Markov looking for three-year, $18-million deal: report

According to TSN’s Bob McKenzie, Canadiens free-agent defenceman Andrei Markov is looking for a three-year, $18-million contract.

“Last I heard, and it is a fluid situation subject to change, Andrei Markov was asking Montreal for a three-year deal worth $6 million per year,” McKenzie tweeted on Monday.

Markov, who has earned $48.3 million during his NHL career, according to capgeek.com, is coming off a three-year, $17.25-million deal that expired following the 2013-14 season with an annual cap hit of $5.75 million.

In 81 regular-season games this past season, the 35-year-old Markov posted 7-36-43 totals and was plus-12 while averaging 25:14 of ice time per game. In 17 playoff games, he had 1-9-10 totals and was minus-4 while averaging 25:59 of ice time.

The Canadiens selected Markov in the fifth round (162nd overall) of the 1998 NHL entry draft.

Contractual status of Habs players, canadiens.com

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Canadiens hold No. 26 overall pick at draft, NHL.com

Habs listed at 20-1 odds to win Cup next season, Stu on Sports blog

Bruins will not re-sign Shawn Thornton, NHL.com

Prospect Brendan Lemieux models game after father, Claude, NHL.com

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811 Comments

  1. Maritime Ronn says:

    ?……….

  2. Since the consensus is Magnus Nygren and Greg Pateryn are not ready to play a role for this upcoming season? Lets make a deal perhaps?

    Trade the mention two along with Tokarski and a pick or another prospect for James Neal (Pit). Habs need a proven goal scorer. Just throwing this one out there and Pittsburgh is up against the cap. Heard Neal is being shop.

    • Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

      Neal is a bit of Richard (cuz you can’t say *ick here) but I’d do it.

      ~~ You’ve been spun ~~

    • habs_54321 says:

      even if neal is being shopped he is being shopped with a high price tag if the centerpiece of the trade is tokarski you aren’t giving pittsburgh much too think about.

    • Chris says:

      Neal is going to cost you at least Brendan Gallagher, and possibly Alex Galchenyuk. Spare parts that may never play in the NHL aren’t landing you one of the better goal-scorers in the NHL with 4 years left on his contract.

      The Penguins are shopping Neal, but they want young and cheap roster players in return. That rules out guys like Plekanec.

    • ont fan says:

      So would you trade those guys for Max P?

  3. Dunboyne Mike says:

    New thread.

  4. Un Canadien errant says:

    ‘Bro’ Jake and Dave Pratt of Vancouver Team 1040:

    “Dale Weise just got signed by the Canadiens, two years, one mill per year… (rueful chuckle) Was he ever an important addition, piece to their playoff run… (both mumble and agree) Good for him!”

    ———————————————————————–
    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  5. bwoar says:

    @Chris

    Pretty much all of us know the Habs aren’t a contender. I don’t disagree that we need an elite goalscorer, but scoring drying up in the playoffs? More like the PP crapped out. And the guy whose job it is to make it click – didn’t make it click.

    So what’s the 6 mil per year worth when that happens? What are we paying for? Leadership? That’s baloney. I’d pay the man 6.75 per year if we’d have scored some key PP goals and made the Stanley Cup final. If he had enjoyed success in his role. His defined role on the team. Which he didn’t fill admirably or even adequately when it mattered most.

    That’s just the reality. The only reason I can think to justify going along with this madness is to keep #79 away from NYR, TO, BOS, etc. which would be disaster.

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      People are still going on with that “not a contender” bs? Every decent team in the poor Eastern Conference is a contender…

      • Trollhunter says:

        The only decent team (on paper) in the east with a shot against the beasts in the west is Boston. Anyone who thinks the habs have a shot vs LA Chicago St louis even San Jose is nuts

        S G

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      That does not make sense. If he is not a good hockey player and we should not sign him, then how would he make those other teams better as such a bad player, and conversely, if he is good enough to come back and hurt the habs, isn’t he good enough to hurt the teams the habs are playing?

    • JUST ME says:

      We are quite a few steps away from the cup although one also needs to understand that this squad sstopped 6 wins short of it.

      -We have no farm team. Well we do have one but it needs a complete overhaul and needs to supply the big team with fresh new talent so…
      -We need time for the kids to mature and graduate step by step without shortcuts.

      We need Markov as a mentor to lead the kids to bigger and better things. I beg to differ with you that all the weight of the team should not be put on one player young or old. Actually, the successes of the Habs were achieved by everyone `s work and contribution. Still the guy played 25 minutes per game and is to this day our number 2 guy and sometimes even our number one so he deserves our respect. Granted he should play less minutes between 5 or 10 less per game but remains an asset that most team would beg to have on their roster.

    • Chris says:

      The PP wasn’t working since Christmas. A lot of that was because the Habs’ power play became all about P.K. Subban, and other teams realized that they were going to keep funnelling it to him regardless of what opponents did.

  6. shiram says:

    2 year deal done with Weise
    http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=722936

    Lavoie with the AAV

    Renaud Lavoie ‏@renlavoietva

    #canadiens Dale Weise contract. 2 years / $1M AAV #tvasports

    Awesome stuff at 1 million per.
    Guess 25 Stanley Cups got a scoop yesterday.

  7. DipsyDoodler says:

    Is there a simple way to clean a two year old outdoor gas grill that is full of gunk?

    Thanks in advance.

    —–
    Moving. Forward.

  8. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Nygren, FWIW:

    Slapshot samples (plus a brief but revealing interview at the end):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_9RZ0HHf2o

    (Note: comments are disabled for this clip)

    Two hits, more slapshots:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE_QLuJoCcU

    Latent truculence? (Seriously, that cut lip looks quite sore)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZYQX_fr-L8

    Has anyone seen him playing actual D?

  9. 44har48 says:

    I have and always had a huge respect for Markov. Elite defensemen in his prime that was underrated. Very savvy today and intelligent, making up for his physical abilities that have left him.

    This is not the time to be sentimental on any of these guys and 3 yrs for $6M a yr is ridiculous. Good bye Andrei, thank you for your service. Go help somebody win a cup while we build a powerhouse.

    The Habs will not replace him and they won’t be better on the back end without him, but it’s about the plan and larger picture right now and that $6M will be needed badly in coming years to push for the cup.

  10. John Q Public says:

    Why aren’t short track speed skaters converted to hockey players ?

    • dr. schmutzdeker says:

      ’cause they’re programmed to just skate in (eliptical) circles.

    • TheCanadianDagger says:

      Same reason Usain Bolt isn’t made running back (I have no answer)

      • John Q Public says:

        There’s the point. Track stars can be converted to WR.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          It’s been tried many times, but successfully accomplished very seldom. ‘Bullet’ Bob Hayes, Renaldo Nehemiah, Willie Gault, who else? If it was that easy, it would happen more often.

          One of the, ahem, hurdles with this plan nowadays, to turn a track star into a WR, is that the world-class athletes make more on the circuit than they would as a NFL WR on a first contract.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Loved Willie Gault.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Herschel Walker? (RB, not WR).

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Hershel was an aspiring sprinter, competed at the National level, and some amazing video of him exists sprinting as this massive beast next to a bunch of whippets, and keeping up and winning races. But he was never an Olympic sprinter who ‘converted’ to football, he was always a football player who also ran track.

            That’s the big hiccup with a Usain Bolt, he has tonnes of talent, but to imagine he could learn football now, contact and routes and blocking, or that he’d want to and take the pay drop, is fantasy.

