MacKinnon looking like the No. 1 pick

It’s starting to look more and more like Nathan MacKinnon will be headed to the Colorado Avalanche with the No. 1 overall pick at Sunday’s NHL draft.

On Monday, Avalanche executive vice-president of hockey operations Joe Sakic told Denver’s CBS affiliate that if the draft was held that day, the team would select the Halifax Mooseheads centre.

“I think if we had to do it today, right now, he would probably be the guy, yes,” Sakic said, before adding: “But we still have some time.”

New Avalanche coach Patrick Roy told ESPN.com the same day: “It would be tough for us not to take MacKinnon. MacKinnon is ready to play tomorrow.”

When asked about the prospect of playing for Roy, who saw plenty of MacKinnon as coach of the QMJHL’s Quebec Remparts, MacKinnon told The Gazette’s Brenda Branswell: “It would be fun.

“Anywhere you go, you just want to have a career one day,” MacKinnon added.

MacKinnon attended last year’s NHL draft in Pittsburgh with his agent, Pat Brisson, to get a taste of what looms ahead.

“Definitely a cool experience,” he told Branswell. “And definitely thankful that I got to see it happening before and it kind of prepared me for it this year.”

MacKinnon is ranked No. 2 by NHL Central Scouting among North American skaters, behind Portland Winterhawks defenceman Seth Jones and the Mooseheads’ Jonathan Drouin.

Meanwhile, NHL.com’s three draft experts, Adam Kimelman, Mike G. Morreale and Steven Hoffner, have made their final mock drafts and all three have MacKinnon going to the Avalanche. Here’s who they have the Canadiens selecting with the No. 25 pick:

Kimelman: Alexander Wennberg, C, Djurgarden, Sweden: “Skilled and smart from playing against men the past two seasons. He had 14 goals, 32 points in 46 games this season.”

Morreale: Chris Bigras, D, Owen Sound: “The 6-0.5, 211-pound two-way defenseman is an extremely hard worker and team leader. He had eight goals, 30 assists and a plus-35 rating in 68 regular-season games. He consistently makes the smart play with quick outlet passes.”

Hoffner: Valentin Zykov, LW, Baie-Comeau: “Habs scouts will know all about Zykov’s 40 goals in the QMJHL this season.”

TSN’s Bob McKenzie also has Zykov slotted at No. 25, writing: “A determined, competitive player who combines a goal scoring intensity with very good skills. He has excellent hands and is able to handle the puck in traffic and get his shot off accurately. Very good offensive instincts and he gets to the dangerous scoring areas at the right times and is hungry to score. Has very good awareness and can make plays which makes him a multi-faceted threat and difficult to keep in check. He is strong along the boards and in traffic and hard to contain.”

Scott Cruickshank, who did a mock draft for Postmedia News, has the Canadiens selecting Prince Albert defenceman Josh Morrissey, writing: “D Josh Morrissey is not big – six feet, 186 pounds – but he’s got grit … Plus, Calgary kid owns plenty of skill … 47 points for WHL Prince Albert.”

The Hockey News mock draft has the Canadiens selecting Mooseheads goalie Zach Fucale at No. 25, writing: “Carey Price needs an heir and local boy Fucale is the best available netminder this year.”

(Photo by Nathan Denette/The Canadian Press)

Road to NHL success goes through the draft, by Pat Hickey

NHL.com draft experts make their picks, NHL.com

Bob McKenzie’s final draft rankings, TSN.ca

Top draft prospects, best and worst NHL picks, mock draft, montrealgazette.com/nhldraft

Last year’s draft was a dress rehearsal for MacKinnon, by The Gazette’s Brenda Branswell

MacKinnon tries to stay humble despite growing fame, montrealgazette.com

Today, Avalanche would draft MacKinnon, NHL.com

Jones handles hype with class, montrealgazette.com

Drouin has come a long way in a short time, by The Gazette’s Brenda Branswell

Rosemere’s Fucale top-rated goalie heading into draft, by The Gazette’s Brenda Branswell

Bruins’ Bergeron being treated at hospital for punctured lung, NHL.com

 

433 Comments

  1. Chris says:

    Completely unrelated to hockey, but I just got home from watching “The Reluctant Fundamentalist”. Excellent and thought-provoking movie…now I have to go read the book!

  2. savethepuck says:

    So TSN is reporting that if Letang doesn’t come to terms with the Pens for an extension, a Pittsburgh reporter says a preferred destination for Letang would be the Leafs. Strange news.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

    • H.Upmann says:

      Kinda makes sense to me.. Lots of money, back in Canada, big city. Pay me that money and I’ll gladly play for the Leafs.
      :-$

      • savethepuck says:

        Maybe I was hoping every Quebec kid grew up wanting to be a Hab. Not that I want the Habs to throw a pile of money at him of course.

        “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
        Carey Price

        • Saintpatrick33 says:

          No kidding, You would think a kid from Montreal would want to play for his home town. He would be worshiped here. Is the Habs such a cluserfuck of an organization that no Quebecker wants to play here or is it just the media and fan pressure? To read that he would rather play for the Laffs than us makes me angry,

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Saw that on TSN. Curious, very curious. Leaf fans must be in a frenzy.

      • savethepuck says:

        There is an article on TSN.ca now. Some interesting comments.

        “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
        Carey Price

  3. Denjen says:

    I ve seen a couple posts now suggesting to trade Eller? Mark my words people- Eller is going to be a point per game player in this league- You all remember who said that!

    • Bill says:

      That is a tad optimistic … there aren’t many PPG players anymore. But Eller did very well this year with third-line minutes and minimal pp time. Given 18:00 min a game and some power-play duty, I think he could max out as a 25 goal, 70 point player. That would be great.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

    • H.Upmann says:

      we’ve had some ridiculous coaches playing favs and limiting his ice time. I always believed he could be our version of Sundin

    • The_Truth says:

      Very doubtful. He is not a goal scorer and will not be getting 65 assists in a season.

      I mean you are entitled to your opinion, but I just don’t feel he has that kind of offensive talent. If he can get 50-60 points, that would be very good for him.

      It’s not a shot at Eller, but he will never be close to a Sundin. Sundin is a slam dunk hall of famer and had 3 times the talent of Eller, never mind the heart of a lion.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Probably won’t hit the PPG mark…. BUT he’s a big guy who can move through other players, a center with skills… you know, the ideal makeup for a center.

      He is perfect for a 2nd line center… behind Galchenyuk.

      • The_Truth says:

        I have to see more from Eller before annointing him a number 2 center. We all say Pleks is not a #1, but a number 2 and Eller isn’t on Plek’s level. If that is the case, Then making him the number 2 and losing Pleks would be a downgrade for next season.

        The guy has got to have a more than 16 goals and 30 points as a career high before making him a top 6. Next season is a very big year for him, to gauge who he really is. He and DD, will be tied for the #2 starting the year. We will see how it plays out.

        • savethepuck says:

          Compare the stats of Plex to Eller at the same ages. I think Eller has a definite upside.

          “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
          Carey Price

          • rnnoble says:

            In his first, second, and third year, Plekanec put up 29, 47, and 69 (0.85ppg) points. Eller put up 17, 28, and 30 (0.65ppg) points. I think that Eller has a lot of upside, and I’m excited about his future, but the stats aren’t there yet. I know, I know, everyone says that he hasn’t been given a chance yet, and that’s probably true, but you can’t say “compare his stats”.

          • jedimyrmidon says:

            But how old was Pleks at the time versus Eller, and how were they treated at the NHL levels? I think it was quite different in both cases. In any case, Eller was an absolute beast during this season for the Habs at times.

            People bemoan the lack of strength and size, well, Eller has them both, and he’s not slow or lacking skills.

  4. ProHabs says:

    Bickell, Malone and Jagr to the Habs and no more small team up front. Find 1 BIG dman to add with Tinordi and the return of Emelin and we are in business.

