Liveblog: Devils win a 5-3 wild one, move closer to Cup final


The least talented Ryan in the game scored the winning goal.
After the Rangers had battled back from a 3-0 hole, Ryan Carter converted a pass from Stephen Gionta to send the Devils home with a 3-2 series lead.
New Jersey can advance to the Stanley Cup final with a win in Newark Friday night.

Ilya Kovalchuk, who had a difficult evening, was first on the puck against Michael Del Zotto to start the sequence that led to the winning goal. Gionta, who is no bigger than his older brother, took a hit to make a tape-to-tape pass to Carter, at Henrik Lundqvist’s open right side.

Zach Parise scored an empty netter to complete the Devils’ scoring.

The visitors took a first-period lead on goals by Gionta, Patrik Elias and Travis Zajac.

The Rangers clawed back on goals by Brandon Prust, Ryan Callahan and Marion Gaborik, credited with a goal a shaky Martin Brodeur ticked into his own net..

The home team had a 28-17 shot advantage and appeared to have all the momentum until Carter’s goal.

Pat Hickey on Michaël Bournival

Dudley still waiting


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  2. 24 Cups says:

    Let’s make it an even 500.

  3. HardHabits says:

    Crazy. LA Kings. LA Lakers. LA Clippers. Some serious juggling going on at the Staples Centre.

  4. commandant says:

    Another one? What is going on at that Alberta Farm?

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    • Un Canadien errant says:

      commandant, you have to stop. I’m like the kid in the candy story with only a nickel to spend, and I want a shovel and duffle bags.

      In this particular case, I don’t think we’ve ever had a Sutter on our team, no need to start now. Let’s save our ‘son of NHL’er’ mojo for the next generation of Turgeons and Desjardins and Audettes.

      In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

    • Propwash says:

      Cool, he has my son’s name.

      “Access Forbidden” gettin’ ya down?
      Hold down Shift while clicking refresh.

  5. commandant says:

    With todays game, it is guaranteed that a Habs prospect will raise the Mem Cup on Sunday.

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  6. frontenac1 says:

    LOL! Le Tigre”s dream team line up has Moen,Leblanc and Darche on Fourth Line!He also wants to trade Subban and our first round pick to Columbus for Nash .He would keep Weber and sign Sutter and P.A Parenteau! Oh,Bergy!

    • Malreg says:

      Was he playing playstation while he made these moves?

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      That’s a joke and a half. He’s on the win-now train, rather than HardHabits’ long-term view planning and asset management maximization and leveraging our dismal position in the standing for the greater good in the not-too-distant future wagon.

      Rick Nash does not fit in very well with our team, he’s a last-ditch add-on to a team gunning for a Stanley Cup next year, that has a lot of depth and prospects and can spare three or four of them for a blue-chip winger who’ll make the team a juggernaut for the next two or three seasons. I’m looking at Vancouver, San Jose, the Rangers, the Blackhawks, teams like that, that are contenders and can go all in for the Cup next season.

      We’re much better off keeping P.K. and the #3 pick, we’re going to get years of good use out of these players. Pierre-Alexandre Parenteau is on my wish list, and I’ll want a hometown discount from him.

      Ryan Suter is a pipe dream. I can’t imagine what we can offer him that ten American teams can’t in terms of lifestyle. I bet he’s one guy who didn’t grown up dreaming of being a Canadien, we should chase other rabbits.

      In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

    • The Cat says:

      What on earth is wrong with that? I think this is one of those times where you good folk consider the source more than the message…Had Elliot Friedman blogged about this, I think Id be hearing a different tune. If Subban and a pick is all it takes for Nash of course. Plus Suter and the habs are virtually instant contenders with 3 very good lines.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  7. habstrinifan says:

    Anyone who’s been seriously watching and evaluating the Memorial Cup HABS prospects…. does Bournival look like a ‘small’ player? His BIO says he is only 5-11 179lbs. I swear he looks stockier than 179lbs at 5-11.

    Edit: Thanks Comandmant re the comment on post lower down. I think you have a point. No way does he look 179lbs.

    • commandant says:

      That height and weight is from his NHL draft combine 2 years ago.

      So an increase in both is possible.

      Edit: He’s also known as one of those kids who is a gym rat and always working out, so the weight is one thing I put a lot of skepticism in

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    • jols101 says:

      He looked 6 or 6″1 and close to 200lbs in my estimation. He was really hard to knock off the puck and showed some great jets. I think he will bring a lot of what Louis Leblanc will bring to the Habs as a Pro. High end 3rd line talent, again, in my estimation…

    • Malreg says:

      I was thinking the same thing. I was thought he was just average sized, maybe a little small, but he looked huge out there.

  8. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    Patrice Cormier: the guy is a freaking MANIAC, especally in junior, he is only 21, could potentally be a very good 3rd line center, plays very physical, and would come relativity cheap in a trade.

    I think he would be a good #4 Center.

    let’s say a 3rd round pick and a middling prospect to for him?

    what do you think

  9. commandant says:

    Samuelsson would be a great pick at 32.

    I’d love to have Ulf’s kid just to troll on Cam Neely and the Bruins.

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    • JayK-47 says:

      The anti-Chara.

    • EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

      I would weep tears of joy if he wrecked Lucic’s knee.
      That would be WRITTEN IN THE STARS!!!!

    • HabFab says:

      You guys have him ranked as 26th.

      • commandant says:

        We do… but falling to 32 isn’t out of the question, its not that far.

        Also, we’re just fans… not pro scouts by any means… this is our first attempt at rankings (and they are rankings, not a mock draft)… so I’m guessing we are gonna be a little off in our numbers at the end of the day.

        While we try to see these kids a minimum of 3 times (between all of us) before we rank them… thats also a lot less than an NHL team would, and many of our viewings are on TV or internet streams, so they aren’t as good as being in the rink either.

        We like what we’ve done and we’re proud of it…. but we’re not the gospel either and there are some great pay sites out there.

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    • ProHabs says:

      He is ranked 50th in the hockey news. It is possible we could even get him with our 3rd round pick. (That is if we don’t trade it for Patrice Cormier).

      • commandant says:

        After the WHL playoffs, and the Mem Cup, he’s risen a lot.

        One thing to remember about THN, due to their publishing deadline, they aren’t going to be able to capture a late rise in a player due to the playoffs.

        I love their profiles, but their rankings are always a little bit off from publications like, McKeens, and FutureConsiderations who are internet magazines and don’t have the time constraints of print media.

        Just look at the difference in Galchenyuk’s ranks between those publications and THN.

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        • ProHabs says:

          Good point. THN has good profiles but they are about 2-3 months before the draft. As long as Marc Bergevin doesn’t draft anymore smurfs, I will be happy.

  10. boing007 says:

    Massacre à Shawinigan. Cataractes on the warpath.

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  11. FanCritic says:

    Your suggestions on here doesn’t count as far as who Habs are going to draft or how the team will be run in 2012-2013. Habs management will decide. they don’t give a rats ass about us. I guess you didn’t learn from last year. we put forward all kinds of suggestions last year to try and get our team in the playoffs, how did we make out. I believe we finished 28th. you’re wasting your time… I guess it doesn’t hurt to talk amongst each other on HIO but that’s as far as it will go. we’ll find out what kind of team we have in place the first game the Habs play come October 2012.

    • commandant says:

      Sure, our suggestions don’t do anything….

      but at the end of the day its more entertaining to debate ideas, than to sit and do nothing.

      Plus sometimes, people can make good posts, ans have different view points from us, and we just might learn something.

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    • jols101 says:

      Your post made me chuckle cause you honestly believed that last year Habs management was on this site reading our ideas and thoughts and would run a NHL franchise by what their fans think. Thats funny, this is nothing more than a forum for Hab fans to share their thoughts and ideas of what we would do if we were GM. If you want your opinion to count type up a resume and drop it in Marc Bergevin’s In box, maybe you can get a job and then you can have some real input, if not just continue to have fun on this site and many others that are meant for fans to have their say…

    • habstrinifan says:

      Are you kiding me?Now you tell me!
      Well that’s it then. I aint gonna waste my team posting how, in a three way deal, we could move Kaberle , Gomez and Bourque plus our next 66 6th round picks and get in return Shane Weber and Alex Ovechkin.

      Well actually it’s a 4 way deal… cause Satan (not the hockey player) is involved. In fact he suggested the 66 6th rnd picks.

      • jols101 says:

        Hahaha, No Way, Disregard my previous post, Marc Bergevin is on this site right now taking notes. He and I would both like to know how this deal, involving Satan, can get done….

  12. frontenac1 says:

    Smart play by Ellis ,Bournival scores! I love it! 5 zip

  13. frontenac1 says:

    Morgan Ellis. Boy, he is looking good.Glad he was signed!

