Long night on the Island

DiPietro

The Canadiens have a team meeting Friday morning at 11 at their practice facility in Brossard.
There will be much to discuss after that loss to the Islanders, with the red-hot Rangers visiting the Bell Centre on Saturday.
And the Hockey Inside/Out Summiteers do their thing this weekend.

Pat Hickey’s game story

Quotes from the room

Red Fisher remembers Eddy Palchak

Hickey on the Chara “case”

Pierre Ladouceur’s game report card

Alex Henry and the Bulldogs are in town

219 Comments

  1. One gets frustrated as to why no Price last night. Carolina gave him a light night in goal and thus could have appeared against the Islanders. We need the points. JM plays Gomez far too much, and thus mixes the line combinations…this westcoast fan can’t keep up. Keep Gomez on the fourth line. He looked good with #15 and Darche so, Why promote him? just because he gets a higher paycheck than the rest of the squad? Terrible decision to give him valuable ice time. We needed to push before there were four minutes left in the game. Consequently we ran out to of time. I had praise for Emelin prior to this. We need Markov back to drive home North American practices and techniques. Hitting is one thing, but passing it instinctively to nobody…yikes. Hopefully food for thought such a loss, and move on to bigger and better opponents. With coaching such as it is – JM claims that we have the talent to win “our fair share of games”. Me guess in this case, he assessed that last night’s against the Isles wasn’t one to have.

  2. VintageFan says:

    Throwing two points out the window was the result of Bad Management. Bad hockey too, sure. But throwing a mediocre backup goalie behind a d-corps with an average of about 3 games NHL experience sends the message that this game is no big deal. And that is exactly the performance that resulted. No leadership – not from the GM, not from the coach, and not from the Captain.

  3. HabsFan1111 says:

    We’ve been a jekyl and hyde team since this core was assembled, is anyone really surprised?!? They follow up their best game of the year with arguably their worst … this is becoming sadly predictable.

  4. Hammer says:

    Just heard on TSN radio where Bergeron says the Habs should trade PK straight up for Staal out of Carolina. This is why the goo… is on the radio instead of behind a bench or GM. Don’t you think the Habs have learnt their lesson by giving up the kid in NYR for Gomez.

  5. nellis13 says:

    Not only is Gomez not scoring, he can’t seem to pass anymore either. He’s playing with no confidence or he just doesn’t giv a f*&$ anymore.
    I like the new Webber. He’s shown a bit of grit over the last few games.
    What happened to the DD MP EC line?

  6. Mattyleg says:

    Uhh…
    Is it just me, or did the other thread just vanish?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  7. Sakus Evil Twin says:

    Must watched a different game last night – I thought Gomez had one of his better ones… he went to the net, skate to the net and made some set ups that his linemates wouldn’t cash in. Sure, there were a couple of giveaways, but no worse than DD, who I thought was just god-awful last night…

    My point being that if Gomez continues to do what he did last night, his line mates will score, and he might even too (there’s a thought).

    Boone said it best yesterday when he paraphrased his Euro friend when he said that Gomez confuses. Last night I thought he did the predictable things right…

    Am I dreaming?

    Now bash away.

    No answers, just opinions. Bite me. Och.

  8. The Pickle says:

    Tony, you keep bringing up the fact that he averaged 14 goals a year but goal scoring was never his game. He was a playmaker. That’s like complaining Gretzky didn’t have better hit totals. Not his game. You also discard the fact that he was decimated by injuries his entire time here, how many full seasons did he play? And why are you placing the blame for not winning any cups solely on him? He never once had a legit contender around him.

  9. habMAINEac says:

    My beloved Habs are a mediocre team at best. Inconsistent play, failure to draft/develop good players, failure to retain those good players and failure to having a succesful playoff recrod in the last 18 years to me is a clear indication some major change is needed.

    People say hockey has changed and it is now a business instead of a game. Well guess what! Mediocre businesses either fail or barely survive…and that is exactly where our team is headed.

    What would be the business solution? Revamping of business plans and/or re-organization of the system. We need to slightly adjust our culture by pursuing excellence through setting of high goals and holding people accountable so our product would be attractive to the customer base (the fans).

    We can not shoot for perfection, and certainly will suffer from occasional bad decisions -whether trades or drafts, etc. But for so many years failing to achieve anything of significance is not acceptable.

    One of the guys had written that we play to the opponent’s level. That is so true. We suck against bad teams, we’re kinda ok against good teams…lose some win some…might make it to playoffs. Our best being “mediocre” we’re always going to be in the middle of the pack. Guys, if we don’t aim for the cup we’re wasting our time!!!! Why is it that our management team is blind to this fact? A solid team is like the Pens who still win frequently without their top players in the lineup.

    My suggestions:
    * Stop aiming just for the playoffs, and start aiming for the cup
    * Don’t always be happy with squeazing one-goal wins here and there and instead go for dominating games
    * We have to have size and skill. Gomez has neither…so please trade his butt to another team that can appreciate his lack of contribution. Trade him plus AK and a second rounder for Rick Nash.
    * Get a big and mean D man into the mix who can play and can be intimidating when needed
    * Whenever JM is out, let’s hire a coach whose hiring is based on experience/skill/passion versus whether he can speak French or not
    * Hold our players and management accountable for their performance. I mean if it’s a business but they’re not performing properly then something needs to be done about it. Of course I am against hasty decisions, and against not giving enough chances.
    * Allow linemates adequate time to gel with each other

    Mediocre teams work at their best; teams seeking excellence strive to do better.

    • Tony McLean says:

      Thank you.
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      Little giants: Henri Richard, Mats Naslund, Yvan Cournoyer, Aurel Joliat, Howie Morenz, Guy Carbonneau, Newsy Lalonde.

    • J_P says:

      Im not saying I agree with all your points, but I had nothing against your post until I read trade gomez, ak and a second for rick nash. If that’s all it would take to get rick nash a) our GM should immediately be fired for not getting it done and b) columbus’ gm should immediately fired for getting a terrible return.

      I love reading a lot of these “fantasy” trade proposals. Easiest thing, put yourself in the other GM’s shoes. If you wouldnt trade nash for gomez, AK and a second rounder, chances are a professional NHL gm wouldn’t either.

      • habMAINEac says:

        J_P
        Was just trying to give a hypothetical example. You’re right. I am not a GM and not sure whether that idea makes any sense or not.
        :)

        Mediocre teams work at their best; teams seeking excellence strive to do better.

  10. rhino514 says:

    Spacek in sweats is not a good sign.
    Any word on gill? They desperate need a veteran D back and soon or the hill will get very tough to climb…

  11. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Gionta-Pleks-Cammy
    Patches-DD-Cole
    Moen-Eller-Palushaj (AK46 when healthy)
    Darche-Nokia-Blunden (White when healthy)

    And with the extra salary, grab a solid 15 – 25 goal scorer to play on the 3rd line in place of Moen. Tuomo Ruttu (?). Then when White is back, sit Darche and you have White-Nokia-Moen.

    Seems simple enough…….

  12. SmartDog says:

    5 QUESTIONS:

    1. What happened last night:
    a. The young players were over-confident after the shut-out
    b. Habs went out to “Billy Dean’s Showtime Cafe” for lunch
    c. They caught slackers disease from the Canes
    d. Martin sucks. Budaj sucks. Habs suck… ARRGGGHHH!!!!

