz says:

      I don’t want to be rude, Andrew, but how much do we really know about Emelin?

      I will wait until I see him play at least 20 NHL games on NHL ice before I am convinced.

      And Spacek??

      Please, he is finished.

      Weber has not yet played anywhere near a full NHL season.

      You are showing me a very solid top 4 – I agree.

      But from 5 -7 there are “at least” question marks; very real question marks.

      Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

      • TomNickle says:

        Yemelin is physical Ed. You’ll love him. He will make his mistakes sure, but he won’t take any bs in front of the net, won’t be afraid to check the Lucic’s and Richards and won’t be afraid to drop the gloves for the team and himself.

        Get excited. You will be an admirer.

        • ed lopaz says:

          I’m looking forward to seeing Emelin, especially if he is as you describe. – watching another year of Spacek, not as much.

          Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

      • habaddict_andy says:

        Yemelin has been playing with big boys in Russia for 3 years. He is not small and apparently has a nasty side of him. I’m not expecting any less from this kid.

        Go! Hockey! Go!

      • You’re not being rude, you’re challenging what I’ve stated politely. I think that’s what this site is for.

        On Emelin, I watched him intently during the WHC and he was easily Russia’s best defenseman. It wasn’t even close. His hockey IQ is really solid and he’s rarely caught out of position, although he does do ‘the Komisarek’ at times and take himself out of the play for a big hit. However unlike Komisarek he can chip in offensively and he won’t be getting top pairing minutes, so at 5th or 6th D, that’s nothing to gripe about when a Cup winner iced Andrew Ference as their 4th man.

        On Spacek, he’s slowed down, that much is inarguable, but I don’t think he’s “done” or without value. He never looks pretty out there but he gets the job done. Last year over 59 games he lead the Habs with a +9 rating, and his qualcomp numbers were very high, higher than Subban’s. So if he’s played against 3rd and 4th lines all year for a year at 13-18 minutes a game, he’s going to be fine, even if he doesn’t chip in much offense.

        On Weber, you’re right that he hasn’t played a full NHL season, and he might not next year either. However towards the last 1/3 of this season I noticed a marked change in his play. He was much more sound defensively and started to play with more confidence. He even got a little time on the PK. He didn’t get into the lineup much late in the season however as with Gorges out Martin felt he needed a PK specialist like Sopel. However I doubt you’ll find many people who think Sopel is a better all around player than Weber. As a 7th D he’ll be more than adequate, and just like Subban he’s needed some time to adjust to NHL speed and allow his offensive colours to show. Plus all of his career goals are against Boston, how awesome is that?

    • DearyLeary says:

      This is my ideal lineup as well.

  43. dre1744 says:

    Some people think we should keep Wiz cause he has a cannon of a shot. Well there is a kid on the back end that has a cannon aswell his name is PK…. Remember that blast thru Tim thomas in game 7 to send it to OT!!!!!!!!

  44. aemarchand11 says:

    Mariano said “Markov WILL Sign” Not that he’s signed….

    “I have a different constitution. I have a different brain; I have a different heart; I got tiger blood, man.” – Charlie Sheen.

  45. Malreg says:

    Still no news of this from the Mckenzie’s/Dreger’s/Friedman’s/Lebruns…

    I’ll believe it when they report it, sorry Tony.

  46. Say Ash says:

    Would it kill him to wear a Habs cap?

  47. JasonM says:

    Don Meehan states otherwise.

  48. SnowManHabs85 says:

    Thats totally awesome!

    “Responding to the media , or playing to the media, or listening to the fans is the quickest way to start losing” – Sam Pollock

  49. Neutral says:

    it doesn’t matter if we agree or not who PG signs he holds the purse strings. you may like it now, we’ll see down the road.

  50. Bripro says:

    I’m very happy we’re keeping such talent. But I have to tell this.
    My wife and I bumped into Markov at the Saint Constant Cosco last friday, and my asking if he was coming back was not well received.
    If anything, it looked as though he was going to toss his cookies. As a player, I think he’s one of the best. But he and all of the other prima donna athletes should remember how they manage to earn the salaries they earn….who pays for that? It’s thanks to the fans they meet out here.

