Markov as next Habs captain?

One of the biggest offseason questions for Canadiens fans is who will be the team’s next captain?

Columnist Jack Todd believes that Andrei Markov is a fine candidate to replace Brian Gionta, who is now with the Buffalo Sabres. Former Canadiens coach Jacques Demers also believes that Markov is the man to wear the C.

However, Todd doesn’t believe Markov wants the job.

Writes Todd: “Markov has come a long way from the shy guy who wouldn’t say nyet in either Russian or English when I first met him in Moscow in 1999. Back then, Markov was content to stand back and let his Moscow Dynamo teammates, Maxim Afinogenov and Nik Antropov, do all the talking. Since then, a very different Markov has emerged, a highly intelligent observer with a quick, dry wit and a sly grin. Which doesn’t mean that he wants to stand in the room and answer 79 mostly stupid questions from the media horde after every game. (‘Uh, Andrei, would you say the guys were giving it 110 per cent tonight or was it more like 109 per cent?’ ‘Uh, Andrei, how great was Carey Price tonight?’)”
Todd adds: “Don’t get me wrong: I agree with Demers. In the room and on the ice, Markov might be the best choice to replace Brian Gionta as captain. He has the talent, the respect, the calm demeanor, the experience and that mysterious quality of leadership the position demands.”Markov would be (with his buddy, Alex Ovechkin of the Washington Capitals) one of only two Russian captains in the NHL. I just think he’s too smart to take the job.”If the C doesn’t go to Markov, then where does it go?

Todd suggests there are several other good candidates on the Habs roster, including Brandon Prust, P.K. Subban, Tomas Plekanec and Brendan Gallagher.

Who would be your pick?

(Photo by Allen McInnis/The Gazette)

Markov would make a fine Canadiens captain, by Jack Todd

NHL 2014-15 broadcast schedule: who owns rights to what games: Fagstein blog


  1. HardHabits says:

    I see there was some excitement earlier on. What happened? What I miss?

  2. John Q Public says:

    It’s just a matter of perspective.

  3. Mavid ® says:

    Patches..or turtleneck power should have the C

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

    • Coach K says:

      Respectfully, no Turtleneck who goes invisible in the playoffs and no Patches either…at least not yet. He tends to disappear for long stretches too often when he doesn’t have the puck. Not a good example for others. Maybe an “A” would help Patch work toward being more consistent though…

      —When Hell freezes over, I’ll play hockey there too—

  4. piper says:

    Do the players get to choose their captain. Thats the way it should be.

  5. HabFab says:

    So who got banned leaving all that mess of bodies down below?

    And it was nice to see Twi finally come out.

    • twilighthours says:

      Coming out as a vegetarian or an arsehole? I thought you guys knew those things about me already.

      Just a random new troll. Signed up today, insulted everybody, got banned. The usual.

  6. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Below is copy of an e-mail I received of link to Steve Faguy’s blog: Steve works for The Gazette, but has his own blog.

    I have not absorbed it’s content yet, so not sure if improved or same ol’ Stay High In Transit

    I have to go shopping with My Daughter at this time, and I leave this for Your perusal

    Steve Faguy; August 18, 2014 at 5:05 pm; ‘NHL broadcast schedule 2014-15: Who owns rights to what games’

    “The final piece of the puzzle as far as the NHL schedule is concerned has finally been revealed with the publishing of regional broadcast schedules. This allows us to break down who will broadcast what where, and I’ve done so below for the seven Canadian NHL teams.

    As previously announced, Rogers has all the national rights to NHL games, which includes all Saturday night games and all playoff games. Beyond that, it gets a bit complicated (some games are national in one language but not the other, for example). Regional games will be viewable in the team’s region (here’s a map of the teams’ regions), but those outside will need to fork out cash for NHL Centre Ice or NHL GameCentre to see all their team’s games. (Or maybe not? Rogers still gives me a coy “details will be announced in the coming weeks” when I ask about that.)”

    TV broadcast region: Atlantic Canada, Quebec, Ontario east of Belleville/Pembroke.

    National TV (English):
    21 Saturday night games on Hockey Night in Canada
    5 Wednesday games on Sportsnet E/O/W/P
    4 Sunday games on City
    1 Sunday game on Sportsnet E/O/W/P
    1 Thursday game on Sportsnet 360
    National TV (French):
    1 Wednesday night game on TVA Sports (season opener)
    21 Saturday night games on TVA Sports
    Regional TV (English): No broadcast deal announced
    Regional TV (French): 60 games on RDS
    Radio (English): All 82 games on TSN Radio 690
    Radio (French): All 82 games on CHMP 98.5


    Read and sign at;

  7. Harditya says:

    I don’t mind the team rolling 3 assistant captains like they did in the 09-10 season. They can wait another year to see a ‘true leader’ emerge but I think this past spring showed many things. The two clear-cut leaders that emerged at the right time were PK and Carey. I think it’s pretty obvious that Price is the undisputed captain. Yeah, I get it goalies can’t be named captains. PK did fade in the Conference Final but so did the entire team. This is where you make a case for Markov, who had the most points against Rangers (5) after Bourque (6) on a team that was struggling offensively. Not to mention he also had 5 points against the B’s. He contributed more than David and Max were able to in those 2 rounds, while handling tough minutes alongside a struggling Emelin. Others suggest Plekanec as a solid candidate – but I for one have never been impressed by his game during the playoffs. He plays a shut down role, but always leaves you wanting more when it comes to offensive production (not like Gionta helped with a grand total of 1 goal in the playoffs).
    So long story cut short, if we’re going to be reluctant from choosing someone too young like Gallagher, the choice is pretty much between Pernell Karl and Markov. I am fine with either representing our team.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      PK didn’t fade. The Rangers basically stood next to him on the PPs. The guys up front didn’t take advantage of this (e.g., DD, Max, etc.). Anyway, there was no excuse to get shut down like they did in Game 6. No one, besides the goalie, stood up.

      • Harditya says:

        You’re right about that – I was very disappointed by the play of Max and DD, they definitely underperformed (I almost used the word ‘choked’) this spring though they’ll get the benefit of the doubt that it was their first real playoff experience. Not to blame those 2 for everything, our veterans Pleks, Vanek and Gio definitely choked in that entire round, doing nothing productive.

  8. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    MB should sign a goon and make him the captain…LOL

  9. Adidess says:

    Twilight, watch you say about kittens! : )

    Looks like the mods dealt with him, but anyway… Last year, somebody took a guess as to who I probably was and went with “drug addict” and “uneducated low life”. That poster is still around.

    Leftist government employee sounds like a full-throttle endorsement in comparison.

  10. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Plekanec captained Czech Republic at the Olympics this year, that should be a deciding factor!

  11. JUST ME says:

    As the elderly, Markov should get the C. But i am far from convinced that he wants it. By my reasoning then he should have gotten the C instead of Gio. Not sure either about Plek wanting it so…Not giving it to Price either not that he is not our leader it`s just that he needs to stay in his bubble…

    Max Pac is the perfect example of what is a leader and it has nothing to do with scoring. He will stand for his team, always wants more of himself and always delivers and effort each and every game.

    I have changed my mind about P.K. I would give it to him. He is here for the long run, is dedicated,works hard and is already mister MTL . I am willing to deal with whatever mistakes he does cause he is the only one on the roster and the first one in a while that can win me that game now. He is a game changer and this is a rare breed.

    Perfect scenario would be Markov for the end of his stint and then P.K.

    I will support any candidate as long as he is chosen by his teammates.

    • Coach K says:

      While Max does have a few admirable qualities, I fear he is inconsistent in his effort level on too many nights; particularly on the defensive side of the puck. That is not where the coaching staff will want to set he bar for the rest of the team. I agree that PK is probably the best candidate since he always faces the cameras to answer for his play-whether its good or bad. But most importantly, I’ve never, ever seen him take a shift off and just mail it in, which I’m sure is exactly where the coaches want the bar to be set. Only Gally, Markov and Price can be considered equals in that regard. The rest, meh.

      —When Hell freezes over, I’ll play hockey there too—

  12. John Q Public says:

    O Captain! My Captain!

  13. Lafleurguy says:

    Was Doug Harvey the last Habs defenseman to serve as captain?

  14. Lafleurguy says:

    Pleks, the Turtlenecked Czech was captain of his Olympic team. Chosen over Petr Nedved, annnnnd, Jaromir, the Mullethaired Czech.

  15. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    My underdog pick for captain is Manny Malhotra. If he has a good camp, why can’t he be captain for a year until a younger player steps up? Markov or Pleks should be the next captain but they just don’t seem to want it.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      A highly unorthodox choice, to parachute a buy-low veteran into the captaincy on an interim basis. Much more likely would be to roll with three ‘A’lternates as has been done before.

      I do think, based on what we know, that Manny Malhotra will provide veteranship and steadiness to the team though.

      About the Chargers, yeah, Manti Te’o had a horrible game on Friday, but mostly because the defensive linemen in front of him were being pushed back five yards on every play. Kendell Reyes has regressed so far in the last two seasons, he must have eased off on his PED cycles over the summer.

      We shouldn’t have spent our first-rounder this year on a mighty-mouse cornerback, but rather on a big run-stuffing anchor for the d-line, even if it meant trading down into the second. Trading up to draft Jeremy Attaochu in the second round, after trading up last season to nab another linebacker in Manti, is not looking inspired right now.

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        I think the problem was that Nix’s work ethic was questionable and there was not another run stuffer available. The Chargers needed a corner desperately too. If it wasn’t for his height, Verrett would have been a top ten pick. He can run, tackle and cover. We will see how he will handle bigger receivers. You’re right about Reyes. I don’t know what the heck has happened to him.

    • JUST ME says:

      In that category of short term choices i would choose either Prusty or Weise for the energy and commitment they deliver on that squad.

  16. crane says:

    P.K. for captain

    highest paid player yes
    best defence men yes
    signed forever yes
    loves media and attention yes
    more heart and soul guy on team yes

  17. 100HABS says:

    To me, Plekanec is the only option that makes sense.

    Markov: too shy, too intraverted, though should wear an A for sure.

    Subban: too emotional, speaks too fast without thinking. Maybe in 4-5 years, we’ll see if and when he grows up.

    Prust: marginal player with a style that will lead to injuries and a short carreer. Probly a good leader, but not captain material.

