Leblanc a nice, round number for Habs – with audio

Louis Leblanc joins the Canadiens family at the 2009 NHL entry draft at the Bell Centre.
Dave Sandford, NHLI via Getty Images

UPDATE: Lines and defence pairings at Tuesday practice in Anaheim: Kostitsyn-Plekanek-Gionta, Cammalleri-Desharnais-Cole, Palushaj-Eller-Moen, darche-Nokelainen-Weber | Markov-Emelin, Gill-Diaz, Gorges-Subban

AUDIO: Jacques Martin | excellent stuff from Max Pacioretty | Louis Leblanc | Randy Carlyle (on rumours)

Louis Leblanc is expected to arrive in Anaheim Tuesday afternoon and make his Canadiens debut Wednesday night  vs. the Ducks. Leblnac has been  called up  from the Hamilton Bulldogs to fill in for suspended Max Pacioretty.

And if he does see action, Leblanc will become the 800th different man to play for the Canadiens since the team was founded for the 1909-10 National Hockey Association season.

The Canadiens came into the season with 791 players on their all-time roster, according to the club’s 2011-12 media guide. New names added to the list this season have been goalie Peter Budaj, forwards Erik Cole, Michael Blundin and Petteri Nokelainen and defencemen Alexei Emelin, Raphael Diaz, Chris Campoli and Frédéric St-Denis, who’s played both D and up front.

So Leblanc becomes No. 800 in a long list of Canadiens.


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  2. podbay says:

    .: Fans have written that it’s time to end the Gomez era. I think it’s time to end the Darche era – great guy, hard worker, but one point in 24 games? I’d like to see one – just one – young rookie given a chance to prove himself rather than have to wait 2-4 years to “develop” in the minors. Is Gallagher ready to go, or does he need another 2-4 years of priming first? How much more assessment do these players need? Why is it that other teams can ice players in their teens, but the Habs seem either hell-bent on refusing to do so, or apparently are determined to draft players completely incapable of competing at the NHL level out of the gate.

    Ah well…just consider this an expression of more frustration as the year plays out.

    • Kelectro says:

      While I don’t necessarily agree that Gallagher is a good fit for the Habs just yet – I 100% percent agree that watching Darche play is painful. He seems like a great guy, and he is a hard worker – but maybe that should translate into an assistant coaching gig. Seeing him on the PP makes me hurt on the inside. He’s just doesn’t have the skill to do anything but skate up and down the ice. Which, he is very good at.

  3. HABitat4humanity says:

    Get rid of Darsche & Pulushaj replace with Brendan Gallagher & Leblanc. Also ask the St. Louis Blues if we can have D’agostini back for Palushaj.

    Put Gomez (when he gets back) on a line with Camellari & Gionta as they had chemistry last year.

    Get rid of Martin & hire Bruce Boudreau. Also get rid of whoever is in charge of player trades & drafting. PG has to go as well.

    have Pleks with Cole & Patches
    have DD with Kos & Eller
    Moen with Leblanc & Gallagher.

    Send the rest to the Bulldogs or waivers

    On D

    Markov, Emelin,
    Subban Gill
    Georges, Diaz or Spacek when he gets healthy.

    Just my $0.02

  4. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Kirk taking over coaching responsibility for the ‘Canes will give Us Whom feel He was ‘the reason’ for Our PP success during His time in Montreal, an opportunity to verify more certainly that was the case
    …’Canes has one of the NHL’s least effective powerplays at 12 % success …watch to see if that % improves significantly under Captain Kirk, or not
    …I think it will, …significantly

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

  5. Un Canadien errant says:

    Louis Leblanc is all fine and good, but what we need in Hamilton is a Dean Youngblood and a Derek Sutton, to stand up to the Carl Racki’s of the world.

    How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?


  6. JIMVINNY says:

    HH, I`m with you. Bring on the TANK!!!!

    dump a few of the over-priced, under-performing vets at the deadline for picks and prospects, draft high, and sign a big name PF on July 1. Pull off the one-year turnaround.

    If that donkey in Philly can pull it off, a vegan goat should have no problem.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Power forwards, contrary to popular belief do not grow on trees. We have two in Pacioretty and Cole and that’s better than most teams in the NHL.

      As for free agency: Ryan Smyth just got back to the only city he ever loved in Edmonton. Dustin Penner is embarassing LA on a daily basis for what they paid for him. You could theoretically plop down for an RFA, but than MTL loses the high 1st pick they were after in first place!

      I’m still not even sure MTL could fail badly enough to hit the real floor and garner a Top-2 pick to get Grigorenko or Yakupov as well. Would need to lose about 8-10 straight just to fall back to where the bottom of the league is.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • Habs_4_ever says:

        Therein lies the rub.

        “That’s the save of the year and it’s not even the year yet!”

      • HardHabits says:

        Habs wont get into the draft lottery. They’re not bad enough. Just not good enough to make the play-offs either. Habs are playing where they look to stay between 22nd and 18th over-all/

        However they should over the course of the next few years start trading players for picks and try moving up in the draft.

        The last thing we need is to make another splash on the UFA market or start trading away futures to teams looking to dump contracts.

        Burke and Sather are like hardened warriors making BG/PG look like little boys by comparison.

        • Sakukoivumc11 says:

          Book It ! The Habs will make the playoffs as they are actually way better than they are showing ! We have three top D in Markov, Gorges and Subban, we have two power forwards in Cole and Pacioretty, we have defensive players to kill penalties in Plekanec and Eller, we have players who can score in Cammy, Gionta, Plekanec and they have the greatest fans in the world ! They will be there so order your playoff tickets now, book it !

          paolo merenda

  7. chilli says:

    I do feel that most people that comment on this site want the coach to be fired and that the GM knows nothing (strange, Cole is our best player, he must know something, Price is the franchise so Gainey knew something).
    We haven’t skated our full team this year – perhaps it is too late – but who knows. We are a 5 game winning streak away from righting the shitty start we had. Can we do that? Haven’t seen a lot of evidence, but with an improved power play, anything is possible. We are where we are because of our power play – or lack thereof.

    If the Habs were to lose the next 3 on this west coast swing – I do feel you complainers will get your wish. The Habs are in a delicate spot… so one 3 game slip or one winning streak will determine how we proceed for the season.

    I’ll be at the Kings game on Saturday able to watch these guys live for the first time this season. Very psyched.


    • montreal ace says:

      I would never give up this early in a race, so I dont expect the Habs to throw in the towel. I hope that the fact Max is sitting tonight fires up the boys and they use it as a motivating factor. Tonight I hope Louis shocks the fans with a great game and we finish with a win, and he stays in the lineup. I still think that this team will make the playoffs and surprise people.

  8. Trisomy 21 says:

    So an open question but sparked by a comment I read on twitter from Seriousfan09, who said something along the lines of Kristo being one of 4 top 6 prospects in the pipeline. This blew me away because he’s already 21 and still playing in one of the worst leagues for development.
    I assume Leblanc, Gallagher and Bournival are the other 3, but do they have top 6 potential? I’ve followed the prospects over the last year but I have no idea how well stats usually translate in the transition to the NHL

    • Clay says:

      I’m just stunned you’re following him on Twitter :0

      “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau.

    • samTHEman says:

      IMO out of Palushaj, Bournival, Leblanc, Gallagher, Kristo, Avtsin, Bournival has the most potential top 6 up-side

    • rhino514 says:

      Louis Leblanc is projected by the more neutral sources as an average third liner with upside to a mediocre (not quite average) second liner. Bournival was nowhere close to a second liner until his fast start this year, even if he maintains those numbers the whole year, which would be very difficult, he would be in the same camp as Leblanc.
      Gallagher I like (he excites me the most), but there are a half dozen guys ahead of him in the scoring race most of who aren´t touted as grade A prospects, so that tells you abit about the league he plays in. He also lacks size. Kristo seems to be projected as a possible top six but again has no size. Pallushaj is also projected as a possible top six, but again, lacks size.
      Thought the Habs are strong in defence prospects, I think they are quite weak with forwards. I think out of the whole bunch we just named, I´d say there´s a good chance we get one DECENT top six forward (no game changer), maybe a second one will make it somewhere else, since Mtl always need to win NOW and won´t spend seasons developping players who aren´t blue chip. In short, nothing to get excited about. On the other hand, Pacioretty, Eller, Kostitsyn, Cammalleri, Plekanec (I don´t think DD will stick around long term) are all either young or under thirty, and we can always trade from the surplus of top defensive prospects if we really need a forward, or go via free agency.

