Letters from camp

• Pat Hickey checks in from development camp

• Hickey on the choice of Price

• Arpon Basu on the likely lineup

Gauthier goes with youth

Gauthier video from RDS

• Boston has a cap problem

Whither Avtsin?

Whither Guerin?

Whither Modano?

Great Tweet from Larry Brooks of the New York Post: Ilya Kovalchuk will be announcing his decision on
Versus. What? He already did but no one was watching?

757 Comments

  1. NightRyder says:

    You know, it’s funny. I’ve been here for years, but never really engaged you because I generally can’t get past the first line or two of any of your obtuse posts, and have never actually found anything insightful enough from you to instigate a debate.

    The one time I do and invite you to provide some real hockey insight, I find out you’ve got nothing. Which I probably should have suspected all along.

    I always appreciate all the different points of view here and have even had reasonable debates with some of the so-called “trolls” who, despite their obvious quest for negative attention, occasionally have something insightful to say.

    But you have nothing. You make blanket statements and lack the knowledge, substance or background in the game to back them up in any significant way. When I press you on it, you want to be left alone or try to switch gears.

    Grow up? Sure. I’ll aspire to be a vapid poseur like you.

  2. pic1983 says:

    It was a classless move by Walsh, and so was the halak’s very public “play me or trade me” (although he didnt say it in those words).

  3. TripleX says:

     

    I believe you are singularly brilliant.

     

    Am I still batting a thousand?

    You make it way to easy dude!  ROFL

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  4. ZepFan2 says:

    Which hopefully, we’ll all be saying this year about Price.

    😉

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    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  5. ed lopaz says:

    Thanks for the reply. I’ll try and respond.

    How do you know for a fact that they had already decided before the playoffs to keep Price and trade Halak?

    well – no one knows for certain – of course. however, around these circles, the guys that support keeping price

    have repeated that line hundreds of times. even gainey came out in public before christmas and confirmed

    that the habs were actively looking to trade halak. pierre boivin, president, was quoted after a lunch meeting,

    that the habs would trade halak within a 2 week period, and this was before the olympic break.

    so quotes coming from then Gm and president kind of lend some credibility to the notion that they were

    intending to trade halak.

    How do you know for a fact that Halak’s agent “pissed them off”?

    well, all we know for sure, is that Walsh tweeted prices winning percentage since jan 2009, and we know that

    this was followed by the reaction I have outlined above – from gainey and boivin.

    maybe “pissed off” is not a great way of explaining – I would have been ‘pissed off”, maybe gainey and

    boivin were “relieved” that halak’s agent had gone public.

    many people here seem to feel that it was Walsh’s actions which puched Habs management over the edge,

    and that halak did not even want to play for the habs next season.

    Screw giving Price “playoff development”, they weren’t concerned with it at that point, they wanted to win.

    yes – i agree – they wanted to win. especially Jm who stood to gain a 500,000 bonus if the habs made the

    playoffs, and he clearly chose halak to be the # 1 guy after the olympics in the hope that the habs would win.

     

     

  6. Bugs says:

    Nice save.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  7. ZepFan2 says:

    I’m sorry, I don’t do other teams players. I’m a Habs fan. 😉

    Again Bugsy, time to move on.

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    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  8. bwoar says:

    Exactly, sign him right up to the end of the 2nd Five Year Plan (thanks HardHabits!)  It’s just realistic management.

  9. Bugs says:

    Analysis? No.

    Statement of fact. Unlike your brilliant analytical retort.

    The Kid indeed lets in stinkers that kill us.

    This fact is an element taken into consideration in the analysis.

    Gonna hang on my ever word now lookin for “analysis”, Ryder? Or else make another stink how I never “bring in numbers”?

    Grow up, mate.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  10. Bugs says:

    Ok.

    Now do Halak.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  11. ZepFan2 says:

    As opposed to the Halak-a-Drones whining and throwing Price under the bus for all that ails the Habs. Uh-huh.

