Leafs 2-Habs 1: Post-game reaction

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The Toronto Maple Leafs put a damper on the Canadiens season opener on Saturday, with a 2-1 victory at the Bell Centre.

Penalties proved costly to the Habs with the Leafs two goals coming on the power play.

The Leafs got on the scoreboard in the first period with a goal by Nazem Kadri and went up by two in the second period when forward Tyler Bozak scored.

The Habs showed more signs of life in the third period. And coach Michel Therrien said he liked the players reaction. “We tried to push the pace and pushed the play. Toronto played really well, too. You’ve got to give them credit.”

“Every time you lose the battle of the special teams it’s tough to win,” Therrien added. “And tonight we lost that battle.”

The Canadiens season-opener began with a torch-passing ceremony and included Habs legend Jean Béliveau, who suffered a stroke last year.

It was 18-year-old Alex Galchenyuk’s first NHL game and he was greeted with loud cheers from the crowd when he was introduced during the pre-game ceremony.

“I thought he looked good,” Therrien said after the game about the Habs first-round draft pick last June. “He didn’t put himself in trouble. He skated well, tried to make some plays.”

“We saw that he’s got the speed to play,” Therrien added.

“I think a lot of guys were pumped up, amped up ready for this game,” said goaltender Carey Price. “I think the body was there, the mind might not have quite been sharp enough.”

Canadiens captain Brian Gionta, who missed a big chunk of last season because of surgery to repair a torn bicep, scored in the third period.

The Leafs outshot the Canadiens 26 to 22.

The Canadiens next game is on Tuesday at the Bell Centre against the Florida Panthers. With the shortened 48-game season, clubs will only play against teams within their conference.

You can hear what Gionta had to say after the game below:

663 Comments

  1. LA Loyalist says:

    …and now I have to go to my kid’s game where there are other dads from Toronto who are going to be wearing LEAFS SWEATSHIRTS and I am going to have to skulk around like a LOSER because we can’t show up for the opening day of the season?

    Send G back to Sarnia quick for his own sanity. Don’t want him ruined.

  2. Prust for PM says:

    Spare the rod, spoil the Hab. A veteran team with half the team having played during the lock-out. A veteran coaching staff that had 6 months to prepare. A Leafs team that should have been in complete disarray dominated the Canadiens physically, mentally & emotionally. Only 2 guys were pleased with Montreal’s effort: Pierre “The Grinch” Gauthier and P.K. Subban. Post game moves announced by Marc Bergevin:
    1. Galchenyuk returned to Sarnia.
    2. Moen traded to the Islanders for a pilon to be named later.
    3. Floral arrangement sent to Alex Kovalev whose scoring matched that of the entire Habs “organization.”
    Penalties ommitted from last night’s official game scoresheet:
    Plekenec: 2 minute Misconduct, “Playing Like a Little Girl.”
    Moen: 5 minute Misconduct, “Misuse of Montreal Canadiens Jersey; wearing said item.”
    Gorges: 10 minute Misconduct, “Conduct Most Unbecoming of a soldier, to wit Josh Gorges.”
    Therrien: 10 minute Misconduct, “Defacing Bell Centre Property-Peeling Paint.”

    My only true worry entering the game was Carey Price’s groin woes. Plus an elevated anxiety about whether Markov, Bourque, and Kaberle could still play NHL hockey. I am no longer worried about Price. But I AM worried about every other player in Montreal, Hamiliton, and Wheeling…and Toronto. Can we clone Subban and pay the 18 PK’s $63 million ($3.5 million each). Keep the 2 goalies and waive everyone else.

    Cannonading drive!!

  3. HabsFanInTampa says:

    Just to put things in perspective: The Lightning beat the crap out of a good Capitals team last night with a rag-tag roster. Not to mention MAB & Pouliot in the lineup and no goalie. And the Habs can’t beat a lousy Toronto team at home? Also, is it just me or do we need to cut back on our “legendary pre-game ceremonies”? We haven’t won anything in 20 years. It seems like we’re always looking back instead of looking forward.

  4. frontenac1 says:

    Could nuna have been right all along?

  5. Mike Bone says:

    I disagree with the blame people are laying on Plekanec for the snow shower on Scrivens. He had two choices, either run over the goaltender or stop. He stopped, and while he definitely snowed the goalie, it didn’t look like a deliberate attempt to be an asshole.

    As Carey Price said about whether snow showers bother a goalie, “If you’re that mentally weak, you shouldn’t be in the NHL.” I’m sure Scrivens would rather a little snow than 200 pounds of Plekanec bowling into him. But the ref has the right to call it, and it’s too bad people are calling Plekanec selfish because of it. It’s not like he took a cheap shot at a guy and cost the team after all.

    • Chris says:

      Plekanec did not have to choose the angle he did. The snow shower was completely avoidable.

      I didn’t think it deserved a penalty, because you see that kind of crap in every game. But there is no way people can argue that he had two choices, of bowling over the goalie or stopping. He had a third choice, get in the general vicinity (by skating one foot to the left and stopping) and force the faceoff.

      • Loonie says:

        I can argue that he only had two choices because the Leafs had three players back if I’m not mistaken.

        Each defender on either side of Scrivens creating an easy breakout with a man too deep if he chooses a side and takes that angle.

      • Mike Bone says:

        Yeah, I’m sure he was busy calculating angles at that speed. I expect frustration had him driving at the goalie and he decided not to do it at the last minute. Thus the snow shower.

        One thing, though. If the refs are going to call that, they’d better call it every single time a goalie gets snowed. It’s not like they can miss it during play, like a trip or a crosscheck. There’s always a ref right there, and you can’t pick and choose who goes to the box in that situation.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Twas I who wrote that. Maybe (probably) I am wrong, just my opinion. It just seemed to me like it was an intentional shower, and I must repeat, I rarely see that call made and was surprised it was called. However, that said, the timing of it was brutal and while i may be out of line for calling it selfish, it still is a dumb penalty.

      It was more about how that penalty to me seemed to sum up the night than the penalty itself.

      This team with its current roster can’t afford to be a man down as much as they were. I even feel we got some makeup calls after the shower.

      It was a bad first game, but many teams had a bad first game.

      While not a tank brigade member, I was fully expecting a difficult season, and I am just hopeful many of our veterans play better games while our younger players develop.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      It’s the Leafs, it’s not like we respect them.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I hate to put it out there but no one else is so I ask you Boone. Can you think of any player who would have drawn scorn and cries of selfishness and undiscipline play for putting the team in a spot like that and causing a goal and costing the team the game.

  6. habsfan0 says:

    The Panthers & Kovalev looked pretty good in beating Carolina last night. If they beat the Habs on Tuesday to cause the Habs to fall to 0-2, would it be too early to start using the dreaded “tank” word?

    The Panthers are a much better hockey team than the Leafs. If the Habs fall behind quickly on Tuesday, the boo birds will probably be out in force.

  7. Mon Can Fan says:

    New member of this site. I’m a huge HABS fan. I must say, I expected a much better effort than what we saw last night. Hopefully things will go better Tuesday.

  8. The Cat says:

    Its going to be tough for Markov, he’ll be a target, and its only a matter of time. He better get the philly flu a couple of times for his sake.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  9. --Habs-- says:

    Yikes – Hope it improves!

    Go HABS Go

  10. HabFab says:

    Dave_Stubbs – Baseball’s Earl Weaver, Stan Musial; broadcaster Richard Garneau lost in one weekend. Never have I looked forward more to Monday.

    And didn’t Jean and Henri look their ages yesterday…

  11. --Habs-- says:

    Relax – The only issue with finishing last this year is you have 14 teams having an equal chance at 1st pick.

    Go HABS Go

    • Loonie says:

      Is it an equal chance across the board or weighted odds by placement in the standings?

      If it’s equal chance the tank movement may need some tweaking.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Still weighted, only change I believe is the number of teams which have the opportunity to win the first pick.

        Lower finish still offers better chance at high pick.

      • wjc says:

        Loonie: Please explain to me what a ‘tank movement’ is?

        Do the fans have some kind of control of a team losing on purpose. Do you cheer for losses? If you cheer for them to lose, how does that make them lose.

        Do the players deliberately lose? If you think about it, they are playing for bigger and richer contracts, so getting points etc. is in there favor as is making the playoffs. Playoff money, team success, which helps when they become free agents to either stay or get a richer contract.

        If they deliberately lose, that means better players are drafted. This is competition for their jobs.

        So the players jockeying for a lower position in the standings or missing the playoffs actually works against them.

        If the fans think talking or planning a tank (deliberately losing) is somehow in their control, how is that possible? Magical thinking does not make it so. You are just spectators who supply the money that makes it all work, with (shall I say it) with no control over anything.

        So please tell me how you tweak a tank movement? Things will just fall where they will and you would have more success in planning the weather for the next month.

        Happy adventures folks!

        wjc

        • Loonie says:

          A tank movement isn’t the players losing deliberately. It’s management putting the team in a position to lose by focusing efforts on the future.

          Not giving up young assets or draft picks for stop gap improvements.

          • wjc says:

            Loonie, If I read you correctly, it is management losing on purpose. So they have to convince the coaching staff (who’s job it is to win) to lose on purpose. This is accomplished by giving them inferior players.

            In places like Montreal fans will tolerate paying $100’s of dollars for tickets for the chance to win in the future. The fans would be wise to stay away until all of this gets settled and the deliberate losing is over.

            But, then if that was to occur the revenues would be compromised. What about the scandal when the coach and staff are fired and he exposes the deliberate losing. Would make Lance Armstrong look like a choir boy.

            Stop gap improvements are demanded by the fan. The improvements are made to improve the team, and sometimes they do not work. Tough business this hockey thing.

            So Subban should sit for the rest of the year, they should trade off veteran players and sink, with the hope that the next ‘great one comes along’.

            I smell ‘a fix’ a scandal, the cheating of the fan who wants to see the best of the best, or at least the attempt at the best…..NOW! There is a lot of serious money being spent to promise success in a few years, while they deliberately lose.

            Think about what you are proposing, and realize, the only road to follow is the virtuous, noble, less traveled road. If you are a professional player, coach, owner, you are supposed to put your best product on the ice every time.

            wjc

    • Chris says:

      It is not equal chance.

      The weighted lottery still exists. But if you win the lottery, you win the lottery.

      So the best of the lottery teams still has a ridiculously low chance of drafting 1st overall (it would be 0.5% if they keep the same weighting as last season), while the worst team in the league has a roughly 1 in 5 shot of winning the first overall pick.

  12. HabFab says:

    Here is an article of how the over niter played out to reach the CBA deal…kudos to those responsible and hopefully my last link on the matter. Apparently at the Bruins press conference yesterday, Jacobs shot his mouth off about it being all the PA’s fault…what a douche!

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nhl/news/20130119/how-nhl-lockout-ended/

  13. habstrinifan says:

    We have gone from creating greatness to mimicking greatness.