  14. frontenac1 says:

    Yikes! 4-0 cats! This might get nasty!

  15. frontenac1 says:

    3 zip Cats!

  16. frontenac1 says:

    You’re making me a believer commandant!

  17. ProHabs says:

    Bergevin should trade the 3rd pick for Jordan Staal and trade the second rounder from Nashville (or even better the Habs 3rd round pick) to the Jets for Patrice Cormier.

    The Habs go into next year with Staal as the first line center, Eller as the second line center, Pleks as the 3rd line center and Cormier as the 4th line center. In 2 years LeBlanc takes the place of Pleks. And for the next 10 years, those are our centers. No more issues with size as center. All of these guys can play it tough.

    Then you surround those 4, Price, Subban, MaxPac, Markov and Emelin with some good players and we are good as gold for the next 10 years.

    With Coach Hartley behind the bench with Cunneyworth and Robinson, we destroy the Bruins next year.

  18. commandant says:

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Ellis is the Habs most underrated prospect.

    Love that kid.

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    • thorandresson says:

      But where would you rank him on D? Behind both Tinordi and Beaulieu?

      • commandant says:

        Behind them but very close to them… the separation between those two and Ellis is small, which is a testament to how good a pick Ellis was.

        The nice thing is that Tinordi – Subban would be a good pair LD – RD. And Beaulieu – Ellis would be another good LD – RD pair.

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        • thorandresson says:

          The future looks very bright!

        • habstrinifan says:

          I think for pure skating Beaulieu but for near NHL readiness it’s a toss up between Ellis and Tinordi, if you are to judge by this tournament.

          The HABS prospect I like the most in this tournament has been Bournival. He isnt as flashy as Beaulieu and doesnt seem to play as many minutes as Tinordi or Ellis but he plays a total all-round and efficient game. I can see him being a work-horse like Plekanec but bigger and stronger and with more intensity. I checked his bio and it says he is only 5′ 11″, which doesnt seem true. He plays and looks bigger on the ice.

  19. blu_blanc_rouge says:

    I have a feeling that Galchenyuk will be taken by the Blue Jackets and Yakupov will go 1st. After that the best player is Dumba

    • commandant says:

      I’d say BPA at that point is either Murray or Grigorenko… I’d take Grigo because they are very close and the Habs need the centre.

      Grigo has been massively downgraded, but the kid was playing on a bad ankle and had mono too.

      Teams downgrading him for these reasons, will be making the same mistake they made with Couturier last year.

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  20. JohnBellyful says:

    I haven’t given the playoffs my full attention but from what I’ve seen it appears there’s an epidemic of clips to the head, which is troubling enough, but perhaps more disturbing is the number of times the fouls, unintentional or not, go unpunished by officials.
    Their obliviousness in these instances, as with so many other missed calls, has led many to question the competence of referees, but it’s a longstanding issue the NHL, by its inaction, has made clear it’s not willing to address.
    So let me try:
    It’s become painfully obvious that trying to officiate when you’re in among the herd has its limitations. The sight lines aren’t the best, with so many large bodies crashing about. What’s needed are taller referees – minimum height, six feet six. Add two inch inserts and another two inches on the pillars joining boot to skate blade, and they’re up to six-feet-ten. High enough above the fray, I should think, to give them a better vantage point from which to call the game.
    It would certainly give them a stature among players they currently don’t enjoy.
    Further enhancements in referees’ equipment would lend their decisions greater authoritativeness, to the point where players wouldn’t dare dispute banishment to the penalty box. Enhanced codpieces, for example, and fearsome helmets similar to what the Vikings wore into battle would convey the notion that referees have both the balls to make a call, no matter how controversial, and a fierceness to stand by their decision.
    A voice modulator to give their pronouncements a doomsday quality – “No. 17, two minutes for TRIIIIIPPPPIIINNGGG!” – would add to the effect.
    These improvements could be introduced at minimum cost and with minimum effort by the NHL, which all but ensures their adoption.

    — “A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants.” —

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      So you do support my proposal to have an ‘eye in the sky’ referee, we just differ on the application. Mine would work off the video feed and use replay too. They wouldn’t necessarily need the codpieces.

      In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

      • JohnBellyful says:

        Video works for me. But I think there should be cameras mounted on the referees’ helmets to feed the action to the ‘war room’ where a head official can make a call the on-ice official missed. He’d press a button that would turn on a rotating red light on the official’s helmet, signalling a penalty is to be called. The infraction would be communicated to the official at the penalty box.
        Next on the to-do list: stun guns to break up scrums

    • habstrinifan says:

      The Department of Player Safety is reviewing your proposal. Well actually they wont but I just like typing “The Department of Player Safety”.

  21. frontenac1 says:

    Ellis! One timer! 2-0 Cats

  22. thorandresson says:

    Ellis scores!

  23. frontenac1 says:

    I’m rooting for the Cataractes. Two Hab prospects and underdogs!

  24. ont fan says:

    Ok Geeks enlighten me on free agents. Are they all they are cracked up to be or are they generally busts. Your opinion with some back up. Say, anyone getting 6 m or more for 5 plus years.

    • commandant says:

      Like anything in hockey, some work and some don’t.

      For every guy who is a bad contract like a Gomez or a Drury, there are good signings too, like a Chara, or a Hossa, or Kovalchuk, or Briere, who have helped their teams greatly in the playoffs.

      Its about good pro scouting, and good GM work. Some of these guys fit in the system of their new teams, perform in their new cities, and become importan parts of their new teams. Some don’t.

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  25. commandant says:

    Cataractes vs Oil Kings tonight.


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  26. Un Canadien errant says:

    As far as David Desharnais being the #1 centre, we should agree that he is that, by default if nothing else. But he does wear the crown, he has earned it, and he will continue to wear it next season.

    At the draft, we have an opportunity to get a bigger centre who can dominate a game, in either Mikhail Grigorenko or Alex Galchenyuk. Unless we are completely off track, that is the biggest organizational need, we happen to be in a favourable draft position, and two indisputably promising big centres are ranked near the top of the draft rankings. It seems inevitable that we’ll have a shot at at least one of these prospects.

    Even so, it’s apparent that neither of these players would be ready to assume the #1 role next season. To acquire a #1 centre through trade would be redundant, very expensive, and short-sighted, so that won’t happen.

    With this in mind, David Desharnais will continue as our #1 centre next season, and that’s not a bad thing. Sure, he’s small, he’s no Bobby Smith, but he has shown that he can play at a high level in the NHL, and continues to improve every year. We’re a better team with him than with a bigger Radek Bonk or Jan Bulish or Chad Kilger.

    In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

    • commandant says:

      I don’t know that its so clear cut… Despite playing with a laughing stock ensemble of wingers for most of the year, Pleks was only 8 pts behind Desharnais.

      I think they are pretty close as far as centres go, but I also think that DD will eventually get moved to wing (once our draft pick is ready to be number 1).

      Patches – Galchenyuk – DD is an intriguing line going forward, and by putting DD on wing, you reduce what is currently his biggest liability.. ie his inability to contain forwards on the cycle in the defensive zone.

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      • Rugger says:

        Agreed, with a new coaching staff and hopefully a more wide open approach with the puck I do not think we can say for certain what any lines will be. With a woken up Bourque and a healthy Gionta we could have two very decent top lines.

      • Malreg says:

        I don’t like the idea of Desharnais on the wing… He distributes the puck to his wingers so well, I don’t think it would work out… He would need a shoot-first center with size to play with. Maybe Eller could become that player?

        A find a large portion of Desharnais’ offense comes off the rush, and if he’s on the wing he is going to have less options off the rush to distribute the puck.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      Sure, he’s in the #1 slot next year. Cool.

      So, what happens when Gally or Grigo are ready to go? That’s what I’m curious about!

      Does someone move to the wing? (#3 pick, DD, Eller)
      Does someone get traded? (DD, Pleks)
      Who are the top 3 centers in, say, 2014?

      I think a whole lotta evaluatin’s gonna take place in 2012/13.

    • Nina76 says:

      hope hope we draft the right one .I think that DD plays veryhard every game & kook forward to seeing him next year

      • Nina76 says:

        What a mess in my spelling. Ignore the above comment Hope we draft the right one. I think that D D plays hard every game & look forward to seeing him next year …….I beleive

    • neumann103 says:


      I respect and enjoy your posts and i would be draftinygalchenyuk or grigorenko ko in the #3 spot, but the habs biggest organizational need is a scoring left winner with size to play on the top six with plekanec.

      Sorry about the bove i spent about ten minutes trying to get the android I’d cream sandwich keyboard to not auto correct galchenyuk and grigorenko who were my suggested choices not the #3 pick

      “Et le but!”

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Yeah, I’d agree with you if we look in the short-term vs. long-term. Short term, if we get a scoring left winger we can plug him in our top 6 and it’ll pay immediate dividends. How we go about getting such a player though is the question.