  9. Neverlasting1 says:

    How about that Halak? Boy, did we ever miss the boat on that one!

  10. Bill says:

    Muller liked Gomez. Gomez for Kaberle? Problem for a problem?

    I would happily throw in Diaz.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

    • samTHEman says:

      Another soft PP-sucking puck-mover, just what we need! They can have Gomez for free

      • Bill says:

        They need some motivation – in the case of Gomez, a LOT of motivation – and being able to ditch Kaberle’s contract would be sufficient reason for them to do it.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

      • RS says:

        The problem is that you can’t give away Gomez for free; you have to take something bad back in return. Or in other words, pay somebody to take him off your hands.

    • The Cat says:

      I think this is the most possible way for the habs to unload Gomez. I actually thought about this very scenario the other day.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Kaberle fell off the cliff in Boston, but up until then had impressive assists on crappy Leafs teams – I think he is over 500 points – we don’t need him, but we could flop him for Gomez and then package him off somewhere else… it’s worth debating… more than some of the ideas we see, like Ducks giving us Bobby Ryan for Darche and MAB… 🙂

  11. punkster says:

    It’s our time to shine
    ‘Cause we’ve got the right sign
    Marky’s up off the pine
    Destination cloud nine.

    We’ll still moan and we’ll whine
    And we’ll juggle each line
    And insist it’s not fine
    ‘Til JM does resign.

    We’re worse than fat swine
    In a sour pickle brine
    But we’re ready to dine
    On cold duck in Anaheim.

    So fill up that stein
    With beer or fine wine
    You don’t dare decline
    ‘Cause it’s our time to shine.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  12. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    Anyone goin’ out to watch the game Saturday? I am coming in town by MYSELF for once for a concert… Gotta see the game and don’t wanna be the loner weirdo in the bar…

  13. clubdehockey says:

    Question for those who think we can make the playoffs:

    Which 4 out of the 11 teams ahead of us in the standings do you think we can realistically overtake?

    I think Ottawa is definitely 1. That’s about it.

    I will concede that Tampa and New Jersey are “maybe”s – I don’t think we’ll finish higher than either of these two, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we did (especially Tampa). And while overtaking either Toronto or Florida is not “impossible,” it seems like a long shot at this point – those two are really starting to play like playoff-worthy teams (albeit perhaps not division-leading worthy teams). I would say the chance of overtaking any other team ahead of us (not mentioned so far) is next to none.

    But that’s a lot of maybe’s and what-if’s that would all need to come true in order for the Habs to make the playoffs, no? Just seems like the odds are heavily stacked against us, is all.

    • ProHabs says:

      The Habs won’t make the playoffs. I also thought the Leafs and Panthers would eventually fall back to earth but that doesn’t seem to be the case. It is now up to management to decide:
      – are we going to finish in 9 or 10 place in the conference, draft 15 overall and get a marginal prospect who is 5ft10, 175 pounds.
      – do we pull the plug on the season, finish near the bottom and draft in the top 5 where we can get a star that will actually make a difference on the team.

      • Bill says:

        Haha, the tanking talk is never far away!

        The Habs will never do that. I’m not saying they shouldn’t. They just won’t.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

        • ProHabs says:

          I am never a fan of tanking but there comes a time where you need to do what is good and right for the team. If they can get a potential superstar to go along with a nucleus of Price, Subban, Eller, MaxPac, Pleks and Markov, we are talking about a quick turnaround. The Flyers did it this way. What makes management think that the Habs are too good or proper or professional to do this.

          I am going to be steaming mad if we finish 9th or 10 in the conference.

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        “Eventually” hasn’t happened yet dude.

        “Andrei Kostitsyn is a better hockey player than Max Pacioretty”
        – Sean Bonjovi

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        double post

    • CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

      Buffalo. Buffalo is NOT good. I live here and hear and see so much of them, saw all the bullshit hype get spread around the fanbase all summer. They ate it up… Meanwhile, Ehrhoff is not much better than Weber, Leino is awful at got more than Cole, and Drew Stafford looks like a bust after getting a big contract. They play with no balls. Goaltending is highly suspect. Derek Roy (as in rWha, cuz that how he’s supposed to pronounce it, and he admits it) is like a worse version of current Cammalleri. Ruff has outstayed his usefulness (though no one will admit it), Tyler Myers is worse this year than he started last, and Regier is a terrible GM now proven that he was given the money and wasted it, starting with trading for disappoint yet not surprisingly bad Brad Boyes.

      Can you tell i hate this team?

      Americans – mostly dumb, but not all of us.

      • clubdehockey says:

        I agree that Buffalo has no superstars (other than Miller who I think is top 2 in the league along with Lundqvist, but I have no idea when Miller is supposed to be ready to play again) and even after the big splash they made this summer, I didn’t (and still don’t) think they would be any better than they were last year. The thing is, last year they finished in SEVENTH place I believe? Which means, even if they didn’t improve, it still makes them a playoff team despite their mediocrity.

        I don’t think we can bump Buffalo out of the playoffs.

    • RS says:

      Toronto, Florida, Buffalo are all possibilities, along with Ottawa, Tampa Bay and New Jersey. I’m not saying its going to happen! But the Habs aren’t far behind and there are plenty of games left. The question is whether they can start to win more consistently.

      Markov doesn’t have to be the second coming of Doug Harvey, he just needs to help out the powerplay a bit (and stay healthy!) and the Habs are suddenly a somewhat better team.

  14. samTHEman says:

    How bad do you want to punch these guys square in the face? List in order of priority!

    Campbell jr.
    Chris Lee
    Richards (Mike)

    I gotta say…when I think of Campbell, Bettman, and Shanahan, I get really angry thoughts.

    • ProHabs says:

      Ha ha ha. FUnny stuff. BUt now I am feeling great rage after reading those names. Chara is at the top of my list followed by Campbell. Brian Burke is like Santa Claus compared to the blowhards you listed.

    • Everlasting1 says:

      Subban. Only cos he’s asking for it.

      Thus sayeth the Lord, “Destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks.” Amos 2:9

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Much as I hate Chara, it has to be Bettman.

      A fish rots from the head.

    • B915 says:


    • B915 says:

      Punch Shanahan…would brake hand on his face
      Punch Avery….love it
      Punch Lucic….he will kick you butt
      Punch Marchand…he will laugh
      Punch Chara…..good luck….not many can hurt him
      Punch Horton…..get suspened
      Punch Ference…double middle finger
      Punch Julien….you wish he was your coach
      Punch Campbell……get suspended
      Punch Campbell jr…..see above
      Punch Chris Lee…who the bleep is Chris Lee
      Punch Buttman….he will cry
      Punch Pronger…he will go DL
      Punch Richards (Mike)…..you wish he was a Hab
      Punch Hartnell….see above
      Punch Max Pacioretty…..make sure it’s from behind…like his cheap shots
      Punch Subban….Diver and Pu$$y

      • vivsterjuve88 says:

        oooh add grabovski too! his points always burn us, if it wasn’t for his attitude he’d still be one of us, and I believe it was his dirty boarding play that started Markov’s long string of knee injuries

    • vivsterjuve88 says:

      Hartnell’s solid, swap him for briere! That little douche shunned his homeland so he could go to philly and hone his most practiced skill: cheapshots a la spearing, slapping, slashing

  15. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …Kirk loses His first game 3-1 agin’ the Panthers …Boucher’s Lightning are sub-.500
    …temporary blip ? …or is it evidence I know F**k All about coaching ?