    Gallagher: simply too young, maybe one day.

    MaxPac: seems non-committal, works on himself not others. But this is just what I see from afar, I have no idea how he is in the room and how he’s respected by peers.

    Back to Plekanec: great example, always works hard and gives it his all. Frank and straight with the media, well-spoken. Good leader on the ice and good media personality. Again, though, I do not know his relationship with the rest of the team, and I believe this is absolutely critical in choosing a captain.


  18. Slackman says:

    The following is completely unrelated to hockey.

    I know this is a hockey blog and all but I figured, what with the slow news/no news these days, that I would start posting a record I like every monday evening, a sort of album of the week, with the intentions of directing your ears to something new/different/interesting. I’m a huge music nerd and there’s nothing I love more than sharing the music I enjoy. Leave feedback! Let me know if you guys love it or hate it, and make recommendations of your own!

    Now, Listen to PALLBEARER. Pallbearer is a traditional doom metal band from Arkansas. Their album Sorrow and Extinction is a 5 track opus with some of the heaviest, most crushing riffs I’ve heard this side of Master of Reality. Strap yourselves in for this one, it’s heavier than Virginia Woolf at the bottom the Ouse.

    No Substitutions Please.

    • twilighthours says:

      You said “doom metal” and I said “no thanks.”

      But I appreciate your passion.

      • Slackman says:

        Really? Doom metal is alot more subdued than Thrash, Death, or Black Metal, which are much more cacophonic, agressive and dissonant. Black Sabbath is often classified as the first doom metal band. Doom is characterized by the slow tempo and the monumental riffage.

        But hey to each his own! Thanks for the input!

        No Substitutions Please.

      • Mavid ® says:

        what the hell is doom metal..I am familiar with Masters of Reality..they have a couple of OK songs..the rest is well..interesting

        Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

        • Slackman says:

          From wikipedia:

          “Doom metal is an extreme form of heavy metal music that typically uses slower tempos, low-tuned guitars and a much “thicker” or “heavier” sound than other metal genres”

          I didn’t know there was a band called Masters of Reality! I was referring to the Black Sabbath Album, Master of Reality (

          No Substitutions Please.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      As I’ve said to my rug rats on multiple occasions, “Turn that crap down!” 🙂

      Just kidding. Music, like women and drink is an individual choice. I’m pretty diverse but heavy metal is not a favorite of mine. CHeers.

    • jols says:

      I’m in my early 40’s but as a young kid (teenager) my favorite bands were- Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Ozzy, Black Sabbath, AC/DC etc. I loved it. I still rock out when I hear an old tune on the radio but as the older generation used to say to me and my friends when we where kids this sounds like nothing but noise. But I can see how the younger generation may really enjoy it…

      • Slackman says:

        Pallbearer really captures the early Sabbath sound as far as the riffing goes. Even the vox sound like a mix between Geddy Lee and Ozzy. Thanks for the response!

        No Substitutions Please.

    • frontenac1 says:

      I will pass it along to my son amigo. He is a huge Metal Head. Goes to a lot of Metal shows and festivals.Plays a pretty good guitar too. Saludos!

      • Slackman says:

        Nice!! These guys are touring and they have a new album out tomorrow!!

        No Substitutions Please.

  19. HabinBurlington says:

    My choice for captains in order:
    1. Markov
    2. Max
    3. Prust
    4. Plex

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Are you intentionally ruining P.K., ensuring he’s gone next season, or trying to help him become a better person?

      • HabinBurlington says:

        He has enough crap on his plate being highest paid player in Hab history, let him worry about that, let others deal with the media on a day to day basis.

        • Adidess says:

          I don’t think UCE was being serious there, unless I misread.

          The one I disagree with the most is Prust. I just don’t get having a Captain who will play 10-12 minutes a night and be unremarkable for the most part, unless he fights.

          I’m also not quite sure about Pacioretty. He’s not my idea of a Captain. I believe you need to stand out as a leader to be made Team Captain.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I find Prust was a marginal player this past season and with very little to suggest a huge change this season, Prust’s captaincy becomes an un-motivating force.

      Max Pacioretty has an insular approach to hockey. Doesn’t strike me as captain material. Of course I could be absolutely wrong here.

      “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

    • Cal says:

      PK, PK, PK! 😉

      Remember, a vote for PK now is non-binding. In other words, it gives us something to talk about other than nothing.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Max can’t handle the media criticism on a regular basis. Others I agree.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      You may be right about Markov, Burly but I wonder if he’ll decline again. If the players vote I’d not be surprised if Prust and Plek get a ton of support.

      I’ve said this before but the “C” is probably overrated in today’s locker rooms. The real leader of this team is Carey Price and whoever gets the letter(s) will have his support.

      That being said, PK/Prust would work for me.

  20. habstrinifan says:

    Let’s start by my admission that I would fail the litmus test that measures the level of adulation for admittance into the Andrei Markov for President.

    However the choice of Markov for captain has my 100% percent support. And I think MB and Geoff Molson etc etc should do their level best to convince Markov to accept the title.

    What, allegedly, is the biggest question mark surrounding a Markov’s captaincy. It is, reputedly, his reluctance to have to be a ‘mouthpiece’ for the team after most every game.

    Then that can easily be solved while providing the Canadiens with the opportunity to test their newly minted ‘highest paid player’ for future captaincy honours.(Man I’m good… newly minted ‘highest paid’).

    A Markov captaincy with one of the ‘A’s given to P.K. Subban sets up as empyrean a leadership scenario as that of any other team in the league. P.K would be the ying to Markov’s yang and vice versa. Markov’s captaincy would immediately have added significance in that it would be seen to come with the responsibility of being the mentor and example for young Mr. Subban.

    It would also distract from the narrative of P.K’s huge contract which would definitely be a good thing.

    With Markov as Captain, P.K as assistant then a 2nd ‘A’ can be given to a hardworking veteran, like Prust, or used to elevate a cultural standard like Deshanais.

    I think I have created the perfect leadership triumvirate.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I like what you’ve written (as usual) Trini and it makes a lot of sense. I wonder if you could use that same argument/logic in supporting Pleks as Captain as well. It certainly would thrill Ukrainian Hab, eh?

  21. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Markov, P.K. and Plekanec are the only 3 serious options for Captain.

    Markov for being one of the quiet leaders and most respected in the room and on the ice. Though Markov is a quiet dependable leader on the ice, He just is reticent to verbalize. That can be too much for Him to deal with communicating with referees and the after game scrums. He prefers to be out of the spotlight in those situations.

    P.K. because He has all the same potential on the ice as Markov except with a mountain more ‘fizz’. Bright, well-spoken and an emotional leader. My one reserve from giving the reigns to P.K. so soon after His contract, is ‘the pressure to meet expectations’. Yet, showing people that He revels being in the limelight and under pressure is what P.K. is all about. I’m just not sure if it is not one season too soon to give Him those responsibilities.

    Pleks sort of falls in-between Marky and P.K., accumulating respect for His skill and heady-play, His quiet intelligence. Yet experienced enough, with a soupçon more extroversion to communicate post-game and on the ice than Markov.

    I think it’s tight between Pleks and P.K..

    P.K., is My choice, because of His infectious emotionalism and overall communication skills, for Our Captain !

  22. sixpackhabs says:

    I wanted to take a step back when evaluating the options for next captain and take into account the task at hand. I find an interesting comparison is to cricket, where captains play a critical role and are viewed quite differently.

    In cricket, the captain is the chief tactician, responsible for setting field placements, batting order, selecting and rotating bowlers, etc. all with minimal input (in-game at least) from the coaching staff and management.

    This is in stark contrast to hockey, where the team captain is primarily a figurehead responsible for selling his teammates on management’s system and rallying the troops. It is an emotional role more than a tactical one.

    Given the contrast in the burdens of the position, it is also interesting to note the difference in longevity and influence: captains in cricket rotate rather frequently unless they can provide very consistent success – the results of the team during their stint are tied directly to them. Captains in hockey are selected with great deliberation specifically because it is hoped they become the heart and soul, the tie that binds the team and provides an identity for as long as possible.

    So it seems to me that the emphasis in selecting a captain for a hockey team should be on espousing pride in the sweater and team values, over tactical brilliance (assuming both are not always found in the same package). This does not mean it has to be done by a loud and animated person, but certainly by someone who is willing to shoulder the burden of being the standard bearer in good times and bad to parties internal and external. If there is any shred of doubt in a candidate’s mind that they can play the figurehead role then they are not the right choice.

    If Markov is willing to tackle the outreach to external parties then he is a no brainer choice given the fact that he embodies all other desirable traits for the role. But if he is not entirely sure, then I think it would be better to let a young guy who bleeds bleu blanc et rouge (PK or Gally if I had a vote) take on the role with gusto and learn from the bumps and bruises along the way than to go with a technically sound vet (Pleks) who isn’t a forceful promoter of the CH.

  23. Un Canadien errant says:

    Sean McIndoe on the ‘Dishonour for Connor’ campaign.

    It’s somewhere between a toothless attack and a vicious homage.–Paul Rudd

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Excerpted from above:

      Edmonton Oilers

      Sure, the Oilers have been near the bottom of the league for years. But with excellent young talent like Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle, they have to take a step forward eventually, right?

      (Oops, sorry. Accidentally cut-and-pasted my Oilers summary from 2010. Let’s try again …)

      Sure, the Oilers have been near the bottom of the league for years. But with excellent young talent like Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, they have to take a step forward eventually, right?

      (Crap, that one was from 2011. One more try.)

      Sure, the Oilers have been near the bottom of the league for years. But with excellent young talent like Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Justin Schultz, and Nail Yakupov, they have to take a step forward eventually, right?

      (Nope, that was from 2012. You know what, maybe the Oilers should have been in that first section after all.) \

  24. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Let the team vote for captain.

    Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  25. Un Canadien errant says:

    Interesting article on how the Bruins look at the physical testing that happens at the draft combine, and some background on Milan Lucic.

    And, the draft combine will be held in Buffalo the next couple of years. The NHL’s Brainiac of Hockey Things Colin Campbell declared that it was “heads and toes above everyone else.”.