    Our pre-game ceremonies are legendary our on ice industry not so much.

    We had a great motto but now we have a bright new shiny one “no excuses”. Everyone’s bought into this as it were an epiphany.
    Despite the fact I haven’t heard one HABS player in the last 5 years give excuses for the team’s performance. I have heard many PROMISES though. Maye we should try “No Promises”

    Respect! We are inventing ways to show respect to the CH. I think we have covered up the CH in the dressing room so no one walks on it. Get it! When you walk on the tarp/cloth you are NOT walking on that area really. We are adept in our delusion that we are links in a lineage of greatness.

    • wjc says:

      Habstrinsfan, have you ever thought of ‘giving up’. I mean seriously giving up the dream, move on.

      Why torture yourself with this, I see and feel your pain. Why put yourself through this agony. Surly you can find things to fill your time that bring happiness and fulfillment to your life.

      Some suggestions might be in pursuing pastimes that you have compete control of, martial arts, chess, bird watching, music lessons, wood working, photography etc. These could bring you the happiness that you seem to crave and you would have complete control.

      Right now you have no control and are just a spectator yelling at the television screen and being disappointed over and over.

      Remember the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

      These hints I give you, are for your personal sanity, and as much as I know you will not accept my trying to help, I felt like it was my duty to stop your self destruction.

      Peace

      wjc

  14. PrimeTime says:

    The sky is falling. The sky is falling!!!! Good ol’ Hab “fans” – JUMP. Do it!!!

  15. habsfan0 says:

    Has Timo called for Therrien’s head yet this morning?

  16. Danno says:

    The refs sure didn’t help by spotting the Leafs two points

    ________________________________________

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  17. Habfan17 says:

    Wow, the Habs have played one game and so many people crap on them. Get a grip! Yes, the Habs have holes. Yes, Bergevin could have overpayed 2nd line free agents last summer not knowing what the new CBA would bring, knowing however, that this summer, there will be more free agents available and he and his group would have had a season to evaluate the team he has.

    To me, he has shown to have made wise moves so far. Galchenyuk will prove to be a great pick, they will still draft high enough in a strong draft to get a very good prospect, and because he didn’t panic and sign over priced free agents last summer like Gauthier and Gainey did, he will have room at the end of the season to add some pieces having a much better idea of what is currently in the system.

    Boullion’s contract ends, if they can’t trade Kaberle, they can buy him out and free up cap space. If Eller, Galchenyuk and Gallagher really improve, some older players can be moved for more assets.Having said this, Eller needs to be given the same opporunity he did when playing overseas during the lockout. I am still not sold that over the long term, DD is the answer on the first line. I think Galchenyuk on the first line and Eller on the 2nd makes more sense in the future.

    As far as Subban goes, yes he is probably the best the Habs have on defence, but Bergevin cannot afford to overpay him and he hasn’t shown enough maturity to warrant a long term deal yet. If Subban is mature and is sincere in his words that Mtl is where he wants to be and help win the cup, then do what Price and Patches did and take a 2 year deal at $3.5 million and give the team a chance to put together a winning roster and prove yourself. The cap will be higher then and if Subban reaches the level we hope for, he will get an even better contract then and over both contracts, probably make more money than if he signed long term now!

    Why sign another veteran D-man with size now when they may have two players ready next season, Tinordi and Beaulieu. Not to mention that Pateryn is a big body stay at home d-man with sandpaper and he is already older. If it weren’t for an injury, he may have been ready to call up now.

    Habfan17

    • Loonie says:

      Many people have explained eloquently and logically why Subban should not be compared to Price and Pacioretty in discussing the merits of the second contract. The team’s reliance on Subban at the time he was up for an extension was much more significant than the roles Price and Pacioretty were in prior to their extensions.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Still, defenceman take lomger to develop and too many times we’ve seen players have a “good” year, get big contracts and then not live up to them. Let him take 2 years to prove last season was not a one of!

        Habfan17

        • Loonie says:

          He’s had two good years and they happened to be his first two years. Everyone should be looking to improve.

          Subban’s given no indication that he won’t improve. He got significantly better last season. No reason to think he won’t continue to improve unless you’re in the “he’s a selfish cancer” camp.

          • Habfan17 says:

            No, I don’t think he is a slefish cancer. I think he is just very outgoing and says what he thinks. Howvere, if what was writeen is true and bergevin did offer him 5 years at $6 miilion, then I may have to rethink that. That is an extremely fair offer that shows the Habs want him and value him, especially for a second contract.

            Habfan17

          • Habfan17 says:

            In my humble opinion he has had one so so year and one good year, that does not make you a $6 million dollar player, even if he has not shown that ne will not get any better. What happened to becoming a superstar before getting paid like one. In not one game has he carried the team to a win or like Harvey and other greats, controlled a game or change the pace of a game. That is true greatness. I think in time he will, but so far he has not. I really like Subban and want him with the Habs, but he also has to remember that these other large contracts were given out before the new Cap and the teams with those contracts might have to part ways with other players next season that they would rather keep because of them. It is a team game. As well, most of the folks here posted that the owners are to blame for the mess for giving out these big contracts. Now folks want Bergevin to do what they were condeming during the lockout. You can’t have it both ways. Maybe now you understand one reaso why players are overpaid!

            Habfan17

          • Habfan17 says:

            Chara has won the Norris and he is making $6.9 million and he has been a top player for more than 2 years. Karlsson in Ottawa had 78 points, was plus 16 and won the Norris and he signed for $5 million. Lidstrom has won the Norris many times and played for less money is detroit so they could be a better team and have a chance to win. Seabrook and Keith bith make under $6 million and thay have proven themselves over more years. I think at this pint that Subban matches up better with Jack Johnson at $4.3 million and Dan Girardi, bith at around $3.5 million. Remember, Suter is paid $3.5 million per, the biggest pay out was signing bonuses. So let Subban sign for 2 years at $4 million to refoect his wiorth to the Habs with a signing bonus of $3 million.

            Habfan17

          • Loonie says:

            I think you should double check your numbers.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      IMHO Subban is already our best player and will only get better. I cannot buy this “immaturity” POV that keeps rearing its head.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Whether it is true or not, what is wrong with taking a shorter contract to end up signing a much better one after. If he is sincere about wanting to be in Montreal and give the team a chance to build a team capabale of competing for the cup for many years. sign a contract that gives him a lot more than he was making, and allowing Bergevin to work with the cap reality. As the cap goes up and contracts come off the books, there will be plenty of money for a nice long term contract for Subban. Bergevin has already stated many times he wants Subban, but the cap is what it is and the market has to reflect comparable players in the league, not just the fact that he is the best defenceman on the team. You could move at least 20 other d-men to the Habs who are not number one on their respective teams, and they would be with the current edition of the Habs.

        Habfan17

        • ed lopaz says:

          can you name these “at least 20 other d-men” please, who are not #1 on their respective teams and they would be with the current edition of the Habs??

          I can’t name 20 d-men in the league, period, who are better then Subban.

        • Old Bald Bird says:

          I think we’re all guessing as to what is going on. The hot stove guys last night seemed to agree that the offer to Subban is insulting. but maybe they’re guessing too.

          • Habfan17 says:

            We are guessing, although they did report that a long term offer was made. I have to go and find the post, but it was either 5 years at $6 million per, or 6 years at $5 million per. I am thinking it was the latter and that Subban probably wants it at 6 years, $6 million per.

            Habfan17

  18. HabsFanInTampa says:

    Markov looked like he was skating on molasses. He should of stayed in Russia. I still can’t believe we let The Wiz and Hammer loose so we can afford to sign this injury-riddled has-been.

  19. HabinBurlington says:

    The post Lidstrom era in Detroit didn’t look last night and the Bruins clearly haven’t changed their style of play. Lucic and company were up to their usual standards last night.

    Lots of teams had bad opening nights, not just Montreal.

    • Loonie says:

      I don’t think the Wings’ fall should be a surprise to anyone. Remove Chara from the Bruins and similar results will follow. Elite defensemen are the most underrated commodity in the NHL.

    • HabsFanInTampa says:

      As much as I dislike the Bruins and their play. It’s been successful for them and why would they change their style of play?

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Oh I am not saying they should, just pointing out that it was fight night in Boston and they won. Lucic had a boarding penatly which I think could easily have been a match penalty, but the refs rather threw him out of the game later for something he said.

  20. adamkennelly says:

    ground hog day from last season. with the exception of the Prust scrap – that was a carbon copy of what we endured most nights…a lot of rust which can be shaken off but our D looks quite bad – with Markov leading the charge – for someone who has been playing, he was not sharp at all. Our best line was prolly the 4th with Bourque being the most noticed forward outside that group. this team cannot afford to not have PK in the line-up unless of course we are playing for a high draft pick.

  21. solomio says:

    Why was Toronto better prepared than the Habs, in every aspect of the game?

    “I figure Bergevin has 3 or 4 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

    • Loonie says:

      I don’t think they were better prepared. But they adjusted in every phase of the game and the Habs did not.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I think those two early penalties and the ensuing goal took the air out. It shouldn’t have I guess, but I think it did. So, I am not quite prepared to agree that it was lack of preparation. It might have been, but I am not sure yet.

  22. ed lopaz says:

    from my chair the biggest disappointment last night was the extent to which Markov’s surgeries have slowed him down.

    he had 1 goal and 5 points in 21 games on a team that is playing about .500 hockey in the KHL,
    and based on the way he skated last night I would not expect him to be much more then a .25 point per game player, ending the 48 game season with about 12 points.

    he lacks the quickness, the mobility, to escape checkers, and to create open ice.

    he still can make some smart decisions on the power play, but the speed of the game will even limit him in this area.

    for example, he used to come in off the blue line and challenge at the net, but I’m not sure he has the quickness to make that move work any longer, and will he have the speed to get back and play defence if this play fails?

    if and when Subban returns he will be without question our #1 d-man.

    • Loonie says:

      He needs time Ed. I believe he knows where he’s at physically and he made two critical plays last night with his lack of footspeed in mind and both saved scoring opportunities.

      The first was when he broke up the stretch pass to JVR when he wasn’t going to be able to skate across the blueline with him, he took an angle to the pass and got a piece of it breaking it up and preventing a breakaway.

      The second was a play at the Leafs blueline. He was caught flatfooted and knew that if he didn’t break up the play it would be a 3 on 1 for them. He challenged Kessel at the blueline and Kessel coughed up the puck.

      I think his passing was great and his play around our net was fantastic too. The speed is definitely gone, and it probably won’t come back, but he’s still our best defenseman and in my opinion was the best player on the ice last night, for both teams.

      • ed lopaz says:

        the best player on the ice for both teams was Dion Phaneuf who made shutting down our #1 line look too easy.

        • Loonie says:

          I disagree Ed. I think our top line getting shut down was a result of our top line expecting more of the same from last year without a willingness to earn chances.