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

  16. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …like Max’s takin’ it like a Man, yet spellin’ out the inconsistencies of Shanahans’ performance this year (pretty much saying what I had yesterday)
    …as JM said, We ‘have to move forward’ …exactly
    …but We should keep an eagle’s-eye on Shanahan’s decisions from here on in …to Me, He’s got a short-rope

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

  17. JohnBellyful says:

    There are all sorts of systems for analyzing hockey statistics out there – and, believe me, some of them are really out there – but guys like Corsi, Fenwick and Whiplash really miss the boat. The bottom line is hockey is supposed to entertain and all those stats the number crunchers collect and interpret don’t really tell you if the game and the players were entertaining.
    It’s a gap that needs filling. Learning Mulder won 37 per cent of his face-off, directed seven shots at the net but only had one make it through, was on the ice for 14:23 (7:54 of which was in the offensive zone), and spat 17 times in the second period says something but not whether he brought a smile to your face or drew a curse from your lips.
    What’s needed are Nielsen ratings for hockey games, where a sample group of astute, impartial fans record their enjoyment/disappointment electronically. Using a joy/joyless stick, these game monitors will instantaneously register their responses to a nice pass, stupid turnover, clean body check, dumb penalty, slick goal, terrific save, close-ups of Lucic, etc.
    Plus and minus points would be awarded, according to whether the viewer responded positively and negatively. By game’s end, there would be consensus whether the game shone or stunk. But there would be a running tally as well so people arriving home after the game started or people at work could decide to sit down to enjoy the rest of the game or to get back to directing air traffic.
    What are the odds that teams’ ratings would correspond to their standings?

  18. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …’Will you stay up to watch the Canadiens’ late-night games this week?’ …funny, I am so used to watching My Habs late-afternoons (usually around 4:15 PM) in Vancouver
    …especially, when I was gainfully-(self)employed (retired now) as far back as the late-70s/early 80s …first thing comin’ home from the office, turning on the TV …gettin’ My Habs hockey fix out of the way early before having an evening out with My Girl/later Wife
    …there were lots of Habs’ games on TV out here on the Wrong Coast back then …actually felt to Me many more Habs’ games than Turrannaretrobates’ games …a major reason I felt Vancouver the only alternative city in Canada to Montreal to live
    …over 45 sumptin’ years split My base in Canada between Montreal and Vancouver pretty evenly, and when based in Montreal groused having to be hog-tied on a Saturday night until 7:30-10:30 PM or whenever The Game was over
    …so, living in Vancouver it was like having Your goose and eatin’ it too 🙂 …literally

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Growing up in Montreal, I’d stay up and watch the wonderful hockey that was played out West, especially the Oilers-Flames playoffs, great change from the Adams Division scrums.

      Now that I’m out here, I love the early games. Hockey all ready for you on the PVR when you get home, and if you haven’t had your fill you can watch another game at a regular hour.

      The really big advantage to being in the Pacific time zone is NFL Sunday, being able to watch games at 1000 hrs, and the Sunday nighter at a reasonable hour.

      How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?


  19. smiler2729 says:

    I’ve been posting here for about 5 years (or is it 4?) and I just can’t do it anymore.

    Oh, I can still watch this team and love ’em when they win and hate ’em when they lose but as for dissecting the players, the coach and everything, I’ve grown weary, man, they are sooo…. mediocre.

    And the league is so skewed that the lustre of being an NHL fan has lost a lot of its shine.

    Yeah, the lines suck, yeah, Pleks can’t win an important faceoff, Gomez will never live up to that stupid contract (but who here would say no to Sather’s offer?), Markov will always be injured and when he isn’t will never hit the net with a slap shot from the point….

    And the bitching doesn’t end there, Martin’s not the best coach nor is he the worst for this team, Subban will never get any respect from his peers sadly cuz of his race, Price will probably grow impatient and split via free agency…

    The main culprit to the Habs’ problems are the ghost Gauthier, a hockey man with zero vision into what makes the Habs the Habs (anybody else miss Dom Moore?)

    But what pisses me off the most is the NHL and their constant need to feed their ego. They are killing the game with constant rule changes, inconsistent officiating (don’t get me started on Shanahan/Colie), biased coverage and bad business (why are Phoenix and Florida still around?)

    Thanks for listening, see you guys around… hope we make the playoffs!

    Jack Edwards sucks chowdah chunks

  20. jrshabs1 says:

    The Habs are in so much trouble!! Aside from a few players that actually came to play this year the Habs blow. Every other team is getting better and the Habs do nothing except maybe plug a hole because of injury. The GM could live on the moon for all you see or hear of him. I may not watch another complete game again for the rest of the year, who wants to watch a team get a lead then squander it in the 3rd period to maybe win in o.t. or collect the loser point? This is how 80% of the games playout. I’m sick of the small useless forwards who are now led by #13 not score, not hit, not backcheck, not forecheck. There’s no passion on this team and it starts at top with the “ghost” and moves down to the “count” and even further to the small no inpact “smurfs”. The Habs are now the joke of the NHL.
    Go Habs Go!!

  21. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Just watching the 1st intermission of the NSH vs CGY game, Insider Trading.

    Dreger states that Sacco’s job might be in the jeopardy and goes on to talk about the replacement, immediately says at the top of the list because Colorado likes to stay in the family.

    Patrick Roy.

    If that happens, who will be pissed he coaches COL and not MTL?

    I know I will be.

    • TheMock780 says:

      Patrick Roy is loving life in Quebec and coaching his junior team. He’s back home where he wants to be and I think he’s made it quite clear that at this time not only is he not interested in the NHL but I highly doubt he’s interested in leaving Quebec and going back to Colorado. If he ever does make the leap into the NHL, it’ll either be with the Habs or with the future franchise in Quebec City

      • RS says:

        I’m not so sure about that. He could easily end up in Colorado. One thing, comes to mind, however. Roy has a gigantic ego, he’d probably enjoy coming triumphantly back to the Habs for a hero’s welcome (and to prove that he’s a better coach than Mario Tremblay).

  22. HardHabits says:

    Curtis Sanford leading the goalie depth chart in Columbus. Hilarious. His numbers are not bad either. 1.38GAA 3W 1L 2OTL .947SV%

    How come no-one is bitching because we let him go!!!

    • RS says:

      He was good in Hamilton, except he kept getting injured. I think it was his back that kept flaring up. Good to see him get back in the NHL. There’s a lot of goalies out there that can get hot and play well for a few games. The really tough thing is to be consistently good.

      I know you’re just kidding, but nobody is bitching because goaltending is the one and only position that the Habs are fine.

  23. Un Canadien errant says:

    My plan for Markov, especially in light of the report from RDS that he’s tentative on his pivots and turns, would be to wait until he’s absolutely 100% ready to return according to him and the team doctors. Once we are there, he doesn’t get to play for at least another two to three weeks. I want to be that careful with him.

    Our team isn’t going to win the Stanley Cup this year. We just don’t have the talent and depth. My reasoning is spelled P-A-L-U-S-H-A-J. Or E-N-G-Q-V-I-S-T. Either explanation should suffice. Rushing back Markov won’t change that.

    As far as injuries, every team is struggling with them, every team is affected. You have to play the team you have. The Canadiens are barely a playoff team with a fully healthy roster, and when injuries do strike we don’t have the horses in Hamilton to cope. Injuries are not the reason that we are struggling, lack of talent and lack of depth are the reasons.

    Let’s baby Andrei Markov and ensure that he finishes the season fully healthy, instead of getting him on the ice at 80% early to amass a couple more points. He’s a big part of the Canadiens and their salary structure for the next few years, let’s not mess it up on a Hail Mary.

    How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?


    • HardHabits says:

      Keep him out all year if needed. Better to have him for two good years than 3 years hobbling in and out of the line-up.

      • Dulljerk says:

        Markov should never have been signed to the deal he got. I don’t believe he will ever return to form. He is very damaged goods, and his fragility is high. I believe his career will probably come to an abrupt end. Unfortunate, but that’s how I see him at this point. He’s had serious complications, and the management knows this.