        Long-term, we need to be ‘strong up the middle’. We have the franchise goalie, the defencemen are sprouting like weeds, all we need is the big #1 centre-face of the franchise, and the draft offers a golden opportunity to get that player at little cost.

        I don’t think we can do much about the short term need, and we shouldn’t focus on it anyway, so that’s why I’m looking long term. Also, maybe Steve Quailer or Danny Kristo or Alexander Avtsin or Brendan Gallagher will develop into the scoring wingers we need. So let’s not sell the farm to get a left winger for next season, let’s keep piling up assets and developing our players, this lacuna should take care of itself eventually.

        In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

  27. frontenac1 says:

    You could be right re/Bourque.I remember when he was traded ,his numbers looked pretty good and then pfftt!Maybe with a new GM ,coaching staff and all round different atmosphere he could find his game again.He does have size,toughness,and can turn on the burners .

    • piper says:

      I agree, they can’t just get rid of guys with his abilities. I think it could have had something to do with the way Gauthier was running things. Bourque looked ok at first then after a few games he looked like he didn’t want to be there.

    • otter649 says:

      GM MarcB is familar with Bourque since Chicago was the team that drafted Bourque & where his career started so maybe Bergeron can get Mr Bourque going…….

  28. Un Canadien errant says:

    mark_ID, I love your signature. It’s perfect for our purposes here at HIO.

    In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

  29. frontenac1 says:

    Ooooo!Gettin”a little heated in here! “Drop The Mitts…Ding Ding!!”

    • kbhab4ever says:

      I think and that the Habs will go after P.Kane from the Hawks.The brass in chi town have thier fill of the bad press. Marc MUST know this. Next years forwards : Pac,DD, Cole./ PARENTAU, ELLER, KANE./ Bourque,Gaghenyuk,Gio./ /White,Konoka,Stabitz. tHE hABS SHOULD TRADE UP just TO BE SURE TO GET GAGHENYUK.

    • TomNickle says:

      You think it’s heated now? You just wait, sometime soon I’m gonna reveal that I’m really Pierre Gauthier. This is my avenue of speaking my mind because I couldn’t dare speak it around colleagues or subordinates.

      Wait, wait, no. I’m GEOFF MOLSON. Yeah, I have ownership of the Habs. Serge Savard and I are buds. When I’m not busy with my various senior management roles I canvas the streets of Montreal encouraging students to revolt against the education system in Quebec and Canada. Just cause I’m sick of being so straight laced through my days ya know?

      I also landed on the moon first. It wasn’t the Americans with Neil Armstrong. It was me!

  30. mark_ID says:

    What do you think? I think this is do-able.

    Pacioretty Desharnais Cole
    Doan Plekanec Gionta
    Bourque Eller Tay.Pyatt
    White Gaustad Moen

    “I think I may have found a way to get us Bonds and Griffey, and we really wouldn’t give up that much” – Costanza

    • EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

      I think Gaustad is more of a 3rd line center, Konopka would be better in a 4th line checking center role.

      • mark_ID says:

        Yea was looking for some who could also be used as a faceoff specialist….rather then having White be the 4th line center.

        All depends on what kinda money they are looking for of course.

        “I think I may have found a way to get us Bonds and Griffey, and we really wouldn’t give up that much” – Costanza

      • Ozmodiar says:

        Gaustad was a 4th line center in Buffalo.

        Remember all the “I can’t believe Nashville gave up a 1st round pick for a 4th liner!!” comments?

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …though it would definitely be a physical upgrade, I can’t see Doan leaving the Coyotes (where ever located) …and Desharnais as a number one centre means we will be closer to Nathan Mackinnin than the Playoffs …which, when I think about it, isn’t ‘all’ bad

      …I love David, but not as a number one centre

      HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song; Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out:
      What I WANT ! is an aircraft carrier at centre and nuclear destroyers on each wing going to the net like bats out of Hell !, …NO MORE rubber duckies !!!
      Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

      • EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

        face it: Desharnais has been our #1 Center for most of the past season, and will be next year unless we can find someone better.
        Pleks is a #2 center, PERIOD

        • Habitant in Surrey says:

          …both David or Pleks are maximum number 2s on any team with a chance

          …and, that’s what this draft is all about …the Holy Grail, the aircraft carrier for Our centre

          …that’s why Timmins and Bergevin are paid a good salary, to make the right call …from My current view in the bleachers, if both Yakupov and Galchenyuk are at number 3, I would select Galchenyuk

          …yet, If T & B feel Nail is another Bure, and They are right …I would not complain 🙂

          HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song; Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out:
          What I WANT ! is an aircraft carrier at centre and nuclear destroyers on each wing going to the net like bats out of Hell !, …NO MORE rubber duckies !!!
          Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

          • piper says:

            I’d trade down a couple of picks and take that Rienhart kid from Edmonton. Looks like a safe pick to me. Can’t have enough defense prospects. If a few of them pan out you can always trade them.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Still a weak lineup offensively.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      Gaustad: Yes! A bit expensive for a 4th liner, but he’d take tough minutes from Pleks and allow Crawford to roll 4 lines. This should please both “trade Pleks” and “don’t trade Pleks” camps, because a productive Pleks is a more sought after Pleks.

      Doan: He’s a right winger, and 35. We’re not a contender, so i don’t think he fits. However, if he took less money to play with Carey, i wouldn’t say no.

      Pyatt: I see him as a Moen replacement, so one or the other, svp. I’d try to add someone like Prust to the 4th line.

      Wait…did i just write ‘Crawford’? I meant “new coach”. Sorry. Typo.

  31. Habitant in Surrey says:


    ..Brian, I was posting on Ipod Touch, so not able to respond directly

    …until now, at least …just booted up the PC to respond non-randomly to You 🙂

  32. mark_ID says:

    What do you guys think Taylor Pyatt will make as a free agent next year?

    Would be a nice pickup for our third line next year maybe??

    Two seasons ago he scored 18 goals….but he is coming off a 9 goal season this year.

    He is listed at 6’4, 235 lbs

    “I think I may have found a way to get us Bonds and Griffey, and we really wouldn’t give up that much” – Costanza

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Taylor Pyatt is a legitimate NHL’er who would contribute character and toughness to our lineup. He was a noble warrior in Vancouver, good contributor to the team. At the right price he would be a great addition to our club, we need a couple of players like that, and we have a few holes on our roster we need to fill.

      Last year near the end, we could barely put a second line together, the third and fourth were not NHL lines. Resigning Travis Moen, Mathieu Darche and adding a Taylor Pyatt would help hold the fort on the third and fourth line while we wait for our prospects to be ready. Adding a P.A. Parenteau and/or another forward with skill who can play on the powerplay would be ideal.

      It would mean a better chance of seeing Louis Leblanc and Blake Geoffrion in Hamilton next season also, which they need to mature into the players they can become. I’m an advocate of letting kids play, but this only works when the farm team is brimming with guys who are ready to take the next step. We don’t have that situation, there’s kind of a three year gap in the supply pipeline. We don’t want to force Brendan Gallagher into a scoring role too soon, or force Aaron Palushaj to be the square peg in the round hole again.

      In any case, these free agent signings, if done at the right price and term, are assets that can be flipped when the kids in Hamilton show they are ready and we need space on the roster.

      The other option would be to ‘make do’ with what we have, which would mean wins would be hard to come by, and allow the team to slide in the rankings. While this would help our draft ranking for 2013, I don’t think we can run our organization that way, by accepting that we will lose. The pressure would be hard to resist as the losses mounted, and we’d be hard pressed to not rush up our prospects from Hamilton.

      So in summation, Taylor Pyatt yes.

      In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

    • EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

      good suggestion!!!!
      I think he would be great in a 3rd line role

      add in a few D-men singed short term, Parentau, and a new coach/system/culture/mentality, and I think the 2012-13 Habs are a playoff team.

      Pacioretty – DD – Cole
      Parentau – Pleks – Gio
      Moen – Eller – Pyatt
      Staubitz – White – Dumont/Darche

      Markov – Emelin
      Subban – Georges
      Allen – Brookbank
      Kaberle (if we cant get rid of him)


      • mark_ID says:

        Looks good!!

        “I think I may have found a way to get us Bonds and Griffey, and we really wouldn’t give up that much” – Costanza

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I notice you don’t have René Bourque on your list. I know it’s trendy on here to write off a big winger who can skate and score because he had a bad stretch of fourty games, but I think it’s way too early to give up on the guy.

        Here’s what he went through last season:

        1) Started the year on a Flames team going through some turbulence with a new GM and lame duck coach, and with fans expecting too much from an aging lineup.

