Lundqvist, Price: Full-contact goaltending

Following Henrik Lundqvist’s so-called “going Hextall” on Canadiens forward Max Pacioretty Saturday night, we offer video of that incident (with not entirely impartial commentary by MSG TV), as well as Carey Price’s famous almost-fight with St. Louis’s Cam Janssen last January. Both awesome videos.

Price was the author of his own misfortune, without a doubt. Janssen even tries to avoid him, even leaping, before running out of room, and Price might have been fortunate that Roman Hamrlik raced into the fray; Janssen arrived at the Bell Centre with 104 penalty minutes in his 30 games that season and might have mopped the ice with the Habs goalie. Then again…

As for Lundqvist, you can see Rangers’ Brandon Dubinsky give Pacioretty a shove into the New York goalie. Pacioretty, admittedly coming with a full head of steam, raises an arm to Lundqvist from his back as if to claim the collision wasn’t his fault – just before the goalie dives on him and begins pounding with his blocker with the Canadien in a vulnerable position.

The Rangers emerged from this on the power play: Pacioretty received four minutes: two for roughing and two for closing his hand on the puck while trying to control a rebound of Habs captain Brian Gionta’s original shot. Lundqvist, Dubinsky and Gionta got two each for roughing.

Which raises the judgment call that wasn’t made. Read NHL Rule 51.3 as posted here and discuss: should Lundqvist have received a match penalty for punching Pacioretty while wearing his blocker glove?

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33 Comments

  1. AH says:

    Worst officiated sports in the world: NHL Hockey  and World Cup Scoccer, but at the end of the day, who cares? If PG/Gainey, JM, and the Molson’s aren’t going to call out the NHL and that idiot Campbell over stuff like this then really what does it matter?, it’s just going to go on and on and on and on….

  2. Chris says:

    Basketball referees are routinely accused of “phantom” calls.  Football referees are often criticized for inconsistencies in calling pass interference, spotting the ball and missed or called holding penalties.  Even the false start vs. offside/encroachment calls are often questionable.

    And then there is baseball with the changing strike zone depending on umpire and the reputation of the pitcher.  Soccer referees are blasted in North America for falling for all the diving.

    Regardless of the sport, every team’s fans thinks the referees are incompetent when a bad call goes against them.  In reality, refereeing is a brutal job and one that I would never in a million years want to do.

  3. The Cat says:

    I dont agree that theyre competent, They sometimes call things based on what probably happened and not what they saw. name me an other sport where the refs often give phantom calls? They dont call lots of penalties because its the right thing to do or cause of the integrity of the game, league, etc, they do it cause it leads to an increase in goals and that pleases american fans.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  4. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    The NFL may have what I think is a dull static game, but they officiate well. I don’t get why officiating in the NHL is so poor, unless the answer is in the speed and flow of it all. I’ve met refs, and they were sincere, honest, competent guys, and yet in a game, it seems there is a lack of sharpness (to be polite) in what goes on. Zone refs calling every infraction? It would slow the game to an NFL crawl, but it would end the common belief the refs are unfair.

    The NHL is just so badly run. It’s hard to know where to start.

    How about call every penalty, and rescind the return after a goal rule? Make penalties really pay. With the diluted talent pool, scoring is a game killing issue. You want to raise scoring? The man in the box doesn’t get back until the penalty’s over. And the league tells the refs to make the calls. It would beat the crap out the shootout and bring back the 50 goal scorer.

  5. Exit716 says:

    Where did Pacioretty catch the puck? I didn’t see that at all. What a joke.

  6. Exit716 says:

    If the NHL officials can’t see Justin Williams taking out Koivu’s eye, what chance do they have of seeing an obvious match penalty?

     

  7. mbplekfan says:

    Pacioretty did the right thing by using his momentum and the little push from the defender as an excuse to crash the goalie. There has been too little of this in the past few years and its about time we had a disturber who could do more than talk trash (Lapierre).

    MaxPac is figuring out that his size and speed are competitive and he has nothing to fear in this league. He hits and crashes around and this time he got under a goalie’s skin. Good for him.

    Minor penalties are just that minor. I’d rather a penalty for running a goalie than hooking a player in the offensive zone. One is aggressive and the other is passive. We need to be more aggressive.

    Lundqvist was perfectly within his rights to fight back and if Max cant take a couple of blocker shots he should quit now. This is hockey not synchro diving.