        “Muckers win games”

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I’m happy he got signed, disappointed his recovery hit a bump in the road instead of him being hale and hearty like Josh Gorges was at the start of the season.

          For you to say he’s damaged goods, that’s said with hindsight. When Mr. Gauthier signed him, it was on the advice of doctors and physios who would have assured him that the knee was responding well.

          How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?


  24. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …can’t recognize half the Guys in Skillzy’s photo …Skillz, Price, Campoli, Gorgeous, Cole, Spatch, Diaz, PK, Moen, DD, Weber, and dat’s it …the others are ??? 🙂
    …does THAT mean I will be booted out of HIO ? …and, called a second-rate Habs’ Fan ?
    …who are the rest ? …trainers and support staff ?

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

  25. Captain aHab says:

    Have we traded JM for Getzlaf yet? ::hyper::

    • CanadienBoy says:

      As stubborn and determined Gainey’s was as a player he stubborn denly left us with this mess, free agent they where but to small for the long ride poor judgement if you ask, for one in a GM rebuilding chance

  26. Habby says:

    A nice Movember group photo taken from Skillsy’s Twitter: http://t.co/b1sN3Dwx

    Can you name everyone?

    ps. I like the posers on the left. Especially Gorgeous Gorges 😀

    The drive for 25 is alive!

  27. Mattyleg says:

    “My first coach was Don Cherry”
    – Mike Milbury

    …talk about the blind leading the chronically hopeless.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  28. HardHabits says:

    What a game in New York.

  29. Habsolutely says:

    Rangers are thumping the Pens..

  30. habs11s says:

    So apparently when your players are successfully playing beyond their actual abilities you get a 5 minute+ lovefest from TSN proclaiming that you are a hockey genius …


    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  31. Steeltown Hab says:

    Those better not be the lines tomorrow night. Seeing JM constantly put D-men on forward makes me sick, its only hurting Weber’s development. Also why did we send down Blunden, imo he is a lot more effective than palushaj in general and that gives us a real 4th line in Darche-Nok-Blunden. Plain and simple Plek needs to be a lot better, I know camm n gio haven’t been great but after how effective Eller was playing between darche and moen he has no excuses at this pt. DD is doing alright. I would never say Eller is better than Plekanec but there are nights that he is, and i’m at the point where I definately believe he has a higher ceiling and will do more as a #1C than pleks when he gets there in his development.

    • Captain aHab says:

      The Habs will roll three lines and Markov and Weber will split time on D. Markov will be used on the PP. They’ll ease Markov back in.

    • zorro says:

      Pleks on the point on the PP is not working, and he’s not as effective with his forward linemate’s. I m sure this will all change once Markov returns to his position.

    • rhino514 says:

      I was very surpised seeing Eller on the PP. He really impressed. He keeps showing flashes, it seems he is just lacking abit of confidence or killer instinct. Anyone´s guess when it will come; could be weeks, could be years.
      Even if Markov is nondescript on five on five for a couple of months and doesn´t get that many minutes there, his presence on the power play will help ENORMOUSLY. We´d be a few games over 500 if we´d have had him on the PP all this time

  32. billylove says:

    Good, intense battle between Pens and Rangers. Very physical, great goaltending, a real battle!

    • HardHabits says:

      Thanks for suggesting that. The Habs aren’t even the same league as those two teams.

      • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

        Funny, didn’t we just lose to Pittsburgh in a close game on a controversial goal in overtime? Didn’t we just blank the Rangers 4-0 with a very inexperienced defense corps?

        I’m not saying the Habs are a great team, but there is so much parity in the NHL, and you suggesting the Habs aren’t even in the same league as those two teams is just more negative diatribe from you.

        What happened to HappyHabits? I liked him better.

        • Yes! Some well placed Homerism! I’m with ya Jan.


        • LA Loyalist says:

          Why are ALL your posts moronic? Can’t you post something normal once in a while, Jan pronounced Bed-Pan?

          Bad teams can beat good teams once in a while. Happens all the time. That’s why the playoffs are best of seven. You should watch some hockey sometime.

          • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

            You really have a hard on for me eh?

            I watch plenty of hockey. Like, ALL of the Habs games and a lot of other teams’ games too. I’m not saying we are the best team ever or even top 5 or 10 in the NHL right now. But, to say that we can’t compete with two teams against which we just recently proved otherwise is a little bit much.

        • HardHabits says:

          Pens have 8 more wins than losses. Tops in the league. At least until tonight’s game is done.

          There are 5 teams with 7 more wins than losses; Chicago, Minnesota, Detroit, Boston and the Rangers.

          St. Louis, Florida and Philadelphia have 6 more wins than losses to round out the league’s best teams at the quarter pole.

          By contrast the Habs are even. The only team with the same amount of wins and losses. There are only 7 teams that have less losses than wins. You do the math.

          The loser point even has the so-called educated Habs fans fooled.

  33. Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

    Since we’re in the mood to speculate about trade scenarios involving Bobby Ryan. How about Gorges, Desharnais, Kristo and a 2nd (maybe 1st) for Ryan. Bob McKenzie said Anaheim is looking for a top 4 D (preferably young), a 2nd C and a 1st/prospect. Gorges is young and has proven himself to be a very reliable defenseman and a good leader. He is pretty cheap too, which Anaheim needs since they can’t take on much salary right now. Desharnais has proven capable of playing on the top two lines.

    This trade would work under the current cap, even if we don’t make any other moves. We would have the following lineup:


    Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
    Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / Lars Eller ($1.270m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
    Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
    Travis Moen ($1.500m) / Petteri Nokelainen ($0.550m) / Ryan White ($0.625m)
    / / Mathieu Darche ($0.700m)

    Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Alexei Emelin ($0.984m)
    Jaroslav Spacek ($3.833m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
    Hal Gill ($2.250m) / Raphael Diaz ($0.900m)
    Chris Campoli ($1.750m) / Yannick Weber ($0.850m)

    Carey Price ($2.750m) / Peter Budaj ($1.150m)

    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
    SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,570,509; BONUSES: $0
    CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $729,491

    Why not? Let the 3 guys making the most money work their troubles out together (they’ve played together with some success before). Let Eller play with two other skilled big bodies. Let Pleks FINALLY have two big wingers. Losing Gorges would hurt, but you have to give to get.

    • HardHabits says:

      18.357 million on the 3rd line???? Would those three even be a 3rd line on any of the top 10 teams in the NHL?

      Your post just made the Habs appear to be even crappier than I thought they were before I read it.

      • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

        Would you rather we call them the 1st line then? Seriously, what does it matter how much money is on whichever line, so long as it fits under the cap? I am just speculating on what type of proposal we could make that fits the parameters of what Anaheim is looking for. As it turns out, it works under the cap without us even making another deal. I am pretty sure that Gauthier would be looking to make other moves, such as shipping Cammalleri out or something along those lines in order to strengthen other areas.

        The reality is, if we are stuck with Gomez, Cammalleri and Gionta, why not play them together and have them play less 5-on-5? This would still give us three potential scoring lines.

        You wouldn’t be interested in seeing what Eller could do with Cole and MaxPac? What Plekanec could do with AK46 and Ryan?

        All you focus on is the negative.

        • HardHabits says:

          I’d rather keep Gorges and Kristo and ride out DD. The problem is the Cammy, Gionta and Gomez contracts. If Markov can play then he Cole and Plex earn their money. The other three not so much lately and all roads point to a decline with each of them, Gomez already being there, Gionta not far behind and Cammy unable to sustain the beating the Habs get being a non-physical team that plays a back skating defensive scheme. Cammy could probably fit in well with a nice big team that can insulate him. As it is he is getting destroyed playing for the Habs. To much muscle and not enough bone on that lad. Unlike the Hobbit/Dwarf Desharnais. Cammy has all the slick moves though but he needs the blockers because he’s no full back. His trade value might be tough to work with as his salary goes up to 7 million per for the last two years while his cap hit is 6M. I still think he’s the best trade bait.