    2. Who is our 2nd best center? Why?

    3. If it were up to you, what would you do with Gomez?
    a. Keep him
    b. Bury him in the minors
    c. Buy him out (now or at season’s end)

    4. If the Habs dive, who gets the first bullet – PG or JM?

    5. As suggested below, does the team just need a good “pearning”? And a related bonus questions: should assistant coaches be issued red shirts?

    SD

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    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      1) Hate to say it, but Budaj wasn’t good enough. End of story.
      2)Right now, has to be DD. Why? Because he gets more icetime than Eller (not undeservedly, just does. I think they’re both promising young guys)
      3)Minors. This team is rich, they can afford it. Imagine what we could do with 7 million in cap space with all the struggling teams looking to make changes out there?
      4)Both. But not till next year. Won’t happen during the season.
      5)I actually think the team is fine. Only 3 points out of the division lead, PP close to getting a HUGE boost. Carey is playing well, they’re scoring. Just need to shore up a bit on D and they’re contending. Not many teams in the League dominate anymore. The name of the game is contend and get hot at the right time. Way too early to Pearn.

      • SmartDog says:

        Tough pill to swallow but I agree about Budaj. The strolls behind the net… I mean WTF? Get caught one time being slack, well duh-uh but okay. But to go back and do it again. Just dumb.

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        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

        • Ghosts of the Forum says:

          Yep. And Streit’s goal too. Granted, a stupid play by Emelin, but with the depleted D core playing back-to-back, have to expect some dumb plays to be made. And a one-handed flip the puck goal is a save he should’ve made to bail out his teammate.

          But, like I said, if/once our PP is going, this team will be a lot better and will battle for the division and if not win it, finish in the 5-7 hole. I’m feeling good about them. Should’ve/Could’ve won last night. Such is life. Next.

          • Tony McLean says:

            That’s all legitimate criticism but the forwards didn’t exactly excel either. Plenty of blame to go around.
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            Little giants: Henri Richard, Mats Naslund, Yvan Cournoyer, Aurel Joliat, Howie Morenz, Guy Carbonneau, Newsy Lalonde.

    • Danno says:

      I blame it all on Dial-a-Bug

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      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

    • kempie says:

      1. The adrenal glands had been squeezed dry from the night before, midnight flight, tougher team, minutes caught up to guys like PK & JG. Budaj didn’t help.

      2. DD because of ice time only. I want to see Eller in his spot but, because the line is working right now and because Eller does seem to have a bit of Poulyitis concerning minor penalties it won’t happen for a while.

      3. Minors. Guys, I’m a patient man but damn Scotty.

      4. Oh JM no doubt about it. I honestly think PG had been pretty good depending on how the Markov/Emelin/Wizniewski gamble turns out. Martin is just straight up outta his mind. Plus JM was not really a PG hiring so he’s entitled to fire his coach at least once.

      5. Pearn baby pearn. Let Randy & Randy drive this thing back to the garage while we figure out what to do.

    • J_P says:

      1. Last night’s loss was a goaltending loss. He gave up some brutal ones, and just when we were coming back, he let in another softy. Can’t afford goaltending performances like that against desperate teams, although the habs probably should of attacked them harder in the first to put them away early.

      2. David Desharnais just on the merit of sheer stats, but it could be Eller. Eller is just being brought down by gomez right now. If eller got a shot between patches and cole, I think he would be stellar as well.

      3. Bury in the minors. Molson can afford to pay him his remaining 10 million to give us that $7.3 million of cap space over the next two years. Buying him out is something the owner of a smaller market team would do to save on having to pay real dollars. If the habs buy out gomez, I will forever lose my faith in Geoff Molson’s as clearly his desire to make money trumps his desire to win.

      4. It should be PG, but PG didnt hire Martin so he will at least get one coaching change to turn it around.

      5. No, the team just needs to find consistency. We already had a pearning.

      Truth is, we’ve been a lot better over the last 10 games. Its just we started off so poorly that it hard’s to see that in our overall record.

  13. adamkennelly says:

    what we all should have learned after the game last night – is that Carolina is really really really bad….Gomez has got to go – not sure why its such a hard decision – we didn’t sign him to that contract – bury him in the minors and pray someone grabs him on re-entry….he pretty much sucks.

    • SmartDog says:

      What? Gomez sucks? I’m glad I didn’t say that, I’d get trashed for it.

      Of course, 50 other people have said the same thing… today. Why it’s taken so long for the obvious to be clear I really don’t get.

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    • mdp2011 says:

      why would put him on re-entry waivers, so the Habs can be stuck with half his cap hit for the next 2 years? If he is sent down, then he should stay down until the end of the year, they should not put him on re-entry.

    • J_P says:

      We didnt sign him to that contract, yes, but we did even worse, we traded a solid asset for it.

      The only person dumber than glenn sather, is the idiot who actually gives a solid young player to acquire such a ridiculous contract. The rangers should have been giving us picks and prospects just to take it.

  14. The Pickle says:

    Tony, did Koivu cost you a bet or something? Koivu had more heart than any of those guys you mentioned. For Christ’s sake the guy came back from insanely advanced cancer and played the same year. Have you ever heard the story of his treatment? The treatment that they gave him was so aggressive they only agreed to it because he was a pro athlete, any normal person’s body wouldn’t have been able to take it. And he came back and played. The same season. That’s completely insane. The guy is probably the biggest Warrior the NHL has ever seen. He also produced the single most touching moment in the over 100 year history of the Habs. He was fearless on the ice, gave his all every shift. Before you call him over rated, look at the linemates he had to play with here. He didn’t look so over rated while ripping it up with Teemu playing for Finland. If you want proof of how important he was to the team, just look at how they folded like a cheap suit against Carolina after he went down with the eye injury.

  15. Old Bald Bird says:

    Is there a song called “Forbidden”? If so, it should be made the theme song for this website. I guess the server’s hamsters have to take a water break every now and then though.

  16. Danno says:

    What this team needs is another good Pearning.

    It’s like a rose bush. You need to prune it regularly in order to promote vigorous growth and beautiful blooms.

    Pearn now. Pearn often.

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    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  17. Timo says:

    Is it going to take another female journalist to ask WTF is Gomez still getting ice time?

  18. Hoegarden says:

    Gomez is about to hit the 50 game mark without potting one. The fire alarm system at the Bell has been set to go off every time he hits the ice following this wonderful achievement.

  19. Timo says:

    I hope they will be discussing the coach and WHEN (not if) he will be removed. One can dream, right?

    Funny how it is almost a consensus now re Martin. Really funny.

  20. Mattyleg says:

    Mornin’ all.
    Frustrating game last night, fo’ sho’.

    I couldn’t believe that Gomer was on in the last minute. Couldn’t fudging believe it. All he had done ALL GAME was skate in and give the puck away. Which is what he did all last season.f

    I’m pretty sick of JM for a number of reasons, but there are two things I’d like to know:

    1) If Randy’s in charge of Special Teams, why do people keep saying that JM is putting Pleks on the point? Does anybody have any actual proof that it’s JM’s decision? Not defendin’ just askin’.