        2) Two on-ice incidents that lead to suspensions. He’s called out in the media with some very strong attacks on his character, something which isn’t usually seen, unless your name is Avery or Yashin. One of the players he injured doesn’t return until the end of the season, and his name constantly re-surfaces in a negative light. Max Pacioretty explained that his suspension unsettled him and he had to re-think how he played and hit after returning to action. Mr. Bourque had to deal with two suspensions, and much stronger criticism.

        3) Before he comes back from his second suspension, he is traded to the Canadiens, away from a team in his home province. His first game with the Canadiens is against the Capitals, and the spotlight is trained on him as the media expects/demands he fights to ‘face the music’.

        4) The team he is now on is also in flux, with a new, even more lame-duck coach, a GM with no credibility in the league and the dressing room. They are beset with injuries, notably to the Captain and the best defenceman.

        Now, a player like Brian Skrudland or Vincent Damphousse or Kirk Muller would have dealt with this tumult and risen to the occasion, but we knew going in that Mr. Bourque is not a brash, outgoing leader type of player, but rather more of a withdrawn, fragile player. It’s not surprising that he had trouble producing under these circumstances. We can hope that Marc Bergevin has some insights on how best to use and motivate him from his days with the Blackhawks. Mario Tremblay remembers him as a player difficult to play against when he was coaching the Minnesota Wild, maybe he can recapture that form here with the right coaching, teammates, linemates, and expectations.

        Michel Thérrien likes to say that the easiest thing to do is to get rid of players, but the hardest is to find them. So let’s not give up on a 6’2″ 220 lbs winger who can skate and score 25 goals and can even fight when needed. He’s an player to be coached and developed, not another asset to squander.

        In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

    • Chris says:

      Depends…if he signs for the $1 M he made this season or less, then sure. The Habs can use a left wing.

      But for anything more than that, no.

    • Nina76 says:

      That’s what I want 6,4, 235 lbs. sounds great

  33. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …I get non-plussed when I read/listen to someOne hollerin’ racism or bias when retorting on ‘the Russian Factor’ when it comes to especially first-round NHL draft selections

    …if I had the dumb luck opportunity to select between Vincent Lecavalier (ten years younger!), Sidney Crosby (post-concussion) and Evgeny Malkin today, it would be a not difficult decision of Malkin

    …Datsyuk is Guy Carbonneau on steroids

    …I watched Bure and Mogilny with envy of what they would have been in a Habs’ jersey

    …but to dismiss the very real risks of ‘The Russian Factor’ is arrogant and delusional

    … It is a serious consideration that must be evaluated by any team in a first round selection

    • TomNickle says:

      The Russian risk is that they may decide to play in the KHL, like Nigel Dawes or Brent Sopel.

      The Russian risk should not be perceived laziness or lack of dedication to the NHL. Especially when they’ve come to North America to play junior hockey.

      Or to put it another way, anybody here think that Jeff Carter works harder than Anton Volchenkov?

      • commandant says:

        Russian busts exist.

        So do Canadian busts like Terry Ryan, Jason Ward, Daniel Tkachuk, Cam Barker, Thomas Hickey and others.

        Same with Americans, and Czechs, and Finns, and Swedes.

        The only country that has never produced a highly rated draft bust is Slovenia, who produced Anze Kopitar.

        By that logic, I hope we draft all Slovenians this year.

        Go Habs Go!
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      • Max says:

        Sopel and Dawes wouldn’t be playing Russia if they could have gotten NHL contracts this year. The KHL is certainly more appealing for Russian born players as they have the familiarity of playing within their culture and making good coin to boot.

        You’ll always get a few fringe NHLers playing in the KHL, but the threat of young Russian players going there is always prevalent and certainly something to keep in mind.

        • TomNickle says:

          Speak of the devil. There’s the man who travels “a couple dozen times” to watch Filip Forsberg play.

          So right now I’m willing to put my suspicion away but remain curious. Why travel from Russia to Sweden to watch Allsvenskan league games instead of the KHL, SM-Liga in Finland or even SEL games?

          Or with it being 1am in Russia is it a little late to get into this?

          • Max says:

            I lived there for 8 years but live in Canada again now as of last October.I travelled all over with my job and spent plenty of time in both Sweden and Finland. I also watched hockey in the Japanese league back in the late 90’s…..does that interest you??I didn’t travel specifically to see Filip Forsberg play, but managed to watch him many times. I also watched plenty of KHL games when I had the opportunity. Also saw several Finnish league games in Helsinki and Turku. Do you understand these concepts?

          • TomNickle says:

            I understand that you’re completely full of it. Two weeks ago the story was that you saw Forsberg play dozens of times this past season and you of all people were the one stereotyping Russian players.

            What concepts am I supposed to be grasping here? That people work out outside of North America and get the opportunity to travel and see things that some aren’t as lucky to enjoy?

            You know it’s funny. To recap, you made a stereotypical comment about Russian hockey players and praised Swedes in general for being great people. When confronted the story came out that you lived in Russia and travelled to Sweden to see Filip Forsberg play more than a couple of dozen times. Funny coincidence don’t ya think?

            I’m not buying, you can trying spewing your garbage about seeing dozens of Leksands games and your story about living in Russia on somebody else. You went to the well with the old “I’ve seen him play live” and when people were curious about the circumstances that would prompt somebody to take in an Allsvenskans game the fairy tales started.

            Funny that you would call working overseas and travelling “concepts”
            Have a good day.

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        …My observation Tom is You go a little overboard when dissing others’ opinions on the ‘Russian factor’ …not everyOne is thinking Russians are ‘dogs’, but the KHL is as much part of the calculated risk as well

        HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song; Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out:
        What I WANT ! is an aircraft carrier at centre and nuclear destroyers on each wing going to the net like bats out of Hell !, …NO MORE rubber duckies !!!
        Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

        • TomNickle says:

          I only take issue with the stereotype that Russian players are softer or less dedicated than North American players.

          It’s bigotry.

          • Max says:

            Dude,you’ve gotsome serious issues to deal with. I hope you get the help that you need.I won’t waste my time with you as there are so many more intelligent and enlightened posters on here to interact with.

          • TomNickle says:

            You’re sure showing me Max.

            I have issues with racism, bigotry and liars. I need to work on that I admit, and because you’ve been so nice to point out to me that I have issues Max, I promise you that I’ll do my best to work on them.

          • 1010 says:

            Don’t come on here much anymore Tom but I just wanted to say that you’re absolutely dead on when you talk about the stereotyping of Russian players. Richards and Penner were crap for LA most of the year but listen to PJ Stock and the rest of the morons swoon about them now.
            If either were Russians, we’d be hearing about how they show up when they want to and they lack commitment to the team.
            There is a general bias against these Russian dudes and the media plays a big part in it.
            Everyone knows that only good old North American boys ( and especially those from the prairies and rural Canada and the US) have the mental toughness and heart required. Right?
            But it seems these days the rest of the Europeans get a pass on the commitment scale but it always comes up when the Russians
            are discussed.

            GO HABS…

          • commandant says:

            Well said 1010. Its ridiculous.

            Go Habs Go!
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    • Chris says:

      You realize that there have been more Canadian NHL’ers and prospects defecting to the KHL than Russians, right?

      If ‘The Russian Factor’ was really the root of the concerns, than it would be for all prospects.

      ‘The Russian Factor’ seems to be based on two things: the Alex Radulov defection from Nashville to the KHL and the occasional delays for teams bringing Russian players over to play in their farm systems after being drafted.

      To the first, I reply “Evgeni Malkin”. I would say the two leagues are even in the poaching talent. The NHL exploited that Russian contracts were subject to normal labour laws, where a player could opt out of a contract with two weeks notice. This loophole has since been closed.

      As to propsects like Emelin or Kuznetsov developing overseas, who cares? As long as they are playing and continuing to mature, I’m okay with them making bigger money in the KHL and enjoying their own culture as opposed to riding buses in the AHL.

      The NHL had no problem with Nikita Filatov being loaned back to his KHL club when he wasn’t working out with Columbus and then Ottawa. Nobody raised a peep when Calgary dumped Marcus Nilson to the KHL so that they could get his cap hit off their books without actually having to buy him out and not having to eat the losses associated with burying him in the minors.

      For Habs fans, we’ve seen former players Mathieu Carle, Andre Benoit, Dustin Boyd and Nigel Dawes all go over to the KHL when it was clear they did not fit into the plans of their NHL clubs.

      • Max says:

        My pleasure sir.I sincerely hope you can deal with everything and come back as a much better poster and human.

        • TomNickle says:

          You replied in the wrong spot Max. Chris, unlike you actually is in attendance for games that he says that he’s seen.

          He doesn’t make up fairy tales about travelling the World to strengthen an already weak opinion about prospects or players. He’s a class act who wouldn’t bother to lie about seeing a player, he’d simply say that he hasn’t seen them and might allude to the opinion of others when discussing the player.