          The problem, as more and more people are starting to catch on to, is that you can’t stack your team with small and soft players. The Plex-Cammy-Gionta line got destroyed by Pittsburgh’s top line.

          Cammy and Gionta shouldn’t even be on the same team let alone the same line. Why not just put them with Desharnais for shits and giggles.

          I really think Gomez is done. The NHL has changed. Hockey has changed. There are more and more up and coming young players globally who can out perform aging veterans. Only elite players will have long careers. Many players will come and go. Most will have short careers. How long will Desharnais last?

          • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

            I also believe that it isn’t a great idea to have 3 small forwards together. Ideally, Gomez wouldn’t be on the team. I was just showing what could happen if we pulled the trigger on such a deal. You could switch Cammy with AK46 to give the lines more balance as well.

            Would you REALLY prefer to keep Gorges and DD over getting a young BIG 30+goal scorer who shoots right-handed?

            You seem to be contradicting your position of wanting to get bigger. The lineup I posted has a top-6 that has one player who is not big.

            Also, if you prefer to hold on to Gorges and DD over Ryan, then maybe our team has more valuable assets than you would let us believe in most of your posts.

            Make up your mind, do we suck and need to get bigger or are we not so bad and need to keep smaller players in favour bigger talented players?

            For the record, I would rather trade Cammalleri straight up for Ryan, but that does not fit the type of trade Anaheim is looking for.

          • LA Loyalist says:

            Actually, Habits, I’ve personally seen Cammi working out, and his neck his wider than his freaking head. Seriously, he is strong. That said, I agree that it must be very frustrating for him playing for Martin with inadequate players around him. I think he would do great in LA or w/ Ducks.

            Otherwise I support your post 100%. The kids coming up are freaking huge and strong — and fast and skilled.

            I see them all the time in the Kings’ system at all the age levels.

            My kid is only 8 and is the 2nd biggest kid on his team. We played the Ducks kid team in his age group (Rob Niedermeyer is coach) and they had at least 6 kids bigger than him.

            I have no problem with a few small fast skill players, but you need to surround them with muscle. That’s the reality and we better get with the program.

          • HardHabits says:

            Because you are throwing Kristo and a pick in there. Completely goes against my idea of how a team should be built. DD and Gorges are expendable IMO. But I like them both and they are both relatively young and inexpensive. I also doubt their trade value. The Habs are already thin in the depth department. 4 players for one is a hefty price to pay. Especially when the team is looking like it isn’t even going to make the play-offs.

            Better to trade Cammy for a 1st or a 2nd and prospect if the Habs are out of it. If the Habs are close to making the play-offs let them ride the team they have.

            I believe the best teams are built via the draft, with trades being important and free agency also playing a part. But the crucial element is the draft.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Now that’s a sick team. The hole Gorges left could be felt but you’d have to keep your fingers crossed that they could somehow adjust defensively. I’d pill the trigger on that one.

    • showey47 says:

      Its going to take alot more then that to get ryan. If ryan is truly available (i wouldn’t trade him personally),you are going to have 29 teams knocking and most will blow that offer out of the water. I also doubt the ducks would have interest in an impending ufa(gorges). They will be looking for proven high end young and affordable talent,blue chip prospects and probably a 1st rounder. Right up the oilers alley.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Bobby Ryan has scored 30 goals 3 years in a row.

      If you knew anything about Ducks, you would know that the players you are proposing are not who Ducks need, nor are they adequate to get Ryan. It would take Gorges and Cammi and prospects/picks.

      Go back to your fantasy site.

    • Bill says:

      I just don’t see the Ducks trading a guy as young as Ryan, with three 30 goal seasons already, for an average soon-to-be-UFA D-man, a mediocre midget centre with limited NHL experience, a smallish NCAA prospect, and a pick.

      Call me crazy, but I think they could do better. Takes quality to get quality. Everyone now and then a GM packages a bunch of mediocre players and lands a star player (Stajan, Hagman, Mayers, White for Phaneuf, Aulie, and Sjostrom) but it doesn’t happen often.

      Given that they don’t want to take on salary, they might do Pacioretty plus a pick/prospect or Subban plus a pick/prospect. Those are fair trades, but if I’m Gauthier I keep those guys.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  34. TOP DAWG says:

    Yes, the Smurfs have to go.

    Carey Price has won at every level that he has played. He wants to win a Stanley Cup. The way this team is headed & has been for yrs & yrs there is no Cup on the horizon. Will Carey Price want to stay in Montreal?

    “If you’re not the TOP DAWG, the view never changes”

    • Sharks9 says:

      He’s 24 years old. You know the past 2 Cup winners were in the bottom 3 of their conferences 5 years ago? We can’t even come close to seeing what will happen in the future.

      25 before 14

  35. Hobie Hansen says:

    Wow, watching the Blues/Caps on on https://gamecenter.nhl.com/ and just drooling over David Backes….

    The guy is 6’4″ and 235 LBS. He makes $4.5 mill a season and is well on his way to having another 30 plus goal season and delivering another 200 plus hits as the Blues number one center.

    It makes you sick to your stomach when you look at the Habs down the middle, obviously Gomez. If we had a guy like Backes instead of Gomez, who is 10x better, we’d still have $3.5 million to sign another player.

    I would trade Gomez, Gionta and Cammalleri, partly to free up cap space and just get rid of those contracts, for a guy like Backes! We’d be instantly better and save or have $12 mill, even after Backes’ $4.5 mill, to sign three or four other players.

    A trade like that is pure fantasy but my point is that we sure aren’t getting anywhere close to the bang for our buck as we should be!

    • likehoy says:

      what’s great about backes is that he has a lot of heart.. anyone remember when he fought nash, toews, perryI think leading up to the Olympics in 2010?

      He was just going out and picking on Canadians.

      – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      You typicall pay less for in-house talent than you do for free agents, which is what the Habs must do going forward, build up their drafted prospects and sign them instead of pursuing free agents.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        We’ll see some of that in-house-talent tomorrow night when Leblanc plays in his first NHL game. I know he’s been injured but you’ve hardly heard a whisper about him, outside of the HIO family, going back quite a while…

    • Everlasting1 says:

      I wouldn’t even trade Alex Steen for those 3. Another who leaves it all on the ice game in game out is Dagger.

      Thus sayeth the Lord, “Destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks.” Amos 2:9

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  36. fun police says:

    JM is kryptonite to goal scorers. A guy like cammy has consistently scored his whole career. Cole has been our best player this year and struggles to get key ice time or pp time. if the habs acquired Ryan, he’d be a 20-25 goal scorer with JM. JM punishes offensive players for turnovers (i think gretzky committed quite a few in his career.) Darche can’t turn the puck over, all he does is push the puck forward, or dump it in. I can do that. the more a player has the puck on his stick, the more he’s going to turn it over.
    finally, how good has georges been? plus 10! give him a new contract.

  37. Good lord, Voukun is horrible and showing his age.

    Caps in general are terrible on defense.

    Ovechkin is lazy on the ice…both ways. He’s got issues.

    Shane Oliver
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    • Everlasting1 says:

      How about removing those thick goggles and give credit where it’s due?

      Thus sayeth the Lord, “Destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks.” Amos 2:9

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  38. roady says:

    If I heard Max correctly, he said the Sheriff compared his hit on Letang to Matt Cooke’s hit on Marc Savard which couldn’t be further from the truth ! How in blue blazes can Shanahan use that as a comparison for MaxPac’s hit ? Savard never saw Cooke coming, it was blindside, Cooke raised his elbow and directed it squarely to Savard’s head which was down all the way. Letang knew Max was coming and he had to know he was going to lower the boom on him. Anyone that’s played the game with contact knows this is a high risk area to be in when you have the puck and are planning to make a play or shoot on the net, a price is going to be paid for you to be there. You wanna go in there, especially with your head down…you will pay, you wanna put yourself in a vulnerable position you gotta know something is going to happen. The onus cannot be only put on the player doing the hitting, the guy with the puck on his stick has to take some responsibility.

    take your drink to the end of the bar buddy…come on now, don’t be a fool…

    • showey47 says:

      There is no way the hits are comparable. One of the main reason’s is with savard being a left handed shot and took a pass from the left side. Cooke came at him from the right side and hit him. This makes it blindside. Letang crossed the blueline at the far offside dot and cut to the right towards the middle of the ice. With letang being a right handed shot he carries the puck on the right side of his body.Max comes directly at him right to left. Letang saw him coming. If you watch the cbc video at about the 50 second mark you can see letangs head look over at max before the hit is laid.