    It’s somewhere between a toothless attack and a vicious homage.–Paul Rudd

  26. Chris says:

    So Nail Yakupov is changing his jersey number from 64 to 10. He was quoted as saying:

    “I don’t want to say too much about it, it’s not like I think changing the number is going to change my game or something, it’s just a number. There may be a different number on my jersey, but the last name is going to be the same.”

    That comment was greeted with the predictable Canadian hockey fan tripe about Russians playing for the name on their back instead of the crest on the front.

    While the broad stereotype is itself pretty foolish, it is also simply tiring to hear how often fans trot out that line. Going back to Yakupov’s comment, it is absolutely fair: changing his number is not going to change his game, as he is still the same person. The name on the back is the same.

    If you take a guy like Travis Moen and put him in a Blackhawks jersey, he is not suddenly going to become Jonathan Toews. He is still Travis Moen. So Yakupov’s comment is absolutely valid: regardless of the number or crest on his jersey, he will still be the same player with the same skills, strengths and weaknesses as he would be with any other number or crest.

    • savethepuck says:

      Just like people hear what they want to hear, they read what they want to read. A simple sentence, either spoken or written, can be speculated as to meaning several different things that are usually based on the reader’s/listener’s preconceived perception of who is delivering the message. We read on here all the time how player A said this, and you get 10 different interpretations of what people think that player meant by it.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • Cal says:

      Yakupov needs to find chemistry to produce like he can. He needs the opportunities to finish. Max has DD. Yak needs someone like that.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Hadn’t heard this widespread Canadian tripe reaction. I need to get more in touch with my fellow Canadians so I know what “WE” all are bitching about these days.

    • twilighthours says:

      He should go back to Russia with all those other selfish soft Russian defectors. And take their PT-76s with them.

  27. Arnou Ruelle says:

    “Who do you think should be the next captain of the Canadiens?” – This has been a revolving door question for quite some time now and I think we should not even try to answer this.

    We already know (obviously) that the nomination will ‘only’ boil down to two or three candidates. It’s either Andrei Markov, PK Subban, or Tomas Plekanec (if he stays long enough…).

    Need another argument? Nope. Maybe we should stop wasting our time with this question and move on. Maybe lets ask how our Habs are going to play this season to make it to the playoffs. What do you say guys?

    • Habfan17 says:

      I’d like to see if any of the young players will earn a spot and push MB to make a trade!


    • Me4GM says:

      Trade Pleks…he has some value but is on the downside. Sign Saku for 1 year and make him captain. The Bell centre will go nuts !!! He can take Pleks role. still has some offense , as good in the face off circle and cheaper. This will give a year for one of the younger candidates to emerge


      • Adidess says:

        Hehe, your idea is … did you say ‘nuts’?

        So bring back the Captain you traded 4 years ago, when you thought he was finished, to be Captain again now that he is truly finished? And find a new Captain in maybe a few months when he retires or is forced to? Come on, let’s be more serious.

        Edit: Koivo was let go, not traded.

      • Chris says:

        Koivu is done. His offence disappeared last season with Anaheim. In 65 games, he scored 11 goals and 29 points while averaging 15 minutes of ice time, including 1:34 per game on the power play. Koivu still has the occasional hot streak (6 goals and 12 points in 17 mostly December games last year).

        Koivu was my favourite Hab for many years, but his time is now finished. I couldn’t see him wanting to return to Montreal at this point in his career.

        • Habfan17 says:

          If it s allowed, I would sign him to a one game contract so he can retire a Hab, which is how I think it should have been! To Adidess, Koivu was not traded, he was allowed to walk as a UFA.


          • Adidess says:

            Oh yes, of course. Same scenario that ushered in the Gionta-Cammalleri-Gomez era. I know this too well to have written it was a trade (definitely oversight). Thanks for the correction.

          • Habfan17 says:

            @ Adidess We all have brain freeze sometimes…lol


        • Me4GM says:

          Pleks had 43 points in 80 games. Per game , Saku was better. Pleks is good trade bait , but not much longer. He is a declining asset. I don’t understand … I think he is over-
          rated. Ducks loved Koivu and GM said it was the hardest cut of his life. Still something in the tank. At least he will hit people


  28. Loop_Garoo says:

    In the great captaincy debate, I think that PK craving the spotlight is the best reason to give him the C. When he is the highest played player and the captain, he will always have the spotlight and a platform to speak from, which I believe will bring out the best in him, as well as prevent him from feeling he has to do anything to over the top to get back in the spotlight again.

    • Adidess says:

      I have expressed my views on the topic many times. But there is a nuance I want to add in response to your post.

      I believe Markov has earned it, so it should be him. To a lesser extent, I would support giving it to Pleks, in staying with veterans/longest serving Habs.

      But if we’re going to give it to a younger guy, PK makes the most sense. He’s signed long-term, he’s already out there as the face of the franchise (without the C), he represents where the league is going (youngish Captain), and beyond the on-ice effect, it would mean something extraordinary coming from a franchise like the Montreal Canadiens.

  29. Adidess says:

    I shouldn’t be thinking about this, but tomorrow is back to work/reality for me. Which means I won’t be hanging out with the daytime crew for a little while.

    You know – and I’m not saying this just because the evening crowd isn’t around right now and will never get to read this, I’m saying it because it’s true – the daytime crew is the best there is in terms of daytime crews. I’m not even kidding.

    Seriously, it’s been a delight hanging out with you folks more regularly during part of my vacation. I am always so impressed with your knowledge of the game and its history. Of course I’ll still try to catch up on the interesting reading you provide and contribute as much as I can, though mostly at night. I’ll probably need to learn to like those weirdos who post at night again, but that’s probably where I belong too, I guess : )


  30. frontenac1 says:

    Muy Prust! Viva Prust! Saludos!

  31. adamkennelly says:

    Its a little concerning that when looking at the Habs there is no clear choice for the Captaincy.

    Jack Todd suggests that Prust, Subban, Gallagher or Pleky would be good choices – honestly – some of those are idiotic – in fact all of them are.

    Markov should get it – but not an ideal choice.

  32. Paz says:

    I agree with those who see Plekanec’s role diminishing over the last few years of his contract. Eller will take on more and more of the defensive assignments.
    Therefore, I see Pekanec moved eventually, and not re-signed.
    Markov is in the same boat. A 3 yr limit on his captaincy.
    I do not want a captain for 2 years, with the 3rd year as a lame duck.
    That’s what Markov and Plekanec give you.

    I like Max for captain.

  33. CHicoHab says:

    Disagree with having no captain this season. What does that accomplish. To me it signifies we have no one worthy. That’s not the case.

  34. hansolo says:

    About captaincy, I replied to a poster on the previous thread who felt that while Crosby and Toews might have been ready to be captains when they were in their early 20s, that wasn’t necessarily true for Pacioretty or Subban.

    I agree that the one doesn’t follow the other. But I don’t think Crosby is good at calming team-mates down, providing feedback to younger players on what was right or wrong about a particular play, or talking with referees in a reasoned manner. Crosby has been pretty undisciplined the past 2 or 3 seasons in the playoffs which, I admit, is mostly when I have seen him and Toews play. Crosby gets away with a lot when he talks to the refs only because he is a superstar. But it has been easy to get him off his game which, I submit, is not a sign of a good captain.

    Crosby didn’t rebuke Neal for kneeing Marchand in the head (no matter how much we think he might have deserved it), nor Toews either Seabrook or Keith for saying “wakey-wakey” to a concussed David Backes. Those are things a captain must do, precisely to calm his team AND the other down, to defuse a potentially explosive moment in the game. Remember, in that same game, Thornton attacked Orpik after the kneeing incident.

    Another poster replied that Crosby was looked upon to provide the spark a team needed when it was down. I agree he does that quite well, as does Toews. Any star player would be expected do the same. But if that was the criterion that qualified Crosby and Toews for the captaincy, I submit PK is eminently qualified.

    I agree there is no-one around the league I can think of who commands moral respect like Beliveau, Henri Richard, Serge Savard or Kirk Muller did.

    I don’t think AM, because of what I feel is a language barrier, is suited to talking to refs or to young players who aren’t Russian. If we are looking for someone who can do a reasonable all-around job – calming youngsters down, playing with discipline and is taken seriously by refs and opposing teams – Pleks is the best choice.

  35. Eric37 says:

    Truth is, we don’t really have a captain on the team.

    Price would be the best candidate but giving it to a goalie is not the greatest idea.


    • krob1000 says:

      Is that how you view it? I see it differently in the team has the luxury of several guys who are captain worthy. Allof Markov, Subban, Pleks, Pacioretty, Prust could be captains under different circumstances around the league.

    • Adidess says:

      We don’t have a Captain on this team?

      Interesting statement. Who would think Captain Gionta would be so hard to replace? You don’t have a Captain until you name one is what I think. If Gionta is the barometer, any of the remaining veterans would make a decent Captain: Markov and Plekanec to start with.

  36. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Sorry guys, but Galchenyuk’s release needs PLENTY of work.

    It takes 5 seconds to load up, imo that is the one thing holding chucky back big time, I hate to use him as an example but it takes Kessel like 0.1 second to fire the puck which makes him an elite player.

    Because of the way he loads it, it makes it look good, but man he needs to work on that with Bournival (power).

    • krob1000 says:

      Kessel takes snapshots and we are referring to Chcuky’s wrister. Kessel may have the best release in the league pound for pound. Guys like Ovechkin shoot harder but he is 40 lbs heavier…Kessel is incredible. Comparing his snapshot to Chucky’s wrister though is like Comparing Subban’s big clapper wind up to Pleks half clapper…totally diff’t shots.

    • Hobie says:

      It simply takes different amounts of time for different players to put it all together. Maybe in a month Galchneyuk arrives at camp and everyone is amazed at how great he looks. Maybe not. Maybe it’s next year, maybe it’s even longer. Maybe it never happens.

      He’s still got to get used to the speed and strength of all the men that he’s playing against. He’s got to learn to do everything a half second faster than he used to. He has to build more strength.

      Sometimes it just happens like turning on a light switch and other times it’s a longer process.

      As Carey Price once said, everybody needs to just chill. Galchenyuk is only 20-years-old.

      Hobie’s Habs Video :

  37. habs-fan-84 says:

    IMO, there is no need to rush out and name a captain. I would be completely fine if we had no captain for this year, just like in 2010. While Captaincy is still important, I think in this day and age the role of Captain is somewhat diminished and frankly more important to the media than it is to the team.