    2) Let’s say that Jeffy “Three Beer” Molson decides he’s as sick of JM as the rest of us, and cans his arse. Who is out there that is better? I will not accept Carbo or Therrien as acceptable answers.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • wd40 says:

      I KNOW. I KNOW. IT’S MAKING ME CRAZY! AHAHHHHHAAHAHA.

    • shiram says:

      Roy is a popular answer.
      As for your first question, Pleks was on the point under Pearn too, so who knows?

      Randy for HC!

      • Mattyleg says:

        My. God.
        Imagine King Patrick as coach of the team he stormed away from.
        Yipes. That would be absolute death.
        Honestly, who is there? Bob Hartley? Paul Maurice in two weeks? Ted Nolan? Help me out here, people!

        Yeah, good point about Pleks.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • shiram says:

          Heh, it would be entertaining, his pressers and such would be more alive than JM’s for sure.

          Randy for HC!

          • Mattyleg says:

            TSN would have to start a new segment called “When Coaches Attack,” starring Roy. They could get Mathieu Schneider and dress him up as a reporter, and get him to ask questions. They could invite him to L’Antichambre to chat with Mario.
            It’s true, the possibilities are endless.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Tony McLean says:

          Larry Robinson? Jacques Lemaire?

          No more coaches with zero NHL coaching experience.
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          No cup since 1993. No dynasty since 1979. Yeah things are swell.

    • Tony McLean says:

      Larry Robinson.

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      No cup since 1993. No dynasty since 1979. Yeah things are swell.

      • Mattyleg says:

        As much as I loved Big Bird, the reason he stepped down from his coaching position in NJ is because he couldn’t take the pressure, and it affected his health.
        Do you think that he’d actually feel less pressure in Montreal?

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Tony McLean says:

          That was right after the death of his brother. He chased Bob Gainey for a year and a half re: an assistant coaching position with the Canadiens and Gainey would not even return his calls so he returned to the Devils where he is again an assistant coach with them. He would love coaching PK, Beaulieu et al.
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          No cup since 1993. No dynasty since 1979. Yeah things are swell.

    • JF says:

      I have a lot of criticisms of Jacques Martin as well, especially concerning his choice of personnel at key moments. But overall he’s not doing a bad job considering all the injuries. And unfortunately, even leaving aside the French language requirement, I don’t think there’s anyone at all currently available who would be better. I mean there may be a rising star somewhere in junior, but if so, we don’t know about it. If JM is fired, the Habs would have to offer a long-term contract to someone else. When they reach that point, I want them to be certain they’re getting the guy they want. It would be disastrous to fire JM out of panic and hand over the team to someone just because he’s available and speaks French.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Yeah, for sure. Even putting the French thing aside (which I hope they do) there’s not a lot of options. I agree that we shouldn’t make a knee-jerk decision, but scout someone out and go get them.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • J_P says:

      1) the head coach has the final decision. If hes truly opposed to it, all he has to do is say so. If he doesnt, well its his fault. Can’t blame your subordinate when you are fully aware of what’s going on and fail to act (even though most bosses do so anyways).

      2) Plenty of candidates, the question is if the habs are committed to winning, or committed to appeasing the french media. Frankly, I dont think french fans could care less if the coach was french speaking or not. Even if they do initially, winning can fix those sentiments real quick.

  21. wd40 says:

    I have no issue with Budaj in nets last night, but down a goal at the end of the 3rd, WTF is JM doing with Gomez on the ice. It’s making me CRAZY!

  22. Habsolutely says:

    Leavin for the Bahamas in a few hours for some snorkelling with Sting Rays and deep sea fishing. Gonna miss the game against the Rangers Sat. Hope the team plays better than they did last night. Just talked to my sister in Canada, and she told me they just got some snow in Nova Scotia, I told her I’d think about that when I was on the beach, she wasn’t too happy. :lol:

  23. HabFanSince72 says:

    Why doesn’t JM play Emelin? He’s such a moron!
    Why doesn’t JM play Emelin? He’s such a moron!
    Why doesn’t JM play Emelin? He’s such a moron!
    Why doesn’t JM play Emelin? He’s such a moron!
    Why doesn’t JM play Emelin? He’s such a moron!
    Why doesn’t JM play Emelin? He’s such a moron!
    Why doesn’t JM play Emelin? He’s such a moron!
    Why doesn’t JM play Emelin? He’s such a moron!
    Why didn’t JM bench Emelin? He’s such a moron!

    • ed lopaz says:

      if JM had been playing Emelin since we started asking him to play,

      I guarantee you that he would have been more confident last night,

      and likely would have made much better, calmer decisions.

      And if Emelin is as bad you say he is,

      than we might want to consider what kind of absolute incompetence is suggested by Gauthier literally chasing after Emelin and his agent for all of these years.

      I think Emelin can become a fine NHL player.

      He needs to play through some growing pains and mistakes.

      lucky for him Martin has no choice, because of injuries he will play.

      • Hoegarden says:

        With the strong possibility that Gill and Spaceman will not be offered new contracts next year, fans should expect to have Emmy on full time duty.
        Hoping that he does not turn out to be a Valentenko 2.0.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Ed – my post had nothing to do with Emelin.

      • G-Man says:

        Emelin played in a league that allows him more time and space. He and we are finding out just how poor the KHL is in comparison to the NHL.
        He will get better, but he is still very green.
        NHL coaches are paid to win, not “develop” players. The AHL is there for that.

  24. Mats Naslund says:

    Leaving for the airport in about an hour and a half. Can’t wait to be in Montreal again and I’m glad we got that stinker out of the way so we can score 10 or 12 on the Rangers Saturday night!

  25. Chris F says:

    Throughout the year lots of teams play stinkers. Carolina did last game at the Bell. Except what our Habs did in NY was worse, because it is early in the year but a win on the Island could have set us up nicely to be firmly in the playoffs by the end of the weekend.
    This loss has to go on the shoulders of the coach.
    It was a very important game, 8-8, is not 9-7 with the chance to go 10-7 on Saturday night.
    Yes we have very young D, and yes we looked tired and mentally out of it, this is when coaches make their money. Do whatever you have to in order to ensure your players understand what is expected to get a win against the last place team in the league. The players are to blame yes, but they didn’t look prepared. It should have been the perfect time to give it all, with a day off coming on Friday. JM is not a motivator, and this is a problem. If asked he would probably say his players are men, not childeren, and they shouldn’t need motivation from an exterior source like the coach. I guarantee this is what he would say.
    Pathetic loss, pathetic. And someone should be held accountable, and that someone should be JM.
    I’m tired of the shoulder shrug, within the first 5 minutes any atom coach could see the team wasn’t into it.
    Brutal.

    • sevenman says:

      ” could have set us up nicely to be firmly in the playoffs by the end of the weekend.”……buddy, it’s only November. Why are you even talking playoffs?

      • Chris F says:

        Take it Easy. I’m not your buddy. I just mean top eight. We have to start somewhere.
        Take a deep breath. It’s Friday. Man, do you enjoy having the team sit in 12th???

  26. Duke_Rauol says:

    I didnt hear it, but a friend of mine said after the Canes game it was announced that the Habs signed Gallager to a enrty level contract. Is this true and does that mean he can join the Dogs when the Giants season ends?