  39. likehoy says:


    dunno if this was posted yet.. LOL@ Mathieu Darche.. 7th in starts in offensive zone %

    MAB at 9th, no surprise Boucher doesn’t want him in the D zone

    – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

  40. Neutral says:

    not over excited about markov’s return – I know what happened the last time – he’s injury prone.

  41. 24 Cups says:

    I trust the teams won’t be wearing barber shop/prison uniforms the way the Habs did on their 100th anniversary.


  42. LA Loyalist says:

    I just realized I’m going to get to see Markov and LeBlanc play live before any of you guys. For some reason I think that is hilarious.

    I suspect there will be a lot of Habs jerseys in the crowd. Two years ago there sure were.

    EDIT: The Bobby Ryan rumour seems to have some legs. His cap hit is $5.1, he has scored 30 goals 3x in 3 years.

    Who do/could we give up that Ducks would want? (they need experience on D – not our strength — could we have any shot at him?

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      I can’t even see the game (Thank you midnight shift).

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

    • likehoy says:

      from what I gather that the ducks usually like from us are…
      Our heart and soul captain
      two 3rd line grinders.

      so Gionta + Petteri Nokelainen + Travis Moen

      I say trade Cammalleri + weber/diaz/brandon nash + 1st

      – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

      • Bripro says:

        Anyone for more leftovers?

        • likehoy says:

          I wish I understood this so I can laugh..
          But I don’t, whatever do you mean?

          – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        Pretty funny. Only Gionta is hardly a “heart and soul” captain in the Canadiens’ tradition. He’s ok, I have nothing against the guy he’s a decent player — just not a Habs “C”.

        I would do your trade in a heart beat, but Ducks are strong on young D (Fowler is terrific but he’s really young, and Vishnovski (sp) is hurt. They don’t need a Weber or Diaz – they need a calm stabilizing force who hits. A Craig Ludwig or Rick Green type who can organize the D and make a great first pass.

        Or Markov.

        Oh the irony.

        A healthy Markov is exactly who the Ducks need.

        • likehoy says:

          I agree with the Gionta assessment, but there wasn’t really a choice back then.

          Brodeur was right that Gionta and Gomez aren’t leaders.

          I think Nash or Tinordi would be the best we can give them.
          I think most people will cry if Tinordi gets traded but I’d love to see Pacioretty, Cole, Ryan, AK, (Moen), giving us a lot of size and skill

          – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

    • habfanacrossthed says:

      Don’t trade the future away PG.
      @ La Loyalist – Ana wants #2 C Top 4D and pick or prospect. I say ship DD, Diaz, Nash.

      GHOD – Go Habs Or Die

      • likehoy says:

        wouldn’t work, we’d be 4 million over the cap

        plus Diaz is only a top 4 in Montreal.. he’s a 3rd pairing/7th dman on a team with real defense.

        – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

        • habfanacrossthed says:

          Bury Gomez problem solved with cap. Add Weber to entice the Offer throw in a 2nd rd next year for Anaheim’s 4th rd this year. Done Dizzle.

          GHOD – Go Habs Or Die

          • likehoy says:

            would be interesting to have 3 power forwards + kostitsyn and moen on the team though!

            – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        as noted above, they are strong on young offensive D (though V is injured). Fowler is the real deal but he is very young. They need a classic stay at home guy.

        • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

          Then why not build a deal around Gorges? I love Gorges, but if he could help land Bobby Ryan, I think you HAVE to make the deal.

          Why not Gorges, a forward prospect and a 1st or something along those lines? Might not be enough, but that’s what I would frame the deal around.

          Anaheim apparently does not want much salary coming back as well. Gorges could be a cheap, young, stabilizing defenseman for them.

  43. G-Man says:

    Could it be that the Long Wait is finally over? Could it be that my man Markov is really back? Only 27 hours to see.

  44. newbrunswick troy says:

    ok , so here goes my rant…just watching tsn talk about how good of a job Brian Burke has done with the Laffs in just three short years..and it pisses me off to say that they are right!!!i guess the Habs are on the 12year rebuild plan?
    Also, pissed at the fact that the whole Habs systems all play around speedy-skilled players, that are all smallish and non physical..this we all know! but managemnet has got to see that the time has come to make a tougher presence on the ice , although i love Gionta,Desharnais,Cammy,Plecs,Gomez(actualy hate him)..these guys as top six forwards are not aggresive enough,sure its because of thier size ,and they all belong in the nhl (except Gomer) but they all shouldn,t be on the same team and same line!!!!!The new NHL has proven that size does matter!!(don,t tell my wife) beacause there are many skilled and fast 6ft-4″ goal scorers out there.
    I guess i,m just sick of watching the Habs lose games because they were out muscled on the boards and in front of thier own net!!
    Isn,t that right Yannic Webber,,,and further more for god sake forwards don,t be affraid to take a hit on the wall to keep control of the puck,they all flank away to avoid the hit and give up the puck all the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!ANYWAY THANKS FOR LISTENING,I FEEL BETTER

    • Considering how well the Canadiens have done in this decade, I’d say on the point scale that Montreal is way ahead of the Leafs. This is the first season in decades where the Leafs aren’t laughable. Am I wrong?

      No cup, but that will come.

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      • newbrunswick troy says:

        oh your correct, my point is that the Leafs have come as far as the Habs in just three rebuilding years…the Habs have always settled for being a bubble team.
        I have a fealing Brian Burke is going to push and gamble to go further than just a bubble team…oh crap if it works!!

        • otter649 says:

          Wait for The Leafs to actually make the playoffs for the first time since the lockout & then their rebuild is starting to work under Burke – Last season it appeared Atlanta was a shoe in for the playoffs early in the season but once again failed to make the playoffs…….

          • Sean Bonjovi says:

            Last season only 3 of the bottom 16 in goals against made the playoffs (Anaheim, Tampa & Detroit), and only 1 team top 14 missed the playoffs (New Jersey). Total goals against is a pretty good indication of whether, or not a team will make the playoofs and right now the Leafs are 23rd in the league with 3.08 GA/game.

            “Andrei Kostitsyn is a better hockey player than Max Pacioretty”
            – Sean Bonjovi

      • LA Loyalist says:

        The Pat Burns Leafs were pretty damn good and it’s a drag that the 93 final couldn’t have been against them (not that wasn’t fun beating that whiner Gretzky).

        But I guess that is decades, isn’t it?

        Speaking of decades, two forward rookies have excited me in the last two: Wendel Clark and Shayne Corson. That’s who we need, a couple of kids like that: like to hit, and have skill and balls.

      • habfanacrossthed says:

        Sure the players are small, but these guys are team we route for. Leafs have a couple nice pieces set up for the future. However to win 4 games against the likes Pens, Booins, Rangers, Caps no chance. So let BB parade around that the Laffs made PO, only to bow out the first round.

        GHOD – Go Habs Or Die

    • Dickie9 says:

      Too funny we must have vented at the same time…but it is true we are toooo smalll..and have been for 3 or 4 years. How could anybody be intimidated by coming to the Bell Centre for 3 periods of skating without getting hit or fear of getting a good beating the odd time. I am 5,9 and 180lbs played Jr B for a bit not really much but I sure as hell would love to play a team like Montreal…never have to worry about looking over your shoulder and can play with reckless abandon without fear of retaliation….