      • habs_54321 says:

        can usain catch?

  11. habs_54321 says:

    So I assume bergevins camp wants a one year deal and Markov obviously wants 3, I’m assuming they both agree too the dollar amount more or less so they should meet in the middle 2 year/6 mil if Markov’s camp cannot agree too this then we should look at plan b

    • Chris says:

      Plan B is a lottery pick in next year’s draft. It’s not a terrible plan, since McDavid is available in that draft, but there is nobody on the market to replace Markov, and the kids can’t do it successfully.

      • habs_54321 says:

        yes markov is hard too replace but we shouldn’t allow his camp too bully us, 3 years for an over 35 dman with major recent injuries is not smart

        plan b can be targeting a guy like boyle and giving bealieu a roster spot. if boyle cannot be signed then plan c etc

        plan C could be say attempting too trade for dman such as green or ehrhoff for example.

        • Chris says:

          Tons of 38 year old defencemen of Markov’s ilk were still playing 20+ minutes per night and producing offensively. I simply do not understand why people are so confident that Markov is worse than guys like Gonchar, Zubov, Numminen, or Timonen.

          • Luke says:

            He’s fairly comparable (but a year younger) to Dan Boyle, in my opinion.
            I reckon Boyle will sign for 3 years and ~6 to 6.5/season.

          • habs_54321 says:

            but those dman like boyle and timonen are not coming off recent Major injuries, i think everyone agree’s in signing markov but we cannot let his camp bully us into giving him exactly what he wants there needs too be a middle ground here.

          • Luke says:

            @Habs54321. Markov’s knee injuries weren’t recent.
            Additionally, No one is being bullied. It is a negotiation. I do not know why you feel he is unwilling to move from a position that we truthfully don’t even know if he has taken.
            This is based off an “insider’s” unconfirmed report.

      • ACGM says:

        Chris – you’re looking at a playoff team at best with or without Markov, don’t over pay, brings back memories of GOMEZ the money wasted and the good players we loss.

        • Chris says:

          I agree. This team is not a contender.

          But we also know what happens to teams that go with a full youth movement with no veterans to guide them along. Edmonton, Florida, Columbus, etc. have shown the effectiveness of that team building philosophy over the past few years.

          Markov will help the team build for that eventual Stanley Cup contention by helping make guys like Beaulieu and Tinordi better, by helping shelter them from the glare of the Montreal spotlight that has crushed many a youngster in recent years.

          Will he be around for the eventual Stanley Cup victory? Probably not. But I hate to break it to Habs fans, but Montreal is not really a contender yet. What kills Montreal in the playoffs is that their offence dries up. We’re lambasting the Habs defencemen yet again, but in the conference finals it was the fact that Montreal could only manage 2 or fewer goals in their 4 losses. Other than the Game 1 blowout where the team didn’t show up, the Habs gave up 13 goals in 5 games.

          Until they get at least one more elite goal-scorer to go with Pacioretty, and both Eller and Galchenyuk develop into two centres (which is probably still 2 years away), the Habs are a second-tier contender that can win a couple of rounds, but are very unlikely to go all the way.

        • Loop_Garoo says:

          Markov is not, and will never be, Gomez, there is just no comparison between the two, at all, in any way.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        Markov will get his three year deal and it will be with the habs. I would prefer two but let’s face it the habs don’t have a choice here. The Montreal fan base won’t accept the short term pain for long term gain. After what happened this year getting to the ECF they will have to resign Markov of find a replacement.

      • bwoar says:

        You’re so sure we’d fail, but I think it’s a very pessimistic outlook. We expect things will be bad, but until it happens, well, we just don’t know.

  12. Habfan10912 says:

    The talk about Tootoo got me thinking about something we haven’t heard yet.
    Anybody else shocked we havent heard about a Prust shoulder operation?

  13. Thomas Le Fan says:

    I’m torn between thinking that’s too much for an aging defenceman with wonky knees and the argument that we need him to stabilize our young defence. I do think 18 mil is way too much for what he now brings, however.

    Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Thomas, you expressed the same feelings as I have. I’m going to take a Burly on this and just put faith that Bergevin makes the correct call. It appears to me that Bergevin has made signing Markov a priority.

    • shiram says:

      Knees are not wonky, sure he is slower, but he’s played every game since coming back from his injury, including in the KHL and the Olympics.
      Therrien rested him for one game.

  14. bwoar says:

    There are GMs that get you to the playoffs and GMs that help you win in the playoffs.

    EDIT: The former would give Markov 18M / 3yrs

  15. John Q Public says:

    Fightin back.

  16. Luke says:

    How’s about a Jordin Tootoo for Travis Moen trade?

    About the same age (Tootoo is a year younger).
    About the same dollars (Moen is $50,000 less but has one more year on his deal).
    Both Bottom liners, but play different roles.

    I’d even venture to say Tootoo will probably score more than Moen.

    But best of all, #22 is currently available.

    • shiram says:

      Cue the “not another smurf” cries of anger.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Tootoo was in the AHL last year. Moen is more useful and is needed when Prust goes down for his injury time which seems to be quite consistent the last couple years.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        I actually don’t believe Moen should be encouraged to continue playing. He needs to consider his future and the role a healthy brain needs to play in it.

        How tough is he? Debatable: good on Iginla hit, not so good in the Millar “fight”. If he can’t deploy his customary toughness, his other attributes aren’t sufficient to bring up his value, imo. Would like him to retire.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          I wonder if you are on to something here but I remember Moen being rushed back into the lineup in the playoffs at the expense of sitting Bournival.

          I wonder if that means anything in regards to the organizations thinking?

        • Just a Habs Fan says:

          Have you expressed this to Moen ? How do posters on here make health decisions for hockey players that are surrounded by the best doctors available to them…boy it is head scratching to read soem of these posts spokenas though they are authorities on pretty delicate topics…and some not so delicate topics. Just amazing.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Fair comment, JaHF. Entirely speculative.

            At the same time, my comment on Moen is based on much wider views I hold on concussion in professional sport. Among them is a strong belief that leagues do not adequately protect their players from the long-term effects of brain injury. This extends to calling into question advice provided by medical staff on a club’s payroll.

            Moen has suffered some severe concussions, removing him from play for extended periods. There is plenty of evidence to support the view that this could easily take a really drastic toll down the line.

            That’s just me. But you’re right: I’m speculating, not an expert, and not sure if I’d say it to his face.

          • Loop_Garoo says:

            Nobody here made a health decision for Travis Moen, just simply expressed concern for his health. I doubt very much that Travis, his wife, or his agent, read this,as far as I am aware no power of attorney has been issued to HIO, and since those people I listed are the only people likely to influence his health decisions in any way besides an MD, we can be sure that no one made this decision for him.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          The Millar fight could really have gone either way Mike. Moen was winning and one shot got through and nailed him. It happens to anyone dropping the gloves. He is still a tough boy but let’s face it. Prust is one haymaker away from a similar situation

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Kooch, I think I like Millar!

            We did toast him a couple of times, but he is rugged. Definitely not on my Never-Never list.

      • Luke says:

        Tootoo was sent to the AHL because of the contract (1.9 million) and the Wings needing to clear cap room to add Nyquist to the roster. Also, Tootoo’s play makes him pretty expendable (not unlike a Moen or White) so I’m not saying he’ll magically become a 30 goal scorer.
        I think Moen is more useful, but with Weiss and Prust he’s #3 in that role. Tootoo’s role would slot somewhere in between White & Parros. 4th line, occassional scratch, but a good scrapper.