    Naturally, I believe the best way to decide the captaincy is by a player vote.

    With that said, I do not believe PK is ready. He will have enough pressure to deal with this year. On top of that, I simply believe he has to earn “it” from his teammates. I love PK, but he comes across almost as the class clown. I’m not sure how you go from that to the Captain of the team in a few short months. I think PK needs a year or two to develop into the role of captain. To that end, I think we’ll see a more mature PK this year.

  38. CHicoHab says:

    For those that may see PK as too young to Captain the record shows Koivu became Captain at 24 on Sept.30,1999.

  39. haloracer18 says:

    The reason why a sign and trade in Subban’s case works is because: 1) he doesn’t have a no-trade clause (according to capgeek)
    2) you have 3 young defensemen Pateryn, Tinordi and Beaulieu who need ice time.
    3) there are better defensive defensemen in the league, which means MB paid Subban for concession sales and his offense. But let’s not forget Hedman is getting $4M and was slightly better than Subban last year on offense.
    4) Parenteau isn’t going to replace the scoring of Vanek, Gionta and Briere.
    5) The time is perfect for a Nikitin/Yakupov for Subban deal. Edmonton wants to win now, yak might be passed by their 1st rounder this year. Desharnais might be a throw in, if MT decides Galchenyuk is ready to play center.
    6) Subban is a bit of a joker, although he has had good moments so far, given the personality type (similar to Gomez), big money is going to destroy Subban as a person and player because of his faults as a human being.

    • lach60 says:

      That was some of the most illogical garbage I’ve ever read.

      ” because of his faults as a human being”

      You must know Subban on a personal level to make such a ridiculous claim.

    • mrhabby says:

      makes no sense.

    • UKRAINIANhab says:



      Yakupov for Subban? I will never support the Habs again if they made the deal.

      • haloracer18 says:

        MB isn’t that stupid. He had to make a panic move to get Subban signed or lose him for nothing next year. Why then did he not give a NTC?
        A trade will surprise people, but I won’t be surprised.
        And of course there is a small risk, but Edmonton has made a lot of stupid moves, Subban fits with their team, and Yak is familiar with Galchenyuk who is the future franchise player for the habs. Makes perfect sense to me.

        • Habfan17 says:

          You are right, MB is not that stupid to trade PK for a kid who so far has shown he should not have been a 1st overall pick and a defenceman he does not need. If you had said Justin Shultz, Hall and Edmonton’s first round pick next season, I may have taken you seriously!


        • scamorza says:

          This has been covered enough because of RFA status there could not be a NTC. Anything in life is possible including trading Subban but for what you are suggesting in return? There might be an opening with the Islanders management in that kind of thinking

          come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

    • Habfan17 says:

      What also makes no sense is mentioning that Beaulieu, Tinordi and Pateryn need ice time, then trading Subban for another left defenceman, Nikitin. So now you have Markov, Emelin, Beaulieu, Tinordi and Nikitin on the left side and the right side is Gilbert, Pateryn and Weaver. That would be the worst trade ever! Yakupov has only proven he was drafted too high so far!


      • haloracer18 says:

        Emelin has played the right side with Markov in the past.
        I can’t believe you people are against Yakupov, he has a lot of potential that Edmonton’s fumbling coaches haven’t found a way to tap into. Eakins is a disaster as a coach, MT will whip him up into shape.

        Вы против русского человека играть в монреаль? (to ukrainianhab)

        • Habfan17 says:

          You must have a crystal ball. Remember Bryan Fogarty? He was the next Bobby Orr. How about Alexandre Daigle? You don’t trade a known entity that has won a Norris for a 2nd pair defenceman and an unproven kid. Yes, Emelin played the right side and he stunk there!! Why do you think MB signed Gilbert and Weaver?


    • Hstands4Hockey says:

      I think this lunatic is so sad in his life he’s trying out the George Castanza Opposite theory.

      Rule #76: No Excuses, Play Like a Champion!

    • southaltahab says:

      We have a once in a generation player. He is locked up long term. He seems to love it here. Maybe we should at least give him a chance, ya think?

      • Habfan17 says:

        I don’t mind throwing out ideas for fun! Having said that. I do not want or think PK should be traded. I do think if you want to throw out ideas, they should be made from facts and make some sense.
        Saying the contract will destroy PK is just totally out there. There is absolutely no evidence to show the pressure will hurt him or that he lacks character. I have never read about him getting into fights in bars, arrested for driving under the influence, or anything else!

        Then to suggest a trade for a left handed second pair defenceman and a kid who has shown a lack of character and that he should not have been picked first overall.


        • haloracer18 says:

          I put Subban in the same personality type as Gomez – and Gomez never got arrested or anything, yet we all know how he turned out. The same thing will happen with PK. You don’t want guys like that eating all of the cap space.
          I think anything would be good in return, even a couple of draft picks.

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      Don´t forget he´s black, too.


  40. Chuck Kept Calm and Carey'd On ® says:

    Plekanec will be captain. Book it.

    Hab fans want choice! Sign the petition to give us back our games!

    • krob1000 says:

      I’d be fine iwth that…he is the most captainlike player…his only blemish was a high profile diving incident that was very recent….that fristrates refs…and is part of why I can’t see Gally ever getting it….a captain must have a good relationship with officials. Pleks has a good calm demenaour and plays the game the right way, he has tenure and he is a guy who has earned his stripes…to me it i s a two horse race between he and Markov…but I am not sure Markov would take it.

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      I see this as the most likely scenario (assuming Markov doesn’t want it, which I don’t believe he does).

  41. mrhabby says:

    Ideally..AM should be captain and then when he retires or is traded for a pick PK should be named the new captain. PK represents the new kids on the block..blah , blah ,blah.

  42. Habsolut Monarchy says:

    Krob wrote about chucky having an “incredible release”.
    Does he have a hard wrister ? – For sure. But i think his release is not fast enough yet to be considered elite . Many times it takes him too long to get it off, resulting in blocks by the defender.
    He seems to drag the puck a tad too long on the ice , if that makes sense ? Even pleks , who is not really known for an elite wrister, suprises the D and the goalie more often than not with his quick “halfclapper”.

    • The_Truth says:

      I agree, and don’t see Chucky as having a particularly noteworthy release. Guys like Patches and Cammalerri and Kovalev are good examples of an elite release. Even Ryder, maybe not elite, was very good. Chucky isn’t in that category.

      I think Krob mentioned Chucky as being a better playmaker than DD, and no way we have seen examples of that yet.

      • krob1000 says:

        I mentioned both…Chcuky can shoot….but my main point was that he passes so hard that only Gallagher and Patches have ability IMO (have to see Parenteau) to effectively handle his passes and not lose their release cradling those Chucky bullett passes. Chucky has incredible hands….and a great wirst shot…the other poster is right…he does need to add a snap or Pleks half clapper to the arsenal…but his wrist shot is already one of the best I have seen in years.

        • The_Truth says:

          I’ll pay more attention next season, in what should be a year where Chucky gets a bigger role, but although having a good wrist shot, I never was awed by it, like let’s say with Kovalev, where his wrister was jaw-dropping.

          • krob1000 says:

            That is because it was only the glass behind the net that had to fear Chucky…but make no mistake those pucks were beating goalies and they were humming.

    • krob1000 says:

      I think his biggest problem is everything goes about 6 inches over the net. I would bet in his first two seasons he has shot over the net at a higher percentage than any other Hab. He gets it off in a hurry….shoots hard enough to beat goalies and then woosh…field goal. I think some of those blocks you are referring to are more a result of him trying to shoot through legs. It would be nice to see him add a better snap shot to his arsenal. I think his wrist shot is elite and he can one time wristers and if you think about his go to shootout move it illustrates how quick he can get it off. That longer drag you speak of is what should help make it accurate….I just think the kid gives goalies too much credit….he wants everything to go bar down…when you shoot the puck that hard…make sure it is on net….it will go in sometimes….every year I am amazed at how Pavel Datsyukstill beats NHl goalies from long range with wristers…while NHl goalies are incredible the wrist shot is almost extinct and an effective one is an awesome weapon if used right.

    • twilighthours says:

      He’s got the release, in my opinion. His problem is that he doesn’t get enough space because his food speed isn’t good enough to keep up with the rest of his game. If he can add a half-step of quickness, he’ll get lots more open looks and you’ll see lots more excitement from him.

      That’s the Twilight scouting report.

    • Chris says:

      Galchenyuk really does have an elite wrist-shot. As Rob has pointed out, the problem has been its accuracy, not the power or release speed.

      I watched Galchenyuk a fair bit in the OHL and his wrist shot is an absolute laser beam, one of the hardest I’ve seen in that league and with a very quick release. At the NHL level, he’s trying to be too perfect (the goaltening in the NHL is just light years better than in junior hockey, so it is understandable), so he’s prone to missing high on way too many of his shots. He does get them off (110 shots, 36 missed shots, and only 25 blocked shots) better than most NHL’ers.

      The other thing I would like to see Galchenyuk change is where he shoots from. Like Pacioretty, he has an awful tendency of wasting shots, firing long-range wristers from not too far inside the blue-line. He was able to snipe a few with that shot in the OHL, but you aren’t beating an NHL goalie with that shot. Basically, you are just giving away possession and risking a quick counter-attack if the goalie decides to play it ahead.

      • krob1000 says:

        Those crazy anglesd ones never work from long range….Datsyuk though scores a few every year by cutting across the middle of the rink and shooting high going back against where he is skating to. Goalies today are almost all trained to go down and the ibg goalies and their butterfly havel all but eliminated the low shoot moving the other way(pleks still manages one or two a year thoguh)….the combination of getting them moving and going down leaves upstairs and the wirst shot allows a player to slightly alter the angle of release and buy more opening…Datsyuk is a wizard. If there is some advantage to be had on a rink anywhere…he has it figured out.

        • Chris says:

          Agree with you regarding Datsyuk. I consider myself very fortunate to have seen him play. Very few players in the history of the game had his combination of puck skill, skating ability, vision and defensive play. An all-time great, and a player that kids would do very well to study. You can’t replicate his skill necessarily, but his understanding of the game and work ethic were off the charts.