          In short, he doesn’t bullshit to make himself seem more informed.

          • Max says:

            A class act certainly is something that you aren’t Tom.

          • TomNickle says:

            Save it Max.

            Find another sucker.

          • Max says:

            Haha…nice to know I’m in your head Tom.Anyway,I still vote for Forsberg at 3rd.

          • TomNickle says:

            Whatever gets you through the day Max.

            Glad I could make your life a little less pathetic.

            Thanks for essentially admitting your lies by the way, I appreciate it.

          • Max says:

            Uhhhh….ok dude…whatever.

          • TomNickle says:

            Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it.

            Listen, for what it’s worth. Only you know the truth. I could easily be dead wrong in thinking that you made up a story about living in Russia and travelling to dozens of Forsberg’s games. But you have to understand the lottery like chances of your story being true. First of all, Forsberg only played in around 50 games for Leksands various teams over the last three years and you say you weren’t around last season, that means you saw what? Around 25 of his 50 games while living in Russia? Come on Max. Don’t ask people to believe that.

            We’ll just end this right now. I don’t believe you but I’m done talking about this because it’s a detriment to the site.

            For the record, I take issue with what I believe you lied about because people do come here to share their opinion of prospects and players after having actually seen them. If you saw Forsberg once, it would’ve been okay to say you’d only seen him once and liked what you saw. No reason to exaggerate.

            Just keep it real man.

          • Max says:

            Listen dude. I never lied about a goddamned thing! You come on here and try to make me look like a fool and then have the audacity to preach about the virtues of honesty. I never lied about one goddamned thing I said. I stand by everything I uttered.You don’t know me or my story.We’ve never met or had any social intercourse.I never questioned any of your comments, but you always feel the need to shoot people down with your “greater than thou smugness”.

            You say people come on here to share opinions;well I shared my goddamned opinion based on personal circumstances, but you still attempted to discredit me and tried to make me look like a fool which I’m most certainly not.That wasn’t cool at all.

            Speaking of keeping it real; look in the mirror. You speak about this thread being a detriment to the site, but you’re the one who continuously questions my credibility and then forces me to retort over and over again in my defense.It’s all very juvenile.

            I give you credit for being a seemingly well informed member and I never discredit your information or sources.I actually enjoy reading some of your insight.You on the other hand, have tried to take me down a peg every chance you get, which is a shame as I have plenty of information and insight to offer from my international hockey related experiences.

            Anyway,this is all very bland and tiring and I won’t speak of this again.

          • pmaraw says:

            tom got owned

  34. Chris says:

    I propose a resolution for Hockey Inside/Out as we head to the draft…

    When discussing who the Habs should or should not draft, please also discuss how many games you’ve watched the individual in question, either live (preferably, because you see a lot more about them) or on television.

    Watching compilation videos doesn’t count. Reading other people draft summaries doesn’t count.

    I don’t mind the opinions, I just wish people would qualify descriptions like “lazy” or “dog”.

    • shiram says:

      That’s why I have not really talked about the draft or prospects, I have not the time to dedicate to get to know them.
      Besides, in Timmins I trust.

      To Pleks or not to Pleks, that is the question.

      • TomNickle says:

        The only thing that bothers me is when people only base their opinions based on what the TSN panel or Craig Button have to say. Either cite these guys when agreeing with their opinions or form your own based on things you’ve read or research you’ve done.

        I don’t say a lick about Forsberg other than that when I saw him play in the WJHC he was a hard forechecker who had average offensive talents and that his offensive production from a statistical standpoint at the WJHC, Allsvenskan league and his prior junior league seasons are mediocre and that if finding elite skill is a priority with a top 3 selection that Sebastian Collberg should be given more consideration at the expense of Forsberg.

        • shiram says:

          Heh I get most of my hockey information from this place and the people that post here, and I have not turned out so bad.
          Just have to be careful about whom to listen to.
          There are some excellent posters here, and I’m grateful for their contributions.

          To Pleks or not to Pleks, that is the question.

    • TomNickle says:

      You’re opening a can of worms there Chris.

      A couple of weeks ago a member made a stereotypical comment about Russian players and lauded Swedes for their work ethic. After a few people mentioned how out of bounds the comment was and being questioned the member decided to say that they not only lived in Russia but had travelled over a dozen times to see Filip Forsberg play live. Either this person is full of it or they’re Forsberg’s agent.

      You’ll get fairy tales from people who’ve seen draft eligible players lace up. Hopefully not as far fetched as travelling from Russia to Sweden over a dozen times to watch Allsvenskan games.

      • shootdapuck says:

        Ever lived in Russia?

        Travelling to Sweden is the equivalent of a weekend in Hawaii for the average Canadian in Mid February!

        The allegation is not so far fetched at all for anyone who lives in Russia especially outside major cities or requires regular medical treatment!

        The cerebral insight of PJ Stock:

        “Le problem est Markov n’a pas jouer un seul game cette annee”
        “Louis Leblanc est un kid locale”
        ” I have a pet peeve”

      • Bill H says:

        Hey man, lighten up. People are entitled to their opinions.

  35. aemarchand11 says:

    We do not need to trade a roster player to columbus or even Edmonton to swap picks in the draft. I think the Habs are in a great spot, because at most theyll just have to throw in their 2nd overall pick, which is 32nd overall (NJ will be giving up their pick this year re: Kovalchuk).

    Columbus may make the habs bite if they know what player they want, so ultimately if we are set on Gally and they pretend/actually want Gally we will need to trade up. Wont cost us a roster player though, Columbus would gladly accept another high pick. Hasnt there been a lot of reports that Columbus wants Forsberg though?


    Mark it.

    • EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

      all i’m saying is, what happens if Gally isn’t on the board when we make our pick?

      Draft what is essentially an overrated 3rd liner (Forsberg)?

      Take our chances with a big, soft, lazy, floater, who may or may not be the next Yashin? (Grigorenko)

      Or draft another frikin D-man?

      In my mind, after Gachenyuk is gone, the pick becomes expendable.

  36. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    Perhaps we should package Pleks and our 3rd overall pick and send them to Columbus in exchange for their second overall pick.

    we REALLY need Gachenyuk, he is something else and would make our prospect pool A LOT deeper.

    Grigorenko is WAY TOO SOFT for his size, i’m sorry, but a guy who is 6, 4 and 200 pounds has no excuse not to play with a little sandpaper.

    Yakupov is GREAT, but he is 5, 9 and we have enough small forwards for three teams.

    Forsberg’s numbers do not match his hype, and he is at least 3 years away.

    Everyone else are blue-liners, and i will go nuts if we draft another freakin d-man.

    If we can’t get Galchenyuk, then we have no choice but to trade the pick.

    • shiram says:

      That screams of bad asset management to me.

      To Pleks or not to Pleks, that is the question.

    • ont fan says:

      Pleks and our 3rd overall to move up one spot. You are the kind of GM every team wants to trade with.

    • Chris says:

      Mario Lemieux was 6’4″ and 230 pounds and played with very little sandpaper.

      The Penguins didn’t seem to mind. 🙂

      • EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

        the fact that you compare Grigorenko to Lemieux is absurd and vaguely insulting.

        You must remember that Mario never had to play in the same division as the Bruins, with no physical players to shelter him.

        • Chris says:

          No, he played in the same division as the Philadelphia Flyers, and Paul Coffey always marvelled at how mangled Lemieux’s legs were after games because of the abuse he took in the Patrick Division.

          But you missed my point. Nobody is drafting Mikhail Grigorenko to be a physical player. The fact that he has a big body does not necessarily mean he has to be a physical player or be willing to mix it up…this is just lazy thinking.

          Jason Spezza has a big frame (6’3″ and 215 pounds) and he would be one of the last players in the NHL identified as having sandpaper in his game. But who cares? He averages a point per game in both the regular season and the playoffs over his career. He can play on my team any day.

        • habstrinifan says:

          You blew the conclusions in your ‘essay’ with the conclusion of your essay.

    • Malreg says:

      So a top 2 center who produces between 50-70 points AND a 3rd overall pick to move up to the 2nd overall spot? Ok there…

      Yakupov is listed as being 5″11, not 5″9, and it would take a miracle for him to fall to us.

  37. habs11s says:

    Anyone else tired of the cheesy titles that TSN/ gives their articles/videos? For example.. the Kings ‘crowning achievement’

    is it October yet?


    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  38. TomNickle says:

    This Grigorenko dogging while really trendy is an absolute joke.

    I’m sorry, but skill wins out every day of the week. There’s a reason that Evgeni Malkin is a better hockey player than Chris Kunitz, that Alex Kovalev has always been better than Chris Higgins and that Anze Kopitar is better than Justin Williams.


    Grigorenko has top five skill in this draft and that’s a modest view. This isn’t an Alexander Daigle or Brian Lawton situation where the production was a result of smoke in mirrors.