     

  8. A. Berke says:

    It was clearly a case of Rule 51.3 and should have been a match penalty to lundqvist. And to add insult to injury we ended up one man short as the outcome (WTF?).

    I hope that the Habs (Management) forward their grievance (along with the video) to NHL and advise them also that this kind of partial officiating is wrong for the credibility of the league and is not acceptable. I, for one, am getting totally disgusted by seeing the team getting the short end of the stick almost exclusively.

    However, I’m not holding my breath with this management.

    Ali B.

  9. Rusty says:

    It was one of the worst referee decisions ever. It was like: “Yeah Henrik, they have peppered you with shots those nasty Canadiens so of course you have the right to release some frustration. And yeah, violence sells, this is what we instructed by the headquarters.”

    A Rangers D man shoves Max-Pac into his own goalie, Max-Pac shows with his arms and he can’t help what’s happening, the goalie goes berserk and NY gets the power-play. And then people wonder why there conspiracy theories.

  10. PeterD says:

    I loved that hit Price laid on Janssen…but Lundquist is a pussy for his response to Patches being pushed into him…

  11. mike g says:

    Well, I have to say I was that guy in the living-room screaming for a match penalty called on Henrik. The blocker punch was extreamly obvious, and like the rule states, if theres intent to injure with the blocker a match penalty will result; and i highly doubt Henrick tried to tickle Max.. But should it really surprise us that nothing was done?? This is the NHL guys, we should know by now…

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  12. misteral says:

    Yes, they are booted. NHL Rule 27.5:

    27.5 Match Penalty to Goalkeeper – Should a goalkeeper incur a match penalty,
    his place will then be taken by a member of his own Club, or by a
    substitute goalkeeper who is available, and such player will be allowed
    the goalkeeper’s full equipment.

    The match penalty, and any additional penalties assessed to the
    goalkeeper, shall be served immediately by a member of the team on the
    ice when the offenses were committed. This player shall be designated by
    the Manager or Coach of the offending team through the Captain.
    However, when the match penalty is coincidental with a match or major
    penalty to the opposing team, no player is required to proceed to the
    penalty bench to serve the goalkeeper’s match penalty.

  13. KenD29 says:

    Would love someone to bring this to John Tortorella’s attention and see how he reacts !

     

    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  14. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Reffing in the NHL is bush.  It’s a total joke.  The NHL is the red headed step child of the major pro sports.  And don’t give me this conspiracy crap, anyone with a functioning cerebral cortex can see the non/missed calls every time the habs play. 

  15. scott9002ca says:

    Yeah, I’m a minor hockey official, and i’ll tell you no matter how you call the game, and no matter how many penalties or few penalties or whatever standard, there’s always going to be two unhappy teams, and its just getting to be too frustrating. The money in reffing is shit, and it tires the crap out of you and saps away all your free time.

  16. scott9002ca says:

    Let’s throw a stone at them for every bad call after the game.

  17. scott9002ca says:

    I agree with you about missing the call, but he should have been subjected to supplementary discipline since the play called for a match penalty regardless of whether or not it was called. Same thing with the kostopolus hit (even though I don’t agree with the suspension), he wasn’t called for the match penalty, but he still got a whopping 6 games. thats the wheel of disclipline standard that colin applies.

  18. punkster says:

    Yes, rule 51.3 should have applied and a match penalty assessed, if and only if an official actually saw that blocker hand punch when it was thrown. That’s something we at home and those seeing the replays on the big board always forget.

    Now this will bring a chorus of “it’s plain as day” and “the replay doesn’t lie” and “the officials were right there how could they miss it”. Sure the call was missed but it was one punch, happened in the blink of an eye and could well have been missed by the officials who do not have an instant replay capability for penalties.

    Not trying to make excuses for NHL officiating which I think is inconsistent but does it really surprise anyone that a call gets missed because the official doesn’t see it?

    ***Subbang!!!***

  19. psyko514 says:

    The rules are pretty clear; Lundqvist deserved a match penalty.  The situation was made even more dangerous by the fact that Pacioretty had his back on the ice.  Had his helmet slipped off or up…

     

    Pretty unbelievable that the Rangers ended up on the PP after the melee.

  20. misteral says:

    I would love to see reporters in the ref’s locker room – or the ref’s reports of the game made public. In this case, I’d like to see what the referees were thinking in ignoring Lundqvist’s attack and giving the rangers a PP.