          • ed lopaz says:

            if by “expecting more of the same” you mean “playing their game”, then yes, that is exactly what they expected.

            the 3 of them expected that “their game” was good enough to produce last year, so it should be good enough to produce this year.

            they tried to play their game and they were denied that opportunity.

            the time and space was taken away and they were rarely open if front of the net either.

            in my book, I give credit to the defence for that result.

          • Loonie says:

            I believe they’ll have to make adjustments to sustain their success Ed. Teams won’t be sleeping when they’re on the ice this season. No sneaking up on anyone this year.

  23. habstrinifan says:

    Some coaching decisions?

    Eller starts another season on the 4th line in limbo.
    Bouillon is played like a top pairing D-MAN.
    Weber starts the season on the bench..another player in limbo.

    These were not decisions made because of the pressure of a short week camp. These decisions can be made by sitting down and planning the growth curve of your team and sticking to a plan for real improvement.

    • Loonie says:

      Eller was on the third line all night, Weber should have been in the press box in my opinion and the usage of Bouillon is….ahem…..not good.

      • habstrinifan says:

        My error. But as I posted before the game… if Eller isnt getting top six minutes somehow then we are FARTING round again!!!!!!!!!!!

        Eller is either a top six forward or doesnt fit on this team. Find out NOW!

        • commandant says:

          I disagree…. I don’t think its top 6/bottom 6.

          To me its top 9 and fourth line.

          I see little difference between the role that the second line and third line will play.

          The era where the 3rd line was Bob Gainey and Doug Jarvis… or was Guy Carbonneau and Mike McPhee…. or was Draper/Maltby in Detroit…. or on and on throughout the league is over.

          Pure checking lines don’t really exist anymore. Most teams are using their first or second line to go head to head with the other team’s first line…. Mikko Koivu, Pavel Datsyuk, Mike Richards, Ryan Kesler, Jonathan Toews, Stephen Weiss, and on and on through the league.

          So Pleks line takes the tough matchup, Eller plays against the other team’s second line… and both are expected to do the same thing… play a two way game.

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          • ed lopaz says:

            and Eller needs a full season at the NHL level as a center in order to continue his development properly.

            3rd line center for Eller is a very good result for him.

  24. habstrinifan says:

    Lots of posters here are upgrading the venom content of their posts re P.K with most directed at P.K.

    Let me first state that I do believe that there are ‘problems’ with the inter-relationship between P.K and many in the room. And P.K’s attitude MUST SURELY CONTRIBUTE. But it is NOT all his fault. And it is a very bad indication of the skills of the HABS brain trust in dealing with situations like this that they have let this fester and given some the right to be ‘holier than thou’.

    Read some of the remarks from the ‘room’.

    Bergevin from a hockey news article, “2012/08/15: Montreal GM Marc Bergevin wouldn’t get into specifics regarding contract discussions with restricted free agent P.K. Subban, but he did say it is “an ongoing process.” The length of the deal is reportedly an issue of contention, as the Canadiens want to sign Subban to a shorter-term contract like they did in the past with forward Max Pacioretty and goaltender Carey Price prior to committing to them for the long-term. Bergevin doesn’t sound like he is exactly sold on Subban’s place as part of the team’s core of young players just yet, but he did give the impression that the team still has high hopes for him. “He’s a good young player,” Bergevin stated. “There’s a lot of things that come into play, (but) there’s potential there for sure.” (Source: Montreal Gazette)”

    Recently from Macs responding to the news of Gomez being released.
    He went on and on about how sad he was to see Gomez a great person in the room leaving. When asked about Subban he went on and on about how they have other young guys ready and able to take the job. Macs said he would NEVER forget that it was Gomez who ‘challenged’ Chara on after Chara slammed him into the stanchion. Macs apparently conveniently forgot that it was P.K who challenged Chara at the incident which many believe precipitated Chara’s action.

    Theerien when asked about Subban couple days ago. “I asked MB to not talk to me about Subban…. I would like… to have the opportunity… to make him a better person”. First thing outta his mouth… he wanted to make Subban a better person. Therrien the Virtuous Unmblemish” paragon of a perfected human being who is chomping at the bits to show Subban the white (ooops typo) the right way.

    My point! Subban from all can be a grating presence. But Habs have and had a responsibility to deal with their room in a fair and positive and productive manner.

    You can find many similar quotes. Like Subban or Not? Call him an idiot or not? Put yourself in his place. If you were a young man at his stage in life and in his circumstances would you feel eager and welcomed back in that room.

    Whether Subban is signed or not, soon or not, Habs management have shown an incredibly obtuse grasp on this problem and will have to improve this area of handling the dressing room.

    • Loonie says:

      Great post and Elliote Friedman said it best last night. If Subban’s character is an issue, Bergevin would be willing to trade him, and nobody has been given that impression thus far.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Thanks! I may disagree with you though. I do think Subban has flaws in his character which, to be fair, says that he MUST shoulder the responsibility to change.

        But the HABS management needed to make sure that no player in the room is allowed to judge and ostracise any other player. That as ‘hockey’ players every player MUST have the other player’s back on hockey matters.

        I have followed this story very very closely.

        From Gomez’s unprecedented sneer at Subban on the ice for all to see.
        From Gionta the captain not seeing the image it conveys to the public but being ‘image conscious’ re the Markov-Price incident to LIE and say “it never happened”.
        From Bob Gainey being the ONLY (I F..ing stress the ONLY F..ing Canadien who stood up to Richards and Cherry etc re Subban. It was one of the foremost reasons why I thought JM was a deficient leader… which was completely proven by his handling of the Cammllieri/Lapierre/Captaincy thing.

        Two anecdotes.
        #1
        I remember during the celebration of a victory against Boston in the playoffs, Savard sitting on the boards and Robinson going by heading to the dressing room. Savard grabbed him and gave him a shoulder hug and pulled him into the fold. If you followed the ‘rumours and gossips’ re the usual spats between the BIG THREE you would have been tearing up, as I did, at this scene and feeling good that you had leaders in the room.

        #2.
        I remember a game where Subban was lying on the ice turtling and protecting his face in a scrum…skates all around him. I wrote a scathing piece (and starngely was called a racist for the piece) that this was one of the most disgraceful sites I had seen from a HAB for a long time. I never want to see a player on the HABS lying on his back turtling hiding his face for more than the minimum time it takes for his to alter his position with more ‘dignity’. BUT and this is a BIG BUT, I also compared the teammates reaction to a similar incident from the great HABS team when more than one player dug in there and grabbed their comrade off the ice so that he wasnt in danger of all the skates. You do that and then you have the ‘moral authority and responsibility’and have earned the RIGHT to take that player back into the corridors privately and clout him behind the ears and tell him no HABS turtle like that period. It’s called leadership and having your teammate’s back in any fight even the ones YOU know your teammate is in the WRONG!

    • Cal says:

      PK should sign. IF not, let him sit the whole season. HE has no leverage and no arbitration rights and Meehan thinks he should get term.
      No one player is bigger than the team and PK sitting out while the team is under new coaching and management is detrimental to him. He is the only one losing out. Meanwhile, Diaz gets to play.

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      • Loonie says:

        No player is bigger than the team – correct
        He has no arbitration rights – correct

        He has no leverage – false. His leverage is his services. As a matter of fact I would argue that he has more leverage than Bergevin. Subban doesn’t need this team, Bergevin and he will agree on a fair contract, they won’t and somebody will sign Subban to an offer sheet or Bergevin will trade him. He will play again, but does Bergevin want him to be with the Canadiens is the question.

        Bergevin’s leverage is only his RFA status, that doesn’t mean Subban can’t sign elsewhere, it means that Bergevin controls which team he plays for.

        Some people have said Subban wants Doughty money, Cherry says $6 million, Kypreos says $5 million and Subban himself says that everybody’s wrong when discussing what he wants.

        If it’s unfair for people to speculate that this is on Bergevin, it’s equally unfair to Subban to speculate about what he wants for a contract.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Agree with this post.

        • Cal says:

          PK loses every day he sits out. If his services are in such high demand, where then is that offer sheet?
          Remember when he was chosen 43rd in the draft. All the teams skipped by him, some of them twice.
          PK needs to play to show what he can do. Bergevin has a salary structure that he is following.

          • Loonie says:

            Where’s this salary structure Cal? What is it?

            With every passing loss while Subban sits at home the pressure mounts to get him back. He does have a positive impact on this team.

            It’s likely that there haven’t been any offer sheets because the Habs can match most. But has anybody thought about the possibility of Subban declining contract offers from other teams? Because it’s quite possible and probably likely that he’s had an opportunity to sign a contract(offer sheet) with another team and decided against it.

          • Cal says:

            @ Loonie-
            He has to manage the cap with an eye to it dropping to 64.3 from the current allowable 70.2 mill. That is a BIG drop. If revenues don’t increase but fall again, it will be harder to fit players into that cap.
            The Habs have pretty much spent to or close to the cap since it was put into place, with a little wiggle room.
            If Subban does SIGN an offer sheet, then we’ll see what MB will do, but until he does he has only himself stopping him from rejoining the Habs.

          • Loonie says:

            Your logic dictates that Bergevin has no responsibility in these negotiations.

            You’re smarter than that Cal. This is a business. And if term is really the issue, they need to find common ground. Subban is not obligated to bend over backwards.

        • rhino514 says:

          I don´t think anyone will make an offer to Subban, but I kind of hope it happens because it´s a no lose situation for the habs.
          The offer sheet could be two firsts and two seconds, or maybe even more than 2 firsts…you have to consider such an offer,
          But most likely they match and then you have your PK again.

          Guesswork is fun, and any comment regarding PK is guess work because we don´t know what´s going on.
          We have no way of knowing what goes on inside the room, Obviously if PK rubs players the wrong way and is selfish, I don´t think he should be on the team. hockey is a team game and unity on a team is incredibly important.
          If he is just young and exuberant that is a completely different thing, and I think every attempt should be made to sign him.

          But it is definitely STRANGE that he has not been signed long before now. There is more than meets the eye here, and most likely we will never know.
          I personally think it would have been easy for Bergevin to sign him, even if he were to overpay. But for whatever reason, MB has taken the tough road because his instinct regarding PK is telling him that he may not be worth as long a term or as high a salary as people think. And I respect him strongly for having the guts to follow his instinct, even putting this shortened season in jeopardy by doing so; I think it takes alot of balls.
          I think if there is something amiss with PK, MB will drive a hard bargain contract that will ensure he is tradeable in case his relationship with the team goes awry.
          Or else I am gladly wrong in my suspicions and it´s just meehan being greedy and MB doing what the candiens do best; negotiate very hard bridge contracts. Unlike free agent contracts where they overpay, the habs are the best at getting “slight discounts” on their other players. If they save just half a million on each player, that´s over 10 million saved in cap space and payroll.
          It enables the team to have leeway in making the odd big mistake (such as Gomez) but still incredibly maximize the rest of their dollars with most of their players and still field, at least on paper, a pretty strong team and evade the kind of cap trouble other teams have.