        Hmm, the more I think about it, the more I like it.
        Do it MB.

        His Smurfiness is offset by his Brick-Poophouse-iness.

        • Luke says:

          Wait, Nevermind. Weise wears #22.

          The Tootoo deal only makes sense if he can wear #22.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Specially for you and Jordan (you have to say it aloud):

            One-One was a racehorse.
            Two-Two was one, too.
            One-One won one race, and
            Two-Two won one, too.

  17. shiram says:

    La Presse reports Montreal will no re-sign Douglas Murray.

    Unsurprising, but it begs the question, does Bergevin go for another bruiser on the blue line, and if so whom?

    http://www.lapresse.ca/sports/hockey/201406/17/01-4776452-le-canadien-laisse-aller-douglas-murray.php

    • Kooch7800 says:

      He is one slow skater but I have to admit I had a soft spot for him. He is such a good hitter and I am sure the team loved watching him crush people.

      He was useful in the regular season

      • shiram says:

        There is certainly a place for a hard hitting defenceman on the team, but hopefully it is one that can skate at an NHL pace.

      • TheCanadianDagger says:

        That one shift against Boston in the play-offs where he looked like a train taking out three of their guys was a thing of beauty. But wow, makes Hal Gill look like Jeremy Wotherspoon.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        I feel the same, Kooch (although “soft spot” is a funny turn of phrase in this case!).

        Not only the crushes in the corners and crease, but also on the pinch. They were fun.

        There’s no one in the system quite so large and robust, although you’d hope Tinordi and/or Pateryn will develop into formidable presences in the crease area. Meanwhile, perhaps MB picks up a sub-radar Murray-subsitute in the coming days….

      • John Q Public says:

        If he stopped drinking and went vegan, who knows.

    • Forum Dog says:

      My hope is that Tinordi puts on about 10-15 lbs this summer and is ready to wreak some havoc….

      • Kooch7800 says:

        When Tinordi is playing with confidence he can hit. We didn’t see much of that last year after the first few games.

        He is a better skater than Murray. Hitting is an art form though.Murray is a beauty at it

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Also twice the size of Tinordi! Critical mass helps!

        • Forum Dog says:

          Murray was a dynamite body-checker, though I think his was more a result of his sheer physical bulk. I agree hitting is an art, which is why I am a big Emelin fan. His bodychecks have a tonne of energy behind them and are usually timed perfectly. I think the knee injury has affected some of that timing/mobility, and I am really hoping he is back at it next year.

  18. Bash says:

    Looking at the issue, at the end of the day, I think, that in my opinion, I believe, it seems, that it is what is. I mean, I’m no scout or anything but I played a shit load of table hockey and players can only get you to the playoffs if they play, you know what I mean? I mean Markov is worth 4.7324321 million and not a penny more even with no pennies and rounding and all that crap. So sign him just for the regular season and not for the playoffs and then play the kids because they are faster, taller, smarter, huger and hungrier and more better. The truth is Bergevin might know what he wants and there are other GMs too.

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

  19. tophab says:

    we should get rid of geoges, murray, frankie, white, moen, parros and play our young dmen and we will be better.

  20. SmartDog says:

    In all this Markov discussion, can anyone say that Markov is is good today as he has been (when healthy)? Because he’s just not. He’s slower, he wears down more over a season. He deserves $5 mil for 2 seasons maybe but not a dime more. For those saying he ‘eats up big minutes’ — is it a good idea to play him 26 minutes a game all season long?

    At some point this team has to start playing its young defensemen – and supporting them. They need to move forward. Markov would be great at the right price but he’s not our #1, SHOULDN’T be our #1, and he’s too slow to play strong D against fast teams in the playoffs where it counts the most. Beaulieu will make more mistakes, and fewer brilliant passes… but he’s on the up curve. Give him a year and opportunity and you’ll have a much better player than if he stays in Hamilton. And he’s got the legs to catch fast wingers.

    ————————————-
    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • shiram says:

      Thing is Beaulieu can’t just take the #2 spot next to Subban, and shine.
      I’m all for bringing Beaulieu in, but he would do better in a more sheltered role, be it on the second or third pairing.

      • tophab says:

        beaulieu is our third best dman behind pk and markov.

        • shiram says:

          He certainly has the potential to be that, though I’m not so sure it is realized yet.

          So, what’s the issue with playing him on the second pairing as I mentioned?
          Or even the third, but with plenty of PP time?

        • Loop_Garoo says:

          No, he is not at all that yet. He has the potential to be a pretty good one though. Beaulieu and Tinordi will likely be 5/6 guys, maybe not playing together, but in terms of ice time. That is about the absolute max you can have for young defense for a long period of time and hope to be ok. I think Pateryn will spend a lot of time as the 7 guy, with some game experience, and Nygren will get traded unless he just blows the other guys out the water in training camp. This years D will likely be Markov, Subban, Gorges, Emelin, Tiny, NB.

    • Chris says:

      This conversation has become ridiculous.

      Signing Andrei Markov will not slow Nathan Beaulieu’s development. This needs to be stated emphatically.

      Here is how I see next year’s defence corps:

      LD: Markov, Gorges/Emelin, Beaulieu
      RD: Subban, Gorges/Emelin, Pateryn/Tinordi
      Spare: Drewiske, perhaps a veteran

      Therrien will play any veterans that Bergevin signs. So if Bergevin thinks two of the kids are ready, he won’t sign veterans like Weaver, Bouillon or Murray.

      Montreal saw all season what a disaster it was not having a third puck-moving defenceman in the line-up becomes. Nathan Beaulieu, barring a complete lack of preparation, is pencilled into the starting line-up for next season.

      But the Habs are not going to play 3 kids at the same time. That is a recipe for trouble in any market, and it could be disastrous in a market as merciless as Montreal. 2 of the kids, at most, will be worked into the line-up this season, and that means that the teams needs a couple of guys who can mentor those kids.

      I think Gorges gets one of them, and Markov gets the other one. Emelin can’t do it, as his own understanding of the NHL is still developing and his English is non-existent, and partnering a kid with Subban, who logs insane minutes against top opponents, is problematic. So it is up to Pateryn, who was by far the superior player in Hamilton last season, or Tinordi to seize that last spot.

      Hal Gill was a journeyman, but he was able to mentor Subban because Subban was such a phenomenal athlete and player when he arrived. Nathan Beaulieu is a good player, but not anywhere close to Subban’s level. Pateryn and Tinordi are well off Subban’s level, and neither projects to provide much offence. So they need an offensive minded partner to be effective.

      • Cal says:

        So, the ice time Beaulieu doesn’t get because Markov is getting all the minutes won’t affect him at all?
        Okay, then. He’ll just soak up experience from the bench then. Or the press box.

        • Chris says:

          I guess you didn’t read, so I will reiterate what I just said.

          Nathan Beaulieu will absolutely be in the line-up. He will be getting second-wave PP time (probably of the order of 2-3 minutes per game). He will be playing 15 minutes or so of even-strength ice time.

          Next season, he will be up to 20 minutes per game, and he will be taking on more responsibilities. By the last year of a 3-year Markov deal, Beaulieu will be ready to take Markov’s place in the line-up, so you can look at trading Markov for assets or you can consider keeping him on to aid in the development of Tinordi or Pateryn, whichever looks more likely to be the next defenceman in the pipeline. By that time, I fully expect that one of Emelin or Gorges will be gone from the team.