      • Thomas Le Fan says:

        Missing the net has been a team problem, as I see it. Gionta was probably the worst offender. Sure goaltending in the NHL is very good but missing the net completely makes them look much better than they are. Put it on the net, and make them stop it and control the rebound. Good things may happen.

        Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  43. HardHabits says:

    If we are going to look at the next generation I am for Gallagher as future captain and I will tell you why. He is a true leader. Apart from the fact that he’s actually captained teams in the past, it is on the ice there where there is no doubt that he inspires his players to play above their heads. PK not so much.

    PK is an exceptional talent, don’t get me wrong, he’s approaching elite status at light speed, but captain material I am sceptical about.

    • The_Truth says:

      I agree with you on Gallagher, but not for now. Still young and growing into his role.

      You have to give it To Pleks and Markov, in that order IMO.

      After 3 years, when those guys are gone, Then Gallagher could be a good choice.

      I would give Subban an A, but not a C.

    • habcertain says:

      Can’t be a sh!t disturber and be the captain, also believe Pleks antics preclude him the role, showing up refs is not going to help your cause when dealing with them is part of the role.

  44. Mondou6 says:

    I think the players voting for Captain is the best choice, but then, how do you work the vote? Everyone votes for 1 player out of any? Or do you narrow it down to 2-4 top candidates, then vote for those?

    If the coaches are naming a Captain: I think Markov or Plekanec are the two most obvious and boring/safe choices. Prust or Gallagher, very unlikely. Subban, I doubt it, as someone humorous noted, the coaches don’t even want PK to have a logo on his jersey, let alone a C.

    I think Gallagher or Subban would be pretty cool. It would signal a “change of the guard” in terms of younger players taking over.

    Personally, I’d like to see Subban wear the C, as he seems one of the most passionate about the team and seems to work tirelessly. As a fan, I get fired up watching him, and I think it would be great to have him as a teammate. Crosby is the Captain of the Pens, no way you can tell me that he has a better leadership personality than Subban does.

    I think there’s always some sort “yeah, but” disclaimer that the team puts on PK. “Yeah, he won the Norris, but…” “Yeah, he’s a great player, but…” etc Keeping him from being Captain just seems like another example of that.

    Put another way, considering the amount of money they committed to PK, shouldn’t the team have more trust in their investment?

    • Forum Dog says:

      When it comes to player votes, I can see both sides. Ultimately, I doubt that management’s choice would be far off the player choice though. At the end of the day, you want a guy who:

      – is a key part of your team;
      – leads on the ice with his play, and off the ice with his professionalism;
      – thinks the game like a coach;
      – brings the players together and creates an inclusive and encouraging atmosphere;
      – can be a spokesman for the team at public events and in the media

      Regardless of whether or not they were playing below their contracts, Gionta and Gorges had most of these characteristics. Letting them go made sense cap-wise, and in terms of the team transitioning to its youth, but the loss in leadership will be felt.

      To me, even a player vote would likely result in Markov being named captain. He is the elder statesman, has a strong hockey resume (both in the NHL and internationally), plays hard and generally clean (some unnecessary embellishment maybe), works with his coaches and team-mates, etc. Where he is a bit below what you’d want is in the community/media engagement. As for how he would bring people together, only the players know that.

      So for me its either Markov, or a big crap-shoot. Or they go with no captain for a while and let things sort themselves out. It wouldn’t be the first time that has happened.

  45. twilighthours says:

    This Captain talk will no doubt get tiresome. And I mostly don’t care at all, but please not Prust. He’s just not good enough a player.

  46. on2ndthought says:

    If Markov wants it, he should get it. He is our most staesmanlike player. If not, PK is the heart and soul.

    As far as the draft, I’d like to go back to the days of regional control for NHL teams. It would encourage teams to develop players locally. Europe, NA would be carved up so players from say Upsalla would belong to Carolina, Cole Harbor to Anaheim etc…. Each team gets a home pick and an ‘overseas’ pick. The other picks would be open in the regular draft order. Imagine the fan base rivalry if this was applied.

    “a cannonading drive”

    • Paz says:

      Having spent some time near Boston I can tell you almost every young player dreams of playing for Boston College ad then the Bruins.

      • on2ndthought says:

        exactly. not all would, but if the best each year could be protected, imagine. Also, say the best Bohemians played for the Ducks and the best Moravians for the Kings and the best Slovaks for the Sharks. What rivalries, and natural markets for merchandise. Also, it would behoove NHL teams to fund hockey development in these areas.

        “a cannonading drive”

  47. Habfan17 says:

    For those who think replacing Gionta’s offence will be hard.

    I actually don’t think replacing Gio’s 15 goals will be hard. He was too slow in the end and held up his line. I was tired of seeing him continuously being caught from behind.

    Parenteau will not replace Vanek’s 30 goals, but he should get 20 if he plays with DD and Patches. DD scored 16 last season and should at least get 20 if he does not have a big slump again and he continues to get PP time. I believe that Sekac, if he makes the second line, should hit 15 goals. He will add speed that should also help Pleks. I expect Pleks to score at about the same rate, 20 goals.
    If Sekac makes the second line, Galchenyuk should end up on the left side on the 3rd line. Even if that is what happens, I see him upping his 13 goals to 20. Both Eller and Bourque struggled last season, but found chemistry together in the playoffs. As the 3rd line centre, I would think Eller should go from 12 goals to at least 18 and Bourque should go from 9 to 15. I don’t expect Prust or Weise to score more than they did last season. Malhotra should be able to get 7 goals again and Patches should hit 40 if DD does not slump and Patches stays healthy. Gallagher should also be able to increase from 19 to 25.

    Part of why I feel this way is the that the Defence will be much better at moving the puck up. Gilbert is better than Gorges, Markov should be better with a bit less ice time. Emelin too should bounce back playing on his natural side. Beaulieu is much better offensively than Murray or Boullion. Then there is PK who had a bit of an off year last season. I expect him to bounce back strong! The rest is natural progression and bounce back years from the forwards mentioned above.


    • B says:

      Gionta scored 18 goals, 4th on the team behind Gallagher (19), Plekanec (20) and Pacioretty (39). His 16 ES goals were second on the team behind Pacioretty’s 28.

      –Go Habs Go!–

  48. HardHabits says:

    I am totally on Chris’ side for this debate. Moreso, I think Subban would be a bad choice for the next Habs captain.

    • Cal says:

      Explain yourself, sir. You just can’t throw more fuel on the fire like that. HIO needs HH’s cold reasoning to explain why the leader that PK is is not quite good enough to be captain material.

  49. DipsyDoodler says:

    I want to address an issue from yesterday. It concerns a Chara vs Robinson fight. Some of you thought Chara would win.

    You might not have noticed this, but Zdeno Chara is a coward.

    Yes, he’s big, and very strong.

    But, deep down, he is, like all bullies, a coward.



    • krob1000 says:

      While bullies are often cowards…..they do beat up a whole ot of people.

      • DipsyDoodler says:

        Of course, but Larry never lost a fight.



      • HardHabits says:

        Wrong on that count. I saw the fight on TV live. Dryden talks about it in his book. It deflated Robinson loads. He stopped being the policeman after that.

        In pure terms of fighting ability when they were at there best it would certainly be a clash of titans. I think Chara would have the edge because he, as a modern athlete, at his peak was in better shape than Robinson ever was, and Chara has top-notch wrestling skills.

        EDIT: But I have to add that Larry Robinson was arguably my favourite Habs defence man if not player (OK one of the top 3 fave Habs ever) and was my hope for captain after Savard retired.

      • Thomas Le Fan says:

        Popular misconception. However, bullies must be stood up to. They may beat the friggin’ crap out of you but if you get a few in, they’ll pick on somebody else next time. I never won a fight in my life but I never had to fight the same guy twice. 😀

        Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

    • Cal says:

      Chara is a 6’8″ black belt in judo. He’s cowardly because he bullies smaller players. Then, every player is smaller, pretty much, right?

    • The_Truth says:

      I love Larry, but Chara would kill him, no contest.

  50. Gardenhose says:

    If the goal is to get Galchenyuk to center and to get bigger, getting rid of DD has always been the quickest and easiest thought.

    Question: Does anyone believe patches would truly struggle without him?

    Question 2: And if the trade is made to get rid of DD, does Therrien even have the guts to throw Patches and Galchenyuk out for 22 minutes a night?

    • Paz says:

      Why not have both?

      Galchenyuk to center, Desharnais and Max as the wingers.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      We need four lines.



    • on2ndthought says:

      Max is used to the fine feeds from DD. He would not suffer if DD is replaced by a young Adam Oates, a Crosby, a Thornton. Galchenyuk is supposed to blossom into a play maker, but isn’t at DD’s level yet.

      “a cannonading drive”

    • The_Truth says:

      After what DD and Max did together the past 3 years and as well in Hamilton I wouldn’t break them up. They have a special bond and you can’t argue with the results. It actually hurts DD a little as I believe he would be a better goalscorer if he wasn’t with Patches.

      He looks for him a little too much.

      I don’t believe Patches does nearly as well, with any other center on the team. DD basically gift wrapped at least 10 of his goals last year.

  51. HabFab says:

    BGL has taken a lot of heat from Hab fans but he delivers big here;

  52. Chris says:

    I keep seeing is stated that Subban is the obvious leader on the team. It’s strange, because I simply do not see it.

    Subban is not the guy running over to calm teammates down. he’s not the guy that chats with the officials during stoppages to get feedback on a particular call. He’s not the guy talking to younger players on the bench explaining what they should be doing. He’s not stepping in to defend his smaller teammates. He does not personify the system and message of his coaching staff.

    Subban is the most important player on the team. He is the shooter on the power play, he is the team’s offensive engine and he is clearly the most fiery personality on the ice. He is clearly the most exciting player from a fan experience point of view.

    People too often convolve “star player” with “leadership”. You can be an outstanding hockey player while not quite having the leadership gravitas to demand respect from your teammates and peers.

    The Chicago Blackhawks are not in any hurry to put a letter on the jersey of Patrick Kane, who is without question their best offensive player and often the guy they look to when they desperately need a goal. Kane’s jersey is probably the most popular with the fans (he outsells Toews at, for example). That doesn’t diminish Kane in any way, but simply recognizes that the current leadership group (Toews, Keith and Sharp) brings something different. Nor is Kane an heir apparent: Seabrook is almost certainly next in line for an ‘A”, and I wouldn’t be suprised to see Hossa get one too should one come open.