          Another question we can ask is: what would Gauthier be doing in this situation? we do know he can´t stand extroverts…interesting to think what kind of calamity would have befallen us if he were taking care of this.

  25. Loonie says:

    Chemistry’s one thing, it’s going to take time. So will the Powerplay. No reason to expect both to be so much as good in game one after a short camp. But things that were really bad last night…..

    1. DD, Max and Cole – This line is like a surprise playoff team the following season. Opposing teams won’t be falling asleep on them this year. They’re going to have to realize in a hurry that the behind the back drop passes and passes into traffic aren’t going to result in goals as much as they did last year. They’re going to have to find ways to generate offense that aren’t reliant on blown coverage. They were too close together last night in the offensive zone and appeared very easy to defend.

    2. Ice time. Most coaches seem to think that rolling four lines is going to be key. It’s ideal sure, but starting your fourth line in the third period trailing by two goals and going back to them regularly in the third is ill advised. Not a way to generate offense. In fairness to Therrien, they generated the first scoring chance of the game and were playing with energy but at the end of the day, your skilled players are the guys who need to be relying on for production on the scoresheet, anything that fourth line chips in with is a bonus. On the back, I don’t care how much love we all heap on Bouillon, he is by no means this team’s second best defenseman even with Subban out of the lineup and having him on the Powerplay was terrible. Plekanec as the second unit’s defenseman would have been a much better options, as would Emelin. Again, not relying much on the Powerplay early but that doesn’t mean it should be sabotaged, and the second unit may as well have been.

    3. The major concern last night was the lack of a response after the early penalties and the goal. The effort disappeared. In addition, they played the exact same system last night as they did with Martin and this was the big fear many had. Same system, louder voice. Maybe the guys in the room were nervous, maybe they were upset that they were taking the ice without Subban but sooner or later they’re going to have to learn how to play from behind and generate offense in a league that has become high scoring. Defense first is great, but no offense is catastrophic.

    Lastly. I’m convinced Therrien is the wrong man for the job after last night, but it hasn’t got anything to do with the results from last night’s game, it was a thought I had in the third period.

    He either hasn’t changed as a man and coach or when he’s in the dressing room and on the bench he’s going to be so focused on changing himself that he won’t be able to identify the pulse of the room.

    He got a great ovation last night and it was great to see because I’m sure that was a feeling that he’ll remember forever. But having said that, last night he was a coach who didn’t have his team ready to play from an energy standpoint, didn’t make the easily noticeable and necessary adjustments and didn’t do anything other than promote Bourque to the second line to generate offense. Funny move in itself because Galchenyuk had generated the most offense on that second line in the first place. It would have been one thing to give Bourque that spot and roll two lines down by two goals, but he continued to roll four.

    They can only get better and I’m sure they will, but there have been a lot of moves from the top down that are at the very least questionable. Hopefully the results on the ice prompt a little more analysis into these moves and a fair discussion can begin about whether or not the men who took over are the best for the job.

  26. HabinBurlington says:

    I think what disappointed me the most was the stupid and selfish penalties the team was taking. In particular the snow job Plex gave Scrivens. As a veteran and leader on this team, that penalty was just plain stupid. Already being down 1-0 and struggling to get any momentum going by constantly killing penalties, this penalty seemed to sum up the night for me.

    Would like to think he recognizes how dumb a penalty that was.

    • Loonie says:

      The snow shower’s trickier than you think Gerald. Scrivens had around four seconds to play the puck and should have been directed to by the referee who made the penalty call on Plekanec. Plekanec has to put pressure on Scrivens to either play it or get a whistle and it wasn’t as if Plekanec waited. He shot the puck on net and hauled ass to it expecting it to be played. At the point he gets to the net he can either crash into Scrivens or stop, he stopped. That call was on the official. But in my opinion, one of the few bad calls on the night. Officiating didn’t decided the game but I don’t feel Plekanec deserves blame on that play.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Well we differ on this one, seemed to me he tried to sell it as you describe it, but made sure he snowed the goalie. I do think the call was weak, but not surprised it was made as it happened in such an obvious manner.

        I just feel Plex made a selfish play, and while he was not alone in that, it stood out to me. At that point in the game, all we needed was to be able to get some 5 on 5 play for a litte more extended time in order to try get some rythym going. Going back on the PK with our group of dmen was not helpful.

        Simply too many dmen of the same flavour on this roster currently. Very hard for any coach to build much with that backend.

        • Loonie says:

          I don’t think Plekanec did anything to avoid showering Scrivens, but the alternative was to skate into him. He took his chances and it resulted in a penalty. I wouldn’t leap to call it selfish but Plekanec does have a reputation for doing it and maybe that’s what the referee was going on there. Ultimately, that play was as much the referee’s fault as it was Plekanec’s. He needs to blow the whistle quicker in that situation.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I thought it was a weak call. The officials are in preseason form as well as the players. Good thing fans got a free beer last night. Tough to play against? Not sure. Tough to watch? Yep.

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  27. CanadienBoy says:

    Hey this is preseason hockey with new coaches ans system ,the real season start in 47 game

  28. commandant says:

    I see we are (mostly) all overreacting to one game

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    • slimjim111 says:

      I couldn’t agree more… Team had a week to prepare with a new coach and system. Relax people.

      And this whole talk of what if PK was there… He’s been reporting the weather on TV and goofing around throughout the lockout… I doubt he’s in any better shape than the guys on the squad. Moreover, how quickly do people forget the times where we were upset by his mistakes and turnovers…

      Give it time.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Not only overreacting Ben but making crap up. I am more convinced then ever that people don’t watch the games and just post their preconceived ideas and opinions such as Price sucks, Gorges was good, as two examples.

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  29. sreuel says:

    If the fans deserve better and this is it as all team said at the beginning

  30. HabFanSince72 says:

    I didn’t follow the discussion too closely during the game, but am I correct in thinking that Therrien’s ability to coach this team was first questioned early in the 2nd period, approximately 7 days after he first met the players?


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  31. Chris says:

    My impressions:

    The Leafs are doing what Montreal should be doing. “Truculence” in the NHL does not win games. It has not won games since the 1970’s. The Leafs will be a much better and much tougher to beat team this year because they will be getting more balanced scoring. That third line of Komarov-Kadri-Van Riemsdyk could be very, very good.

    The Montreal Canadiens have loaded up with forwards right now that can only create something in the offensive zone if it is a paint-by-numbers page that they’ve been given. I thought Prust was terrible last night, so I’m a little surprised to see the love he’s getting. He won his fight, but his passing was absolutely atrocious. Moen was, as I often find, completely invisible. Armstrong was a train wreck.

    The Desharnais line was not particularly good, although Pacioretty was at least trying. Cole seemed to think that the season doesn’t start for another week or two, because he didn’t show up last night.

    Overall, that group of forwards would have struggled against any AHL team last night. The passing was off everywhere on the ice, resulting in almost no puck possession and putting the defence corps on their heels for the whole game.

    The defence were not great (Gorges had the roughest game I’ve seen from him in a Habs jersey), but they couldn’t do much with a group of forwards who were treating their hockey sticks like pool cues.

    The best Montreal forwards on the night, for my money, were Rene Bourque, who showed some of the drive that he had in Calgary in his successful years, and Ryan White, who was skating very well last night. I keep hearing that White doesn’t have NHL speed, yet he was the first Hab back on numerous plays, skating like his hair was on fire to chase down and pressure the Leafs forwards.

    It is a first game, and it is always dangerous to read too much into one game. But after watching a few other games on the evening, no team was passing at anything approaching the horrible passing displayed by the Habs last night. If you can’t connect a string of three passes in this league, you should be putting a Jones, Barkov or MacKinnon nameplate on a jersey for the draft.

    • HabFab says:

      Ah! Poppa Smurf, I presume :)

      • Chris says:

        I don’t care so much if the guy is big or small. I just want to see some accuracy on the passes. Montreal has been plagued in recent years by passes that are either a step ahead of the player or a step behind them, which throws off the timing of your rush.

        Perhaps it was bad ice (there were a lot of strange slips last night, with Gorges and Scrivens having the roughest nights in that department), but there were so many plays in the neutral zone that could have led to a sustained attack that were thrown away by a bobble by the puck-carrier (Pacioretty had a blatant one last night) or a pass that forces the recipient to slow down or stretch out, thereby throwing off the timing of everybody on the ice and making it easy to defend.

        With so little preparation, i wasn’t expecting anything too complicated. But it was Keystone Kops out there from Montreal’s point of view, and I didn’t see nearly that level of incompetence in the other games I watched.

        I can live with the loss. There will be a lot of those this season as the rebuild continues. But it just struck me that these guys were passing at a Timbit level last night.

    • Marc10 says:

      I don’t see this team getting anywhere until they get a semblance of a powerplay going. And based on what we saw last night, are there 5 Habs in uniform that could even dream of producing a top 10 powerplay unit in their present game shape?

      We better start putting nameplates on jerseys and praying that the alter of St Timmins…

    • New says:

      I am really trying hard not to come down on the team. I can say that the other games on NBC and CBC were better except I thought Price played at a higher level than I would have expected for the goalies given the layoff. Whatever he is doing he needs to keep doing it. I think it would be nice if the team could stop themselves from taking certain penalties. The same guys did it last year as well. It is tough to bust your butt only to see another player put you down, especially when the generic coaching line today is get up one and hang on.

    • The Cat says:

      Truculence does win, the nuance you probably should have made is that truculence wasnt necessary to beat Montreal last night.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • rhino514 says:

      Isn´t White the guy who missed his man on the PK that led to the goal? I think Nokkia needs to be the centre on that line, he´s good at faceoffs and looks like more reliable defensively.

      • Chris says:

        The PK goal was a hard one…a blocked shot throws everybody out of their rhythm, especially the goalie. If the puck takes the incredible fortunate carom that it did, it’s hard to blame anybody.

        After watching the replay, White blocked Phaneuf’s shot, and then almost blocked Kessel’s shot. I’m not entirely sure what Armstrong was doing on the play, and Bouillon was probably the guy that should have stayed with Bozak as he had him coming out of the corner.

  32. HabinBurlington says:

    That game was a very ragged game and certainly wasn’t a showcase of talent on the ice.

    I thought my one leaf buddies summed it up best when he said that both these teams points combined may not be enough to make the playoffs.

    Seemed like complete lack of organization, there will be plenty of video for the coaches and players to review. Hope they can get their Sh&t together.

    Who had a worse night last night, Mike Gillis or Marc Bergevin?

    • The Cat says:

      You usually forget stinkers when you win them. A win is a win.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • HabFab says:

      Was starting to worry that you hadn’t survived your night out in Leafnation ;)

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Well I had to wash dishes at the bar to help with the bar tab, so I was a little later than usual waking up this morning.