  5. Phil C says:

    I saw a comment below about “sign and trade” deals like in the NBA. Now that the NHL CBA permits better deals for the team who owns the player’s rights, is it possible that we will see some sign and trade deals this year? Or is it against the rules?

  6. Random Facts says:

    Hope MB does something to get us into the playoffs again and better than a 1st round exit.

  7. Loonie says:

    Speaking of free agents…..

    Jets – $28 million cap space and allegedly trying to trade Byfuglien.
    Senators – $22 million in cap space and Alfredsson may retire.
    Leafs – $19 million in cap space and dangling Phaneuf.
    Sabres – $14 million cap space and nobody’s safe.
    Rangers – $14 million cap space pre-Richards buyout.

    Bidding wars aren’t this team’s friend. Pipe dreams folks.

    • savethepuck says:

      I am hoping this team doesn’t get into bidding wars. That strategy hasn’t worked out too well for Sather.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I didn’t look at all the teams listed but the Leafs have $19M in cap space with only 11 players signed. Kadri, Bozak, Bernier, Franson and Gunnarson will eat up a big chunk of that $19M and they will still be 5 players short.

    • JayK-47 says:

      What about a salary dump? Always options out there.

  8. Loonie says:

    Why get into a bidding war for Bickell when it appears that Ryan Malone can be had for a cup of coffee?

  9. Propwash says:

    Heard this mentioned on the radio, Jager on the cheap? Say for 1mil and see how it pans out between him and Pleki?

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  10. Hobie Hansen says:

    Heard Aaron Ward on the radio mention that as soon as he saw Bryan Bickell score late in the 3rd the other night to tie the game he figured Bickell to be a perfect fit in Montreal.

    Music to my ears!

  11. TheShade says:

    Not sure if anyone caught this. I did not see it posted.

    Every year, Kyle Woodlief from Redline Report has a pre-draft chat with fans at USAToday.com a few days before the draft. Here is a link to the transcript.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2013/06/25/nhl-draft-chat-promo-kyle-woodlief/2456317/

    4 more sleeps …

  12. HabinBurlington says:

    If I am the NHLPA I am not happy with the league suddenly saying teams can’t trade a player for purposes of being Amnesty Bought Out. Isn’t an Amnesty Buyout the ultimate example of cap circumvention? So that is okay, but you can’t trade someone to allow a rich team to do this for you?

    How could this have been overlooked? The day after Amnesty buyouts were announced (or soon after) I posted that if Steinbrenner were a hockey owner he would trade for these players to do the buyouts and get picks or prospects.

    The League didn’t deal with at time of CBA negotiations, they missed it period. BS to now come up with this home made rule.

    So tired of Bettman and his twobit lawyers that can’t get anything right, especially the game of hockey.

    • Dust says:

      They are ok with you trading a player to another team to be bought out. The only thing they are saying is that you can’t sign that player you just traded that was bought out.
      SO if tampa wanted to trade vinny plus a 2nd to toronto for a 4th round pick say. And toronto proceeds to buy out vinny that is cool. Just tampa nor toronto can then sign vinny to a new cheaper deal

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I realize that, and I still dispute the league’s perspective on this. The player is traded, that is there own fault for not catching this. Again, I have no pity for Tampa or Toronto, but the league looks Mickey Mouse with there after the fact rule changes. Similar to how during playoffs they make rulechanges like throwing out the rulebook. Mickey Mouse, league run by a little weiner.

    • Bripro says:

      Speaking of which:

      A young nerdy rich kid from Queens goes off to Cornell. Half way through the semester, he has foolishly squandered all his money. He calls home.
      “Dad,” he says, “You won’t believe what modern education is developing! They actually have a program here at that will teach our dog, Ol’ Blue how to talk!”
      “That’s amazing,” his Dad says. “How do I get Ol’ Blue in that program?”
      “Just send him down here with $10,000″ the young dweeb says. “I’ll get him in the course.”
      So, his father sends the dog and $10,000.
      About two-thirds of the way through the semester, the money again runs out. The boy calls home.
      “So how’s Ol’ Blue doing son?” his father asks.
      “Awesome, Dad, he’s talking up a storm,” he says, “but you just won’t believe this – they’ve had such good results they have started to teach the animals how to read!”
      “Read!?” says his father, “No kidding! How do we get Blue in that program?”
      “Just send $25,000, I’ll get him in the class.”
      The money promptly arrives. But our hero has a problem. At the end of the year, his father will find out the dog can neither talk, nor read.
      So he shoots the dog.
      When he arrives home at the end of the year, his father is all excited. “Where’s Ol’ Blue? I just can’t wait to see him read something and talk!”
      “Dad,” the boy says, “I have some grim news. Yesterday morning, just before we left to drive home, Ol’ Blue was in the living room, kicked back in the recliner, reading Shakespeare, like he usually does.
      Then he turned to me and asked, “So, is your daddy still messing around with that little blonde who lives down the street?”
      The father exclaimed, “I hope you shot that SOB before he talks to your mother!”
      “I sure did, Dad!”
      “That’s my boy!”
      The kid went on to the New York University School of Law, and now serves commissioner of hockey.

      N.B.: this has been edited to suit the situation. Thank you. :)

  13. Dust says:

    If the pens are looking to deal Letang we should be all over it.
    Not sure what it would take to get Letang though.
    a first, Beaulieu, Diaz, another prospect.

    If we acquire Letang then you can trade Markov.

    Letang and Subban manning the points of the habs for the next 8 years would be sweet

    • Random Facts says:

      Can’t see Pittsburgh letting him go.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I would have no issues getting Letang, but no Markov, no Diaz, plus no Beaulieu (arguably our best D prospect, assuming Tinordi makes team).

      This means to start next season, PK/Letang, Gorges/Boullion, Drewiskie/Tinordi? to start the season.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Letang’s stats are inflated by playing with amazing offensive players. Take him away from Crosby, Malkin and the rest of the bunch and he’s a good offensive defenceman that’s average, at best, in his own end. No thanks.

      Beaulieu would take his place in Pittsburgh and be putting up similar points a couple years down the road playing with those players.

      • The_Truth says:

        Letang is an unbelievable talent. Beaulieu would never duplicate what he is doing. If he were in Montreal, he would put up similar numbers. I consider him the best offensive defensman in the league. The vision and playmaking ability he has is amazing.

        He is far from average in his own end. Playing the kind of minutes he does, against top lines, with not great goaltending behind him, Letang is a +52 the last three years. It could ne argued he is the 2nd most valuable player on the Pens and definitely is one of the top dmen in the league

        • Saintpatrick33 says:

          ^This. To say that Letang is the player he is just because he plays with Crosby and Malkin is seriously flawed thinking and big time underestimation.

  14. showey47 says:

    Don’t know how credible this guy is but what he said in his 5th paragraph and 2nd sentence got my attention.

    http://www.habsaddict.com/2013/06/montreal-canadiens-draft-stategy.html

    • Steven says:

      When asked for his sources, he said this:

      “I can’t tell you where I learned it, but I can tell you he was almost traded recently. As for the #1 target, it would be Monahan if they can move up to #7 or 8.”

      A lot to wonder about in that sentence. Who wanted DD? Why did they back off? Do the Habs really hope to jump that high in the draft, and if so, what are they sending to get there?

    • Bill says:

      I’m thinking not terribly credible. No offence to Mr. Poulin, but I’m thinks very few people have access to info like that, and if they are blogging, Habs brass are definitely not talking to them. Bad for business.

      Most of all, I submit that Desharnais was signed to a long term deal mere months ago … Bergevin is not gonna turn around and trade him right after. As a Quebecois player, Desharnais has tremendous value to the Habs for marketing and public relations. He’s also reasonably priced for his point production.

      Get used to Desharnais, he is going nowhere.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  15. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Just heard that the Bruins might be going after Briere…as if Habs fans could not stand him enough already…LOL

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  16. Sportfan says:

    Would anyone want Ference?

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  17. thebonscott says:

    they could send us lecavalier, hedman, and their 1st rounder, for DD, gionta (who they could buy out), and gorges. i’d be ok with that, there backs are against the wall, so fleece em.