    • ed lopaz says:

      don’t take it personally – just because you were having a good day doesn’t mean Markov was.

      Markov is a quiet, modest, world class athlete.

      He is not the type of guy who is extremely comfortable in public.

      Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

      • Bripro says:

        Maybe not, and that’s what my wife said. But how hard is it to smile?
        I met Plekanec at the Atwater market last year…just walked up to just wish him the best, and he chatted me up for 10 minutes, and until then I thought he was shy. I know there guys must get bombarded from all over the place, but just a thank you and a smile would have made today’s news all the sweeter.

        • TomNickle says:

          Any chance it wasn’t Markov?

          • Bripro says:

            No it was him. Big, wide shoulders, no smile, the ears (no insult intended) and shaved head. He had an escort with him. My wife said it might be his body guard, but Markov had 3 inches and 30 pounds on him.

        • Everlasting1 says:

          Some aren’t as chatty. No need to judge because of his perhaps private nature. He’s not a wide-eyed wet-eared rookie either, and I’m sure the constant attention can be a little much, especially in Montreal.

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          ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • TomNickle says:

      I’m sorry, you seem like a polite enough fellow. But do you really think he owes you something other than what he produces for your favourite team on the ice?

      • Bripro says:

        I’m not gonna get all philosophical, and again, just like ed, you’re probably right as well. But given how much they make, and to think that some of us can only afford a couple of games per year (and some none), they should show that they truly do count their blessings.
        Bump into Jean Beliveau any day of the week, and tell me he isn’t ready to give you a minute of his time. Doug Gimour was the same way. The year I took my son to a closed practice and Koivu was there, in civvies. He was recovering from Cancer, when was that….2002? I swear to you, he picked my son up, sat him on the players bench while they were practicing, and must have talked to him for 20-25 minutes. I’ll never forget it, and neither will my boy. That’s the true spirit of sportsmanship.

        • TomNickle says:

          A thirty second meeting doesn’t exactly illustrate whether or not a player feels that he is or isn’t fortunate to be in his position. I won’t argue with you about Jean Beliveau and there are hundreds of players just like him who will take time. What Koivu did for your son is great and you’re fortunate that you caught Gilmour while he was sober enough to have a conversation.

          I don’t disagree that in a situation like that a player should be cordial and pleasant. And I have a great story about Brian Hayward if you’d like to hear it.

          My point here is that there are a number of circumstances away from the rink that could prompt an athlete with his celebrity to be hesitant in engaging in conversation with you. For all he knew you could have shouted out “IT’S ANDREI MARKOV EVERYBODY” the second he confirmed his identity by responding to your question. I’m not saying you would have, I’m saying that he doesn’t know. If he had answered your question about the negotiations in the negative he could’ve thought that you would be a threat physically. The reasons go on and on.

  51. Mike D says:

    So happy to officially have Marky back if this is true.
    Welcome home Andrei!

    – Honestly yours

  52. ed lopaz says:

    Markov is a world class player. Very fair deal.

    I believe that there would have been at least 1 team in the free agent market who would have offered 3 years.

    I think Markov was very fair signing BEFORE July 1.

    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  53. Chorske says:

    I really have zero interest in signing Wiz. I think that money would be way better spent up front.

    I don’t even think that it would be in Wiz’s best interests to sign here, what with Markov the clear PP QB, and PK the clear up-and-coming QB of the second wave. I don’t see how signing him would benefit either party. The Habs’ bigger need is in the top six.

    • Mike D says:

      Wiz won’t necessarily have to be the PP QB (though not a bad thing to have two on the same PP unit), but he does have a cannon for a slap shot that would come in handy regardless of whether he is expected to be a QB or not. It makes it harder for opposition to defend too, because you can’t just assume that Marky will be the passer and Wiz will be the shooter. Wiz could be the passer while Marky sneaks in for the backdoor play that he’s so excellent at.