    Similarly, I don’t get the impression that Bergevin or Therrien feel an intense rush to get a letter on Subban’s jersey. They have some obvious short-term candidates to work with, which gives Subban a bit more time to earn a greater level of respect from his teammates and peers. Subban’s time may or may not come…but I will be well and truly shocked if it comes this fall.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      “Similarly, I don’t get the impression that Bergevin or Therrien feel an intense rush to get a letter on Subban’s jersey. ”

      I suspect they don’t particularly want the C-H on his jersey.



      • Chris says:

        Sometimes I wonder that myself. I was waiting for somebody to hit me with that one. 😉

      • Adidess says:

        Hehehe. Let’s be honest. If MB and MT wanted PK out (like really, literally), they would have tried a bit harder not to have him sign at a humongous $72M over 8 years : )

      • Cal says:

        Sign the guy to the biggest contract in Hab history, yet we “suspect” the management team doesn’t really want him. HOGbleepingWASH!
        There, that’s better. Had to get all that bad air out.

        • on2ndthought says:

          I see PK as very focussed yet animated on the bench and on the ice, but that just means he is like most NHLers. He is perhaps more polarizing than most who wear a C. So what? He learned from Gio, who was quite pugnacious on the ice. The biggest talker on the bench is probably Gallagher, who also leads by example. If those are the two candidates, my vote is still for PK.

          “a cannonading drive”

    • CJ says:

      Sorry Chris, but have you been to a game live in the past two years? PK is constantly in conversation with players on his team and the refs. Objectively, he can also get baited into conversations with the opposing players, albeit no more than Pleks.

      Sorry Chris, I almost always agree with you, but I just don’t see it the same way you do. PK is the last guy on the ice following warm ups. He works with other’s on one timers and is engaged in passing and shooting. On the bench, he’s constantly engaged. Again, this is Price’s team, but PK is a significant part of the leadership core.

      • Chris says:

        PK is constantly in conversation with the referees, but it is usually about what he feels are transgressions against him that aren’t called or penalties that were called against him.

        Like I said, I just don’t see what the rest of you do in terms of Subban’s leadership. Star player? Sure. Most exciting player? Absolutely. Most popular player? Along with Price, I concede that.

        But I’ve watched Subban since he was a 17 year old in junior. Nothing in his persona has ever screamed “team leader” for me. Maybe I’m just completely off base on this one, but he’s way, way down on the leadership list for me.

        And the mini temper tantrum when he didn’t get the pass that he pulled in the playoffs just turned me off that idea completely. You just don’t do that at the professional level, and you certainly don’t show up your team captain and a respected veteran like Brian Gionta. I don’t care how passionate you are about the game…I wouldn’t tolerate that kind of crap from 12 year olds, let alone a 25 year old professional and star player.

        • CJ says:

          Not many were as outspoken against the idea of signing PK to a $9 million dollar deal than I. That said, I simply must course correct. Now that we’ve placed all our chips on the table, it’s time to go all in. I simply can’t accept the fact that the organization is willing to pay him both term and dollar value, but not prepared to hand him the Captaincy, if placed to a vote. Is that not dissimilar to buying a kid a car, but saying he’s not mature enough to drive it?

          Maybe it’s process of elimination. I don’t see Markov as Captain. So, if I’ve excluded the General, who’s left? Prust, Pleks, DD, Max, PK. Of this group, I’d choose PK. Maybe he breaks the mould of what many traditionalists consider a Captain to be, but he’s been setting new standards his entire career.

          Just my two cents….

        • twilighthours says:

          Are we talking about the time when he jumped up and down for the pass and then ripped a shot bar down?

          Seems like he should have gotten the puck sooner, if anything.

          • Cal says:

            He’s referring to one of the numerous times when “no shot” Gionta decided to plant one in the goalie’s chest instead of passing to PK – hardest shot on the team- Subban.
            If PK is going to be disregarded by Gionta- well, see ya Gionta!
            It’s like Gorges never having anything good to say about PK. See ya Gorges!

          • Chris says:

            No…there was no goal on the play I’m thinking of. I remember it because Yeats commented at the time that he would be tempted to club any teammate that pulled that on him in a beer league, let alone in professional hockey. It was very off-putting.

          • twilighthours says:

            I don’t recall it. But in general PK should be the one getting the puck in the offensive zone. He’s one of the few Habs who can actually put it in the net. See the last goal here:


    • krob1000 says:

      I think given his contract putting a C on him could put him into Pahneuf territory…”he’s a good player if he made less and wasn;t the captain,etc,etc” Dion Pahnuef is a really good NHl dman and Phil Kessel is a great goalscorer…but their contracts are cirticism magnets. I am well documented on here as thinking Subban whould ot have been signed to a contract like than and I hope it works out….but the guy every Hab fan loved now just put a target on his back…he may not care because he is loaded….but that contract will be the focal point every time the teams cap situation is mentioned, every time the team underperforms, when Subban does something that gets blwon out of proprotion as it already does just because it is Subban …it will be worse. I think it would be an awful move giving him the C right now….jsut asking for trouble. HE can be the emotional leader on the ice like he was in the playoffs….without a letter……with a letter? he will get eaten alive.

      Let him grow his game, let him grow into a possible leadership role once the other vets are no longer there…but for now…let the guy play hockey and do what he needs to make his contract a non issue as that is a daunting enough task in its own right.

      • CJ says:

        PK has been in the spotlight his entire career. In fact, I’d go so far as saying he craves it. Maybe Dion can’t handle the added responsibility, but I wouldn’t use this as a basis for comparison.

        • krob1000 says:

          Dion is handling everything fine….the expectations aren’t fair….nor will they be for PK. I for one think he messed up huge taking that contract…..if he had taken 7.5 million noone questions anything….at 9? anything less than being a Norris Trophy and cup Winner will be view as a disappointment. His teammates will watch other friends get raded out of town because thye don;t have an extra million or two. The media will be relentless, his output will never be measured as normal output again….it will be output vs value…and in order to shoot par on that front he has to basically be a NOrris candidate every year for the next 8 years…..that is a lot of pressure and I must say…that when he “was under the negative spotlight”…being critiqued and judged for Teaqm Canada …he did not thrive. He thrived once hockey became important and he could play on pure emotion…….burdening him with more expectations than he just saddled himself with is not the right call IMO.

          I know my expectations have changed re PK. At that cost to the teams ability to improve he had better deliver in a big way. He cannot have a season like last yar….that is nota 9 million dollar season…he needs several seasons like his Norris trophy year…which was not a full year. Can he do it? Absolutely….he ahs the talent…but it is going to take everything he has and it is also going to take his teammates all playing well and being an asset to him as well in him reaching his goals…it is this part taht worries me….by taking that much money he has basically saddled the team IMO (nad his ability to achieve) with a 1.5 million a year buyout on the books (diiff between what he could have taken and what he got) and that means he has to achieve that much more.

          • CJ says:

            Again, please note that I was leading the movement for contract suppression. That said, the deal is done. Yes, $9 million is a lot of money, however in 2-3 years, others will be making more. By the end of the term, the deal will seem modest in comparison to what others are making. The barrier upon which salaries border, is being pushed daily. If the alleged pressure is only a product of salary, I’d suggest that the concern is unfounded.

        • Cal says:

          Dion won’t put himself in the line of fire, nor fight for space in front of his goalie with anyone his size. I guess no one on the Laffs staff watches video because Dion was a huge reason the Bruins came back in that game 7 in 2013.
          What do the Laffs do? They reward him with a $49 mill contract that basically raised the pay of every schmo Dman in the league.

  53. Rad says:

    I am pretty sure Markov will be the next captain. He gets the C by process of elimination, simply because there is no other suitable candidate at the moment. Gallager is too young. Prust is too marginal. Pacioretty is not a leader. Pleks is too quiet and uninspirational, both in his demeanour and his play. Subban is the real leader of the team already but he may be too flamboyant for the conservative Habs brass to anoint as captain this early in his career. It is also possible that no captain will be appointed this year, in which case 3 Alternates will rotate, probably Markov, Pleks, and Subban. Prust might be given an “A” but never the “C.”

  54. Max_a_million says:

    Go with some natural historic chemistry.
    Pleks with Sekac – Czeching line
    Pacioretty with Desharnais
    Bourque with Eller

    Guys that can change with chemistry-
    I try Galchenyuk with DD and Max, time for him to be on the big line.
    Gallagher with Pleks and Sekac – he could work on any line.
    Parenteau with Bourque and Eller. This kind of line with size and physicality worked well in the playoffs.

    Anyone slips I throw in Bournival in their place. In a pinch Prust and Weise have moved up.

  55. Gardenhose says:

    If you guys could build a #1 line out of the players already signed to MTL, forgetting about the DD and Patches connection, how would you build it?

    • krob1000 says:

      Gachenyuk-Eller-Pacioretty on off wing.
      Galchenyuk is a dual threat and is probably the only player on teh team (forward…so excluding Markov) who is a better pure playmaker than DD, but he also has an incredible release himself and great hands in tight. Eller is the stability, the two way gu who has the intelligence and abiltiy to hold things together for a line in Pleks like fashion but hi ssize combined with the skill of the other two aslo being big bodied would make them feared league wide. Eller is the defensive conscience that allows them to match up against other teams top lines and Patches is the sniper with two playmakers. I think the size,speed and cerebral game of a trio like this would vault them into elite status fairly quickly. Pacioretty seems to score mostly fromt he right side of the ice anyway where he opens for one timers. He hhas also worked on utilizing his speed in PK and backchecking situations the last year or so. Gaclehnyuk is an incredible passer but IMO there are only two players on the team who are capable of converting his passes and they are Gally and Patches.

    • CJ says:

      How would I build it, draft and develop. PAC, Chucky and Scherbak were all drafted within the organization. These players could combine to form our top line in the foreseeable future.

      If the question is asking for the current most talented players then I’d say PAC, Chucky and (I’ve struggled for a few minutes trying to figure out the third member of this unit)…..Eller.

      Lastly, a number one unit is all about chemistry and not necessarily the combination of the three best players, at the top of their game. This is a critical component. DD and Max seem to have something going. It’s why I favour pairs as opposed to trios.