    GET BIGGER, GET TOUGHER, GET EVEN.

    • Sportfan says:

      Stevie Y has made some sketch moves maybe he’d do it :P

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    • JayK-47 says:

      Let’s work this one out.

      Vinny, TB 1st and Hedman for DD, Gionta, Gorges.

      Cross out Gionta, injured.

      So Vinny, TB 1st and Hedman for DD and Gorges.

      High first rounders are worth ~$25 million so that takes care of Vinny’s contract. But Vinny is a player so they’d want some return. Cross out DD, replace with Eller (that’s who’d I want cuz AG94 is off limits)

      Vinny, TB 1st and Hedman for Eller and Gorges.

      TB’s not swapping Hedman for Gorges, gotta add or swap. I’d let TB have their pick of Beaulieu or Tinordi plus Gorges for Hedman.

      So Vinny, TB 1st and Hedman for Eller, Gorges, Tinordi/Beaulieu.

      I dunno. It’s too much going to Mtl. Gotta drop Hedman.

      So Vinny, TB 1st for Eller and decent roster player or prospect might do it. But I wouldn’t like it.

    • The_Truth says:

      Not even Milbury would even consider that deal

    • TheLogician says:

      reads much better…

      :cheers

      go habs!

  18. habsfan0 says:

    I suspect the Laffs,who are slated to draft in the #21 position,will try and move up in order to draft Max Domi(Tie’s son)who is rated at #10 in some circles.

  19. Cal says:

    Andrew Ference is available. When do the Habs sign him and his “malfunctioning” gauntlet?

    http://calshabsongparodies.weebly.com

  20. Saintpatrick33 says:

    I really like Ryan Pulock but I doubt he’ll be there when we pick

  21. AllHailTheFlower says:

    Well, well…you sneaky buggers.

    http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Toronto/2013/06/26/20929896.html

    If I understand this correctly, essentially Toronto would have payed cash for one of Tampa Bay’s draft picks. Presumably such a transaction would be against the rules under the current CBA, which means Toronto and Tampa were trying to do an end-run around the league.

    • Saintpatrick33 says:

      They both should be fined or have picks taken away or something.

    • piper says:

      so the leafs would pay 30 million dollars for a draft pick? Holy S@#t.

    • Dust says:

      I think it wold be a great move by the leafs if they did it. They got lots of money. Good on the league for not letting it happen though

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I don’t see why this is considered cap circumvention given all the other crap they let happen.

        I have no issues with wealthy teams taking advantage of their wealth to help themselves. I don’t care about the Leafs, but I think the League is overstepping themselves on this one.

  22. habstrinifan says:

    In my very un-expert opinion, MB should pick with his 25Th 1st rnd pick Bo Horvat if he is still available or Adam Erne.

    Commandant sold me with his high evaluation on Erne, and after reading all about him I would rather see Erne that Gauthier, Mantha, Zykov or even La Rose.

    Again this is just my very unprofessional opinion.

    • Mark C says:

      We should be so lucky if one of Horvat and Erne are still around at 25.

      • HabFab says:

        I’m down on Erne as he declined invite to Habs Combine.

        • habstrinifan says:

          I am going with Commandant who ranks him 15th I think and what I have read. But my first choice is for Horvat to fall thru the cracks and be there or close to 25 so MB can realistically grab him.

        • Mark C says:

          Didn’t he skip the Habs camp to attend the Leafs camp going on at the same time?

          • habstrinifan says:

            Yes! Thanks habfab for the correction re date.. But if I do recall correctly Erne did skip Habs combine.

          • HabFab says:

            No, Toronto’s camp was day earlier. Most of guys there came directly to the Habs camp.

          • Mark C says:

            Interesting, still not sure how much damage that should do to his ranking.

          • HabFab says:

            Nobody cares… but me. Also heard he wasn’t enamored with the local culture but take that with a grain of salt.

      • habstrinifan says:

        I think better chance of Erne than Mantha whom everyone has been touting. Mantha is just getting too many raves by too many people to be available. Horvat seems to be a kinda sleeper…. not a lot of buzz.

        • Mark C says:

          Not a lot of buzz on Horvat? Every major scouting source has him in their top-20, and Horvat had a huge playoff. There are a lot of lingering questions regarding Mantha. Are you sure do don’t have the two players mixed up?

          • Dust says:

            they are both getting their tires pumped. Horvat is most likely to go top 15 and mantha top 20

        • TheShade says:

          I have this feeling Mantha might be a slider on draft day. The knock on him is lack of effort or compete if I am not mistaken. This is a warning sign. Though he did score 50g which can’t be ignored.

  23. HabFab says:

    Noticed via Stubbs that today is Jean Beliveau’s 60th wedding anniversary. A true gentleman…

  24. HabFab says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏- Following teams, IMO, not likely to buy out: ANA, BOS, BUF, CGY, CAR, COL, CBJ, DAL, FLA, LA, MIN, NJ, NSH, OTT, PHX, SJ, STL, WSH, WPG.

    NOTE: Apparently Havlat and Heatley are both still recovering from their injuries and cannot be bought out.

  25. HardHabits says:

    Looking at the picture of McKinnon compared to the prior one of Seth Jones, I change my mind about who I’d prefer if the Habs had the #1 pick. One’s built like an athlete and the other like the Pillsbury dough boy.

    • Habfan17 says:

      That is very interesting and confusing…lol I wonder if it a replacement pick for a player who opted not to sign. if they do in fact have that 4th round pick, I hope they use it on a goalie

      Habfan17

      • HabFab says:

        The replacement picks are only for 1st rounders and you get a 2nd rounder as a pick.

      • New says:

        Probably nothing more than a 2nd and a conditional 5th for Wiz “if resigned” and when his rights were traded to Columbus the conditional was voided because the intent was resigned by Montreal, not resigned by a third team (UFA status). But that’s just a WAG.

  26. Sean Bonjovi says:

    Can Antoine Vermette still skate? He used to be a pretty solid player.

  27. H.Upmann says:

    I love any and all DD trade rumours. Because it’s like a fantasy trade where I trade you DD for your case of beer or new TV: you’re gonna get fleeced. Keep em comin

    • CharlieHodgeFan says:

      I know it’s fashionable to go after Desharnais (with Gorges as a popular new accessory), but I expect that with a little patience, you’ll be surprised next season. I think you’ll need another target. DD was pretty bad last season (and small), but guys have bad seasons, and often bounce back. Give it time.
      He tied Gallagher for points, and while not nearly as much fun to watch (okay, bloody frustrating last year) he was a decent assist man in an off year.
      I know it’s fun to look at snapshots, but give the guy time. Give yourself time, if you enjoy watching this club.

      “What if they held a Habs season and no one looked for a scapegoat?”

    • florida habs says:

      maybe a case of 12.

  28. HabFab says:

    Not sure if any of the PEI crew caught it but PK was in Charlottetown for a couple of days.
    http://www.ngnews.ca/Sports/2013-06-26/article-3292857/Hockey-star-PK-Subban-enjoys-P.E.I./1

  29. HabFab says:

    Upcoming dates;

    June 30th – NHL Draft
    June 30th – last day for teams to sign their UFA’s
    July 1st – last day for teams to sign or qualify their RFA’s
    July 1st – teams can start talking to UFA’s but no signing
    July 3rd – Habs Prospect Camp starts
    July 5th – Free Agent signings begin
    July 6th – last day of Habs Prospect camp

  30. Kooch7800 says:

    Gino Reda ‏@GinoRedaTSN
    Interesting non hockey note just crossed my desk- Total # of arrests of NFL players since 2000? 640!!

  31. thehabsfan29 says:

    Looks like Chris Stewart Could be the odd man out in STL.

    Pietrangelo Will soon be signed
    Berglund just resigned for 1 yr/3.25 mil
    And Shattenkirk Just resigned at 4yrs/17mil

    Could be a great fit for the habs. Not sure how much it would cost us to get him though

  32. Kooch7800 says:

    From Twitter – “Russian media reports that Sergei Kostitsyn has signed with KHL Avangard Omsk. So the SK74 & AK46 NHL saga is over.”