          Somehow, you have equated that to him sitting on the bench or in the press box. Fair enough.

          I think that the plan for Beaulieu this year will be along the same lines of what the Kings have done with their young offensive defenceman, Slava Voynov.

          At 21 years old, the age that Beaulieu is now, Voynov averaged 18:32 of ice time on the third pairing for the Kings (behind Doughty, John$on, Mitchell and Scuderi as the top-4). He played 2:28 of that ice time on the power play, mostly on the second wave.

          At 22 years old, the Kings upped that ice time to 22:18 after they traded John$on, but he split his time between the first and second waves with Jake Muzzin. The year under his belt gave him the experience he needed to become a top-4 defenceman for the Kings.

          At 23, Voynov is still only playing about 22 minutes per game but he has seized his role as a top-flight offensive defenceman.

      • tophab says:

        geoges is a bum just by getting rid of him makes us stronger.

        • thebonscott says:

          I don’t know how hockey people don’t understand how bad gorges is, i would be surprised if we could get somebody to take him.

          C’mon guys this is not rocket surgery!!!!

      • SmartDog says:

        It’s not about whether Markov will slow anyone’s development in particular. It’s about whether Markov will improve our chances of winning a cup. To answer that you need to add up:
        a. His CAP HIT (high)
        b. His playoff ability (offense = high; defense = low)
        c. Other options (we have them)

        We have THREE defensemen in Hamilton this year that most people felt were ready to make the jump. Guys like Bournival and Weisse are showing that young players can help lift a team. Their energy is an intangible that is valuable. I want to see a young, fast team that is growing. At almost 10% of our cap space ($6 million), I’d rather get a veteran goal-scorer and let the kids on our blue line develop.

        ————————————-
        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

        • Chris says:

          We aren’t winning the Stanley Cup anytime in the next two years regardless. The lack of goal-scoring forwards up front is fatal, and there are no quick remedies for that barring a trade, for which you need signed assets. The UFA market for goal-scorers this summer is dismal, and the competition for their services will be pretty fierce as a lot of teams have the same need.

          All of this is just so much noise. The big worry is Emelin, Markov and Gorges signed to a collective cap hit of ~ $14 million. Odds are that one of those guys does not finish the next season with Montreal, as they have a surplus of defencemen and centers, and need scorers. You can’t get them via free agency very easily, and drafting them takes too long to see them develop.

          So that leaves a trade.

          There is zero chance that Marc Bergevin runs with all three of Tinordi, Pateryn and Beaulieu. Be realistic…the only teams that do that are the teams that are hoping to land Connor McDavid next season. Now if that is the actual goal, then I can get on board. But settling for a lottery pick is the only way you can get away with playing 3 kids on defence in today’s NHL.

      • Loop_Garoo says:

        Ok, I should have read this before I posted mine above, or I would not have bothered. You are precisely correct.

  21. boing007 says:

    MB gave MT an extension. So, MB will make his moves based on who his coach is and what his coach likes and can deal with. Now MB has to pull off a Houdini like performance to untie all the knots he just wrapped himself in. Don’t hold your breath.

    Richard R

  22. Max says:

    On another funny note,just browsing the 98′ draft when Markov went 5th round/162 overall and noticed that the habs passed up the heady likes of Rico Fata at number 6 overall or the esteemed Jeff Heerema at 11th.How’s about a little Mike Henrich at 13 to Edmonton????

    For every Leblanc and Fischer,there’s a Markov and Gallagher to even it all out.

  23. Max says:

    I reckon Markov will be back at somewhere around 6 cool mill.You can bet your bottom dollar that the current sticking point is that third year.Bergevin will probably talk his camp down to two years at 6ish.

    The guy is a veteran who eats hard minutes,plays well,puts up serious points and has been here since day one.These types don’t grow on trees and for those of you who expect a young whipper snapper to jump in and take Markov’s minutes……get real!

    This current team is a much better group with Mr. Markov on it.

  24. ACGM says:

    I look at it this way, you’ll all get sick of what MB is up to soon, he’s a playoff manager and if you’re happy with that, you maybe happy again in 2015 with a little less results. remember the Eastern conference will be harder to compete against in 2014-2015 keep up or be left behind…

  25. DipsyDoodler says:

    Stupid sports clichés, #110

    “There are players that get you to the playoffs and players that help you win in the playoffs.”

    —–
    Moving. Forward.

  26. JUST ME says:

    I did not read all 600+ comments on thr Markov situation i mean come on…but i saw one that stated a fact that nobody else mentionned about what should be considered as the Komisarek syndrome. Markov makes his teammates better and does things that go unnoticed but stabilizes the d-squad. I think that this side of his game will be even more important if he slows down while his teammates à la Beaulieu take charge of the offense…

    As for Murray well, it was to be expected that the Habs would let him go. He became expendable at the end of his stint in MTL but i wonder who will take the clean up job he used to do very well against certain team. Tinordi ? I don`t think so. He has other aspects of his game to work on and is not a natural born enforcer.

  27. theflukester says:

    @Markov & 18mil. Are you high Markov? MB would be dumb to even give that a thought. Nobody is going to pay that guy that much with busted up knees and no physicality to make it through playoffs.

    @Therrien extension. Whatever. I think he sucks as a coach and he’s not a coach who will nurture the young guys. But Montreal already blew it when the didn’t hire Roy. Don’t tell me it was Therrien who got us through the playoffs. That was the players in spite of Therrien. Knew he would get an extension and to me it’s nothing but the same thing as Desharnais, it’s a business and MB wanted to make sure they had a career.

    MB needs to get rid of the dead wood on this team and make some hard decisions and those better not be signing Markov or Gionta. Get rid of the smurfs on this team!!

    Play every game as if it is your last one. Guy Lafleur

    • Cal says:

      This post deserves a reply.
      A little over the top re Markov.
      A lot stoned if you believe teams win IN SPITE OF their coaches.

      • Chris says:

        The 1986 Montreal Canadiens won in spite of their coach at the time, Jean Perron. After going into a tailspin to end the season, the prevailing story was that Robinson and Gainey and the rest of the team’s veterans essentially shut out Perron and ran the team internally. Perron was basically a figurehead behind the bench.

        • Cal says:

          Yup, he was so awful he was there until the end of 87/88.

          • Chris says:

            Read some history. It is pretty well documented how much that team quit on Perron.

            The unintended comedy of the players saving the job of a coach they did not respect by winning the Stanley Cup is not lost on me. :)

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Sticky star for historical insight.
          However, 1986 seems like a rare exception to an otherwise pretty safe rule.

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      He gets that easily on the open market, simply as there are not many defensemen on the market that offer what he does, and he is likely the best all around d-man free agent this year. If Montreal does not give him 3 years, he’ll go elsewhere and get 4. Markov has slowed, did get tired, but is still an outstanding player, and no he cannot be replaced by Bennet or Nygren, or Ellis or….

      • theflukester says:

        Well I’d like to see that. He was no amazing player this year. Fanboy love doesn’t do anything for the actualities here. He’s old, slowed down and really not the old Markov. If someone wants to pay him that ridiculous amount of money, let them.

        Therrien, again, another fanboy vs realism argument. He’s such a great coach he had to spend the whole season mixing lines and when he had good line combo’s he mixed them up again. Let players like Gionta who major stink get major minutes on the ice and sitting young players who made mistakes. He killed Tinordi’s confidence big time. He’s an average coach in my opinion and MB really f’d up when they didn’t take Roy. I expect Therrien gone within 2 years.