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    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  12. bostonantifan says:

    Ed, 

    I think thet(sp) Habs should have played Price throughout the playoffs if they were going to keep him.”

    “Why would they keep playing Halak, if they were just going to trade him any way…”

    Just because you don’t understand that logic doesn’t mean “No one understands that logic.”.  I understand the logic, and I’ll explain it to you.  

    • How do you know for a fact that they had already decided before the playoffs to keep Price and trade Halak?
    • How do you know for a fact that Halak’s agent “pissed them off”?
    The logic behind their decision to play Halak is that they believed, based on past performance, that Halak gave the team the best chance at winning games in the playoffs.  Screw giving Price “playoff development”, they weren’t concerned with it at that point, they wanted to win.

     

  13. NightRyder says:

    There’s some in-depth analysis for you. Nice job coach.

  14. NightRyder says:

    The next time I see some in-depth analysis from you will be the first.

  15. ZepFan2 says:

    I haven’t been privy to the behind the scenes Price as those with more experience in evaluating players potential have.

    What I see is a YOUNG man struggling to find his game LAST year.

    This year hasn’t even started. How the hell do I know what Price has been doing in the off-season.

    You act as if others with potential have never faulted on this team (hello Benoit).

    Was I happy with Pouliot’s performance in the playoffs? No.

    Do I think we should have gotten rid of him? No.

    Why, because of his potential. Which leads us right back to Price and his potential. Let’s see what improvements he’s made and than we can have a better assessment of the upcoming year.

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    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  16. TripleX says:

    Why do you always want to prove me wrong dude?  xD

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  17. NightRyder says:

    He is a living legend.

    So is Henri Richard.

    Both stopped being among the best at their chosen professions a long, long time ago.

  18. Storm Man says:

     Dude you are making statistical history.

  19. NightRyder says:

    Anyone find it interesting that Boston has also chosen to go with the younger, bigger goalie over the smaller VEZINA TROPHY winning guy?

    I wonder if the equipment changes are really going to be a big deal after all.

     

  20. ed lopaz says:

    there will never be data like we had last year. last year was THE YEAR to compare the 2 goalies.

    both were playing behind the same lineup, in the same year.

     

     

  21. Bugs says:

    That’s fine.

    But tell me, what have you seen with your OWN EYES, Zeppy?

    Don’t YOU have an opinion?

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  22. SLONCOLD says:

    his agent was a nut case. But bob went to the media and made the trade public….

    i mentioned this yesterday, showcasing goalies is risky. the habs are about making money and that means making the playoffs, i don’t think you show case /build up halak if it meant losing games and points.

  23. Bugs says:

    And not let in stinkers.

    It’s the stinkers he lets in that hurt us the most.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  24. NightRyder says:

    What exactly is he supposed to say when he comes to a new team?

    He came for the six-million bucks a year, to play in a Canadian city that wasn’t Toronto.

    If Koivu was here instead of Gomez, he’d be doling out the platitudes about how great it was going to be to play alongside a fierce competitor like Saku Koivu.

    If Shawn Horcoff were here (God forbid) instead of Gomez, Cammy would be singing the song about how excited he was to play with Shawn Horcoff. Insert any of about 40 potential centres he could play with, and the quotes would be exactly the same. He came for the cash, the term and the city, not to play alongside a second-line centre.

    Gionta came to Montreal because no one else would have offered a five-foot 30-year-old coming off a 20-goal season $25M over five years. They were talking about him taking a pay cut to return to NJ before Big Bob stepped up with his chequebook in hand.

     

  25. fbkj says:

    well thats that lets trade price for raycroft

  26. ZepFan2 says:

    Yes, that’s what I meant…sheesh.

    Again, I’ll stick with the advice of a hall of famer over a journalist any day. That’s just me.