        Who knew all those leaf fans drank Jagrmeister, at least they do when I buy them. Tankfully it was a low scoring game, evidently I apparantly also included each goal in my wagers. For some reason I couldn’t get the disallowed goal round of drinks ordered on my buddies tab before the refs said no goal.

    • Marc10 says:

      It was pretty darn bad, no question… but there is no GM or coach in this league that could turn either team into a contender.

      It’s a wash at this point, but ask me again if we lose 5 in a row.

    • Leviathan says:

      I think Gillis had the worst night followed by Holland, then Bergevin. Haha. St Louis put a beating on the Wings. The Canadiens didn’t get blown out and for some reason games against the Leafs are usually close (thankfully it didn’t go to a shootout…).

  33. savethepuck says:

    Seems like most of the media is under the impression that until PK gets signed, one of the major factors is going to be that if the Habs are losing his value is going to go up, but if the Habs are winning, his value will go down. I am a huge PK fan, but if his agent is telling him to sit out and hope his team loses so he can get a bigger contract, that’s not a player I want on my team no matter how good he is or will be. That’s not the definition of a guy that will give that extra effort for his teammates when needed in the playoffs. BTW, I am not assuming that PK is sitting in Toronto hoping the Habs lose, I am just saying that if that’s the case, it would not be the type of player I want on my team and I’m just using it as an example based on what media is saying regarding his value going up or down.
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    • The Cat says:

      Of course as the habs lose PK’s leverage goes up, this is Montreal and not Phoenix.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • govenah says:

      I think the opening torch ceremony had to make PK feel something in his stomach. I am sure he feels bad about not be part of that. It’s a real team bonding moment no matter what.
      The week coming up is one of the few 3 day stretches left for practice we have. Very important in the forming of the pp and penalty kill etc… Who knows? maybe PK will wake up and want to be on the ice in MTL.

    • New says:

      PK is my favorite player. He has so much potential. But he is not the be all and end all, just a story. The team plays him a lot. Some guys aren’t strong enough to play 24 minutes a game, PK and Gorges are. PK gets buckets of powerplay time so it is actually Gorges they relied on last year (ES, PK,). Gorges was the horse and PK the star.

      PK is better off the ice than on. He is a fan favorite for a reason. He knows what to do, when, and where. On the ice a different thing.

  34. Captain aHab says:

    So what do you think the lines would be for the next game if JM was still coaching? Galchenyuk would be 4th line RW and get 2.5 minutes playing time while Moen would play second line.

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  35. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    Both teams skated like the ice was melted – as slow as the servers for HIO (well, not quite). It was one of the least interesting games I have ever seen, and that says a lot about a season opener.
    It was just a pre-season game with no coordination, butterflies galore and superb goaltending.
    Bad hockey. There won’t be 47 more of those, but one more will be too many. If they don’t get it more together for Tuesday, the fans won’t be chanting “PK”. They’ll be chanting “lockout”.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Agree. I watched a few games yesterday and the quality if the games were very similar to this one. The hockey will get better but not sure the results will change though.

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      • CharlieHodgeFan says:

        I came away feeling I hadn’t seen much to build an opinion on. The defence was awful, but the Leafs offence was worse. It was a lousy game, just like the Winterpeg game I took a look at earlier in the day.
        At least games played at this high level will fill the seats in the south!
        I agree, the team looked dismal, and it could be the longest short season ever. At the same time, there is some hope buried in there, and with a few deals, there’s a chance the team could go up a notch. And Gionta was a good “addition”.
        Take away the really bad timing and get them shooting from in front of the net, and it’ll get better. At the outset, I was struck by how often the Habs were checking skaters who were in front of them. That eased as the scrimmage went on. I’d be mad if I had paid to go, all torch shows aside, but it was flat, lead-legged preseason hockey.

  36. Habsrule1 says:

    Chill people. the Habs will get much better. The laffs will not.
    I saw some good things. Gionta was…well, Gionta, and Bourque played aggressive and with heart. Kaberle made some good plays but he’s far from being PK.
    It’s so obvious how much better this team is with PK, but all in all, with a few tweaks, I’m expecting the Habs to do very well. Timing was off, but they will get there and they will make the playoffs.

    Go Habs Go!!

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  37. DorvalTony says:

    Night of the Living Dead.

    When I find myself in times of trouble Marc Bergevin says to me “Tony there is hope, we’re Gomez-free. Gomez-free, Gomez-free, Gomez-free, Gomez-free,” speaking words of wisdom “We’re Gomez-free.”

    • The Cat says:

      I would prefer to be kaberle-free than Gomez-free. Depth at centre went from bad to pretty bad. Youd have had at least 1 or 2 more scoring chances with Gomez in the lineup. That said, I think the habs make the playoffs thanks to the Prust line.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  38. HabFab says:

    On the POSITIVE side;
    – team competed in the third. Didn’t happen much last season.
    – won the face-offs 61.8%

  39. HABZ24 says:

    Ya its very early,but habs looked like a deer in the head lights last night,flat footed and dazed.playing kovey and the panthers tuesday we should win that?
    Sign pk
    GO HABS GO

  40. 44har48 says:

    I noticed the Habs upgraded (some would argue) the front office and coaching in the off season, but I really did not see where they upgraded anything other than the 4th line from last year – give or take Gionta, White, and Markov healthy. I think I saw just what I expected last night. A group that got 6 days with their new coach and system and the same guys I watched finish near the bottom of the league last year. The 4th line was fantastic to me and our top 3 lines got outplayed. Our defence looked slightly improved, but still needs time to play together as a unit.

    Last nights game sucked but what I saw more was a better Leafs team than I expected (god that pains me to say), not a worse Habs team than I expected.

  41. Psycho29 says:

    So how’s the Panic Room this morning?

  42. Marc10 says:

    Huberdeau had a dream debut with Kovy in Florida. Wow! Where was that guy at the WHC? Poise, vision… He looked amazing out there.

    • Captain aHab says:

      Saw him play quite a bit in the Q and he was a really good player but the guy who impressed me most on that team was actually Beaulieu. If he becomes as dominant at the NHL level as he was in the Q, he’ll be a blue chipper.

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  43. rhino514 says:

    Price was GREAT. I wrote a post recently saying he was good but not great, that right now he was a top ten but not top five goalie.
    Well, I am thinking he is right around top five already.
    The habs last year i believe had the most negative penalty minutes against in the league (or very close to it). If you take away the goals scored against the team while on tke PK, many of which are simply unstoppable, I´m not sure which goalies out there are better 5 on 5.
    If Price gets just an average team in front of him we are going to be OK. I´m optimistic, especially mid and long term.

    The only other comment I would make is on The Kid. I really don´t see where having him learning LW on the job is going to help him develop his game, and it isn´t going to be the best thing for his line in general. Therrien mentioned that it´s too much to ask 18 year olds to start in the NHL at centre but I question the motivations behind this comment.
    If they are bent on keeping him, why doesn´t the team stick Desharnais on the wing; he has already developped as a player so no risk there. It takes away much of his defensive responsibilities, and he has such great vision maybe that maybe he can be productive from there. If not, no harm done.
    As tantalizing as it would be to fill up the glaring weakness at LW with the kid, I suspect he is better off playing centre, be it with the habs or, more likely, with Sarnia.
    I still say for a LW; we have enormous RW depth on the team and in the system, unfortunately no room for all of our solid RW prospects; so why not deal from this strength and fetch a LW?
    It´s clear they have to deal for a LW eventually, I hope the deal presents itself this season rather than next. Armstrong or Bourque on their off wings ain´t goin to be no stop gap I will say that much.

  44. Captain aHab says:

    Not sure if any of you saw the intermission interview with MB but it was interesting to see Alain Crête already begin to chip away at that high high pedestal they put MB on. He was feeding MB one of the quotes he made when he was hired about not rushing yung players to the NHL and it was clear that MB wasn’t overly joyed abut having to address that as it pertains to Galchenyuk. I think the pressure will be high to keep him with big club, especially if the club loses, regardless of the impact it has on te kid.

    —————-
    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

    • savethepuck says:

      MB only said, I’ve heard people say we brought him up too early, but I’ve never heard anyone say we brought him up too late. His reference meant not to rush a prospect but it had nothing to do with having that prospect play in the NHL if he was ready to play there. I am not a proponent of the, “we brought him up to early and ruined him” anyway. Who’s to say the guy brought up supposedly too early would of had a successful NHL career anyway. If a kid has the talent and mentality to excel and stick it out in the NHL, he is going to have a successful career. If he can’t handle any adversity, he most likely won’t have a successful career anyways. Look at all the top 3 picks in the draft over the last several years and you will see that most of them made the NHL right after the draft. 1 of the few that didn’t was Huberdeau, but he has a July birthday and was drafted as a 17 year old. Galchenyuk had the advantage of playing a half year of junior because of the lockout.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

      • Captain aHab says:

        Well I guess we’ll see what happens but I really hope they do what’s best for the kid because screwing him up would set us back big time.

        —————-
        Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  45. twilighthours says:

    Listen, I dont think dd can or should be any teams’s #1 centre, but what choice do the habs have? For the past 83 games (including last night, yes), he has been montreal’s best centre. So if we just trade him away, what’s the plan? I’m interested in hearing.

    • Captain aHab says:

      Sign PK to a 7M$ contract and turn him into a C?

      —————-
      Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

    • BJ says:

      Twilight I have watched Desharnais very carefully and you are right that on most teams he’s at best a #2. Having said that one thing he really needs to work on are faceoffs. Last year I monitored what time was lost on the PP when losing a faceoff. It costs between 25-35 seconds to reset, cycle and pass. And Desharnais is costing us big time on that. If I was the Habs I would hire Yannic Perreault to tutor him on that, that could then make Desharnais a solid 2nd line center.

  46. BK says:

    I think KABERLE and Markov are a huge waste of money. It seems to me that this team has 2 and a half 4th lines. I know its early but I can clearly see that Armstrong does not belong in the nhl. This team needs a big number one center if they will ever compete and need lose the players that clearly have no future long term roll. Alex Galchenyuk needs to play center in Sarnia.
    Moen Prust White is a great 4th line every thing else is up in the air
    Time for changes

    • Captain aHab says:

      Comment removed by poster.

      —————-
      Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

      • BK says:

        LOL let PK cry in Toronto for all I care. Galchenyuk will be the number one center when this team is ready to compete. Kaberle, Markov, Eller, Gionta , Armstrong and Renny can all leave. We dont need 3 of the exact same player on the team, and we definitely dont need dead weight that is useless game after game. I think Bourque might step it up and be good in a new system

        Time for changes

  47. downeast hab says:

    It is great to see hockey back and every team has to get the bugs out. Everyone cant win. But it seems that 90 percent of the posts are glad to see hockey back so they can get on here only to bitch and complain. I only want to read meaningful posts not BS. Like it or lump it. Glad hockey is back. Enjoy it. Cause your bitching wont change the game

  48. tippytoes says:

    I thought that Rene Bourque was the Canadiens best forward last night. He went to the net and played with some grit.