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  27. Bugs says:

    Diaz put in a stanker last night, huh? Ah well, bound to happen. Still totally believe in the guy. Utmost faith in him.
    Just someone tell’m not to eff up ever again and it’s all good.
    Emelin…is like….is like…can’t quite define it…I…I…I mean…who IS this guy? Who IS he? What is he doing? I don’t know. I saw him laying down some smackdown against the Caners and last night, he was on the bench and I don’t know what’s going on, honest. Who IS this guy? I don’t know who he is. He’s like a poltergeist who keeps to itself and only topples cutlery with the occupants’ insistence. Very mysterious fellow.
    And St-Denis, my goodness. Chompin at the bit, this guy was, huh? Must wait to see how he consistently fares of course but pretty sound all in all, can lay into guys, and not afraid to shoot either. Very, very interestarating.
    And how ’bout that Dezzy? I should pay more attention to him…

    Back from the Brink’s boasts L. B. Potter, esq.

  28. ed lopaz says:

    I have to laugh at all of you who are still protecting this coach.

    After 30 years of NHL experience, he is still making terrible decisions which cost his team wins.

    Not having Max and Cole on the ice in the final minute – actually pulling the goalie and replacing him with Gomez???

    Is this something that you Martin lovers can explain??

    Because you are so “frustrated” when we post on HIO that Martin makes mistake after mistake.

    So how about it?

    How about someone posting here a logical, 30 years of NHL experience explanation for keeping your 2 most dangerous players on the bench AND….instead…. letting Gomez jump on the ice as the 6th attacker?

    • shiram says:

      Not defending JM, or Gomez, but someone said Gomez might get the ice time and PP time to try and pad his stats, so he can more easily be traded.
      Of course, we have seen the results of that…

      Randy for HC!

      • ed lopaz says:

        I appreciate your reply Shiram, but the coach is trying to “win the game”, of course, because that is his job.

        “padding” stats to make a trade??

        no way that is entering into the decision making process.

        • Stev.R says:

          I didn’t get to see the end of the game because my stream stalled, but didn’t he win the faceoff at the end of the game?

          • shiram says:

            He was good on faceoffs, for sure, won 8 out of 10, but if that’s his only talent, he should be a 4th line C.

            Randy for HC!

        • shiram says:

          Who knows what goes on between JM, PG and Molson?
          I’m not saying it’s true, but it’s a possibility.
          And it would make more sense than saying JM plays Gomez because he is awesome.

          Randy for HC!

        • bel33 says:

          I’ve tried all year to give Gomez the benefit of the doubt. His ability to get the puck into the offensive zone… skate through the neutral zone.. etc. But he’s in a Hal Gill / Mike Commie-serik scoring zone. Something has to be done…. obviously… what that is… is a more complex problem.

          Anyhow.. I’m now in the fire JM camp… and I have based it solely on the bad decisions that have seemed to become more evident and frequent lately. Am I an NHL level coach…. no… but I think a lot of us can see some things that seem off, and aren’t being addressed. Granted we’re not privy to all the conversations that happen behind closed doors and in the upper offices of the Bell Centre. But sometimes change… just needs to happen.

          My two cents…

      • LA Loyalist says:

        In the last minute of a game I can THEORETICALLY see putting Gomez out to help protect a lead, he can still skate and clear the zone to a degree.

        But when we are behind? Just another nail in the coffin of JM.

        What time is the funeral?

        The problem is we don’t have the luxury of time. We’ve lost too many games already this year.

  29. joshua94k says:

    Pat Hickey called Air Canada pin heads for trying to withhold sponsorship of the NHL if they don’t look into stopping illegal hits, especially concussions. He sounds like Don Cherry.

    At least they took a stand and others joined in when the NHL closed their eyes. The Chara hit was not a hockey play, it was clearly a reckless play that could have been avoided. Hits to the head are on the rise. The NHL had a chance to send a message when Miller got hit and once again, did nothing.

    “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

  30. RGM says:

    You’re funny. You may not like the personnel but the fact is that with a healthy roster this is a top-ten defence in the National Hockey League. The Habs finished 8th in overall D numbers last year, and that was without Markov & Gorges for a good chunk of the season. The blue line corps, combined with Carey Price, make this squad one of the best defensive teams in the League. Easily capable of being a contenders and one of the best D corps of any playoffs team going forward.

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    • habsnyc says:

      There is a big difference between having a top 10 goalie and a top 10 defense. If the defense was so good last year, why did the team drop four of the eight denfensemen they used in the playoffs?

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  31. Marcusman says:

    So why didn’t Price play last night, who made that decision. When on a roll do what you can to stay on the said roll. Not like Price has played a to of hockey in the past month. Also…with Max, DD and Cole tearing it up lately why oh why didn’t they play 18-20 mins…JM is the least consistent part of our team. Say what you want about doing a great job working through the injuries…but he’s horrible at figuring out the “Hot Hand” and running with it. He has to go.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      We have 4 games in 6 nights.

      You’d start Price for all 4 games?

      Budaj has to play one and last night’s game made the most sense.

      • Marcusman says:

        He’s 24 yrs old.. in perfect shape. tough kid from the BC interior ..it’s 60 minutes of hockey….yes I’d start him in all four games.. he’s our STARTING goalie…my point was a momentum thing… they just got it by banking the Canes 4-0 ….

    • Stev.R says:

      Not to mention Budaj has been good in his two starts this year, and they didn’t get into New York until 4 am.

  32. shiram says:

    Budaj had 2 good games, and last night a bad one, so he’s the worst goalie in the league, sure.
    If you can’t judge a team based on 3 games, does the same apply to a player?
    Emelin made mistakes, and they we’re costly, so he should not play anymore, right? Well maybe he still needs to learn how to play on North American ice, the question is does the organization allow him to learn from his mistake?
    He is an asset to this team, should we let him go for nothing?

    Habs are a bubble playoff team, with some bad luck they won’t make the playoffs, and with some luck they will make the playoffs, I don’t get how anyone can say this is not so, or expect better results.

    Randy for HC!

    • Chrisadiens says:

      I hate to say it, but knowing JM, if we get a healthy body back on D, Emelin will sit until we lose again.

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

      • shiram says:

        What about St-Denis, don’t you think they’ll send him back down to the AHL first?

        Randy for HC!

      • Flex Aarnell says:

        If you only play Emelin half the games and he plays like he did against Carolina every time he suits up, I’ll take it.

        I hope JM makes him watch the footage from both games so he can see what made him effective against Carolina and what hurt him against New York.

        Then he sits against the Blueshirts, gets two solid practices and comes back in time to rock Marchand or Seguin on Monday night, refreshed.

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  33. habsfan_61 says:

    first, welcome to all out of towners and have a good time. must join you folks one day.

    second, anyone hear frankie gagnon state he would trade eric staal straight up for pk?course to accomodate staal’s salary we would have to dump unowho.

  34. Duke_Rauol says:

    So some people think we should give Gomez the benefit of being a player who cares. He has never shown that to me as a Hab. When a team is struggling to get into the playoff picture, and you refuse to goto the dirty areas of the ice and make blind passes to no one just to avoid contact, it shows me he doesnt care if the Habs win. I see a player collecting a pay check.

    Sending him to the AHL maybe a bit drastic, but why not the pressbox? And i understand we have a depleted lineup , but if White could go sat, would JM sit Gomez?