      The Habs make it too easy for other teams with their lack of size and toughness…bottom line

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      If the Leafs didn’t have Kessel shooting at 2x his career shooting percentage and Lupul playing a foot over his head, they wouldn’t be where they are, that’s a fact and neither stat is going to sustain itself. Kessel and Lupul will regress, Kessel will probably easily have a career year but Lupul is not a 95-point player.

      Many Top goal scorers at 6’4″? Staal, Nash, Carter only 3 in the Top 20. Lucic and Kovalchuk the only guys in the next 10.

      Habs defence is growing to be one of the toughest in the NHL via the pipeline and we are one of a few teams that can claim to have two power forwards on their roster, plus a semi-PF type in Andrei Kostitsyn. Size down the middle and on D are two areas for improvement but the D thing is shaking itself out by itself anyway. Just leaves the team to address the C issue.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • Dickie9 says:

        Getting tougher…Who can drop the mitts on “D”..honestly

      • newbrunswick troy says:

        all your points are well noted…but my 6ft-4 comment wasn,t to be taken litterally, i was more reffering to a larger more aggresive player who will actually go into the corners and come out with the puck!! that said to refer to your defence in the pipeline comments, i do agree, but the key to a contending team is to have all players maturing together, so when the Habs have all the D in place (about 3-4 years) well even Plecs will be past his prime???

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Pleks will be within his prime and we have forward prospects who will be ready with that D at the same time, key is positioning well in the next draft to add offensive talent as forwards tend to develop quicker for the NHL and could fold in with our D talent at the same time.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • HardHabits says:

            Finding takers for Cammy, Gionta and Desharnais would be a start. Of course also finding their replacements. If not don’t hold your breath until 2015.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        Ducks were pretty high on Lupul before he got his bizarre illness. It was more to give him a fresh start, not that they gave up on him (he wasn’t a Pouliot or Latendresse situation, is what I mean).

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Size matters but we’ve got to live with what we’ve got for another couple of years unless we can make miracle trades. IMO when BG blew up the team he went with what was available to get us competitive ASAP, and it pretty well worked. He may have taken the wrong route, but we seem to be stuck with it for awhile.

  45. Dickie9 says:

    Haven’t posted in awhile except to say Darche sucks.

    I truly hope Markov can help and stay healthy. This year’s Habs have been very inconsistent I believe the injuries took it’s toll early on. I also believe too much was asked of PK and he was not well supported by his GM or coach thus limiting his confidence as of late. The Habs real problem is definetely size and toughness. Imagine being Travis Moen and waking up in the morning prior to a game against the Bruins, Flyers, Sens or even Leafs and thinking to himself “Wow I am on my own tonight” Montreal lacks this element and I believe teams are on to this. Itimidation is a big part of hockey…I know all you pacifists will crucify me for this, saying we are fast and skilled but I really do believe we lack that 4th line intimidation. I would rather a guy who can fight and stick up for teamates on the 4th line than crappy ol’ Darche or Palushahj.

    Habs need to get tougher bottom line..this will allow for the top 3 lines to play without fear and you will see more success guaranteed.

  46. Trisomy 21 says:

    Why are the lines even in question here? Obviously DD and Tits go together like….

  47. SeriousFan09 says:

    Globe and Mail piece tries to carve up the Habs for not having a draft pick from after 2007 on the team, cites the other Canadian teams as examples.


    Except they missed a few things and I had to point them out in the comments section.

    – Toronto’s two post-2007 picks are 5th overall Schenn and 7th overall Kadri (currently in the AHL).

    – Calgary’s only roster player this season from a post 2007 draft is TJ Brodie and he’s not a regular skater.

    – Vancouver’s only actual roster player from that year is Cody Hodgson.

    – Winnipeg’s Four players are 3rd overall Bogosian, 4th overall Kane, 8th overall Burmistrov and 7th overall Scheifele (and Scheifele was sent back to the OHL) and you can really argue all of those guys could have spent another year in Junior rather than filling out giant holes in the then-Atlanta roster.

    – Ottawa’s 6 names are Lehner, Cowen, Karlsson, Smith, Weircioch, Zibanejad. Lehner, Wiercioch were pure fill-ins (see Leblanc in for Patches right now), Zibanejad is back in the SEL after a 9-gamer, Cowen was a 9th overall and Karlsson/Smith are ’08 picks.

    – Oilers, let’s be direct, Hall-RNH are 1st overalls, Paajarvi a 10th (Who looks like he could have used time in the AHL really) and Eberle is an ’08 1st-rounder. The other 3? Fill-in replacements for a roster that is bereft of depth.

    Could MTL have made a move to get a high pick or not give away assets like the ’09 2nd-rounder their ’08 1st-rounder? Yes but don’t just throw out numbers and act like the Canadian teams are loaded with youth plucked from all over the draft board.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  48. petefleet says:

    Come on people. What are the rumor mills saying about potential new Habs? Lay it on me.

    Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.

    ***Habs Forever***

    • Propwash says:

      Andrei Markov, Louis Leblanc…..

      Being negative has its advantages,
      you’re never disappointed.

      • petefleet says:

        Those aren’t “potential new Habs”

        Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.

        ***Habs Forever***

        • Propwash says:

          Leblanc is.
          Marky hasn’t played since Moby Dick was a minnow, so technically, he’s a new Hab as well. 😉

          Being negative has its advantages,
          you’re never disappointed.

          • petefleet says:

            Maybe it’s the big word “potential” that’s throwing you off.

            Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.

            ***Habs Forever***

          • Propwash says:

            Lighten up!
            They both could potentially play tomorrow if that’s any consolation.

            Being negative has its advantages,
            you’re never disappointed.

          • petefleet says:

            There’s no reply button on your last message. Anyway, I’m light. I just don’t think you understood the question 3 times.

            Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.

            ***Habs Forever***

          • Trisomy 21 says:

            Actually I don’t think you understand that he was joking 3 times

          • petefleet says:

            Are you sitting there beside him chatting with him about it? Maybe you could explain what the word “potential” means. Tone and intent get lost in the written word.

            Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.

            ***Habs Forever***

          • Propwash says:

            Ok, if you want a truthful, honest answer, nothing official that I know of. People have been throwing “what if” scenarios.

            I fully understood your question by the way.

            Being negative has its advantages,
            you’re never disappointed.

          • petefleet says:


            Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.

            ***Habs Forever***

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      If PG traded Louis Leblanc + Jarred Tinordi who would you want in return? There’s your rumour!

      “Andrei Kostitsyn is a better hockey player than Max Pacioretty”
      – Sean Bonjovi

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Potential? Jeez don’t they teach anything at CEGEP?

      Potential is a not very good Tential. In fact, it’a a “Po-Tential”.

      Happy now?

  49. habsperspective says:

    The Ducks have just one win all month. Really do they need to meet them now. Whenever a team is “due”, they usually show up against the HABS.

  50. rjonline1 says:

    This is wild speculation, so forgive me but I will indulge myself.

    Listen to Subban’s interview talking about Markov returning at about 0:30-0:42. He says “As a player, you never hear anything, you’re never told anything.”

    Now this may be reading into it too much – it is entirely true that players really don’t hear anything about how other players are recovering.

    But something about the way he said it makes me think he’s saying something about JM. LET THE WILD SPECULATION BEGIN (CONTINUE)!

  51. j2w4habs25 says:

    Wow Louis Leblanc is on every hockey news site and every montreal headline – i bet he is going to enjoy his time playing for the big league. Hopefully he gets a point or two a game. 🙂

    Carey Price #31

  52. stevieray says:

    Shanny’s just a yes man …and a well paid one !!!..I’ve seen interviews with him and his predecessor where it was stated that “they” alone do not determine the punishment…when in fact they said…. various GM’s are also brought into the discussion before a final judgement is made if whether to suspend or not …. Burke’s name even came up as being one of the ” chosen ” GM’s…. Maybe some one should ask Shanny who his ” panel” of expert GM’s where in making his decision ….Old Boys Club or what !!!