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  33. Habfan17 says:

    Columbus has 3 first round picks. Do you think they would take Gorges, DD and the 25th, for the 19th and 27th? They move up 2 spots, get two roster players and still have the 14th pick, Montreal drops two spots, but also gets an extra first round pick

    Habfan17

  34. Maritime Ron says:

    Open discussion about PK and when to start negotiations:

    Over and above this weekend’s Draft, MB has a big decision as to when to start negotiating with PK Subban and his super negotiation clan of Don Meehan and Newport Sports Agency.

    We all know PK is under contract for the hockey year 2013-14, yet new contract negotiations can start next week for the 2014-15 season and for a total of 7 years maximum.

    Perhaps some may ask, what is the rush?
    Well, PK will be a potential RFA in Summer 2014 and 2015, but more importantly, a complete Unrestricted Free Agent in 2016 if HE DECIDES to go that route – the Habs management has NO control over that unless they act!

    Last year’s strong arm Habs contract negotiations tactics with PK are now an item of the past!

    PK will be an RFA Summer 2014, yet contrary to last summer, he now has Arbitration Rights as do the Habs.
    He now basically holds ALL the cards.
    This means he will be due a HUGE payday.

    NHL Arbitration decisions are based on RFA Jurisprudence….and the last Major Award was won by Shea Weber in 2011 for a Salary of $ 7.5M.
    PK would certainly be in that area code IF it came to that.

    Regardless of how the Habs want to play this, PK will cash in big time!

    The question becomes:
    How many UFA years will MB and Geoff Molson be willing to buy to secure PK and some player stability for the longer term?

    At this moment, the highest Dman Cap Hits in the NHL are Shea Weber at $ 7.857M and Ryan Suter at $7.538M – none with even a asterisk beside a 48 game Norris.
    Others such as Bryan Campbell are at $7.142M-Doughty at $ $7M and Jay Boumeester at $6.68M
    http://www.capgeek.com/leaders/?season=2013&type=CAP_HIT&position=D&limit=25

    PK’s negotiating numbers may come down to this:
    5 years/$39.5M ( $7.9M/year)…that will secure him guaranteed family/entourage security, and a window to move on at 30 years old to brighter pastures if things don’t work out, and a career ending MEGA contract if the Cap moves North as all expect.

    Some may say, look at last year’s Norris winner Eric Karlsson and his 7 year/$45.5M. ($6.5M Cap)
    The answer may be he is only 23 years old and that contract will expire when he turns 29 years old…and that PK has SO many more tools than Karlsson – and the word “Hit” is foreign to Karlsson even if you spotted him the first letter “H” and the last letter “T”

    Thoughts?

    • Habfan17 says:

      I would think at this point, if PK would accept say $7.5/year, then MB would sign him to the max term for signing your own players. Given what Karlsson signed for and the fact he did win the Norris, that sounds fair. Subban says he wants to be a Hab and win the cup. He is only one year older than Karlsson. $1m more a year over the deal shows the Habs value him and want to be able to build a perennial contender. I really don’t think there is any animosity from the last negotiation.

      Habfan17

    • mksness says:

      signing him should be the main priority. This contract will help you plan for the year after his contract expires. even if he has a slightly lower point total next year, he’ll still get the same money.

    • habstrinifan says:

      that is what I meant in my post about ‘screwing around’ with the negotiations. If MB, as many here have suggested, wait until the contract runs out (some say .. you can check th eposts… to make sure P.K is for real) then I understand if P.K’s camp looks elsewhere.

      • GrimJim says:

        I thought that if the Habs sign a player to a contract extension in the middle of the season, his cap hit jumps to the value of the extension immediately, even though he will only get paid starting the following year (CBA section 50.9 (b) unless I’m reading it wrong). So if the Habs sign PK to an extension with a cap hit of 7.5 mill, they will lose about 4 mil in cap space immediately.

  35. frozengolf says:

    Ryan Malone on the block in Tampa. If I’m MB, I am all over this guy. Yes I know he was injured last year, but he is exactly what we need. Big, tough winger with good hands ad not afraid to drop the gloves.

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    • BrianSkrudland says:

      Odd timing for that news. I had been thinking about how’d he’d fit on the Habs roster less than half-an-hour ago and posted the following…

      I know many won’t agree, but I would gladly take a risk on Ryan Malone despite his $4.5 million cap hit which end following the 2014-15 season. I understand his health has be an issue of late, but for a couple of years I believe he’d be worth the risk.

      There is a lack of depth at centre in Tampa Bay, so maybe Stevie Y would do us a solid and take Desharnais’ $3.5 million hit through until the 2017-18 season.

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      • mrhabby says:

        he will go to pittsburgh if the money is right.

        • BrianSkrudland says:

          I may have missed this, but are they considering buying him out? There are two years left on his deal.

          Good call re: him having an interested in returns to the Penguins organization. He’d be a nice fit back with that team.

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        • Kooch7800 says:

          only if he is bought out. I think Tampa is looking to trade him

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • frozengolf says:

        We can only hope!

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      • habstrinifan says:

        If you had your druthers would you give Ryan Malone 4.5 or Bickell 5.5 ?

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      One less guy for Emelin to worry about lol

    • Habfan17 says:

      I would see if they would take DD and because of the age factor, Tampa throw in their 4th round pick. It is better than buying him out!

      Habfan17

      • frozengolf says:

        I don’t think they want to buy him out, so a trade along those lines would be plausible.

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        • Habfan17 says:

          I think so, Tampa sheds some salary and gets a younger player and Montreal gets a fill in for two years on the 2nd line at left wing and because of age and injury, get the 4th rounder.

          That would make the top three lines
          Patches, Pleks, Bourque
          Malone, Eller, Gionta
          Prust, Galchenyuk, Gallagher

          Then MB could sign a free agent centre for the 4th line and a mean, crease clearing defenceman like Fistric or Scuderi

          Habfan17

          • frozengolf says:

            Yes, I like the look of that line-up. Sign Halpern for the fourth line/face off duties, bring up Dumont and Leblanc for his wingers. Done! Now for the defence…

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  36. HabFanSince72 says:

    I was sure someone would reply to the news that Hernandez was charged with murder with “I wish he had killed David Desharnais”.

    Come on folks, it’s been at least 30 minutes since the last anti-DD non-sequitur.

  37. Thomas Le Fan says:

    WTF’s with that photo? Is she doing the draft smell test? Tattooing the secret NHL mark of the devil?

    There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk.

  38. habs-fan-84 says:

    I’ve never thrown out trade ideas on this site before, generally because I think it’s an exercise in futility….

    but I was just driving listening to TSN radio in Toronto and the random idea of trading Price to Philly came to mind…(before anyone jumps on me, I have been and still am a Price supporter/believer)….it was actually more something I was curious about, not something that I think is realistic at all (MB is sticking with Price)

    but would a Price for Giroux trade seem fair? Thoughts?

    • Lafrich says:

      I don’t think Philly will get rid of Giroux for anyone but Stamkos, Crosby or Malkin. As a hab fan, that deal would rock.

    • Mustang says:

      OK, but who would you then put in goal for Mtl?

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      What? The next thing you know you’ll be doing possible line combinations including players who don’t play for us. Go figure! ;)

      There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      If you want to trade Price but don’t want him to go on to become an all-star, the goaltender’s graveyard that is Philly is a sensible destination.

      I would do Price for Couturier. No way Philly gives up Giroux.

    • Chris says:

      Unlikely. That is way above market value for a goaltender.

      They picked up Mason last year. If they’re really desperate, they could kick the tires on Malcolm Subban (Rask is the definitive #1 in Boston now, after his successful playoffs), Michal Neuvirth or Roberto Luongo.

      I’m betting that the Bryzgalov buyout is making room for a Luongo deal. The Canucks are desperate to unload Luongo, but few teams can afford that contract. Ed Snider can.