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  35. habsnyc says:

    Fair points, though neither the offense nor the defense is good enough to contend. I am stunned that some fans think this is the best roster since 1993.

    It does not matter if the team wins or loses, so long as Pax, PK and Price improve. They are the future. Gil, Gomez, Gionta will not be with the team when it contends. To your final point, the organization needs to preserve assets to contend, not fritter them away to lose in the first round of the playoffs.

    Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  36. SeriousFan09 says:

    Max Pacioretty has 9G, 7A so far this season. The only person outscoring him from his draft class is 1st overall pick Patrick Kane.

    Remember when he was a bum who couldn’t score at the NHL level? Good times. Respect the development process or risk looking the fool.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • Tony McLean says:

      Didn’t we lose last night to the Islanders?
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      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Tony I don’t know if this is news but Dynasty in the NHL died over 20 years ago. Expecting one to be forged here or anywhere is frankly, ludicrous.

        - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • Tony McLean says:

          Loser talk. Invoking Saku Koivu’s name as one of the greats is also ludicrous. Zero cups, avg 14 goals a year, what a terrible era.
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          No cup since 1993. No dynasty since 1979. Yeah things are swell.

          • 44har48 says:

            I’m with you and I’m not happy we haven’t won a cup in many years, but we don’t need to resort to abusing drugs. Please step back from the crack pipe, that s%^& is no good for you.

            Saku was not a legend and we won’t see his jersey in the rafters, but he gave this team everything he had night in and night out with very little talent around him. Given this, and of course his character, he deserves much better than this.

          • LA Loyalist says:

            Hockey is a team game. Ovechkin and Kovalchuk don’t have Cups either, and they are arguably the two best players in the game today.

            Saku gave everything, an eye-ball and the prime of his career and put up with a lot of bullsh*t management that we probably don’t even know about.

            Watch his goal against Lundqvist and the Rangers to win the Habs greatest ever comeback game.

            My kid is 8 and wears #11 for Koivu. He is the stud first line center on both his teams, he not only scores, he skates his ass off to backcheck, plays PK and PP and when his team has a lead to protect, the coach will play him on D.

            That’s how I’ve taught him, to play hard like Saku Koivu. And my kid donates $5 for each goal he scores to charity. He knows Saku helped raise $6 M for the MRI machine in Montreal.

            You are 1,000% in the minority. Look at the ovation Saku Koivu got last January when he played with the Ducks in Montreal.

            we probably shouldn’t respond to your posts, but new posters should know where most Habs fans stand on this subject.

          • LA Loyalist says:

            We do remember Beliveau and the pantheon. The one things that made Habs special was the handing of the torch from each Captain to the next, each generation to the next, and Saku was an honorable link in that chain. He left it all on the ice.

            If you want to blame anyone, blame management. The management that cost us Roy and god knows who else.

            As for Dynasties, it can’t be done with a cap. Look at Chicago. But we should consistently be higher than we are and with a shot every spring, but that’s on bad management and bad coaching.

            Our focus should be on surrounding PK and Price, Pleks and Max with a good team and not wasteing their prime like we wasted Koivu’s.

          • Tony McLean says:

            If he gave everything and the result was an average of 14 goals a year, zero cups and all those team-killing stupid chippy penalties then you just proved my point.
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        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Loser talk? You are claiming a dynasty can be built in the modern NHL. Ease off the medication. It’s clearly an overdose issue.

          And this whole small-minded crusade you wage against me for respecting Saku Koivu is quite frankly, the saddest thing I’ve seen on this site in a long time.

          - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • RGM says:

            Don’t feed the troll. It doesn’t matter how good one of our top under-25 players is faring individually, we haven’t won a Stanley Cup in November ever!!!!!!

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          • Tony McLean says:

            No that’s what you *say* I’m claiming. Read it again. You’re projecting some hidden meaning or vast right wing conspiracy when all it means is it’s been a long LONG time since we had excellence here. You’re one of those who “settles.” I could say more about Koivu because that was a sad era but people just have to go to hockeydb.com. You’re entitled to pick anyone you want as your favourite player but if you pick a relative disappointment, an overrated player and write something pretentious like “I shall always remember” as if he’s from Mount Olympus, well that speaks volumes about your judgement of players and the game itself. Why don’t you remember Beliveau or Lapointe or Lafleur or Cournoyer?
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          • SeriousFan09 says:

            You named three players who retired before I was born and one who’s peak was over before I was a few months old. Koivu was the guy I grew up with, he sacrified everything for the team, was a great philanthropist and never took a night off. That’s an admirable player in my view. Ten times the man you’ll ever be.

            You are lamenting no Cup since 93, fine. But complaining there has been no Dynasty? Why? It’s ridiculous, they don’t exist anymore and your premise would say it’s somehow the organization’s fault when it’s just the nature of the league now.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • sevenman says:

            The guy’s a moron…probably related to Doug Mclean

          • Tony McLean says:

            “Whose” peak.

            Robert Johnson died long before I was born but I know he is the greatest bluesman. I “shall always remember” him. Johnny Come Lately/young fans who trumpet the ’90′s and ’00′s as worthy of “shall remembering” are missing the boat. That’s the ‘real Canadiens’ the way last night was ‘a classic for the ages.’ Take away Patrick Roy and the Canadiens are ‘Leafs East’ the last generation. 14 goals a year, 0 cups. Remember that.
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          • tony has a point, nobody remembers lafleur

        • Tony McLean says:

          Detroit’s pretty damn close.

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          No cup since 1993. No dynasty since 1979. Yeah things are swell.

    • 44har48 says:

      When was he a bum that couldn’t score at the NHL level?????? I saw Max, Kane, Fischer, and MacDonough in Lake Placid for the USA Jr Evaluation Camp a few years back. The talk the entire week throughout the arena was about how Fischer would never make it in the NHL but MacDonough, Max, and Kane (who tore that tourny up and shouldn’t have even been in it he was so much better than everyone else) were a lock.

      Max started slow becuase he was misused on the 4th line and refused to play in the NHL on the 4th line when he could continue to develop in the top 6 in AHL. Very smart move and I commend him for stepping up to our idiot coach for the better of his development.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        From his initial call-up to Montreal until his breakout last season, many were completely against the idea that he was a capable power forward in the NHL.

        His numbers weren’t there, he wasn’t physically dominant for the most part and even I had my doubts. Than he did what most good power forwards do about 3 years after they’re drafted. He broke out and hasn’t looked back since.

        - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        You may not have been hanging around here then, but there was all sorts of negativity and there were all sorts of calls to trade him. Personally, I saw the same kind of upside as I see in Eller. I hope Eller turns out to be as good, but JM isn’t exactly making his path easy.

        • 44har48 says:

          ahhhhhh, the commentariot :) gotcha…

        • habsnyc says:

          pax became a regular at age 22 and some elite guys can do it at age 19 or 20. you don’t trade a guy for that you give him another year in the AHL.

          i’m not able to tell if eller is a first line player in the NHL. but i think it is fair to give him all of this year to prove himself.

          montreal gave up on Latendresse at younger age than Pax or Eller is today. just give these guys a few years to prove themselves. the problem is that the first line is clogged up with over the hill players who will never help this team contend and there are too many journeymen getting ice time.

          Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

      • Tony McLean says:

        Been a big fan since day one and was very disappointed and angry at his demotion but obviously the AHL stint worked.

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    • ed lopaz says:

      the 1st time I saw Max play, I knew he would be an excellent NHL player.

      He combines size, speed, and determination better than anyone we have had on this team in quite a while.

      He is also a very smart young man who will learn a great deal from playing with Cole.

      I am not one who likes to compliment the “Ghost”, but Cole is a fantastic influence on Max – so kudos to the Habs GM on this one.

      I am a very big Cole fan now that he plays for the good guys.

    • habsnyc says:

      I don’t remember anyone calling him a bum. I remember a lot of people screaming that he should get more ice time.

      Pax is by far the most important forward on this team, but keep in mind, there was a time when Latendresse was second to Crosby, when Higgins was third to Nash and Semin. Max is so good, even a mediocre organization like Montreal cannot suppress his talent.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • eric says:

      Yeah, he had to tell JM that he’d rather be in the A playing first line minutes than playin 5 minutes a game on the fourth lines with the big team

  37. Lancer says:

    3 goals in first nine minutes of second period; would anyone out there have pulled the goalie? I would have.

    • Tony McLean says:

      I second that emotion. Not all his fault but maybe it could have acted as a defibrillator.
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      No cup since 1993. No dynasty since 1979. Yeah things are swell.

    • Stev.R says:

      Rule #2 as a back up, you never get pulled. You never want to put in a starter cold. a)he doesn’t get the night off and b) better chance e could get hurt.

      Rule #1 is always be ready to go. He kinda dropped the ball on hat one

  38. Hoegarden says:

    Have a safe trip to Montreal everyone !

  39. Habfan29 says:

    I missed the game last night, thank God. I did see the highlights and was that Gomez on the ice when the habs had pulled the goalie? Who was on the ice for the end of the game. What a waste of space Gomez is and most of us know it, time to get rid of him anyway that we can. trade him for a bucket of pucks anything, since he has returned Eller has been no where, but without Gomez Eller thrived. Gomez does not make those around him better he makes them worse, and if Gionta does not like it get rid of him as well. I would rather rookies playing and making mistakes but at least learning. Time to go Gomez

  40. TOP DAWG says:

    I don’t know why people are saying that Carey Price can’t play 70 games in a reg. season. Carey played 72 reg. season games last season & he never looked tired come the playoffs. The Habs lost in the 1st round not because Carey Price was tired. They lost because they could not cash in on the many many many chances they had.

    “If you’re not the TOP DAWG, the view never changes”

    • Tony McLean says:

      They lost because Price blew a 2-0 series lead. True I don’t think he was tired, he just choked. He did get it together but by then it was too late.
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      • RGM says:

        Your hatred for Price is beyond the irrational. Check your facts. It’s not a choke job on the part of the goalie if the best the offence can do in Games 5 and 6 is one goal per game.

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        • Tony McLean says:

          Good luck with your ESL courses.

          I like Price. Has he delivered yet? No. He’s been a playoff disappointment and had a three year losing streak at home ’til he won against the brownshirts in game 6. You ain’t nothin’ ’til you win in the playoffs.
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      • TOP DAWG says:

        They lost because Price blew a 2-0 series lead. Really?
        Tony, Tony, Tony. You have no clue as to what you are talking about. Montreal struck enough posts, cross bars & missed open nets in the Boston series to have had 8 goals a game. Blaming Carey Price for that series loss is pathetic say the least.

        “If you’re not the TOP DAWG, the view never changes”

        • Tony McLean says:

          LOL! When you have a team down 2-0 by winning the first two games of the series in their building you put them away. Excuses excuses excuses. Loser talk.
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  41. Marc10 says:

    Nice piece on Eddy. RIP.

  42. 24 Cups says:

    To be fair, back-up goalies are probably a dime a dozen. It’s certainly the easiest spot to fill on a team considering how flooded the market is these days.

    The question isn’t about Sanford, Auld or Budaj, but rather why we didn’t go out and grab a Hedberg or a Biron.

    Regardless, our back-up will start a dozen games and what we realistically need is for him to go 6-6.

  43. Le Jadester says:

    Yesterday night was painful.
    The last couple of minutes though was somewhat promising as Les Boys battled hard to tie it up.

    Emelin had a stinker by all accounts.
    I don’t think he should be tossed to the curb.
    He has a lot of raw talent but needs work when it comes to tactics and positioning IMO. I see an offensive upside too. Jury is still out on what JM is gonna do with this guy ?

    I remember when Gorges first joined the team and he was a nightmare too. I couldn’t stand him. Comedy of errors almost every night. Now he’s one of my favourites. It took him a season or two to get comfortable.

    Habs, OLE !

  44. JF says:

    It’s suddenly looking harder to make the playoffs. We’re still only 2 points out, but the teams ahead of us have games in hand, two each for New Jersey and Boston, one for Tampa Bay. And we face two tough games almost certainly without Gill and probably without Spacek.

    But I get tired of all the JM-bashing that goes on when we lose. How is it his fault if the goaltender lets in two bad goals? Or if most of our veteran defencemen are injured? And could we have less talk about how he’s “ruining” Alexei Emelin?

    • habs-hampton says:

      Maybe the bashing is because everyone is frustrated with this coach doing nothing fix the the PP. He just keeps sending Pleks out there and hopes something good will happen. It ain’t working! It’s also frustrating to see a guy who hasn’t scored in almost a year out there in the last minute when we need a goal. Did anyone really believe Gomez would tie the game?

      Time’s up, JM must go!

    • V says:

      Making way too much sense with your three questions JF.

      JM sucks because of the perception he is ‘defensive-minded’ or ‘ruins the kids’. Evidence to the contrary is not relevent for many.

    • Tony McLean says:

      Nomez and Darche on the PP smacks of dementia.
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  45. 24 Cups says:

    Simply stated, the Habs blew a tire last night. They allowed a team that was having scoring issues to notch four goals. Our goalie let in two very soft bloopers that put us in a hole, a predicament that was compounded by the fact that an emergency switch in net for New York still allowed the Isles to hang in for the win. What about back-to-back games as an excuse? Simply not a factor on a team that only has one player over the age of 32 (Darche, a low minute player).

    The only positive was that three of our money players tallied “opportunistic” goals last night. That’s usually enough for this team to gain a win or a tie.

    What hurts the most is that we gave up two points to one of the weakest teams in the league. Just as we prepare to play four of the strongest teams in our conference. It’s no wonder that Mike Boone was severely depressed last night.

  46. RGM says:

    A game like the one last night is frustrating for so many reasons. It is not enjoyable watching “the team that the Bruins to OT in Game 7″ lose to the absolutely awful Islanders. Is there anything at all redeeming about that organization? Playing in an empty arena that has horrible ice, horrible lighting, and horrible acoustics must harken back to the darkest days of long road trips in junior for these guys that are accustomed to 21,273 screaming maniacs every home game. So many bouncing pucks out there last night, it was difficult to complete a pass or take a shot on even the most basic of plays. Imagine what it has to be like 41 nights a year for the Islanders players in that environment – poor buggers.