        Mark my words, unless this team changes next year, MB makes some hard decisions we will not have the success we did this year. Signing Markov and Gionta is not something that will help this team moving forward. When you got players who are supposed to score but can’t when you need them too, there’s problems. Chalking it up bad luck or no luck is not acceptable when they make millions. Do you see Crosby go months without a goal? Never.

        I didn’t even knock at Plekanec who for most of the playoffs is invisible. Year in year out, same thing. How many years do we have to go with the same old same old?

        Play every game as if it is your last one. Guy Lafleur

        • kalevine says:

          I hear the rantings of a passionate fan here, but I basically agree. It’s one thing to be patient for a winner when sensible decisions are made, quite another to sit by while the team does not recognize dead wood and cut the chord, while continuing with “patronage” appointments. That’s where we lose patience.

        • Forum Dog says:

          There are a few points here I would tend to agree with, save for Markov. I wouldn’t want MB to throw money at him blindly or without safeguards in place, but I also think the Habs are better off with him under contract. The youngsters are not ready to play 20 minutes/game yet and Markov is a known quantity who can help those guys develop.

          • theflukester says:

            Definitely passionate. I don’t want to seem like I am arguing but I feel you have to give the young guys a proper shot. We are rebuilding right? Sure they will make mistakes and that’s when coaches can then show them their mistakes and let them build on them and get better next game. The old saying “you learn from your mistakes”. You don’t learn by being benched many games and looking from the pressbox. Rebuilding has pains associated with it. We have the talent below, we just need them to play and get the experience. Markov to me is not a example of excellence anymore. We need to get Tinordi and Beaulieu up and get them the time on the ice. Look at Gionta, how does he show experience to younger players and stuff when he is constantly giving the puck away, slow to get back and backcheck, almost invisible along the boards. A shot that could barely make it through cardboard. Great, I’m happy he is great in the dressing room but on the ice he stinks and he robs time away from the young guys. I got nothing personal against these players, I am looking to the future and don’t care to be stuck in the present.

            MB is doing a good job overall, but I’ll just end this by saying I hope he “really” thinks about resignings. You got to have faith in your young talent and give them the chance.

            Play every game as if it is your last one. Guy Lafleur

          • Loop_Garoo says:

            Signing Markov has nothing to do with whether or not the young guys get a shot. That has to do with signing cube or Murray.

  28. ACGM says:

    The problem with Vanek, he can score 30 goals in the regular season and help a team to the playoffs with the Habs he didn’t prove he was any good beyond that. some team will be crazy enough to give him big bucks just to make the playoffs, maybe the leafs they are good at that.

  29. habs_54321 says:

    should have signed wisniewski.

  30. Maritime Ronn says:

    Why Markov may need a front loaded contract (expensive sipping habits of partner-concentrate on the bottle)

    http://25stanley.com/2014/06/09/la-blonde-dandrei-markov-a-gagne-le-weekend-du-grand-prix-de-montreal/image/11149–screen-shot-2014-06-09-at-5-12-24-pm

  31. adamkennelly says:

    when I face tough decisions I ask myself which is worse

    doing it and regretting it or not doing it and regretting it. In this case – its much worse to sign him and regret it since you really can’t answer the other half of the equation. on that note – I trade his right and walk away.

    that being said – I have no problem if they do sign him – as many posters have stated – Habs need him (or a D like him) and there aren’t others out there.

    I expect him to be signed – he’ll get his loot and term.

  32. alfieturcotte says:

    Markov should be paid as a 36-yr old 3/4th D, not based on his value pre injury days. He is certainly not a 1-2 D any longer as he does not have the speed to keep up with some skaters. How often did he fall victim to an untimely pinch or inability to catch the winger? He is a solid 3-4 D option and that should not merit more than $3-$4MM a year. If I am MB, I resign Weaver who frankly is just as good defensively and give more playing minutes to Beaulieu on the PP. This way, Habs save $4.5MM to be used more wisely elsewhere.

    While he is at it, he should not resign Gionta and trade Pleks/Gorges to the Oilers. Between the money saved and the talent received in return for Pleks/Gorges, I like the direction the Canadiens would be heading. Alternatively, if we resign Markov and Gionta plus keep Pleks/Gorges, we will see an old Habs team very much in decline. I predict that it will be virtually impossible to move Markov and Gionta after next season…….Cut bait, move forward MB. Sadly, I do not believe that either MB or MT have the intelligence/intestinal fortitude to make these moves.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Alfie, are we not always left lamenting the difference between what a player should be paid, as you say, and their market value? The gap between what Markov’s worth and what he can demand is something MB will be trying to close.

      • alfieturcotte says:

        It’s a zero sum game Dunboyne. If you give it to Markov, it prevents you from making changes and giving it to another. $6MM is too much for what they’ll get in return from a rapidly aging D. I’d do a 1 year at $6MM, nothing more. I suspect Markov won’t take less than his current salary ($5.7MM?) so what gap will MB try to manage?

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      Go and look then at comparable contacts/salaries, and you will find that 3 years at 6 million is about what they do get. A lot of players that are not nearly as good as Markov have got close to that money and term, like Gonchar, Striet etc.

      • dr. schmutzdeker says:

        Yes, and while you’re at it, check to see how much value (based on the ridiculously inflated money/term given) was extracted from these players on the ‘back half or back third” of their contract term.

      • kalevine says:

        how many 36 year olds with 45 year old knees get 3 year 6 mill contracts?

  33. jimmy shaker says:

    Please not another day of this MB…..Sign him. It’s a great deal for both sides, just front load it for the first two years!

    Shaker out!

    • knob says:

      From what I understand, the amendments to the CBA do not permit front loaded contracts like it did 5 years ago. A players salary can only drop by 35% per year and in the last year a players salary has to be at least 50% of his max year. Maybe someone could confirm this??

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Thanks, knob. Your info is actually vital to our (interminable!) discussion of this deal.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        That’s just about 100% correct.

        ” For front-loaded contracts where the average of salary plus bonuses over the first half of the contract exceeds the cap hit, variability rules apply.

        Year-to-year variability is limited to 35 per cent of the first-year compensation.

        If a player earns $10M in Year 1, the contract cannot subsequently increase/decrease by more than $3.5M from year to year.

        Meanwhile, the lowest year’s compensation cannot be less than 50 per cent of the highest year’s compensation.

        If a player earns $10M in his highest year, he can never earn less than $5M any other year.

        http://www.capgeek.com/faq/what-s-the-100-percent-rule

  34. JF says:

    I think there are two reasons Markov will be signed for the term and salary he’s demanding (although the team might front-load the contract so the third year will be less). The first reason is to help the team make the playoffs. If we don’t re-sign Markov, we’d either have to replace him, which would likely be difficult and more expensive than re-signing him, or give his minutes to our young players and let them learn and make their mistakes. This would almost certainly cost us a playoff berth.

    The other reason is to mentor younger players and form part of the experienced, veteran core of the team. The importance of such a core in developing a winning ethos cannot be over-stated. If we do as many are suggesting and get rid of most of our veterans – Markov, Plekanec, Gionta, Gorges, Bouillon – we will be left with a team that is mostly young and inexperienced and will have to learn how to win while probably losing most of the time. A bit like the Oilers.