    This guy is getting crapped on because….

    1. He’s Russian
    2. He had an ankle injury and mono.
    3. He had a below average playoff series against Halifax.

    Funny that Galchenyuk didn’t get dropped in the rankings after a sub-par playoff series coming off of an injury. Filip Forsberg having below average offensive production hasn’t hurt his draft stock has it?

    Complete garbage, so reminiscent of Sean Couturier last year, I think Paul Holmgren’s a happy camper right now and that’s largely due to the player he stole in the top 10 last year.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      Then there’s the possibility that the scouts are right and you’re wrong. Crazy, I know. But not impossible. 😉

      • TomNickle says:

        If the scouts were denying the young man’s skill he wouldn’t be projected as a first round pick. I realize that your comment was a playful jab but this stuff is bothersome.

        People who decide to knock a kid for perceived laziness or lack of work ethic are usually the people who’ve never met the kid or as much as spoken to a coach or teammate of his.

        The people writing garbage about him aren’t accountable and that’s precisely why they do it. Will they be offering up apologies or even admission of error when this kid is making 80 point seasons look like child’s play? Doubt it.

        One guy decided to start picking on Grigorenko and the line has gotten longer since. Because if he busts they can say I told you so. But there sure as hell won’t be any accountability if the kid becomes a star.

        • commandant says:

          I’d take Grigorenko… but only if Yakupov and Galchenyuk go 1-2.

          I’d rather have the Sarnia guys, but he’s 3rd on my wish list.

          Go Habs Go!
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          • TomNickle says:

            Yeah I know Ben, we’ve spoken about it at length. And I have them ranked in the exact same order.

            The best comparable I can use to illustrate how bigoted these people who slag on Grigorenko have been is Brendan Gaunce.

            If work ethic had anything to do with ranking North American players this guy would have a 35-60 ranking.

          • Chris says:

            For me, it’s Yakupov. After that, there are a whole bunch of players who are basically similar and I suspect that none of them would be drafted in the top 5 last year. This draft is deep, but not exceptional.

            I haven’t caught a lot of Grigorenko or the WHL defencemen or the Europeans, but Yakupov has been lights out in my limited viewings. The kid can flat out fly and has a great shot. Size is a worry, but you can’t teach that kind of speed or shot.

          • TomNickle says:

            Between a couple of travels, WJHC and Petes games over the last two years I would agree about Yakupov and call him a poor man’s Pavel Bure.

          • commandant says:

            Bure’s not a bad comparison… because I always called Ovechkin “What Bure would be if Bure had size” when he was putting up 60 goal seasons.

            Now I’ve compared Yakupov to a smaller version of Ovechkin when he was lighting it up.

            The only thing I’ll add is that Yakupov and Ovie both throw more hits than Bure ever did, but other than that small aspect the similarities are there.

            Go Habs Go!
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  39. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …only one way to determine if I am sober, or not 🙂

  40. frontenac1 says:

    Guys,relax!! Thats just Burke being Burke!He’s a blowhard.Even Leaf fans I know don’t buy his schtick anymore.What does amaze me however,is how he still has a job.He has been there for four years and still has not made the playoffs!It can also be reasonably argued that the Leafs are in worse shape now than when he arrived.

    • commandant says:

      He has had the job as long as JFJ (number of seasons, 1 less year, but that was the lockout).

      Has led the leafs to 0 playoff appearances vs 1 for JFJ
      0 playoff series wins vs 1 for JFJ
      4 finishes in the bottom 10 of the league, vs 1 for JFJ.
      a far worse overall record vs JFJ.

      But JFJ was vilified and Burke is still praised.

      Not saying JFJ was good (he wasn’t) but I find the reactions to the two of them interesting.

      Burke plays the media game well, thats all he has.

      Go Habs Go!
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  41. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …Edmonton = Murray or Dumba (if they are smart) …Columbus = Galchenyuk (unfortunately, because he is My preferred choice for Our Habs)

    …Nail is a more realistic bet than most think for the Habs

    …too bad Hamrlk is no longer a Hab …then We would have BOTH the Hammer ‘n Nail to pound doze Philthydelphia Phlyers and dasturdly Boooins. 🙂

  42. joeybarrie says:

    Are you on drugs Burkie?

    Don’t want to lose a guy???? GIVE THEM A REASON TO STAY……….

    So basically you want to keep a man down, stop another team from advancing, yet try to advance your own team… Why dont we simply GIVE you the Cup then. Make it easier.
    Dont want someone to leave??? PUT IT IN THEIR CONTRACT. If they refuse to sign it, which they should, then go find someone else.
    Compensation for an assistant GM or VP of operations (or whatever). DUMBEST FRIKEN THING I HAVE EVER HEARD OF. Again, dont want to lose someone. Give them a better deal or shut up and deal with the real world.
    Pay if someone isnt loyal. What kind of ridiculous organization do you want to run????

  43. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …this is getting’ tedious …I wake-up with the birds each morning anxious to read Our Habs have lassoed Roy as Head Coach

    …and HIO ain’t the place I check first, because ‘breaking news’ ain’t WHAT HIO is all about

    …cranky pontificating is WHAT HIO is about …not ‘breaking news’ 🙂

    …is it possible Bergevin is waiting until after the SC final because there are individuals on His radar still in the SC race ?

    …could it be He wants to introduce Our new HC as a group with His Assistant Coachs ? …could one of those A’s still in the race for the Cup be Lord Larry Robinson ?

    Naw! …THAT would be too good to be true 🙁

  44. petefleet says:

    If we are to believe what Spacek said in his interview, and I see no reason not to, then it explains alot of what went on this year with alot of the players we collectively posted about. Undernew management and coach, the players that struggled to find their way, Bourgue, PK and Eller, should rebound with great seasons. With the right pieces in place, the team should not finish in last place in the east this year. I don’t think anyone picked them to finish that low last year. I’m anxious to see who the new coach is and how he manages the group that we know will be returning. I’m also anxious to see who of the UFAs and RFAs MB brings back. I have my doubts he’ll buy out 3 contracts as some articles have suggested. But what then will he do with Gomer, Kaberle and Bourque? I believe Kaberle and Bourque will earn a spot on the roster at training camp and will be a part of the Habs at least until Xmas. Bold I know but, not as bold as a $10 million buy out package.


    “It just goes to show how difficult predictions are, especially ones made about the future.”

    ***Habs Forever***

  45. shiram says:

    Vigneault confirms Bobby Lou wants out of Vancouver.
    Nothing groundbreaking, but it confirms all we have heard so far.

    Vigneault also says the rumours about him joining the Habs, were just that, rumours.

    To Pleks or not to Pleks, that is the question.

  46. Ozmodiar says:

    McKeen’s top 10

    1-Nail Yakupov
    2-Alex Galchenyuk
    3-Filip Forsberg
    4-Ryan Murray
    5-Teuvo Teravainen
    6-Matthew Dumba
    7-Griffin Reinhart
    8-Morgan Rielly
    9-Mikhail Grigorenko
    10-Jacob Trouba

    I’m hoping TT’s list matches up exactly with this one.

    Grigo – 😯

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Lots of people seem to like Galchenyuk a lot. Hope Columbus doesn’t take him.

      • Ozmodiar says:

        I’d be okay with Forsberg, but I’m hoping someone takes Murray in the top 2 so TT gets to choose between the two.

        • TomNickle says:

          Forsberg ahead of who? Just out of curiosity. I’m wondering how so many people have taken such a liking to a player who posts mediocre numbers offensively at a level where even his countryman Sebastian Collberg has far surpassed him.

          The closer we get to the draft the more it appears that his legitimacy as a top 5 selection has less to do with merit and more to do with media creation and perceived name value.

          • Chris says:

            Wasn’t it you that said a while back that you had heard through the gravevine that Columbus was taking Filip Forsberg at #2?

          • TomNickle says:

            Yeah Chris it was. Dave Reid was on TSN for coverage of the under-18 Championships and he let the cat out of the bag that Columbus was taking Forsberg at #2 overall.

            I know through a former player that Howson and Reid are good friends so it’s either a smokescreen or the truth which really doesn’t say much I realize. From everyone that I know who’s acquainted with Reid he isn’t the type to posture like that on somebody’s behalf though, and a lot can change in between now and the end of June.

  47. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …I’m not in a position to compare the upsides of overall talent between Huberdeau and this Draft’s potentials, but if Timmins et al determine Huberdeau matches up well I would definitely wrangle the Franco in lieu of a Russian or other

  48. FanCritic says:

    IMO LA is the real deal to win the cup..

  49. habstrinifan says:

    Anyone listen to the Alain Vigneault presser to confirm his contract extension. Lots of “I” this and “I” that… then the unnecessary “no where else I would rather win a CUP than Vancouver”.