    Anyways, it was the second night of a back-to-back that included a late-night flight out of town. A win would have been nice, sure, but as Boone has said on many occasions, there are no “gimmes” for this team. File and forget, and we’ll see what happens tomorrow night.

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  47. stevieray says:

    On a brighter note ….to all the Summit goers…I’ll be watching the game at home …with envy !!! Have fun and remember Partner … be good …but if you can’t be good ..be careful !!!!!!
    Have one for ole Stevieray at Hurley’s for me ..

  48. Ian Cobb says:

    Our train leaves the station in 1 hour. Half the cars are filled with HIO summiteers. (well nearly full) Montreal, here we come.

    A few things added below, read and do not miss out!

    SEE EVERYONE AT HURLEY”S TOMORROW EVENING!
    130 of us so far, from all over North America this year.
    5TH ANNUAL 2011 HIO HAB FAN SUMMIT NOV. 18,19.

    We will all meet and greet at 1225 Crescent St. Hurley’s pub Friday eve. Some of us will be having supper there, and name tags will be given out by Shane from Manitoba, by way of PEI, as we watch the Hamilton Bull Dogs on big screen.
    Everyone is welcome to join us. Ware your team colors! and enjoy the evening, before staggering back to the hotel.

    Saturday morning, breakfast is at 1240 Drummond St., Chez Cora’s at 8 or 8:30am. Mike Boone and other guests will be joining us. You can order a la cart and everyone gets 15% discount off your bill. Anyone is welcome.

    We then walk over to the Bell Center early for the Hall of Fame Tour for 10:30am and the Bell Center Tour is at 11:30am. You need to purchase a $5:50 ticket for the Bell Center tour.

    1pm there will be a Media and HIO Fan professional presentation put on by former concussed hockey players. Kerry Goulet, Keith Primeau and other players who are involved in educating the effects of concussion, depression and neurology rehabilitation. Also a newly invented light device will be introduced there, that is secured to a players helmet to help determine if a player has been concussed.
    (location is the Novotel hotel, just up the street)

    3pm the Children’s Foundation Charity raffle and pre game dinner at 1050 Mountain St. the Baton Rouge restaurant. bring one item each to donate if possible please, so everyone will win a gift to go home with. There will be thousands of dollars worth of prizes.

    Rejean Houle will join us at the dinner with a Canadiens team signed stick for the raffle.

    Keith Premeau will be donating a package.

    There will be a Cary Price game sweater for the raffle, a OHL Belleville Bulls game sweater and a Bulls team signed stick, a black and white framed picture of Toe Blake, Doug Harvy and Dicky Moore.

    After dinner we walk across the street to the Hab’s and Ranger’s game. Go Hab’s Go.!

    The 2nd floor of Hurley’s pub is reserved for us again, to celebrate the win and meet up with a few surprise guests. Anyone may join us, just identify yourself as a HIO member.

    Please be generous with your charity raffle gift donations and your purchase of raffle tickets. 1 ticket cost $20 or 3 for $40. You can buy your tickets Friday night at Hurley’s or at the Baton Rouge. It is a wonderful way for the HIO community to give back to less fortunate kids.

    Enjoy your weekend, talking hockey and meeting your fantastic HIO family.

    See ya there.
    Ian Cobb
    HIO Fan Summit Organizer (613-968-9807) if you need anything.

  49. RetroMikey says:

    After almost 20 games, this club of ours is nothing more than a below .500 team.
    No matter if we fire Martin, it’s the nucleus of players we have that cannot perform game in and out.
    We’re back to “re-tooling” this team as we have done for so many years.
    I say let’s rebuild and start the trading market open for any givers out there for prospects and draft picks.
    If not, it’s going to be the same over and over and over with this club, sign a couple of older free agents and hope Price saves us as he has always done and pray we make a playoff spot and perhaps take a series in the playoffs.
    This club ain’t going anywhere to show me they have improved since Gainey blew the ship on the team several seasons ago.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Maybe so Mike, but Saturday night is going to feel like game 7. Go Hab’s Go.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Retro you won’t even recognize good prospects so what point is it following your strategy? You’ll complain anyway.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Retro Mikey described PK Subban as an ‘overhyped junior scoring star’ when he was signed to his ELC and said we ought to dump him for a draft pick. He’s never given Weber an ounce of respect in terms of being an NHL-capable defencemen either.

        His vision for talent is a little questionable.

        - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • RetroMikey says:

          Wrong guy Robert, Yes I said he is overhyped and never did I say that we ought to dump him. Just said that he ought to season more and work on his defensive game in Hamilton more, which he still needs work on.
          As for Weber, he is a work in progress, I’ve said that all along.
          Sad to say but he does look awfully small playing defense for us. Hate to see the guy get hurt in today’s NHL where players are bigger and stronger, Weber may have a wicked shot but is oh so soft playing for us as a DMan.

          “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • TOP DAWG says:

      Mikey, you only come here after a loss I see.

      “If you’re not the TOP DAWG, the view never changes”

    • joshua94k says:

      That sounds like the plan of action the Maple Leafs have. No wonder thay haven’t made the play-offs the past several years.

      The Canadiens are 7-3-1 in their past 10 games. An amazing turnaround from having one victory in their 1st 8 games, especially playing with an injured line-up.

      Giving up on your key players never works. This team never throws in the towel. They never have and never will.

      “Those wins didn’t take the pressure off of us; wins never do that. We’re playing in the NHL and we’re trying to win the Stanley Cup,” – Mike Cammalleri

  50. HardHabits says:

    According to Berkshire’s advanced statistics new scoring method the Habs actually won last night’s game 37-24 with Gomez having a team leading 14 points.

  51. Stuck_in_To. says:

    Less than 30 Thoughts

    Love the way the RDS play by play announcer inflects “Striet” … is it a Germanic gutteral he’s getting in there? In any case, makes you wonder even more about the infamous Bob “What’s his name?” Cole.

    Put a beating on Carolina and roll over for the Islanders. Welcome to 500 hockey.

    Do our Montreal Canadiens work on passing drills? They seem quite deft at picking up impossibly hard passes and coralling bouncing pucks but the simplest short pass is either whiffed on by the passer or bounces off the stick of the intended target. Maddening.

    Is it me, or did the team finally win a third period? 1-0 suggests they won it. Wonder what would have happened if they were leading.

    Back-to-back games with PP goals. Bring it on!

    Pacioretty forces a down-low play on the 1st PP of the third period. It fails and the Islanders make an easy clear. So be it. Love that they are trying to mix it up. This is where continued success starts.

    How much would it cost the organization to have an English tutor following Emelin around the KHL for the last two years?

    Would it have made a difference?

    How much longer do we have to watch Scott Gomez take away ice time from Lars Eller?

    Regardless of Gomez’s Media-Defensive-Peronsality, the man is a professional athlete who cares and wants to come back. Hating him is misdirected but it is hard to understand the organization that is both keeping him and ensuring that it kills his career.

    And how much is Eller missing A.K.? I’d say a lot.

    D.D. makes things happen. Carolina was busy gang-mugging him in front of Ward and left Cole all alone. Last night, he dug the puck out from under and Islander and gave the guy a bit of pounding with the lumber to boot. And then he gets hauled down in the neutral zone. Clearly, opponents are taking him seriously as a threat.