    I’m not sure that’s so easy to do. The Habs hit bottom two years ago and were able to climb back up the next year. But what if the team were to sit at the bottom for several years? Would we be able to get back the winning ethos that seems to be developing under the present management? Or would that in itself entail a rebuilding process? I don’t know; I’m just suggesting that this could be a problem with the idea of getting rid of our veterans in order to let the kids develop, even if this means several years out of the playoffs.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      An entire Sobey’s aisle of cans of worms, JF!

      Can No. 1: We are quite polarised here, certainly about D. Let Markov go and sink-or-swim with the Hamilton boys VS Keep Markov, front-load contract, mentoring, managed minutes. Are the playoffs possible without Markov – a corollary question.

      Can No. 2: Could we ever look like the Oilers? Nightmares! MT would be gone, possibly MB. Oh no, not more instability! Not the start of another 5-year plan!

      etc

  35. Thank you AM for years in a Habs jersey perhaps? Me thinks its time to trade his rights for a Draft Pick or a possible trade AM is willing to move to? Its time for youth movement to take the reins. Price is the man who can bail out young D who will make mistakes going forward. That’s a given. Here’s how the D should look like starting training camp.

    1. Subban
    2. Emelin
    3. Gorges
    4. Tinordi
    5. Pateyrn
    6. Nygren
    7.Beaulieu

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I think 4 rookies is 2 too much especially with only the likes of Emelin and Gorges ahead of them.

    • knob says:

      With MT at the helm, here is how the ice would be distributed:
      Subban – 40 min/gm
      Emelin – 25
      Gorges – 30
      Beulieu – 15
      Tinordi – 7
      Pateyrn – 3
      Nygren – 0
      But realistically, I don’t know how the Habs can afford to sign Markov, Subban and Eller without a trade happening.

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      We have no idea whatsoever if Pateryn or Nygren will be able to play in the NHL. We know a bit about Tinordi, and can be confident that NB will be ok, and develop into a solid D man. It is not just going with 4 rookies that is a problem, its having not idea at all if some of them are even going to be able to play in the league. I understand Nygren has some talent, but he has a lot to prove before we slot him in there.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Scarily valid. A Skin-Bracer moment.

      • Magnus Nygren just turned 24 years old on 7th of June and Greg Pateryn is turning 24 years old this coming Friday the 20th of June. Its Prime Time for these kids to get expose before they will reach UFA status.

        • Loop_Garoo says:

          There is a reason that they are that age without a lot of NHL experience. Yes, let them play a few more games and see, but Pateryn looked like he couldn’t keep up his first time, and Nygren we have no clue about, other than he is great in a different league. If they were the superstars in the making that they are made out to be here, they’d be playing.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Regarding Nygren, it’s looking uncomfortably like us posters are going to have to place our trust in the judgement of Montreal’s Euro scouts….

  36. Cal says:

    A surprising 8 of 10 don’t think 3 years @ $6mil/season is a good idea. Then again, I am pretty sure MB doesn’t frequent this site. ;)

  37. habs001 says:

    If Markov gets 6m,PK 8m add in Gorges and Emelin those 4 D are getting 30% of your cap…Not sure that is the best way to manage your cap…

    • Cal says:

      Think MB will lowball PK again?

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        If he does, PK takes the Habs to Arbitration….then becomes a UFA in 2 summers from now

      • Haberoooo13 says:

        Then it will almost definitely be bye bye PK in a couple of years

        Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

      • Habfan17 says:

        I don’t think so! I do think if Markov is resigned for the money he is asking, Gorges will be gone. I know that Vanek comes off the books as do, Murray and Parros. Not sure about Boullion, Gionta and Weaver yet. We do know that Weise and Eller should be resigned and in Eller’s case, he will make more than last time. It could also spell the end of White in a Habs uniform. Then the Habs will need to add at least one top 6 forward. If we assume that Bergevin’s comments mean he wants to resign Gionta, he should come in for around half of his last salary for one season, although if Markov gets 3 years and the coin he wants, why would Gionta take a big cut?

        It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out!
        Habfan17

      • habs001 says:

        PK is the type of D you need to win a cup…Habs will sign him…Looking at the majority of cup winners over the last 40 years they all had at least one dominant D who provided scoring…

      • knob says:

        If I was PK and MB low-balled me, again, I would take my bat and ball and go play elsewhere.

    • boing007 says:

      Thirty percent of the cap on four players would not be a good way to manage the team either. I think MB should go spend a few weeks in a monastery and do some serious thinking.

      Richard R

  38. Haberoooo13 says:

    Forgetting ability, age, loyalty and all other criteria…shouldn’t AM’s rather recent knee history factor in negotiations?

    Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      There’s no way it doesn’t. If I’m MB, the first thing visible on the table when I open the Markov folder are the latest scans and reports.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      By recent you mean three seasons ago correct? Given he hasn’t missed a game for the Habs over the past two season, or KHL games, or Olympic games in the past few seasons due to his knees….

      • Habfan17 says:

        Very good point! MB would have a problem playing that card, but he can still use the fact that it has slowed him and has hurt his ability to pivot and turn, letting opposing players blow past him!

        Habfan17

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Entirely valid, Burly, although the situation with his knees has changed the kind of player he is, so that a hard-nosed businessman won’t fail to bring it up.

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      No, because I think he has proven that the knee is fine.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        You mean fine except for being slower and less mobile?

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Is that age or knee related? Perhaps both, but I am quite tired of the “bad Knees” lamenting, when he has been arguably our teams iron man the past two seasons.

          • Luke says:

            Yah, why harp on Markov’s knees when we can start lamenting over Galchenyuk’s busted up knees. ACL surgery as a teen and whatever kind of clandestine knee injury kept him out of 20 games this year.
            He’s hobbled. We should trade him now before he loses all value, gets another knee injury or is too old to contribute.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Dr Dunboyne would be keeping tabs on the Galchenyuk knee AND the Emelin knee AND the Price knee-or-whatever, and would be donning trench-coat and Groucho-disguise to sniff around any clandestine fixer-uppers as well. They’re all thoroughbreds (we just don’t shoot them).

  39. Mick says:

    Markov will get his 3 years at 18-million.
    1st year 8 million
    2nd year 6.5
    3rd year 3.5
    MB brings up 2 of the 3, Beaulieu-Tinordi-Pateryn and signs weaver making it all work.
    :)
    I would move on from Markov and go after a nice big right winger.
    Use the kids and let them grow.
    We are not winning the cup next year??

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Hi Mick.
      Good points, and agree last sentence, but making playoffs remains a priority, right?

    • ACGM says:

      Mick – and the next year, and the next year, little to nothing up front we have the pieces for Defense if they would let them play. until we fix that our chances of winning a cup in the next 5-years will be the same as this year. it will all depend on how the eastern conference shapes up. a lot of teams will be getting better we’d better keep up or we’ll be in trouble making the playoffs 2015.

  40. jacquesthemonkey says:

    I think part of the reason that MB has to sign Markov is that the Habs didn’t ease more rookies into the defensive corps last year. Is Therrien really going to start more than one rookie on D at one time? I doubt it. No matter how well they play during training camp MB/MT will favour experience on the blue line.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      We tend to blame MT for that. I wonder, alternatively, is it possible those guys just weren’t ready for easing…. Might have cost us the playoffs?

      • jacquesthemonkey says:

        Sure, could be that they weren’t ready but I think at least 1 should have been given regular ice time with the big team, most likely Beaulieu. Plenty of mistakes would have been made but I don’t think he would have been any worse than Murray.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Do you rate Beaulieu the highest? Or is it unhelpful to compare such different D men as Beaulieu and Tinordi?