    Very little excitement in his words voice. I would love to get some revelations as to what he has been doing since Vancouver’s exit and now. Isnt this the ‘first’ time he’s faced the media since their playoff run ended.

    If his absence was due to family issues (illness etc I apologise for thinking the worse) but I find it all very curious how he disappeared until now.

    Unless of course I missed something.

    • Cardiac says:

      Let’s see, the guy coached the Canucks to back-to-back Presidents’ winning seasons, came one game from winning the Cup last year and got eliminated by a very underrated LA Kings team this year.

      Why does he owe to you, or the media, an explanation for “not facing the music”? Gillis addressed the media fine and well when the Canucks were eliminated. Vigneault doing so at that point would have been a little redundant, no?

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

      • habstrinifan says:

        Since you asked .. no!

        Are you seriously arguing that you are 100 percent OK that the coach who went into the playoffs as the favourite and also had many unanswered questions from the previous year’s playoffs exit and whose team is trounced in the first round should not have faced the media, as is done in the NFL,NBA etc etc.

        Again unless I missed something, he turned off the lights and went away to resurface with a two year contract extension a and a whole lot of platitudes.

        • Cardiac says:

          You’re missing the big picture… Boston was the better team and Thomas was a playoff God, end of story. What’s left to answer?

          As for this year, Schnieder did everything but score a goal. They lost two out of their four games by one goal and the other two games by two goals… hardly a trouncing. They played without their best player for the majority of the series. Again, what’s left to answer?

          “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
          – Jerry Maguire

  50. issie74 says:

    NO NO NO Mr Boone,

    No trading the Canadiens pick.


    • habstrinifan says:

      YES YES YES if Bergevin can acquire what is hoped for in the pick. A big impactful points producer who is a bonafide top 3 forward. .. without the wait or uncertainty.

      • shiram says:

        Our 3rd overall for Huberdeau was what Boone suggested.
        Seeing as Huberdeau has not seen NHL ice, might as well keep the pick.

        To Pleks or not to Pleks, that is the question.

        • habstrinifan says:

          No not for Huberdeau…. least in my non-expert opinion. But I would grant that others may see Huberdeau as I dont see him.

          • shiram says:

            Well it’s why Issie74 was going no no no.

            To Pleks or not to Pleks, that is the question.

  51. issie74 says:

    CBC guys Hewson/Simpson and Healy can discard the expensive suits and pull on the Ranger Jersey.

    They are so biased it is embarrassing. JMHO


  52. habstrinifan says:

    Is there some new ‘bitching moaning’, involvement by league re possibility of Dudley to Mtl. I know of Burke’s request that Dudley stay away draft day etc etc but seems lots of posts indicating further developments.

    • TomNickle says:

      I posted my opinion because according to Bob McKenzie and Darren Dreger teams(and I use that term loosely) will be pushing for compensation for the departure of team executives and coaches this off-season.

      I find it very coincidental that this has all of a sudden sprung up as a hot button issue with only the Leafs and Blackhawks losing significant members of their respective organizations lately.

      And I don’t recall this being at the forefront of GM and Ownership discussions when the Habs and Red Wings had their front offices poached over the last few years.

      Darren Dreger and to a lesser extent Bob McKenzie are puppets for Brian Burke. It’s the only thing that I don’t appreciate about TSN.

    • Cardiac says:

      The truth of the matter is the Habs have drafted better than the Leafs over the past five years, regardless of Dudley’s involvement. End of story.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

    • LNev says:

      Think of it as a non-compete clause. Pretty standard when people, especially execs, leave positions with most companies.

      Heck I’ve got one, and I’m not important.

  53. blu_blanc_rouge says:

    Dreger also said Jacques Martin was in the running for Habs GM position…Trust me he’s no ‘insider’

    • neumann103 says:

      It struck me as bizarre when TSN labelled Dreger as The Insider.

      Makes sense for McKenzie or eve McGuire but Dreger always seemed like just a sportscaster they didn’t have room for and were trying to force into this role.

      While I think he has grown into it a bit I still don’t thnk he has a ton of inside insight

      “Et le but!”

  54. ZepFan2 says:

    Is Viggo the biggest Canadiens fan or what?!

    I love this guy!

    “Bring it on home, Bring it on home to you…” – Plant/Page

    Bring it on Home

  55. TomNickle says:

    Ya know it’s funny I didn’t hear constant bitching and moaning when the Habs and Red Wings’ front offices were being raided like an indoor ant colony.

    Since the Blackhawks and Leafs have been losing staff members the league must all of a sudden bring back compensation for executives and coaches changing employers.

    What goes around comes around boys.

    • Cardiac says:

      You heard plenty of bitching and moaning when we lost Brisebois and Boucher, not to mention Muller. The thing was the bitching came from us… the fans…

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

      • TomNickle says:

        I didn’t hear the bitching and moaning about compensation. That’s a better way to put it. Brian Burke of all people should be keeping his mouth shut since he’s been investigated by the league for tampering on numerous occasions and has been fined once.

        I don’t recall Brian Burke offering up draft picks or money to the Anaheim Ducks when he bolted for Toronto and brought Nonis with him.

        • Cardiac says:

          Forget about Nonis… He’s been getting former Ducks like like Lupol, Beauchemin and Giguere, not to mention Wilson and Carlyle as if he can replicate the success he had with that franchise over 5 years ago.

          Mike Keenan tried the same thing with St. Louis by acquiring old washed up Rangers players he coached when they won the Cup in ’94. Needless to say it didn’t quite work out.

          “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
          – Jerry Maguire

        • ont fan says:

          Maybe the rederick is to appease the Leaf fans. You know how fans can be.

  56. HFX-HabFan says:

    Dreger on Twitter:

    Rick Dudley’s move from Toronto to Mtl likely before NHL Draft, but Dudley won’t be allowed to work the event for the Habs.

    • TomNickle says:

      Ha. Yeah I’ll bet Rick Dudley doesn’t have any kind of phone line that would enable him to communicate with fellow employees during the draft.

      Burke is such a dink.

      • petefleet says:

        Yes, he is and Dudley leaving is satifying for two reasons. One is that MTL is getting a good man and the other is Burke is left crying to the media like he always does. Yes, he is a dink.


        “It just goes to show how difficult predictions are, especially ones made about the future.”

        ***Habs Forever***

      • Ali says:

        If he wanted to, even if they didn’t let him leave, he could pick up the phone right now and tell Bergevin what he thinks. It’s all based on the honor system.

    • 24 Cups says:

      I find it hard to believe that Bergevin and Dudley wouldn’t have a two minute conversation before the draft.

      “Which centre should we take with the 3rd overall pick?”

      “What’s the short list on potential picks with #32?”

      The rest can be left with Timmins.

    • habsfansince91 says:

      Not saying it won’t happen, but remember that it was Dreger who said that Vigneault and the Canucks would part ways.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Exactly. I’m not sure that Dreger is that well connected, at least not as much as he lets on.

        • habsfansince91 says:

          That’s what I’m starting to believe as well. Sometimes I get the feeling those guys who start rumors on twitter are more reliable than him.

        • HFX-HabFan says:

          Dreger isn’t bang-on about everything, but usually when it’s Leafs-related he is. I think he has pretty good connections/sources within the Laughs organization. Other than that, he’s a poor man’s Bob McKenzie.

  57. jon514 says:

    Not sure if anyone here follows the Impact, but they just signed a really good Italian striker.

  58. habs03 says:

    Bergevin first front office hire…

    lool (only a scout)

  59. Lafleurguy says:

    Read you all on the next thread. Mike is sleepy today and who can blame him. Out to cut some grass. See ya.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  60. adamkennelly says:

    Please no Hartley. Wouldn’t it be nice if Muller was still a possibility? I am for giving Roy a shot – Savard, Carbo as assistants…

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Muller would have been perfect. I don’t think there is any question that he was responsible for the stints of success the Habs had while he was here. He also had Carolina playing well in the 2nd half last year.

      I think he’s be better than any of the suggested names….too bad.

  61. HFX-HabFan says:

    Slow day, so in light of the conclusion of the “world championships”, let’s have some fun and look ahead to Team Canada 2014:

    M Richards-Bergeron-Giroux
    E Staal

    Forwards on the bubble: Getzlaf, Eberle, Hall, J Staal, Skinner, Lucic, Kane, B Richards

    M Staal

    D on the bubble: Myers, Burns, Subban, Phaneuf


    Canada over the host Russians for Olympic gold repeat. Half the roster is made up of returnees from the 2010 squad.

    • bel33 says:

      I’ll bite… and probably get an earful for this… but what about Jerome Iginla.. not being on the team? Sochi is still two years away and he’ll be how old?
      Just looking to create some conversation… so don’t get mad anyone.