  49. Cal says:

    Gorges and Boullion were the chemical equivalent of oil and water. They can’t and shouldn’t mix.
    Markov with Emelin were fine.
    Gorges should have been with Kaberle and Cube with Diaz.

    Price played well, excepting that 1st goal, but he shouldn’t have stopped a couple that he did so that’s a wash.
    Cole was, to be blunt, terrible, and Patches was not that much better. When the line that gave the laffs the most trouble was Prust, Armstrong and White, well, something’s wrong. Very wrong.
    Eller’s line was pretty much invisible while Pleks’ wasn’t much better.
    Granted, it’s only the first game, but let’s ask a question. Where the hell was the intensity?

    http://calsnhllockout2012songparodies.weebly.com/

    • SlovakHab says:

      I actually don’t remember Prust, Armstrong and White generating any notable chances.

      • Cal says:

        They were in the laffs end every time they were on the ice. Other team can’t score when they’re bottled up in their end. One good chance for Armstrong on the backhand, but he didn’t get that puck under the crossbar like he wanted.
        My biggest concern was the invisible Eller line.

        http://calsnhllockout2012songparodies.weebly.com/

        • SlovakHab says:

          I guess a good forth line will get the puck into the attacking zone to set up your scoring line for an o-zone faceoff – so they did all right.
          What I didn’t like was constantly losing o-zone faceoffs. I don’t remember 1 good chance generated by cleanly won o-zone faceoff, followed by a nice pass and a cannon from the point.

          All of Eller, Plekanec and Desharnais did play during the lockout, so we can’t say they are rusty.
          I really thought these 3 are better than Bozak, Grabovski and Kadri, but sure didn’t look better than them last night!

          • Cal says:

            The Habs centers are AWFUL at face-offs and there’s no excuse for it. They are all weak at it and it should be stressed at practices.
            There’s no excuse for how poorly they played last night. An AHL team would have beaten them last night. Come to think of it, one did.

            http://calsnhllockout2012songparodies.weebly.com/

          • SlovakHab says:

            Scrivens in goal, Kostka in the first pairing and Kadri and Bozak with goals – you couldn’t be more accurate.
            I don’t want to think about how our Montreal Canadiens will look like against an NHL team.

  50. Captain aHab says:

    Not sure why people are surprised we lost…there was a ceremony before the game (pass the torch) and the Habs probably lose 98.3% of the games they play after a ceremony. My wife predicted it before the game. This team needs to stop living in its glorious past.

    At game time, put the goddamn puck on the goddamn ice and let’s go. I don’t want to see another ceremony until it involves raising a Cup pennant to the rafters.

    That being said, if people think PK alone would have been enough last night, you weren’t watching the same game I was. We had no forecheck for the first two periods. One of the talking heads mentioned it would take a while to get rid of all the bad habits….hopefully, the light goes on sooner rather than later. If we playthis bad for the first 5 games, then I say send Gally back to Sarnia so he’s not exposed to the suck.

    —————-
    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

    • H.Upmann says:

      I fully agree with you. The Leafs came out and you knew their minds were ready. These ceremonies don’t help to foster the warrior attitude the team needs to win.

  51. geo_habsgo says:

    What annoyed me about the D last night, and I’m looking at you Markov and Kaberle, is how terrible they were at holding the line once in the offensive zone. How many times did we lose the setup offensively because the D failed to catch the puck along the boards. It was ridiculous. If they were able to police the blue line more effectively we might have been able to cycle the puck more and generate more offensive pressure. The defense was absolutely putrid last night :S

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …We also should give the Weeds their due …Carlyle has even made Komo look like an effective D-man out there …the Weeds’ D as a whole were disciplined and played with intelligent coordination and pressure to keep away Our forwards from their net

      …We were both outplayed and out-coached last night

      • geo_habsgo says:

        I agree, the Laffs played a smart game yesterday and our team didn’t rise to the challenge. The leafs actually looked more prepared for this game than we did.
        It seemd like we had a very quiet bench yesterday. Obviously, we don’t know for sure, but it didn’t look like we were making many adjustments until the final seven seconds of the game.

      • savethepuck says:

        Very brave of you to compliment anything regarding the Laffs in enemy territory here. I was born in 65, my father ( RIP) in 35. He grew up in the rivalries of the Laffs and Habs in the 40’s, 50’s and early 60’s when the Laffs actually were competing with the Habs. I was brought up to hate the Laffs because of him. I grew to hate the Bruins all on my own, but that’s a different story. He was OK with his daughter marrying a Laffs fan, but the fact his grandchildren listened to their father instead of their mother was a little too much for him to bear. I know you are not a kid on here, so I’m sure you are more than familiar with the rivalry.

        “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
        Carey Price

        • Habitant in Surrey says:

          …born in ’47 …have loathed everything from and about Toronto, including da Weeds, from the day I was born …but age, ultimately, also gives One a more mature perspective to recognize things as they are …unfortunately :)

          .

          • savethepuck says:

            I still can’t find it in my heart to give them any props when they beat us. I prefer to make excuses if not for anything but my own sanity. I still have in-laws, nieces, and nephews to deal with after a night like last night.

            “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”

            Carey Price

    • SlovakHab says:

      I remember Diaz fanning on the puck on the blue line twice, and I think both were on a powerplay.
      I actually thought Markov was very good. Controlled the play and dished some good passes.
      Many of our players didn’t play for the whole 9 months so chemistry wasn’t there, was it.

      • savethepuck says:

        Glad to see someone else who actually thought Markov was one of the better Habs tonight.

        “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
        Carey Price

        • lyndo62 says:

          Markov was one of the better habs. Kabs was good old kabs. Chemistry was an issue definitely. And to those Tanker out there remember under the new cba all teams that do not make the playoffs get a crack at the 1st pick.

          “Things that hurt, instruct.”

          ~Benjamin Franklin~

      • New says:

        You’re right. The Leafs designed their PK on keeping the puck away from Markov and when the Habs switched sides with him the Leafs switched exits. Smart coach.

    • coutNY says:

      IMO Markov and Kaberle should not be on the same pp unit. Markov ‘s sucessful as a power play qb, to some extent so was Kaberle. Markov always had success with someone that has a good shot from the point, Kaberle is not a shooter. I think separating Kaberle to the 2nd unit moving Diaz to 1st would be a better pairing at least until PK situation is figured out. Having Kaberle and Markov seemed like they had 2the QBs running 2the different offenses on the two minute drill. They are stealing each others time for running plays disrupting the flow. On paper it sounds good to pair the two because of the right and left hand match up and their past success, it looked bad last night.

  52. SlovakHab says:

    All I want in June is Alexander Barkov or a similar talent.
    Seeing an 18-year old Galchenyuk playing all right, I think we could do with another player like that.

  53. habs001 says:

    Many posters are frustrated with last nights game because it looked so similiar to many games last year…The d not great but gave up only 2 goals and on the pp…The forwards generated so few scoring chances that on most nights it will only produce 0 to 2 goals…Last season if the DD line did not produce it usually ended in 2-1 type games…The pp was disorganized and brutal….

    • The Cat says:

      Its because PK isnt there, they know Kaberle wont shoot so….What can Kaberle do that Markov and Diaz cant do? Why was Kaberle kept instead of Gomez? Gomez could at least do what few others on the habs couldnt do ie gain the offensive zone with the puck. No other forward on the habs is as good as Gomez was in that respect. The habs 3rd line will be good, the 1st line will find its way, but itll be another Plekanec line with an identity crisis again this year.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • savethepuck says:

      I was seeing only a 6 day camp and the Habs lost the special teams battle. The game was even 5 on 5, but the team lost the special teams battle. We have a lot of new faces on the PP and PK. Habs have been very strong in both of these in recent memory, except last year when the PP sucked, but the PK was still good. Obviously 5 on 5 scoring needs to be addressed, but our usual strength of special teams needs to be one of MT’s first priorities. Not pointing fingers, but seemed like our 1st PK unit appeared to be Prust and Armstrong, and neither of them were with us last year. Maybe a normal 3 week camp would of given us some good special teams.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  54. The Cat says:

    Im not juggling salary cap numbers by any means here, and it aint a reaction to last night’s stinker- No need to panic, it might take a couple of games to find the legs etc- But in my opinion, Gomez was a lot more useful than Kaberle was. Gomez is grossly overpaid but he was at least responsible for the occasional foray into enemy territory. How many scoring chances did the habs have last night? One or two?

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Phil C says:

      If you look at next year’s cap situation, the Habs had to get rid of Gomez’s contract. It was about next year, not this year.

      There is still a chance they can trade Kaberle, which is a much better option than a compliance buyout.

  55. homerbowen says:

    Disappointing start……..just can’t put the puck in the net….now where have we heard that before (ahhh last 10 years maybe!!)

  56. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …it will be interesting to see if Our Habs will turn this performance around …but, definitely We are in building-mode

    …unrealistic to say otherwise

    …love Desharnais’ story, but a 5′ 5″ centre like DD may be a hypothetical inspirational and complimentary piece to any team on the second line, but He will never lead Us or any team to an elite-level playing on the first line …at least as it’s centre

    …Our defense also looked very rag-tag without PK …and, again, PK is a uniquely talented and personable Player I want on Our team, dependent that His ego has not out-grown His value to the Team

    …MB has not only an obligation to satisfying PK and Our Fan-base, but also an obligation under next season’s $ 64 million salary-cap to not become hamstrung by future contracts that have a chance to be Gomer-redux

    …after these tortuous few years counting the seconds to rid Ourselves the burden of Gomez, wouldn’t it kill Us IF, once PK gets His $ 6 million 5 to 6 years (if rumors are accurate) and His play goes south, or His style of play results in injuries that forces Him to retrogress ?