          • jacquesthemonkey says:

            I think Beaulieu has the edge at the moment based on his play in the playoffs. A very strong training camp by Pateryn or Tinordi could shake that up though.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            I agree about NB.
            But we really need one of those bigger guys to evolve quickly into someone who can clear the crease, maybe discourage forwards from thinking about visiting there, and pinching at the right time. Murray did all that, but the cost was too great. If Nygren isn’t history, can he fight for such a role with Tinordi and Pateryn?

          • jacquesthemonkey says:

            Beaulieu is definitely the better puck handler but they may need Tinordi as well for his physical presence to fill the void left by Murray.

  41. Ian Cobb says:

    Mustang! We all think the world of PK, but he has another rung in the ladder to attain yet, before he gets top bucks, me thinks!

  42. Haberoooo13 says:

    Interesting that Reway is going to play in top Czech league instead of Gatineau for another year…might be a positive to be playing against men.

    Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

  43. Maritime Ronn says:

    A few things to consider if Markov chooses elsewhere for whatever reason.
    It is Markov’s choice – not the Habs.

    Habs depth Chart without UFAs Markov and Weaver (Murray-Bouillon)

    1) Subban (needs to be signed…)
    2) Emelin
    3) Gorges (now a 3rd pairing/PK specialist)
    – Beaulieu-Tinordi-Pateryn-Drewiske-Nygren (???)
    – Ellis-Dietz-Thrower-Bennet

    In theory, the Habs would be missing 2 ‘proven’ Top 4 Dmen that can play NOW against the opponents Top 6 forwards.

    – The reasons why 35 year old Markov will be offered at least (front loaded-Bonus) 3 years/18M and quite possibly 4 years/$20M on the Open Market.

    Mark Streit – 36 years old – $5.25M for 3 more years.
    Gonchar – 40 years old – $5M finishing a 2 year deal
    Brian Campbell – 35 – $7.1M for 2 more years.
    Phaneuf – 29- $7M for 7 more years. (joke contract)
    Chara – 37- $6.9M for 4 more years.
    Visnovski – 37 – $4.75M finishing a 2 year deal.

    Available UFA Dmen:
    http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents/?year_id=2014&team_id=-1&position_id=D&fa_type_id=2

    – Will their own teams sign them before July1st?
    – If not, will they want to play in Canada, and more specifically, the Montreal Fishbowl?
    – While this may change, history has shown that Montreal is not a preferred landing spot for high profile UFAs

    Trade?
    Top 4 Dmen are considered as ‘Gold.’
    Any team would ask for a Top 6 forward +.
    Guys like Galchenyuk-Gallagher-Pacioretty, or some package of players and draft picks that included Plekanec-Eller-Beaulieu…

    • Haberoooo13 says:

      Top 4 defensemen are a big value…I just don’t think Markov should get 3 years. I give 2 max, but really letting him go is ok with me.
      He is way too gassed at playoff time….
      Should he return, I would hope that he would swallow a bit of pride and allow coaches to cut his icetime more throughout the season.

      Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        It wouldn’t be hard to cut some of Markov’s minutes.

        Last season ToI of 25:14/game broken down as follows:

        Even Strength: 18:21
        Power play: 4:23
        Penalty kill: 2:30.

        Start easing him off 1st Unit PP and move in Beauleu.
        Get him off the PK or just once in a while on the later half.

        Doing that gets Markov to the 20 minute range.
        He would still be a part of the PP, and probably wouldn’t miss playing the PK.

        • Haberoooo13 says:

          I agree…but would he be willing to accept that? I wrote it yesterday, these guys all have their pride and egos and when you are used to top pair minutes, a lot of guys don’t like letting them go.

          Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

          • Maritime Ronn says:

            Good point for sure.
            Easing in Beaulieu onto the PP could mean every 2nd or 3rd chance.
            In those situations, Markov could still be on the 2nd Unit.
            Getting Markov off the dangerous PK and those tough minutes would probably be welcome by him

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      I am SO, SO VERY happy for Chara and Boston that his contract goes another 4 years! This helps to ensure our continued domination of that ugly franchise.

      Poor Dougie! He’ll be skating with a zimmer frame by the time he becomes the Alpha D.

      Great homework, MRonn. Sticky star for you.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Thanks for the comparable contracts. I’ll bet each of the Gm’s that gave them out, wish they hadn’t, maybe not with Visnovski.

      Gonchar had 22 points and was minus 12, He certainly didn’t help Dallas , make or win in the play offs. I won’t go through them all, I will just say all over paid, and Phaneuf, grossly over paid. He must have pictures on someone!

      Habfan17

  44. Haberoooo13 says:

    Any update on the Wiese re-signing?

    Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

  45. Cal says:

    If it’s up to me Markov would go and I would play the 4 rookies. We have seen the best of Markov, Pleks and Gionta. None of these will improve. They will decline. Why pay top dollar for to watch them become liabilities? Why not let them go or move them for younger, bigger and speedier assets?
    I heard TSN690 this morning saying stuff like “Detroit re-signed Lidstrom and didn’t blink when he was 40.” Well, guess what? They re-signed Chelios, too, even when he could no longer skate.
    The Habs must skew younger and gain experience, not skew older and slowly become worse. Experience is fine, but not when speedy forwards are blowing by your pinch, and I saw a lot of that with Markov this year. Hell, Murray pinched better.
    It’s time to move on, and not watch players in their declining years cost more games than rookie mistakes.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Mornin Cal! You’d be one tough SOB GM to deal with. :)

      • Cal says:

        I don’t get emotional when it comes to business. Like you and your worms! :)

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Surely, Jim, you keep one or two as pets? Farmers do it: a favourite hen or lamb. Then there’s “Babe”, of course, the sheep-pig, spared the butcher (as well as Wilbur, of course). You don’t HAVE to go the Cal route.

    • Hobie says:

      I wouldn’t include Plekanec in that group but agree with the rest. Plekanec hasn’t been much to write home about in the playoffs but if the Habs ever had a real star centerman Plekanec would fit real nicely as a good number two.

      I’m all for letting Markov, Murray, Weaver and Bouillon walk and having Beaulieu, Pateryn and Tinordi in the lineup. Even if it means taking a step back. I still think we’d make the playoffs and who knows, maybe we wouldn’t miss a beat at all?

    • ACGM says:

      Cal – finally someone with a good insight but I would hang on to pleks, I’m not overly excited over Galchenyuk yet, gotta see him play center for a year could be a bust there seen those movies before.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        So would you start him as 3rd line centre?

        (me attempting to reinforce my proposed distribution of centres for the coming season. It was predicated on Pleks being traded).

  46. Swoop says:

    If I was MB I would give Markov his three years but straight up tell him that there’s no hope of a “No movement clause” in that third year.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Someone else mentioned that yesterday, swoop. That’s an excellent point. I hate the business side of sports but this negotiation would be kind of interesting to witness, huh?

      Perhaps it goes something like this:

      MB: I can’t give you a non movement guarantee for the 3rd year.
      AM: Then you have to move some of that 3rd year money to years 2 and 3.

      Must be fascinating stuff. The give and take battle of a contract.

    • ACGM says:

      a contract to a guy that’s done his time and is not going to win us a cup shouldn’t be hard at all to decide on when you have young guys waiting in the wings. This game is a a game of chances, keep hanging on to the ole Guys for sentimental reasons don’t improve a team and MB is about to find out 2014-2015.