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    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  27. joeybarrie says:

    Next time PLEASE post this first, so i dont have to go all crazy trying to prove you wrong…….. NICE.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  28. fbkj says:

    hes not just making blind predictions though bugs what hes talking about comes from experience

    “All his predictions of the future have come to be?” <——???????????

    nobody said he was kreskin what he did though is give his 2 cents in regards to why the only people who dont covet price, league wide, are habs fans

    k well leafs fans too because they want him to faulter out of spite

  29. TripleX says:

     

    You do realize to be ALWAYS WRONG is a near statistical impossibility?

    Of course you do.  You know everything worth knowing and any other opinion is only worthy of your scorn or insults.

    How old are you?  SEVEN?

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  30. ed lopaz says:

    funny thing to say on a board that is run by Boone – who calls Red Fisher a “living legend”.

     

     

  31. ZepFan2 says:

    Probably thinking the exact same thing he said before the playoffs.

    Funny we all bemoan the loss of Tenderness and Kosty jr. as though we gave up on them, yet when it comes to Price some people want him run out of town. Crazy $hit.

    Fleury wasn’t too hot for the Pens and they stuck with him. Look where that got them.

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    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  32. Bugs says:

    After seeing him in our jersey playing 10 games?

    I sure did.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  33. TripleX says:

    Sorry, it was in the last TWENTY YEARS:

    In the last 20 years, there have only been a handful of goaltenders as young as Halak that had a season with a save percentage better than his .924 mark in 2009-2010 (while playing at least 40 games). 

    One was Tuukka Rask last season, whose .931 mark tied Roberto Luongo in 2003-2004 with a .931 save percentage. 

    Martin Brodeur in 1996-1997 (.927) andAndrew Raycroft in 2003-2004 (.926) were the only other goaltenders in the last 20 years to record a better save percentage in a season while aged 24 or younger.

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  34. Bugs says:

    I use all those reasoning tools. But so disguised in absurd language you don’t see it. Or refuse to when it goes against your opinion.

    That’s not my fault, mate. Nothing to do with me.

    So read, or don’t read, but undermining my logic to justify yourself won’t make it all better, I’m afraid.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  35. sholi2000.com says:

    It all stems from what Allan Walsh did in December.  Once he crossed the Habs management Halak was as good as gone.  How do you move a player?  You build him up, and then let other teams pay for it.

    Theodore

    Huet

    now Halak

    and you could be right about Price as well.  But he kept his mouth shut the entire time, he stood by, supported Halak (even after Walsh was making fun of Price’s stats) and now Halak is gone.

    I love my Canadiens goalies, but once you cross management you’re as good as gone.

    It’s like holding out for more money when you are under contract.  Once you do it, no team will look at you with love in their eyes.

    Never cross Management!!

    They Call Me Shane

  36. TripleX says:

     

    Every team is allowed to go 10% over the cap ( 63 million ) until training camp is over so there is no cap pressure this time of year.

    Seems no other team is worried about cap space yet.  Plenty of time to cover your bases and make final judgements in the Fall.

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  37. NightRyder says:

    Three things would immediately help Gomez.

    1. Pull a Sedin, change things up and consciously look for your own shot. Word gets around the league quickly.

    2. A big-bodied winger with a nose for the net. Cammalleri, Gionta and Kostitsyn are all essentially finishers. They are quick and know how to get to open spots. And while Cammy and Gionta aren’t scared to get to the dirty areas, they are not difficult enough to contain once they get there. A big body could create some mismatches down low for the d-men, giving Gomez that much more open space. Pouliot showed a little of that initially before he pulled his disappearing act. Maybe Benny brings his A-game this year. Maybe they give Pacioretty a shot. Who knows?

    3. Failing that, a more creative winger. If Gomez had a winger that was more able to carry the puck and create plays, it would force him to become more of a goal-scorer, and I think he’s smart enough to do that. I don’t see any of them in the system right now. I’d be tempted to play Plekanec and Gomez together more on the PP and see what happens there.

    I don’t hate Gomez. I just hate his contract – for now.

    But because he’s going to be around, I want him to succeed.

  38. ed lopaz says:

    you are absolutely right!

    which makes it very surprising that the habs would then give the job to Halak for 18/19 playoff starts,

    was that a mistake?