    I think there is still room on this team for the diminuiative Captain.

    Pacioretty is setting a great pace but Gionta, Cole and Pleks are lagging with the latter not looking like he can break 20 this year. Of course, that kind of statistically based prediction is worthless because it has A.K. scoring 29 goals in 76 games but he won’t be back on Saturday.

    Any one figure out Palushjai yet? Exhibits a great puck retrieval game but not much else. Is he on the verge or the bubble?

    I’d trade Martin for Paul Maurice straight up.

    • HFX-HabFan says:

      “SHTRIET” always gets me too. And the fact that Pierre also refers to Derek Roy as “Roi”, calls Shea Weber as “Weber” but Yannick Weber “Vebberrr”.

  52. Mr_MacDougall says:

    Not really about the “game” last night…

    Of the current players within the Habs organization name 6 players you’d like to see suiting up for the Habs regularly five years from now.

    Mine are Price, Subban, Plekanec, Pacioretty, Tinordi, Cammalleri.

  53. HabFanSince72 says:

    Martin Derangement Syndrome is one heck of a pathology, isn’t it?

    Last week it was: why won’t the moron play Budaj and Emelin? Anyone can see you need to play Budaj and Emelin! Everyone can see Price is playing too much. Everyone can see Emelin is just what we need.

    So they play and are in large part responsible for the loss. Budaj is a sieve and Emelin may well be the most incompetent d-man we’ve seen in the last two years.

    The conclusion: Fire Martin!

    • dh says:

      Maybe but it’s hard to see why you have Max Pacs and Cole on the bench and Gomez on the ice after pulling the goalie. Down by one, < 2 minutes left and our two hottest shooters are on the
      bench. Admittedly, we should never have been behind but I don't get the logic of sitting them until there are 7 seconds left…

  54. TOP DAWG says:

    The loss last night was a prime example of Martin needing to be taken out from behind the Habs bench.

    Everyone in the civilized world, except Martin saw that Budaj was having a bad game. Budaj needed to be pulled after the 3rd goal and Price put in. If that was done the Habs would have won that game last night!

    “If you’re not the TOP DAWG, the view never changes”

    • CanadienBoy says:

      Agree Budaj should have been pull and Emelin at the end of the bench but Martin obsession with Gomez ,hope both will crash and burn together sooner the better

    • G-Man says:

      Budaj and Emelin having brain farts cost the game last night.

    • V says:

      And defeat the purpose of resting Price in the first place by throwing him into a game where we are 3 goals down. Not sure that would have made sense and certainly not a ‘prime example’ of Martin’s faults.

      And he couldn’t bench Emelin without insulting the majority here who feel the kid is the second coming of our lord. I think Emelin can be good for us, but (hopefully) even the most anti-JM poster can see why Martin might have been going slow with him.

  55. HabsFansince49 says:

    Now that’s it morning, will someone who knows what they are talking about (e.g. Mike Boone) please explain why Eller was benched in the 3rd period. I won’t raise the G-man issue.

    • stevieray says:

      I got in last nite in time to watch the second period. 2 goals by the Isles and guess whoquit backchecking on both goals and can be seen way behind the play …stick off the ice …coasting…yup our 7 milllion man…
      Then Eller rewards the team with a goal….. the first time he’s off the Gomez line ….
      Then I see Gomez on the PP….and also as a extra attacker when we pull the goalie
      Then I check the box score and see that Gomez has over 16 minutes and Eller a bit over 11 minutes..
      I just don’t get it …!!!!!!

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I agree that Eller’s benching was harsh but he isn’t that good. The notion that he’d be a Sedin if it weren’t for Martin, and that we’d have a cup contender with a different coach, is part of the MDS pathology.

      Our centres apart from Plex are DD, Gomer, Eller, and Nokia, and none of them is very good right now. Our defence is – well, let’s be charitable and call them inexperienced..

      On paper we are not a .500 team. No matter who’s the coach.

    • G-Man says:

      Look for where Eller was on the 4th goal last night.

      • HabsFansince49 says:

        My problem with that argument G-man is that martin’s punishment is inconsistent. He doesn’t apply punishment which I think is “old school mentality” equally to all players. Need I say to whom?

  56. shiram says:

    If it were up to me, HH, Gomez would be a cheerleader in those tight blue pants in the Molson Ex Zone, but I don’t have that power.

    Randy for HC!

  57. Flex Aarnell says:

    Hey!!! You leave those cheerleaders out of it, ok?
    Hell, for the majority of nights under the JM era, they have been by far the most entertaining product on display at the Bell.

    To ruin that with Gomez’s nasty ass, no thanks.

    ____________________
    F.A.

  58. Tony McLean says:

    Only if he shaves his legs.
    —————————————————————
    No cup since 1993. No dynasty since 1979. Yeah things are swell.

  59. Mattyleg says:

    Yeah, but I’m a bit wary of rookie coaches. Which is why I wasn’t keen on the idea of Kirk Muller stepping in. We’ve been bitten too many times by the rookie coach dog to stick our hand in that cage again, I think.

    GM? We need someone to stay there long-term. We’ve had too many in the past few years to establish consistency. I’m less willing to change the GM than the coach. PG’s brought in some pretty good players, Cole being the best of ‘em.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  60. Mattyleg says:

    (whispers)
    AK’s been injured since Gomer’s been back.
    Just sayin’.
    (winks, nods)

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  61. yes, AK has been getting zero minutes the last few games, its a head scratcher

  62. Hoegarden says:

    Gomez (Habs to eat half his contract) and a first rounder for Carter.
    In any case, one cannot picture him in a Habs uni much longer. There comes a time……

  63. Old Bald Bird says:

    According to PP time at least, one wouldn’t know whether he’s injured or not. lol

  64. Mattyleg says:

    No Xbox trades, please.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  65. Mattyleg says:

    Hahahahooohoo…boohoohooo…
    (wipes eyes with sleeve)
    Sad but true.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  66. SmartDog says:

    I don’t know the answer.. osmeone else here probably does. But I would guess when the seasons over in the lower leagues he can do whatever. The purpose of the rule as I understand it was so that upper teams wouldn’t poach the best guys from teams in the leagues below whenever they felt like it.

    ————————————-
    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  67. Hoegarden says:

    Worth a quick phone call, you never know. Carter wants out, Columbus is stuck in the mud, coach might give it a nod….

  68. J_P says:

    xbox would allow that? NHL12 on playstation definitely wouldn’t allow a deal that bad lol

  69. SmartDog says:

    I put the zzzzzz in lazy

    ————————————-
    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  70. agreed smart dog, who else excuses making sh[t up by not conceding he was wrong, but that it was because he was ranting…

  71. SmartDog says:

    I contribute ten times the quality content to you a-hole.

    I know you’ll feel good about this but guys like you are the reason I skip this site most days.

    ————————————-
    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  72. you also grade your own posts and contributions and you know your poop

    being an a$$hole is a lot more liberating than being a conceited weiner

    but do please warn us all again the next time you change your avatar pic, because we ALL CARE SO MUCH!!!

    edit: rofle at your edit, we also ALL CARE that because of guys like me you skip the site, talk about ego

  73. headbanger33 says:

    I was at that game last night; he seemed uninterested and apathetic. Horrible choice for our 6th attacker.


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