    …PK is Our number One defenseman on a pretty mediocre D

    …We have lost very good Players in the past by indifference and pique …yet, mostly in give-away trades

    …this is a unique situation where I believe PK has to show His commitment to the Montreal Canadiens, as much as Our Habs should show same for PK

    …yet, I hope Bergevin does not get panicked listening to Fans thinking short-term, and hangs-tough with Meehan and PK until a mutually satisfactory deal is made

    …I think, at this stage of PK’s career the money should not exceed $ 5 to $ 5.5 million …and, if PK is smart, sign for 2 years as a bridge, giving Him the chance to hit the jackpot if He achieves His significant full potential at that time

    …but, this season We are no one’s potential choice for a Stanley Cup contender, unless Your eyeglass lenses are rose-colored

    …don’t be Chicken Littles,…let MB have some air to work this out

    …and, IF push comes to shove, a trade for Huberdeau or 2, 3 or 4 extra first round draft-picks will be long-term Novocaine to deaden Our pain

    • savethepuck says:

      Not everyone has reserved themselves to the fact that this team is in rebuilding mode.
      The line of DD, Cole, and MaxP was far from great tonight, but an advantage is that other teams will continue to think they are our top line and continue to put their best checking line against them, allowing our 2nd line to possibly have the opportunity to step up. I agree that our top line tonight was far from our best tonight, but also think it was because Cole and MaxP were the weak like links tonight not DD. Even though I may agree that I don’t see DD as our future #1 center.
      Re: PK, how does anyone know it is his or MB’s fault if it is only speculation what either side is offering. Neither side has confirmed what is being offered by the other. Only speculation IMO as to what’s being offered. I also think the agent PK hired, Meehan, may be responsible for some of what is happening. I do agree that if PK signs a bridge contract that doesn’t hurt the Habs for next year’s salary cap, which drops almost 7 mil from this year, he will profit greatly for it in the 2014-15 season. But I’m not his agent, who is a guy that is probably telling him ” but what happens if you have a freak career ending injury”.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        …I’m just saying, Dale, that I hope Marc Bergevin is not panicked by the fans

        …I read a quote of PK following the end of the lock-out, that He intended to meet with Meehan to give him clear direction what He (PK) wanted Meehan to represent to Bergevin

        …in other words, it’s PK ‘telling’ Meehan what to do, not the other-way way around

        • savethepuck says:

          You may obviously be correct but I’m not sure who is at fault here, and to be truthful, I honestly don’t care, I just really want both sides to come to an amicable solution that would ultimately be to the advantage of nearly all Habs fans and PK and the organization. I was honestly unaware of the quote you are referring to, I am basing my response on the fact that as far as I know, neither side is divulging any info re #’s or term in their negotiations. It may be a case of me not buying into Internet conjecture because you always hear rumors about things like this. Even Healey on HNIC tonight was talking as if it was fact that the Habs were offering PK under 3 mil a year for 2 years, and that has never been confirmed by a reputable source. I usually live by a rule that unless I see a confirmed tweet by MacKenzie or Dreher, I don’t believe much of anything I read on the Internet re hockey news. I still listen to opinions, but I need confirmation until I will get involved in a conversation that may or may not be a rumour. Trust me, my intent was not to argue with or offend you.
          “They don’t hang Conference Champions
          hip Banners from the rafters here”
          Carey Price

        • habstrinifan says:

          Yes there was a quote of P.K re meeting with Meehan. But you misquoted or at the very least misrepresented what he said. P.K did say that he and Meehan were meeting to make sure that’both’ were clear on the details etc. Meehan had been keeping him in touch on on an ‘as need basis’ but prior to a meeting with Bergevin he (P.K) and Meehan would be meeting to ensure that all the details of what they were seeking were fully laid out.
          You may be right in ‘ASSUMING’ that P.K is driving the ‘higher’ demands but you absolutely put your own spin on the quote.
          You can put your own spin on what your impression of the tone and words were but, I dont think, it’s fair reporting to change his words.

  57. Habitant in Surrey says:

    a Timo inspired experiment: & trade ;

    … ™

    …well shiver Me timbers …it worked !!!

    …Tanks ™ Timo :)

  58. savethepuck says:

    Usually we have video interviews from at least 4 or 5 Habs after a game. Did Gio have to fall on the sword tonight, and he was the only one allowed to talk to the media after a disappointing loss?

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

  59. J Haul says:

    The team that showed up tonight seemed to be identical to the horrible one we were forced to watch last year. No one could hit the net, no one crashed the net and we only got a bit of intensity when it was too late. Ugh…

  60. Timo says:

    You folks think this is bad – wait until Gomer start scoring :)

    • The Dude says:

      That won’t happen even if he roomy’s with Lance Armstrong .

    • savethepuck says:

      Wish him the best. It’s not like he woke up one morning and said ” I hate Habs fans, I think I am going to suck the next couple of years to piss them off and ruin my career in the process. He’s definitely worth 700 K to many teams, even if he’s a bust, send him to the minors and it doesn’t even affect the CAP. Because teams now have a 900 K cushion in the new CBA. Am I happy about how he played for the Habs the last few seasons, heck no. Do I hold any animosity towards him for his performance the last 2 years, again no, $#it happens.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

      • Timo says:

        Who said anything about animosity? I practically worship Gomer and want to emulate him in any way possible. Especially his income.

        • savethepuck says:

          You forgot the sarcasm font again. That should be a tademark for you, sorry I’m not techy enough to do the little tm that others on here have figured out. Do you know how to do that?

          “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
          Carey Price

          • Timo says:

            & trade ;

            Just remove spaces between characters above

          • savethepuck says:

            But you didn’t explain to this techy illiterate how to do the tm, just showing it is showing off IMO.

            “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
            Carey Price

          • savethepuck says:

            You edited and made my comment look ridiculous

            “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
            Carey Price

        • SlovakHab says:

          I pretty much guarantee that people like you have no chance to be wealthy.
          Gomez aside, what exactly is it that you do to have any sort of success? Like attracts like: You focus on the negatives pretty much everywhere, based on your posts. I will eat my hat if you will ever be wealthy.

          • Clay says:

            Opinions are like ass holes. There’s no need to act like one when you encounter one that differs from yours. Just saying.

            __________________________
            ☞ The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool. ~ Richard Feynman ☜

          • SlovakHab says:

            Clay, what you wrote makes no sense at all. A person cannot act as an opinion. Think about it – the whole comparison doesn’t work.

            Now, as for you saying that I act like an a$$ hole by telling Timo that he cannot get wealthy when he is constantly negative or sarcastic and ridiculing players he doesn’t like: That’s your opinion. I don’t think I was an a$$ hole by pointing that out.

            What I said is a law that I learned in my life. I didn’t exchange opinions with Timo and didn’t argue with him. I just wrote that if you are constantly whinging, negative, sarcastic and focusing on ways how you can put others down, you will not attract any sort of success or wealth. Timo always says that he wants to make lots of cash, so I said that I will eat my hat if this kind of personality will ever be wealthy, making as much money as Gomez. It does not happen.

  61. F50Marco says:

    Jagr, Selanne, St Louis, Hossa, Kovalev……Top 5 scorers in the league?? Wait what year is it again?

    • Timo says:

      A year that Habs are going to get the first overall pick.

      • Habilis says:

        You mean second overall pick. You know that even after finishing last, we’d lose the lottery. To Edmonton.

        • Timo says:

          So we’ll be getting either McKinnon or Jones. Not bad.

          By the time either is ready to hit the big club hopefully both Therrien and Bergevin will be gone.

          • Habilis says:

            True enough.

            I think you might be right about Therrien, but I also think that MB has a pretty long leash. Like 4 or 5 years long.

          • Timo says:

            Bergevin will probably be allowed another rebuild – once this one gloriously goes down in flames.

          • Good Habit says:

            You guys just love to be negative. Hating on everyone. Therrien and Bergevin have one game under their belts and it’s already time for them to go. That being said, we will likely have a fairly high pick in the draft this summer, but that’s not due to the two names I mentioned above.

        • savethepuck says:

          Actually nobody is sure how the new draft lottery is going to work, according to the new CBA, it may be possible for a team to finish 30th overall and only get the 14th pick for all we know.

          “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
          Carey Price

          • Habilis says:

            I don’t know for sure, no. But IMO, there’s no way that they’d turn it into a true lottery like that. That would create a situation where an honestly bad team could get stuck drafting in the teens for 3 straight years simply because they are unlucky. No way they allow that possibility.

            I’m pretty sure that the new system will be the same as the old, except whichever team wins will go straight to 1st instead of just gaining a maximum of 5 spots.

          • savethepuck says:

            But nobody knows and I haven’t seen any news saying what is really going to happen. I think it should be called the Oilers rule, 3 #1’s overall in a row is absolutely ridiculous IMO. I think it’s possible that all 14 teams go into a drawing with the ball system and doubt it will be just 1 team that can move up 5 spots, I think it may be an equally balanced draw for the 14 teams based on # of balls in the basket.

            “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
            Carey Price

          • lyndo62 says:

            BINGO!!!!!!

            But Wait we should Tank for that first rounder……

            “Things that hurt, instruct.”

            ~Benjamin Franklin~

  62. deuce6 says:

    As much as I want PK out there, I don’t want him out there making a cap crippling contract…Without him, we are a lottery team sitting in 13th-15th..With him, we are a borderline playoff team…What real incentive do we have in giving the guy an insane amount of money? Don’t get me wrong, I am not on the tank wagon..I want to see this team make a playoff push, but by letting PK sit, we will be better in the long run…

    By demanding a huge contract, he is pretty much hanging his teammates out to dry…

    ——————

    Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

  63. HardHabits says:

    You keep saying the Habs are just unlucky.
    That they’re trying hard, and need to press.

    Always regressin’ when they should be progressin’
    Yet others beat them and they’re still the best.

    These Habs were made for Tanking™ and that’s just what they’ll do
    one of these days these Habs are gonna drop and gonna lose.

    You keep passin’ when you oughta be shootin’
    the puck you’re losin’ when you drive the net.

    You keep playin’ when the lines should be changin’.
    When there’s a fight, you’re on the losing bet.

    These Habs were made for Tanking™ and that’s just what they’ll do
    one of these days these Habs are gonna drop and gonna lose.

    You keep kneelin’ where you shouldn’t be kneelin’
    and you keep slinkin’ the puck goes high you get burnt.

    The team just got another new gang of young draft picks
    And pretty soon the kids will start to learn.

    These Habs were made for Tanking™ and that’s just what they’ll do
    one of these days these Habs are gonna drop and gonna lose.

    Are you ready troops? Keep Tankin™!

  64. Timo says:

    Nice… Jessica Rusnak.

  65. HabinBurlington says:

    It may have been cheaper for me to watch that game at the Bell Center.

    Best part of game for me was Markov getting up after every hit he took.

    MB is holding off suited deuce and nine
    Meehan is now holding pocket tens.

    Will be interesting what kind of flop we get on Monday. Hope MB tipped the dealer earlier.

  66. Timo says:

    Good game… lots of positives. Once the gelling is complete this team will be unstoppable.

    Did anyone else think that JM was still coaching this team?

    There were 3 players who were not brutal tonight – Price, Prust and Emelin (Galchenyuk I did not evaluate, but he didn’t screwup so I suppose that’s ok). The rest sucked they way the sucked last year. And just so that no one has any illusion, this is what you are going to see all (thankfully shortened) season.

    Plekanec, Gionta (despite scoring), Eller, Bourque, White, Armstrong, Cole, Pacciorety, Deharnais did jack sh!t all game.

    Cole looked true to his word – he was not interested in playing. I said it after last season that this line will NOT be as good as last season. More focus on them and they are easy to shut down.

    Perimeter play all game long, one man up, 4 sitting back…

    Kaberle deserve special mention but what is Therrien going to do – replace him with Weber? Of course Habs don’t need PK, they will do just find tanking without him.