  47. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning everyone. It appears that MB has decided to keep Markov. The deal will get done soon. Many of us would prefer 2 versus 3 years but I suspect Markov will get his 3.

    He has tremendous leverage at this point. There propably a few teams that would go 3 in a NY minute and maybe even some that would go 4+.

    Some here have written that Markov is a veteran presence and could probably help the young dman soon to be with us. That may be true but he wasn’t exactly a strong supporter of PK during his rookie season growing pains. I’m not sure Markov is that kind of guy. I’m not in the room so its just an external observation/guess.

    That all being said, Bergevin has made up his mind, probably long ago. Markov is a priority for him.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Good morning, Jim.
      Good points. Like you, I’d only be speculating, but I would reckon any mentoring value Markov brings is largely on ice, at practice and during games. If you’re a baby D-man partnering Markov or just playing in front of him, I’d imagine you’d want to play your A-game non-stop.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Good morning Jim,

      We don’t really know, but it does seem Markov is a priority to Bergevin. He likes stability and he is a loyal guy by all acoounts. I just hope if the deal is, or does get done, it is for 2 years and for less coin.

      Habfan17

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Hiya Steve. I agree with you but right now Markov holds all the chips. Bergevin will have to over pay a bit to keep him I think. Like you I just hope it’s not ridiculous.

        • Habfan17 says:

          I think you are right!! When it does happen. I hope Bergevin can find a depth defencman for the left side with some jam, and that he resigns Weaver. Then fingers crossed, Pateryn and Nygren are ready. Then the Habs will have depth, balance and experience.
          Emelin, PK
          Markov, Nygren
          Gorges, Pateryn
          ?, Weaver

          Let Tinordi go back to Hamilton and dominate for a season. If Bennett is as good as advertised, trade Beaulieu for Evander Kane or another top 6 winger like him.

          Habfan17

          • Loop_Garoo says:

            Bennet is not nearly as skilled as Beaulieu, and while a solid prospect, is much smaller and and still an unproven prospect. Bennett will not be a star, MIGHT be a solid contributor in 2 or 3 years.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      It would take all the credibility away that Bergevin has built up the past few years, If he gave such a contract to Markov.
      He will be 36 this season and is only capable of 2/3rd of what he was 10 years ago. Bergevin will shave bucks and yrs. off of what he is asking.
      4 1/2 million for two years tops!!

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Hi Ian. I’m sure that’s fine with Bergevin but Markov can say no and get that 3rd and possibly 4th year somewhere else.

        I’m just guessing that Bergevin does not want to lose Markov and Markov knows it.

        I’d be thrilled with your result though.

      • Mustang says:

        Ian, I think that most pro athletes are over-paid (just my opinion) but in Markov’s case it is simply a question of his market value. Lots of teams are looking for solid, experienced defence. Assuming that Markov wants to stay in Montreal, you could probably pay him slightly less than he could get from some other team(s), but not all that much less or he will decide to move. The other point that must be factored into the equation is exactly how will Markov’s numbers fit into the salary cap 2 or 3 years down the road. We also must remember that P.K. will be looking for mega bucks.

  48. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Hey 17 and Marshall.

    Reckon you’re both right. Without Markov, as you say Marshall, it’s harder to make the playoffs. We would indeed need to find a different way to get in.

    No doubt MB is working on both possible scenarios, with/without Markov. MB may still preach patience, but there’s no way that allows for not making the playoffs in 14-15.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Good morning D M,

      If the cards all fell into place and these players are ready, I would like to see Markov resign for two years, and Pateryn and Nygren make the team. Then Beaulieu and Tinoordi can go to Hamilton and we can see if they can excel or dominate. I would also be okay trading Beaulieu for a top 6 power winger if Bennett turns out to come as advertised. They are similar players. Nygren and Patery are more experienced and mature at 24 and 23 years of age respectively.
      Emelin, Subban,
      Markov, Nygren
      Gorges, Pateryn
      ?, Weaver

      Habfan17

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Wow, Steve!
        Those are pretty fresh perspectives! But who knows? Trading Beaulieu already, Nygren and Pateryn leap-frogging what was perceived as the depth chart. Bold!

        I am in NO position to comment, never having seen Nygren or Bennett, and can’t remember Pateryn. Except to say this sure beats arguing over Markov!

        Let’s see how the Heavies respond!

        Cheers

  49. Who will be the starting centers for Habs 4 lines next? Pick one of these 6 and rate them 1 to 4?

    1. Plekanec
    2. Galchenyuk
    3. Desharnais
    4. Eller
    5. Briere
    6. White

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Great way to focus the issue, 1959. I’ll bite, and quickly, before those more learned get in!

      Picture becomes much, much clearer if Pleks ends up traded (and not for another centre of course!). In the event that he is…

      Reverse order:

      4. White: Want to see him winning face-offs, bringing his energy, unseating Boston’s Best-4th-Line.

      3. Galchenyuk: he’s still learning and growing, but we want him in the centre. Let his apprenticeship be versus opponents’ lesser lights.

      2. Desharnais: can’t fault him in the playoffs, and he’d be a killer No. 2 centre. But I just think No.2 is his ceiling.

      1. Eller: during the playoffs, he looked like he was ready. Whether or not he can play against opponents’ best every night, only time will tell.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      If I use the “Jim” rating system, that is the players I most want to see as centers then Eller would be in the mix.

      1) Galchenyuk – Time to let the star rise.

      2 DD – He gets a lot of bashing but he’s one of the teams most gifted ofensive players.

      3) Pleks – Another who gets a lot of bashing but he’s a terrific 2 way center. Eller can be just as productive as a winger.

      4) Depends. I suspect there will be nights where we’ll want a more physical 4th line presence and that could mean White. If Briere doesn’t play himself out of MT’s doghouse then he may find himself in a limited 4th line role again.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Jim, I didn’t even bother with poor Briere! Would it be outlandish to suggest having a physical, high-energy 4th line (led by White) ready to go every game? Why reserve it for physical opponents when it might help us dominate other kinds of teams as well?

        (no one has trashed either of us yet…)

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Good morning 24. I still have mixed feeling about Vanek but unlike the author I don’t feel sorry for him.

      One side of me want to lay some of the blame for the poor playoff performance on a coach that juggled his linemates and limited his ice time.

      The other part of me says this is who he is. He has a history of disappearing and seemingly loathing through games. We saw it with Buffalo, and we saw it even more frequently on the Island. If you do it in an Eastern Conference Final that sets off anybody’s alarm.

      Somebody will give Vanek a ridiculous contract that will be on the short list of next CBA’s compliance buy out list.

    • Phil C says:

      I will be surprised if he doesn’t get paid despite his playoffs.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        By whom, Phil? Not us, right?

        Also, are we especially horse-shy of the sporadic scorer in Montreal? (Think of any number of former players, last 20 years). Or is it something most teams experience?

        • krob1000 says:

          I think if he palys with DD-Patches or they moce Chucky to center with a combo like that he would score 40 goals and 75 points and so would Patches. If he plays with Pleks he will be disinterested…he is alot like Kovalev in that regard. I think he knows that if he does resign he will be expected to work much harder…that may or may not appeal to him. I would like him back but if not I would roll the dice perhaps on Hemsky. Especially for the regular season it is really good to ahve one of those super skill guys because they will capitalize a lot during the season…Hemsky adn Vanek are also RH and Habs need another good RH shot forward.

        • Phil C says:

          Probably not the Habs. But there are many teams desperate for scoring that will overpay. It is the nature of free agency.


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