      • habs-fan-84 says:

        I remember when Mason was projected to be a franchise goaltender… didn’t he have one really strong year in St. Louis?

        • Chris says:

          In Columbus, he was nominated for the Vezina with Ken Hitchcock as coach. But then they fell apart and his numbers were terrible ever since. He showed some promise upon arriving in Philly, though.

          • habs-fan-84 says:

            Thanks Chris, I realized afterwards it was Columbus….sounds similar to Jose Theodore…was never quite the same after winning the Vezina.

      • mrhabby says:

        why do a trade with philly… maybe they just release him and then flyers sign him or pick up some of his contract…screw gillis.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Since this is just for fun, how about Price, DD, Weber, and Gorges for Giroux and Couturier and Masson

      Habfan17

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      So the general feeling is that although Philly is almost desperate for a goaltender there’s no way they do that trade.
      Cool thanks.

      • Habfan17 says:

        You know what, never say never. I doubt either GM would bring it up, but it would really depend how much the Flyers thought about Price and the players in their system. They do have the 11th overall pick. I would think it is more likely that they would trade the 11th overall for Price. The Habs could throw in Gorges and get Masson.

        The big question is, do teams need superstar goalies to win, or a solid team with a strong system. Detroit won without a superstar Goalie, so did Chicago both times. Crawford may well become a top 5 goalie, but who knows.

        Let me ask you this, if the Habs could get Taylor Hall, Teubert and Dubnyk for Price, Gorges, and Holland, would you do it?

        Habfan17

        • habs-fan-84 says:

          Your second paragraph is exactly what I’ve been thinking about the last few days…I’m not as convinced as maybe I was a few years ago of the importance of a “superstar” goalie …..that said…Rask looks like he may become that franchise goalie and Crawford at most times PLAYED like a superstar goalie…who knows…at the end of the day you also need a lot of luck on your side to win the Cup. Naturally a good core also helps too.

          With regards to your last question, I don’t do that trade. Dubnyk is questionable at best, Hall is an all star and Teubert is the wild card. I still believe Price will go on to have a stellar career and will continually be one of the top goalies in the league (that’s a commodity that’s hard to come by).

        • The_Truth says:

          No way Philly trades Giroux and Couturier for Price and Gorges/DD. It is way too one-sided. For the 11th pick, I could see them doing it. I think we could get more for Price though.

          I would do the Edmonton deal for sure. Hall is one of the best young players in the game. Add in Teubert and get an adequate goalie in Dubnyk. looks good to me. I don’t see Edmonton doing that trade though. Hall is a sure superstar, Price is still a question mark after 7 years. Teubert is quite a nice prospect as well.

    • florida habs says:

      who is going to play in nets for the Habs? Budaj

    • habstrinifan says:

      No! Giroux cannot sustain the ‘best player in the world’ level he had in last years’s playoffs.

  39. ClutchNGrab says:

    Ference and his finger won’t be back as Bruins.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=426371

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      Can’t believe they wouldn’t sign and trade Ference, or his rights at least. He’ll be sought after for sure. (much as I hate him)

      • The_Truth says:

        No such thing as sign and trade in hockey. Never happens. I’m sure they would trade his rights for a 5th or something, but apparently no takers.

  40. commandant says:

    Zdeno Chara, hilarity ensues

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/06/26/zdeno-chara-rides-a-rooster/

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  41. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    In other sport news….Wimbledon gets stranger and stranger this year….jeepers Feds!!!

  42. frontenac1 says:

    Body fat? Uh-oh. There goes my buzz.

  43. frontenac1 says:

    Anybody know what that gal is doing to Mac in that picture?

    • mark-ID says:

      calculating body fat %

      “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        That would take a long time with Dunkin’ Byfuglien…

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  44. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    What are thoughts on here about Lecavalier? If TB does buy him out (guessing they will), would a 2 or 3 year deal for 4 million or so be that bad?

    I kind of like the idea…would be an excellent mentor for Eller and Galchenyuk at the position, is big and though his contract now is incredibly bad, he’s still puts up decent enough numbers. Besides his rookie season and the shortened season this year, he’s never had less than 20 goals.

    Would he take a hometown discount? With Gionta’s contract up next year, would the though of captaining the Habs bring him back?

    • The Jackal says:

      I’d do it faster than I’d trade DD

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      • BrianSkrudland says:

        I know many won’t agree, but I would gladly take a risk on Ryan Malone despite his $4.5 million cap hit which end following the 2014-15 season. I understand his health has be an issue of late, but for a couple of years I believe he’d be worth the risk.

        There is a lack of depth at centre in Tampa Bay, so maybe Stevie Y would do us a solid and take Desharnais’ $3.5 million hit through until the 2017-18 season.

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    • mrhabby says:

      okay i will bite.

      vinny reality..sun , surf , low taxes, alot less pressure , able to stay out of the limelight.

      vinny fantasy..extreme pressure, cold , snow , higher taxes.

      It will never happen..a waste of time.

    • Chris says:

      I’m willing to bet that Tampa Bay does not buy out Lecavalier. If that is the direction they choose to go, they will do it next year. In the meantime, he can help mentor whatever young start they choose in this summer’s draft.

      • Ghosts of the Forum says:

        Good point, they don’t have to use it now. They are right up against the cap though…

        • Chris says:

          Against the cap, but with almost no players to re-sign. Ohlund’s injury lets them run over the salary cap by about $3 M per year, so they aren’t in danger of cap issues. They’re fine.

      • Rugger says:

        Agreed, the other aspect is that they would still have to pay VL a huge amount of cash to buy him out. Won’t hit the cap but it will certainly hit the owner’s wallet hard.

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      Lots of people have grown tired of the yearly Lecavalier rumours, but I think because of a buy out that he will be willing to sign for less. He is clearly on the decline, but he is still capable of being a decent legitimate top line center that can produce (~70 points), something we haven’t had in a while. It would move Plekanec into the second line C role which is where he would thrive, and it would provide a good role model for Gally and Eller and would allow Gally to fully develop before taking over the #1 C job.

      It would also make DD expendable and allow MB to make a trade. DAL needs a #2 C and reuniting Cole and DD might be work for them. Perhaps #25 and DD for #10?

      I know lots of people don’t like the Lecavalier option but I think he would only improve the Habs. AND if he were available for relatively cheap (for a top line C), then I don’t see why MB wouldn’t make an attempt to sign him.

  45. frontenac1 says:

    @Commandant. I hope you are up early on Sunday and ready to post! You did an amazing job last year giving us your take. You are one of the best amigo.Saludos!

  46. frontenac1 says:

    @timo. Habs signed Lars? I thought he was out with a conky?

  47. commandant says:

    The Charge is MURDER!

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/06/26/aaron-hernandez-arrested/

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  48. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    TSN has Mike McCarron ranked at 34 (our second pick, from NSH). He’s a 6’5″ winger. Yes, please. Take him at 25 for that matter…

    • commandant says:

      I’m firmly against McCarron before pick 55.

      See Tyler Biggs and Mitch Moroz….. yeah he’s big, but he has NO hands, no vision, a slow release on his wrist shot, and no offensive skills.

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      • Ghosts of the Forum says:

        I have no idea who he is, but the TSN scouting report said he has decent offensive upsize. Obviously not great, otherwise he’d be ranked a lot higher at that size. But I’m OK with taking a third-liner who is that big in the second round.

        • commandant says:

          I’d rather sign my third liner in free agency… even if you slightly overpay… the cost of overpaying top line guys is much, much more than overpaying a Brandon Prust.

          Also there are plenty of 6’2 and 6’3 forwards in this draft with real offensive skills.

          His size is making him overrated just like those players I mentionned before… let someone else make that mistake. You need skill to couple with that size.

          Heck the Habs themselves spent a decade making these mistakes, Vallis, Stevenson, Brown, Wilkie, Ryan, Ward, Matt Higgins, Eric Chouinard.