    The NHL doesn’t want people to go after the refs, but I think if there was this transparency, holding ref’s more accountable, they may try and make wiser decisions.

  21. redgorf says:

    NOBODY CAN UNDERSTAND THAT CALL. Like some fans point out Toronto seem to get many power plays near the end the game.Team fans rarely see things right.But severe rules like this one should never be over looked.

  22. habs913 says:

    if a goalie is assessed a match penalty, does he leave the game or a player that was on the ice leaves in bis place?

     

    GO HABS GO

  23. dickduff says:

    Hey you stole my picture….

  24. HNS says:

    Too bad the boys couldn’t put one past LumpQuest after his pissy fit. But you have to hand it to the J E T S JETS JETS JETS!!!!!!!!!!

  25. Big Ted says:

    I’ve said it already, but Lundqvist goes after Pacioretty when he is in a position that makes him vulnerable and he gives him at least one direct shot to the head with his blocker glove.

    The NHL suspended Ben Eager 4 games for punching Colby Armstrong in the head because they deemed that it was a gratutiout head-shot on an unassuming player. I do not see how Lundqvist’s gesture was any different. Yes, Lundqvist may have been upset that Pacioretty crashed into his crease but he was clearly pushed by Dubinsky, so there was no real reason why Lundqvist’s asttack was justified, and it thus becomes an unprecipitated attack on a defenseless player lying on the ice, and an attack that targeted the head.

    To me, the NHl needs to show some consistency with what they doled out to Eager, and that means suspending Lundqvist, particulary when the rule quoting the use of the blocker to the head suggests Lundqvist should have been awarded a match penalty, yet escaped not only with a measly minor but also led to his team earning a PP from the scrum.

    The refereeing in that situation was completely inadequate, as was the response from the NHL, who have shown again that they will only suspend players when they see fit and not by a league-wide standard.

  26. scott9002ca says:

    Was wondering that myself… but thanks to our nhl’s great justice system nothing will come of it. Actually I was looking for that clip and I couldn’t find it.

  27. Trenton_Romulox says:

    Ah, two entertaining videos. But yeah, Pacioretty definitely got knocked into Lundqivst and Lundqvist overreacted big time. But the Rangers definitely should not have gotten a power play out of that situation like they did, I think that was ridiculous. I’m not sure about the match penalty issue and Lundqvist, it’s hard for me to say he deserved a match penalty. Although, I mean, that’s what the rule dictates. 

  28. SeriousFan09 says:

    The Colin Campbell Wheel of Justice (TM) must be out for maintenance.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  29. gm50 says:

    I’ll bet it’s working just fine, but that he’s spun a “who gives a damn?”

  30. Number31 says:

    After dealing with a heck of a lot of crease crashing that night (and that period in general) against the Blues, at least Price dropped his gloves instead of trying to blocker someone in the head… (And was quickly stopped before engaging therefore didn’t technically punch anyone). Hilarious that Conklin got a “crossing the redline” penalty though. But I’ve yet to see a ref call that rule about the blocker punch. Was telling my friends about the rule in the bar, and we were amazed the Rangers actually got a powerplay out of that whole sequence.

    Thomas did the same things against the Caps in a game last year and nothing happened as well…

  31. Mark C says:

    Let’s not forget Tim Thomas taking out AK46 a few years ago, don’t think he even got 2 minutes for this attack.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHTshC6ohXY&playnext=1&list=PL0CD6F00996456F4D&index=2

  32. HabFanSince72 says:

    At no time in my 35+ years of watching hockey have the officials felt bound by the rule book. They make decisions based on some combination of hunch, the current score, the players involved, and their personal grudges with said players.

     

    Here, they obviously decided the Canadiens started the whole brou-haha so the penalties had to somehow add up so that the Rangers got a powerplay. Thus the preposterous call for closing the hand on the puck. It was just a convenient way of arriving at the outcome they wanted.

     

    The NHL is a bush league when it comes to officiating. Rules are not applied consistently, and this comes all the way from the top. With lawyers running the show, you expect fair play?

     

    I know of no other sport where Lundquist’s actions would not lead to a dismissal from the game.

  33. CHsam says:

    Oh… I’m afraid the Habs Inside/Out server will be quite operational when your friends arrive… MwAHAAHAH



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