    I think thet Habs should have played Price throughout the playoffs if they were going to keep him.

    It doesn’t make any sense – you sit your future goalie, and he misses another year of playoff development.

    Why would they keep playing Halak, if they were just going to trade him any way, because his agent pissed

    them off, and because they couldn’t afford his salary demands?

    No one understands that logic.

    At least give Price the playoff experience if you truly beive in him.

     

  39. joeybarrie says:

    Where are these 4 goalie’s ever to get .924 sv% by the time they were 24????

    I count 4 so far currently playing in the NHL… Rask, Brodeur, Luongo and Raycroft. Ive stopped looking.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  40. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Funny, I thought the operative word in my post was “truthful”.

  41. TripleX says:

     

    Silly question?  IF Halak almost cost the team a playoff spot with his abysmal play why not play the Franchise?

    Is it possible Price could be worse than a truly abysmal Halak?

    Just asking dude?

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  42. Bugs says:

    Consider it said then.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  43. Dintrox says:

    You need to sign the 2 players and have money to cover call ups. ask Sutter about spending to the cap and not being able to call up for injuries.

    December 4, 2009 – Elmer Lach’s jersey took its rightful place with the Rocket’s in the rafters.

  44. ed lopaz says:

    That line from Bowman was stated about 6 months before the playoffs even began.

    If Price was such a great goalie, why did he spend the entire playoffs cheering for his team from the bench?

    Seems to me the Habs could have used his “brilliance” at some point.

    Nope.

    Save for 1 start – he sat there and watched “his” team roll on for 3 series and 19 games.

    I wonder what Bowman was thinking of Price during the playoffs.

     

  45. Bugs says:

    Are you serious, mate? So what, no one can say anything that goes against Scotty Bowman’s predictions of the future? That it?

    All his predictions of the future have come to be? And this is due to his winning Stanley Cups? Is that how that works?

    Ok then. Sorry. Too bad for Fisher too.

    And hey, the Priceberg will be better than Halak, so we win.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  46. sholi2000.com says:

    I remember, but like we’re not allowed to talk about Halak’s failures. 

    It was like watching Huet all over again.

    If Price would have left and Halak stayed I would have had no problems with the org’s decisions.

    They decided on Carey, and as a Price fan that’s great.

    They Call Me Shane

  47. Storm Man says:

    – Duodecillion as your posts are always wrong.

  48. TripleX says:

    That’s it?  LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

     

    Try SIX MILLION better reasons why he came to Montreal dude.

    LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  49. TripleX says:

    STILL WAITING??

    YOU DON”T WANT TO LOOK SILLY?  DO YOU?

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  50. fbkj says:

    oh yes my bad i missed out on your clear and consice post

    wasnt saying anything other than what i said

  51. CanadienBoy says:

    Did you said the same about Poupou..

  52. crabvader says:

    Ok well that scratches out what I thought he might’ve been saying. Thanks for clearing it up.

    Still don’t like him. 😉

  53. Storm Man says:

    I did my homework and saw what the Canadiens were up to the past few days admitted Cammalleri ” seeing a player like Scott Gomez come to the Habs is a big reason why montreal looked so attactive to me. guess you don’t read the habs web site much? http://www.canadiens.com look for built for speed under news. Hope you have a better rest of the day.

  54. TripleX says:

     

    -0.999999 repeating

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  55. The Big O says:

    Does anyone remember that this same goalie that everyone is raving about for his playoff performance, almost cost the habs a playoff position by crapping the bed for the last 3-4 games at year end with the easiest schedule of all playoff contending teams??  If he was solely responsible for the playoff success he was equally responsible for the last 3-4 games of the year when we made it in by a hair….  but then again habs fans only have very short term memories….

  56. crabvader says:

    Not only that but a Hall of Famer, a legend and the real last coach to ice a dynasty.

  57. Bugs says:

    I did. Right below.