          Taking size without talent, we got one 4th liner out of the lot of those first round picks.

          Chicago is the 2nd smallest team in the NHL and look at them… and when they did have size, in Bickell, the kid could actually play on the top line with Kane and Toews.

          I’m all for a guy like Carrier at 6’3″ with size and skill.. or LaRose at 6’2″ or Fasching, Hayden, or numerous others… way before McCarron.

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  49. Timo says:

    Here is a welcome news though. Habs signed Lars Eller to a 2 year deal.

  50. Ed says:

    Just saw a TSN report about Darnell Nurse. Man was I impressed. Some team is going to get an outstanding player.

    • Chris says:

      Darnell Nurse is the player in this draft I would not go near with a 20-foot pole. I have not at all been impressed with him in the few games that I’ve seen him play live. I’m concerned about his lack of footspeed.

      • Ed says:

        really? the report talked about his “explosive skating” being one of his great skills, allowing him to close on forwards and join the rush with ease.

        • Chris says:

          Maybe it came on in the second half. When I saw him last year and in the fall of this season (one of my friends is a Soo Greyhounds fan, so we try to catch them when they come to town), I wasn’t at all impressed. He looked VERY awkward.

          Most of the scouting reports I’ve seen cite him as being nasty. I also did not see any evidence of that against the Guelph Storm, and they’re not exactly a tough team. He was largely invisible for a guy that was so massive.

  51. commandant says:

    Mike Downing… #71 on my rankings… a two way american D with size.

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/06/26/mike-downing-2013-nhl-draft-player-profile-71/

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  52. commandant says:

    Someone check on Timo to make sure his excitement is restrained.

    Canes announce they will not re-sign MAB

    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/26/canes-letting-corvo-ellis-larose-go-to-market/

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  53. Habilis says:

    No kidding they’re gonna take MacKinnon.

    MacKinnon looks like a professional athlete already. Jones looked like the Dunkin Donuts guy in his combine photo compared to that.

    • Chris says:

      Hockey fans would have lost their minds if they had seen what Mario Lemieux looked like with his shirt off as a 18 or 19 year old. :)

      • H.Upmann says:

        Wasn’t Roy surviving on a diet of chips and hot dogs living in some basement apartment in 1986? or am i thinking about my own undergrad days…

      • Habilis says:

        Yeah, fair point.

        Still, in this day and age, with what we know about nutrition and conditioning? For a kid who’s been on the professional athlete path for a while, practically since birth… Maybe it says something about Jones’ work ethic vs MacKinnon’s.

      • Ozmodiar says:

        Different era. Lemieux said he used to keep fit in the off-season by eating a salad with his clubhouse, instead of fries. :)

      • Ed says:

        that was a few years ago, Chris. Today’s players are in the gym twice a day during the off season. Popeye’s lack of shape is troubling to me. If we surveyed the top 210 ranked players in the world, he might be the only one not training hard enough.

        • Chris says:

          I’m not at all worried about Seth Jones. The kid played 25-30 minutes per game in junior hockey, played (brilliantly!) a major role for the gold medal winning Americans in the World Juniors and helped his team get to the Memorial Cup.

          He ran out of gas in the Memorial Cup, but all totaled he ended up playing 94 hockey games at the highest level possible.

          I spent four years watching Drew Doughty pack on a massive amount of weight here in Guelph. He ended up having to lose about 20 pounds after seeing his weight explode from poor nutrition.

          Jones has all the tools: he is big, fast, and talented. He’ll be fine.

          People get too worked up about pictures of these kids with their shirts off. Jones’ performance over the past 100 games should be a far better indicator of his potential than a picture of him in the summer.

          If his conditioning is a bit weaker right now, that suggests to me that he has even greater potential to improve than a guy who is an absolute gym rat in junior hockey. If he doesn’t, he’s still going to be a heck of a hockey player.

          • Ozmodiar says:

            “He ran out of gas in the Memorial Cup”

            Mac didn’t. Not surprising when you compare the pictures.

            Perhaps Jones would still be the consensus #1 if he didn’t run out of gas.

          • Chris says:

            MacKinnon was not even close to being used to the same amount as Jones in the World Juniors.

            More importantly, Jones was playing his first year of junior hockey after playing the previous two seasons in the US National Team Development Program. Many of those games were against lower level competition, so it was definitely an adjustment moving to junior where all the games count.

            Both guys will be good.

            If I’m worried about one of them, it is MacKinnon. Whenever you get lines like Frk-MacKinnon-Drouin in junior, you often see that one or more of the guys is a passenger whose statistics are inflated by talented linemates.

            MacKinnon is a tireless worker. But I’m not enamoured with his offensive statistics given that Drouin was piling up much better numbers on the same line.

            I won’t be at all surprised if Drouin ends up being the offensive star of that trio while MacKinnon becomes more of a two-way star like Patrice Bergeron. There’s no shame in that…Bergeron is an integral contributor to a perennial Stanley Cup contender. But Bergeron is also less likely to be mentioned when people discuss the NHL’s best players.

          • Ozmodiar says:

            That’s all beside the point.

            The fact is all these things you mention (wjc, linemates, experience) were already factored in to the evaluations that had them running neck & neck to be the top pick in the draft.

            Then came the Mem Cup. If Jones ran out of gas while the more fit Nate Mac didn’t, that could have given the latter the edge in the end. I’m not saying this is what happened, but scouts are looking for red flags, and the drop-off at season’s end, along with the soft belly, might have been one.

          • Chris says:

            If you recall, the final CSS ranking that had Jones #1 and MacKinnon #2 were published after the Memorial Cup.

            So it is the post Memorial Cup analysis derby that is driving MacKinnon ahead.

            Essentially, the two guys are equivalent. I sincerely doubt that many scouts have changed their mind since the middle to end fo the season, to be honest. They all have their biases and their obsessions.

            Jones is big, fast and talented with a very high ceiling.

            MacKinnon is a remarkable worker, talented and is a very safe pick.

            Either way, you get a good to great NHL player.

            Would scouts unquestionably like to see a six-pack on Jones? Sure.

            But at the end of the day, decisions will be made based on how the player has performed thus far and based on the various teams’ best guess as to how that player will evolve moving forwards.

            In general, there is a bias towards potential. This is why you see teams willing to give up established NHL players for draft picks that may never actually play a game in the league.

            Fans, media, management…we all see what a player might be during the draft. With his size, speed and offensive numbers, scouts have been salivating over Jones for a couple of years now. He won’t fall past #3 in this draft.

        • Sean Bonjovi says:

          Ozmodiar wrote:
          ” “He ran out of gas in the Memorial Cup”

          Mac didn’t. Not surprising when you compare the pictures.

          Perhaps Jones would still be the consensus #1 if he didn’t run out of gas.”

          :) :) :)! I nominate this post for the prize! :)

      • habstrinifan says:

        Remember Emelin’s pic?

  54. HabsWin-nipeg says:

    May have been posted: A report that the Habs are shopping Desharnais.

    http://www.habsaddict.com/2013/06/montreal-canadiens-draft-stategy.html

    • Chris says:

      A report that has a about a 1% chance of being based on anything factual.

      The Habs are quite airtight about potential trades. I sincerely doubt that Mr. Poulin has sufficient inside connections to have much of a clue when it comes to whether the Habs are shopping Desharnais or not. They are certainly open to a trade of just about any roster player, as every team should be.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      These guys are just random fans posting their thoughts/wishes. They aren’t reporters.

      A few days ago there was another “report” with a game plan that featured a ridiculous trade, “HiO style”.

      If they claim “freelance”, it’s just a euphemism for being unemployed. :)

    • The Jackal says:

      If true, that would be good news. Woo!

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    • Habfan17 says:

      How can the guy start off saying the Habs want to move up to add a true power forward to the group of talented forwards, and then name Domi as a player they could pick. He may be hard headed like his dad, but he is very far from being a power forward.

      Habfan17

    • Timo says:

      Please let it be so. Hell, give him away. Addition by subtraction, so to speak.