      • HFX-HabFan says:

        It’s perfectly within the realm of possibility that Iggy will be left off the squad. His game could very well drop off in the next season or two, and he might not be the best fit for the larger international ice surface. My thinking is that he would bring “veteran presence” and leadership (I think he’d be the only player over 30) on a team that will be pretty young overall.

      • habstrinifan says:

        I wont be surprised if he was and even if Iginla himself kinda was ok with that. He seems like a very straight up kinda guy and also one who wont stand in the way of youth…remember we are talking more than a season away.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      I’d say Eberle will make the Olympic team. He performs well for Canada at the international level and always seems to come up with big goals.

    • petefleet says:

      Man, I like your line up for the most part. You have centres at centre and wingers on the wing. Why couldn’t they do that 2 Olympics ago? I seriously hope though that there is more to choose from than Fleury and Ward for the goalies. Aside from Iginla, who will be old in 2014, I really think that group could bring home the gold.
      Side bar: do you have your tix for the CAN / RUS series in August?


      “It just goes to show how difficult predictions are, especially ones made about the future.”

      ***Habs Forever***

      • HFX-HabFan says:

        Mike Smith could sneak his way into the conversation, especially if he maintains the numbers he had this past season/postseason, and if Tippett snags an assistant coaching role for Team Canada.

        Sadly (sort of) I will be in Florida that week for a friend’s wedding at Disney World. Looks like MacKinnon isn’t getting to play in it either…bummer.

        • petefleet says:

          I got 1st row, upper bowl, centre ice, my favourite spot. Can’t wait. Didn’t know MacKinnon was out! How come? Enjoy FLA, awsome place to visit.


          “It just goes to show how difficult predictions are, especially ones made about the future.”

          ***Habs Forever***

    • Malreg says:

      I would be shocked if Alzner makes the team. I would rather Subban on the big ice(of course I guess I’m a little biased…).

      • HFX-HabFan says:

        I would rather Subban too- the reality is that the majority of Canada’s best D are RH shots, and I don’t think that Keith realistically can be the only LH shot back there. Alzner/Staal, maybe even Cowen (though he probably isn’t a good fit for the bigger ice) will get just as much of a look as Phaneuf and Bouwmeester.

  62. shiram says:

    Habs hire another scout.

    Bobby Kinsella, the Dubuque Fighting Saints’ director of scouting/assistant coach.

    To Pleks or not to Pleks, that is the question.

  63. Newf_Habster says:

    Out of curiosity, can Scott Mellanby speak French since he was born in Montreal?

  64. habsfan0 says:

    It looks like competition to be Habs next head coach is down to Bob Hartley and Patrick Roy. Marc Crawford’s involvement in Moore incident rules him out,IMHO.

    • shiram says:

      I think you are forgetting everyone’s favorite french speaking Russian : Vyacheslav Bykov

      To Pleks or not to Pleks, that is the question.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      If Crawford were out of the running, don’t you think he would have told his good buddies at TSN?

    • nickster13 says:

      Whereas Roy’s incident with his son is no biggie?

      Crawford was never officially at fault, and was cleared of charges, plus he coaches grown men, hardly a black mark…
      Also Hartley was the coach of Atlanta when Heatley had his car crash. Is it his fault too? I doubt it..

      “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the rocket!”

      • habsfan0 says:

        I seriously doubt if Crawford told Heatley to go out, total his vehicle, thus costing his teammate his life.

        What Crawford told Todd Bertuzzi to do is open for debate.

      • The Dude says:

        Besides Moore’s trying too take Naslund out of his career, Crawford was the demanding force “ringleader” behind the scene! I live in B.C. and watched the two games played leading up to the unfortunate outcome. Did you?

  65. ont fan says:

    Random thots: Denis Savard has endorsed P. Roy as coach. If we could only get a free agent like Gaborik who comes to play in the playoffs.Sarcasm. Deboer has changed N.J. They are watchable. On the other hand, the Rangers.Well except for Torts that is.

    • petefleet says:

      Very random and confusing. When did Gaborik show up? He was bench 2 games ago and barely had any shots the last game.


      “It just goes to show how difficult predictions are, especially ones made about the future.”

      ***Habs Forever***

    • Malreg says:

      “If we could only get a free agent like Gaborik who comes to play in the playoffs”

      Really…? have you watched these playoffs? He was completely invisible this entire series except for a few shifts yesterday.

  66. 24 Cups says:

    Stouffville’s pride and joy, Michael Del Zotto, is starting to wilt under the heat.

    Brad Richards needs to step up big time in these last two games. He was given the huge contract for that exact reason.

    I’m eating crow on the Zidlicky trade from Minnesota. He was absolutely brutal for the past year and half before turning it totally around in Jersey. He’ll be a +35 contract this summer but has all but assured himself a Spacek like deal.

    Huberdeau for the Habs’ first rounder is laughable. Not a chance in hell that’s happening.

    Marty Brodeur inches closer to the legacy as the greatest goaltender of all time.

    • ed lopaz says:

      I have eaten my share of crow!

      tastes like chicken.

    • New says:

      I’m not convinced Huberdeau has a huge NHL future, but he is very young right now. If he matures and with that skillset he could be a gamebreaker.

      Anyway all to say JT talked to Brian Skrudland and says Florida isn’t letting him go anywhere.

    • Strummer says:

      Of the the Rangers top 4 Girardi is the elder statesman at 28.
      Staal, Del Zotto, McDonough are 25, 21,22.

      They don’t have enough veteran presence- a Spatch, Gill, Hamrlik or a Pronger for example.

      Devils have Zidlicky plus Big Bird behind the bench.

      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

      • HFX-HabFan says:

        Steve Eminger doesn’t count? Ha

        • Strummer says:

          No, Eminger doesn’t count.
          He hasn’t been a factor.
          He’s only 28 as well and only played 3 games in the playoffs- he’s been scratched or injured
          When in the lineup he’s averaged 8 minutes a night.

          “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

          • habstrinifan says:

            But I would consider making him a offer since he is UFA. Probably could be had for approximately 900.000 max.

    • petefleet says:

      Name a player who went NJ who didn’t turn his game around. That team has a history, even though faces change, of getting the best out of every player on the roster. If they can’t, they very quickly get rid of them. They don’t hold onto hope that they’ll turn it around. I look at Kovalchuk and the way he’s playing and remember thinking “What the hell is he doing going to NJ?”.

      “It just goes to show how difficult predictions are, especially ones made about the future.”

      ***Habs Forever***

  67. ooder says:

    oh man i’ve been up since 6 due to jetlag.. even the internet is boring at 6
    The 2010-11 Stanley Cup was not won, but given

    • shiram says:

      Should have gone on Australian webistes, they would have been active at that hour.

      To Pleks or not to Pleks, that is the question.

      • RGM says:

        Habs Inside/Out Down/Under.

        GO HABS GO! Maybe 2012-13 will be our year!
        “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

        Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

  68. frontenac1 says:

    Armagnac! Agreed boing007! I love having one after a nice dinner!

  69. Lafleurguy says:

    Bob Hartley probably had both Marion Hossa and Ilya Kovalchuk at the same time in Atlanta. Amazing to recall Ottawa having Alfredson, Hossa, Chara, Havlat, Redden, Phillips at one time and not being able to win it all. Get Grigorenko, and if passed over Galchenyuk instead of Grigorenko, but don’t expect them be as good as Kovalchuk or Hossa.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  70. Strummer says:

    What an epic collapse. Rangers vs. Kings for the Cup
    by Mike Boone 10:05 PM

    Like the Pitt-Philly series the epic collapses were occurring in both ends- the goaltending in particular

    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  71. pastor_prime says:

    I don’t think we should get Rick Dudley, I don’t want anyone on the Habs with “Dud” in his name.
    Besides…. what was his job last year? nuff said…

    Only Gomez knows what being Gomez feels like.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Good afternoon Berlin. Here in Toronto, there is hyper/uber information about gentlemen like Rick Dudley. By most accounts, he is a manic worker in management type tasks and possesses GM experience. In TO, he is at best third fiddle behind Nonis, and may welcome the golden opportunity to work for the fabled Canadiens at an important juncture in the team’s rich history.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • aj says:

      Hard to say, the ‘Dud’ will be employed here anyway as long as MB is in town doing the GM responsibilities for the Habs. He knows Dudley will be his confidant before the season starts.

    • commandant says:

      Yeah spending one season as the 5th in command in Toronto totally takes away from all the other work he did in the NHL, like winning the Stanley Cup as 2nd in command in Chicago…. Ripping off the Hawks for Ladd and Byfuglien when named GM in Atlanta… his years in management in Ottawa, and Buffalo, etc..

      But he was a minor part of the Leafs organization (mostly scouting for them for the draft) last year. He clearly sucks.

      Go Habs Go!
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