    Anyhoo… hope you all enjoyed this as much as I did. I think, if still available, i will buy a membership in the Tank club.

    • jols101 says:

      Wow, this is by far the longest post I have ever seen from you.

      • Timo says:

        … and it’s also all true too :)

        • savethepuck says:

          Not a surprise to you that I’m going to say this Timothy, but I thought Markov was one of the best Habs on the ice tonight. A lot of people I was messaging with ( not on this Site ) during the game agreed with me. Don’t know why he’s always lumped into a group that supposedly played bad when he didn’t. The negative perception of him being fragile and over the hill is rearing it’s ugly head again. I think the guy had to get 3 or 4 points tonight for people to think otherwise.

          “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
          Carey Price

          • savethepuck says:

            Found it hilarious that spellcheck changed Timo to Timothy, so I didn’t bother to change it.

            “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
            Carey Price

          • Timo says:

            Timothy… LOL!

    • vegas says:

      I was at game, I’ll add Bourque was OK
      what seemed the most obvious was the over use of the DD line especially during the powerplays. They just weren’t gelling tonight
      I hope DD will be as good as last season, but man he looks like a kid amongst men . Cole didn’t have a great game

      • savethepuck says:

        Maybe it wasn’t so much DD as his linemates tonight, neither of them had a good game. Not saying I thought DD had a great game either Btw.
        “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
        Carey Price

    • Cal says:

      Sorry, Timo. White played fine. Where was Eller or did you not notice him either?

      http://calsnhllockout2012songparodies.weebly.com/

  67. Haboone says:

    Glad to be in the company of fellow Habs fans! First post from Arrow Creek B.C. Be easy on me please.

    Added HD package to satellite on Wednesday resulting in loss of RDS and I was forced to listent to english broadcast…

    It sounded worse than it looked.

    But not by much I am sorry to say.

    Hope to post something positive in the near future.

    Cheers to all and remember we are only two points out of a playoff spot…….

  68. Leviathan says:

    It’s going to be funny watching the hordes of people bash the Habs after that one. I for one am going to file that away as a “pre-season” game. I don’t think any of us actually expect to compete for the Cup this year anyways so let’s give them a few more games to get their timing and legs back. If we make the playoffs, great, if not, we’ll have a shot at 1st overall.

    And please God do not trade Subban. If we do we’ll spend the next 5 years trying to draft someone who will turn in to what he already is.

    For the record…I think we finish close to the 8th spot (and maybe make it in).

    • savethepuck says:

      Agree with everything and hoping for better than 8th. If it doesn’t happen I’ll tell myself it was only a shortened meaningless season just to make myself feel better. I’ll be kidding myself of course because every season is important to me, but 1 game does not make a season for sure. Way too many important players tonight didn’t seem to be in game shape to me. As a die hard fan, I’m obviously disappointed but I’m not losing any sleep over this game.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • Cal says:

      IF the Habs can get good value for PK, why not? Right now he’s about as valuable as a bar stool. He’s just sitting there gathering dust.

      http://calsnhllockout2012songparodies.weebly.com/

      • Leviathan says:

        Because I think as soon as they trade Subban, the Habs will spend the next five years trying to draft someone like him. I’m all for trades if they help out but they will just need to find another guy exactly like him…and you aren’t getting a Subban type player back by trading Subban.

  69. Mothstoflame says:

    screw hockey, habs lost, didnt play, fire coach, sign PK, need a french coach x2, trade price for halak, should have kept Wisnewski over Markov, Eller needs to be 2nd line, and Go Habs Go!!!!

  70. Sunil says:

    After tonights stats it would have been in our best interest to pursue Jagr and Kovalev for the second line lol (they probs wont keep up this pace though but still)

  71. Dulljerk says:

    Trade Subban, and look for the future. You can’t just beef up a 4th line and expect results when there is no 1, 2, 3 line.

    No eternal reward will forgive us for wasting the dawn.

  72. Frank2468 says:

    Lets start a poll now why wait. When does M.B fire M.T?

    A) 2 weeks

    B) 4 weeks

    C) 5 weeks

    D) Now

  73. Frank2468 says:

    May look like they are just shuffling the chairs around on the deck of the Titanic lol

  74. Trisomy 21 says:

    Hopefully this game wasn’t an indication of how they will play this year.

    Otherwise they looked like they haven’t missed a step from last season.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Against the Leafs last season, they looked a lot better than tonight. Rusty game for both teams. It’ll be interesting to see how much both teams can improve as the season progresses.

      Despite appearing pretty dominant, I think the Leafs would have gotten eaten alive by a tougher team. It’s not like either team scored on ES.

  75. Frank2468 says:

    And why should anything be different this time around? Really

    • citizenSanto says:

      In other words …
      This ain’t their FIRST rodeo?
      ;)
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      Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are. — Augustine of Hippo

    • Timo says:

      Well… same stiffs who are supposed to be scoring, aren’t. So nothing really.

  76. deuce6 says:

    If he wants the moon then he sits until he is an UFA or he gets offer sheeted for an insane amount of money and we get premium draft picks…He has no leverage to ask for such a lucrative deal..He has to get his head out of his ass and get on the ice with his teammates..

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    Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

  77. Good Habit says:

    I say let him sit. I like Subban, but that may change. After the lockout, I am so sick of rich baby’s whining. Get on the ice and play the game! I could care less if he signs. If Deuce6’s theory is right, then we should have a top 5 pick without him. Jones, Mackinnon, Drouin, Barkov, Monahan, Nichushkin, etc. Take your pick.

  78. Timo says:

    The thing is, Subban making a moon would be a lot more worth it that guys like Plekanec, Pacs, Gionta, Kaberle etc playing for ridiculous amoutns of money and producing zilch. It’s not like he is the only guy that wants stupid amount of money.

  79. Habilis says:

    I agree with Timo. PK is worth more right now than everyone else on D, except Markov. Why shouldn’t het get paid?

    He can’t just sit out the year. While it would hurt him, it actually hurts the Habs just as much. PK is an asset to them, if he sits all year, his value drops. That’s not good for anyone.

  80. savethepuck says:

    Unfortunately, since MB or Meehan are not giving details on what is really being offered by either side, any opinions on the negotiations are merely speculation by us all. I hope PK is being reasonable, but believe he’s possibly following his agent’s lead on this negotiation, and that’s unfortunately what he pays him for. Like the lockout, the business aspect of the NHL is rearing it’s ugly head again to us Habs fans. It sucks but.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

  81. Timo says:

    I think it is also not unreasonable to assume that Meehan know business of hockey better than Bergevin. Meehan will get Subban his worth with or without Habs. Like you said, it is business. And since Subban is not starving, he is probably ok sitting out a season for the sake of few extra millions.

  82. deuce6 says:

    He isn’t worth a lucrative deal…Yet…Price and Pacioretty got a bridge deals and PK should follow suit…Who is more valuable to this team than Price???

    Bergevin would be paying for potential instead of accomplishment..Sure, he had 2 solid years for a player so young, but he is in no position to ask for such a big contract..There is a big difference between a RFA and an UFA..

    Like I said, if money is so important to him this early in his career, than let him sit…3-4M is a reasonable contract…He is asking for 6M on a long term..Ridiculous..

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    Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

  83. twilighthours says:

    It was pretty bad

  84. The Cat says:

    Of course youre right, its only one game. Im sure many teams will have stinkers in their first few games, its to be expected. But you know people pay good money. I missed the 1st period but from what I saw, I only saw Bouillon that looked like he cared. Hes 37. It seems like only the players that are considered afterthoughts on the habs play with their hearts.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  85. Captain aHab says:

    Not really bitching…the kid is playing well. But shuldn’t he be playing C, where we have had a gaping need for so many years, instead of on the wing? I really hope they move him to C to learn the position at the NHL level or send him back down to perfect himself even more.

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    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  86. Captain aHab says:

    And that is silly too.

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    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  87. geo_habsgo says:

    I would take out White or Armstrong and insert Blunden. For now, the Bulldogs players are in game shape and the team should use that slight advantage. I like the third line if they could have some jump to them.

  88. Cal says:

    How is this handle getting by the mods? Profanity rules, anyone?

  89. Marc10 says:

    I like that third line. Who knows… It might even light that proverbial fire under Eller.

    I wish we had a solution for our D, but it is so painfully weak the only solution is sitting in Toronto waiting for a contract. No matter what we do, until Tinordi and Beaulieu come of age (or we draft a Seth Jones type), we’ll be in a world of hurt.

    Still… Maybe a spark from an energetic kid line could lift the team until PK returns to the fold. Good idea. Here’s hoping MT follows HIO:)

  90. HabFab says:

    Has been a member for almost a year too ;)

  91. HabinBurlington says:

    Noticed the same thing.

  92. boing007 says:

    Chucky? Blecch! What a yucky name.

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  93. Habfan10912 says:

    Or he had a bad reaction to the salt peter?

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  94. twilighthours says:

    You were reading eyes on the prize, weren’t you….?

  95. HabFanSince72 says:

    Obviously in the long run you don’t want him playing top D minutes, but he did OK last night. Better than Gorges or Kaberle for example. Markov though still one of the most elegant players out there, looks uncomfortable skating. So who else are you going to play?


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  96. twilighthours says:

    Ad nauseum

  97. twilighthours says:

    To be honest I only check in there once a month or so, and it’s so obnoxious I leave after a few minutes. But the complaints weren’t that he was good or bad, just that he played 22 minutes. Classic eyes on the prize.

  98. HabFab says:

    Comments from Robert Rice and Berkie…

  99. HabinBurlington says:

    I actually think in the right role for no big bucks and no pressure he can help a team. Heck he could have helped our powerplay last night.

    The contract killed him, along with the fact I think his Groin injury is chronic now. 10 games into season and he is back on injured reserve.

  100. HabinBurlington says:

    ENjoy, very jealous bud.

  101. HabinBurlington says:

    I heard he stole the game. :)

  102. christophor says:

    Third star.

    14 shots against.

    How does he do it?

  103. HabinBurlington says:

    I am not sure we score any more goals with 2 good goalies instead of currently having just 1 good goalie.

  104. Habfan10912 says:

    Shiloh, it looked like the same crap we saw last season. Can’t get the puck out iof our own end, we generate no speed through the neutral zone, and can’t find any open space on offence. Blaming the coach or system at this time doesn’t make sence to me. We just don’t have enough good Our players to compete in this league. Until a whole bunch of new players arrive, we will see more of what we saw last year.

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  105. frontenac1 says:

    Pretty hard to break out of the zone when you have 4 players collapsing around Price. Because we have small and soft D , The forwards have to help out to clear the crease, same as last year. The cube helps but when he is not on the ice ,It is Clusterf#ck time again Amigos.

  106. mrhabby says:

    Damn those birds.

  107. solomio says:

    OMG blaming the refs has started already. Shame.

    “I figure Bergevin has 3 or 4 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein


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