  56. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Anyone else in the Plek camp?

    The headline tricked me, I was about to write why Plekanec would have been a better choice, but now I will write why he would be a better choice in one sentence.

    Markov is afraid of the media.

    Subban or Plekanec I will be just fine with, Prust? What? 4th liner.

    • Cal says:

      Pleks is a good choice. PK is a better one. 😉

    • Lafrich says:

      Yep. Pleks should be C. Unless we trade him. Then, no idea.

    • CJ says:

      If Pleks is on the team in the next 1-3 years, he will be relegated to a third line role. We started to see the transition during this year’s postseason. Again, I don’t dislike the player, but at his age, he’s not getting better. His role will be altered and his responsibilities will become predominately defensive in nature.

      There is a lot of talk internally and in the local media about Spezza receiving the Captaincy in Ottawa. Originally, it was thought that Phillips would be a good transition to Karlsson. It was a management decision, and not left to the players to decide. Otherwise, the choice would have been Karlsson or Methot. Why bother with the transition? I refute the notion that we hand a Captaincy to Markov or Pleks for 3 years until “PK is ready.” Given his experience, internationally and in the largest fishbowl, if he’s not ready now, than he never will be.

  57. CHicoHab says:

    Captain should have emotion and intensity on the ice. In the dressing room anyone can have that. Be it the players or coaches. We need the Captain in my opinion someone vocal lead the team during the playing of the game. So as far as emotion and intensity during the game my Captain would be either PK, Prust, Gallagher, or Max. As for Plekanec and Markov they are intense but very little emotion. IMO

    • veryhabby says:

      Chicohab…I get what you are saying. But not all captains show emotion and intensity on the ice. and I think we need to separate what FANS WANT, and what PLAYERS WANT in a captain.

      I think players want to see a captain that has their back both on and off the ice (with management if need). They want someone who puts forth effort all the time. their game may not be intense, but they have work ethics. The players want a guy that they have respect for. Respect that was earned along the way.

      Many players may be turned off by the emotional, intense guys. I do think players want more of a vet guy to be the captain then a kid. (goes back to the respect thing, as nuts as it seems to be this whole “respect” thing in pro sports, it’s a fact. I don’t see some players respecting a guy like Gallagher as a captain at this point in his career).

      I think Markov, Pleks are the 2 frontrunners

      Prust is injured too often lol

      PK is the fan choice no doubt

      Gallagher way too young

      Patches, out of box consideration, but wouldn’t be too bad

    • Cal says:

      The best captain the Habs ever had was Jean Beliveau. He was not “emotional” on the ice. However, he was pretty much the most intense. The team he came to in ’53 was set to become a juggernaut, winning 5 Cups in a row. He was not the captain until 1961 and remained so until he retired after the surprising ’71 Cup win.

  58. Chris says:

    Maurice Richard was a superstar when he was passed over for the captaincy in favour of Butch Bouchard, an outstanding player who was nonetheless overshadowed by his more illustrious teammates. But Bouchard was undeniably a team leader.

    Jean Beliveau had to wait for his turn at the captaincy as both Richard and then Doug Harvey took their own turns. As with Richard, Beliveau was clearly established as a league superstar, and his leadership ability was surpassed by few in the history of the game.

    If players like Rocket Richard and Jean Beliveau, cultural icons and superstar players, can be made to wait until age 34 or age 30 to become the team’s captain, it won’t hurt Subban to wait a few years for that honour, should it ever be given to him.

    There are other guys on the team that are more respected around the league, in the Montreal Canadiens dressing room, by league officials and also by the team’s senior leadership than Subban. This isn’t a slight on P.K., but more a testament to the reputation of a player like Markov or Plekanec.

    Let the players vote. If Subban wins, fair enough. But if a guy like Prust or Markov or Plekanec is chosen instead, so be it. Those guys have all earned their respect.

    • John Q Public says:

      “Let the players vote.”
      In the end that’s the way it should be. They know better than we do.

    • Adidess says:

      Brandon Prust for Captain? I don’t know.

      When I think of the Montreal Canadiens, Prust doesn’t really come to mind until I stop to think who else I am forgetting. Prust is essentially a marginal player on this team at the moment, though everyone loves his passion and his brave heart.

      To me a Captain is a top-of-mind, go-to player on a team, like Markov would be. I also think you don’t give the captaincy to somebody to necessarily elevate them to the role, you give it to them because that’s the level they have reached in their career. That’s the reason I’m not in favor of Subban being made Captain this time around.

    • CJ says:

      I’m in favor of allowing the players to vote. Further, I’d accept their choice, without reservation or critique. After all, they see the whole picture, not the reserved viewing that I’m afforded as a fan.

      Hockey is generational. It’s so difficult to draw a comparison to what the organization did 50-70 years ago. I’m not sure we can draw a parallel to Beliveau or Richard on the subject of Captaincy. Times have changed. Sports is now a young man’s game, driven by drafting 18 year old players who are ready to compete against men. The subject of team Captaincy has also changed considerably. The days of Bill Muckalt or Randy Cunyworth (excuse my spelling) wearing the ‘C’ are over. It’s branding, it’s merchandising and it’s marketing. Think of all the fans who will trade in their PK jersey, for an updated version with a C. Sorry, I’ve been to a ton of games, and it’s seldom that I even see a Pleks jersey. So much as the old timers might not like it, PK is part of the new NHL. Either we embrace this change or we run the risk of being caught in the past.

      Just my two cents….

  59. Adidess says:

    Now that we are on the subject of Captain, I have a few comments on the loss of Gionta as roster player and Captain.

    Perhaps somebody can help me understand why and how we’re going to miss Gionta. I have heard several people mention it, but I for one was praying that MB had the good sense of not offering Brian a contract, for fear of the Captain wanting to stay. I am happy with what transpired in that sense.

    I don’t want to brag (oh wait), but when MB decided to cut ties with Gionta this off-season and to trade Gorges for a second-round pick, I felt the GM was seeing about what I was seeing during the season, with these two guys pulling in less weight than their contract or their stature within the team required.

    Let’s focus on Gionta, the fact is he had become a relatively ordinary player on this team, with 15, 26, and 40 pts respectively over the last three seasons. He was even less effective during the playoffs with 1 goal and 6 assists in 17 playoff games this year, and 1 assist in 2 playoff games the year before against the Sens (all with significant ice time).

    1) Will we miss his offensive output? It’s not like we were going to get back the Gionta from 09-10 and 10-11 who scored 28 and 29 goals respectively. That Gionta (pre-biceps injury) was awesome. He did score 18 this past season, but how good is that at $5M? We also can’t disregard his diminishing playoff production and that he’s turning 36 in January.

    2) Will we miss his shut-down ability on the Pleks line? I’ll admit Gionta still has great defensive smarts and was a perfect complement to Plekanec defensively. But let’s face it, the defensive staple on that checking line is Pleks. He has done it with dreamy Kotsytsyn playing next to him, so as long as he’s there the checking line will be able to shut people down, even if they might need some adjustments early on. I also think Gionta’s offensive decline has negatively affected Plekanec goal and assist production over the last two seasons.

    3) Will we miss his leadership as Captain? Again, I don’t want to be too dismissive, but Gionta never stood out as the ultimate leader on this team. He took his job seriously and did it well, by all accounts. But we also know he wasn’t an Alfredsson-type Captain for the Canadiens: on-ice leader, offensive catalyst, clutch goal-scorer, playoff performer, team icon. Alfredsson had his faults of course, but he was every one of these things for Ottawa (people seem to be making a parallel with the trials of the Senators after Alfredsson left for Detroit).

    Gionta played hard every night, and was really good particularly in the first two years of his contract, and for that he deserves our thanks. But it was time to move on. Markov can easily replace him (especially that he wasn’t very rah-rah in the dressing room).

    As for Gorges, I expect the Habs to miss him even less, quite honestly. He was a fearless shot-blocker who sacrificed his body every night, but he’s also a D-man who couldn’t move the puck even with time to think, his defensive read and reflexes often proved sub-par as well in my view.

    MB made some tough calls this off-season, but every one of his decisions made sense to me (I’m prepared to be a little less complimentary if he re-signs Bouillon).

    • Cal says:

      Gionta during the 2nd and 3rd round of the playoffs last season was where good scoring chances went to die via a weak shot to the goaltender’s chest.
      I won’t miss him at all.
      I miss the Gionta who signed in 2009, before he lost it.
      Seeing as literally everyone blocks shots these days, Gorges will not be missed.

    • Adidess says:

      I didn’t mention the Subban arbitration, which of course I didn’t like. But I think the arbitration move ended up being just a tactic on the way to the decision, not a decision in itself. The actual decision is the signing of the 8-year contract, which I think the vast majority of us are happy with.

      • on2ndthought says:

        I think you nailed it with the biceps statement. The question is, will he ever fully recover from those surgeries? My crystal ball says no and MB made the right decision. But if that hand eye coordination comes back, it will be hard to watch him as a Sabre. Either way, he gave his all, and was underrated here, as most defensively responsible forwards are.

        “a cannonading drive”

    • veryhabby says:

      I haven’t heard as many ppl talk about missing Gio as they were talking about us missing Gorges.

      With Gio, it’s a vet depth player who is a leader. That’s what he offers the team. If he had come back for 1 yr at $2.5M I would have been ok as I don’t see anyone covering his 15 goals he would provide. Sure we got PA, but he better cover a lot more then 15 goals for us lol! I don’t expect him to cover Vaneks 30 goals, but he covers the pain of losing a 30 +goal guy a tad by being another 20+ goal guy for the team.

      Right now, no one replaces Gio. So that “role” for next year will be missed. Sekac or another kid may step into the roster opening, but I don’t expect them to actually replace what Gio brought.

      Again, I think most fans don’t think we are going to REALLY miss what Gio brought. But there is 15 goals gone, leadership gone. I would have been ok with him for 1 more year. But he wanted 2-3 yrs at a few more millions then he should be getting. That no one misses!

      • Habfan17 says:

        I actually don’t think replacing Gio’s 15 goals will be hard. He was too slow in the end and held up his line. I was tired of seeing him continuously being caught from behind.