  53. HardHabits says:

    I see JB likened Gomez to a hot potato.

  54. Big Ted says:

    To all the people saying the Pacman call is right but that others were wrong… well then that makes the Pacman call wrong. Yes, I want to see headshots taken out of the game, and I believe Pacman’s hit was illegal and should be punished. But the concept of justice is based on equal and fair treatment for all.

    To use an analogy, let’s say Pacman robbed a bank. Let’s say Neil and Wolski also robbed banks. And let’s say that the amount they stole was slightly different but close. Now let’s say Chara shot someone he had a grudge against with a gun and that the victim didn’t die but ended up in hospital for 6 months. And let’s say Lucic got in a bar fight and then went outside, got in his car and ran the person he was fighting over and seriously hurt them. So yes, these are all different crimes, but if you told me that only one of these people was prosecuted and jailed, it just wouldn’t make sense. In that case, even though all deserve jail time, you can’t say the punishment to Pacioretty was just, because as I said, the concept of justice implies that all have equal treatment. If Neil had gotten 3 games and Wolski 3 games and Chara and Lucic many more games for pre-meditated, more severe crimes, then yes, it makes sense. But in this case, it does not. In this case, it makes even less sense because it was the same “judge” handing out those punishments in the majority of the cases. As the NHL, the justice system in this case, you would either have to conclude that the judge is biased or incompetent and fire him, or else you would have to adjust the punishments so that they are equalized.

    In this case, Shanahan is nit-picking about the angle of a guy’s head or whether it was 1.1 seconds vs. 1.2 seconds timing, etc… when Malone hit Campoli, the issue was Campoli moving prior to the hit and he blames Campoli. When Letang makes himself vulnerable, the onus is suddenly on Pacman to stop. Where was this during the Malone hearing? When Phaneuf makes a hit, it’s deemed “full-body” because he also got the shoulder. When Pacman does it, even though he clearly gets shoulder first, it’s not enough because he judged the angle incorrectly? How did Pacman know Letang wouldn’t continue to slide forward half an inch? The bottom line is that Shanahan is making up the rules as he goes, and as always, it seems like it’s the same teams that get nailed with these technicalities, while others (Bos, NYR, Tor, Pit, TB…) magically always seem to be the beneficiaries. Is it coincidence that these correspond to the Board of Governor’s director’s team, Shanahan’s old team and the NHL’s biggest market, the NHL head office site, the NHL’s star player’s team, and Shanahan’s best buddy’s team? Is it coincidence that the teams that seem to end up on the wrong side of bad calls are us, Calgary, Vancouver, and sometimes Ottawa? I am extremely sick of seeing the NHL treat us like dirt and then see them try to justify things with semantics and details that are irrelevant. The bottom line is that a head shot is a head shot. Malone should have sat the same time that Wolski should have sat, that Pacman sits, and that Crosby should have sat (a flagrant elbow to the head that wasn’t even reviewed). Otherwise, you can’t talk about any of this being “fair” or “right” or “just.” It’s time the NHL got an independent committee with no prior ties to the league to determine punishments because Shanahan has been AS BAD as Campbell, who is seemingly still involved in these decisions despite being yanked out of the public eye. Until this happens and until Bettman and his era of corruption are removed, nothing will be right in the way this league is run.

    • slychard says:

      lost me at bank, sorry

      Kiss my hAbSS!!!

    • Danno says:

      Shanahan is a disgrace


      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

    • I agree 100% with 50% of what you’re saying. : )

      My point earlier was that Pacioretty’s headshot on Letang, in and of itself, deserved a suspension and got one — so far so good.

      Our gripe with Shanahan should have nothing to do with that call — the right call — but rather with all the ones he got wrong. When we protest Pacioretty’s suspension and demand one for Malone, we end up looking like the hypocrites that we’re criticizing.

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

      • Big Ted says:

        I understand that point of view, but what I’m saying is that this is flawed. That’s putting the cart before the horse. Shanahan has already gone out and NOT SUSPENDED 5-6 similar hits. So part of how he assesses the Pacman incident is taking that into account. You can’t just re-write the rules depending on who the offender is. Taken in isolation, the punishment for Pacioretty’s hit is fine; but the suspension has to be viewed in the context of what Shanahan has already decided is acceptable and what is not. If he’s changing the rules now, then he’s admitting he was wrong on 5-6 other occasions, and if that’s the case, he should be fired.

    • V says:

      Wow. Quite a post. Love your passion and have to say I think the league deserves more credit than they are getting on this.

      I will agree they look uneven, ragged, unfair at times and on the whole a little bush league. But they are trying to modify about 100 years of entrenched thinking… thinking that made an awful lot of people an awful lot of money.

      Axiom of change management – the more successfull your behaviour has been, the harder it is to change your behaviour. Buckle up and get ready for more of the same, but they will get there mostly because they don’t have a lot of choice. There will be more injuries and societal pressure to change will keep pushing them to the right thing. I would be surprised if they get it right within 5 years.

      • Big Ted says:

        And that’s fine if you want to employ change. But the perfect time to do that was at the start of the year with a new man in place. Instead, Shanahan goes after Wisniewsi and Pacioretty, but allows guys with clear intent to injure like Lucic, Malone, and even Crosby to get off without punishment. If the league wasn’t happy with Shanahan’s way of ruling on plays, they should have either replaced him or else come out publicly and said they were going to be more severe from this point on, instead of simply increasing how harsh the punishment is after the fact. If a crime is committed, you can’t suddenly change the law to say that crime is now worth an extra 3 years in jail. You can say that similar crimes will now be worth that, but you can’t retro-actively change the law, and Shanny is showing he’s as inconsistent as Campbell.

        • V says:

          But they are moving the bar. Two years ago – heck even a year ago – Max’s hit is a hockey play. Now it’s a 3 game suspension.

          Doesn’t seem like a lot, but it clearly is. I think Shanahan is erratic because he/they are trying to find their way through a maze of people where the informed minority is saying things need to change and the self-interested majority are screaming don’t change too fast or don’t change at all. It’s going to be bumpy.

          • Big Ted says:

            And again, that’s fine. But the decision to move the bar was made before the season started. The suspensions on guys like Wis and Smith were more severe. Then when the games started counting, Shanahan backed off. So why not suspend 5-6 players who did the same thing and then come back with 3 games to Pacman? It doesn’t make any sense and as I said, there’s a lack of justice and transparency there.

    • G-Man says:

      Shamahan deserves naught but scorn.

    • pierre lapuck says:

      It’s ok with mne if he robs a TD; I can’t stand those commercials with the old guys.

  55. SarahMc33 says:

    OOO OOO, I’m hoping to see Louis Leblanc! Louis Leblanc! Louis Leblanc! and Marky when the Habs come to SJ!

  56. SeriousFan09 says:

    Pittsburgh Penguins playing roulette with their player’s health again? Letang is out for tonight’s game.

    This is utterly unacceptable, there should be a 6-figure fine to any team that ignores the Quiet Room rule that NHL has spinelessly let be put on the shelf as quickly as it was introduced.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • V says:

      I agree.

      And I also want to say in their defense that shifting the bar on player/management thinking when it comes to head shots is extremely tough. Violence is so engrained in the culture of the sport – most people in the sport (and fans) are likely very comfortable with high levels of violence. They don’t know another way yet.

      Unfortunately it will likely take 2-3 more disturbing injuries – unless one is a death (that is clearly not the result of a ‘hockey play’ – to really hit the tipping point.

      I think fighting is slowing the move to remove head shots. Most involved in the NHL really want fighting in the game. I don’t see how you get to zero tolerance on head shots and as long as fighting remains in the game.

    • Yes.

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • TheMock780 says:

      You’re 100% right SF. Until the league starts enforcing the rule, GM’s are going to continue to laugh in the face of it (litearlly laughing in the case of Brian Burke) and throw their players back out there. Crosby, Letang, Grabovski, and perhaps the worst was David Perron. How many more names are going to be added to the list?

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