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      “Tokarski, a career AHLer…” is all I needed to read to know how to gauge this story….

  55. The Jackal says:

    Let’s play speculative arm chair GM/hopeful fan for a second…. :D

    So according to twitter, Kristo may surprise at the draft. Presumably, this suggests that Kristo may be headed to Calgary in a trade, to reunite him with former college(?) teammate that just signed there.

    Now… Should this trade occur, I think it would be a great opportunity to not only move up in the draft but to exchange Kristo, a player that may not fit our needs, for one who does. Maybe that 22nd pick could come back to us and we can draft Gauthier. That would be very good for us.

    What do you guys think?

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    • habstrinifan says:

      I think a trade involving someone with high value like Kristo is exactly what MB should do. It will move him up significantly.
      I like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Depletes our depth for next year. May help our depth a few years down the road. Unless multiple deals also happen that put NHL-ready players onto the team.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • habstrinifan says:

        How does Kristo ‘deplete’ our depth?

        • Chris says:

          He’s the closest we have to an NHL ready forward that can play in the top-6. Bournival and Leblanc project as third liners, and after that you get to Collberg, Hudon and Bozon who are 2-4 years away.

          • The Jackal says:

            Sure that may be true, but that does not mean that he helps us shore up the deficiencies that are dragging the team down. Trading for a player that is what we need more of does more to improve our depth than having Kristo, despite his readiness. Besides, we are not a contender with or without Kristo. Just because a draftee would be 2-3 years away does not mean anything. We improve our depth in the area we need it most, while we may have to wait longer to see player X than to see Kristo in the NHL, player X would help us out more in the longterm, and that is what MB is planning for – to be perennial contenders.

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          • Ozmodiar says:

            I agree, Jack. You have to look at the long-term need.

            Let’s say the team plans to use the 25th pick to add a 3rd line C or D-man to the prospect pool.

            They might want a winger that is more robust than Kristo to complement Collberg/Max/Gally. If so, I could see them trading DK to draft Zykov/Erne/Hartman. Considering Gio has a year left, it will only set them back about a year.

          • habstrinifan says:

            If we cannot take a chance and trade a Kristo in a really good deal…

    • Chris says:

      People are reading too much into this reporter Tweet.

      How can Kristo surprise at the draft? He’s just signed a bloody contract a couple of months ago! If he wanted out of Montreal, he could easily have picked his own destination by waiting until this summer and becoming a UFA.

      This is all based on a comment by Corban Knight to a Calgary beat reporter. Knight is almost certainly devoid of insider information, so I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for a trade there. Telling Knight anything about Kristo before a deal was made would constitute tampering, as Kristo is under contract to Montreal.

      • The Jackal says:

        ….Hence the word speculative and hopeful and presumably.

        Just kicking the tires around. Besides, any player can be traded, regardless of how long ago they signed. If the deal was right, MB would probably pull the trigger. Getting a pick that can be a player like Gauthier is a good exchange for the Habs since they trade Kristo, who does not help us as much as a player like Gauthier would.

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      • Ozmodiar says:

        >How can Kristo surprise at the draft?

        New shoes? New hair stlye? Parrot on his shoulder?

        Don’t underestimate Kristo!!

    • Timo says:

      We are talking Jay Feaster here, so anything can happen.

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      That quote came from Kristo’s UND teammate. I’m pretty sure if MB was planning on trading Kristo, he wouldn’t have told Kristo. And if he had told Kristo, I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t have told Corbin Knight. And if he had told Knight, I’m pretty sure Knight wouldn’t have leaked it to Roger Millions of all people…

    • B says:

      They are trading Kristo to the Islanders for Strome (so Kristo can be reunited with Brock Nelson). Anyone can make this stuff up like I just did.

      I read on a Flames site that Cammalleri has asked for a trade and some there speculated it could be back to Montreal for Kristo. When there is no real hockey news to report, it seems folks invent a bunch of stuff up to fill the void.

      –Go Habs Go!–

  56. habstrinifan says:

    Did I hear the following Boston news????

    a) Bergeron in hospital (since end of game 6) under observation. How recklessly stupid of everyone involved. Might sound cruel but if I were the insurers of his contract.. I would not cover costs were he to be seriously injured. This was outright stupidity.

    b) Ference wont be back as a Bruin???

    c) If Ferrence rumour is true expect Boston to be very active od draft day..possibly make a huge offer to move up.. and this means huge… to grab Jones IF(only IF)he falls below #3 as indications are he will.

    Imagine Hamilton Jones Subban Seguin etc … 3 years from now!

    • Chris says:

      The Bruins don’t need to move up to grab Jones. They’ve already got Dougie Hamilton, who is every bit Jones’ equal. They won’t sacrifice the depth that makes them an elite team.

      They were in the Stanley Cup Finals in a year where little went right. If they want to replace Chara (who I think will be there for another year or two…he’s ridiculously fit), they will do it via free agency or trade. They are an attractive destination because of the overall talent of the team.

      • habstrinifan says:

        The very same thinking you are using could support this move. With Chara there for 2 more years lets say, they bring along Hamilton and wait for Jones (he should be ready in max two years). Bruins bigest need, notwithstanding Hamilton, is replenish a CHARA less defense and also improving their D mobility.

        • Chris says:

          Yes, but securing a top-5 pick would deplete them of that depth that makes them great. The cost would almost certainly be Tyler Seguin. And I don’t see them doing that trade.

          • habstrinifan says:

            No not Seguin.

          • Chris says:

            Seguin would be the cost of moving into the top-5. He’s the only player that isn’t one of their core players right now that they give up that could get them there.

            Marchand, Lucic, Bergeron, Krejci, Chara, Rask and Hamilton form the core of that team. They aren’t going anywhere.

            Horton is a UFA.

            That leaves Seguin, Seidenberg, Boychuk, Caron and Krug as their other tradeable assets. Only one of those guys carries sufficient value to get you into the top 5, and that is Seguin.

            Trading a package of the other guys (it would take at least 2 plus picks from the rest of that list) robs them of the depth that Chiarelli clearly values. It won’t happen.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Including the Savard LTIR cap hit, the Bruins are 9.8M under the cap with 17 players signed. Three of their UFAs are Ference, Horton and RFA Rask. They may have to cut both Ference and Horton loose and then move on from there. Rask should land 6M a season. Maybe 6.5.

    • secretdragonfly says:

      Yikes, a punctured lung on top of everything else? Irresponsible, to say the least.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      I like Krug also.

  57. Sportfan says:

    Would anyone trust Feaster with the three first round picks they have?

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  58. secretdragonfly says:

    Jagr announces he won’t be back in Boston.

    http://www.rds.ca/hockey/lnh/jagr-jouera-ailleurs-1.635413

    Looks like Ference will no longer be a Bruin, either.

  59. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …everyOne here is slaphappy anticipating 25 and 3 second round selections

    …being the Dog with the bone lookin’ in the water kind of Guy I am, t’would be much more slaphappy having 3 first round selections as a Flames’ fan do, or in orgasm such as an Avalanche fan must be feelin’ at the moment :)

  60. The Dude says:

    Hey M.B.,How bout a trade involving Carey Price for MacKinnon.

  61. L Elle says:

    Instead of going through the hassle of selling homes, uprooting wives, kids, dogs, and packing various NHL memorabilia, and making the long trek coast-to-coast, why not just have Torts and AV leave everything as is, and just move into the other mans’ home?