      – Honestly yours

    • TorontoHabsFan says:

      I’d like to see him back – I don’t see him as quite the all-world talent that some do, but I tend to think that you can’t have enough offense coming from the back end. (JM’s gameplan seems to require it).

      But you gotta think the idea of replacing Rafalski in Detroit is mighty tempting for him. Who wouldn’t drool at the thought of feeding Zetterberg and Datsyuk breakout passes?

      I think that he may indeed sign with Montreal – but it won’t be until after he kicks the tires on the free agency. And really…who could blame him?

      • Chorske says:

        He is as good as gone, for exactly the reasons you mention. I will bet anyone on here a buck that PG won’t even talk to his agent about a new contract.

        • TorontoHabsFan says:

          Oh I think he gets offered a very reasonable contract by Montreal – but he’s earned the right to test the market by having a career offensive year.

          If he doesn’t take our offer – we work on plan B. Which in my mind would be Laich/Tanguay and Talbot. Try to shore up the forward corps and be safe in the knowledge that Weber will have had a season of NHL experience under his belt and looks ready to take the next step in adding the offensive aspect of his game in the NHL.

    • ed lopaz says:

      Back in the 70’s Habs found enough quality ice for Robinson, Savard and Lapointe.

      Having 3 top d-men makes the Habs much more competitive.

      A few examples:

      1) if 2 are first line PP, they face first line PK of opposition; then the 3rd d-man still comes on to lead the 2nd wave.

      2) if 1 of them gets hurt, and d-men are always getting hurt, we have the depth to keep rolling

      3) less overall wear and tear on all 3 of them; Markov will not have to play as many minutes, which means he will be that much stronger come playoff time.

      Having this type of depth, creates a real ADVANTAGE for the Habs lineup.

      Its like having 3 lines that can score instead of 2.

      The opposition must respond with equal depth or we have the advantage.

      And, finally, there are simply not the 5 million dollar forwards on the free agent market this year that would make a huge splash.

      Once someone signs Brad Richards, everyone else is very average.

      Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

      • Chorske says:

        Back in the day, there was no salary cap, and the Habs could afford to buy an entire league if they wanted a specific player in that league.

        Times have changed, Ed. There is this thing called the cap.

        • TorontoHabsFan says:

          I think he was referring to ice time, not so much salary.

          He is right though – there just isn’t a forward with as much offensive impact available on the market outside of Richards.

          • Chorske says:

            But it does leave some room to acquire a contract from another team. Teams don’t need to be limited to signing UFAs, they can trade as well. Having the cushion gives major flexibility in that regard.

            This years UFA pool is thin indeed- I will agree with that.

          • TorontoHabsFan says:

            Oh I agree – that trades are available. I don’t know how many moveable prospects we have though. The ones we have look to be key cogs in our future (Leblanc, Tinordi, Avtsin, Kristo).

            To make trades a team needs both cap space and prospects/picks. It’s tough.

        • There’s also the emergence of Yannick Weber on the right side and the addition of Emelin to boost the depth on D. I love Wiz but I don’t see a place for him without pushing out a young up and comer. I wish Wiz all the best, hopefully he signs with a team I like.

          • ed lopaz says:

            I like Weber, but he can be used as trade bait.

            Yes. considering Wiz is only 27, I would push Weber out to make room.

            Spacek is gone next year, and Gill very likely as well.

            So we’re losing d-men as quickly as Gauthier is signing them.

            Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

          • Chorske says:

            Agree. Besides- he is at a career stage where he wants to stop being a journeyman and get a term contract, and I don’t think MTL is in a position to do that. I don’t think his value exceeds Gorges, so I’d rather see money and term go to Josh.

          • @Ed Weber has the potential to be as good as Wiz, if slightly less physical. Luckily the physicality is coming in through other players as Emelin comes in and Tinordi will be around soon after Gill is gone to replace his size and increase team toughness. The biggest difference between Weber and Wiz however is that Weber will make about 800K for the next little while to maybe 2M in a couple years. Wiz will get 5 right now. It’s about being smart with the cap as much as it is about being smart with personnel.

            Yes Wiz is young, but we can afford to take a slight downgrade on his offense if we use the leftover money up front. This team is shaping up excellently.