    Added an edit not to hurt anyone’s feelings but the point is clear: so what if Fisher agrees with me? I don’t consider it a supportive argument.

    So you were saying?

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  58. likehoy says:

    pretty interesting stuff! i’ve always been a fan of kevin smith movies so this will be interesting to see a hockey movie from him

  59. crabvader says:

    What I think should happen is we should ice a team that won’t allow 50+ shots a game, those types of games that Halak thrives on.

    That’s important.

    Halak is a great goaltender. Still, if he isn’t tested, he has problems in the crease. If we happen to outshoot opponents, more often than not, he would let in softies.

    We can’t have a team that constantly lets the opposition shoot twice as much as we do.

    That being said, Price is going to be cheaper and will give us some wiggle room come next year when we have to make a decision whether to keep Markov and have room to sign Gorges and your boy Pouliot, should he perform to expectations.

    I’m aware this is Hamrlik’s last year on contract with us and it would be fantastic to be able to sign someone from the much richer crop of free agents we will see after next year.

    If we had an endless supply of money and were unrestricted by a cap, I would want Halak to stay. No fool wanted him to leave. Price is a good goaltender. He needs confidence and needs to refine his skillset, like any young goaltender who’s ever played in this league.

     

  60. TripleX says:

    So I guess all those individuals who said Gainey screwed up by taking a goalie with a top 5 pick were right.

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  61. SLONCOLD says:

    fleury didn’t cary his team. he played a role and made some key saves. but the pens go as far as crosby and malkin will go. never been a huge fluery fan either….

  62. ZepFan2 says:

    So, if you had health problems, you’d take advice from a plumber?

    If you need hockey advice, who would you take it from, a journalist or a Stanley cup winning coach?

    Just saying.

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    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  63. Natrous says:

    LOL

    I had the same question

  64. pic1983 says:

    Sean Couturier? Hes from Bathhurst, NB.

    Im sure if we ended up with him though all the french news outlets will talk about him like hes a native quebeccer.

  65. SLONCOLD says:

    i want price to do well and i will be cheering for him and wearing my price shirt too. but he’s gotta help me out with some big games to gain all my trust.

  66. fbkj says:

    you could say the same to ed who laid out the first “cuz he said so”

     

  67. ed lopaz says:

    on July 1, I asked Boone that question.

    he replied that “if they truly believe in Price they better give him a 4 year deal”.

    Boone did not offer up a dollar figure.

     

  68. NightRyder says:

    No, I mean real in-depth analysis supported with facts, numbers, intelligent reasoning and real-life experience in and around the game.

    Not surface-level comments disguised with absurd language.

    My problem remains trying to engage people seriously way too often in such a forum. But I should have known by your tagline and online “persona” that that’s not important to you.

    Roam free Bugsy. Roam free.

  69. fbkj says:

    he was actually being complimentary with it

    “You guys had a killer year, where people everywhere were going; ‘Oh
    my God, the Habs may go all the way!’

    “The team just kept on
    coming from behind; you guys had the sodomy year,” marvels Smith,
    offering the sort of crack analysis we’ll never hear on Hockey Night in
    Canada.

  70. Natrous says:

    That’s a really good point – I wish Gomez had more of a nose for the net, even for a decent shot. I’ve seen him do it in NJ, not so much as a Ranger, but he’s got the ability as long as he’s not always relying on Gionta or *insert winger name here*.

  71. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Actually no, that’s not what I said – but i can see why you’d like to think so.

     

    Ooh! Check out the tough guy on the anonymous internet forum!

  72. pic1983 says:

    Pretty sure that the $50 million was paid to his japanese club, not to daisuke himself.  Either way, he got a ridiculously lucrative contract from the red sox which (and im not the biggest baseball fan so i may be off base) he doesnt deserve. 

  73. GuyDoon says:

    LoL. Don’t be sorry. That’s why I started with “Entertainemnt”. I’m sure Lombardi could find any number of trade options for that package. Besides, LA loves Simmonds so he’s going nowhere. Then again, even a broken watch is right twice a day!


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