    Might as well. Seems logical to me. ;)

  62. 24 Cups says:

    This is a list of consensus rankings that I have compiled from ten major sources that have posted entry level draft rankings for Sunday’s upcoming draft. This includes Bob McKenzie’s list from last night. I have found over the years that his list is by far and away the most accurate (with apologies to Craig Button as well as some bloggers who have delusions of grandeur:)

    1. Nathan MacKinnon
    2. Seth Jones
    3. Jonathan Drouin
    4. Aleksander Barkov
    5. Valeri Nichushkin
    6. Elias Lindholm
    7. Sean Monahan
    8. Darnell Nurse
    9. Rasmus Ritsolainen
    10. Nikita Zadorov
    11. Max Domi
    12. Alexander Wennberg
    13. Bo Horvat
    14. Hunter Shinkaruk
    15. Anthony Mantha
    16. Curtis Lazar
    17. Adam Erne
    18. Ryan Pulock
    19. Samuel Morin
    20. Zach Fucale
    21. Frederick Gauthier
    22. Joshua Morrissey
    23. Valentin Zykov
    24. Kerby Rychel
    25. Mirco Mueller
    26. Andre Burakowsky
    27. Robert Hagg
    28. Ryan Hartman
    29. Nicholas Petan
    30. Madison Bowey

    Add players such as Klimchuk, De La Rose, Dickinson, Bigras, McCarron, Compher, Poirier, Bailey and Theodore and you may well have examples of Montreal’s first three picks (I’m sure I’ve missed some obvious player!).

    ASSUMING that the draft follows this order, the Habs should be looking at defensemen such as Morrissey, Mueller or Hagg in the 1st round. As well, Ist round forwards would include Zykov, Rychel, Burakowsky or Hartman. Hard to tell if any of these guys would ever fall to the 34th spot. I somehow doubt it.

    When a team is drafting 25th, there really is no “best player available” in terms of making the next selection. There basically is a group of about five “best players available” so a team can then factor in specific needs, requirements or position into the mix. All of these players near the end of the first round will come with question marks as well as attributes; otherwise they would be in the top ten.

    A final point on the topic. Very few people have ever truly watched these teenagers play hockey. Even the so called pundits have to go on what they have read as well as some video. They may have watched specific players or leagues first hand but that’s about as good as it gets. Lastly, my favourite cliché after “best player available” is when a team states that they “had their pick rated much higher” once he has been selected. This can be substituted with “I can’t believe he was still available” when the team makes its pick. Of course the other 29 franchises know nothing when it comes to the draft (the exception being Calgary!)

  63. Lafleurguy says:

    From the nhl.com link above, four teams with multiple first round picks,
    Calgary, 6, 22, 28
    Columbus, 14, 19, 27
    Buffalo, 8, 16
    Dallas, 10, 29
    These guys are probably losing as much drool as HIO posters!

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      Buffalo with two good first round picks for the second year in a row

    • Chris says:

      I suspect both Calgary and Buffalo are feverishly trying to somehow get into the top-5, because after that the talent level drops off significantly. There are still good players, but those top-5 have the talent to be more sure-fire bets to be star players.

  64. Habitant in Surrey says:

    @Just A Guy

    …I’m in BC …yes, the Rangers will from here on in be one of Our more formidable opponents now they have a stable Vigneault

  65. The Dude says:

    So this cultural bullspit excuse must of led to the Laff’s not winning a Cup since 1967! Come -on…get real and stop blaming the FaNS ! Look, hate to ruin your day but the Fans pay the bills around Hab land and that’s all, Owners -Management- Scouting- Coaches- are responsible for the LACK of Vision and resourcefulness as well as timing needed to put on the Ice a long term winning line-up that is equipped for the rigors of the NHL. Montreal fked it up ‘BIG TIME’ when Scott Bowman was not allowed to take over the reigns. Serge Savard did a fair job and after that complete Morons who were trying to force their will on the game instead of working with the game of Winning . As for the Players they did their best…but always losing and not being in finals action due to 20 years of mismanagement destroys your MOJO,PERIOD! A GREAT WAY TO FIX ALL OF THIS IS TO START WITH ACCOUNTABILITY !

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Hi Dude. Whose day are you hating to ruin?

    • Just A Guy says:

      30+ years later, we get a Bowman disciple, better late then never I guess.

    • Chris says:

      You realize that Scotty Bowman actually did become an NHL general manager, right?

      Scotty Bowman took over the reins in Buffalo when he wasn’t given the Montreal job. From 1979-80 to 1986-87, he served as Buffalo’s GM.

      We don’t have to play the “What if Scotty Bowman had been allowed to be the GM?”. We can actually see exactly what Bowman did when given the opportunity.

      Bowman took over a similarly aging team in Buffalo that he would have inherited in Montreal. He took that inherited team to the Conference Finals in his first year as GM and coach. But after that his teams lost in the 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 1st, and 1st round. His last two seasons saw the Sabres miss the playoffs. His last season, 1986-87, saw the team he built finish last overall, costing him his job.

      The more that the team became Bowman’s, the less competitive that it became. Along the way, the Sabres had no stability in the head coach position: Bowman (1979-80), Roger Neilson (1980-81), Bowman (start of 1981-82), Jimmy Roberts (middle of 1981-82), Bowman (end of 1981-82), Bowman (1982-83, 1983-84, 1984-85), Jim Schoenfeld (half of 1985-86), Bowman (end of 1985-86, first 1/4 of 1986-87), Craig Ramsay (last 3/4 of 1986-87). It was a mess.

      That is Scotty Bowman’s real-live record as an NHL GM. Yet we still see people like you speculate that it would have been all different if he was given the reins in Montreal. Maybe it would…but given his mercurial personality, Bowman as a GM could have been an unmitigated disaster, where his penchant for temper tantrums could have resulted in some disastrous trades for the Habs.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Interesting that the accuser has no rebuttal for that. Perhaps it is still being developed.

        • Chris says:

          I just hate this “What if?” game that fans play. We see the types of players he drafted and the trades that he would make. I don’t see anything there that identifies him as any better than Grundman.

          He made some nice draft picks (Housley, Andreychuk and Barrasso) and drafted a lot of good role players. But he didn’t exactly hit any homeruns in Buffalo.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            He found his niche getting to be coach of an excellent Penguins team, he knew how to deal with stars. In Detroit, similar but different, and then he slid perfectly into a consulting role which he now does in Chicago.

            The knows more about hockey in his left hand than most others, but his best work has always been as a coach and part time GM / Consultant. It just is who he is.

        • The Dude says:

          Don’t be feeble minded…Bowman knew the Habs inside/out and in Buffalo had to start anew !

          • Chris says:

            There’s a lot of things that I can be accused of. Feeble minded isn’t generally one of them. :)

            I think you are seriously underestimating Scotty Bowman if you think that he did not know the roster of one of his divisional rivals inside and out.

            Bowman was astute enough that he probably knew as much or more about the players he was inheriting than the guy that he replaced. Their performance that first year certainly lends credence to the fact that he knew what he was getting.

          • ZepFan2 says:

            The only “feeble mind” here is you. You couldn’t carry Chris’ jockstrap.

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    • ont fan says:

      So I’m looking at Bowmans record the 7 years after he left the Habs. After 6 years of drafting in Buffalo he missed the playoffs and in his final year they ended up last. You beat me to it Chris.

  66. Whatever says:

    Huh.

    Didn’t know counting underarm hair was a test at the NHL combine.

  67. Just A Guy says:

    Listening to the team690 and they’re all over the Torts hiring. Sure its a canadian team and all, but I think lost on all this is that The Rangers now have a very, very good coach behind their bench in Vigneault. Anyone else slightly concerned now that the Rags have him?

  68. Lafleurguy says:

    The photos from the Combines didn’t do Seth Jones any favors.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  69. Timooo says:

    To those in the know….any idea of when sched will be released? Wondering about CH games in november.

  70. Timooo says:

    Guessing too much time on your hands?

  71. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Ooh yeah, baby!
    First, second and third!
    My own private HIO thread!
    Could it get any better?

    • Just A Guy says:

      haha, it must be evening somewhere. I have the day off today so looks like its time to take over.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Go for it JAG!
        Actually, I am cooking up an immense, long-winded theory with which to burden the thread, but I need to consult Hab-in-Burlington first. Better eat something sustaining…

  72. Dunboyne Mike says:

    “Charlie! Charlie! There’s nowhere to attach the tongs.”

  73. Dunboyne Mike says:

    BABY!!
    The summer is made!!


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