            @Chorske I agree, my friend. With Subban, Markov, Weber and Emelin already signed, Gorges has more value to the team than Wiz. Not to mention he’s a leader in the room as well, and a suitable partner for Markov to handle top minutes.

        • issie74 says:

          They did just that for Beliveau.

          NorthTOHab

      • Auscan says:

        Very good point Ed!…The Habs will be a force with Top 3 d’s such as Markov, Wiz and Subban. And with Emelin, Spacek and Gill, they have a good mixture of talent, experience and size.
        They can now trade Gorges and Weber and get a good natural right winger.

        Go Habs Go!

        • Chorske says:

          See, the fact that you would trade Gorges (I almost barfed a bit typing the words) makes me suspect you haven’t been watching the games. If you had, you would recognize that JG is a leader, plays WAY above his size class, NEVER quits, and is the best, most reliable stay-at-home Dman we have.

          Trading Gorges and keeping Wiz is madness- all the more because JG is a bargain because he is RFA! Jaysus Murphy, I could outline twenty reasons why trading Gorges would be colossally dumb.

  54. HalifaxHabs says:

    I hope this is accurate, and if so I’m happy to hear it.

    now get get the Gorges thing done PG

  55. MontrealAtheist says:

    Will Markov even be fit enough to play next season? Nothing against Markov, but for that kind of money we could have signed a world class superstar in his twenties who can take a few hits without ending up in hospital.

    I hope I’m wrong, but I have a feeling that re-signing Markov will not serve our play-off and cup ambitions very well if the last two seasons are any indication.

  56. secretdragonfly says:

    Max-Pac, DD, Markov – waiting to hear about Josh….how about it, PG?

  57. JF says:

    Great news. Salary and term sound about right. And there’s still 10 days to free agency, plenty of time to either sign the Wiz (which I’m hoping for) or deal his negotiating rights.

  58. Say Ash says:

    Wiz is gone, I guess?

  59. Gindan69 says:

    Leaves about 14 left to sign white, georges, webber, a 4th liner(with some muscle) and a backup goalie. That will probably cost about 7. That leaves 7 for that elusive powerforward.

  60. dudurules says:

    about $5.5 a year based on a handfull of games over the last few years?

    • Mike D says:

      I HATE BOSTON

      – Honestly yours

      • ed lopaz says:

        we all hate Boston – I won’t watch a game in which the Bruins are playing.

        In fact, since I know many of the Red Sox fans are the creeps at the Garden, I,ve stopped watching Red Sox games as well.

        I used to hate Philly….now I understand what real hate feels like. :-)

        Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

        • Mike D says:

          LOL – good stuff Ed. :-)

          My reply to dudurules was more of a homage to him as he posted those very same 3 words daily for weeks. Actually this is the first post of his I’ve seen that wasn’t “I HATE BOSTON”. Just giving him a shout-out is all.

          – Honestly yours

  61. JD_ says:

    If true, sounds about right.

    Marky’ll be 34 when the contract expires. If he’s good to go, really awesome, if not, he’ll finish out his career elsewhere.

    Here’s hopin’ to fully recovered knee action and the better part of the next two seasons on the ice.

  62. NorthernHab says:

    Yesssss

  63. A. Berke says:

    If this news is correct, then IMO it is a very fair deal for both sides in terms of contract length & amount involved.
    Hope that Markov can get his former game back and stay healthy.

    PG, how about the Wiz now?

    PS: RDS says that Meehan denied any signing happened so far!!

    Ali B.

  64. HabFanSince72 says:

    Way to go Marky!

  65. Everlasting1 says:

    No brainer – well done PG lol

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    ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  66. habsfaninboston says:

    Awesome!

  67. Mike D says:

    The current CBA doesn’t allow for such clauses or bonuses. I believe only entry-level contracts and 35+ contracts are eligible for special clauses and performance bonuses.

    – Honestly yours

  68. TINMAN17 says:

    Too bad, he’d look good in a Habs jersey.

    Born and Bred in Enemy Territory (Boston).


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