        Parenteau will not replace Vanek’s 30 goals, but he should get 20 if he plays with DD and Patches. DD scored 16 last season and should at least get 20 if he does not have a big slump again and he continues to get PP time. I believe that Sekac, if he makes the second line, should hit 15 goals. He will add speed that should also help Pleks. I expect Pleks to score at about the same rate, 20 goals.
        If Sekac makes the second line, Galchenyuk should end up on the left side on the 3rd line. Even if that is what happens, I see him upping his 13 goals to 20. Both Eller and Bourque struggled last season, but found chemistry together in the playoffs. As the 3rd line centre, I would think Eller should go from 12 goals to at least 18 and Bourque should go from 9 to 15. I don’t expect Prust or Weise to score more than they did last season. Malhotra should be able to get 7 goals again and Patches should hit 40 if DD does not slump and Patches stays healthy. Gallagher should also be able to increase from 19 to 25.

        Part of why I feel this way is the that the Defence will be much better at moving the puck up. Gilbert is better than Gorges, Markov should be better with a bit less ice time. Emelin too should bounce back playing on his natural side. Beaulieu is much better offensively than Murray or Boullion. Then there is PK who had a bit of an off year last season. I expect him to bounce back strong!


    • veryhabby says:

      Gorges…again, he is a solid dman and one of the best shot blockers. We do not get any more physical with Weaver and gilbert here instead of him. The question is, is our D core better with Weaver/Gilbert or Gorges? I’m not 100% sold it is. I will wait to see how good they end up being moving the puck, and how good they are in PKs.

      If there is one that habs will miss more then the other ..I think it may be Gorges more then Gio. But at end of the day…..we are ok with both of them gone. Miss them, ya maybe a little for a year….but it’s not the end of the world not having either of these guys on our team. We may miss them a tad, but be fine without them too.

      • CJ says:

        When assessing the D, we need to consider two critical points not raised in your response;

        Firstly, we will now have guys playing their correct (natural) side. This should particularly help Emelin. Secondly, the move to integrate Beaulieu and Tinordi should make this a better group going forward. Weaver, I believe, will end up being our number 7.

  60. Say Ash says:

    Captain Carey Price!

  61. haloracer18 says:

    I would give the ‘c’ to Price and trade Subban for a defensive defenseman and a scorer. Beaulieu can handle the pp as a specialist. It will also free up cap space to add another top talent at the trade deadline if needed.

    • New says:

      I think you’ll find there is a rule against goalies being captains or alternates.

    • Cal says:

      Just signed him for 8 years and you’d trade him?
      Wow. Just…wow.

    • Lafrich says:

      “and trade Subban for a defensive defenseman and a scorer”.

      For the record, I am a HUGE SUbban fan for the following reason. I believe that Subban is WAY bigger than just his talent on the ice, which is quite formidable I might add, and therefore do not think I would trade him 1-1 with anyone in the NHL, including Crosby. However, to be fair, please enlighten us. With whom would you be happy in return?

  62. Trollhunter says:

    for the love of God don’t give it to Subban

  63. Chris says:

    Continuing a discussion with Cal on the previous thread:

    Get rid of the draft and you shrink the league. How many players would choose Winnipeg, Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto and even Montreal?

    If I had the choice of being gainfully employed in warmer climes where snow is just a thought and not a reality, I’d be there. Carolina, Florida, Tampa, Dallas, Arizona and all 3 California teams would be the choice of most. You can play hockey and live anonymously.

    The draft won’t change anytime soon, but it’s better than being signed to a contract at 12 like Orr, right?

    Every team in the NHL operates under a hard salary cap.

    Every team in the NHL operates in a system where they can carry at most 50 professional contracts combined at all levels (NHL, AHL, ECHL, etc.).

    The NHL has instituted a rule that no team can sign a player below the age of 18 as of September 15 of that year. So there is no threat of going back to the “Bobby Orr signed by 12 years old” days.

    And star players want long-term (5-8 years) deals, so that makes it hard for a team that has commit itself to signing 3 or 4 big stars in one year from being players for 5-8 years after that.

    It isn’t like the old days where a rich team like the Montreal Canadiens could own the rights to NHL calibre players toiling in lower level leagues. 23 players are required for the NHL roster, you probably have another 15-20 on your AHL team, maybe a couple in the ECHL, and the remainder are guys in junior. It really doesn’t leave much room…3-5 players that you can afford to have signed to play in the junior leagues.

    Players are not going to forsake Edmonton or Winnipeg or Montreal. The aforementioned Justin Schultz has already demonstrated this, and Hayes could very well do the same, signing for a team like Calgary or Edmonton.

    There is zero evidence that the league would shrink without the NHL draft. There will always be guys who want to play in the NHL, and the hard salary cap prohibits the rich teams from signing all the stars. There are not all that many altruistic hockey players in the NHL who are willing to give up millions of dollars per season to “stack” a team.

    The draft was a mechanism that was created in an era where there was huge disparity in the financial resources of the various clubs.

    Guaranteed contracts, a hard salary cap, minimum age requirements and maximum contract limits for each franchise have rendered the entry draft and restricted free agency completely unnecessary.

    • Cal says:

      I disagree with you on this because most cities would become a “worst case scenario”. Legally speaking, the draft is completely archaic. Reality speaking, it’s awful tough to attract free agents to Montreal already. Giving every player a choice as to where to go would mean Montreal loses out. Again.
      “The draft was a mechanism that was created in an era where there was huge disparity in the financial resources of the various clubs.”
      The disparity is still huge. Otherwise, Canadian clubs would not account for 35-40% of league revenues when there are 7 teams compared to 23.

    • B says:

      Bobby Orr (born in 1948) signed his first contract in 1962. The first NHL entry draft was in 1963. Montreal had 1st choice in that 1963 draft selecting Garry Monahan who only played 14 games with Montreal and failed to register a point. The inept Hab’s management in 1963 passed on Peter Mahovlich who went 2nd overall to Detroit 🙂 Interestingly, Montreal later ended up trading Monahan (and Doug Piper) to Detroit for Peter Mahovlich (and Bart Crashley).

      –Go Habs Go!–

      • Chris says:

        Further addendum: the drafts from 1963 to 1968 were not true entry drafts, as players already signed to B- and C-forms could not be drafted. By 1968, those had all worked themselves out of the system and the draft as we now know it was largely in place (although the draft age was 20, instead of 18).

        • B says:

          Yes, and sorry for the semantical error. The NHL Entry Draft was known as the “NHL Amateur Draft” up until 1979. The initial draft age was 17 or older and that changed to 20 or older in 1969 and was reduced to 18 in 1980.

          –Go Habs Go!–

  64. jon514 says:

    I really hope they don’t give the “C” to Plek. I love the guy, but they SHOULD trade him at the deadline this year. It’s harder to trade a captain because it doesn’t play well in the room for the team to ditch their captain 2 years in a row.

    It’s taboo but… Carey Price for captain?

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      Right. We can probably make another good playoff run and then trade one of our most important players right before it. Great idea.

    • Cal says:

      We all know it’s Price’s team, but for on-ice talking to the refs, etc, it just doesn’t work and it makes someone else do the captain’s job.
      As an aside, I am still unconvinced that his knee has recovered. 2 seasons in a row the same knee gets injured. One more time and I think we can call it chronic.

  65. Cal says:

    Honestly, this is just another summer distraction to raise a hue and cry over something, anything, to get us through to training camp.
    At least it isn’t the Waiting for Vinnie theatrical presentation about a player that never shows up.

  66. jon514 says:

    I think a captain should set an example on the ice. The person on this team who sets the best example on the ice, IMHO, is Brendan Gallagher. Unfortunately he’s too young to be a captain, but I would give him an ‘A’.

  67. southaltahab says:

    I would like to see the “C” on Markov but I won’t be surprised if he passes on it if offered to him. Being the captain brings many responsibilities but it’s also a position of honor and respect and I think Markov has earned it. I thought Gionta was a very good captain but I was surprised when he was given the “C” as not much time served.

  68. Gardenhose says:

    Anyone starting to have doubts about Galchenyuk ever becoming a first line center? Or does it all take place this year?

  69. John Q Public says:

    Official role of captain – Rule 6
    Unofficial role of captain – Liaison with management, cliche machine.

  70. Hobie says:

    I’d be OK with Markov as captain. Some people don’t agree but I’d also be OK with Subban as captain. That is all. Have a great day!

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  71. arcosenate says:

    I think Markov is the best and obvious choice. The only problem being he doesn’t meet the sub – 5’9″ requirement for the job.

  72. Forum Dog says:

    If the captaincy is best suited for a guy that can talk to the media all day and night, then Subban’s a no-brainer.

    I don’t think that is what a captain is all about though. I think it’s about good and consistent leadership, as much through play and on ice presence as through words in the dressing room. Most dressing room banter is nonsense anyway. It’s whether you are able to get guys to listen up when something important needs to be said, and whether they respect you and the way you play the game.

    Personally I don’t see Plekanec as a captain in MTL. He is a great choice for an “A”, but he doesn’t always lead out on the ice. Markov does. I don’t see Prust as a great option, and Gallagher and Subban are not ready I don’t think. Markov is the obvious choice, and if he declines it, they will have to decide whether they want to go with youth.

    • Adidess says:

      I agree. I believe Markov has earned it. Assuming he wants it, Markov is a very easy choice.

      For those who think Markov may not be the proper go-to media type, remember reporters never treated Gionta as the go-to media guy. Gorges and PK were the guys they tended to gravitate towards.

      Just because you’re the Captain doesn’t mean you’re necessarily the guy the media will focus on. Unless there is a crisis, that is. Then the Captain is expected to be in control and to be present in both French and English media. And that’s the only little ‘bemol’ I would have with Markov as Captain, not sure how he would handle that.

  73. Gardenhose says:

    As many have said before me, the most sensible thing to do would be to ask Markov again if he would be the captain. If he turns it down once more, then it’s time for a vote in the dressing room. Let the players decide who they all view as a leader.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Are we sure that he was asked in the past though? He denies he was. Regardless, I agree he should be asked and if he doesn’t want it he can turn it down.

      I think Markov is a pretty big leader in the room and is respected. I can remember Markov to being rumored to have called out Price back in 2010 and we know he has spoken to PK as well in the past.
      He is a solid leader

  74. HardHabits says:

    Markov for “K”

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